No Du Preez, Brussow for Boks
3 Jun 2012
Fourie du Preez and Heinrich Brussow were the big omissions from the 32-man Springbok squad to face England in the June Test series.
It was believed that Japan-based scrumhalf Du Preez was informally offered the team captaincy last week from head coach Heyneke Meyer. However, it seems as if the player has made himself unavailable for selection as he’s been left out of the squad. Eighthman Pierre Spies and centre Jean de Villiers should be front-runners for the captaincy.
Cheetahs openside flank Brussow is also a major omission from Meyer’s first official Test squad. His high penalty count this year is a probable reason for his exclusion. Stormers duo Juan de Jongh and Gio Aplon can count themselves unlucky as they were overlooked.
Stormers flank Siya Kolisi was not picked. However, he and six other young players – flank Arno Botha (Bulls), prop Frans Malherbe (Stormers), flank CJ Stander (Bulls), centre Francois Venter (Bulls) and scrumhalf Piet van Zyl (Cheetahs) – will train with the Boks during the series. This will allow these players to gain experience in the Test set-up, but they won’t be eligible for selection.
There are nine uncapped players in the squad – flank Marcell Coetzee, wing JJ Engelbrecht, lock Eben Etzebeth, flyhalf Elton Jantjies, lock Juandré Kruger, prop Coenie Oosthuizen, flank Jacques Potgieter, lock Franco van der Merwe and scrumhalf Jano Vermaak.
There are 15 survivours from of the 2011 Bok World Cup squad. Wing Bryan Hanbana is the most experienced player with 74 Test caps.
‘We were always looking to start the season with an experienced squad to face England, but injuries to certain players and the non-availability of others have made it difficult,’ said Meyer.
‘What we’ve lost in experience, we’ve made up in passion and desire to play for the Springboks. We have put together a squad with a nice balance between a number of veterans and players with less experience as we start to build for the rest of the season.
‘Working with these players during our four planning camps this season has been great and really made a very difficult selection process a bit easier. There were a few unlucky players that didn’t make it and they will get opportunities in future as long as they keep on knocking on the door.
‘The nine uncapped players have all put up their hands during Super Rugby this year and we know they have what it takes to succeed at the highest level,’ he continued. ‘We realise that it is impossible to please everyone when it comes to selecting squads like these, but we would really like to see the entire country stand behind us as we take on England.’
Springbok 32-man squad for June Test series:
Backs – Bjorn Basson, Jean de Villiers, JJ Engelbrecht, Bryan Habana, Francois Hougaard, Elton Jantjies, Zane Kirchner, Patrick Lambie, Lwazi Mvovo, Wynand Olivier, Ruan Pienaar, JP Pietersen, Frans Steyn, Morne Steyn, Jano Vermaak.
Forwards – Willem Alberts, Marcell Coetzee, Keegan Daniel, Bismarck du Plessis, Jannie du Plessis, Eben Etzebeth, Ryan Kankowski, Juandre Kruger, Werner Kruger, Beast Mtawarira, Coenie Oosthuizen, Jacques Potgieter, Chiliboy Ralepelle, Pierre Spies, Adriaan Strauss, Flip van der Merwe, Franco van der Merwe.
1,463 Comments
2 Jun 2012, 21:26 pm
Dragon Boks
2 Jun 2012, 21:29 pm
No Gio or Juan…
I can’t believe it…!!
2 Jun 2012, 21:31 pm
If Snor picked that squad we would have wanted him shot. Some shockers in there. Meisiekind and Sideshow Bob.
2 Jun 2012, 21:31 pm
@ufo
I would switch Wynand for either Juan or Gio any day of the week.
2 Jun 2012, 21:32 pm
Wynand, Kanko and Zane have showed they cannot step up at international level.
Gaan intresant wees.. maar die squad lyk tos.
2 Jun 2012, 21:32 pm
Juan De Jongh and Siya Kolisi not picked is criminal.Vermaak and JJ are in the team, thats nuts, the Cheetah scrum is better.
Only 3 Stormers in the team is a joke
2 Jun 2012, 21:33 pm
Ag nee – maak al die bulle bokke ekse
2 Jun 2012, 21:34 pm
Captain?
2 Jun 2012, 21:35 pm
ABSOLUTE FARCE.
HM has done exactly as expected and picked the bulk of a mediocre Bulls team, leaving out the likes of Aplon, Brussouw, Kolisi and De Jongh, but picked abolutely useless players like Spies, Olivier etc?
Ridiculous. An absolute slap in the face and clear indication that Meyer is as pathetic as they come.
2 Jun 2012, 21:36 pm
Slow @ 4
Quite a few I’d swap for both of them…!!
Gio for Zane
Juan for Wynand…
2 Jun 2012, 21:36 pm
The following appeared on News 24
Furthermore, six promising players have been added to the Springbok squad for the next three weeks. They are not eligible for selection but will train with the squad in Durban, Johannesburg and Port Elizabeth.
The six upcoming players that will join the Bok squad are Siya Kolisi (flank), Arno Botha (No 8), Frans Malherbe (prop), CJ Stander (loose forward), Francois Venter (centre) and Piet van Zyl (scrumhalf).
Meyer said: “We feel that these players have what it takes to play for the Springboks and they were close to selection in the final squad. However, these three weeks provide the ideal opportunity to work with them, show them what the Springbok culture is all about and hopefully put them on the right track to play for South Africa sooner rather than later. By doing this now, we will reap the dividends going forward.
“We also rate a number of great players in the South African Under-20 squad, but they were not considered at this stage due to the fact that they are playing in a very important Junior World Championship.”
2 Jun 2012, 21:37 pm
Juan De Jongh and Siya Kolisi and Josh Strauss not picked is criminal.Vermaak and JJ and Kankowski are in the team, thats nuts, the Cheetah scrum is better.
Only 3 Stormers in the team is a joke
2 Jun 2012, 21:39 pm
Wow!
Very unexpected squad.
2 Jun 2012, 21:40 pm
Agree with all the comments, Heyneke is showing his true approach which is Bulls based. There’s now way Olivier, Zane, JJ and Vermaak deserve to be in that squad.
For a coach with some supposed experience he is coming across as very limited in his thinking …
2 Jun 2012, 21:41 pm
1. Beast 2. Bismark 3. Cillier 4. Etsebeth 5. Kruger 6. Brussow 7. Alberts 8. Etsebeth 9. Hougaard 10. Morne 11. Habana/jdv 12. Frans 13. Jdj 14. Jp 15. Aplon
Fourie ahead of chilli and def ahead of strauss
2 Jun 2012, 21:41 pm
‘ I would; you would’. Fact is we are not the Bok coach last I saw. This is the team he backs. Brussouw has been average of late; DeJongh is too small. Kolisi’s time will come.
But Piere Spies? Can think of 3 number 8′s in SA better than him.
I bet he will be the hoofseun.
I am beginning to get worried.
2 Jun 2012, 21:42 pm
@ossewa(ossewa)-8: Spies, obviously …
2 Jun 2012, 21:42 pm
This sucks why no brussow!!! Also captain? and must agree why only three stormers?
2 Jun 2012, 21:42 pm
@ Sir Watson
You could not have put it better than that. Imagine NZ taking us on now…
2 Jun 2012, 21:43 pm
No Brussow? Is he injured?
2 Jun 2012, 21:44 pm
SHARKS(11)
BULLS(13)
STORMERS(3)
LIONS(2)
CHEETAHS(2)
OVERSEAS(1)
Well Heyneke, that is certainly how you get support in the Cape buddy.
2 Jun 2012, 21:47 pm
Usefull GREYBEARD.
7 Flanks; Potgieter; Alberts.
6 Flanks; Coetzee; Daniel;
No 8; SPiES??????????? KANKowski?????????????????
Meyer likes fast , kak no 8′s it would seem.
2 Jun 2012, 21:48 pm
@greybeard(greybeard)-21: its a farce … and I’m a Bulls supporter …
2 Jun 2012, 21:48 pm
Stormers team will definitely take the comp with such a long rest. Thanks HM for being a dumbass
2 Jun 2012, 21:48 pm
@greybeard(greybeard)-11:
Who cares about HM taking out insurance policy so he doesn’t come across as a selectors Aarsehole,
2 Jun 2012, 21:49 pm
Correct formula is Bulls + Stormers + Sharks + Cheetahs + Lions = Boks
But its clear now that the bias formula used is Bulls – Stormers + Sharks – Cheetahs – Lion = Boks
2 Jun 2012, 21:49 pm
Only two possible captains here (unless he surprises us all and drops Bismark for Strauss) and those are de Villiers and Spies. Agree with you hensopper1 @ 16 – at least 3 better Number 8s than Spies but as you say, Meyer will stand or fall by this and best we all give him the chance to show that he knows more than us (which I’m sure he does). On the positive side – Jaques Potgieter is a good call! I have to say I love the way he has bulls*h*i*t*ted the press re Fourie du Preez
2 Jun 2012, 21:51 pm
this Meyer is one fckup of a DOOS coach..
Yeah the deer in the headlights has taken on something WAY beyond his bully brekered fck’d up head.
And its already falling apart BAD
I reckon this guy don’t get beyond year ONE in this job
watch him fall apart when the wheels start coming off and this little sideshow collapses around his heilige poorly belligerent idiotic head.
You think PdV was bad.. just wait till the real fckup starts happening in front your Heyneke Meyer duped heilige eyes..
Don’t say I never warned you none either.
2 Jun 2012, 21:51 pm
heinecke got no balls.
Will probably only announce the captain after huisgodsdiens with the “senior ” players.
2 Jun 2012, 21:52 pm
BET MY STASH OF BACKY THAT SPIES WILL ALSO BE KAPTEIN.
jUUS HE WAS TOS TODAY.
2 Jun 2012, 21:52 pm
Kankowski ahead of brussow,kolisi and strauss is pathetic.
JJ ahead of du jongh and aplon is so bad it almost seems racist.
I have lost all respect for Meyer.
Didn’t he watch the sharks game kankowski was pathetic.
Kolisi just now made spies, stander and potgieter his b i t c h!
but with some twisted logic I can still understand that but kankowski. really ******* in g joke.
Even wore though is englebreght ahead of de jongh or aplon.
2 Jun 2012, 21:53 pm
Yep, so the team at the top only gets three players. What the hell!?
Well, at least the strormers will get a great break.
Really weak squad, I have no idea why macintosh is still a selector?
Agree that, kankowski, Olivier and sideshow should never ever wear a book jersey.
But who knows, perhaps Meyer can get the most out of them. But he can’t expect that any support if this blows up in his face.
2 Jun 2012, 21:54 pm
We’ll never come close to a 70 % win loss ratio with Meyer. He’s biased, conservative and every bit the coach Mallet said he was.
How I wish we had Mallet.
To leave out a guy like Brussouw who’s been on the end of FOUR consecutive victories against McCaw and the All Blacks. Meyer deserves scorn for that omission alone but then to have deadweight like Olivier, Kirtchner, Daniel, Engelbrecht, Vermaak, Jantjies, Kankowski while leaving out a form player like Kolisi?
Utterly ridiculous.
2 Jun 2012, 21:55 pm
26-9 to the Poms
2 Jun 2012, 21:55 pm
worst of all, the English just have to watch today’s game to figure out how we will play, same coaches, similar players, all brawn no brains, sigh …
2 Jun 2012, 22:00 pm
I like that breakdown Hensopper1 @ 22 – doing the same with the whole squad we get (more or less)
15 Lambie Kirchner
14 Peterson, Basson
13 JJ Engelbrecht, Wynand Olivier
12 de Villiers, Steyn
11 Habana, Mvovo
10 MSteyn, Jantjes
9 Hougaard, Pienaar, Vermaak
8 Spies Kankowski
7 Potgieter Alberts
6 Daniel Coetzee
5 Kruger Franco vd Merwe
4 Etsebeth Flip vd Merwe
3 Jannie Dup, Werner Kruger
2 Bismark, Strauss, Chiliboy
1 Beast, Coenie
A few of these might be seen in other places of course but thats the gist of it i think….
2 Jun 2012, 22:02 pm
Calm down people, the squad will change for the Castle Series.
Juandre and Marcell Coetzee, welcome, well-deserved. Marcell still needs to prove a fair bit, but I’ve been impressed by him.
Ryan Kankowski, Franco van der Merwe and Zane dont belong there and I wonder what is this philosophy without Brussow.
The squad will definitely be able to beat England 3-0.
2 Jun 2012, 22:02 pm
Jussus LOUIS SHROPNEL, Those are some MOERSE BIG WORDS YOU ARE USING.
I like the spraygun effect of using a wide array of big words that when used together make absolutely no sense.
You must be enraged with Meyer and as such have stopped using the language part of your brain.
Yus, I tell you man, I am also confounded, but have heard that Meyer is an astute rugby man.
Seeing as he is the Bok coach anbd a ball has not been dropped in anger yet, I will have to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Remember, he is no stranger to extreme failure and success.
2 Jun 2012, 22:02 pm
HM has selected his buddies and in picking Spoes as the captain he will continue SA’s trend of picking captains that do not deserve to be in the squad. Greybeard, there are 8s in the vodacom cup that would smash El Cappo Spoes.
2 Jun 2012, 22:02 pm
unbelieveable selection thats heavily bulls biased even though they went down for the 2nd time today to the Stormers.
Unreal that Brussouw, Kolisi, De Jongh, Aplon and Joe Pietersen have been ommited.
Especially considering the players that have been included are
Spies, Kanko, Wyand Olivier, JJ englebrecht (I mean WTF?????), Basson above Aplon? – obviously kick chase here we come and finally Kirchener?? Really? Again? He´s been solid this season but Joe Pietersen has been great. so we omit 4 Stormers for 5 Bulls instead?? The whole team is Bulls Biased. Surprised Oosthuisen made it ahead of Greyling.
Honestly dont know what to say about the team. Some spot on selections and some just plain baffling. Baffling. I just hope de Villiers doesnt come near the 12 spot and Frans Steyn is 12 – at least – please god. Asseblief. If I was black i´d be pissed that Kolisi wasnt picked cos he has been outstanding all season. I know he´s in the so called extended squad but will the poor oke ever get a chance with the likes of Vermeulen, Burger coming back and possibly Brussouw resurfacing?
Only ommission i´m ok with is Brussouw cos he has been average all season and penalty count is too high. If Jacques Potgieter is fit I back him as a great impact player.
Jeez what to think??
2 Jun 2012, 22:04 pm
Something smells bad in here? Did you f*a*r*t hensopper? Oh no apologies hensopper – its the yobbo louis schropnel – clearly he didnt brush his teeth after performing cunnilingus on his dog – tsk tsk tsk – and he EATS with that mouth I tell you!!!
2 Jun 2012, 22:06 pm
This Oke Meyer is fck’d.. get the politicians to sort him out FAST because if they leave him to his own fck’d up devices this clown is gonna sink Springbok rugby so bad they won’t know who the fck did the damage when nobody was looking
This Meyer is one immensely overrated CLOWN
and the entire bully breker contingent was seriously thinking he’s next to God or something as wishfully thinking as that.
2 Jun 2012, 22:06 pm
Steve Warren.
Agree strongly. Kankowski??? What is he for? poncing around the pitch very quickly.
Greybeard. That looks like a group Meyer would feel comfortable with.
2 Jun 2012, 22:06 pm
HM has made his first royal ***** up
2 Jun 2012, 22:06 pm
One Can’t help but wonder whatever happened to the following players
Noticeable omissions
De jong
Siyamthanda kolisi,
Brussouw
Greyling
Grant
Joe pieterson
Aplon
2 Jun 2012, 22:08 pm
garth @ 39 – I agree totally re Spies
2 Jun 2012, 22:08 pm
So after tonights performance where the Stormers are the top team in SA and have been for most of the season there are 3 Stormers players picked and 13 Bulls players,
Disgraceful.
Kanko? Not a bad player but honestly, he’s barely played this year and he gets picked?
No man.
No kolisi? Even after tonight? I’m sorry, you can say what you like about Coetzee but Kolisi is the top loose forward in SA right now.
No Brussow is also shocking. No De Jongh or Aplon.
Ridiculous.
2 Jun 2012, 22:08 pm
Just got back from Loftus and the victory was so sweet. As I said yesterday the Bulls thought they just had to arrive to beat the second string Stormers. Poor captaincy by Spies who was arrogant to go for touch instead of taking the points on hand. Well the true captain won the game. Kolisi was huge and Habanna had his best game for a while.
Now the Bok team is very endearing, but I suppose we can do with the break. Meisiekind, Britney, Kirscner and JJ are the laughing stocks of the team. Anyways lets hope the coach is as good as we all thought…
Watching the weak Lions make the Sharks look mediocre was for sure the highlight of my weekend…
I had great fun at Loftus and the Bulls fans were gracious in defeat…
2 Jun 2012, 22:09 pm
Omitting Brussow is MADNESS!!!!!!!!!!!! He is the best loose forward we have. The only loosie that international teams truly fear (and not overrated cart horses like Spies, kankowski etc).
The English must be relieved.
He would have been the FIRST on my team sheet.
Apart from that, the squad isn’t bad. Good to see Adriaan Strauss in there, it’s been due for ages. Would have liked to see Ebersohn get a chance with some solid players on his inside and outside.
2 Jun 2012, 22:10 pm
Now we move into the next phase of the game children – select your match 22 and captain from this 32? Bet you’ll all love that wont you?
2 Jun 2012, 22:10 pm
@greybeard(greybeard)-41:
you got farts shrouding your fck’d up brain.. its clear as daylight
Just CHECK this stupendously useless fck’d up team he selects
Boks are going down vs England that’s my take on this disaster train smash in the offing here
Politico’s will be ALL over this doos like and absolute rash… I reckon he don’t get beyond year one in his tenure
any bets riding on that?
2 Jun 2012, 22:12 pm
The Bulls supporters were saying how weak Spies is and is a disgrace to the Bulls jersey. Guess what he is in the Bok team… Except for a few love birds here, he is not liked at all…
2 Jun 2012, 22:12 pm
HM makes Straulie look like Einstein. Hopefully this be a short run and we can get Mallett running things again.
2 Jun 2012, 22:12 pm
JJ Engelbrecht out, Aplon in.
Kankowski out, Kolisi in.
Kirchner out, Joe Peterson in.
Olivier out, JdJ in.
Jacques Potgieter out, Brussouw in.
Franco out, Muller in.
Jano, I can’t see who to replace him with but
what exactly has he proven?
That’s the changes I’d make.
2 Jun 2012, 22:13 pm
no JdJ…WTF? JJ is good but better than JdJ this year?
NO WAYS
2 Jun 2012, 22:14 pm
Yes LOUISSHROPNEL.
Phone babba JACB zUMMA To sort this out. It is only fit that a man of integrety and respect such as him should intervene in this matter of rugby, of which he is most knowledgable.
Phone him now, but first brush your teeth as Greybeard suggested, that mouth is dirtier than a New Zealand forward.
2 Jun 2012, 22:14 pm
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-28:
Skop, I take back what said earlier.
With this conservative twat at the helm the AB’s and Wallabes will see us coming a mile away.
And he didn’t even bother to make up the numbers with farkin merit selection.
2 Jun 2012, 22:14 pm
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-51: Good. He deserves some heat from the politicians for his early racially and provincially biased selections.
2 Jun 2012, 22:16 pm
I’m not going to let this spoil the party.
STORMERSSSSSSSSSSSS
2 Jun 2012, 22:16 pm
@garth(garth)-53: Amen, the sooner Mallet comes in the sooner we can get the results our pool of talent deserves. We’re heading into 60 % mediocrity lane and political shitfight street too under this Meyer clown.
2 Jun 2012, 22:17 pm
@garth(garth)-53: this oke won’t last one year..
how many bets on that?
He’s gonna BLOW and blow it big.. it looks like a train smash of epic proportions coming down the track.. I can hardly open my eyes to watch.
2 Jun 2012, 22:17 pm
No man, HM really is disappointing,
With this conservative twat at the helm the AB’s and Wallabes will see us coming a mile away.
And he didn’t even bother to make up the numbers with farkin merit selection.
2 Jun 2012, 22:18 pm
Terrible.
Shocking.
2 Jun 2012, 22:19 pm
How on earth did Jean De Villiers, Habanna and Etsebeth make the Squad??????
2 Jun 2012, 22:22 pm
@storiejoernal(storiejoernal)-54: Hey you copied what i posted lol
2 Jun 2012, 22:22 pm
“It was believed that Japan-based scrumhalf Du Preez was informally offered the team captaincy last week from head coach Heyneke Meyer. However, it seems as if the player has made himself unavailable for selection as he’s been left out of the squad. ”
You were useless, ignorant and uninformed ***** as far back as JW, PdV so spare us your apologies.
2 Jun 2012, 22:22 pm
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-51: Often wondered if you’d be man enough to say the type of things you do on this blog to someone’s face. I’m betting not, honestly it’s disgusting the way you carry on, bordering on libel.
Most of players everyone’s up in arms about are at best squad players. Judge him by his results, it’s pathetic how posters jump on here with accusations of racism.
2 Jun 2012, 22:23 pm
WHAT A JOKE OF A SQUAD!!!
SO DISSAPOINTED!!!!!
No de Jong, no Aplon, no Johnso, no Kollisi, no flair what so ever in that squad. Meyer has really picked a one sided squad. The Bulls showed today that with out flair, a rock solid defense will win games. International rugby is a differant ball game to super 15, England can defend!
He has gone for Wynaard Oliver has shown time and time again, he is not up to international rugby, no matter how good he is in super 15, de jong however has shown his the business!!! Aplon as well, to omitt him from at least the bench.
So dissapointed, i almost feel that they should bring quotas back into rugyb to enusre the best players are picked, apposed to mindless size!!!
2 Jun 2012, 22:23 pm
I fkucking horrified at that squad selection – where the hell is Luke Watson?
2 Jun 2012, 22:23 pm
I’m not black, but I’m extremely pissed off that kolisi weren’t selected. Kolisi has been playing ou of position all season and have done tremendously.
. I think de villiers has been kak all season. I believe Juan would benefit having frans steyn on his inside.
2 Jun 2012, 22:24 pm
@hensopper1(hensopper1)-56: you too got sh’t spilling from out your neanderthal brain just like your heilige arsehole gatgabba Heyneke Meyer and this greyarsed doos propping you up.. HM is so f’ng Blind he got sh’t for brains and idiocy for his so called astute rugby relevant intelligence.. I ain’t seen a doos like this for a long time.. and some you schmucks actually believe this twat is the messiah in waiting… Ain’t you in for ONE mammoth BIG surprise poor idiotic neanderthal schmuck DELUXE !!
No sweat I don’t need NO phone calls for this garbage to be sorted and sorted FAST.. this MORON is SO far out his neanderthal tree he’s gonna blow so big the tree won’t need much shaking before he comes crashing down all by himself.
2 Jun 2012, 22:25 pm
@Meerkatte(phil72)-64: You are fokkn smoking arent you?? Jean de Villiers I dont like either but Habana has been in good form and is the most capped player – who should take his place? Willie le Roux? Are you nuts? Aplon should be in the squad but at the expense of Basson who is a defensive liability.
Etzebeth? Oh so you know a better 4 in Sa at the moment? You have no bleeding idea man – etzebeth has been the best lock in Super rugby this season. pfff
2 Jun 2012, 22:25 pm
Liewe fkn arme tant sarel dus n moerse kontekinte fokop, groot oom Paul kak veroirsak springbokken gat
2 Jun 2012, 22:26 pm
A DISGRACE
BULLBOKS
GEEZ DID HE WATCH ANY SUPER15 GAMES?
2 Jun 2012, 22:27 pm
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-72:
Suppose the had to put in a few Stompies
2 Jun 2012, 22:27 pm
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-72:
i think he said that as a joke
I thought it was funny
2 Jun 2012, 22:28 pm
@Clanerk(Clanerk)-67: REALLY Clanerk.. you reckon I wouldn’t tell Meyer he’s way out his tree.. to his face.. which he is…
I once asked Mallet why he made such a mammoth blunder and he turned tail and ducked and dived the question just like the big balled breker he is.
2 Jun 2012, 22:28 pm
@garth(garth)-53: come now man – don’t be such a sour brokeback! Boks always do well with limited entiltled Stellenbosch girls in the team. RWC winners in 1995 and 2007 is just an example of how well they do without the softies from Cape Town.
2 Jun 2012, 22:30 pm
@SpearTackle(hardcore)-68:
Most of us agree there
WO????????
JJ ?????????????
Kirshner?????????????
Vermaak?????????? (
2 Jun 2012, 22:30 pm
@Jeraldjay(Jeraldjay)-57: its OK.. everybody entitled to close their eyes for the sake of some belief in sanity.. when its clear that only insanity actually exists in the hallways marking the legacy of Springbok rugby.. then you quite entitled to laugh and laugh out loud.. for fear of breaking out in bitter tears at the idiocy portrayed.
2 Jun 2012, 22:30 pm
@Meerkatte(phil72)-64: Etsebeth looks injured, so who is the Blue Bulls VC lock they will call up? Bakkies may get a call after all. So PDV was chosen for non-rugby reasons and HM was selected for rugby reasons (on merit). Has he selected a squad on the same basis or has he guaranteed his buddies that they will get their caps once he is chosen. Is that not the same **** PDV pulled with the senior players? He has shamed the Bok jersey with this selection.
2 Jun 2012, 22:31 pm
Greybeard, again that sulphrius reek.
Come on everybody, it could have been worse, he could have picked a balding over the hill oke who ply’s his trade in Japan, Like Eddie Jones.
I for one am pleased that Hougaard ‘business and pleasure’ the Mullett is in. That’s a good start really.
The ONLY captain here that Warrants a place is Jean DeVilliers.
2 Jun 2012, 22:31 pm
make die bulle almal bokke ne. the coach, the assistants and all the players. well done meyer you’ve basically lost the support of everyone outside pretoria for picking players like vermaak, olivier and kirchner.
stormers showed these one dimensional show ponies are easy to stop. even when half your boks are injured.
only thing left now is for spies to be named captain.
kirchner over aplon? i think that is the selection that rankles most.
2 Jun 2012, 22:31 pm
hensopper you really should bow to the intellect of schropnel. after all, if he uses enough filth it must be so isnt it? I wonder if he has a drinking problem poor man? He was clearly wrecked at 5:30am this morning and I cant say that he is any better this evening tsk tsk tsk
schropnel just for you – follow this link my friend
http://www.aa.org
2 Jun 2012, 22:31 pm
ok this is the 22 as i think he will play them for the first test,
15 Lambie
14 JPP
13 JDV Capt
12 F Steyn
11 Habana
10 Morne
09 Hougaard
08 Spies
07 Alberts
06 Coetzee
05 Kruger
04 VD Merwe
03 Jannie
02 Bismark
01 Beast
16 Chili
17 Coenie
18 Etsebeth
19 Daniel/Kanko
20 Pienaar
21 Olivier
22 Mvovo/Kirchner
2 Jun 2012, 22:32 pm
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-77: I’m sure you questioned him skop, but I’m POSITIVE it wasn’t in the type of language you use on here.
I’m not 100% happy with the squad, Kolisi is a massive omission but there’s really no need for the vitriol. Shouldn’t we wait until after the series to sacrifice him??
2 Jun 2012, 22:32 pm
and Kanko
having Spies there is bad enough
Kanko cant even crack the Sharks 15
2 Jun 2012, 22:32 pm
Sulphurius reek again……
2 Jun 2012, 22:32 pm
@Clanerk(Clanerk)-67: Is it really pathetic when he chooses players who barley play for the franchises ahead of tried and tested Springboks.
The funny thing is I really rate Engelbrecht but he is a wing and not ready yet, to pick him ahead of aplon or du jongh doesn’t make sense.
2 Jun 2012, 22:32 pm
@RL(RL)-78:
Right, but they were also without the “softees’ from CT during the worlcups they lost- like last year for example.
Evens?
2 Jun 2012, 22:33 pm
hensopper1 @ 82 – couldnt agree more – would you play him at 13 outside Steyn? I fear that WO is in the coach’s plans
2 Jun 2012, 22:33 pm
Looks like the Bulls had the last laugh tonight
2 Jun 2012, 22:33 pm
And sa will support this idiot ,,, I will rather support NZ Rugby anyday
2 Jun 2012, 22:34 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-85:
Seems pretty close form what you have there
I think Estebeth should start
No WO please
or Kirshner
2 Jun 2012, 22:34 pm
Anyone approve of the squad? Please let me know and why too, it seems we’re all in agreement that Meyer has failed miserably or whoever the selector is.
2 Jun 2012, 22:35 pm
sharks_lover @ 85 – close i reckon. By the way, thanks for the good game this evening – we Lions supporters have so little to cheer about these days
2 Jun 2012, 22:36 pm
What the fu*k Where’s aplon,kolisi, Joe Peterson and jdj? What the heck is Kankowski, jj, kirchner and SPIES doing in the squad.
2 Jun 2012, 22:37 pm
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-94: Pete its the team i think he will play, not what i would select
2 Jun 2012, 22:37 pm
and duane vermeulen?
2 Jun 2012, 22:37 pm
CoachPete @ 94 – agree with you, but I fear that WO is in the coach’s plans. What better way to ensure that your blue eyed boy Spies becomes captain than to not have JdeV in the starting 15? Please tell me I’m a pessimist – pleeeease!
2 Jun 2012, 22:37 pm
If Heyneke Meyer wanted to coach the Bulls again, he should have applied for that position.
2 Jun 2012, 22:38 pm
The more I read this, the more I support Meyer. Everybody is furious, But for entirely different reasons.
This is his team. He will stand or fall by it.
Let’s see how they play.
My one area of real concern is the type of players he has chosen at 8. With those types at the back of the scrum we will not maximise our forward attributes. Both are show ponies of no substance, and neither can tackle for toffee.
2 Jun 2012, 22:38 pm
@greybeard(greybeard)-96: lol no problem old grey and congrats , your team deserved the victory
2 Jun 2012, 22:39 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-98:
Yes i know Its just upsetting watching the Stormers beat the bulls (twice now)
at loftus with a weaker team and he selects all these bulls
Kolisi should be on the bench Full stop
2 Jun 2012, 22:39 pm
@SpiesIsWorthless(SpiesIsWorthless)-95:
You right, this could be the first time I can remember when the majority all think the sqaud is k a k.
2 Jun 2012, 22:39 pm
If this is what we can expect from Heyneke in the future, I would rather have Peter de Villiers back.
2 Jun 2012, 22:40 pm
hensopper1 @ 102 – I share your concerns about No8 – also think the centre combos are not balanced, and will wait and see what his loose trio plus bench looks like. For the rest, pretty strong I would say……
2 Jun 2012, 22:40 pm
I dont know how many of you realise this but in both the Sharks and BUlls games certain players were taken off quite early in the match
Sharks players that left , Bismark , jannie, Alberts, coetzee, Daniel, was that coincidence??
2 Jun 2012, 22:40 pm
@hensopper1(hensopper1)-102:
Well there is always Daniels or Alberts at 8
2 Jun 2012, 22:40 pm
You are all getting you knickers in a knot for no reason… This team is only for the Pommies and there is no time to prepare. All Meyer is doing is selecting a base of players he knows with a few others to fill the gaps. This will change completely in the future. And this Bulls Sharks combo should be strong enough to beat the poms. Also this team was selected after the Sharks destroyed the Stormers last week.,was not selected this evening….
2 Jun 2012, 22:41 pm
If England win this series with this fkup he must go – end of
i will **** me broek if this pom team beat tge Boks.
2 Jun 2012, 22:41 pm
Yip.. let see the white team play…..NZ will F them up….. HM is a idiot as expected tho…. Time for the White man is back lol
2 Jun 2012, 22:42 pm
SpringbokSarah @ 106 – please no! At least this man has a plan, even if we dont yet buy into his vision – Divvy never had one, and in truth Strauli and Viljoen were little better…. give it time Sarah – he might surprise us all and as a Bok supporter I hope he does
2 Jun 2012, 22:42 pm
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-104: I agree, i am also shocked
But watch the players get sworn at and trashed in here now, and it aint like they select themselves,
Sit back and watch
2 Jun 2012, 22:42 pm
@greybeard(greybeard)-107:
Even with WO and JJ selected the center pair is going to be Steyn and JDV with JDV most likely capt (unless HM has another brain **** with Spies as Capt
2 Jun 2012, 22:42 pm
A lot of hysterics on here.
Interesting that the two teams with the most players in the squad produced shocking performances tonight.
Minds on the Bok squad already, perhaps?
2 Jun 2012, 22:43 pm
SA RUGBY SUCKS
2 Jun 2012, 22:43 pm
No Reihnardt ? OK but then please show me a better, harder, tougher blind sider one this season?
No Grant??? I thought we have seen the best FH currently in SA today once again???
And no Nel but Werner Kruger in? gee, Kruger was shown up by the geriatric Carsten today
2 Jun 2012, 22:44 pm
@SteveWarren(SteveWarren)-89: He’ll live and die by his decisions but at the end of the day are you really going to make everyone happy? Some interesting fringe calls granted but he’s got a game plan in mind and he’s selected the players he feels are best suited to that game plan. JJ surely is a left field call but he must have something Heyneke feels can add to the squad.
Willing to give him the benefit of the doubt , he knows a hell of a lot more about ruby than 99.9% of the bloggers on here.
2 Jun 2012, 22:44 pm
The million dollar question is, how will this squad change from the one that will be chosen for the 4 nations, taking into account their are no injuries.
2 Jun 2012, 22:44 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-114:
Yes very true i dont blame the players
Its HM and selectors Just some bad decisions
A slap in the face to some form players and players in a team WAY on top of the SA conference
2 Jun 2012, 22:44 pm
Wo ??? Spies???????????? Kankowski????????? Kirshner???????? Jj ???jano??
2 Jun 2012, 22:44 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-116: prolly the case
pity though as both can now still lose out to play in the latter stages
2 Jun 2012, 22:44 pm
@greybeard(greybeard)-113: P Divvy may have been an idiot but at least he wasn’t blatantly biased
2 Jun 2012, 22:45 pm
I’m cheering for the Poms this series!!!
Go Poms, the Stormers lacking a number of key players managed to beat the Bulls, surely an international team can whoop ‘em!
2 Jun 2012, 22:45 pm
wwhwhere’s the guys that deserved it
2 Jun 2012, 22:45 pm
@cab(cab)-111: You know with the team he just selected its highly possible England will beat us all they have to do is play like the stormers did against the bulls. I rate england will be quite allot better than a weakened stormers team but will Meyers boks be better than the bulls team.
2 Jun 2012, 22:46 pm
@Hondo(Hondo)-118: You’re a joke poster by the way, how you’re still allowed on here is beyond me, really leave a rather foul taste in the mouth.
2 Jun 2012, 22:46 pm
@Hondo(Hondo)-118:
Yeah Jaantjies for Grant ????
Grant far more experienced and consistent
And grant haters, this is just my opinion
2 Jun 2012, 22:46 pm
@Clanerk(Clanerk)-86: this is a BLOG for crying out load .. have you even witnessed the level of integrity spewed on here.. come on stop being so perfectly civilized and cultured like these God given coaches we have round about our losing weary heads…
This is a PATHETIC selection..
PdV selected WAY better than this and even though he was brow beaten by some overrated God given talents and leadership to play along nicely else he was O.U.T. of favor with the CLAN.. he played along nevertheless..
This Clown has absolutely ZERO clue and it is showing extremely BAD..
I gonna spill it anyway I reckon it needs to get spilled.. if this moron got sh’t for brains he needs to be told.. else you still gonna believe that he don’t..
No Aplon
No JdJ
No Kolisi
No Brussow
Kankowski, Potgieter, Daniel, Spies, Coetsee over Kolisi and Brussow
Kirchner, Basson, Mvovo over Aplon
Olivier, Engelbrecht over JdJ
Yeah he knows his oats alright.. now he gonna have to pray England reckon he’s as switched on as all you believers believe he is and lay down and roll over to confirm it.
2 Jun 2012, 22:46 pm
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-121: most will knoww i am a huge Kanko fan, this is however what i posted on the Stormer win thread.
JJ Engelbrecht out, Aplon in.
Kankowski out, Kolisi in.
Kirchner out, Joe Peterson in.
Olivier out, JdJ in.
Jacques Potgieter out, Brussouw in.
Franco out, Muller in.
Jano, I can’t see who to replace him with but what exactly has he proven?
That’s the changes I’d make.
2 Jun 2012, 22:46 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-114: You can’t be mad with the players and I truly hope they make the most of it
2 Jun 2012, 22:46 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-123:
I reckon this announcement was no surprise to the players involved. Pretty sure they were informed earlier.
2 Jun 2012, 22:47 pm
@sharks_lover 114 – that is what really gets me nasty too – I love to hear people discuss and even get upset, but the way in which some posters attack players and coaches is unacceptable imo – you are so right – nobody selects himself, except maybe Johnn Smit last year
.
@tacitus – you may have a point there – I say benefit of the doubt to HM untill he proves himself incompetent. If we beat England next week nobody will care if there are 13 Martians in the squad
2 Jun 2012, 22:47 pm
@lepel(lepel)-125: Good stuff, enjoy it.
2 Jun 2012, 22:47 pm
Pierre Spies for captain…… what a joke, and they said PDV was bad… mmmmmm
2 Jun 2012, 22:47 pm
It seems to be a mixture of ‘slapped around like a wounded old Lions *****’ Shork Supporters and half wits in the LOUISSHROPNEL mould peopling this site at present.
Heineke Meyer has done well not to name his captain yet, He could do without the pressure, particularly if it happens to be Pierre Spies.
2 Jun 2012, 22:48 pm
Furthermore, six promising players have been
added to the Springbok squad for the next three
weeks. They are not eligible for selection but will
train with the squad in Durban, Johannesburg
and Port Elizabeth.
The six up-and-coming players are Siya Kolisi,
Arno Botha, Frans Malherbe, CJ Stander, Francois
Venter and Piet van Zyl.
2 Jun 2012, 22:48 pm
Where is the Messiah Frans?
2 Jun 2012, 22:48 pm
As soon as the All Bulls coaching staff was announced we had our clue that one of the old foes of SA rugby, provincialism, was back. Meyer has contradicted himself picking some of these old proven failures when he already stated he wanted players who would be “good Springbok’s”.
2 Jun 2012, 22:49 pm
First of all….The Sharks believed the press writing them in as conference contenders with 5 point before the game, thanks lions for bringing this sho pony team back to earth!
Second….the bulls believed the hype the press created by writing the stormers off and neglecting to realize the bulls lost two in a row…..nothing on that in the buildup to the game ??????
I don’t want to brag…All I ask for is respect in the press and media for what the Stormers has achieved since it is after all what you so easily give the Sharks and bulls when they win!!!!
Lastly…….the squad is a joke….I am one guy who will not fall for this HM psychology where he tells the whole world when it is between a bulls and stormers player he will pick the stormer player *****!! He tries and mind f@ck us and still do what he does……I’m not a snorcity idiot who will just devour you **** without questions HM!!!
2 Jun 2012, 22:49 pm
ok girls – the night nurse says its time for my medication and milk – they are so strict in this old age home – goodnight all, even you foul mouthed schropnel
2 Jun 2012, 22:50 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-131:
Ok yeah good:)
I agree with those changes
2 Jun 2012, 22:50 pm
Steve good point
liewe koeksister what a dress.
2 Jun 2012, 22:51 pm
Aussies and ABs must be falling of their seats with laughter… And Graham Henry’s Argentina are suddenly thinking that the wooden spoon isn’t necessarily destined for them anymore.
2 Jun 2012, 22:51 pm
JJ Engelbrecht, Wynand Olivier, Jano Vermaak,Ryan Kankowski,Franco van der Merwe.
If anybody can give me an explanation for the selection of the above players, it will be much appreciated.
I’m not one to criticise the coach’s selection of players because I believe it is his prerogative to select the players that he sees fit for his plan, but really. I’d like to have some clearity on the above mentioned players.
SSSTTTTTTTTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRmmmm EEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
2 Jun 2012, 22:51 pm
Okay here goes my 22 based on Meyers picks.
15 . who the hell knows – Lambie is as slow as an old dog with no pace trying to catch a cat. And that Kirchner scares me, tt looks like he can fail an IQ and a pot test any day of the week.
14. Maybe JPP or Mvovo – both weak minded guppies who tasted defeeet at the hands of Mitch’s losers – cannot afford to have mental basket cases playing for the Boks just 7 days after the moering of their lives.
13. It has to be Engelbrecht. Stop crying about Juan de Jongh who is very mach useless!
12. Frans my boy welcome back. I remeber backing you when the guppies were breaking you.
11. hmmmmm lets see Habs or Basson – lets just say that Basson should be dragged out into the street to be flogged repeatedly.
10. Jantjies or Steyn – Jantjies wins because he won his last match and Steyn lost his last match. End of debate.
9. Pienaar and not Hougie – Pleaaaaase Heineken.
8. Alberts moer hulle stukkend.
7. Potgieter hard as nail neanderthal will hurt those POMS.
6. Coetzee – he is the business.
5. My man Franco
4: Estebeth the enforcer.
3: It makes me cry having to choose between Kruger and the ever kak du Plessis – you guys can choose your poison.
2. Strauss and my captain.
1. Beastly man.
on the bench I will have.
Chiliboy
Coenie
Daniel
Juandre Kruger
Hougaard
M. Steyn
J. de Villiers
2 Jun 2012, 22:51 pm
@SpringbokSarah(SpringbokSarah)-132: this is true sarah , and nice to see you back, haave not seen you in here for a very long time
@Dawn(Dawn)-139: I durban enjoying the warm weather
2 Jun 2012, 22:52 pm
Over ano hour after the squad announcement i’m still staring at the wall wondering what just happened there! No Kolisi?? After tonight’s game? Not to mention JdJ and Aplon. Is this guy for real, even leaving out Brussow?!! I always felt he was overrated because besides that fortuitous title in 2007 and a string of meaningless Currie Cup wins (well, even the Lions won it last year…), what else does he have to show as a top-class coach? How has he revolutionised the way the game is played? He has average written all over him. No exciting ideas or backline moves. But then again you’d expect that from a guy who has no appreciation for the aesthetics of the game, who believes that there are only two types of rugby, winining rugby and losing rugby.
2 Jun 2012, 22:52 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-131:
I would have added grant instead of jaantjies
He is steady experienced, very good goal kicker and can play center
2 Jun 2012, 22:53 pm
At least HM shows his racist hand…. whites will always be better…. and people wonder why we support NZ in SA
2 Jun 2012, 22:53 pm
on the bright side… a good match day 22 can still be selected from this squad as most of the contentious selections will be the 10 carrying tackle bags. and the ones who missed out would also not have made Meyer’s starting team.
but seeing this squad meyers preference for bulls players will never surprise me again which means we could see the following starting team….
1. Beast
2. Chilli
3. Kruger
4. Flip
5. Kruger
6. Potgieter
7. Alberts
8. Spies (Captain)
9. Hougaard
10. Steyn
11. Habana
12. Olivier
13. Englebrecht
14. Basson
15. Kirchner
you saw it here first
2 Jun 2012, 22:54 pm
Coach might just surprise and select this…..
15 Kirchner
14 Hougaardt
13 De Villiers
12 Steyn
11 Habana
10 Lambie
9 Pienaar
8 Alberts
7 Potgieter
6 Marcell Coetzee
5 Juandre Kruger
4 Eben Etzebeth
3 Beast Mtawarira
2 Bismarck du Plessis
1 Werner Kruger
2 Jun 2012, 22:54 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-133: I also think so TAc
As i mentioned earlier, look at the players taken off in the 2nd half from the Sharks? it seems to make sense now
It didnt earlier
2 Jun 2012, 22:54 pm
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-130: I’m no believer but it’s too early to be jumping ship. The contentious calls are borderline, they’re squad players, could have gone either way and he chose to go with players he knows and has worked with before.
Ah well, know we’ll knock seven shades of **** out of the English and people will still be on here sulking about it not being enough.
the Springbok coach can’t win, it really is a poisoned chalice, he hasn’t even had a game yet
2 Jun 2012, 22:55 pm
@RL(RL)-147:
yeah real scary
JJ at 13 so Spies capt ?
2 Jun 2012, 22:55 pm
@Wonder Why C(Wonder Why C)-151: GFY.
2 Jun 2012, 22:56 pm
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-129:
Grant is a far better FH then Styen ever been, there is a cliche’ here that we need to see how HM plan will evolve, I said it wrong!
The Super 15 is 15 weeks old, what you see is what you get, it doesn’t come better than that.
I don’t bother with Jantjies and co, they are a given and we understand that.
2 Jun 2012, 22:56 pm
I think I’m going to get in there before everybody and say – HM is kak, and is going to be a complete dis-arse-ter.
As greybeard obviously knows, this is scienctifik and Hm has obviously got all his calculations wrong. Either that, or he copied down those formulas wrong from the sheet.
I’m getting dizzy in here with all the methane – geez – someone open the window.
2 Jun 2012, 22:56 pm
Bring SNOR back. As I said on the other thread – we going to see our ar…. big time against the English.
2 Jun 2012, 22:56 pm
@munkiboi(munkiboi)-152:
No F Steyn??
2 Jun 2012, 22:56 pm
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-156: Strauss as captain. No placefor the Bismarck – that ship is sinking.
2 Jun 2012, 22:56 pm
The hysterics on this blog is getting to be a bit much too handle.
I think I’m logging off for the night.
Heyneke better not go and beat the English, or else the Einsteins blogging here will be REALLY upset with him.
2 Jun 2012, 22:58 pm
@Quota Selection(Quota Selection)-149: What other types of rugby are there? Don’t tell me you’d prefer a pretty loss to a win? Really?
2 Jun 2012, 22:58 pm
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-156: This is the last part of the SS article abaout the team/
Furthermore, six promising players have been added to the Springbok squad for the next three weeks. They are not eligible for selection but will train with the squad in Durban, Johannesburg and Port Elizabeth.
The six up-and-coming players are Siya Kolisi (flank), Arno Botha (No 8), Frans Malherbe (prop), CJ Stander (loose forward), Francois Venter (centre) and Piet van Zyl (scrumhalf).
Meyer said: “We feel that these players have what it takes to play for the Springboks and they were close to selection in the final squad. However, these three weeks provide the ideal opportunity to work with them, show them what the Springbok culture is all about and hopefully put them on the right track to play for South Africa sooner rather than later. By doing this now, we will reap the dividends going forward.
“We also rate a number of great players in the South African Under-20 squad, but they were not considered at this stage due to the fact that they are playing in a very important Junior World Championship
2 Jun 2012, 22:58 pm
Brussouw…
How the f uck can he leave out Brussouw man. What the fark is this guy thinking. Brussouw’s last hit out was an awesome MOM performance against the All Blacks. He grows an extra arm and leg when he plays in a Bok jersey.
The next thing that grates is Sideshow over Aplon? A plodder over a genuine threat.
Engelbrech over De Jongh? … Unjustifiable
2 Jun 2012, 22:59 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-154:
yeah could be HM called Plum?
if i was sharks coach and he told me to take off key boks while trying to claw back against lions
i would have told him to go F%&$k himself
2 Jun 2012, 22:59 pm
Should say last hit out vs AB’s for Brussouw.
2 Jun 2012, 23:00 pm
@RL(RL)-162:
As the NBA player once said
“The ship be sinking “
2 Jun 2012, 23:00 pm
@Wonder Why C(Wonder Why C)-151:
its not really a white vs black thing from what i can see. kirchner selected over aplon they are the same “colour” and jantjes was picked over grant…. i guess olivier and englebrecht over juan de jong is questionable but that looks like provincial rather than colour bias….
Sure Kolisi is an incredible prospect and will be a bok legend. he is 20, and has shouldered so much for the stormers this year a 3 week break is what he needs. as a stormers fan i am stoked he has not been picked. he is in the wider training squad so will get exposure without any pressure.
2 Jun 2012, 23:00 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-148: ag thanks man. my days are unfortunately filled with economics, business management and private law x_x
2 Jun 2012, 23:01 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-163: Too true, time for a Bells.
Enjoy the frothing gents, it REALLY is making a difference, I’m sure Heyneke is on here right now reading these comments and being put straight, with every comment he’s changing his mind, keep fighting the good fight.
2 Jun 2012, 23:01 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-165:
yeas i saw it the sad part of that is the six cant play
2 Jun 2012, 23:01 pm
All I know is heyneke ain’t no Einstein if he loses to pompomeranian better I log off forever – nee man – how can this oke select 3 players from a team leading the thing?
2 Jun 2012, 23:01 pm
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-167: lol true, but it prolly aint the case Pete, but it does seem strange the team was changed that early in the 2nd half
2 Jun 2012, 23:02 pm
O where art the divmaster?
2 Jun 2012, 23:02 pm
@Clanerk(Clanerk)-155:
I’m almost with Lepel here
I dunno how much patriotism I can muster to go along with this white man’s idiocy in the face of the recognition of relevancy required in this country.. I reckon this clown is a moron.. and I don’t think my Springbok patriotism is strong enough to root for this rearguard blind blinkered pathetic selection
I couldn’t stand White for similar reasons and now this idiot has shown his true colors. I got little respect left to actually support him for the fool he is.
If he beats England I reckon he might get given pardon for his blindness but there is a little part saying that he’s not up to the task
FdP made his job a little easier.. now only by default because FdP chickened out like the chicken he is.. and Matfield wasn’t allowed to partake.. so he will have to bend to reason and choose JdV for captain.. if he goes with Spies.. then I reckon I root for England all the way. Or at least that how I feel about it now.. maybe I change my feeling by next week.
2 Jun 2012, 23:02 pm
Coach Pete, We should be so lucky about the 8 position.
Who is crying racism now?
Nonsense! The synthetic regime prescribed skin pigmentation dynamic is all within the law. as far as I can see.
Kolisi will be a bok soon, Meyer has recognised that, as will Piet Van Zyl, who is a moerse good player. Business and pleasure deserves to start.
Meyer saw no need to bring Duppie or Matfield back because we don’t need them.
Some of you make it sound like we are scotland or Italy.
2 Jun 2012, 23:03 pm
Bok befok. What the heck is Heyneke doing?
Spies, Kankowski, Vermaak, Engelbrecht, Kirchner, Olivier, Jantjies in?????
No Brussouw, Aplon, de Jong, Robert Ebersohn, Joe Petersen, McCleod
Forwards look ok, though we will suffer against McCaw and Pocock in The Rugby Championship (what a crappy name)
Backs look lacking especially in the centres and fullback.
So much for thinking Heyneke would restore lost Bok pride…
2 Jun 2012, 23:03 pm
@SpringbokSarah(SpringbokSarah)-171: lol Sarah , no harm in that girl, make you path for the future, so much more important
2 Jun 2012, 23:03 pm
SA will never get close to NZ…. and the Ausies are laughing there asses off…….. Anotherv 4 years of WTF and a hopefull world cup, and even if SA wins… 4 years back … WHAT A JOKE ………………. But hey, you got what you wanted … A WHITE GUY WHO CALLS THE SHOTS
2 Jun 2012, 23:03 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-163: STORMERSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!! absolute music to my ears.
2 Jun 2012, 23:03 pm
@munkiboi(munkiboi)-170:
Maybe this was the plan
Not to select too many Stormers so they can rest up going into the win the Super 15
2 Jun 2012, 23:03 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-131:
You do realise that you want Stormers players in ahead of the selected ones? :lol
How do I explain to my All Black supporting friends the ommission of players like Kolisi, Aplon and de Jongh?
Do you still wonder why so many Coloureds in the Cape and elsewhere still support the All Blacks?
2 Jun 2012, 23:05 pm
@nama1(nama1)-184: Uhm can you show me where i have been a anti Stormer?? i just fight against the trashing of players by the clowns in here
2 Jun 2012, 23:06 pm
@munkiboi Disagree…. he pick the ones who say Jaaaaaa baas
2 Jun 2012, 23:06 pm
@nama1(nama1)-146:
JJ Engelbert aside, we might be in agreement
Elstadt and Grant are the best in their position after 15 rounds of Super Rugby, we have seen now 3 weeks in a row how hopeless Styen is, or didn’t we?
Vermaak ahead of Duvenage is also a shocker,
In the quota group there are better players too: Kolisi ahead of Chiliboi, JdJ ahead of Basson as certainly does Mapoe
2 Jun 2012, 23:06 pm
Louis Shropnel.
You need to calm down. You are becoming (or are) delusional.
The coach gets paid to select; coach and prepare the team.
We will have the opportunity to point fingers when they lose or win. Heneke Meyer wants the Boks to Win, and we should support the players and coach.
2 Jun 2012, 23:06 pm
@nama1(nama1)-184: Hey for years the Natal players were excluded in this self same country, you never saw the natal Folk turning against their own
Dont use that as an excuse, you are surely bigger then that??
2 Jun 2012, 23:07 pm
@munkiboi(munkiboi)-170: don’t think he has what it takes to reach legend status – sure he played well tonight but he seems like a trained boxer tought only to defend. He lacks what I call the X factor. Now one player that has that X factor is Coetzee, another is Stander and another is Botha and they are all Kolisi’s age – they will leap frog Kolisi because as you know Boks are selected from teams that actually win trophies. So look at Kolisi’s peers right now and the shocking truth will hit you cold.
2 Jun 2012, 23:08 pm
RL , nice input haha
2 Jun 2012, 23:08 pm
Sad to see the message sent across to some outstanding performers in the Super15.
Unfortunately nobody can justify the selection of Kankowski. Siya Kolisi has been the best number 6 in the competition this season and should have been the first flank on the list. Why would you need Kankowski, who only plays 8 when Spies, Daniel and even Alberts can fill that position. It is a poor selection.
I also struggle to understand persisting with other Bok failures. Pienaar, Jannie du Plessis should not be used as backup. If they are not good enough to start, they shouldn’t be there.
2 Jun 2012, 23:08 pm
@hensopper1(hensopper1)-178:
color should not be brought into it at all. I look at talent, experiance, and form players
I have never rated Spies or kanko at 8
daniels or Alberts better options at 8
Kolisi on the bench
Just my opinion
2 Jun 2012, 23:09 pm
@Meerkatte(phil72)-153:
On a more serious side
1 Werner Kruger
2 Bismarck du Plessis
3 Beast Mtawarira
4 Eben Etzebeth
5 Juandre Kruger
6 Marcell Coetzee
7 Jacques Potgieter
8 Pierre Spies
9 Francois Hougaard
10 Morne Steyn
11 Bryan Habana
12 Frans Steyn
13 JP Pietersen
14 JJ Engelbrecht
15 Patrick Lambie
2 Jun 2012, 23:09 pm
nama 1. tELL YOUR all black supporting friends to support the All Blacks, and not to worry about the Boks.
If, as I suspect these ‘All Black supporters’ reside in the Western Cape, Tell them from Hensopper to go and f…u….c….k themselves.
2 Jun 2012, 23:09 pm
@nama1(nama1)-184: Ask yourself this question though?? what will you say if they beat the English?? and i aint saying we will beat them, just saying what if??
Surely once they have played we can judge, i am not happy with all the selections either as i have pointed out,
But screaming wont change a thing
2 Jun 2012, 23:10 pm
@184.nama1……….. cannot agree more, and I was a Springbok supporter, no more…. this is a joke and who cares if they win… we loose.
2 Jun 2012, 23:11 pm
Hi Coach Pete.
I know. Refering to some other posters which I did not make clear.
I think the boss will go for Spiesie as we feared.
2 Jun 2012, 23:11 pm
I garuntee you that the NZ and Aussie coaching staff are over the moon with this squad selection. It has answered one of their biggest concerns, “Have the Boks finally managed to appoint an astute coach to guide their undoubted talent pool?”
This squad selection answers that question with a resounding NO!
2 Jun 2012, 23:12 pm
anyways, I’m going to use this extra energy before I crash, night all
PS tell the usual gang I said HI!
2 Jun 2012, 23:12 pm
@ 195.hensopper1 ,,, and we will never sat baas again asssss hole
2 Jun 2012, 23:13 pm
Spies for Capt?? oh hell no
2 Jun 2012, 23:13 pm
say
2 Jun 2012, 23:13 pm
As disappointed i am about the squad we have the players to beat England 3-0
Cheers up Boys Not the end of the world
Stormers won too beating the Blue boks
Or bull boks?
or Springbulls?
Which is it?
2 Jun 2012, 23:13 pm
@hensopper1(hensopper1)-188:
I don’t need to calm down one little bit..
I know whats right and whats fundamentally flawed thinking and reason.. and this clown just proved he ain’t a true Springbok coach.. he’s a blue bull mascot parading as one…
2 Jun 2012, 23:14 pm
@SpringbokSarah(SpringbokSarah)-200: Good Night Sarah , Good Luck with the Studies
2 Jun 2012, 23:14 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-85: I think you could be spot on there, but really don’t be surprised to see Keegan at 8 instead of Spies. Just have a feeling.
Very surprised not to see Aplon or JdJ in the squad. Actually shocked no Aplon, just as shocked no Kolisi? Have no idea why not really. Totally surprised none of the two made the squad.
2 Jun 2012, 23:15 pm
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-204: Amen, cheers Pete
2 Jun 2012, 23:16 pm
@RL(RL)-190: Have you even watched this S15. Yes, all those youngsters are immense talents, but if any of them has the X-factor I’d say it IS Kolisi. He has the ability to glide through holes that none of those others have. He hits players back in virtually every tackle. Those others are good players, but if anything THEY lack the X-factor that he actually has.
If any of those other loosies carried the ball in the leadup to Habana’s try, they would’ve gone for the corner. Kolisi passed. Stander, Coetzee and Botha have no clue that they are allowed to pass.
2 Jun 2012, 23:16 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-163:
I take it then that you are very much satisfied with the announced squad.
Is there any player, apart from Kirchner, that you would not want there or any player that you think should have been there?
2 Jun 2012, 23:17 pm
3 players for me that is shocking is, Brussouw, Kolisi and Aplon, JDJ has been ok this year but nothing great
the other 3 have been brilliant and is wrong thaat they have been left out
2 Jun 2012, 23:17 pm
The Boks probably will beat the English, and beat them well.
Regardless of this, a positive message needs to be sent to those that perform at Super15 level, IF there is opportunity to select in the position and no previous certainty slotted in that position at international level. The problem with the squad is that the omissions of certain individuals have been substituted by other unproven individuals.
2 Jun 2012, 23:18 pm
Wonder Why C.
What are you talking about??????????????????????????
2 Jun 2012, 23:18 pm
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-205: come now Skop – this clowns has already achieved more than Divvy ever did and he has not played one match.
That’s right he is not living off another mans team – riding off someone elses coattails pretending to be a coach.
Yes I’m talking about Divvy borrowing Jakes team and calling it his own – that is pathetic.
2 Jun 2012, 23:19 pm
People here underestimate England, they have been playing very well. It won’t be easy to beat them, especially with a kick and chase gameplan.
2 Jun 2012, 23:19 pm
All he’s been speaking of all season was that he is not going to be biased in selections. So he’s not just an a rse, he’s a blatant lying a rse
2 Jun 2012, 23:20 pm
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-204: I know how you feel Coach, but now feel Stormers could win this whole thing. Without disruption from players headed off for Bok Duty they will rest and be far more ready than any other franchise team in their conferende.
Just remember rest brings strength. Which all teams need now. Also most of the Stormer players will be able to keep on training together. Added bonus. So not is all lost, might be a added bonus to be honest having most of your players still intact. Some players from Sharks or Bulls will just sit on the bench or be wearing suits really. Not the ideal situation to be in when S15 continues after the tests. Stormers are in a good position right now. By the way. Well done to your Stormers. Congrats mate.
2 Jun 2012, 23:20 pm
The more I look at the team the more concerned i get….but mostly that i can not think of 1 descent outside centre in the country.
All the other position are covered, Burger and Vermeulen coming back, Goosen to take over from Steyn …. but not 1 good outside centre!
2 Jun 2012, 23:20 pm
@RL(RL)-214: Technically he’s taking Frans Ludeke’s team.
2 Jun 2012, 23:20 pm
What a shocking squad. Absolutely pathetic no matter how you look at it.
But having said that, you guys going on about colour??? Get a life ffs. it’s a Bulls bisaed squad from an old Bulls coach, that;s all. Colour has got nothing to do with it.
2 Jun 2012, 23:21 pm
@Puma(Puma)-217: meant = conference
2 Jun 2012, 23:22 pm
@Wonder Why C(Wonder Why C)-197: We all have the right to support whomever we want to but why always play the race card? I agree certain players who deserved to be selected are not in the squad. We have a saying in Cape Town; los hulle – die K_K gaan sput wana ons verloor.
2 Jun 2012, 23:22 pm
Come back, PDivvie, all is forgiven!
So this is the Springbok gameplan.
The forwards will rumble slowly forward. They are forwards, after all. Passing? That’s exclusively for wind. Then the scrumhalf will stand over the ball for a while, looking left, right, and left again, before passing to the backs, who will distribute the ball very slowly, running towards the sideline all the time until they are tackled. Because they are so slow, this will give the forwards time to catch up with them, and the process will start from scratch. Flair? What dat?
Pierre Spies will be the captain, because Heyneke knows his big dark secret, which will be revealed in Huisgenoot and You next week: Pierre has never learnt to pass a rugby ball! Yes, you heard it here first, although you may have reached that very same conclusion just by watching him play. He also cannot pass an opposing player, but being very bulky makes that particular limitation more bearable. And as Pierre never lets go of the ball, he should be the captain.
I am seriously thinking of giving PDivvie a call… or Straeuli. Maybe even Danie Craven and his loyal dog Bliksem. Anybody got a Ouija board for sale??
2 Jun 2012, 23:22 pm
HM hasn’t selected the best form players but as coach hes selected who he thinks best fits into his “project”. Prepare yourselves for the most boring style ever. NZ are going to walk over us. One only needs to compare how Crusaders are playing now compared to Stormers/Bulls. Out of the 15 who he is most likely going to choose is there any real speed besides Spies and Habana?
2 Jun 2012, 23:22 pm
@lepel(lepel)-219:
2 Jun 2012, 23:24 pm
@liefling(liefling)-224:
Lambie and Alberts
2 Jun 2012, 23:24 pm
@Meerkatte(phil72)-218: We have some potential youngsters. Mapoe showed today that there is still something there. Paul Jordaan definitely has some ability. But not much at present. JdJ could’ve really benefitted from playing outside Frans Steyn… good player.
2 Jun 2012, 23:24 pm
I’ll accept nothing less than a 3-0 win over England on home soil. This isnt the 2002/03 vintage we’re talking about, it’s a bunch of emerging northern hemisphere test match journeymen with a couple dangerous players included. I’m already indignant over the selection so if we lose over in Durbs I’ll really be feeling low about Bok rugby.
2 Jun 2012, 23:26 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-211: Kolisi and Aplon is a shock not to be in the Bok team. Never ever thought I would say this, but Brussow has been a shaddow of himself. Not the same player of yesteryear really. JdJ has had his moments. Not the very best and if JdV is captain, well that is it. He will play 13 as we all know Fransie will be our number one inside centre from here on. Only game he will miss is the 3rd test as he gets married on that day.
2 Jun 2012, 23:27 pm
@RL(RL)-214: de Villiers picked from a WC winning team what was good for the COUNTRY as a whole and was ridden by the sentiment that clouded his own philosophy from within without any provincialism bias.. this clown has got blue bewildered glasses covering his eyesight
Kirchner – Basson over Aplon
Engelbrecht – Olivier over De Jongh
Potgieter – Kankowski – Spies over Kolisi and Brussow
Naah I don’t think he knows whats what.. and if FdP or Matfield would have been available they would have been captain ,.. right there is where the rot is too thick to chop…
2 Jun 2012, 23:27 pm
Lets not forget England was the 6N winner. Assuming they will be a pushover for the Boks may be a fatal assumption. Meyer sal moet raakvat met sy spankeause.
2 Jun 2012, 23:28 pm
@lepel(lepel)-227:
The closest thing in my opinion is converting JP Pietersen or JJ Engelbrecht, but neither off the currently shining….
2 Jun 2012, 23:29 pm
@nama1(nama1)-210: Maybe tell your mates he’s gone for size, rightly or wrongly that’swhat he believes in, if he can be accused of anything it’s being a “sizest”, but i don’t think that suits your little agenda does it? You’re just burning to scream out the “R” word.
Your petticoat is showing, as usual.
2 Jun 2012, 23:31 pm
Fourie probably never wanted the captaincy or the pressure playing in SA again right now. That could be the cause he has not been selected. He could just be enjoying his rugby in Japan and no pressure at all. I personally don’t blame him. He has done it all. Time for new young player to get a chance. So if that is the case. RESPECT to FdP totally.
2 Jun 2012, 23:31 pm
@Meerkatte(phil72)-218: Our entire backline stocks in this country are ordinary in fact especially centres and fullback. Where are our devastating wings? We have wings with certain great attributes like Mvovo’s pace or Basson under the high ball but no complete X-factor packages. We’re stuck with Ndungane’s still playing for our some of our strongest teams. Thats not a slight on them, they’re just dependable players offering very little in attack.
2 Jun 2012, 23:32 pm
For me: Lambie, Pietersen, de Villiers, de Jongh, Habana, Grant, Hougaard, Vermeulen, Burger, Kokisi, Bekker
2 Jun 2012, 23:32 pm
Puma, why cant Frans play the 3rd test and get married the same day? I mean, there is enough time for that after the game – it is just a question of priorities!
2 Jun 2012, 23:33 pm
@Dwarslat(Dwarslat)-231: Maybe two years ago but I think you’ll find Wales won the 6nations this year.
2 Jun 2012, 23:36 pm
@Puma(Puma)-234: Fourie is the highest played rugby player in the world playing for his Japanese club. His contract will be very restrictive but I’m sure he doesn’t mind too much.
2 Jun 2012, 23:37 pm
@SpiesIsWorthless(SpiesIsWorthless)-235:
We dont have wings and Centers like ABs have
2 Jun 2012, 23:38 pm
@SpiesIsWorthless(SpiesIsWorthless)-235:
Fullback a problem, but Hougaard, Engelbrecht, Habana and Pietersen World class wings. We need Du Preez back at scrumhalf with Goosen slotting in at 10 and Frans Steyn at 12…. but nothing at 13… Loosies we have plenty and tight 5 also sorted (for the future)
2 Jun 2012, 23:39 pm
I personally don’t think with these players we will lose to England. Just far too much top talent there. Sure some brilliant talent has been left out and that was expected. Some players left out was a total shock, but we will still beat this England side with the players selected. The question is will we beat our greatest rivals the ABs in the RC at FNB stadium? That is the game I want us to make a statement. Want us to be totally dominant. We should be with the players we have.
Could Meyer be waiting until after the S15? Does he really want our top team to have a chance to win there? I know that is speculation, but what the heck, why not? Is he shrewd? He could be. I expect more Stormer players selected for the RC after ther S15. So wait you lot let us see first. Meyer could be shrewd and and will have a plan, well that is what I think. He is a smart coach and let us just give him time before we have anymore to say right now.
2 Jun 2012, 23:39 pm
I’m out boys.
Loving the fact that Heineken is giving the Stellenboschelite the big fat FU.
Can’t wait to see the wounded brokebacks fight back through the press – starting just about now – getting their stories ready just in time to go to press.
2 Jun 2012, 23:40 pm
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-240: They’ve jsut got such a production line. Sonny Bill is looking tremendous this season, then they’ve got a guy like Savea coming through who’s massive, quick and has a nasty fend. They also seem to have a decent new generation of scrum-halves
Their forwards are weaker though with the likes of Kaino and Thorn moving on
2 Jun 2012, 23:41 pm
@Meerkatte(phil72)-241: Goosen is injured and out for about 6 months. So we need to move on and think ahead.
2 Jun 2012, 23:43 pm
@Puma(Puma)-245:
Happy with Steyn doing the job at the moment, but nothing coming to mind at outside centre and fullback…..
2 Jun 2012, 23:47 pm
@Meerkatte(phil72)-241: Really encouraged about Goosen and I agree the likes of Hougaard,F Steyn are world class. Engelbrecht is still untested and we dont yet know if he has the goods. Also, Habana and Pietersen may have pedigree and experience but they are too entrenchened in the team imo, and no longer feared on attack. There’s not enough competition all round and depth to replace or spur on our established back-line talent.
2 Jun 2012, 23:51 pm
@Meerkatte(phil72)-246: Still early days for Meyer. I have no doubt we will see a very different Bok team come the RC.
Honestly what did we expect of Meyer right now? He has only ONE week with the players. He was surely gonna select players that have played together before. I am NOT surprised. Only surprised that there is no Aplon or Kolisi to be really honest. Thought they would have made the squad also probably JdJ. Other than that not surprised by the selection at all. The biggest surprise is NO FdP that we were all lead to believe he was gonna be Bok Captain. That is the biggest surprise. For now the front runner for Captaincy will be JdV or Spies. Really don’t rate Spies and honestly hope it is not him. Otherwise we may be stuck with him.
2 Jun 2012, 23:54 pm
What did poor Dewalt P and Dean G do wrong to not make the Boks? Poor guys must be devastated.
2 Jun 2012, 23:59 pm
@RL(RL)-243:
Well I’m happy for you if you think that JJ, Wynand and Sideshow Bob are the players you want to see in the Bok team.
But hey, if I’m not mistaken, you changed your name to Red Bull not so long ago so you must be quite happy.
3 Jun 2012, 00:02 am
Hmmm… Rapport breaks the news that Keo’s quit as a bigwig at Highbury Safrika Media, as the Olympic Games media main-man, and that he has a vicious coke habit and hangs out with shady ladies…
A snow job?
3 Jun 2012, 00:06 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-251:
Post a link or it didn’t happen…
3 Jun 2012, 00:06 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-251: New respect for Mark!
3 Jun 2012, 00:07 am
This Clown got absolutely NO f’ng clue
Kirchner / Lambie over Aplon – WRONG
Olivier over JdJ (Engelbrecht I rate at 13 or wing as a blind banker) but not ahead of JdJ who should go to 12. – WRONG
Frans Steyn gonna be owned by Farrel and Tuigilagi , watch
And Kankowski / Potgieter / Daniel / Coetsee / Alberts over Brussow and Kolisi – WRONG again
Hougaard – Vermaak / Steyn got done by Duvenhage – Shreuder / Grant who were on the back foot all night but they gonna start vs England
England could surprise this fool – lets see he got what it takes to lose against a second rate NH outfit at home playing his blind man bluff games.
3 Jun 2012, 00:10 am
http://www.rapport.co.za/Suid-Afrika/Nuus/Keohane-van-sy-kop-af-weens-kokaien-20120602
3 Jun 2012, 00:15 am
That’s why Mark started supporting the Bulls. He and Joost used to hang out at the titty-bar, snorting it up in the toilets. Good to know you guys are human.
3 Jun 2012, 00:24 am
Not an exciting squad to be sure. The selection of Kirchner and Olivier is very timid. One can only hope it is a stopgap comfy blanket decision.
3 Jun 2012, 00:27 am
I honestly don’t know whether I should laugh or cry. The early signs of HM’s tenure is very disturbing to say the least. Talk about bringing VM back, then it was FdP (which could all have been speculation, but I think not because all of a sudden VM is back as sideline com after he went missing to practice probably) but now a full-on view of his 1st squad selection. If the gameplan is still kick chase, Brussow and Kolisi is absolutely critical to the cause, as basically we are planning to score in multiples of 3 with a try seen as bonus. It doesn’t realy matter who you pick at 8 (even Spies), these 2 will be merciless in defense and a constant threat on the ground. For the life of me, I cant justify Potgieter and KANKOWSI (wtf?) making it if that is the gameplan. For the Boks to win, we need the penalties and we’ll get them with Kolisi stopping everything behind the adv line and Brussow contesting. Can’t see it with the other loosies picked. Coetzee maybe. And why on earth is Gio left out? He should be starting. Oh man…long season ahead?
3 Jun 2012, 00:30 am
Obviously, I was talking with the 4N’s in mind and not the Eng series. We should have enough firepower for Eng. NZ and AUS will be a hard day at the office with this squad.
3 Jun 2012, 00:31 am
@garth(garth)-255: Keo threatend to take out Heineken – but the broederbond took him out first. Now Heineken can build his team in peace without having to worry about that coke dwarf. ;grin:
North 1 South 0
3 Jun 2012, 00:34 am
HM is so mal soos n wildebeest op coke.
3 Jun 2012, 00:38 am
@UptheGuts(UptheGuts)-258:
What is clear many of us on here seem to be saying much of the same
Are we all wrong and HM right ?
I guess he has to live with his selections
Some are just pure crazy
he had the opportunity to reward a really good player (who is not white too)
into the squad The other 2 who you and many mention
Pietersen should be there before Kirshner
Aplon there before JJ
Jdj ther before WO (WTF?)
Brussow and Kolisi there before kanko and potgieter (why do we need 4 number 8s with Spies Daniel Alberts and kanko?)
Yes I know Daniels and Alberts can be 7
Vermaak? when you have Pienaar and Hougaard?
And at 10 I think grant is better and more experienced than Jaaitjies
3 Jun 2012, 00:39 am
I could actualy stomach Keegan at 8, if he played alongside Kolisi and Brussow. He would be one of our more skilled loosies around, imo. Alongside anyone else his size becomes a real liability, especially showpony and future Bok captain Spies
3 Jun 2012, 00:39 am
And just when I was starting to take Nikita seriously.
Mark, how could you?
3 Jun 2012, 00:41 am
@UptheGuts(UptheGuts)-263:
Kolisi and Brussow both basically 6′s, kolisi can play 7
I would love to see Brussow Alberts and Daniels at 8
And then have kolisi on the bench
Alberts could move to 8 too
3 Jun 2012, 00:43 am
@UptheGuts(UptheGuts)-263:
yes just lucky vermeulen is not fit
Oh sorry i forgot he is not a bull
3 Jun 2012, 00:46 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-262: I had such high hopes for the Boks this year. New season, new beginnings and all that. I could understand leaving out Kolisi, if seen in isolation because he is young still and have a long Bok career ahead of him I feel. But when you look at the other crazy selections, like you mentioned, it irks even more. We have just spent 4 years debating the Bok coach’s competence. De Javu anyone?
3 Jun 2012, 00:46 am
@JockBok(JockBok)-252: http://www.rapport.co.za/Suid-Afrika/Nuus/Keohane-van-sy-kop-af-weens-kokaien-20120602 (Use Google Translate if you must)
Looks like promoting Luke Wotsup and the Southern Kinks is his only income now.
3 Jun 2012, 00:47 am
@IAAS(I am a stormer)-264: Hey, Joost showed him that move…
3 Jun 2012, 00:49 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-266: It does have that feel to it doesn’t it? The Bully Boks. Well, the rest of the world wanted to put that tag on us for years and now they can.
3 Jun 2012, 00:49 am
@UptheGuts(UptheGuts)-267:
i think lambie was younger when he started
I dont know if M Coetzee is much older.
So I would have give him a shot or at least in the squad
3 Jun 2012, 00:51 am
@UptheGuts(UptheGuts)-270:
its quiet possible you could have 4-5 Bull starting backs and 4-5 bull starting forwards with HM?
3 Jun 2012, 00:55 am
coke, crumpet and cockeyed f’ng coaches, nah this rugby business is going up in smoke… I think maybe I had enough already., maybe its time to start thinking about copping out
3 Jun 2012, 00:55 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-262:
There aren’t too many surprises there.
I’ve had my one on one with Heyneke and all the names he mentioned featured.
No Brussouw – too many penalties – it counted against him
Kirchner was always his no. 1 FB.
Frans was his no.12- but undecided at 13 – JDV probably.
Juandre at 5 – now that Bekker’s out.
Kanko he rates as an impact player – he will be in the starting 22 – impressed him at the Sharks camp – I knew hw would make it.
Alberts – likes him as an 8 and rates Marcel Coetzee as well.
3 Jun 2012, 00:56 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-265: The first time I heard his name was on Keo about 1,5 yr ago. His, Etsebeth and Karemaker’s names were thrown around here quite a bit. And the very first time I saw him this year, I knew the reps he got was not over-hyped. He sure is an awesome player. He makes me think…Michael Jones, Jerome Kaino of the last year or so. We could do with one of those. Fckn Meyer and his Bulls biased agenda
3 Jun 2012, 00:56 am
One has to wonder who he will start at 6
M Coetzee?
Potgieter ( is he not a 7)
Daniels maybe? (he prefers 8)
Alberts is a 7 or 8
Kanko and Spies are 8?
3 Jun 2012, 00:57 am
Great effort – keo going down in a blaze of glory.
3 Jun 2012, 00:58 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-272: That would be funny if it weren’t so sad! AND quite possible too!
3 Jun 2012, 01:00 am
Many I dont rate in there, but who am I to know these players potential.
I give HM the benefit of the doubt, lets see how things go.
My feeling is you’ll be wishing for Jake White back within 2 years.
Let’s see. Hope HM really is the coach you all rate him to be.
The ultimate test starts now.
3 Jun 2012, 01:00 am
@IAAS(I am a stormer)-274:
Kirshner really?
Bismark and others also give away penalties.
kanko (just like Spies) But if he likes them thats his call
Kruger yes for sure at 5 even ahead of bekker
Estebeth at 4 (I hope)
No problems with Coetzee and Alberts
3 Jun 2012, 01:01 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-269:
Nothing is what it seems to be.
3 Jun 2012, 01:01 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-276: We already give so much away by selecting either Kanko or Spies, so definitely not the 2 of them together. Probably Potgieter, Alberts, Spies
3 Jun 2012, 01:02 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-276:
yeah just read what IAAS said
3 Jun 2012, 01:03 am
@UptheGuts(UptheGuts)-282:
Potgieter is not a bad player actually Plays his heart out
3 Jun 2012, 01:03 am
@UptheGuts(UptheGuts)-282:
i am not sure he is a true 6?
3 Jun 2012, 01:04 am
@RL(RL)-260: North 15 South 19
3 Jun 2012, 01:05 am
Potgieter ahead of kolisi is a ridiculous especially with the quota story
3 Jun 2012, 01:06 am
@Mike H(Mike H)-279: Herein lies the problem. Potential got f-all to do with it. My bet, Olivier and Kirchner would be at the top of the list of players you don’t rate. Guess what? They’ll probably be at the top of everyone’s list, bar the diehard Bull supporter. We have already seen what they bring to our int’l game… a big fat Fck-all. Why bring them back?
3 Jun 2012, 01:07 am
i would have added Brussow in the squad for insurance even if he was not in 22
He would have replaced kanko we did not need 4 # 8s and be limited at 6
3 Jun 2012, 01:10 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-280:
I was at a breakfast where HM spoke last Friday. Kirchner was his starting 15. Lambie he says is a better 15 than 10 but guess where Sharks are playing him.
And he rates Alberts as an 8.
HM choices as 8 are if all fit and ready to go:
Vermeulen – out injured
Alberts – being played at 7 by the Sharks
Spies- a woeful sad 3rd spot.
3 Jun 2012, 01:11 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-284: I think so too. He’s a grafter and probably what you need if you’re going to make Spies your captain. It’s a disgrace realy! How long you reckon before HM is called a clown?
3 Jun 2012, 01:15 am
@UptheGuts(UptheGuts)-291: I reckon about 3 minutes. HM is a clown!
3 Jun 2012, 01:15 am
@IAAS(I am a stormer)-290: And he said as much? Nothing against you, but I’ll believe that when I see it. Probably for rest of us who can’t afford to have breakfast witth our new coach
, all things point to Spies starting. Probably as captain too.
3 Jun 2012, 01:15 am
Good squad. Glad to see Meyer has not included any of the small pretenders that are de Jongh, Aplon, Joe Pietersen and Ebersohn – there is no place for little guys in modern test rugby.
Strange selection is Franco v/d Merwe, he is no test lock.
Obvious omissions from the squad are Brussouw, Kolisi, Elstadt, Josh Strauss and CJ Stander.
Given the squad my match 22 would be:
15. Lambie 14. Mvovo 13. JP 12. Frans 11. Habana 10. Jantjies 9. Hougaard 1. Beast 2. Bismark 3. Jannie 4. Flip 5. Etzebeth 6. Coetzee 7. J.Potgieter 8. Spies 16. Pienaar 17. Jean 18. JJ.Engelbrecht 19. Coenie 20. Chiliboy 21. J.Kruger 22. Daniel
3 Jun 2012, 01:16 am
@UptheGuts(UptheGuts)-291: I reckon about 5 minutes. HM is a clown!
3 Jun 2012, 01:20 am
@garth(garth)-292: I just can’t believe we are back to debating the national coach’s competency. And with the squad selected, his competency needs debating if you ask me. Pis ses me off just thinking about it.
3 Jun 2012, 01:21 am
Want to be a world beating side…
Select Bulls and Sharks, add a couple of Lions and CHeetahs and complete the circle with a few Stormers…
Sounds good to me…
Well done Heyneke for not being taken in by the Cape Town hype…
Select majority with ballas and ability… Only 2 50/50 selections Im not happy with: Donkey and Spies… But good on ya Meyer…
Honest rugby fans behind you 100%
3 Jun 2012, 01:25 am
P P P P P P P POP!
3 Jun 2012, 01:25 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-297: The Cape Town hype beat your loser girls in pink for a second time this year.
3 Jun 2012, 01:27 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-297: So you’d have Kircner instead of Gio? WO instead of JdJ. And who the fck is this JJ kid? What has he done to be included. But you’re happy with your 12 Sharks selections huh? Probably more frustrating for me about this selection, is the gameplan it represents. Kick high and hope for the best. Pretty much what we’ve been doing for the past 9 years. Shame on you
3 Jun 2012, 01:29 am
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-185:
You did not see the smiley?
I’m not surprised. I mean, you Shark supporters are the only people who are allowed to say things “tongue in cheek” or “make jokes” or some such kak.
What’s wrong with you people? Is it because the Lions beat you?
Here’s another smiley. See if you can understand what I’m doing here. Make that two vokken smileys. Just for you.
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-189:
“you never saw the natal Folk turning against their own”
Now where, in anything that I said, did YOU see me turning against my own? I asked for help to explain the selection of HM to my anti-Bok bretheren.
You did not come up with any help. Instead, you “attack” me.
I guess you can’t explain the selections yourself.
So, in any case, tomorrow, oormorrow (as oom Pik once said) and for the following week, I’ll try and defend HM’s decisions on my own. No thanks to you and other fools.
Thanks for nothing.
@hensopper1(hensopper1)-195:
OK, if I tell them YOU said they must go and F.U.C.K themselves, they will just turn around and tell me to tell you, JOU MA SE PO*S.
What do I do then.
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-211:
“3 players for me that is shocking is, Brussouw, Kolisi and Aplon, JDJ has been ok this year but nothing great’
Strange…I ask a question about 3 of the 4 players you mentioned…yet you question me.
How does that work?
@Clanerk(Clanerk)-233:
If you can bring me ONE post, in all these years that I’ve been here, where I “scream out the “R” word,” I would appreciate it.
If you can give me ONE good reason why HM selected Kirchner, Wynand, Kanko ahead of the three players I mentioned, I would appreciate it. Don’t even try and bring size into it because their size meant vokkol in Super rugby up to this point in time. (Dankie Baas Naas)
I always find it strange how some of you guys can jump to conclusions (based on nothing but colour) yet you deride people of colour when they do the same in certain circumstances.
So, **** you. Don’t even try and equate me with you.
3 Jun 2012, 01:31 am
@garth(garth)-299: He’s a Shark, I think. They had the misfortune of losing to the Lions. Fck me, even the Blues beat the Lions
3 Jun 2012, 01:31 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-297:
Howzit mate. P-town was a blast today. The Sharks doing ok?? Otherwise you wouldn’t be around.
3 Jun 2012, 01:33 am
White and Meyer same fckd up clowns
I’ve had it with Bok rugby ., reckon I might soon become another AB fan.., least I be rooting for a team that KNOWS wtf the object of the exercise surrounding this brawn over brains game is all about
Anybody see the Blues / Chiefs game this morning compared to the Bulls / Stormers closed out nonevent.., one was a game of rugby union., not quite sure what the other was about., something resembling stage fright on prom night or something along those lines.
3 Jun 2012, 01:34 am
When HM started talking about bringing Victor back, the writing was on the wall. Some were saying it’s too early to judge, wait for the squad selection announcement. Those same are now saying to wait for the first game. Once we lose that they will be saying, just wait for entire series, and then the 4N and then the EOYT.
The guy is plank and only managed to win the S14 because he was lucky enough to have some gifted players. Rassie, Eddie or Mallett would have been much better choices than this idiot.
3 Jun 2012, 01:36 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-265:
Alberts is nothing more than an impact player. He has proven that time and time again.
25-30 max…that’s his game in international rugby.
Brussow (6), Schalk/Kolisi (7), Keegan (8)
But as we can all see now, SA coaches don’t believe in a “fetcher”. They believe in a heavy loose trio who can “push” the opponents over their ball at a ruck.
…and people blamed Jake for saying that fetchers are there to bring him his beer or PdV for not selecting HB ahead of Schalk in the 1st place.
Damn… we have some interesting times ahead with the new joker in the pack.
3 Jun 2012, 01:39 am
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-304:
Stick around awhile, skop. HM will win you over. Give the man time. The guy’s team hasn’t even played it’s first test yet.
Reign yourself in.
3 Jun 2012, 01:40 am
Just voted its a great squad on the poll… I see from the results that are a few too many unthinking hysterical Camps Bay hairdressers putting their tuppence… They are wrong…
Its a great squad…
Go Meyer…
Honest Bok supporters 100% behind you Coach!
3 Jun 2012, 01:41 am
outtahere for now… back to talk some sense to the hormonals later
3 Jun 2012, 01:44 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-308:
Did the loss to the Lions traumatize you that much?
3 Jun 2012, 01:46 am
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-304: I’m sorry but don’t agree with that BS. The Australasians already think they’re the only ones who knows how to play the game properly. Give me the Bok game, coached properly of course any day of the week. Seeing the likes of Richard Bands or Andre Venter in full flight, there is nothing like it. Brussow digging fot the ball. And the likes of Morne or Frans for that matter sending them thru the uprights, time after time…And you know what is the ultimate, Graham fckn Henry moaning about technology and the quality of the balls. He fails to see that Dan Carter was kicking with the same ball. Nah, mate just like the game was made for all shapes and sizes, there is various ways of getting the job done. The problem is with variation. The Crusaders kick the most but can vary their game so it still looks attractive. It’s SA teams ineffective ability to rather look for someone to run into than look for space that makes us look inept.
3 Jun 2012, 01:47 am
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-304:
Come on Skop.
No need to drop the Boks because of some fool/s. Too much history there for somebody like you. I mean, I’ve only been a Bok supporter for the last 5 years really, but I’m not going to allow the Broederfukkingbond and it’s cohorts to change my mind now.
These fokkers probably feel like it is kick back for the four years that they had to “endure” PdV.
Let’s support the Boks DESPITE what we perceive/KNOW to be K.A.K. going on in front of our eyes.
3 Jun 2012, 01:50 am
@UptheGuts(UptheGuts)-311: I mean, there is nothing “All Black” about the way the Cheetahs play, is there? Why I was so hoping Heyneke get Hawies on board. Would’ve been good for our game I feel
3 Jun 2012, 01:51 am
@nama1(nama1)-312:
Yeah i agree
I still think we have the players to beat Poms 3-0
3 Jun 2012, 01:52 am
@UptheGuts(UptheGuts)-311:
NZ and Australia are the two best sides in the world so they must know a thing or two, new AB squad looks very good, pace power and plenty of new blood for the future.
3 Jun 2012, 01:54 am
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-304:
Also Skoppie Stormers can rest their players for 3 weeks now for the rest of the super 15 and the home final
3 Jun 2012, 01:54 am
The new Bokke squad is weaker than previous years so I think they could have some serious niggle this year, can’t Meyer announce his captain what a shambles.
3 Jun 2012, 01:58 am
Keohane ‘van sy kop af’ weens kokaïen
Jacques Pauw
Die rugbyskrywer Mark Keohane het Vrydag as woordvoerder van die Olimpiese span van Suid-Afrika bedank, ure nadat Rapport hom gekonfronteer het met bewerings dat hy dwelms misbruik en ’n sekspes is.
Voormalige vrouewerknemers van Keohane sê hy ly aan ’n “jammerlike kokaïen-verslawing”, gebruik prostitute en teister vroue seksueel.
Verskeie gewese werknemers van Keohane het die afgelope twee jaar soortgelyke bewerings oor Keohane gemaak in onder meer klagtes by die Kommissie vir Versoening, Bemiddeling en Arbitrasie (KVBA).
Dié en ander bewerings oor Keohane doen tans die ronde onder sportskrywers en word selfs op die sosiale netwerk Twitter gemaak.
Vrydagmiddag het Keohane, drie ure nadat Rapport hom gekonfronteer het, gesê hy het Tubby Reddy, uitvoerende hoof van die Suid-Afrikaanse Sportfederasie en Olimpiese Komitee (Saskok), in kennis gestel hy bedank as woordvoerder en gaan nie meer in Julie Londen toe nie.
Hy het ook bedank as ’n direkteur van Highbury Safika Media (HSM).
In dié hoedanigheid was hy in beheer van 30 tydskrifte, asook die bekroonde webwerf keo.co.za, wat jaarliks 700 000 besoekers van 220 lande lok.
Hy is die skrywer van verskeie boeke en is al as sportskrywer van die jaar aangewys.
Keohane het aan Rapport gesê daar is ’n “agenda” teen hom en hy bedank omdat hy nie kan toelaat dat “ongelukkige en haatdraende voormalige werknemers die geloofwaardigheid van HSM en Saskok ondermyn nie”.
Verskeie vrouewerknemers van HSM het die afgelope twee jaar dié maatskappy en Keohane by die KVBA verkla en beweer hulle is seksueel geteister en was slagoffers van sy dwelmmisbruik.
HSM het met hulle geskik en uitbetalings aan hulle gemaak, maar as deel van die skikking moes hulle ’n ooreenkoms onderteken dat hulle geen besonderhede van die eise en bewerings bekend sou maak nie.
Van die bewerings wat teen Keohane gemaak word, is:
* Hy het ’n personeellid aan die begin van die Super14-reeks in 2010 in ’n losie seksueel geteister en haar glo probeer soen. Keohane het daarna gesê hy het haar bloot uitgevra.
* Keohane het sy motor in November 2009 afgeskryf nadat hy glo twee dae lank onder die invloed van kokaïen was.
* Hy het glo ná die ongeluk sy leefstyl probeer verander, maar het ’n maand later weer kokaïen gebruik.
* Tydens die jaarlikse SAB-sporttoekennings in 2009 in Johannesburg het Keohane en verskeie ander sportskrywers glo voor die geleentheid groot hoeveelhede kokaïen gebruik. Ná die tyd het hulle drie prostitute gehuur.
Nog een van Keohane se gewese werknemers, wat ’n bestuurspos beklee het, het aan Rapport gesê dit is bekend dat Keohane dikwels “van sy kop af was” weens sy gebruik van kokaïen
(Rapport, 2012-06-02 23:38)
3 Jun 2012, 01:59 am
@nama1(nama1)-306:
You know with kolisi in the squad and even in the 22 i think it would have been amazing for the up and coming black player s to see that they can be rewarded by a bok coach if they deserve a place
its a shame Very short sighted
3 Jun 2012, 02:03 am
@nama1(nama1)-312:
Nah the broederbonders already had their 100 years of gift wrapped indiscretion
Now they want 100 more.., enoughs enough
If they want carte blanche to drive their closed minded agenda let em lose to the bleekbene that’ll be starry eyed satisfaction enough
Potgieter – Kankowski – Spies over Kolisi
Yeah this doos got insight alright.., pity its only England next week.., he needs a big loss to NZ straight up to set his blind blue battered eyesight straight
3 Jun 2012, 02:05 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-319:
Its going to cost you as well, PDV here we go again but as Meyer is white it’ll take longer to destroy him in the press etc but it looks like it might happen.
3 Jun 2012, 02:06 am
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-320:
We’d be happy to arrange that for you.
3 Jun 2012, 02:06 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-321:
There are a lot of upset people her right now but we have 22 players who can do well
3 Jun 2012, 02:08 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-323:
Yes plenty of talent and you should beat the Poms 3 nil but coach its not the Poms you need to worry about.
3 Jun 2012, 02:10 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-324:
he will realize his mistakes and we will see a new squad for ABs and Oz
This is only the squad for Poms
3 Jun 2012, 02:11 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-315: Not what I was saying at all. Just that on the occassion that the Boks get it right with fwds running hard and backs actualy knowing what to do with quality ball, together with uncompromising defense, there is nothing like it. Not even the 2 best teams in world rugby knows what to do with that when it happens. Few and far between tho in the last couple of seasons.
3 Jun 2012, 02:11 am
@UptheGuts(UptheGuts)-311:
“Seeing the likes of Richard Bands…”
One try… running Richie in his moer and Bands must go down as a legend.
Really???
What else do you remember about that fat oke? Scrumming the opposition in their moer?
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-317:
After nearly THREE months in charge the man still don’t know who his captain will be!!! Tell you everything there is to know about him.
Bet he’ll make JdV captain, after consulting with Matfield, Spies, FdP… for the simple reason as not to alienate the rest of SA.
Don’t think that the Cheetah supporters are chuffed about the fact that Brussow is not in the squad.
Vokken Blou Bokke.
They’ll have some success, of that I have no doubt. Will he be able to get ALL south Africans behind his team?
Therein lies the question.
All the good work that PdV did in getting support for the Boks across the South African population, has been undone tonight by Heyneke Meyer in one night.
3 Jun 2012, 02:18 am
@nama1(nama1)-327: It was Carlos Spencer actualy and who said anything about legends? Only when we have a proper coach with a more holistic gameplan, playing total rugby, do we get to see Bokrugby at its best. And when it happens, it’s a sight to behold… That’s all
3 Jun 2012, 02:19 am
Wasn’t Jaques Pauw the guy who once “investigated” the existence of a nuclear bomb the size of a tennis ball???
I know he and Max were the guys who exposed the Nats for what they really were…he also got the scoop on the Dirk Coetzee revelations (providing it’s the same guy).
Now, why would he bother to “reveal” the “drug use” of a sports bussinessman?
Who the **** is behind all this trying to bring Mark down?
Mark, you know that you have your supporters (I’m one). Don’t go down without a fight.
3 Jun 2012, 02:23 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-325:
Fair enough but not a lot of time to get organised consistency of selection usually pays dividends, can he not announce his captain or does he still not know?
Ok, did you see the try the Chiefs scored the rest of the world are light years behind NZ in back play long may that continue.
@nama1(nama1)-327:
Agreed he needs to show his players and the supporters he knows exactly whats he’s doing, so far we have heard Matfield and FDP will play and be captains and now he announces his squad neither there and no captain unprofessional if you ask me could you imagine the AB team announcement sorry we haven’t decided on our captain yet.
3 Jun 2012, 02:25 am
“Bjorn Basson, JJ Engelbrecht, Bryan Hasbeena, Elton Jantjies, Zane Kirchner, Lwazi Mvovo.”
English must be ka-kking in their pants seeing these superstars line up for Boks next week!
3 Jun 2012, 02:30 am
From a NZ perspective…..its a good squad. I would have liked to have seen Vermeulen and Brussow. IMHO Francois Houggard has to be the halfback, no question. The Bokke coach has a plan and he’s chosen the players he believes can execute that plan. Its going to be the set piece’s he’s going to target, with guys like Houggard sniping in & around the fringes. If you guys haven’t already noticed, but, Aust & NZ don’t really do a rolling mauls from set pieces, you guys are the best at it. Now, the Bokke forwards can incorporate their rolling mauls into back play, then we’re in trouble this year.
3 Jun 2012, 02:32 am
Got to feel for the Ebersohn Bros not even get a mention. Jantjies over Grant and Ebersohn?
3 Jun 2012, 02:36 am
Heyneke already showed he can’t pick a team to save his life. Now, all that is left to see if he has anything resembling a plan other than the one we’ve been force-fed for the last 10 years. Saturday against ENG will clear that up and probably any misgivings I might have for the Boks’ future. I’ll join skop, in throwing in the towel if the only things we want to do is the scissors and highball. They can all go fck themselves after that.
3 Jun 2012, 02:36 am
Remember, Heineken the Mayor only won two out of his first 22 matches at Super Rugby level. He doesn’t hit the ground running — he hits the ground snoring.
3 Jun 2012, 02:37 am
This is just sick man.
I thought the new coach will save Bok rugby and immediately
Brussow our best fetcher is left out. WTF is Aplon and Kolis?
Heindrik looks like he is just another Bok moron coach.
Any bets on England winning the series?
Fok dit
3 Jun 2012, 02:38 am
@Boksarenumber4(Boksarenumber1)-336: Heyneke is jy op crack al weer?
3 Jun 2012, 02:41 am
Springbok rugby has always been dangerous when the team is running from depth, this whole fascination with flat line front foot ball is more to the liking of NZ and OZ. get your forwards to run from a mile out, around the cape and hit the line with all 120 plus kgs at breakneck speed.
3 Jun 2012, 02:42 am
@gecko(gecko)-3:
Looks like we gonna have to shoot Heyneke. No Brussow?
The boer is on crack
3 Jun 2012, 02:44 am
@slow114(slow114)-4:
If Wynand puts on a Bok shirt and plays i will give up supporting the Boks
3 Jun 2012, 02:46 am
Gotta say this HG’s predictions are uncanny. The Stormers got no bonus point and the Sharks were involved in a 5 pointer. He is borderline psychic.
3 Jun 2012, 02:48 am
Brussouw, Kolisi, Stander, these three could beat the Boks if they assembled a SA “B” team to play tomorrow, why? Because these are the only true ball fetchers in SA and they’re all watching the game from home. Imagine, Pocock, McCaw and Dusautoir all being dropped, only in South Africa can this happen to their best players.
3 Jun 2012, 02:48 am
@CSI:Rugby(CSI:Rugby)-338: Defenses alot better nowadays. That’d be easy pickings…seen from a mile out. Quick ruck ball probably better but honestly the problem lies at the back. We need backs who actualy knows how to use space. If we’re matched upfront, usualy there is nowhere to go. Other than putting up another high one of course
3 Jun 2012, 02:50 am
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-37:
Are you smoking what Heyneke is smoking?
3 Jun 2012, 02:51 am
@UptheGuts(UptheGuts)-328:
“Only when we have a proper coach with a more holistic gameplan, playing total rugby, do we get to see Bokrugby at its best. And when it happens, it’s a sight to behold…”
When did we last have that?
Nick Mallet vs France?
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-335:
You are enjoying this, don’t you?
We’ll moer the **** out of you if Meyer gets his kop out of the Bulls combined arses.
3 Jun 2012, 02:52 am
@CSI:Rugby(CSI:Rugby)-342:
Thats the truth man, its a really sad day for us Bok supporters.
We are the ones who get kicked in the balls
3 Jun 2012, 02:54 am
You know you must really be cak if you play for the Bulls and did not make the Bok squad.
3 Jun 2012, 02:55 am
Leaving out Brussow is not criminal its retarded
3 Jun 2012, 02:55 am
@Boksarenumber4(Boksarenumber1)-336:
“WTF is Aplon and Kolis?”
Nie groot genoeg nie. Jy moet soos ‘n Boer gebou wees om Meyer se span te haal.
Dis die kort en die lank van die storie.
Breyton sou ook nie sy span gehaal het nie.
3 Jun 2012, 02:59 am
@Boksarenumber4(Boksarenumber1)-348:
Hy’s nie groot genoeg nie. Ten minste is Meyer “consistent”
Bloemfontein se Boertjies is om een of ander rede kleiner as die in Tswane.
3 Jun 2012, 03:03 am
Win the first test is primary goal, series is secondary, development and depth is the outcome. With no real opensiders playing, HM better pray that it is not bucketing down next weekend, because I can only imagine the rise smile on the English number 7s mug. Quite possibly, a smile of discontent from Brussouw, Kolisi and Stander.
3 Jun 2012, 03:06 am
@CSI:Rugby(CSI:Rugby)-351: Wry, not “rise”.
3 Jun 2012, 03:06 am
@nama1(nama1)-349:
Heyneke moet ophou boom rook
3 Jun 2012, 03:09 am
@CSI:Rugby(CSI:Rugby)-351:
England have a great chance of winning the series with a team like this
3 Jun 2012, 03:09 am
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-196:
boks should beat the english. that is no measure of this team it is simply a nice warmup for the real championship when we play the aussies kiwis and argies. if we dont finish 1st or second in that comp then heyneke’s first season will be a failure. simple as that.
3 Jun 2012, 03:09 am
Tackler, cheers, tried that, spell check kept changing it, so I went with rise. Grammatically wrong, but a smile nonetheless.
3 Jun 2012, 03:09 am
@nama1(nama1)-329: Well, Keo’s quit at HSM and the Olympics already… what’s left to “fight” for? Luke Wotsup? The Southern Kinks?
3 Jun 2012, 03:14 am
@nama1(nama1)-345: I almost can hear the cries floating over the sea from afar…. “bring back Snorre!” it sounds like… ‘Snorretjies, kom terug, oubaas se honne!”
3 Jun 2012, 03:15 am
people seem fairly accepting that brussouw has not been picked as he is not having a great season for cheetas. but he’s playing for the cheetas! he is trying to do too much in a beaten team.
brussouw has never let the boks down. going up against mccaw and pockock in the championship without brussouw will be asking to get nailed at the breakdown.
3 Jun 2012, 03:15 am
Fok dit, Meyer jou ma se ma
3 Jun 2012, 03:16 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-358:
Dont post ****, we dont want snor in our country and it looks like meyer is going to be snor 2
3 Jun 2012, 03:18 am
@CSI:Rugby(CSI:Rugby)-356:
3:17 in the morning is a bit too early for english lessons. Tell tackler to piss off
3 Jun 2012, 03:20 am
The problem with SA rugby is SARU
Fire those bums
3 Jun 2012, 03:20 am
@nama1(nama1)-345: Mate, I’m just as dissapointed as you. This is definitely not a good start. I won’t go as far as say that I saw Meyer as Bokrugby’s saviour, but hoped being the good man-manager and facilitator that he is, he would make us play our game and put everything in place to make it more than just a flash in the pan. Maybe he feels he have the personell to do that, I don’t think so, but he is the one that counts. According to me, and I take it you agree, he got it wrong. Kolisi would’ve been a worthwhile addition. So would Brussow. Leaving Gio out is another mistake but its not up to me. Now I’m just waiting to see the game he wants the Boks to play. If it a good one with the necessary variation, then he only needs to pick the right players which he’ll get to eventualy. If the gameplan is just more of the same, then no amount of Kolisi’s, Brussow or Aplons is going to win it on more than just the one off occurence.
3 Jun 2012, 03:23 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-315:
i agree NZ are the best team in the world, but i am not convinced aussie are the second best team. not sure who is. they are part of a chasing pack where any team could win on its day and homeground advantage being probably the biggest facto. boks, france, wales, aussie. those 4 are playing to be ABs runnersup.
3 Jun 2012, 03:25 am
heyneke’s squad selections would have sat a little easier had the bulls smoked the stormers yesterday. unforunately heyneke’s 13 boks could not manage it.
i guess what the selection say is ludeke is a kak coach and allister coetzee is a genius….
3 Jun 2012, 03:34 am
@munkiboi(munkiboi)-366: Probably more a case of who made it than who didn’t. Kirchner, WO, Kankowski, Spies, Vermaak, JJ Engelbrecht and to a lesser degree Potgieter are not the better players in their respective positions. The fact that they are all from Pretoria, a union HM have close ties with, makes it just worse. Especially if you look at who they are keeping out. And all of them bar the new caps have been tried and just could not cut it.
3 Jun 2012, 03:35 am
So all snot-skiets rants about FDP come to nought as I predicted!
Shock for mine is Mvovu over Aplon… no Brussouw (even in an average year he’s vital to Boks and Cheetahs) and a few others including JDJ…
But the most concerting is just how weak the loose-forwards and potential combo’s look compared to the Aussies and Kiwi’s with Schalk, Vermeulen and Smith out!
So I’m guessing JDV will be the interim captain until some youngsters start putting their hands up?
3 Jun 2012, 03:35 am
WHAT A DISASTER!!! Heyneke is completely insane! How to start off your time as coach on an even keel – NOT!!!! He is MAD to pick only three Stormers – Siya and Aplon have been two of the best players all year and JDJ is a whole lot better than than Olivier! I hope the backlash in the press is ferocious!
We are all desperate for the Springboks to have more black players in the team, to inspire and give hope to all those young guys playing rugby in the Eastern Cape – Siya more than gets there ON MERIT! For goodness sake, Schalk got injured and the Stormers barely noticed!!!! And last week against the Sharks, the Stormers struggled to dominate the tackle situation – who was missing? Kolisi!! He is going to be a legend, and is still young, but to pick Kankowski and not him is an INSULT!! Heyneke is a fool! Also MAD to leave Brussouw out, don’t know what he was thinking.
He’s just gone and scratched open up a whole lot of South-North wounds which I thought had healed up long ago. How else can you explain Kirchner, JJ, Olivier??? 99 out of 100 would say they are not there on merit. Perhaps he has a special quota for Bulls players – at least a third of the Springbok squad? Just wish he had stopped at 11! I am genuinely worried that we might lose 1 or even 2 games against the English with so many mediocre players in the squad and at least 4 game-changers left out. The only light point is that most of the Stormers now all get a month’s rest, which will be good for their S15 chances.
Ps. Does Heyneke have any public relations people? Because after this nonsense I would kill to have PdV back, mixed methaphors and all. He would never have picked the dros that Heyneke has, and would never have left out legends like Kolisi, Brussouw and Aplon.
3 Jun 2012, 03:37 am
just read the story about keo in the rapport, they say he is hooked on cocaine
3 Jun 2012, 03:45 am
@munkiboi(munkiboi)-359:
Who’s the “people?”
Bulls supporters?
Because afa I can see, most supporters don’t support his ommision.
@UptheGuts(UptheGuts)-364:
I hear you and understand what you are saying. The question is this: If we beat the English 3-0, does that mean that HM was right in selecting the squad that he announced tonight or did we, as supporters, had a valid reason to complain?
I believe that from this squad he can put together a team to beat the Poms. Still does not make it right that some players are not in the team while others, less deserving, are there because they know his structures.
“‘We were always looking to start the season with an experienced squad to face England,…
…‘What we’ve lost in experience, we’ve made up in passion and desire to play for the Springboks.”
This to me is such a bullshit statement for example. Is he saying that players like HB, JdJ, Aplon, Kolisi do not have the same passion and desire to play for the Boks?
Funny thing is that between the first 3 players I mentioned here, you have another +/-50 test caps.
How is that for more experience in your squad?
It is just such a kak squad if the aim was to select “players who deserve” to be there imo.
I’d still support the run on team come next week Saturday though.
3 Jun 2012, 03:51 am
@munkiboi(munkiboi)-359:
Who’s the “people?”
Bulls supporters?
Because afa I can see, most supporters don’t support his ommision.
@UptheGuts(UptheGuts)-364:
I hear you and understand what you are saying. The question is this: If we beat the English 3-0, does that mean that HM was right in selecting the squad that he announced tonight or did we, as supporters, had a valid reason to complain?
I believe that from this squad he can put together a team to beat the Poms. Still does not make it right that some players are not in the team while others, less deserving, are there because they know his structures.
“‘We were always looking to start the season with an experienced squad to face England,…
…‘What we’ve lost in experience, we’ve made up in passion and desire to play for the Springboks.”
This to me is such a bullshit statement for example. Is he saying that players like HB, JdJ, Aplon, Kolisi do not have the same passion and desire to play for the Boks?
Funny thing is that between the first 3 players I mentioned here, you have another +/-50 test caps.
How is that for more experience in your squad?
It is just such a kak squad if the aim was to select “players who deserve” to be there imo.
I’d still support the run on team come next week Saturday though.
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3 Jun 2012, 03:51 am
|What has the useless Bismarck done to deserve a call up? We hear that Brussow’s supposed high penalty count is a reason for his ommision, yet Bismarck leads the way out of the South africans… yet again! Not only this, Bismarck is third highest in the Super XV for CONCEDING turnovers, is woeful on defence average lineout throwing and has, yet again, been nowhere as a breakdown force – another media lie, he never was good on the ground. Brussow has the highest tackle rate of ALL South Africans, third overall, and the fourth highest for pilfers. This is the biggest shocker and clanger of all. Brussow adds a lot of value and has been playing very well. That he can play so well in a pack so often beaten is a real credit to him. How a nonentity useless inbred lunatic with severe anger issues can sleep at night getting selected for being consistently useless sickens me. Yet it’s people like Keo and the like that have pumped up this loser as the King of hookers. And the poor sod has fallen hook line and sinker for his own praise. No more Smit to hide behind to play the sympathy card Bissie. Not so easy is it? Time to rethink the real value of what you are, if you can fathom the depth of character to do so.
Other poor rejections: de Jongh, Joe Pietersen, Kolisi, Du Preez (much better than Vermaak)
3 Jun 2012, 04:02 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-357:
His rep as a objective, transformational rugby journalist.
I just don’t like the fact that Jaques Pauw is the journalist breaking this story.
There is most probably much more to this than meets the eye.
Mark’s connection with the Spears may be just one of the reasons.
Most journalist are known to smoke the odd zol. Nowadays hard drugs are probably par for the course for these okes. To use that to nail Mark, tells me that there is another agenda.
Btw, I believe this is the same guy who once worked in Windhoek as a journalist. Mid 80′s.
His father was a SABC TV reporter, if I’m not mistaken.
3 Jun 2012, 04:06 am
@Boksarenumber4(Boksarenumber1)-370: Got in way ahead of you, bro (at #251).
3 Jun 2012, 04:10 am
@nama1(nama1)-374: Someone had to spill the beans — it’s a journo’s job. And when the beans need spilling, they’ll spill for sure. No connections or agendas or anything will prevent the spill.
3 Jun 2012, 04:15 am
@Alucard(Alucard)-373:
Well, according to some people (read shark supporters) he is the best hooker in the world. Some would even go as far as to say, he is the best rugby player on planet earth.
Ps: Did you awaken now from you 1 000 year sleep?
On Vermaak: How many minutes did he play so far this year exactly? Would he have been chosen if he was still at the Lions?
3 Jun 2012, 04:19 am
@nama1(nama1)-377: No stats or video evidence can be put together to support such idiotic claims of him being the best hooker in any country, much less the world. He has been typically poor. The stats and video footage do not lie.
3 Jun 2012, 04:21 am
This squad is a shambles, Period
Brussoe
Kolisi
De Jongh
Aplon
Those are MASSIVE omissions…Massive
JJ Engelbrecht
Jacques Potgieter
Ryan Kankowski
Pierre Spies
Franco vd Merwe
Wynand Olivier
Zane Kirchner
Jano Vermaak
Werner Kruger
Keegan Daniel
Bjorn Basson
All the above arent test class.
If we select anythin close to this squad for 4 Nations Championship.Boks will suffer record losses.Period.
Maak almal Bulle Bokke I see is 100% in the works.Plus the Spies prophecy shall be realised-Bok captain elect.
You can have the game of rugby.F*ck this sh*t. Im beyond angry, this insults my patriotism & intelligence.
Good luck on Bok supporters 2012 and beyond.Meyer;s selections speak for themselves.
This team is going to be a kick and chase te
3 Jun 2012, 04:23 am
@nama1(nama1)-374:
> I just don’t like the fact that Jaques Pauw is the journalist breaking this story.
> There is most probably much more to this than meets the eye.
Funnily enough he was the same guy who blew the lid on Vlakplaas and Eugene de Kock
I guess you didn’t have a problem with it or his credibility then?
> Mark’s connection with the Spears may be just one of the reasons.
> Most journalist are known to smoke the odd zol. Nowadays hard drugs are probably par for the course for these okes. To use that to nail Mark, tells me that there is another agenda.
No he’s a cokehead and in the public eye thus a legitimate target for reporters, just like Zuma with his syphlytic “Spear”
And guys like you didn’t like it either
> I believe this is the same guy who once worked in Windhoek as a journalist. Mid 80?s.
> His father was a SABC TV reporter, if I’m not mistaken.
He’s been an awarded investigative journalist for many years, nobody doubts his credibility
3 Jun 2012, 04:26 am
Imagine Jano Vermaak was black and he was chosen for Boks…..Off the performances of this year??? Same with JJ Engelbrecht.
And Siya Kolisi was white being left out of Bok team after performances of this Superrugby campaign and especially the superhero performance at Loftus last night.
Think about it.
3 Jun 2012, 04:26 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-376:
Sure… but there is always the matter of “timing.”
Why is it that things that happen a few years ago are only now made public?
No Tackler, there’s another agenda here. Of that I’m sure.
No doubt that Mark “lost” himself as a journalist some time ago already, but this just smacks of a “hit” on a fellow journalist who does not play the game according to the set rules.
I’ll give Mark the benefit of the doubt here until proven otherwise.
If this is the same Pauw, I remember his father having to fly down to Windhoek to bail him out for possession all those years back.
Why then would he bring up Mark’s white line fever?
3 Jun 2012, 04:47 am
@victoriabok(victoriabok)-380:
…and that is precisely my problem
Why is he the one who breaks the news about Marks alleged coke addiction?
* His, and Max’s, expose of Vlakplaas;
* His chasing down of the tennis ball size nuclear bomb;
* His walking away from the SABC with Max out of solidarity.
Why would an investigative journalist like that, with all the honours bestowed on him in the past, “waste” his time to expose a small fry like Mark?
It does not make sense to me, nor does your sarcastic tone in your post.
“And guys like you didn’t like it either”
… and what exactly do you mean by that?
3 Jun 2012, 04:51 am
Everyone needs to just chill out, watch and enjoy.
My 22 from this squad would be
15. Pat Lambie
14. JP pietersen
13. Jean de villiers(c)
12. Frans Steyn
11. Lwazi Mvovo
10. Morne Steyn
9. Ruan Pienaar
8. Willem Alberts
7. Jauqes Potgieter
6. Marcell Coetzee
5. Juandre Kruger
4. Eben Etzebeth
3. Werner Kruger
2. Bismarck du Plesis
1. Beast Mtawarira
16. Adriaan Straus
17. Coenie Oosthuizen
18. Flip Van der Merwe
19. Keegan Daniel
20. Pierre Spies
21. Francois Hougaard
22. Wynand Olivier
The versatility of the backline players is a credit to SA rugby. There are numerous combinations that can be selected from this matchday squad and reshuffles in the backline enable HM to have a 5-2 split on the bench. I wasn’t sure if he should go for an extra prop, lock or loosie because I am pretty worried about the depth in those positions. Franco van der merwe was great against the sharks yesterday but don’t know how long he can be expected to last in this squad with bekker returning eventually. Props rotate anyway so may not be too wise to pick an extra prop. And all 3 of Daniel, spies and kankowski have their problems. We need a fit burger and vermuelen desperately even if only to increase depth. Butch James can be a great source of experience in the dressing room even if he is not part of the playing staff, what he brought to the lions backline yesterday was incredible.
3 Jun 2012, 04:54 am
@nama1(nama1)-382: Timing is GOOD in journalism. Especially if you get in your scoop first.
3 Jun 2012, 04:59 am
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-381:
What you crying about… Kolisi is still in the extended squad… good on him… Daniels pips him for experience I suppose in HM’s eyes… I guess for that type of loosie it was between those two and AJ…
Vermaak being there is a sign that there’s not much depth at 9 currently in RSA…. the Piet Van Zyl’s cannot be thrown into this first test (hence he’s also in the extended squad)…
As for JJ… well it’s no secret he’s a HM favourite since he said as much before poaching him from the Stormers…
My biggest shock is the omittance of Brussouw and Aplon…
Mvovu whilst being a hard pacey runner… is shockers in positional play particularly in defence, doesn’t have much of a step, no passing game, no kicking game and no utility value… Apples ticks all those boxes…
3 Jun 2012, 05:04 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-385:
And a scoop it is!
Brings some perspective to his infinite narcissism… oh how the wheel turns from scavenger to prey…
3 Jun 2012, 05:04 am
HM obviously sees the Stormers as the SAs only viable shot at the super title and has tried to disrupt them as little as possible.
3 Jun 2012, 05:12 am
@butch van niekerk(butch van niekerk)-384:
I think the team will look like this:
15. Kirchner
14. JPP
13. JdV (c) to appease the Cape supporters
12. Vet Frans
11. Habana
10. Morne
9. Hougaard
8. Spies
7. Alberts
6. Marcell Coetzee (debutant)
5. etzebeth (debutant)
4. Juandre Kruger
3. Jannie Dup
2. Bissie
1. Bissie
Reserwes: Chilliboy, Werner Kruger, Flip, Keegan, Ruan Pienaar, Wynand, Mvovo
3 Jun 2012, 05:12 am
So now we have the stormer supporters pee-peeing in thei little pants because they didn’t ‘get enough’ players in the squad. In the last RWC the STormers did predominate with a WP – and we lost.
At least Meyer has seen the light about APlon. Apart from one missed pass try and a horendous forward pass try against the Sharks he did nothing last Saturday or yesterday or for the whole S15 for that matter. Boks can find another mascot.
JdV is lucky to be there but it was always going to be JdV or De Jong. After his poor international display last year, I would rather have chosen De Jong at #13.
Kirschwasser is also lucky to be in the team. Joe Pitersen is far better.
Kolisi is also unlucky.
So, for the Stormers the one’s I’d expect to be part of the short term future are Joe Pitersen, Kolisi, Etsbeth, De Jongh, Bekker, Habbana and Schalk (for a few swan song games).
Alberts has been poor other than 1 game. He’s lazy and lucky to be there.
Kanko is there to add variation if things go wrong – faster than the others and can at least side step.
WO, well what can one say about that inclussion and some of the other Bull’s selections – home town influence but we saw that with DiV also.
Daniels deserves to be there, best performer for the Sharks this year.
Same for A Strauss, he’s been massive for the Cheetahs. Prefer him over Bissy for sure.
All in all, not a bad squad some doubtful selections and ommissions.
Let’s see what HM can do
3 Jun 2012, 05:18 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-385:
Outing a man like Keo snorting some powder is a big scoop?
Journalism has gone to the dogs in SA.
Jeepers.
Maybe they should start looking at the journalists who is not alcoholics, weed smokers, white line junkies, s.ex addicts and such.
It would be a bigger freakin scoop to find one who does not make him-/herself guilty of any of the above.
3 Jun 2012, 05:23 am
@nama1(nama1)-383:
> … and what exactly do you mean by that?
One of “your” guys, like Luke, Cheeky, The Kings or now Keo because he is involved with the Kings
3 Jun 2012, 05:28 am
@OCO(OCO)-390:
“So, for the Stormers the one’s I’d expect to be part of the short term future are Joe Pitersen, Kolisi, Etsbeth, De Jongh, Bekker, Habbana and Schalk (for a few swan song games).”
So that is about half of the Stormers team then.
Well, well…
“…home town influence but we saw that with DiV also.”
Care to elaborate on the “home town influence” wrt PdV?
“All in all, not a bad squad some doubtful selections and ommissions.”
A bit more clarity on the “doubtful selections and ommissions.”
Who’s selection is doubtful and who was omitted in your view.
3 Jun 2012, 05:30 am
@OCO(OCO)-390: In the last world cup the Stormers did predominate?
How? Schalla, flo, JdV, JdJ, Aplon, Habana. How on earth is that “predominating”?
Worry about wetting your own pants, seun.
3 Jun 2012, 05:35 am
@victoriabok(victoriabok)-392:
Now why on earth would Luke, Cheeky or the Kings be one of my guys?
You know what they say about assumptions?
Btw, you did not address the point I made in that post.
3 Jun 2012, 05:44 am
A pile of shite: Springbok squad. Clearly religious inspiration north of the Jukskei. Get over Malema already, HM!
3 Jun 2012, 05:54 am
@OCO(OCO)-390:
springboks 2011 world cup squad team makeup…
8 sharks
9 blue bulls
6 western province
the team that lost to aussie had 6 bulls and 4 stormers in the run on team.
but ja, dont let facts get in the way of a good story.
3 Jun 2012, 06:00 am
@nama1(nama1)-395:
assumption is the mother of all fluckups.
or of course… when you assume you make an a s s out of u and me
2 of my favorites too.
3 Jun 2012, 06:06 am
keo, can we have a new poll….
If the springbok emblem was to be removed from south africas rugby team jersey would the new name for the team be:
A.) Blueboks
B.) Springbulls
C.) Bullsharks
3 Jun 2012, 06:07 am
i must be going crazy i am sitting here blogging with myself…
best i go get a life.
3 Jun 2012, 06:14 am
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-379: @<a href=
Blown away by HM's selections, represents his plan of trying to overcome a tricky first up opponent.Suspect he has many yes men around him who confirm the same tactical approach,
Kolisi omission is a mistake, pure and simple, a 20 yr old dominating in Super Rugby all year,he would make Abs 32.
3 Jun 2012, 06:25 am
Franco van der Merwe.???
didnt see that one coming
overall – happy with squad.
3 Jun 2012, 06:39 am
I went to bed last night, and hoped that apart from the Stormers amazing win, what followed after was just an alcohol induced bad dream. No such luck. I wake up and the Bok squad is still a Hillsong church cell group from Pretoria. All those who called me paranoid round here, up your exhaust pipes – my paranoia is no longer paranoia but the Gospel according to Heyneke Meyer. I have never turned my back on the Boks, ever – but something has to give with this Mighty Men squad (was Oom Angus Buchanan a selector?) I am so upset about Kolisi’s omission, and the omissions of Brossouw, Aplon and De Jongh (but mostly Siya’s) that at this stage I only have two words for this Pretoria f c uk fest: GO ENGLAND!
3 Jun 2012, 06:41 am
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-402: Happy with the squad? Because they are all conservative disciples from Pretoria? Or because they are there on merit?
3 Jun 2012, 06:46 am
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-402:
Happy with the squad ??????????? Half of it?
Because its full of Bulls?? along with Kanko and jaantjies
Come on, its a huge disappointment
3 Jun 2012, 06:47 am
@Te Rangatira(Te Rangatira)-401: Mate, this knuckledragging coach from the neanderthal wasteland aptly named Pretoria has made more than one error. Expect lineout calls to go something like this: grunt, moo, grunt, moo, oink. (And they will still f c uk it up, because they only speak duck and not pig, cow and horse). This primitive and conservative twat, with his primitive, conservative and biased selections is going to split this country. If this is his squad moving forward into the Rugby championship, I would like the Boks to be swatted out of the park, because THIS Bok squad does not represent me as a South African OR as a rugby lover.
3 Jun 2012, 07:01 am
franco is the next best line out proponent after Bekker he’s not the problem
The problem children are
Kirchner
Olivier
Jantjies
Vermaak
Spies
Kankowski
Potgieter
Flip
That is 8 from 32 – 25% of the squad not there on merit over 8 others who would be better
Basson / Mvovo over Aplon also massive near sightedness
How did Mapoe smoke Lambie and JPP yesterday too
Kirchner / Basson / Mvovo over Aplon – Shocking
Olivier / (Engelbrecht) over De Jongh – diabolical
Vermaak over Van Zyl – pathetic
Spies / Potgieter / Kankowski over Kolisi and Brussow – outright f’ng outrageous
The fact that neither FdP and Matfield are not there is not down to HM’S lack of desire, in FdP’s case its his lack of both will and courage and in Matfields case its down to IRB protocol else FdP and / or Matfield would have been in and captain.
Meyer is a doos no two questions about it the only issue here is will he buy enough time to realize his glaring mistakes and correct them in time before he bales out himself or not.
He’s damn lucky its England and not NZ he’s facing first up because he might just get baled out of the jail he already set himself up in by default and not by design.
3 Jun 2012, 07:12 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-404:
As Meyer said, no pleasing everyone. Majority of players I see here were picked on merit. I am suprised CJ Stander and Arno Botha are not included as both have x factor capability. Especially as no genuine fetcher. I am guessings Coetzee will wear the 6 jumper with Potgeiter at 7 and Spies as captain.
3 Jun 2012, 07:14 am
if Spies is made captain I’m rooting for England simple … And the next bitter pill to perhaps need to get swallowed is JdV as much as he is the natural obvious choice for leader and captain among this lot might actually now not feel up to it due to having to lead a bunch of players he knows in his heart would not be his preferred team mates..,
I dunno if I could lead a team knowing in my heart and gut some of my stalwart mates are omitted by sheer lack of insight and dumb deluded blindness and plain closed provincialism of the highest order,., he may just chuck up the captaincy as a statement of no confidence in the coach, I know that’s the mixed feelings I’d be sitting with if I were JdV.
3 Jun 2012, 07:15 am
As a regular Keo reader, and follower of SpringBok Rugby. Although I love the All Blacks as a Kiwi. I was Amazed absolutely amazed that Siya Kolisi was not selected in the team. I know his time will come, but now is the time for him to gain experience. It’s not too bad a team that you have. but i was little surprised not to see H Brussouw not there even though he’s not playing at his best. Also Lions man Josh Strauss should be there. I have my doubts with Franco V. D. Merwe, not sure he should be there. But over all not too bad a team. But I’m not shaking in my boots. Cheers Pauly
3 Jun 2012, 07:16 am
Long time reader, seldom poster. But I am PISSED at this squad selection. Springbok jerseys being passed out like candy at a kids party. I thought Meyer was to be the great saviour of Springbok rugby but these selections are reminiscent of the Straueli era.
Meisiekind, Kirchner, Engelbrecht, Basson???? What a joke. All of them Bulls quota players. Jantjies, Franco??? If you need a quota of Lions players rather pick Taute and Strauss. Where is Brussouw, Kolisi, Aplon and de Jongh?
Meisiekind has proved time and time again how out of his depth he is at international level. He’s an average Super rugby player at best and it’s criminal that he could be given more Springbok caps. Those he already has should be taken away and donated to charity. Kirchner is the same, a very average player at Super rugby level and a joke at international level, offers nothing on attack, little on defence and is only notable for having a funny hairstyle and being able to hold onto the ball every now and then. What has Engelbrecht done to deserve a place in the squad?? I know there has been hype about this kid but I’ve seen little to be excited about this year. Basson is ****, he offers nothing on the wing. He’s able to finish a move every now and then and has some pace but is a major liability on defence and does little to get involved with the play. In last nights game he first touched the ball on the 42 minute mark.
Brussow hasn’t been at his best but has been one of our best players the last few years and England will breathe a sigh of relief that he won’t be hounding them at the breakdown. Hopefully HM just wants to give him a wake up before selecting him for the tests against NZ and the Wallabies. Aplon and de Jongh deserve to be in the squad and the fact that they were left out in favour of Meisiekind, Kirchner et al is a flagging joke. Kolisi was immense last night and has had a wonderful debut season. He also deserved a place in the squad.
Why does it have to be so hard to be a Springbok supporter? I was really looking forward to Heyneke’s first squad announcement after the years we put up with Snor and now this. Fark.
3 Jun 2012, 07:17 am
snoekskiet i see you learnt your lesson
no more cnteyed fckdilly fromyou
ken jou plek
siphilis really did a job on you.
3 Jun 2012, 07:17 am
I am certain JJ Engelbrecht has being monitored by Meyer and I think he brings special defensive strengths which may be why he was picked ahead of Aplon.
3 Jun 2012, 07:19 am
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-408:
No genuine fetcher But 4 number 8s ????
Yes most likely Coetzee 6 Potgieter 7 and Spies 8 Sad but maybe true.
And Alberts off the bench
Ok so Coetzee gets injured What then?
No brussow No Kolisi No daniel?
Maybe ok playing 2 7 Vs Poms but against Oz and ABs we will be eaten alive
3 Jun 2012, 07:20 am
Oh and I forgot Vermaak. Good honest player, but what has he done to deserve his place in the squad? Give me Macleod or Duvenhage any day over him.
3 Jun 2012, 07:21 am
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-413:
He has suspect hands?
He is a decent player but come on Jdj and Aplon better than he is
3 Jun 2012, 07:24 am
@Stoffel(Stoffel)-411:
Good post and go ahead and express your feelings
basically you are saying what 95 5 are saying.
What a disgrace HM shame on you
3 Jun 2012, 07:26 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-414:
certain Brussouw will be back for NZ and AUS. Deon Stegman injury didnt help. Daniel is the likely cover to close out matches off the bench.
15.Lambie
11.Habana
13.Di Villiers
12.Steyn
14.Pieterson
10.Steyn
09.Hougaard
01.Beast
02.du Plessis
03.du Plessis
06.Coetzee
04.vd Merwe
05.Kruger
07.Potgieter
08.Spies (c)
16.Vermaak
17.Olivier
18.Engelbrecht
19.Strauss
20.Oosthuizen
21.vd Mewere
22.Alberts
3 Jun 2012, 07:29 am
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-418:
You forgot Estebeth at 4
JJ on the bench? WO too??
And it will be Chiliboy But Strauss deserves it
3 Jun 2012, 07:30 am
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-408:
Kolisi fckd the entire bluebok back row up last night on his own – SOLO
The difference between Stormers vs Bulls and Stormers vs Sharks is down to ONE player – Siya Kolisi – and your grey arsed blue blooded fckup of an Einstein f’ng coach kinda MISSED it
Shows exactly what an idiot gdamn twat this moron actually is.
Yeah Olivier Kirchner Vermaak Potgieter Kankowski and Spies are there on merit
I reckon AB’s and Aussie just realized Xmas has come early again in the SH, even England probably realizing what a beautiful gilt edged opportunity this dumb deluded klutz of a coach has presented them with
A loss vs England would be the reward worthy of this selection, I’m kinda hoping its coming
3 Jun 2012, 07:32 am
snoekskiet
post 412
3 Jun 2012, 07:32 am
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-418:
I have also heard HM prefers kitchener to lambie at 15 So lambie will be on the bench to cover 15, center and 10
3 Jun 2012, 07:33 am
I hope HM hasn’t chosen more deserving players(Kolisi) in order to afford some players a well needed rest in prep for the Championship.
3 Jun 2012, 07:34 am
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-418:
and Vermaak over Pienaar on bench? I am not a huge Ruan fan but he has to be a better bench 9 cover who can also play 10 and 15
You may be right about JJ since he can cover wing and center
3 Jun 2012, 07:39 am
This is HM teams for 1st test IMO
15.Kirshner
11.Habana
13.Di Villiers
12.Steyn
14.Pieterson
10.Steyn
09.Hougaard
01.Beast
02.du Plessis
03.du Plessis
06.Coetzee
04.Estebeth
05.Kruger
07.Potgieter
08.Spies (c)
16.Ruan
17JJ
18.lambie
19.Chiliboy
20.Oosthuizen
21. Plip
22.Alberts
3 Jun 2012, 07:40 am
sorry Flip
I dont like some of these selections but thats what i think he will go with
3 Jun 2012, 07:40 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-424:
Vermaak has far more experience closing out games then Pienaar.
Olivier brings vast experience to bench – He is also effective linebreaker in the closing stages and defensive safe.
I personally feel Pienaar needs to start and not come off the bench if you are going to go with him. Pienaar IMO takes a lot of good ball for himself.
3 Jun 2012, 07:43 am
fern you little fckup of a pisswilly dweeb your useless guppyuppie fckup team got fckd straight through your pisswilly little fckd up face – didn’t they you pathetic moronic little cn’t faced prick
Touche you guppyuppie poefta fckup miserable little piece of drek garbage prick
3 Jun 2012, 07:46 am
syphillis has stuffed up your brain and is the cause of your tourette like rants.
3 Jun 2012, 07:48 am
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-420:
Kolisi boy Time in Bok jersey will come. Must not get carried away and promote too early. I think Meyer would have selected Deon Stegman over Kolisi if fit to start at 6.
3 Jun 2012, 07:51 am
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-430:
Come on?
What age did Lambie get selected to Boks 18?
and if goosen was not injured he would be the 10
So why is Kolisi all of a sudden too young?
And why the heck not put him in the squad of 32 ?
Kanko there instead of him?????????
No Brussow??????????
3 Jun 2012, 07:55 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-431:
I think Meyer had his mind madeup about his combinations a while ago.
I think end of year tour best place for Kolisi.
3 Jun 2012, 07:56 am
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-427: So please tell us how many times in Olivier’s 30-odd tests have you seen him break the line? Jou moer man! Pure kak. Olivier is onner gemiddeld en jy weet dit. Ek raak sommer van voor af vies…
3 Jun 2012, 07:57 am
fernly you little mongrel piece of tarnished filth I tell you what you are you little cn’t faced piece of garbage filth.., you are trash .., outright garbage miserable fckface trash through and through
I dunno what that poor little chara chicki sees in outright pathetic cn’t like you but I should tell the poor girl to get far away from filthy snot nosed garbage miserable trash like you, she should run like hell because if she don’t do so now she gonna wish like hell she did some day, and I should warn her what outright garbage filth trash she hopping into bed with right now..poor unsuspecting girl., I seriously do feel for her. She should get far away from outright fakface garbage such as you FAST else her life is fckd forever.
3 Jun 2012, 07:58 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-425:
You’ve pretty much got it IMO… 5 POC’s in that team however I wouldn’t be surprised to see just RP and Lambie on the bench with another loosie or prop coming in.
If it’s a prop it’s obvious… if it’s a loosie it will be a quick like Daniels…
3 Jun 2012, 07:58 am
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-432:
His only saving grace is that this is england.
he can change the squad for ABs and Oz
if he loses the series to england 2-1 lets say
He is going to hear it even louder
3 Jun 2012, 07:58 am
snoeksiet she loves my boerewors and i love her purri patta.
3 Jun 2012, 07:59 am
…effective linebreaker in the closing stages…fck me!
3 Jun 2012, 08:00 am
@bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-435:
Yes agreed if 5-2 split
i would like to see Daniel but a prop may be selected
3 Jun 2012, 08:01 am
HM’s run on side from that kak squad
Beast
Chilli
Kruger
Flip
Kruger
potgieter
Coetzee
Spoes
Hougie
Steyn
Meisiekind
Engelbrecht
Basson
Habana
Kirschner
There are promises to be kept.
Why didn’t HM apply for the Bulls job?
Skop – what nic you dishinh out to HG?
3 Jun 2012, 08:01 am
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-432:
G13g
HM f%^&ked up Full stop
3 Jun 2012, 08:02 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-439:
I am been censored You cant swear at the new coach it seems
3 Jun 2012, 08:03 am
I suspect this squad is chosen primarily for the sake of familiarity and cohesion. This short preparation period is not enough to establish this otherwise. The squad gives plenty if clues as to who is likely to start as well. Expect Frans and Jean inthe centres with Lambie at fullback. Habs and JP on the wings. Hougaard and Morne at halfback. Sharks front row, Bulls second row. Who packs down in the back row with Pierre is the real question. Expect a lot of Bulls on the bench.
Expect some real changed for the 4 Nations.
3 Jun 2012, 08:04 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-439: An extra prop is a waste. They can comeback on anyway. If fit, my bet is Potgieter to make his debut. He’ll go for ball carriers
3 Jun 2012, 08:06 am
@bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-435:
Also JDV can cover wing if need be
Lambie 15 center and 10
Ruan 9,10, 15 and even wing
3 Jun 2012, 08:07 am
Meyer has opened the door wide for England, he probably got enough class in the 70% or so selections he got right to squeak his overrated coaches arse through but it wouldn’t have been enough vs NZ they would have smoked this hopeless selection outright
I dunno if this doos knows wtf he’s actually doing but he better get to grips with reality PRONTO or else I dunno if he actually going to get beyond year one. If he fcKs up vs England and a poor 4N championship then he’s out his depth which at outset looks like its exactly the case here.
3 Jun 2012, 08:08 am
@UptheGuts(UptheGuts)-443:
yes he would start . and you are right about prop especially where connie can cover 1 and 3
But if there was 5-2 split the add a prop or someone like Daniel
I go for Daniel
3 Jun 2012, 08:10 am
Kirchner – Olivier – Spies………………….laugh out farking loud. HM is one big purse. Douchebag!
3 Jun 2012, 08:11 am
@stormer in a teacup(stormer in a teacup)-441: If that’s the case, why alienate the rest of the country ‘cept maybe KZN, if the likes of Kirchner, Olivier, Basson, Vermaak, Kankowski etc was never going to play. I’ve got a feeling Kirchner, Olivier and Basson might get the nod. Especialy Kirchner and Basson. Fckn Heyneke realy burst my bubble…
3 Jun 2012, 08:11 am
I’ve never gone against a SB team…………never………………looks like…………….
3 Jun 2012, 08:13 am
@UptheGuts(UptheGuts)-448:
Kirshner yes maybe
WO i dont think so
He will want JDV there at back for Vc if Spies is capt
3 Jun 2012, 08:14 am
Also censored it seems – don’t kuk on the bulls coach. Anyway, seems we have a naughty midget if Rapport is to be believed:
Die rugbyskrywer Mark Keohane het Vrydag as woordvoerder van die Olimpiese span van Suid-Afrika bedank, ure nadat Rapport hom gekonfronteer het met bewerings dat hy dwelms misbruik en ’n sekspes is.
Voormalige vrouewerknemers van Keohane sê hy ly aan ’n “jammerlike kokaïen-verslawing”, gebruik prostitute en teister vroue seksueel.
Verskeie gewese werknemers van Keohane het die afgelope twee jaar soortgelyke bewerings oor Keohane gemaak in onder meer klagtes by die Kommissie vir Versoening, Bemiddeling en Arbitrasie (KVBA).
Dié en ander bewerings oor Keohane doen tans die ronde onder sportskrywers en word selfs op die sosiale netwerk Twitter gemaak.
Vrydagmiddag het Keohane, drie ure nadat Rapport hom gekonfronteer het, gesê hy het Tubby Reddy, uitvoerende hoof van die Suid-Afrikaanse Sportfederasie en Olimpiese Komitee (Saskok), in kennis gestel hy bedank as woordvoerder en gaan nie meer in Julie Londen toe nie.
Hy het ook bedank as ’n direkteur van Highbury Safika Media (HSM).
In dié hoedanigheid was hy in beheer van 30 tydskrifte, asook die bekroonde webwerf keo.co.za, wat jaarliks 700 000 besoekers van 220 lande lok.
Hy is die skrywer van verskeie boeke en is al as sportskrywer van die jaar aangewys.
Keohane het aan Rapport gesê daar is ’n “agenda” teen hom en hy bedank omdat hy nie kan toelaat dat “ongelukkige en haatdraende voormalige werknemers die geloofwaardigheid van HSM en Saskok ondermyn nie”.
Verskeie vrouewerknemers van HSM het die afgelope twee jaar dié maatskappy en Keohane by die KVBA verkla en beweer hulle is seksueel geteister en was slagoffers van sy dwelmmisbruik.
HSM het met hulle geskik en uitbetalings aan hulle gemaak, maar as deel van die skikking moes hulle ’n ooreenkoms onderteken dat hulle geen besonderhede van die eise en bewerings bekend sou maak nie.
Van die bewerings wat teen Keohane gemaak word, is:
* Hy het ’n personeellid aan die begin van die Super14-reeks in 2010 in ’n losie seksueel geteister en haar glo probeer soen. Keohane het daarna gesê hy het haar bloot uitgevra.
* Keohane het sy motor in November 2009 afgeskryf nadat hy glo twee dae lank onder die invloed van kokaïen was.
* Hy het glo ná die ongeluk sy leefstyl probeer verander, maar het ’n maand later weer kokaïen gebruik.
* Tydens die jaarlikse SAB-sporttoekennings in 2009 in Johannesburg het Keohane en verskeie ander sportskrywers glo voor die geleentheid groot hoeveelhede kokaïen gebruik. Ná die tyd het hulle drie prostitute gehuur.
Nog een van Keohane se gewese werknemers, wat ’n bestuurspos beklee het, het aan Rapport gesê dit is bekend dat Keohane dikwels “van sy kop af was” weens sy gebruik van kokaïen.
Sy het ’n emosionele ineenstorting beleef weens Keohane se wispelturige gedrag. Sy sê sy is by die maatskappy “uitgedryf”.
Keohane is ’n omstrede figuur sedert sy dae as die kommunikasiebestuurder van die Springbok-span onder die rampspoedige bewind van afrigters Harry Viljoen en Rudolph Straeuli.
Hy het bedank ná ’n rassedebakel waarby die Springbokke Geo Cronjé en Quinton Davids betrokke was. Hy het daarna keo.co.za gestig en dit aan HSM verkoop.
Keohane en HSM was ook betrokke by ’n vennootskap met die gewese Springbok-afrigter Jake White, maar dié verhouding het skipbreuk gely en in die Wes-Kaapse hooggeregshof geëindig.
Keohane is wyd betrokke by ander sakebelange van HSM en hy is die bestuurder van onder andere die Springbokflank Luke Watson, wat onlangs aangewys is as die kaptein van die Eastern Province Kings.
Keohane en HSM het sedert 2008 ’n kontrak met Saskok. Hulle doen al die reklame vir Saskok en Suid-Afrika se Olimpiese span.
Dié kontrak is glo minstens R12 miljoen werd.
Keohane sê hy het reeds regsadvies ingewin om die bewerings teen hom te beveg.
Hy wou geen verdere kommentaar lewer nie, behalwe om die bewerings teen hom as ’n persoonlike aanval op sy professionele integriteit te beskryf.
Reddy sê Saskok se kontrak is met HSM en nie met Keohane nie.
HSM moes die woordvoerder – in dié geval Keohane – aanwys.
Reddy sê as die bewerings teen Keohane waar sou wees, is sy gedrag strydig met die beeld van Saskok en sy sportlui.
Kevin Ferguson, uitvoerende hoof van HSM, sê Keohane was ’n waardevolle en produktiewe lid van sy personeel en die vele toekennings wat hy al ontvang het spreek daarvan.
Ferguson sê hy kan nie kommentaar lewer oor die bewerings van dwelmmisbruik nie, maar bevestig daar was twee jaar gelede ’n klagte van seksuele teistering teen Keohane.
Hy is destyds gevra om verlof te neem. Die betrokke saak is toe ondersoek en ’n skikking is bereik.
3 Jun 2012, 08:14 am
@UptheGuts(UptheGuts)-448:
And habana (ex bull) played his way in on Sat
3 Jun 2012, 08:14 am
@UptheGuts(UptheGuts)-447: If there are any injuries closer to the day players he is already familiar with are most likely to be deployed.
This is really quite a makeshift operation.
3 Jun 2012, 08:15 am
@nama1(nama1)-391: Live by the sword; die by the sword, pilgrim.
3 Jun 2012, 08:15 am
@trupisero(trupisero)-451:
ha ha i think HM is there himself pressing the Censor button
3 Jun 2012, 08:16 am
trupisero
i wonder if the next keo tv episode willbe without the midget
3 Jun 2012, 08:18 am
bloody hilarious … and sad. Having been living away from SA now for almost 10 years in NZ and now Australia, I can but shake my head in disbelief at the B*S … that continues to plague the South African rugby administration. SA has soooo many talented players, and seem incapable of any sort of consistent player development. Instead we forfeit our place as a major rugby playing nation in favour of politics, small-mindedness and the whims of parochial and partisan coaches. Ridiculous!
3 Jun 2012, 08:19 am
@trupisero(trupisero)-450: @trupisero(trupisero)-450: You’re wayyy too late. See post 251
3 Jun 2012, 08:20 am
Fern
After all your disgusting bravado and language last week, who the hell are you to warn anybody about their posts or language?
You and your braggart, bravado big-mouth mates Predawn and HeavensGame got your comeuppance big time. You three are the most dishonest, disgusting, gutter-sniping, sullen, ill-bred, ungracious, low-class filth trolls that are sadly allowed to post on this site.
Skop is so much more intelligent than you, you have no chance against him. Even if he does unfortunately lose his cool, he is a genius by the standards of you three.
3 Jun 2012, 08:21 am
Meyer is very familiar with Olivier and his gifts.
This anti Olivier feeling over the years has being bit over the top.
3 Jun 2012, 08:21 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-449: So its a given Frans will play? Tbh, I don’t know what to expect from him after this selection. How could he be so out of touch with what the majority felt. I know it’s his job and he gets to make the decisions but ***** bells, not for one second did I even think Heinrich was not going to make it. Same with Gio. Siya, I thought was 50/50 and could afford to wait it out. Now I’m just pissed off at his omission too
3 Jun 2012, 08:22 am
nice nick
3 Jun 2012, 08:23 am
@460
i get it,you must be snoekskiets bf
3 Jun 2012, 08:25 am
@UptheGuts(UptheGuts)-462:
HM has t play Steyn at 12
Or WO? God forbid WO or Steyn at 12 No brainer IMO
3 Jun 2012, 08:26 am
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-461:
Again play WO at 12 or Steyn?
WO is a good CC player a decent super 15 player but has not performed well as a bok
3 Jun 2012, 08:28 am
and we should not be debating #12
its 15 and 8 and 6?
3 Jun 2012, 08:28 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-451: Lets hope that is not a false dawn and Habs is truly back. He’s been running great lines for the past 2 seasons without getting the ball to be fair.
@stormer in a teacup(stormer in a teacup)-452:
Forgive me but I can’t share your optimism, but that may not mean anything. My mood has been black eversince the squad announcement
3 Jun 2012, 08:28 am
@FckU2(FckU2)-460:
Genius in losing control
Yip that is Skoppie
3 Jun 2012, 08:28 am
This time 4 years ago most rugby lovers on keo were giving grudging but nodding approval to the first bok squad named by Pieter De Villiers. Food for thought.
It seems people were quite correct about Meyer being so BullsCentric.
The biggest disappointment is that Meyer has proven himself to be a man who says things he does not mean. When appointed he said he would reward form. Which he has not done. Aplon, Kolisi, Taute, Josh, de Jongh have been in good form. Kankowski has hardly played a full game so what form is he in?
Eight of Meyer’s Boks are in the top 20 list of missed tackles for super rugby. So much for defense and form.
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-432:
So this whole meeting 103 players to ‘get to know them’ was a farce then? So saying he would reward form is just so much empty spin for the cameras then? So we’ve established honesty is not something we can expect from him then? At least now we know.
3 Jun 2012, 08:29 am
It wasn’t just some crazy nightmare?
Heyneke actually selected 4 (mediocre) 8th men, one well known joker from Springfield, Loftus, one great white hype at centre (with no form to show for it), one meisiekind who’s already been given way many chances at Bok level and proved he’s not up to it every-time. Some scrumhalf that plays for the Bulls called Verkrampte or something.
In selecting all of these well known jokes and characters the vast majority of us deem surplus to Springbok rugby, he’s also left out a guy who’s got 4 consecutive wins against the AB’s and has outplayed McCaw reguarly in the Bok jersey. Clearly the 25/26 yeard old Brussouw has no future as a Bok. Neither has the consistently on form, young and exciting Kolisi.
3 Jun 2012, 08:29 am
Nite all its late here in USA
Great day Stormers on the win
Guys enjoy banter to come today
Have fun and be nice
3 Jun 2012, 08:30 am
@FckU2(FckU2)-470:
Taute is injured
3 Jun 2012, 08:31 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-465:
that’s what I mean. Who can say? He fcked it up big time. It should’ve been Frans and JdJ.
3 Jun 2012, 08:32 am
@jondood(jondood)-469:
At least he contributes more than this disgusting little man who calls himself Fern, which is a girl’s name. So we know he is emotionally conflicted, ashamed and has self-esteem issues.
3 Jun 2012, 08:32 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-466:
Steyn Jean – they have played in centres before but think with Steyn wearng 13.
3 Jun 2012, 08:33 am
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-381: Exactly, broe, exactly! Shocker of note!
3 Jun 2012, 08:34 am
@UptheGuts(UptheGuts)-474:
Cheers i am off
3 Jun 2012, 08:37 am
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-464: In 10 years time, will you remember exactly what it was you were doing and where you were when the Sharks ‘s h it got real’?
3 Jun 2012, 08:37 am
@FckU2(FckU2)-470:
my gut feeling it was window dressing. Meyer would have known most of squad bar injury he was looking at picking before all this meetings with 103 players.
the big barrier is the short timeframe to work with. Yes, majority of the players are familiar to him especially regards to combinations.
Olivier is a better player then most make him. I think he does a lot of hidden work defensively.
3 Jun 2012, 08:37 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-478: Good one mate! Aaahh… the trials and tribulations of supporting the Boks.
3 Jun 2012, 08:37 am
What man continually posts his sexualfantasies on a rugby blog and denigrates women on such a constant basis? Anyone aligning themselves with or supporting this low-life must by association be of similar low-class. I hope all other bloggers here can see that.
3 Jun 2012, 08:40 am
@482
cry me a. river
go liein snoekskiets arms,he will calm you down and comfort you.
3 Jun 2012, 08:40 am
G13 – Meisiekind? Really. A legendary international with a strike record surpassing even your namesake?
Bloody hell, even Barney had a better try scoring record.
3 Jun 2012, 08:42 am
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-480:
I understand your viewpoint. My problem with it is that should we beat the English team (as expected) then Meyer will say that the squad is a winning one and he cannot change it. It seems to me Meyer has been cunning from the start. He has bought himself the opportunity to pick what is virtually a Bulls team on the understanding it is due to the short preparation time before the tests. Should the Springbucks not do well, he can fall back on that. Should they do well he will stick with the winning selections he has made.
3 Jun 2012, 08:43 am
@UptheGuts(UptheGuts)-468: I’m not thrilled by it either, but pragmatism must be considered when analyzing HM’s decisions. If this was his second year in charge and this was his squad I would despair.
3 Jun 2012, 08:44 am
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-480: No matter how many times you are going to repeat it, Wynand Olivier will remain an ave S15 player at best. He hasn’t done much in a green jersey nor will he. That’s why you think he goes missing. He should be hard to miss!!!
3 Jun 2012, 08:45 am
Surprised to see so many posters not convinced about the young Potgieter. With the injury problems Juan Smith has had, it is of vital importance that the Boks find a big tall; hard hitting 7. Pottie is the package. Throws himself around like a young schalk, shows good ball skills, and like many of the younger players comming through, a greater accuracy at the collisions.
His DNA is also infused with the same stuff that makes our best players so competative and aggressive.
Look at his stats and you will see he is also a genuine lineout player.
Well done Heyneke Meyer on that selection, 7 could well be the vital number in any springbok pack. We breed the best blindsides down here and choose to put 7 on their backs rather than 6.
Potgieter will shape as an international, I have no doubt.
I am just not clear about the 8 position. I personally cannot see what both offer. Both players selected seem lacking, but no doubt the athleticsm both have are important to Meyers pattern. Meyer also knows far more than me about both Spies and Kanko.
BRUSSOUW, well, he has been off the boil for some time now. All major opensides in the super 15 have outplayed him this year. It seems he is trying to play like a 7, or attempting to diversify his game. He has been average this year, fact. When he plays to the ball and does his job he is an yster, but I have seen none of that this year. He is also a real height liability. One non lineout forward will hurt us against the English. I hope to see him bounce back.
Juan DeJongh is just too small. Compare him to other international centres. He will get slapped around, he is a great player and plays with guts but is too small. Meyer had no choice but to include a new-young player at outside centre. DeVilliers allowed a number of undersizedackso cover the midfield. This will simply not do at the highest level. WQell done Meyer for your couragous and nescassarry selection of centres with bulk and physicality. Your choiuce was never going to be popular. This is also why Olivier is there. At least has the physical basics t play there.
The process of interviewing and working with such a broad swathe of the top SA players has given Heineke Meyer a genuine insight into what he has to select from. No coach has made as thorough a start as this. For this reason alone Will I trust his judgement, even when some selections seem unfounded.
We also have to accept that with a new coach comes an entire new shape of Team. The weakness of Snor was displayed by the complete lack of innovation and development of the team he inherited from White. no new strings were added to their bows. Meyer is applying his stamp, and we should give him the benefit of the doubt.
3 Jun 2012, 08:46 am
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-483:
Is that all you’ve got sorry low IQ little man? I have no brief for Skop at all and do not like his style. He is however, a paragon of virtue in comparison to you and your half-wit friends.
3 Jun 2012, 08:49 am
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-480: Hidden work, love it
Spies is also big on the hidden work. The blue tinted glasses also come in handy when trying to spot some of the hidden plays.
3 Jun 2012, 08:49 am
Ag, how is KEO’S coke habit and lechery more important than the Springbok squad?
Did you all think he was a man of purity and virtue?
If anything, Monty’s jerkey, sparky manner reminds one of those afflicted with the same habit.
Cape Town is coke city anyway.
3 Jun 2012, 08:51 am
I am out for now but have to warn other bloggers on this site. You are judged by the company you keep. Supporting or interacting positively with these disgusting little men Fern, PreDawn and HeavensGame will be revealing a lot about your own character. You are accountable for what you write.
3 Jun 2012, 08:51 am
@FckU2(FckU2)-475: Fern is the object of universal derision on this site. Skop has the occasional lucid moment, but he usually just posts arrogant respective drivel. There are plenty of bloggers with a narrow spiteful agenda on Keo and while it is occasionally satisfying to torch them the real satisfaction comes from knowing all other rational bloggers hold them in pretty much the same degree of contempt.
3 Jun 2012, 08:51 am
@hensopper1(hensopper1)-488: Havent got any problems with Jacques Potgieter’s selection. Looks a good prospect.
3 Jun 2012, 08:52 am
enjoy the napwith skop
3 Jun 2012, 08:53 am
What a farce! I am just waiting on the Springbok announcement that we have new team kit. A beautiful blue home kit and a shock pink away kit that may grow on you. If Heyneker Meyer wanted to coach the Bulls why did he apply for the Springbok job?
3 Jun 2012, 08:54 am
@stormer in a teacup(stormer in a teacup)-486: When HM got the job, I felt exactly the same way when Div was in charge. Results to me wud be secondary to an immediate to long term gameplan and the players he sees fit executing. By nature it would have to be players that will still be around in 4 years time, or at least for as long as he will. Why see Eng as a one off and start all over after. Makes no sense. Does he have a plan or not. If he does then the sooner the players get to know it the better. Why my anxiety levels has skyrocketed overnite. But I hear ya, I’ll try to calm down and wait to see what comes out of this whole debacle
3 Jun 2012, 08:57 am
@UptheGuts(UptheGuts)-497: This might call for two cups of tea.
3 Jun 2012, 08:59 am
SPIESISWORTHLESS
Great player . well hard. Agree with your name tho9ugh. Cannot fathom the respect he is held in by some. My greatest issue with him though is his non judgement off the back of the scrum. For now I will keep quiet about his soft defence.
3 Jun 2012, 09:02 am
Up the guts. I must disagree. With Bok rugby Every test is important, and loosing to win later is a mirage, often an excuse cooked up by coaches. We are not Scotland or Italy, We want to see results.
It will be unacceptable if we lose this series to the English. And they will be doing everything to win this.
3 Jun 2012, 09:03 am
Well we all predicted the Blue Boks and the sideshow of Sharks is just that.
You have to feel for Greyling and Ndungane!
They obviously don’t sing from the HM hymnbook
3 Jun 2012, 09:07 am
Hey Bill howzit
Must have been nice to be at Moftus when the Bulls lost to us.
Priceless.
3 Jun 2012, 09:08 am
@stormer in a teacup(stormer in a teacup)-493:
ain’t you the goody two shoes paragon of f’ng virtue Mr. f’ng snot nose lucidity of all things bright and beautiful – two faced little snooty nosed twats the likes of you and some other explicitly civilized christian soldiers here are just as fck’d in the head as those you reckon you so gloriously superiorly wired to
3 Jun 2012, 09:10 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-502:
Mate it was the best experience of my life…
The shock and disbelief was priceless…
The Lions winning was greeted with the biggest cheer and here the Sharks thought the Bulls supporters were their allies…laughable I say
3 Jun 2012, 09:10 am
@UptheGuts(UptheGuts)-497: No mate, it is as clear as the glorious CT day that he has no plan, apart from trying to recreate what he had with the Bulls. The fact that Fourie du Preez had to tell Heyneke that he is not up to international rugby standard at this stage, tells me all I need to know about this Bloujob. If Fourie had kept quiet, Meyer would have thrown him into the team, as captain nogals – this right here is a warning light not just flashing, but about to ‘blou’. Meyer bluffed the lot of you who were so ‘excited’ and full of hope. Meyer is living the Blou dream…the rest of us will be living the nightmare.
3 Jun 2012, 09:11 am
Our B team hung in there and the dividends paid off. Kolisi was huge and Habs had one of his best games in a while…
3 Jun 2012, 09:12 am
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-501: And poor old ‘bigger and stronger’ Sadie. Anyone who questioned Jaque Fourie’s decision to make himself unavailable for Bok selection might suddenly have a little more insight.
3 Jun 2012, 09:13 am
BILL REYTS.
Wonderful win by the Lions.
It also throws the spotlight onto the complete idiocy of the Kings nonsense.
3 Jun 2012, 09:14 am
@hensopper1(hensopper1)-500: this selection deserves to lose
at least 25% of these sideshow selections are NOT on merit.. precisely and exactly the opposite
I’d like to know this allusion you make to this superior DNA infused into Jacques Potgieter’s bloodline.. is it anything similar to that superior DNA alluded to by the third reich and their cronies?
Potgieter and Kankowski hardly played ANY rugby this S15 yet they are both selected ahead of Kolisi and Brussow.. When they did play they both produced diddly squat to either of Kolisi or Brussow in comparison
Meyer deserves to get fck’d up by England and I for one am half hoping he does.
3 Jun 2012, 09:15 am
half hoping?
you either he so or you dont
are you sitting on the fence again so you can change your tune
soundslike your open ended predictions
3 Jun 2012, 09:16 am
Was at Loftus Yesterday and were very disappointed. Told one friend 5 minutes before Habana’s try that neither of these teams will win the comp. After the try the Stormers do have a chance. For the Bulls Spies and Potgieter actually played very well. They provided enough chances for our backline and we did better at the advantage line than at Newlands. Hougaard, Steyn and Olivier was pathetic. Hougaard’s service was slow, Steyn was too predictable and Olivier wasted a couple of good chances. His pass to Engelbrecht was the wrong option in the first half. Stormers just kept themselves in the game and although they did not look like the better side, they did pull this one out of the fire and these games are more important than the spectacular ones.
The Bulls have now had 6 games where they were pretty much always in front. The had 6 games where it was 50/50 and they lost 4 and they had one shocker (Blues). No team with Championship qualities have this record.
A Cristchurch/ Hamilton playoff looks probable now as well as a possible Brumbies Reds playoff.
3 Jun 2012, 09:17 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-507:
He knew better!
@hensopper1(hensopper1)-508:
Great win mate. It does too
3 Jun 2012, 09:18 am
SHARKS PEDIGREE………
How do you know all of this. Remember that the Fourie DuPreez issue was never confirmed by Meyer. As usual, sections of the media ran with it as if it was fact.
The one single thing that gives me joy is that Meyer has not gone backwards and picked Matfield or DuPreez. Business and Pleasure will be a focal point in this Bok team. His kicking was top class yesterday, and his general gameplay makes him an automatic choice for the Boks at 9.
3 Jun 2012, 09:18 am
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-506: How did you experience the crowd? Have not seen such respect shown to a team from the Cape.
3 Jun 2012, 09:18 am
@Horings(Horings)-511:
Like I said earlier. Spies was arrogant in not taking the shots at goal. You win the game first. I thought he was a poor captain and Chiliboy stood out like a star…
3 Jun 2012, 09:20 am
@Horings(Horings)-514:
They were fantastic bar one or two idiots booing…
Overall fantastic mate.
Outta here. Wife wants to spend money. Chat later guys… Well done Lions and Stormers…
3 Jun 2012, 09:22 am
I wish I could meet FckU2 I would buy him a Bells.
3 Jun 2012, 09:22 am
HORINGS.
As much as it pains me to say so, the Stormers WON this via the brilliance of Habana and Kolisi and 80 minutes of Guts. This at one of the hardest places to win and with key injuries and withdrawls across the team. I think they are championship material. Both games yesterday had a physicality and steel that you do not see anywhere else in the world.
3 Jun 2012, 09:23 am
yeah there’s half of me hoping Heyneke gets fck’d up good for his backward flipping flou nulle arsecreep selections they suck to high heaven
I always been a Bok supporter but this doos is making it very difficult to remain passionately upbeat and patriotic about this outright self deluded kak.
White was an outright stupefied prick.. this one is almost as bad though he got far better integrity and human value in his decision taking his underlying agenda’s suck almost as bad as the other schmuck deluxe.
3 Jun 2012, 09:27 am
@hensopper1(hensopper1)-513: Meyer says himself that he and du Preez chatted, and that du Preez said he wasn’t up to test standard after not playing for 2 months. It is not public secret – just read the papers and sports columns this morning. And another no for you would be that: if not for the IRB ruling that retired players Matfield would have been there – again, read what they say in recorded comments.
And just to make your statement totally irrelevant: Meyer also stated that du Preez is definitely part of the Bok plans.
3 Jun 2012, 09:28 am
@hensopper1(hensopper1)-518: don’t it hurt all you flou nulle and sharkshit supporters just as deep to acknowledge some undeniable FACTS.
you arseholes never gave us a hope in hell.. I’m pretty sure Heyneke Meyer is just as deeply flawed by his poor judgement of guts and character as you lot of rugby f’ng ‘kenners’ are.
Hm is a weak coach and its already shown how he tried hall for leather for FdP and for Matfield and in FdP’s case the player himself chickened out leaving HM to carry the can .. now he gonna have to go with his third choice poor captain Spies or the real deal captain JdV .. only by DEFAULT.. not by his OWN design.
3 Jun 2012, 09:29 am
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-519: You start your sentence with Yeah, but no one asked you something? Are you drunk?
3 Jun 2012, 09:34 am
Louis schropnel.
Again, your spraygun style of insults and tirade has no focus or clarity. You are not making any point at all except to express a deep hatred for Heyneke Meyer.
What kind of team do we need to beat the English. Refer to my post 488.
You claim to have also told Nick Mallett ‘to his face’ that he is an idiot or something to that effect. You say he slunked off into the shadows to avoid your razor wit and probing questions. You must also be a fearsome and intimidating speciman to cause mr Mallett to behave in this way.
Could it be that he was not bothered to listen or indeed be in the near proximity of a morn such as yourself?
Just asking. I am sure once your rage subsides you will become more lucid.
3 Jun 2012, 09:35 am
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-509: think you confusing Jacque Potgieter with Dewaldt Potgieter. Heineken will play Jacque at 7 against the Poms, if he is fit to play. He will also play Coetzee at 6.
Right there two hard hitting ball carrying pitbulls with no regard for another mans safety. Unfortunately Spies will be there to round up the loose trio.
The only other position up for grab will be centre, here Meyer will pick giants like Frans Steyn and JJ Ebgelbrect, bet on it.
At 15 there is a huge problem. The kak Kirchner or the slow pygmy Lambie. If only Taute was avalable man we could have had a solid backline.
3 Jun 2012, 09:36 am
@Horings(Horings)-522: somebody asked me.. I replied.. it gotta be you flou nulle that can’t see sh’t for trees most times… just like your g’damn blind as a bat messiah … its getting painfully obvious your eyes are stuffed up fast by all this blou bloed beneeked blindness .. HM just as bad as the rest of ya.
3 Jun 2012, 09:36 am
That hurt………. A shark supporter, my god, never have I been called such a thing. Let me say how much I enjoyed the game and the result at the home of world rugby, Ellis Park.
3 Jun 2012, 09:37 am
@RL(RL)-524: I didn’t confuse nothing .. I know which Potgieter I’m referring to.
Out
3 Jun 2012, 09:38 am
RL agree entirely, But not as worried as you re the fullback position. Also, as you say, the young Taute will recover.
3 Jun 2012, 09:40 am
Louis schropnel, that makes you even more stupid IMO.
3 Jun 2012, 09:40 am
Skopshyte showing her true colours again (read Pieter de Villiers) and hating the coach before the first game of Bok rugby. These fair weather South african fans and their armchair ‘expert’ predictions make me want to puke on their fake deformed heads. Go buy yourself a Pommie jersey you ingrait veraaier. Cowards like you that have no spine are the very reason this country is full of slimy double agents that are so confused by their real identities that even they don’t know if they’re Arthur or Martha. Double adapter coward sleazy fair weather veraaier terrorist. You should be hanged for daring to call yourself a South African fan. Useless goon.
3 Jun 2012, 09:41 am
Keohane ‘van sy kop af’ weens kokaïen
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Die rugbyskrywer Mark Keohane het Vrydag as woordvoerder van die Olimpiese span van Suid-Afrika bedank, ure nadat Rapport hom gekonfronteer het met bewerings dat hy dwelms misbruik en ’n sekspes is.
Voormalige vrouewerknemers van Keohane sê hy ly aan ’n “jammerlike kokaïen-verslawing”, gebruik prostitute en teister vroue seksueel.
Verskeie gewese werknemers van Keohane het die afgelope twee jaar soortgelyke bewerings oor Keohane gemaak in onder meer klagtes by die Kommissie vir Versoening, Bemiddeling en Arbitrasie (KVBA).
Dié en ander bewerings oor Keohane doen tans die ronde onder sportskrywers en word selfs op die sosiale netwerk Twitter gemaak.
Vrydagmiddag het Keohane, drie ure nadat Rapport hom gekonfronteer het, gesê hy het Tubby Reddy, uitvoerende hoof van die Suid-Afrikaanse Sportfederasie en Olimpiese Komitee (Saskok), in kennis gestel hy bedank as woordvoerder en gaan nie meer in Julie Londen toe nie.
Hy het ook bedank as ’n direkteur van Highbury Safika Media (HSM).
In dié hoedanigheid was hy in beheer van 30 tydskrifte, asook die bekroonde webwerf keo.co.za, wat jaarliks 700 000 besoekers van 220 lande lok.
Hy is die skrywer van verskeie boeke en is al as sportskrywer van die jaar aangewys.
Keohane het aan Rapport gesê daar is ’n “agenda” teen hom en hy bedank omdat hy nie kan toelaat dat “ongelukkige en haatdraende voormalige werknemers die geloofwaardigheid van HSM en Saskok ondermyn nie”.
Verskeie vrouewerknemers van HSM het die afgelope twee jaar dié maatskappy en Keohane by die KVBA verkla en beweer hulle is seksueel geteister en was slagoffers van sy dwelmmisbruik.
HSM het met hulle geskik en uitbetalings aan hulle gemaak, maar as deel van die skikking moes hulle ’n ooreenkoms onderteken dat hulle geen besonderhede van die eise en bewerings bekend sou maak nie.
Van die bewerings wat teen Keohane gemaak word, is:
* Hy het ’n personeellid aan die begin van die Super14-reeks in 2010 in ’n losie seksueel geteister en haar glo probeer soen. Keohane het daarna gesê hy het haar bloot uitgevra.
* Keohane het sy motor in November 2009 afgeskryf nadat hy glo twee dae lank onder die invloed van kokaïen was.
* Hy het glo ná die ongeluk sy leefstyl probeer verander, maar het ’n maand later weer kokaïen gebruik.
* Tydens die jaarlikse SAB-sporttoekennings in 2009 in Johannesburg het Keohane en verskeie ander sportskrywers glo voor die geleentheid groot hoeveelhede kokaïen gebruik. Ná die tyd het hulle drie prostitute gehuur.
Nog een van Keohane se gewese werknemers, wat ’n bestuurspos beklee het, het aan Rapport gesê dit is bekend dat Keohane dikwels “van sy kop af was” weens sy gebruik van kokaïen.
Sy het ’n emosionele ineenstorting beleef weens Keohane se wispelturige gedrag. Sy sê sy is by die maatskappy “uitgedryf”.
Keohane is ’n omstrede figuur sedert sy dae as die kommunikasiebestuurder van die Springbok-span onder die rampspoedige bewind van afrigters Harry Viljoen en Rudolph Straeuli.
Hy het bedank ná ’n rassedebakel waarby die Springbokke Geo Cronjé en Quinton Davids betrokke was. Hy het daarna keo.co.za gestig en dit aan HSM verkoop.
Keohane en HSM was ook betrokke by ’n vennootskap met die gewese Springbok-afrigter Jake White, maar dié verhouding het skipbreuk gely en in die Wes-Kaapse hooggeregshof geëindig.
Keohane is wyd betrokke by ander sakebelange van HSM en hy is die bestuurder van onder andere die Springbokflank Luke Watson, wat onlangs aangewys is as die kaptein van die Eastern Province Kings.
Keohane en HSM het sedert 2008 ’n kontrak met Saskok. Hulle doen al die reklame vir Saskok en Suid-Afrika se Olimpiese span.
Dié kontrak is glo minstens R12 miljoen werd.
Keohane sê hy het reeds regsadvies ingewin om die bewerings teen hom te beveg.
Hy wou geen verdere kommentaar lewer nie, behalwe om die bewerings teen hom as ’n persoonlike aanval op sy professionele integriteit te beskryf.
Reddy sê Saskok se kontrak is met HSM en nie met Keohane nie.
HSM moes die woordvoerder – in dié geval Keohane – aanwys.
Reddy sê as die bewerings teen Keohane waar sou wees, is sy gedrag strydig met die beeld van Saskok en sy sportlui.
Kevin Ferguson, uitvoerende hoof van HSM, sê Keohane was ’n waardevolle en produktiewe lid van sy personeel en die vele toekennings wat hy al ontvang het spreek daarvan.
Ferguson sê hy kan nie kommentaar lewer oor die bewerings van dwelmmisbruik nie, maar bevestig daar was twee jaar gelede ’n klagte van seksuele teistering teen Keohane.
Hy is destyds gevra om verlof te neem. Die betrokke saak is toe ondersoek en ’n skikking is bereik.
3 Jun 2012, 09:41 am
OK, Agile to the rescue
Here:
http://www.wikihow.com/Use-a-Tampon
This should help the most of you.
As for the rest, this squad will destroy England 3-0, how about giving HM the chance to see what comes of it?
The squad is also guaranteed to change for the Rugby Championship in August, and most of you will get so see your favourites
3 Jun 2012, 09:42 am
WTF
3 Jun 2012, 09:43 am
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-525: No, I think you are drunk because no one asked you anything before your comment #519.
3 Jun 2012, 09:44 am
horings
i asked him earlier
3 Jun 2012, 09:46 am
gws
she was born in israel
not a real south african
3 Jun 2012, 09:47 am
Aplon and JDJ must be livid!!!
How the hell did Kanko make it? Unless Meyer sees Kanko has on the of the ‘core’ members of his team.
Olivier? You have got to be kidding me.
Zane….he’s just not good enough.
Elton is purely there to make up the numbers (if you look at how Meyer judges a player).
No Brussow…it’s a big call. He hasn’t had his best season though.
3 Jun 2012, 09:47 am
I see JDV getting the nod as captain.
Spies will only be there because HM rates Vermeulen as his no.8. Spies will be a stop-gap till Vermeulen recovers from injury. It wouldn’t look good if you go and drop the Bok skipper because he can’t keep his place.
And expect to see Kanko in the starting 22. And Spies yanked off after 60 minutes.
3 Jun 2012, 09:48 am
Unfortunately Province may loose Siya, as he needs to move to the Bulls in order to get a call-up to the PickBoks.
3 Jun 2012, 09:49 am
I’m laughing at Tacitus now that congratulated Mark Keohane on his recent wightloss that he attributed to a “training program”
Actually it was HSM Pedracut CokeXT
I’m sorry, but it’s in my nature to be insensitive, hope I’m not going to hell
Aaaggggg…ou Keohane, I hope you master this thing and find peace mate, we all have our demons….
3 Jun 2012, 09:49 am
PS Well done Lions. The Sharks showed they have some real issues on defense (mainly when Bosman starts). Their season is over.
Stormers to finish top of the log (Saders will beat the Chiefs).
3 Jun 2012, 09:50 am
PickBoks = PinkBoks… I must be dyslexic.
3 Jun 2012, 09:50 am
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-532: t*tty how is Steggie doing.
3 Jun 2012, 09:51 am
@RL(RL)-543:
Well, resting up for the inaugural Rugby Championship, thanks. How’s Minnie Me doing?
3 Jun 2012, 09:51 am
@bokguy(bokguy)-539:
Siya will make the Boks. I’m actually pleased he wasn’t chosen. Let’s not do to this guy what we did to Chilliboy.
We always so keen to throw a top black player into the Bok mix, but let’s give him another full Super Rugby season to mature.
3 Jun 2012, 09:52 am
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-503: See what I mean?
3 Jun 2012, 09:54 am
@bokguy(bokguy)-539:
Do you think players will get selected out of the vocacom cup team?
I mean we have the Steg, Stander and Arno, and a few others coming though.
3 Jun 2012, 09:54 am
With 13 Bulls and 3 Stormers, there is no way I’m standing behind Heyneke Meyer.
3 Jun 2012, 09:56 am
@CenturionShark (aka LondonShark)(londonshark)-537: pygmies have no reason to be livid – hell theyr can do a Keohane and cheer themselves up by takinf advantage of their height and look up girls skirts.
3 Jun 2012, 09:56 am
So many ‘expert’ opinions on who should or should not be there. Wow I am humbled by the words of the wise. According to high and mighty, the Boks have lost already. Meyer surely needs to read this blog to get the real scoop on who to include in his team. So what if the Bok team will resemble the Stormers..that would be a total coincedence right…
3 Jun 2012, 09:58 am
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-550:
mhm
I raise my cranberry juice to you sir.
3 Jun 2012, 10:00 am
Why are there so many guys on here this morning anyway?
Aren’t you guys supposed to be in church praying for mercy from this apocalypse?
3 Jun 2012, 10:00 am
@532,549 LMFAO!
3 Jun 2012, 10:01 am
Anyone checked out News24? Breaking news.
3 Jun 2012, 10:02 am
Keo in deep doo doo.
3 Jun 2012, 10:03 am
old news cannon
3 Jun 2012, 10:04 am
@552 agile
nee wag jong,you’re crackin me up today Steggo,hehe
3 Jun 2012, 10:05 am
Jacques Pauw
Die rugbyskrywer Mark Keohane het Vrydag as woordvoerder van die Olimpiese span van Suid-Afrika bedank, ure nadat Rapport hom gekonfronteer het met bewerings dat hy dwelms misbruik en ’n sekspes is.
Voormalige vrouewerknemers van Keohane sê hy ly aan ’n “jammerlike kokaïen-verslawing”, gebruik prostitute en teister vroue seksueel.
Verskeie gewese werknemers van Keohane het die afgelope twee jaar soortgelyke bewerings oor Keohane gemaak in onder meer klagtes by die Kommissie vir Versoening, Bemiddeling en Arbitrasie (KVBA).
Dié en ander bewerings oor Keohane doen tans die ronde onder sportskrywers en word selfs op die sosiale netwerk Twitter gemaak.
Vrydagmiddag het Keohane, drie ure nadat Rapport hom gekonfronteer het, gesê hy het Tubby Reddy, uitvoerende hoof van die Suid-Afrikaanse Sportfederasie en Olimpiese Komitee (Saskok), in kennis gestel hy bedank as woordvoerder en gaan nie meer in Julie Londen toe nie.
Hy het ook bedank as ’n direkteur van Highbury Safika Media (HSM).
In dié hoedanigheid was hy in beheer van 30 tydskrifte, asook die bekroonde webwerf keo.co.za, wat jaarliks 700 000 besoekers van 220 lande lok.
Hy is die skrywer van verskeie boeke en is al as sportskrywer van die jaar aangewys.
Keohane het aan Rapport gesê daar is ’n “agenda” teen hom en hy bedank omdat hy nie kan toelaat dat “ongelukkige en haatdraende voormalige werknemers die geloofwaardigheid van HSM en Saskok ondermyn nie”.
Verskeie vrouewerknemers van HSM het die afgelope twee jaar dié maatskappy en Keohane by die KVBA verkla en beweer hulle is seksueel geteister en was slagoffers van sy dwelmmisbruik.
HSM het met hulle geskik en uitbetalings aan hulle gemaak, maar as deel van die skikking moes hulle ’n ooreenkoms onderteken dat hulle geen besonderhede van die eise en bewerings bekend sou maak nie.
Van die bewerings wat teen Keohane gemaak word, is:
* Hy het ’n personeellid aan die begin van die Super14-reeks in 2010 in ’n losie seksueel geteister en haar glo probeer soen. Keohane het daarna gesê hy het haar bloot uitgevra.
* Keohane het sy motor in November 2009 afgeskryf nadat hy glo twee dae lank onder die invloed van kokaïen was.
* Hy het glo ná die ongeluk sy leefstyl probeer verander, maar het ’n maand later weer kokaïen gebruik.
* Tydens die jaarlikse SAB-sporttoekennings in 2009 in Johannesburg het Keohane en verskeie ander sportskrywers glo voor die geleentheid groot hoeveelhede kokaïen gebruik. Ná die tyd het hulle drie prostitute gehuur.
Nog een van Keohane se gewese werknemers, wat ’n bestuurspos beklee het, het aan Rapport gesê dit is bekend dat Keohane dikwels “van sy kop af was” weens sy gebruik van kokaïen.
Sy het ’n emosionele ineenstorting beleef weens Keohane se wispelturige gedrag. Sy sê sy is by die maatskappy “uitgedryf”.
Keohane is ’n omstrede figuur sedert sy dae as die kommunikasiebestuurder van die Springbok-span onder die rampspoedige bewind van afrigters Harry Viljoen en Rudolph Straeuli.
Hy het bedank ná ’n rassedebakel waarby die Springbokke Geo Cronjé en Quinton Davids betrokke was. Hy het daarna keo.co.za gestig en dit aan HSM verkoop.
Keohane en HSM was ook betrokke by ’n vennootskap met die gewese Springbok-afrigter Jake White, maar dié verhouding het skipbreuk gely en in die Wes-Kaapse hooggeregshof geëindig.
Keohane is wyd betrokke by ander sakebelange van HSM en hy is die bestuurder van onder andere die Springbokflank Luke Watson, wat onlangs aangewys is as die kaptein van die Eastern Province Kings.
Keohane en HSM het sedert 2008 ’n kontrak met Saskok. Hulle doen al die reklame vir Saskok en Suid-Afrika se Olimpiese span.
Dié kontrak is glo minstens R12 miljoen werd.
Keohane sê hy het reeds regsadvies ingewin om die bewerings teen hom te beveg.
Hy wou geen verdere kommentaar lewer nie, behalwe om die bewerings teen hom as ’n persoonlike aanval op sy professionele integriteit te beskryf.
Reddy sê Saskok se kontrak is met HSM en nie met Keohane nie.
HSM moes die woordvoerder – in dié geval Keohane – aanwys.
Reddy sê as die bewerings teen Keohane waar sou wees, is sy gedrag strydig met die beeld van Saskok en sy sportlui.
Kevin Ferguson, uitvoerende hoof van HSM, sê Keohane was ’n waardevolle en produktiewe lid van sy personeel en die vele toekennings wat hy al ontvang het spreek daarvan.
Ferguson sê hy kan nie kommentaar lewer oor die bewerings van dwelmmisbruik nie, maar bevestig daar was twee jaar gelede ’n klagte van seksuele teistering teen Keohane.
Hy is destyds
3 Jun 2012, 10:06 am
Cannon
That article just confirmed what we suspected all along,Keo is van sy trollie af my bru.
3 Jun 2012, 10:08 am
@Cannon(Cannon)-554:
Oh hell, we might have change the name of this website….
I’m going with CenturionSharkisGod.co.za.
3 Jun 2012, 10:10 am
@CenturionShark (aka LondonShark)(londonshark)-560:
Shaun, jou bliksem! since when do you support the Sharks?
3 Jun 2012, 10:11 am
@ centurionshark,no man,lets see what skop can come up with!
3 Jun 2012, 10:11 am
Ok, so my observation of yesterday’s Stormers/Bulls clash.
Big concerns:
- Weak leadership shown by Boddydonna Spies. He does not have the ability to change a strategy or inspire his team.
- Stormers lineouts are a shocker.
- Our backs are hopeless. No plan, no imagination. No blindside wingers, no entries of fullbacks, just do what the coach says.
Jonathan Kaplan had a terrible game. I’m not sure what has happened to this guy but I would be concerned if he managed the game of an under 19 team.
The Bulls score is flattered by the fact that they did not actually score the try. I am an idealist to think that Pierre Spies would get up from the ruck and tell the ref that he didn’t actually score the try. Just me hoping his whole, I’m a Christian life is actually consistent. Anyway.
Heyneke Meyer can pick who he wants but what I’m concerned about is his inconsistent talks.
‘We were always looking to start the season with an experienced squad to face England, but injuries to certain players and the non-availability of others have made it difficult,’ said Meyer.
Yeah so Gio Aplon and JdJ has more experience than some of the backs chosen. Its an insult to our intelligence to say that JJ Engelbrecht brings more to the table than those two. I am not sure why Kolisi was not pick but one thing is for certain, Meyer is looking for kak by not picking a black player from the Eastern Cape that is playing out of his skin. He should be there on merit. Making him part of the ‘greater’ squad with some average players does nothing for his development.
Meyer has already been inconsistent in his communication. He promised open communication to players. From what I read on twitter, the players that were left out, had little idea.
3 Jun 2012, 10:12 am
Well at least it would appear that, contrary to my long held suspicion, that Keo isn’t G AY. I was convinced that he and Vrede had a Brokeback Mountain thing going on.
So at least that is cleared up.
3 Jun 2012, 10:12 am
You all realise that JJ is a wing NOT a center… they just play him there at the bulls because they are t-h-i-c-k….
3 Jun 2012, 10:13 am
@Cannon(Cannon)-555:
Now you know why keo paraded his bimbos on keo-tv. While getting a lap dance. Wonder no more.
3 Jun 2012, 10:15 am
Keo sniffing the tryline…
3 Jun 2012, 10:15 am
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-561:
Who the heck is Shaun? You got the wrong Shark mate.
3 Jun 2012, 10:15 am
Keo sn!ffing the tryline…
3 Jun 2012, 10:16 am
@Rage(Rage)-559:
Am I the only guy that thought Keo was the only sane person here?
I mean we have an impossibly beautiful girl, a guy that sees halfmoons and daffodils in Duane Vermeulens face and the calls Flo the cute boy next door, and a fembot with real lips and real legs, and real lines….then a fashionista with an immense inner conflict and identity crisis.
And let’s not even speak of the bloggers here. Ou Skoppie has been klapped so many times with the banhammer, Siri makes a different profile for him each time he logs on.
3 Jun 2012, 10:16 am
I check that keo has only managed a very weak attempt at defending the allegations on Twitter. Almost a mumble really. Can’t wait for the next episode of keogate.
3 Jun 2012, 10:17 am
@CenturionShark (aka LondonShark)(londonshark)-568:
Shaun that called himself god….Hitler called himself god once, how’d that work out for him?
Don’t we all just wish that he’d rather stayed home and gotten stoned like Keo?
3 Jun 2012, 10:17 am
gws i saw that aswell
stupid people use drugs imo
3 Jun 2012, 10:18 am
@IAAS(I am a stormer)-566:
Isn’t the plural of “bimbo”, bimbi?
3 Jun 2012, 10:18 am
@552 Because of 13 bulls, 3 Stormers; the “wrong” black players; team is only one quarter representative etc etc
3 Jun 2012, 10:19 am
Keo like a centre who doesn’t pass the ball, got white line fever.
3 Jun 2012, 10:19 am
@UptheGuts(UptheGuts)-328:
You can say that again.
Insanity is defined as repeating one and the same thing and hoping for a different result. We are so pre-occupied with size and we are not learning that we will not have a success rate in 80%+ range. The pre-occupation with size has not given us success, from White era to PDV and now with Meyer we are still preaching this domkrag rugby.
PDV when he started wanted to play good attractive rugby and all were on his case
because of that. If you think about it, this is the kind of rugby HM preaches. Think of his days with SWD and BB in early days with Anton Leanord as his eighthman, awful rugby. I guess we should not have expected anything new. Big brain dead players, skop voorentoe and hope for a mistake by opponents rugby.
Why did we expect anything different?
BECAUSE WE SOUTH AFRICANS ARE INSANE. See the definition.
3 Jun 2012, 10:20 am
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-572:
I’m very confused. I am hungover though, but it seems like you still drinking (which is impressive by the way).
3 Jun 2012, 10:21 am
@FckU2(FckU2)-485:
Thank you.
so much WP attitude and over reaction to a squad We all know was expected to be Blue laden and predictable. Yes, Aplon omission is a shock to even me but I dont see this squad as be all and end all.
We must back Meyer 100%. This team should put away the poms then we can look at the next challenge. I like the fact meyer is focus on the moment and not on RWC 2015.
To all the Wynand Olivier haters out there. I am sure this is all just fuel for him to perform and justify his place.
3 Jun 2012, 10:22 am
@viewer(viewer)-575:
Representative of what?
And thank goodness you’re here to save the day. Do we have a National Inequality Day yet? Boys, I think we’ve just found something to campaign for.
3 Jun 2012, 10:23 am
@Agile
You’re in good spirits today bru..I didnt see the squad yet but lemme guess,you’re in?
but ja I guess the silver lining here is that it was coke and not tik that keo was/is using
3 Jun 2012, 10:23 am
Fern I suspect skopshyte may be on the same stuff…or just forgets to take whatever medication she should be taking to keep those voices out of her deformed head.
3 Jun 2012, 10:24 am
@CenturionShark (aka LondonShark)(londonshark)-578:
Passopa
Fern is calling you stupid.
Retaliate, we cannot have god spoken of with such insolence.
3 Jun 2012, 10:25 am
Unlikr most Bloggers, I actually don’t care who HM picks, as long as we win 80% of our tests under him. I’m also only going to pass comment at the end of the year once he has had some time.
You see, I (along with 99% on this blog) are not professional coaches, and we don’t know what the coach wants.
Just like with dip villiers and jake the snake, I pass no comment till I see the results of the game.
HM – for all I care, pick wahl bartman, jannie breeft, adri geldenhuys and danie gerber….just achieve an average winning ratio of 80% and I will be happy.
I feel we have the players to achieve this statistic, so make it happen how you see fit.
3 Jun 2012, 10:26 am
@Viking(Viking)-369:
Totally agree with you. Well reasoned and factuallyu supported argoment. you desrve a bells. LOL.
3 Jun 2012, 10:27 am
gws
skop has sifilis and it has affected her brain,hence the rants
how can people work whilst on druks?
3 Jun 2012, 10:27 am
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-579:
Do you not think Meyer is looking for kak by not picking black players on merit? Picking Siya Kolisi over Marcel Coetzee is the right thing to do. Meyer has now been inconsistent about his open communication policy. Go look at Siya’s twitter account. This is the same thing we blamed other coaches for. Meyer took 7 years to get to the right formula for the Bulls. He is not a genius.
3 Jun 2012, 10:28 am
Just had a look at the squad…JJ Engelbrecht? Bwahahaha,get da f outta here
3 Jun 2012, 10:32 am
@Rage(Rage)-581:
It’s a beautiful day, it’s a wonderful life, heading towards the heart of winter and I’m still walking around in a t-shirt barefoot digging my toes into the grass, and looking up at cirrus clouds and jetstreams, and I’m at peace, it’s a good day.
3 Jun 2012, 10:34 am
@viewer(viewer)-575: let’s face it. Stormers do not play rugby – all they do is defend. 133 tackles against a team that actually plays rugby.
No Meyer is looking for rugby players not defenders.
Pray that the brokebacks do not face the Saders in the elimination round cause they will be moered ugly.
3 Jun 2012, 10:35 am
Is Jacques Potgieter not injured? If so, how does Heyneke, on merit and fitness, pick him over Kolisi?
3 Jun 2012, 10:36 am
I’ve watched most of the Super 15, please tell me what the following players have done to warrant selection?
JJ Engelbreght
Kanko
Jano Vermaak
Meisiekind (Timotei)
Zane K
? Please tell me because maybe I missed something this season?
3 Jun 2012, 10:38 am
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-570:
None of us are sane around here, mate. It’s like the inmates running the asylum. And keo is just one of us. As you said, I hope the oke manages his demons.
3 Jun 2012, 10:38 am
intelligent bunch these keo bloggers. HM is on of the most astute rugby personalities in the world. Rugby runs through his veins, by his position and past successes i think its a fair comment to note that he probably knows more about rugby than 99% of the people associated with game in any shape or form. In other words he knows his ****, we will win the England series 3 0 (it wont be pretty) and the stormers will win the super rugby competition displaying the talent pool in South Africa. All the naysayer”s will know this after we beat the world champs in Sowetho> my blood is green.
http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Mark-Keohane-in-cocaine-scandal-20120603
3 Jun 2012, 10:40 am
@IAAS(I am a stormer)-593:
Yes, I never claimed to be sane, but “we” are definitely one of the coolest persons I know
3 Jun 2012, 10:40 am
@RL(RL)-590:
The Stormers are starting to peak at the right time.
Just like the Lions are.
3 Jun 2012, 10:41 am
What I saw was a press conference with 3 reps of the old order believing that mag is krag. They have selected a so many who do not deserve to be there
Its shameful that they could drop Brussow and include people like Kanko, Olivier and Kirchner who have never made the step up.The last 2 are p l o n k e r s . Im sure their biometric people have done all the requisite measurements and determined these are the biggest and bulkiest, and have the quickest white-twitch muscles, What matters however is the grey matter between the ears. Maybe they measured their IQ’s and disqualified people like Aplon.
Prove me wrong happily, but I think we are going to be chasing the game against England, and that with an unturnable bulk of brawn. It takes brain to win tests
3 Jun 2012, 10:42 am
Hell but there are some pissed off people here today?
3 Jun 2012, 10:43 am
@brains_trust(brains_trust)-592:
JJ Engelbreght – good player the brokebacks let go of
Kanko – squat
Jano Vermaak – better than the brokeback scrummie
Meisiekind – let’s see his outside backs score more tries than de Jongh’s
Kirchner – super kak.
3 Jun 2012, 10:43 am
I’m glad the Lions will get relegated. Now the rugby can move to the FNB Stadium finally. Thank goodness.
3 Jun 2012, 10:45 am
White-line fever?
3 Jun 2012, 10:50 am
Swing low – sweet chariot…
3 Jun 2012, 10:51 am
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-598:
I’m not pissed off at all. I left Loftus yesterday with a smile on my face and a song in my heart.
3 Jun 2012, 10:51 am
We very well may end up winning the series against Eng with this squad. We may even win the Rugby Championship. But that’s hardly the issue here. The issue is that performance has not been rewarded and there’s such a heavy Bulls-bias in this squad, it contradicts Meyer’s earlier promise to not be Bullcentric (this, after he’d picked an all-Bulls assistants team). So no, I won’t wait to see results before criticising Meyer’s selections. I never did for PDiv (who also “knows more rugby than 99% of the bloggers here”) nor for Jake. I won’t now
3 Jun 2012, 10:51 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-601: Keo does not support the Stormers cause they have no clue how to get over the white line.
Come to think of it why does Vrede support the Bulls. Does he have the same white line frenzy that Keo has.
3 Jun 2012, 10:52 am
Shocked – is all I can say.
…………..the biggest story is Meisiekind above Juan du Jongh! I mean you have 2 inside centres in the squad in Jean de V & Frans S. Meisiekind can not be a back up for outside centre or wing, Juan de Jongh is explosive, what you need from an outside centre and can straighten the line – he did well at inside when Jean was injured.
For all the front foot ball the Bulls had they couldn’t do anything with it. I talso think he scored more tries for the Boks than WO – Oh I forgot, WO sucks in Green & Gold
I would be really pissed of this morning if I was JdJ
I share the sentiment of the other players who missed out.
Maybe not a bad idea to make your un 21 coach your national coach – no provincialism.
3 Jun 2012, 10:54 am
@hulk(hulk)-594: Mmmm, this Keohane story seems like a bit of revenge… Wonder who Keo’s enemies are…?
This seems to have NIA written all over it… and considering Dippy is now fairly well connected through Fikile Mbalula… Could it be that Dippy Divvy is having the last laugh…
Wouldnt be surprised if some “sudden” revelations start coming to the surface about the EP Kings cabal…
There are also a few little whispers of allegations of the rest of the Keo.co.za team and other unnamed sports journos at the SAB awards…
Very interesting this whole little soap opera especially considering the timing of the release of Dippy’s book… and the little digital twitter war with Joffe… and the earlier little snippets of HSMs cosy relationship with the EP Kings cabal and stadium management.
Expect more little juicy tidbits to follow… SA Rugby is rotten to the core it seems and the Keo/HSM controversies are merely the first little signposts of things to come…
The Big Guns are now at play…. Awuletha mshiniwami
3 Jun 2012, 10:54 am
@IAAS(I am a stormer)-603:
I said last night on Twitter, the most ironic thing is that I have never seen so many pissed off Stormers supporters after a victory at Lofuts!
3 Jun 2012, 10:55 am
@IAAS(I am a stormer)-603:
All you Stormer boys know that the biggest match of the season is still to be played – my leeusers against your brokebacks at Newlands. I can’t wait for the leeusers to sink the Storm boys campaign right at the last hurdle.
It’s true and it will happen
3 Jun 2012, 10:56 am
@brains_trust(brains_trust)-602:
Im the last to want to hear the Barmy Army singing that, but hell – havent we unwittingly gone and put some gloss on the Diamond Jubilee celebrations?
We are really up against it with this type of plonker thinking. I have no beef with the forwards. Marcell Coetzee showed in his first game at Newlands that he was/is special. Im glad Alberts is back, tho I didnt see the Lions game yesterday. But lets have less grind thump grunt in the backs and go for people like Aplon and (tho I dont rate him) Jantjies who can bring magic. Lambie is such a player, who at least has made the squad
3 Jun 2012, 10:56 am
The white line does not always have to be crossed, one could sniff victory in kicking over all the penalties.
3 Jun 2012, 10:58 am
Rugby Student.
Keep learning, you have much road to travel it would seem.
Why does this kind of wanton looting and destruction make you so happy?
3 Jun 2012, 10:58 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-607:
Mark has made lots of enemies over the years – why, I don’t know – never met him.
I have a feeling that some of them are using the allegations (by mainly one former employee) to settle some scores.
I have seen this letter and allegations from this employee about a month ago, my first thoughts were very much disgruntled employee but also not denying there might be some truth in what that individual claims.
I hardly found it newsworthy but then it seems some do – no doubt with a lot of underlying motives which has nothing to do with the claims, but using it to discredit him.
Anycase, will follow what transpires with interest.
3 Jun 2012, 11:00 am
Hi IAAS
I Agree. I normally have the ability to see the bigger picture but I’m struggling here. For example: if the Stormers were in the bottom half of the competition I can understand but they are nr 2 from 15 top teams from the southern hemisphere
…………does not make sense.
3 Jun 2012, 11:01 am
@Lazer(Lazer)-606: Meisiekind, JJE or JPP will be 13…
Simple…
This is the run on side:
15 Lambie
14. JPP/Basson
13. Meisiekind/JPP
12. Steyn
11. Habana
10. Steyn
9. Hougaard/Pienaar
8. Spies/Daniel
7. Alberts
6. Potgieter/Coetzee
5. Kruger
4. Etsebeth
3. DuP/Kruger
2. Bismarck/Chilli
1. Beast/Coenie
Once some of you fools get past your petty provincial emotionalism you will acknowledge a pretty damn decent, solid and balanced side… As an Honest Rugby Supporter, I like it.
3 Jun 2012, 11:02 am
Is the Bulls structure so complicated that Meyer thinks no professional rugby player outside of the Bulls can learn it? From what I saw last night Dewald Duvenage had Francois Hougaard’s number.
3 Jun 2012, 11:02 am
Typical Keo……………………….stealing the limelight of Meyer’s big night.
3 Jun 2012, 11:02 am
@Lazer(Lazer)-614:
Bekker, Burger & Vermeulen would have been automatic selections if fit. Some selections does not make sense other than Meyer’s familiarity with said players – and even that is understandable as he only has a week to prepare for England and the more familiar he is with his team and they with him, the easier it will be for him.
Let’s see what happens in the Pom series and criticise thereafter (if at all) – I expect a whole bunch of players to be added and chopped for the Castle Series.
3 Jun 2012, 11:03 am
http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Mark-Keohane-in-cocaine-scandal-20120603
Anyone that glorifies Puke Twatson has to be on drugs.
3 Jun 2012, 11:04 am
I would like to hear from Bulls fans about their views on the Bok squad. Do you guys feel that the Stormers franchise can justifiably feel hard done by?
3 Jun 2012, 11:05 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-615:
As an Honest Rugby Supporter can you honestly say that Potgieter (injured btw) and Coetzee is better than Kolisi? People aren’t angry about the run-on team, they are angry about the fact that Meyer is inconsistent. He was the one who said, no bias and open communication with players. Go look at the players twitter accounts, they did not know. So what more does Kolisi need to do to beat an injured Potgieter and an average Coetzee?
3 Jun 2012, 11:07 am
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-608:
As for the composition of the squad, certain guys can feel justifiably diappointed. Especially de Jongh and Kolisi. And Aplon, as good as he is, he is not an up and coming youngster. And HM knows this. Their time will come when others fail. And I’m not wishing failure on any one. But the guys playing will realise that there’s someone else chasing his place. And I feel that is what HM wants to go with. First up he’s going with the players he knows and has worked with. In creating a bigger working group, if someone falls off the bus, there will be someone to step in and improve on that. That is HM’s thinking.
3 Jun 2012, 11:08 am
RugbyStudent
Would love to answer your bright eyed and bushy tailed little question, but feel that the explanation of how rugby actually worksn beyond the wrapped up TV product you are obviously basing your assertion on will take so long, that I would rather retire to brunch and accept and tolerate your ignorance , which you have every right to.
3 Jun 2012, 11:09 am
HM hasn’t lost any Test yet, mind you?
But there is a reason for concern because of the Bulls’ losing streak last few weeks, they are clearly a dysfunctional team now, the performance of Hougaard, Spies and Styen has been pathetic to say the least.
But it seemingly not a concern for HM though ?
3 Jun 2012, 11:10 am
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-613: Yeah… I dont find the coke and prostitutes particularly newsworthy… Wild party’s, drugs and *** in Sporting circles… Old news.
I do however find the sexpest allegations intriguing… and that HSM has been to more than a few CCMA meetings and settled…
I dont think this is just a disgruntled former employee(s) behind this, I see a pattern linked with other revelations/allegations targeted at Keo and HSM…
It might be more than just Sport involved here, i.e. Business Day – Political Nexus… HSM may have stepped on a few Mangaung bound toes.
3 Jun 2012, 11:10 am
@hensopper1(hensopper1)-623:
Ok.
3 Jun 2012, 11:10 am
@Lazer(Lazer)-614: right now you cannot see the big picture – the reality is that the team that finishes first on the log will face the saders in the semi. It would be best for the brokebacks to finish second overall and prepare to meet the saders in the final – that is if they can take care of the brumbies in the semi.
3 Jun 2012, 11:12 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-625:
Well yeah – I suppose it happens when you piss a few folks off.
3 Jun 2012, 11:12 am
@IAAS(I am a stormer)-622:
He hasn’t worked with Coetsee any more than he has with Kolisi. Same with JJE as opposed to JdJ…
3 Jun 2012, 11:13 am
@RugbyStudent(RugbyStudent)-621: Coetzee is at least as good as Kolisi… Simple. His stats for runs and tackles sitting at Prime spot in S15.
Potgieter was dynamite before injury and I reckon it is no coincidence that a drop in the Bulls performance is linked to his absence.
Kolisi is good… also a revelation… But unlucky in selection. He will be a Bok by year end though… so untie those twisted knickers…
3 Jun 2012, 11:14 am
Heavens Game
I have a feeling he will go for Jdiv at 13, which I think is a mistake. No one in the squad have the same line breaking ability than JdJ – only other centre that falls in that category is Paul Jordaan and it is a pity that Sadie has not performed – he would also fall in that category
Look at Danie Gerber, Mannetjies Roux, Faffa knoetze, etc who had that ability………………..nothing to do with provincialism
No 8 – I prefer a bruiser like Alberts or Strauss there with Vermeulen out – Keegen like Spies disappears when on the back foot.
3 Jun 2012, 11:16 am
@604 – Youre an idiot.
Performance is exactly the issue. Nobody cares who played for the Boks in 1995, 1998, 2007, 2009. All we remember was that in those years, we won more than 90% of the games that we played.
Meyer is not picking individuals on form. He is picking combinations that he has available to win him games.
I dont care who he plays in the team, as long as we clock the 80% winning ratio.
At the end of the year, if we are at 60%, I will then start to throw stones at him, not before.
3 Jun 2012, 11:17 am
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-628: Yeah… The usual suspects in this little debacle could be a list as long as…. All of SA Rugby…
But I dont think this is a Usual Suspect thing…
Something is definitely afoot here… (Wonder if Rapport and City Press are in the same stable – both seem to have broken the story first)
3 Jun 2012, 11:18 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-630:
I just think Meyer is looking for kak by picking a also-good white player above a merit selection black player. He has the opportunity to do that why go looking for trouble? Potgieter is injured…it sends the wrong message and creates inconsistency. Meyer can pick who he wants but then he must not say he only picks on merit. Which franchise you come from obviously plays a big role.
3 Jun 2012, 11:18 am
Meyer is looking for experience as well as youth. Kolisi is still in the training squad but will obviously not play in the three tests. I’m guessing Meyer is a little concerned he may be carrying side effects of an injury. Kolisi will play in the Rugby Championship…no doubt about that.
Brussow will be in with a chance then too….watch.
All the knee-jerk whining is for nothing. Meyer knows what he’s doing girls.
3 Jun 2012, 11:19 am
@Melchizedek(Melchizedek)-629:
HM rates Marcel Coetzee. Every coach has his favourites. And I’m sure Kolisi will get an opportunity.
And don’t forget HM brought JJ Engelbrecht to the Bulls. After all HM was the Bulls scout for 10 years.
3 Jun 2012, 11:20 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-630:
Where do you get the stats?
3 Jun 2012, 11:20 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-615: You really honestly to god think he´s going to leave out a possible captain in jean de Villiers? If you ask me he will be playing 13.
3 Jun 2012, 11:20 am
RL – Big picture comment not directed at Super 15 ranking but selections. But I agree, better for the S to end 2nd
Pissant – Gio not up and coming. Dan Carter is also not up and coming but established………………………need I say more
3 Jun 2012, 11:21 am
@BULLET(BULLET)-632:
Ok
3 Jun 2012, 11:22 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-625:
Strange that this new chick just disappeared off the radar after three weeks. Wonder what will come out of that.
Watch keogate for the next episode.
3 Jun 2012, 11:22 am
@Lazer(Lazer)-631: “go(ing) for Jdiv at 13″ will certainly be a mistake, however your comment “No one in the squad have the same line breaking ability than JdJ” is not true… I dont think JdJ has had more line breaks this season than a count of little fingers on both of my hands…
Not his fault because AC is not playing him in his best position, 12, and he certainly does not get the ball too often especially considering inside backs not noted for passing and adventurous rugby…
3 Jun 2012, 11:23 am
Heinrich Brussouw’s exclusion is not such a big deal. What is a big deal is that players like Francois Louw who can both run with the ball, defend and scavenge are rare. It makes us predictable and easier to plan against.
3 Jun 2012, 11:23 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-633:
They are from the same stable.
3 Jun 2012, 11:24 am
@Lazer(Lazer)-631: You wont see Alberts at 8 with Daniel, Spies and Kanko in the squad – no doubt he will be 7.
And to be honest if De Villiers is going to play which I´m sure he will be considering Jacques Fourie isnt available, will make a better 13 than 12 because id rather him crash it up at 13 than 12 and kill all backline moves like Meisiekind always does. At least on occasion Frans Steyn can skip pass to the wings and get it out there. With JDV at 12 no-one will ever see the ball.
3 Jun 2012, 11:25 am
@IAAS-622 – Many of the selections (Kankowski, Coetsee for example) are players HM has not worked with, and I am not sure how many of those Bulls players HM has worked with – has he worked with Potgieter, Basson, Engelbrecht? I doubt it.
That is not to say these players are poor. But the “i know these guys argument” doesn’t work here for these selections. The first bite of the cherry is crucial because the Springboks will beat England and make certain players retain their positions for the 4Nations. Only against NZ and Aus will the weak get exposed and possible changes made. By then the season is over and those that deserved the call first up have to regain momentum created earlier in the season.
3 Jun 2012, 11:25 am
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-635: indeed Kolisi like Josh Strauss have been playing with injuries – they need a break and do not need to face the Poms. Their time will come.
3 Jun 2012, 11:26 am
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-638: The only reason I can see for JdV being in the team is leadership, temporary at best for England series, especially considering the absence of FdP… He certainly isnt there as the best 12 or 13, thats for sure…
I wonder if all you Barney haters will direct the same opprobrium Donkeys way if he is made Captain for this Pom series… Or will it just be further exquisite Cape Keo hypocrisy.
3 Jun 2012, 11:26 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-630: forget about the springbok team and tell me what went wrong with the sharks yesterday?
3 Jun 2012, 11:27 am
Heavens Game – something we agree on. Had he had the same front foot ball or for that matter played for the bulls his stats might look better.
but that’s the job of the coach to identify players – Danie G played for a poor EP side and didn’t get many opportunities to score but was a total different player for the Boks
3 Jun 2012, 11:27 am
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-641: Yeah… but I have a sneaking feeling that “she” might just be Dogfood…
3 Jun 2012, 11:30 am
@Lazer(Lazer)-631:
It the snub of Peter Grant which is the concern, he’s a better flyhalf than Morne Styen will ever be.
You could see that for yourself once again yesterday.
3 Jun 2012, 11:30 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-648: JDV was the best 12 in SA this weekend.
3 Jun 2012, 11:30 am
Not one linebreak for Donkey last night. He is slow and predictable. Habana is on fire and will relish playing against the Poms. They are going to have a hard time closing him down.
JP Pietersen was up to his usual tricks dropping the ball last night. Pressure games not for him it seems..
The Sharks game dropped gear and accelerated the moment Burden took the field. He is phenomenal.
Ndungane is a hasbeen…no all round game skills and defence is a problem yet again. Bosman is a huge disappointment. Being first choice centre is clearly too much for him mentally. Same for Ndungane. On a positive note, the youngsters in The Sharks squad are going to fire in the Currie Cup next year. Looking very very good.
3 Jun 2012, 11:31 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-648:
JDV is coming to the end of his career. And HM knows that. That is why he is looking for other leaders in the group. I don’t think he will go with a long term appointment like Jake and snor did. Even the Rugby Championship and EOYT. He wants to keep his options open until he knows the players better. And by that, I mean the non-Bulls players. He has said as much.
3 Jun 2012, 11:32 am
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-644: Let me “guess”, News24.com also from the same “stable” too
3 Jun 2012, 11:32 am
Steve Warren – is in the same breath than the Rebels beating the Crusaders. The Lions played like they did in the CC final – a bit smarter
I think you missed Paul Jordaan at 13 like the Stormers did Kolise against the Sharks
3 Jun 2012, 11:33 am
@Hondo(Hondo)-652: Ag asseblief. Ek kan verder as Grant skop. People should remember the Stormers defense won the game for them. Not Grant, not their lineouts, nothing else but defense and the Bulls lack of finishing.
3 Jun 2012, 11:34 am
@garth(garth)-653: No he wasnt… Butch James was actually.
3 Jun 2012, 11:34 am
WTF Heyneckes team has lost its last 3 games. I might as well have bought Bulls season tickets to see these plankers in action.
Heynecke your true colours are showing, and it is blue. I suspect you have been having some late night parties with Keo and JJ Harmse…
3 Jun 2012, 11:34 am
@RL(RL)-647:
Your Lions had fishfood for dinner last night boet. Well played…Sharks were made to look like scared little girls.
I think Bosman was bought by you okes for the night. He is such a gentleman for allowing the game to flow..right past him.
3 Jun 2012, 11:35 am
Great White Shark – who is Donkey?
3 Jun 2012, 11:35 am
@Horings(Horings)-658:
How do you score more points if you can only defend?
3 Jun 2012, 11:37 am
@garth(garth)-653: He is the best, but not good enough. Frans Steyn should get the nod. Hopefully the U20s will pick our centre pairing in 2 years time. Jan Serfontein and Paul Jordaan. Size and speed.
3 Jun 2012, 11:37 am
@Lazer(Lazer)-662:
The one and only crashball go nowhere goon…de Villiers.
3 Jun 2012, 11:39 am
@IAAS(I am a stormer)-655: Agree, 100%… He is nothing if not methodical.
3 Jun 2012, 11:39 am
I think alot of you will be surprised at Frans Steyn’s fitness and form. It has always been unfair to create a halo over him.
3 Jun 2012, 11:39 am
Morne Steyn is not the answer at flyhalf. He’s boring, predictable and well apst his best. Lambie at flyhalf with Frans at Fullback. Hopefully the Bull plonkers in the team will be relegated to the bench or the cheap seats at Loftus.
3 Jun 2012, 11:40 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-607:
call it karma, its well documented that keo (the small fry that he is) has stepped on many toes going all the way back to Staaldraad days. Boggles why the powers that be would bother with this, lets call it a personal vendetta or in fact an isolated airing of keo’s dirty laundry. Whichever it is What goes around comes around.
As far as the world of SA rugby politics goes, id say its wiser and safer to be part of the white house shenanigans than too tango with these lot. Little birdies have tweeted and apparentyl HM has been told (via stellenbosch) to pick his cptn from the cape region, obviously the guy isn’t pleased but he mustv known who he was dancing with when he took the job. (this why there are so few stormers players? or maybe its in SA’s best interest that the stormers recuperate).
All here say, be what may keo will fight back and dirty at that (its what his good at) and the boks will win the england series.
More dirty laundry to follow.
PS with reference to the Kings saga me thinks keo has some serious dirt on SA rugby using it as a catalyst to aid the Kings debut season. One pawn out the way, SARU 1-1 Kings
3 Jun 2012, 11:40 am
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-618: Agreed Morne, And good morning mate
I also agree that there are players that shouldnt be there, but they had training camps , amd obviously he has gone for those that fit nto his prefeered style of play and yes some form.
He aslo has kept most of the experienced players he could,
Infact there are maybe 5 players that one could swop out with other players and most of those are out injured
like those you mentioned, to me the 2 most unlucky players are brussow and Aplon
3 Jun 2012, 11:41 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-651:
She definitely is not a Sharks fan. Very feminie posts too so you may be on to something.
What man says ROTFLMFAO?
3 Jun 2012, 11:41 am
Sorry add to that Kolisi, although Kolisi is on the list of 6 players invited to train with the Boks,
3 Jun 2012, 11:41 am
@RugbyStudent(RugbyStudent)-663: The Bulls should have taken the game away from the Stormers and they did not. Two moments stood out for me. We had a 5 meter lineout in the 2nd half and we lost the crucial lineout and Olivier showed his lack of vision in the first half by passing to JJ and not out wide.
Kolisi was monstrous and Habana was very good, but Grant could not get them territory and the Boks will not be able to dominate if our flyhalf cannot kick.
3 Jun 2012, 11:42 am
hehehe, so when HM was selected there were all the posters here saying he’s going to play boring, predictable rugby, kick & chase, give away and defend rugby and how that would be a tragedy for SA with all teh talent we have.
So he confounds them by not choosing the bulk of the team that has been playing boring, predictable rugby, kick & chase, give away and defend rugby, and now everyone is grumpy. A team who cannot manufacture a try to save their lives btw. How many tries have they scored this season, and importantly, how many have they LOOKED like scoring?
methinks that regardless of who he picked he would have had the same issues. the Nama’s of the world complaining about not enough black players, the provincialists complaining about the fact that their whole team including the mascots havent been selected, and then accusing HM of provincialism because he DARED pick somene from a different team
you guys are pathetic, step back, take a large sip of maturity and have a look at the comments on this article.
its bloody shameful, is what it is.
i’m embarrased to be a Bok supporter reading this tripe. and the final squad hasnt even been announced. the first game hasnt even been played.
3 Jun 2012, 11:44 am
@RugbyStudent(RugbyStudent)-637: http://www.rugbystats.com.au/rugby/super15/player-stats.html
And to quote Nick Mallet: “Marcel Coetzee is the guy I would pick, he is in the top five in terms of tackle stats and in ball carries.”
PS. Take a squizz at the offloads stats too and note Keegan Daniel.
3 Jun 2012, 11:45 am
I thought that I will pop in and rub a bit of salt into a few open wounds.. Mark Kokane is a bigger twat than I could ever have imagined but his fall should be a lesson to all the other twats on this site including Heyneke AWB Meyer. What is the chances of HM starting with 13 non-black players to sell his white supremacist ideology ..
Got go.. I won’t be responding until Tuesday so let’s leave it till then
3 Jun 2012, 11:45 am
its funny how people keep on saying jdj and aplon are to small but the big bulls runners didn’t do squat against them yesterday. Jpp was made to look like a poephol at 13 against the lions yesterday.
3 Jun 2012, 11:46 am
…………did he have space to do anything else with the Bulls rush defense? In such a tight game you risk turnover by spreading the ball to quick to the wings, especially if you are not on the front foot. Rather keep the ball and set up the 2nd phase and when you get quick ball then put your wings away
……………….basics really
what happened to Hougaardt last night………………..I’m a bit fan of this guy but he was shown up by Duvenhage of all scrummies behind a losing pack!?
3 Jun 2012, 11:46 am
@roobarb2(roobarb2)-674: well said, give that man a bells’!
3 Jun 2012, 11:46 am
@hulk(hulk)-669: Hmmm… Interesting. I dont think this is a SARU gig though…
3 Jun 2012, 11:46 am
@Horings(Horings)-673:
Yes, your point was that the Stormers can only defend and it implies they cannot score points. To make things worse, Spies’ try was not legit (and what disappoints me more..as a leader he could not do the Christian thing and tell the ref…eh) I keep hearing the Stormers can’t score tries…so what of the other teams that cannot score against the Stormers?
3 Jun 2012, 11:47 am
I mean big fan
3 Jun 2012, 11:48 am
@roobarb2(roobarb2)-674: And so say all Honest Rugby Fans…
Well said!!!
3 Jun 2012, 11:50 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-675: Keo to ean R600k p/m at the Kings. “THEY” would never allow it
3 Jun 2012, 11:50 am
@youknowwho(youknowwho)-676: Heil Shaun!
Back with a goose step….
3 Jun 2012, 11:50 am
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-670:
Brussow’s omission is not a surprise at all. HM doesn’t see the need right now for a so-called fetcher. Brussow’s penalty count worked against him. Expect to see big bruising loose forwards taking the field. When everyone is fit, he’ll go:
8 Vermeulen – and he like Alberts there too by the way
7 Jacques Potgieter – maybe Alberts as well
6 Schalk – who will wear this jersey against the Poms I don’t know- maybe Keegan.
3 Jun 2012, 11:51 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-675:
Thanks for that..been looking for a stats site. How many games did Siya and Marcell play?
3 Jun 2012, 11:52 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-675: Besides kicking, not one Bulls player features in any positive stat.
3 Jun 2012, 11:52 am
@SteveWarren(SteveWarren)-677:
It’s the size of the heart that counts Steve.
3 Jun 2012, 11:53 am
Stormers could have scored more tries if it was not for all the cynical penalties teams give away when they do get close……………..like old Van Heerden coming in on the side to kill an attacking move. That is why the Stormers get so many kickable penalties
and the other reason is their line out sucks at the moment, used to be a big weapon in the past
3 Jun 2012, 11:53 am
@Horings(Horings)-658:
I would simply said the Stormers are much more than just a defence, Grant @ Duvenage combo are the reason with their game management;
They don’t panic
They shown to play to the opposition’s weaknesses in the 2nd half
They are the opposite of the showponies such as Hougaard
3 Jun 2012, 11:53 am
@roobarb2(roobarb2)-674: the first game has been played boet, and the Stormers allready beat this Bok team.
Piere, Wynand, JJ, Morne does not belong – unless they are there to coach the more gifted players in the Heynecke way. 7/10 armchair critics could have picked a better Bok team! Heynecke may be a good coach, but his eye for talent seems to be blind.
Lets not forget that his “claim to fame” is the 2007 Super rugby title, which in all fairness was handed to him by pathetic refereeing in the final seconds of that game. He has not proven that he can bark with the big dogs when it comes to international provincial or international rugby. This team sellection just adds fuel to the fire.
3 Jun 2012, 11:53 am
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-661:Frans Steyn will end Bosman’s career.
3 Jun 2012, 11:53 am
@hulk(hulk)-684: Hahahaha… “THEY”
3 Jun 2012, 11:55 am
Go Bokke!!!!
WP should count themselves lucky to get a month off…only SA team in running now…
I agree with going for a big team….would love to see Aplon square off with Tulagi!!!! Aint gonna happen though!!!!
Everybody should chill out with the criticism….how many Super titles have you ****** coached???? Sure HM knows what he is doing…
3 Jun 2012, 11:57 am
The one big eye opener for me concerning the Live Bok announcement last nigth was how Jurie Roux conformed perfectly to the SARU stereotype…. The guy looks and sounds Brain dead…
And this guy is supposed to be “impressive”… Farkme… First impressions count and my first impression on seeing this fool is: no farken wonded SA Rugby gets at board level in SANZAR….
3 Jun 2012, 11:58 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-696: Wonded=wonder
3 Jun 2012, 11:59 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-694:
Tough luck to your team yesterday.
A week is a long time in Super rugby.
Flying high as a kite the one day and then back to earth with a moerse bang.
I guess you know what I mean
Do you think the Stormers have a slight chance to get a home semi now?
3 Jun 2012, 11:59 am
@ossewa(ossewa)-695:
Everyone needs to give HM a break. The oke won’t sleep the night before the test. I couldn’t give a toss how many Pinkies are in the team. I just want to see the Boks winning on a regular basis.
3 Jun 2012, 11:59 am
@JohnyBlack(JohnyBlack)-692: HM has no coaching credentials?
you are seriously going with that?
3 Jun 2012, 12:01 pm
@IAAS(I am a stormer)-686:
What’s so ‘bruising’ about Kanko and Spies?
Albert is just an ‘intermited bruiser’, not a full time ram
The real bruisers are Deysel, Elstadt and Jacques Cronje’, at least one should have been in the line up to mitigate the loss of SB and J. Smith?
3 Jun 2012, 12:02 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-698:
Have you noticed that the Bulls have lost 60% of their matches while playing in pink? I hope they stick with it and use it for all their matches.
3 Jun 2012, 12:03 pm
I see all the armchair-idiots are out in full force today.
Pietersen, Juan de Jongh, Peter Grant are not as good as people make them out to be. They are not the reason for the Stormers success. Haven’t most of you muppets been bemoaning the Stormers not scoring enough tries? You could replace them with any of Kirchner, Ebersohn, Ludik etc etc and the Stormers performance won’t change one iota. Equating the Stormers log position with the need to pick their backline players for the Boks is ridiculous. Grow a brain please. Even I, not liking Kirchner one bit, would prefer him at 15 than Pietersen or Aplon giving the physical nature of the England series.
Aplon, sure he is a bit unlucky maybe but he has always been a borderline Bok selection no matter what anyone says. So for him to be not selected is hardly a disaster. Especially since we are not likely to play an open game which is his strength! Engelbrecht/Basson in ahead of him for the highball is understandable.
Kolisi, this is the only real surprise but you guys already forget he was overshadowed by Coetzee in the Sharks vs Stormers clash last week. So this is hardly such a way out choice between the two. Who else would you drop for him? Use your heads people. At least he is in the training group and will definitely play Tests in the future. Marginal difference, if any.
Brussow, he is not nearly the factor he has been in prior years. He is still good but it remains a fact that he is not at his best and giving away many penalties. What you lose in the loose with him compared to other, bigger flankers is not worth it right now. The same people that probably railed at other players being pick on reputation alone will now scream and rave about Brussow. Let us be consistent here. He is not in form.
Franco vdM, this is a surprise pick but let us be honest. After Bekker/Etzebeth/Kruger (who are the top 3 picks if fit) there is no one else that stands out. Franco disrupted a lot of Sharks ball yesterday if you muppets could open your eyes. On that basis, i.e. everyone has been moaning “pick form players”, he played himself into the Bok team. Well done to him.
Elstadt, thank God he is not selected. Good player but I have been saying since the beginning of the season he is too indisciplined. I have no idea why some people are bitching about his exclusion.
So after you lot have wiped the froth from your lips and started to use your heads you will see most of the picks are well balanced given the short term injury list and game plan. A game plan that unfortunately has to be what it will be due to the Boks having a limited time frame.
@roobarb2 – You are entirely right. The comments here are shameful.
3 Jun 2012, 12:03 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-696: Babbelas on Sunday doing wonders:
Should be: First impressions count and my first impression on seeing this fool is: no farken wonder SA Rugby gets molested at board level in SANZAR….
3 Jun 2012, 12:04 pm
@Hondo(Hondo)-701:
“Albert is just an ‘intermited bruiser’, not a full time ram”
Classic line- and very true.
3 Jun 2012, 12:04 pm
Will the Southern Kinkies rename their ground Coke Park?
3 Jun 2012, 12:06 pm
@STBUR(STBUR)-703:
Kolisi didn’t play last week
3 Jun 2012, 12:08 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-698: Lol… Twat.. Stormers have the inside track to a home semi now… However as you saw last night, in Rebs/Saders, and Blues/Chiefs anything can happen… Fat lady hasnt sung yet… However this might just be a blessing in disguise for the Sharks… a 6th place finish followed by a journey to the Brumbies might not be so bad after all…
3 Jun 2012, 12:09 pm
@Hondo(Hondo)-701:
Where did I mention Spies or Kanko in that post.
What I’ve said earlier is that Spies will play because others are injured ie Vermeulen. And because the Sharks are playing Alberts at 7 and not 8. By that reasoning, Spies will be rated 3rd choice no. 8.
As for Kanko, HM was impressed with him at the Sharks camp and don’t be surprised to see him in the starting 22 and replacing Britney at 60 minutes.
3 Jun 2012, 12:09 pm
@STBUR(STBUR)-703: Yeh, Coetzee really made Kolisi his ***** last week… idiot.
3 Jun 2012, 12:10 pm
@IAAS(I am a stormer)-702:
Vey interesting.
They asked Deon Steggman about this on TV last week- according to him the colour of the jersey makes no difference- but maybe it makes a differnnce “deep inside” them, they just do not realise it.
3 Jun 2012, 12:12 pm
@Hondo(Hondo)-652:
“he’s (Peter Grant) a better flyhalf than Morne Styen will ever be………………..”
I concur.
In fact,I would go even further. Grant is the best 10 SA have produced in a decade.
3 Jun 2012, 12:12 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-708:
U are indeed the eternal optimist.
I give you that.
But you are right, it is certainly not over.
3 Jun 2012, 12:13 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-648: Well thats exactly my point – if he has only been chosen for his leadership status it follows that he WILL be on the field at either 12 or 13 and considering Steyn excelled at 12 in the WC I think Meyer would be a total fool to not play him. So either Steyn will play 12 or 13 – dont think anyone has actually considered Steyn at 12 but its a distinct possibility in which case it spells disaster for the backline with De Villiers killing all the ball. Its too horrible to contemplate.
I´m just plain the moer in with this team and I fear worse is to come. I mean JJ Engelbrecht I agree is a good player but he just isnt there yet – not by a mile – and yet there he is in the team. What about Ebersohn? What about Juan de Jongh? What about even playing Lambie or Houghaard at 13 where both have played and done well? Instead theres talk of JP Pietersen at 13 which quite frankly he hasnt been great at this season or JJ Engelbrecht. Pfff.
The majority of people are complaining about the same issues here – exclusion of Brussouw, Kolisi, De Jongh, Aplon and Joe Pietersen. and inclusion of Spies, Kanko, JJ Engelbrecht, Kirchener and Wynand. If the majority of rugby followers can agree on that then its clear to me theres a strong case to be made for an error of judgement on one mans part. He may have more expereince than all of us but you cant tell me he is absolutely right and we are totally wrong. No way. Selectors should actually listen to the rugby public a bit more if you ask me. we guys are so passionate about our rugby and watch so much of it i´d say our opinion carries some weight – especially when in consensus.
3 Jun 2012, 12:14 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-713: As our famous French 10 once said:
SHARKS FOREVER…
Its never over till the final whistle blows…
3 Jun 2012, 12:15 pm
Big problems in several departments. Elton Jantjies is primarily a quota player (at least he is better than Earl Rose thank goodness.) Zane Kirchner, another quota player, who never inspires a decent counter attack (preferring to run straight into traffic) and always being found out of position when the opposition has made a break. Then there is the penalty machine Flip can der Merwe. And as much as I’m a fan of Spies, I just do not think he deserves to be in the team. Put someone more deserving in. Kolisi is a star of the future and his time will come. Just not now though. When Vermuelen comes back, there’s a good chance the Stormers loosies Kolisi, Burger and Vermuelen might be the Bok loosies for the Tri-Nations and beyond
3 Jun 2012, 12:17 pm
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-714: “dont think anyone has actually considered Steyn at 12″… Are you SURE about that? You know Frans Steyn, the guy who won a WC at 12 and who became 1st choice at 12 in 2011 before injury… Come now Slummies
The rest are unfortunate, however they were pipped by better players and options IMO…
3 Jun 2012, 12:19 pm
@cane(cane)-712: cane did you hear the breaking news – Keohane does co…….cane
And yes we moered the guppies yesterday …. handing the canes a playoff spot.
3 Jun 2012, 12:20 pm
@STBUR(STBUR)-703: I agree with your points but lets say we are playing a tight game – can you honestly tell me Bassons defence trumps Aplon? Does Joe Pietersen not have a doble edged sword in being able to kick fantastically AND break the line at will? Is Kirchener really a better selection? In all honesty? Pietersen for a small guy has been more than solid under the high ball.
Brussouw sure i can agree with him being a bit borderline at present and it doesnt shock me too much but Kolisi? What exactly has Marcell Coetzee done that makes him better than Kolisi? Theyre much of a muchness and after yesterday I´d actually say Kolisi has an edge – the question is why is Potgieter there if he is supposed to be injured? Or just coming back form injury??? Thats a weird one – I like him tons but in this case I would have given Kolisi that spot. Anyday.
No-one is equating the Stormers log position with the players absent but in all honesty with very little backline ball players like Aplon and Pietersen have been excellent. Regardless. Just doenst make sens that the top Super team in SA has only 3 players and the Bulls almost a full team – i mean really – can you honestly say that? Only reasoning I can think of is he has worked with the majority of the Bulls players and prefers the devil he knows than the one he doesnt based on the short amount of time to prepare. Otherwise there is no explanation.
3 Jun 2012, 12:22 pm
What a stupid squad…Enland’s chances just improved dramatically. England to win the series 3-0. And who the hell is Jaques Potgieter?
3 Jun 2012, 12:22 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-717: typo was meant ot be 13
3 Jun 2012, 12:25 pm
@RL(RL)-718: ja exactly the problem with dom Afrikaans mentality sa rugby. Bliksem the moer out of each other but think ourselves lesser when playing the big boys form overseas – we just do them all favours instead of the other way around. rather bliksem the hell out of each other like some hillbillys and then roll over like puppy dogs for the likes of Waratahs and Force to come piss on us. Its discragceful – glad Lions hit their straps finally yesterday but very unhappy it had to be against a home side as usual. Speaks volumes about our insecure overseas is better than us weak mentality. We revere the Antipodeans too much and dont think highly enough of ourselves.
3 Jun 2012, 12:25 pm
@garth(garth)-688: heh
none so blind as those who will not see…
Basson is in second place for tries this season, behind Taylor from the Hurricanes.
Kirchner is the SA back with the highest turnover numbers, also equal top of the stats for try assists. None of the guys being mooted comes close in either stat.
Grant is the SA back with the second highest missed tackle count. (behind Mcloud) So he cant tackle, and he cant kick for touch like Steyn, but he must be picked ahead of Steyn?
If Goosen wasnt injured the Grant conversation would have been moot anyway.
3 Jun 2012, 12:26 pm
@Zinto(Zinto)-720: who is Jacque Potgieter? where the hell do you live? under a rock? in mud isle? cannot afford DSTV hey.
Watch rugby ffs before broadcasting your ignorance.
3 Jun 2012, 12:26 pm
What F8ckin BULLSHIT on this so called “Siya Kolisi its good he wasnt picked to DEVELOP him and pick him in greater squad,not to make him a Chilliboy blah blah blah FCKIn BLAH!!!!!!!
The above statement is the biggest bunch of self serving horse sh*t i have ever heard.
Siya Kolisi is 20 yrs old.Marcel Coetzee is 20,Eben Etzebeth is 20…
Why is it “appropriate” to pick Eben & Coetzee as Boks who are same age as Kolisi yet Kolisi must be “developed”.What is it that makes white players “born ready”?? Is it G*d given I guess? The chosen ones while the poor black boy must bow down to BAAS and hope to be developed so those of a lighter hue can say “ya nice boy now u can play coz ur developed”…
HORSESH*T
3 Jun 2012, 12:27 pm
@Zinto(Zinto)-720: Jacques Potgieter till he got injured was actually one of my choice 7´s for the Boks. I like the guy lots. he has loads of go forward and breaks the line regularly. Hard worker. But coming back from injury? Think its a dumb call of NOTE.
3 Jun 2012, 12:28 pm
Werner kruger, JJ Engwlbrecht,Zane Kirchner,Keegan Daniel,Ryan Kankowski,Wynand Olivier and Jaques Potgieter are all weak players.
Should and will be replaced with Brian Mujati,Juan de Jongh, Gio Aplon,Siya Kolisi, Joe Pietersen,Peter Grant,Heinrich Brussow.
3 Jun 2012, 12:29 pm
RL JOU P
3 Jun 2012, 12:29 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-725: agree totally Mshini – if nayone DESERVED to be in the squad 100% this year amongst the loosies it was Kolisi. When he came onto the scene he played well but I thought he might be a bit too small to make it but every week he proved me wrong and more. he has been fantastic and for him to be exlcuded for the like sof an injurde player coming back or for Marcell Coetzee who is also good but not necessarily any better is a disgrace. I back you 100%. Kolisi should be in the squad. He needs no development. he´s there already.
3 Jun 2012, 12:30 pm
@roobarb2(roobarb2)-674:
“the Nama’s of the world complaining about not enough black players,…”
Will you be so kind and bring me the post where I complain about not enough black players in the squad, dear sir?
3 Jun 2012, 12:30 pm
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-722: brokeback are next on the hit list – it is true
3 Jun 2012, 12:32 pm
@RL(RL)-731: who the hell is brokeback?
3 Jun 2012, 12:35 pm
This is how I see the run-on team for next Satuday taking shape:
15 Kirchner
14 JPP
13 JDV – captain
12 Frans Steyn
11 Habana
10 Morne Steyn
9 Hougie
8 Britney
7 Alberts
6 Daniel
5 Kruger
4 Etzebeth
3 Beast
2 Bissie
1 Jannie duP
3 Jun 2012, 12:37 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-715:
Its over for the Sharks buddy.
3 Jun 2012, 12:37 pm
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-729:
Dude Im tired of this manufactured encrypted reasoning used when selecting “some players”. Lambie and co are selected young and are called special players etc And others of a darker hue must be “developed”
Kolisi is special period.Not because hes black-he is a special breed of player not over-awed by occassion,hit way above anyone physically in tackle-drives players back at tackle point,takes ball up and is as belligerent as they come.All at 20 yrs old.
He is just a rare breed like the Big Joe’s,Skinstad’s etc who were seen as supreme talents at young age.Kolisi isnt the same time of player as they were but not a less special at the ROLE he performs.And hes only going to get better
F*ck the develop-muntu notion.F*ck all of that nonsense
3 Jun 2012, 12:39 pm
@STBUR(STBUR)-703: Talking **** !!!, the fact that you don’t know that Siya Kolisi didn’t play against Sharks last week says it all, Englebrecht left WP/Stormers because JDJ and Aplon were/are better than him, now after being a peripherial player at the Bulls behind Sadie, Ndungane, Basson and Kichner, he walks into the bok team.
HM is phucked up!!!
3 Jun 2012, 12:40 pm
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-732:
13 Bullies
11 Sharks
2 Lions
2 Cheetah
1 Ulster
3 Brokebacks
Get it?
3 Jun 2012, 12:40 pm
@nama1(nama1)-184: @sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-131:
You do realise that you want Stormers players in ahead of the selected ones? :lol
How do I explain to my All Black supporting friends the ommission of players like Kolisi, Aplon and de Jongh?
Do you still wonder why so many Coloureds in the Cape and elsewhere still support the All Blacks?
3 Jun 2012, 12:41 pm
@RL(RL)-731:
You wish.
That was you performance of the year. Won’t be replicated.
3 Jun 2012, 12:41 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-735: look sometine coaches just don’t rate players. Meyer only has eyes for Coetzee and he may see Kolisi as a poor mans Coetzee.
Get it? Get over it.
3 Jun 2012, 12:42 pm
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-734:
Lions didn’t just beat the Guppies.
They kicked the **** out of them.
3 Jun 2012, 12:44 pm
Coloureds in the Cape wont be only ones supporting All Blacks after this week and throughout Heyneke Meyer’s tenure.
These are not the Boks that represent my nation which I love dear that is South Africa.
This are the Pretoria-rised Blue Boks.Heyneke Meyer’s mutated experiment.They represent him and his vision.
Not my South Africa.
3 Jun 2012, 12:44 pm
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-719:
Kirchner has also been solid under the high ball and he is bigger. Basson is also a dangerous attacking runner, Aplon is probably better, but Basson is MUCH better for the kick and chase. Look, there is definitely an argument for Aplon but it is very marginal as he would primarily be a wing. Is Kirchner really going to play ahead of Lambie at 15? Probably not. With Hougaard, JP, Habana and Engelbrecht you have enough wings. 3/4 of them cover centre and FB. Since Lambie is at FB with Kirchner and not wanting the small Aplon there where would you play him? JP and Habana start at wings with Hougaard covering. He is superfluous especially in light of our expected game plan.
Like I said, Kolisi is a bit of surprise exclusion. But Coetzee ahead of him is marginal. Much of a muchness. Not nearly the train smash people are making it out to be. The problem with the most of the complaints are that people are asking why Spies is in ahead of Kolisi?!! They don’t even play the same position.
My point about the Stormers players is that the ones people are complaining about (i.e. the backline players); 1 is Aplon and is a marginal difference and I think he takes away from our flexibility. Who is really going to complain with Lambie starting ahead of Pietersen at FB? What other position does Pietersen play? None really and he is not that much better than Kirchner under the high ball. The odds of him scoring a runaway try from the back is 1/100. I’d rather have bulk for now given the expected game plan.
Juan de Jongh I think is just plain over rated. A good player but not he has been hyped up beyond belief. He is not a shoe in for the Bok team. He is good enough but he doesn’t blow his way in like Steyn does. Also, really marginal to say he should be in ahead of Olivier. Very, very marginal.
Overall, and out of necessity, our game plan will be conservative. Big defenders like Kirchner and Oliver make sense in that regard.
Obviously there are a few picks here that could be switched with someone but none of them are worth all the frothing and raving that is going on here. Mountain out of a mole hill.
3 Jun 2012, 12:46 pm
@RL(RL)-740:
Fair enough.Its his Bok team
He just wont have my support.Not the Pretoria Blou Boks
3 Jun 2012, 12:46 pm
Shocking, I just can’t understand what is going on in his head..
We need an international coach or Mallet – they will make picks on performance and talent. He was crying about senior players not available then he leaves out Brussow.
Think we are expecting to much from this team and SA – I really think Eng are playing well and lancaster is no fool – He can read HM like a book – I hope HM see’s something we are all missing , please dear God let that be true… I agree with K Daniels selection as he has been playing well but would start him at 8, and let Spies sit on the side line and pose…
HM your first start and decision and you have proved all of the people correct in your one way thinking – BULLLLLLLs – and let’s be honest Bulls got beaten today by a B Team Stormers side.. as The bulls are one directional – Get that Blerrrrrie ball, past it to the girl with muscles and moer… that way of play is over…
I am worried about the Tests
3 Jun 2012, 12:46 pm
@RL(RL)-740:
Most Tackles Made
1. Marcell Coetzee (Sharks) 194
2. David Pocock (Force) 186
3. Heinrich Brussow (Cheetahs) 178
3. Matt Todd (Crusaders) 178
5. Philip van der Walt (Cheetahs) 162
6. Liam Gill (Reds) 160
7. Michael Hooper (Brumbies) 158
8. Siyamthanda Kolisi (Stormers) 155
can we not conclude the Coetzee vs Kolisi argument?
3 Jun 2012, 12:48 pm
Dean Greyling unlucky as well – would have being good impact off the bench.
3 Jun 2012, 12:48 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-725: Agree 100 %.
3 Jun 2012, 12:51 pm
it’s an injustice that kolisi was not picked.Heyneke Meyer probably does not see him fitting into his prayer meetings.Well prayer meetings did not help the Bulls at Loftus against a great defensive effort from Stormers in which Kolisi walked away with Man of the match.This may be very damaging to his career as he will go back to the bench when Schalk returns after the break.Justice will be if Kolisi gets called up because of injury to a loosie much the way in which Morne Steyn became bok flyhalf.
3 Jun 2012, 12:52 pm
Most Runs
1. Nasi Manu (Highlanders) 164
2. Nathan Sharpe (Force) 139
3. Hosea Gear (Highlanders) 130
4. Adam Thomson (Highlanders) 128
5. Adriaan Strauss (Cheetahs) 124
6. Marcell Coetzee (Sharks) 123
Kolisi doesnt feature in the top 20 despite starting all games.
3 Jun 2012, 12:52 pm
A very strange Bok squad to say the least. I can only think that HM wants to start with a group of players he knows, and then build from there, or else he will have a very short stay as Bok coach. Having watched Potgieter play for the Kings and then the Bulls all he brings is his physicality. He uses arms in the tackle less often than Butch James, and as soon as he is confronted by a more physical player he is worthless. I can not understand what he is doing in that squad. JDV has been great on defence this year, but he and Wynand are cut from the same one-dimensional cloth when it comes to going forward. All I can say is good luck HM, I think you are going to need it over the next few weeks with your choices.
3 Jun 2012, 12:53 pm
@roobarb2(roobarb2)-738:
Oh I see.
That’s what you take from that.
Hahaha
So in your opinion, the players selected ahead of the three players I mentioned, deserve to be there ahead of them.
JJ Engelbrecht ahead of Aplon
WO ahead of de Jongh
Kanko ahead of Kolisi
How do I explain to my All Black supporting friends why these three white players were selected ahead of those three players of colour?
Unfortunately I have to mention colour because that is what it will come down to when the conversation comes up.
Help me out here.
3 Jun 2012, 12:54 pm
@roobarb2(roobarb2)-746: Coetzee is explosive – he hits way harder that Kolis ever will and he has the pace an openside flanks needs – Kolisi plays in slow motion in a team that only defends..
Those stats will shut the Kolis lovers up real quick – Coetzee is in the same league as Hooper, Pockock, Todd and Gill.
3 Jun 2012, 12:55 pm
but hey. lets not let the facts get in the way of a good argument.
3 Jun 2012, 12:55 pm
@XhosaKid(XhosaKid)-736:
I didn’t say that he played. I said he was overshadowed. Coetzee had an awesome game against the Stormers. The fact that Kolisi was not there, whether injury or not, didn’t help his cause.
I say again; Kolisi/Coetzee is marginal. Both are good. It is not a train smash and will not be the difference between winning or losing against the Poms.
Engelbrecht is not playing behind Kirchner/Basson/Ndungane. He was playing behind Sadie who he leapfrogged and rightly so. He has made a much more significant impact since getting game time at the Bulls than JdJ has been making at the Stormers. In fact JdJ is rather toothless of late. JdJ has no fixed claim on a Bok jersey.
3 Jun 2012, 12:56 pm
@roobarb2(roobarb2)-746:
So why isnt Phillip vd Walt in squad ahead of Potgieter or Spies or Kankowski?
Secondly Siya less missed tackles than Coetzee
Its not a Siya vs Coetzee argument,its a why is Siya not in SQUAD at all
Dont try polarise opinions and make comparison that arent entirely accurate. Its disingenuous.
3 Jun 2012, 13:00 pm
2143554″>roobarb2(roobarb2)-750:
I did not know that. Goes to show there is a good reason why Coetzee is ahead of Kolisi and all this frothing and raving is rather embarrassing.
3 Jun 2012, 13:00 pm
Where is:
Pierre Spies
Jacques Potgieter
Ryan Kankowski
Keegan Daniel
Willem Alberts
In all those stats provided?
Last year Deon Steggman was one ahead in almost every statistica; category:Tackles,carries etc Yet was he the best and most efficient loosie in SA? Not a f*ck
Self serving HORSeSH8T
3 Jun 2012, 13:01 pm
@nama1(nama1)-752: i think you should stop trying to convert people to support a team because you think they should support them.
its a game ffs not a war.
a lot of people started supporting the all blacks a long time ago, because of political reasons, but that support gets deep-rooted over time, and that type of loyalty doesnt just go away.
and it certainly wont go away just because a coach merely picks a few black players over a few white players. and if it did then one has to measure carefully how valuable that support is in the first place.
its a free country. they can support who they want. making all south africans support the boks sounds a bit like fascism to me.
dont you think?
3 Jun 2012, 13:02 pm
@STBUR(STBUR)-755: Talking bsh1t again, you didn’t even know that Siya wasn’t playing lat week, how the hell to you expect anyone to take what you say serious. You nothing about the game, you just another white ignorant guy who thinks his skin colour allows him to be an “kenner” about rugby.
Engelbrecht is a wing not an outside centre, he was behind Aplon, Habana,Shadow and Pietersen at the Stormers, let alone outside centre, there is no justification for Engelbrecht at all
3 Jun 2012, 13:02 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-756:
Who would you drop for Kolisi? Daniel? Better be prepared for some Shark-rage.
You guys are carrying on like he will never play for the Boks. Calm down. Everyone is excited about the young man’s future.
3 Jun 2012, 13:03 pm
@STBUR(STBUR)-757: Fcuken idiot where are the other guys picked ahead of Kolisi in those stats
3 Jun 2012, 13:05 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-756: Potgieter is not test quality and by extention neither is Kolisi – Coetzee is like a young Schalk – a pitbull on steroids!
Fact is Coetzee is our Hooper. Sam Cane is the Hooper for the All Blacks. Kolisi does not fight with these guys. Meyer just does not rate him. Stop bringing in other players into the ring. Your Kolisi does nor fight with these guys.
3 Jun 2012, 13:05 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-758: so how do we measure performance then if not by stats?
can we say the Stormers are top of the log at the moment, but they have been playing boring horrible rugby, so lets kick them down a few spot and promote Bulls as they have been scoring more tries?
i mean why keep record of things like points anyway, lets just let teams play for 80 minutes and then decide who we think deserved it more and let them win?
do you get that you are on a slippery slope there?
3 Jun 2012, 13:06 pm
@RL(RL)-737: ja great roll over another top sa team – to what end for gods sake why the feck didnt the Lions get it together on their tour of the real Brokeback country??? Dis wat ek f&/%$/& vra. Whats wrong with them? FFS.
3 Jun 2012, 13:06 pm
My two points and its been awhile since i have been here.
Keo you have truly and royally f…ed up, you arrogance was always going to be your undoing go and get help before its too late.
HM well al we can say when the boks lose and they will he will be the man in the hot seat and if he doesnt make huge changes to the poolaka squad he has chosen and we are thumped in the Tri Nations and by England he wont be the coach by the end of year tour. One has to feel sorry for Rassie as his tenure withe boks will also end with Meyer.
I mean really meisiekind, Kanko, Engelbrecht… WTF, was he doing lines with KEO when he chose this team.
3 Jun 2012, 13:07 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-756: he is 20 years old. he IS in the squad and will be played, i will put massive money on him playing on the eoyt.
currently coetzee edges him for the next three games, end of.
3 Jun 2012, 13:08 pm
@roobarb2(roobarb2)-746: Dude the only thing that proves is that Sharks had to defend more cos they had less possesion – the same stat can be interepreted in mutliple ways. I ahve not seen Kolisi slipping off tackles – grow a pair man. Stats are not the be all and end all of why a player gets chosen. Where are the missed tackle stats?
3 Jun 2012, 13:09 pm
@XhosaKid(XhosaKid)-760:
JJ Engelbrecht – 1.9m and 95kg’s
de Jongh – 1.77m and 86kg’s
3 Jun 2012, 13:09 pm
@roobarb2(roobarb2)-750: He´s a forward not a backline player sure Brussouw enver had great run stats either.
3 Jun 2012, 13:11 pm
And suddenly Coetzee vs Kolisi becomes a race issue… You stupid dumbfcks…
3 Jun 2012, 13:11 pm
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-765: it’s a competition man – we do not give out easy point to undeserving team. That would be cheating and we are no cheaters. Stormers will be rolled over.
3 Jun 2012, 13:12 pm
Oh well,it seems these selections playing right into Stormer’s hands,I expect a well refreshed Stormers team after the break with most of their big guns back to power their way to a home semi.As for the Bulls/Boks I can’t say I have that much faith in them beating a fired up pommie team at home.
3 Jun 2012, 13:12 pm
@XhosaKid(XhosaKid)-760:
Ah I see. You want a black guy to play ahead of a white guy. The non-white racist is the most amusing thing on the internet. Carry on then little friend. Since I can’t convince you Coetzee is black that particular topic is moot I guess.
Pietersen is a FB so what is your point? Given the expected game plan Engelbrecht is not such a bad choice over Aplon.
Not to mention that this topic is moot as Engelbrecht/Aplon won’t even play. The wings will be Habana, JP, Mvovo with Hougaard covering if needed. All them are more powerful and heavier than Aplon. Aplon is somewhat better on attack but not enough to make up for Habana, JPs and Mvovo’s physical superiority.
Which comes back to my original point that all this frothing is for nothing. The selection “problems” people raise are marginal at best or completely irrelevant t as the players in question probably won’t be in the match 22.
3 Jun 2012, 13:12 pm
Tacitus must be in love with HM after this team selection
3 Jun 2012, 13:13 pm
@cane(cane)-741:
You are correct, Sharks won’t win it this year good side but not championship material. Only 3 teams can/will win it Chiefs, Stormers or Crusaders.
3 Jun 2012, 13:13 pm
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-770: most SA players in the top 20 are also forwards. of which Coetzee is 2nd.
3 Jun 2012, 13:13 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-771: mshini actually thinks that Kolisi is better than Coetzee – crazy stuff going on here.
Stats don’t lie – Coetzee will kill Kolisi in a sprint any day of the week.
3 Jun 2012, 13:14 pm
@roobarb2(roobarb2)-764:
Agh please man,now you making hyperbolic statements in relation to stats and scoreboard to skew perception.Disingenuous to say the least.Slippery slope indeed.
Stats are contextual. Play on the field has to be analysed also in accordance to effectiveness.Ex you can make plenty of tackle but if your gain line efficiency is **** what the use of you making a million tackles because your not effective at stopping momentum.Or one attends a lot of attrictional phases like rucks but how many turnovers do they achieve and how effective is one at providing clean ball.
Come now,put your big boy pants on and talk some beneficial stuff adding to debate.
3 Jun 2012, 13:15 pm
@RL(RL)-769:
Most Missed Tackles
1. Nick Phipps (Rebels) 36
2. Beauden Barrett (Hurricanes) 33
3. Charl Mcleod (Sharks) 29
3. Josh Strauss (Lions) 29
5. Brett Sheehan (Force) 28
5. Peter Grant (Stormers) 28
5. Rob Horne (Waratahs) 28
8. Franco van der Merwe (Lions) 27
8. Francois Hougaard (Bulls) 27
8. Willem Alberts (Sharks) 27
8. Willie Le Roux (Cheetahs) 27
12. Andrew Ellis (Crusaders) 25
12. Elton Jantjies (Lions) 25
12. Philip van der Walt (Cheetahs) 25
15. Conrad Smith (Hurricanes) 24
15. Faifili Levave (Hurricanes) 24
15. JP Pietersen (Sharks) 24
15. Keegan Daniel (Sharks) 24
15. Nick Cummins (Force) 24
15. Robert Ebersohn (Cheetahs)
3 Jun 2012, 13:16 pm
My 2 cents on the Kolisi discussion …
- Potgieter is still injured? Kanko is just coming back from injury. Kolisi is healthy, match fit and in good form
- Kolisi needs development? He is the same age as Coetzee and Etzebeth, so why does he need development and they not?
Kolisi imho provides a great physical dimension and has an incredible work rate. He is one if the best forwards in SA at the moment. He should be on the bench at least to come on as a sub to replace Alberts
3 Jun 2012, 13:16 pm
My 2 cents on the Kolisi discussion …
- Potgieter is still injured? Kanko is just coming back from injury. Kolisi is healthy, match fit and in good form
- Kolisi needs development? He is the same age as Coetzee and Etzebeth, so why does he need development and they not?
Kolisi imho provides a great physical dimension and has an incredible work rate. He is one if the best forwards in SA at the moment. He should be on the bench at least to come on as a sub to replace Alberts
3 Jun 2012, 13:17 pm
Its not a racial issue regarding Kolisi and Coetzee-them as players.
The racial notion comes when f*ckers on here play that card that “Kolisi is 20 yrs old and needs to be developed etc” but the same doesnt apply to players of same age in Eben and Coetzee who are seen as born ready Boks.
Thats the issue here.
3 Jun 2012, 13:17 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-771:
It is just this rather rude fellow, XhosaKid, that is anti-white players. It is the only reason why he can be so upset about a marginal decision like Kolisi/Coetzee, both of whom are deserving to play for the Boks.
3 Jun 2012, 13:19 pm
If Brussow isn’t picked for the rugby championship that will be a fatal mistake, he’s class and steals ball from every side he plays against included the Ab’s where he goes very well, HM needs his head read.
3 Jun 2012, 13:21 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-779:
so are you saying that marcel coetzee has been less effective than siya kolisi in the context of the tournament so far?
and how are you saying that?
and are you saying that Kolisi has not been recognised at all?
for the record, he would have been in my squad too, ahead of Kankowski, whom i dont rate at all. But in the one-on-ones that HM had he said afterwards that Kanko impressed him, and that he would fit in with the gameplan he wants to play, so i wasnt surprised.
dissapointed maybe but not hysterical.
at least this twenty year old bolter will get exposure to the squad, and i’m sure he will feature come eoyt. he reminds me of Tim Dlulane, a guy that HM developed and who would have been a Bok had it not been for his neck injury.
3 Jun 2012, 13:22 pm
This team was selected on racial bias. Meyer will destroy what Peter de Villiers has build.
3 Jun 2012, 13:22 pm
Sunday laugh:
I am a father. So, sometimes i need to do stuff that fathers do. In the
old days, it was marbles and tolle and ketties. Things have changed.
So, two weeks ago, the f%*#cking bright sparks over the road here,
whispered the words “GOLD REEF CITY” into my laaitie’s ears, and what
can you do? You go to GRC.
Ok, so i checked the website… nananana, looks like piss, hier en daar
n ride or two, and i wanted to go down the mine. So ek trek my plakkies
aan, kam my hare, and off we go.
We got there early. Ek kap manhaftig twee worsbroodjies weg, en n
halfliter melk, and followed my son to the first ride… called Runaway
Train.
We get on, and i thought these things were for kids and stuff, and off
it went. I did not like it. It was going sideways and ****, and i was
queasy when i got off.
What bothered me though was the sound coming from behind me somewhere.
Dit klink soos n ****** boeing wat land. And then i saw it. Big
signwriting… ANAFOKKENCONDA.
I had to keep face, i wear the pants in this family. Ek maak my arms
bak, en ek loop fier en regop teen die dekplank op. Ek gaan die donner
ry, what can go wrong?
There was a queue and the f%*#ck up with that is, you can see what the
thing does to people.
When it came in the second time, and a young student dude, met spiere
waar ek voue het, got out, and kots oor die reling, toe weet ek, my kak
is uitgeknip vir my.
Then it was our turn. Jono chickened out, BUT my wife was checking me
out. This is where you have to be nonchalant, and manly. I kept my chin
up, en my hol toegeknyp.
You get into this thing, and you hang. The safety bar didn’t want to go
over my hoenderborsie, so i pulled a Ville Valo, and made myself thin,
and hooked a clip too close…. i think.
KLANG KLANG KLANG KLANG…. en kom ons fok nie rond nie…. skielik is
ek so bang dat ek n bliksemse nieraanval kry….. dan draai die etterse
ding en dan……P0$S HY NA BENEDE…. MET DIE
SPOED VAN DIE HEILIGE ****** WIT ELAND.
I **** you not, forget any car, bike, plane or whatever the f%*#ck you
measure your manliness by…. it accelerated like nothing i have ever
felt. But if this wasn’t enough, gaan donner die ding onderstebo met
jou. I feel the worsrolletjie. No wait, i feel the texture of the
worsrolletjie, every f%*#cking fibre of the worsrolletjie.
Kerels, we came out that first loop met die spoed van ****** wit lig. I
wanted it to stop. I havent prayed in 22 years….i did then. We
levelled out,and then it hit the second loop. Shorter radius than the
first. Ons fok daardeur,en ek verloor my plakkie. Onderstebo, and then
around 2 flat corners wa ek 10 jaar ouer word, and
then…. the f%*#cking thing corkscrewed. Klits daai ****** broodjie en
die melk laat dit lyk soos daai kak wat jy oor bobotie gooi, and
another, en fok dit, toe skree ek soos n Namibiese vlakte vlermuis wat
se sonar gekak het.
And into the station at 200kmh, and just for sh!ts and giggles, they
stop it in 10m flat.
I just sat there. Stunned,and my wife is oooh and aaaahing, en
lets-go-againing….sy moet haar jags hou.
3 Jun 2012, 13:22 pm
SA rugby will be much better once race is no longer an issue…
Both jdj and aplon are small so is kolisi at his own admission after the bulls yesterday. Pls go compare them against their AB counterparts. Look at Habana, you dont want to get tackled by him…the guy is big, or jj….he is as big as spies…once he gets through the bulls gym he will be the SA center of choice. Siya is the size of a scrumhalf….
So before you start talking about race get the facts straight…
3 Jun 2012, 13:22 pm
Kokehane thread?
3 Jun 2012, 13:23 pm
Heyneke you doos. This is a joke and I have never been more disappointed with a bok selection. Brussow, Aplon, de Jongh, especially will hurt them. Ja, so Olivier is going to tackle Tuilagi – piss off man. Kolisi overtook Wynand yestrday; every game Olivier gets overtaken by an opposition forward.. There are 2nd choice BULLS players in the squad.
3 Jun 2012, 13:23 pm
@roobarb2(roobarb2)-786:
Tim Dlulale was a really talented player but Siya Kolisi is ten times the player especially looking that Siya is only 20
I watched Dlulane from his days at the Pumas with Gerhard Vosloo,to his days at Bulls till untimely retirement.
He never dominated attriction points much like a 20 yr old Kolisi has at Superrugby level in debut season this yr.In fact overall many havent neither.
3 Jun 2012, 13:24 pm
@roobarb2(roobarb2)-759:
So 100% of a country’s population supporting a national sports team in now akin to facism???
Mein got!!!
Inn any case, I take your point.
3 Jun 2012, 13:24 pm
I’m confused by the comments praising JJ … As far as I can see he is struggling to hold down a position in the Bulls squad. How many tries has he scored or created? How many tackles has missed and how many defenders beaten?
He might have potential, but that is not translating into form yet
The only reason he could be selected is for his coverage of centre and wing, but then I’ve not seen him do anything special in either those positons to justify that case
3 Jun 2012, 13:29 pm
@roobarb2(roobarb2)-786: Kanko is in the team a direct swap for Spies, should he get injured. Kanko like Spies is a tall no.8 who is solid as a lineout option at the tail.
Kolisi is also originally a no. 8 and is playing out of position – but somehow people here think he is the business ahead of better players. Kolisi is too short to be condidered a linoeout option. Fact!
What will Mshini and others say when the likes of Vermeulen, Burger and Koter return and relegate their hero to the Vodacomcup team? Will he still be seen as an automatic Bok ahead of Coetzee who will play nearly all matches for his franchise next year.
3 Jun 2012, 13:29 pm
@ossewa(ossewa)-789:
Now you talking absolute hogwash
Juan De Jongh weighs over 85kgs(likes of Adam Ashley Cooper,James O’Connor,Tamati Ellison etc fall into same weight category-all excellent players where weight never used as excuse),and has explosive power in tackle and contact. Has one of the higher efficiency rates in tackle.
Tamati Ellison is around 87-90 kgs and Robbie Freuan is around 110 kgs..Who is the better player?
Kurtley Beale is a special player,a few kilos over 80 kgs and one of the world best 15′s. Likes of Cam Sherperd,Luke morahan are 100kg plus but Oz would never select them ahead of Beale.Aplon is same type of player as Beale.
Stop talking horsesh*t
3 Jun 2012, 13:30 pm
wow these are interesting picks to say the least
i hope hm isn’t double guessing himself here
he should stick to his head and heart and make the choices he alwaysknew he would.
dont be swayed by the niose
3 Jun 2012, 13:32 pm
@STBUR(STBUR)-743: mate I was comparing Kolisis inclusion with Potgieter who is coming back from a serious knee injury – not the same thing.
Secondly the best Super team in the comp is only represented by 3 players – the bulk of their best players left out for some second rate Bulls players – not exactly a mountain out of a molehill scenario there are 10 major problems with this selection. It s OTT – a few marginals here and there fine but this is a bit of a joke.
3 Jun 2012, 13:33 pm
Kurtly Beale is the best player in Oz….but he is a Flyhalf…does tamati ellison start regularly????
3 Jun 2012, 13:35 pm
@nama1(nama1)-793: nope, not at all what i said. expecting a person to support a team just because its the “national team” is.
i dont much care for the cape town crusader and all black fans, but will staunchly defend their right to support whoever the hell they like.
3 Jun 2012, 13:36 pm
@ossewa(ossewa)-799:
Now u talking kak,Beale is a 15.he was filling in at 10 for Rebels
Ellsion starts every game for Highlanders.Prob best 13 in Superrugby.Has been selected ahead of Freuan in AB team
3 Jun 2012, 13:37 pm
@RL(RL)-795: where do you think Daniel will feature in the bok team, if at all?
3 Jun 2012, 13:37 pm
Gees I would not have picked this squad, Mine would have looked more like this…
1 – Beast, Coenie
2 – Bismarc, Strauss, Burden
3 – Jannie, W Kruger
4 – Flip, Etzebeth
5 – Juandre, Muller
6 – Brussow, Coetzee
7 – Alberts, Elstadt
8 – Spies, Kankowski
9 – Hougaard, Pienaar, Mcleod
10 – Lambie, Steyn, Jantjies
11 – Habana, Mvovo
12 – Frans, JDV
13 – JPP, Ebersohn
14 – Aplon
15 – Kirchner, Daniller
3 Jun 2012, 13:38 pm
Its a laager team.
Oh, and don’t do drugs – it stunts your growth
3 Jun 2012, 13:38 pm
@roobarb2(roobarb2)-802: Supersub – 8th man or open side flank.
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-801: was a ten all his life before he was moved to 15, whick only happened a few seasons back.
3 Jun 2012, 13:39 pm
@ossewa(ossewa)-789:
Do the All Black players get bigger when they pull on their black jersey?
The reason I ask is because these “small” players you mentioned play against players from NZ regularly in the Super rugby competition without any problem.
Why does their size only become a problem when it comes to Bok selection?
Honest question.
3 Jun 2012, 13:41 pm
D@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-801:
Beale is a 10….go watch the clips on youtube when he was still in high school….
He was going to be selected at 10 for oz till he got injured….
3 Jun 2012, 13:42 pm
Meyer has very little to work off of considering the slim pickings offered by the disaster of a former Bok coach. Like Jake White, Meyer has to work from scratch and basically improvise and experiment with combinations. I admire the dude for his courage.
What must be confusing Meyer is that with the Stormers players their basic strength has been in defence. He’s more than likely trying to find some middle ground in his selections.
We should wait and see what happens with the first test before trying to crucify the poor oke.
3 Jun 2012, 13:44 pm
@nama1(nama1)-806: yes they do Sonny Bill, Tamati, Smith and Kahui are all monsters that tip the scales between the 95kg and 107kg mark.
de Jongh is a flyweight at 86kg’s
3 Jun 2012, 13:44 pm
@RL(RL)-805: @ossewa(ossewa)-807:
Agh Please Beale is primarily a 15 NOW.Has played 90% of his rugby there.Has become a world class player there and Oz international only as a 15
Thats like sayin F Steyn is a 10 coz he played there for grey bloem blah blah blah
3 Jun 2012, 13:45 pm
@nama1(nama1)-806:
Isreal Dagg, James OConnor……………………………………….too small, I think not.
You make a good point.
3 Jun 2012, 13:45 pm
Daniels will fit in nicely with the tests against the Poms. The emphasis will surely be on speed and the Poms have a lot of very quick players. The Bok forwards will need to be mobile and the midfield even quicker.
3 Jun 2012, 13:46 pm
@nama1(nama1)-806: Savea is way bigger than Kolisi and he is not even a forward.
3 Jun 2012, 13:46 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-792: hey, i like the kid, and was really surprised that he didnt make the squad, but certainly not at the expense of coetzee.
kanko, maybe.
3 Jun 2012, 13:47 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-810: played 90% of his rugby at 10 for the Warratahs. Fact man.
3 Jun 2012, 13:48 pm
@nama1(nama1)-806: hangover from the white years, when he picked body-types instead of players?
3 Jun 2012, 13:48 pm
didn’t even mention that monster Nonu who is about 110kg’s – and people want the flyweight Aplnon to stop him.
3 Jun 2012, 13:48 pm
Such a poor squad. Only folks who are happy are your Bulls, Sharks and people with an aversion towards darker skinned players.
Read some comments on Kolisi not being in the same league as Coetzee based solely on stats.
But then stats are ignored when comparing him to the other 7/8 loose forwards in the squad.
You idiots.
Kolisi hammers players back in the tackle with such contemptuous ease I find it hilarious and wonderful to watch.
On attack, the number of players he has just bumped off or else swatted away is also pretty damn awesome for us Stormers supporters.
Hahaha and you Loftus Bulls… What do you think of Kolisi? He was the difference between the sides. I think Juandre Kruger ate grass about 5 times because of Kolisi.
Stormers have won 12 out of 13 games with him on the field. The only game they lost was against the Crusaders, and when Kolisi left the field the score was 22-21.
It shouldn’t be a debate. But I know there is one thing standing in his way. Yeah… deep down you know it too.
As for Heinrich Brussouw? Are you kidding me? He is the best openside flanker in the world when fit. Not just fetching and tackling. He runs well with ball in hand, offloads, has a high work rate.
But Jacque Poetgieter, a brute with no skill, Marcell Coetzee, a hyped-up youngster from an average side, and Ryan Kankowski, a Vodacom Cup player, make it ahead of these guys.
Oh. What about Aplon and Juan de Jongh? Too coloured I guess. JJ Engelbrecht, Wynand Olivier?
An absolute joke of a squad, riddled with bias and an eff-you-I’m-in-charge attitude by Heyneke Meyer.
Whatever. Go England.
3 Jun 2012, 13:49 pm
oh and by white years i mean jake white
just to clarify
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3 Jun 2012, 13:51 pm
@RL(RL)-817:
No nation on this planet can compete with the Islanders when it comes to size and speed. South Africans come the closest but our guys usually have to sacrifice speed for size. It’s a genetic thing.
3 Jun 2012, 13:54 pm
lets look at the stormers injury list: Schalk Burger, Andries Bekker, Koster, Etsebeth, those players alone would have changed the composition of this team dramatically, as it would have upped the stormers content and quite possibly have dropped the Bulls/Sharks content.
also consider Goosen and Smith.
i’m not exstatic with the team, but lets face it, HM had to play a pretty tough hand he was dealt.
3 Jun 2012, 13:55 pm
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-820: maybe biltong hampers speed?
3 Jun 2012, 13:55 pm
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-820: Yet they’re nowhere near the top tier of test rugby — even though they’re great at sevens.
3 Jun 2012, 13:56 pm
@roobarb2(roobarb2)-821:
The last paragraph of your post is the only part that deserves mention.
3 Jun 2012, 13:57 pm
Kolisi reminds me of a young Jerry Collins. Always seems to knock people backwards and stop the momentum of the opposition. Too small? The guy is more physical in defence than any other S.A back row, I don’t mind if he has a bit of rest for these tests but he has been outstanding.
3 Jun 2012, 13:58 pm
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-824: well thanks for that acknowledgement.
3 Jun 2012, 13:59 pm
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-823:
The All Blacks consist of Islanders, not just Fiji, Samoa and Tonga. Look at the All Black midfield over the years. Huge fast Islanders that can sidestep and run through the opposition with frightening ease.
3 Jun 2012, 13:59 pm
As a bulls fan i am pleased that the bulls have a good nimber of players in the bok squad but even i am shall i say surprised at some of his selections,kirschener for me is not up to test standard WO JDV good super rugby players but test standard no,I also think KD,Franco vdmerwe Kanko and RP are not up to test standard,as for the nine uncapped players only time will tell if they are good enough.I gave Snor the benefit of the doubt at first but he proved to be rugby clown,and so i will give HM the benefit ot the doubt until he proves that he is a goodor bad bok coach.The one selection i did expect was greyling but he was not selected,as i thought he was up to test standard,and that is my opinion.
3 Jun 2012, 13:59 pm
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-823: for the same reason the Free State has never been a top team, nett outflow of great players to richer countries.
3 Jun 2012, 13:59 pm
@nama1(nama1)-806:
It think you can afford to have on or two small players in th backline, but imagine a backline with aplon jdj, morne steyn….invitation to get smashed…grant is a big 10 so you can afford a smaller center in province…
3 Jun 2012, 14:02 pm
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-823:
Population of Samoa…………………………….I don’t know 200,000 Max.
IRB Ranking………………………………..somewhere in the top 12.
Man for man, kg for kg, top of the pile I would suggest.
3 Jun 2012, 14:02 pm
Firstly, congrats to the Lions and Stormers. Well deserved wins.
The Bok side? Well, mixed feelings. Time will tell.
Lastly, what happened with Keo? Saw in Rapport. Is it open for discussion here?
3 Jun 2012, 14:02 pm
@RL(RL)-772: Oh its a competition is it – so how come you aholes cant roll over Australian or Nz teams is my question? Youre ignoring all points ive been making.
3 Jun 2012, 14:03 pm
@RL(RL)-778: again he should be replacing Potgieter not Coetzee. Do you guys understand english?
3 Jun 2012, 14:04 pm
@ziyaad(ziyaad)-818: deep down you also know the reason you call coetzee a ” a hyped-up youngster from an average side,” dont you?
deep down you know it.
3 Jun 2012, 14:05 pm
Keohane cocaine,prostitudes and sexual harassment?? Whats up with that?
3 Jun 2012, 14:06 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-783: ja Mshini youre speaking to a wall – these guys only hear and see what they want to – its all kolisi Coetzee – been saying he should have been in in place of Potgieter coming back from an injury with no games under the belt for the last month or two but does anyone pay attention to that? No. Pfff
3 Jun 2012, 14:06 pm
@Big Jack(Big Jack)-832:
Please expand Jacky?
3 Jun 2012, 14:06 pm
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-833:
The Stormers won’t be dumb like The Sharks and play to the Lions game plan of running the ball wide at every opportunity. Play percentages and the Lions will be get impatient and start making mistakes.
3 Jun 2012, 14:07 pm
Being to small dont mean **** when u got a big heart and is tuff as nails, unless were talking breyton paulse. Aplon, jdj and jp is all small but is strong in the tackle and can tackle.
3 Jun 2012, 14:08 pm
Being to small dont mean cr*p when u got a big heart and is tuff as nails, unless were talking breyton paulse. Aplon, jdj and jp is all small but is strong in the tackle and can tackle.
3 Jun 2012, 14:09 pm
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-833: Mitch’s leeusers were in disarray – too many changes every week and no time to settle on a match 15. When the top players return and there is continuity the Lions will kick asss! Hopefully Stormer boys asss!
3 Jun 2012, 14:09 pm
i’d have aplon in a team anyday, he has never let us down in a bok jesrey, and i rate pietersen too.
3 Jun 2012, 14:10 pm
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-788: hahaha classic man – some great comic relief for a serious Sunday here.
3 Jun 2012, 14:11 pm
Small players with heart: Brussouw, Aplon, Burden, Botes, Daniels, Philip Burger (in the day),de Jongh, Brent Russell…
3 Jun 2012, 14:13 pm
@RL(RL)-842: well actually Mapoe who has been playing all season all of a sardine remembered why he got some fame and scored a brilliant try. I´m not belligerent that the Lions are hitting their straps it just irks me they always do against SA teams. Hopefully you guys roll over a few Oz and Nz teams before the end of the comp and dont just f it up for the teams at the top of the log lol. Well played – glad to see theyre playing well but man… just hope it doesnt derail teams like Sharks, Bulls and Stormers – id rather have 3 sa teams in the top 6 than 1.
3 Jun 2012, 14:13 pm
Im not a HM fan but I think we should give the guy some time.He is obviously very nervous and we all tend to make mistakes when we are stressed.The nerves should settle after the England series.
He also doesnt have the luxury PDivvy had in taking over a well oiled world cup winning side.Its truly a new chapter in sa rugby and he is having to start from scratch.
3 Jun 2012, 14:13 pm
@RL(RL)-842:
The Lions can knock over almost any team…they just need patience and a more conservative game plan.
3 Jun 2012, 14:14 pm
@cane(cane)-838:
Keohane is a gonner! He had his way with Nikita – apprantly he had a white moustache when doing the dirty.
Keohane in cocaine scandal
Cape Town – Local rugby writer Mark Keohane has resigned as spokesperson for South Africa’s Olympic team after allegations of drug abuse and sexual harassment.
According to Rapport, Keohane resigned from his post on Friday, while also stepping down as director of publishing company, Highbury Safika Media (HSM).
Former female employees of Keohane claim he suffers from a “miserable cocaine addiction”, visits prostitutes and also sexually harasses women.
Several employees of Keohane have made similar claims against him over the last two years, which was brought under the attention of the Commission for Conciliation, Mediation and Arbitration (CCMA).
Keohane said he has informed the South African Sports Confederation and Olympic Committee’s (SASCOC) CEO Tubby Reddy of his decision to resign as spokesperson which won’t see him go to London for the Olympic Games in July.
Keohane told Rapport there is an agenda against him and he resigned because he can’t allow “unhappy and vengeful former employees to undermine the credibility of HSM and SASCOC”.
Keohane and HSM signed a contract with SASCOC, believed to be R12m, in 2008. They do all the media liaison work for SASCOC and South Africa’s Olympic team.
Keohane said he has already enlisted legal advice to fight the allegations brought against him.
Reddy said SASCOC’s contract is with HSM and not with Keohane, but added that should the allegations against Keohane be proven true, it would be contrary to the image the sports body aims to portray.
3 Jun 2012, 14:14 pm
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-844:
Funny as heck!
3 Jun 2012, 14:14 pm
You can’t blame the players for being selected. The don’t choose themselves… Having a Blue flavour was obvious, but to the tune of 13 – well that is another story. Obviously he is not too keen on the Stormer players, so good luck to him.
The rest will come in handy. Can I see Spies being Bok captain – oh for sure. Should he be near the Bok team – well that is debateable. Is Kirschner, Olivier, Prop Kruger, Potgieter better than other players who could have been selected – lets just wait and see…
Good luck Boks and the new coach – a good time to repay a few players for loyal service before the big games arrive.
3 Jun 2012, 14:15 pm
@cane(cane)-838:
s.ex, drugs and rock n roll.
and with a little bit of rugby thrown in.
Just another day on keo.
PS read the story on news24.com for more detail.
3 Jun 2012, 14:16 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-851: i think you’ll find once the injury list of the stormers improves, the team will change considerably.
3 Jun 2012, 14:18 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-851:
Never seen so many Stormers supporters at Loftus in my life. For one minute yesterday, I thought I was in the wrong place.
And for Habana to score the winning try, against the Bulls at Loftus.
Well that was priceless.
3 Jun 2012, 14:19 pm
Kolisi will be there. Come EOYT he will be in the squad. Being in the fringe squad is indicative of this. Huge potential in that kid (amongst others). I don’t think he’s come close to his ceiling yet.
Don’t forget this is only his first season of Super Rugby so I support the decision not to blood him for this English series. If he wasn’t injured, I’d take the same approach with Johan Goosen.
Give him (Kolisi) the rest of the Super Rugby tournament and the Currie Cup as a stable platform to work off and watch how special he becomes.
Coetzee played Super Rugby last year, and as for Etsebeth, despite also being something special, our locking cupboard is pretty bare at no 4.
Potgieter is a bit left field, but I think he will be cut from the final 22.
Think Heyneke will go with Daniel at 6, Alberts at 7 and Spies at 8.
3 Jun 2012, 14:20 pm
There was one obvious stat from yesterdays game the bulls really missed victor bakkies guthro fourie dannie in a tight game like this we missed their experience and it really showed yesterday for the first time our new boys still have to grow a bit yet in terms of experience but i am proud of what they have achieved so far and maybe it will all come together next year.
3 Jun 2012, 14:21 pm
@IAAS(I am a stormer)-854:
Yes it was electric mate! I had such a smile on my dial as I walked out of the stadium. I must say most of the Bulls supporters were very gracious in defeat. I thoroughly enjoyed myslef.
That deadly silence when Habs scored was priceless. Kolisi was huge and the defence fantastic. A well deserved break for the boys before the final sprint.
3 Jun 2012, 14:21 pm
@Kietzphat(Kietzphat)-855:
@roobarb2(roobarb2)-853:
The Bok team will change as the season goes on. This not the final team by any means. I expect Kanko to drop off by the end of the three test series.
3 Jun 2012, 14:23 pm
@blueboy(blueboy)-856:
Saying that this young inexperienced Stormer side showed maturity well above their age. To think that they were missing so many players speaks volumes for their grit…
3 Jun 2012, 14:24 pm
Bliksem not even PDV had supporters this upset and Heyneke’s team hasn’t even taken the field yet!
3 Jun 2012, 14:24 pm
#855 Kietzphat i think jacque potgieter has a good chance of starting the game as i believe he has a little bit of the x factor about him he has been dynamic for the bulls in his first season of super rugby abd he may just start,if not then in think he will be on the bench.
3 Jun 2012, 14:25 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-857:
The win and the 3 week break couldn’t have come at a better time. The boys will be super pumped going into the final matches of Super Rugby. And will be pushing for Bok places. The guys selected for the Boks – and I wish them well – are going to have top play out of their skins to keep their places. Competition for places is hotting up.
3 Jun 2012, 14:26 pm
@Kietzphat(Kietzphat)-855: Nah Vermeulen will be in the EOY squad and so too will Burger – Meyer rates these two for some reason. Kolisi will just drop down the list.
3 Jun 2012, 14:26 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-860:
The racists have come out of the woodwork screaming for more black players. Apparently this was all a Bulls conspiracy.
3 Jun 2012, 14:27 pm
who is going to start at 9, hougaard or pienaar?
3 Jun 2012, 14:27 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-860:
Nope. It is just that WP supporters are the most vocal, self righteous moaners in the country, with a sense of entitlement that is matched by no one else.
If you ignore them, then everything is hunky dory.
3 Jun 2012, 14:28 pm
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-858:
Exactly.
While I am a little surprised at some of the selections (as we always are), I think this squad differs dramatically from Heyneke’s preferred squad if all players were injury free.
Everyone have a big glass of calm the f*** down.
3 Jun 2012, 14:29 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-860: the only upset supporters are from Newlands – crying about average players like Aplon, de Jongh, Peterson, Brok the Bok, Kolisi and Duvenage
3 Jun 2012, 14:29 pm
If the Stormers boast the best “defensive record” in in Super 15, it really is a shame that only have 3 players in the Bok squad. The likes of Aplon and Kolisi showed their metal against the Bulls on Saturday -such a great shame they were omitted!!! Aplon is a playmaker with his darting runs and would certainly bring bring an attacking dimesion to the Bok squad. As for Kolisi, yes he is young, but few would argue that he should not have been man of the match – a future Bok for sure.
3 Jun 2012, 14:29 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-860:
Heyneke needs support right now. Not condemnation already. And as you said the first test is still to be played. I couldn’t give a fig how many pinkies are in the team, as long as the Boks are winning. Regularly. And away from home. That’s all I ask.
3 Jun 2012, 14:29 pm
In any case, the Keohane story is surely the biggest one of the weekend.
Just wait till everyone cottons on to it.
3 Jun 2012, 14:29 pm
@IAAS(I am a stormer)-862:
I cannot see him changing the team too much. He is obsessed with size, so the smaller more skilled players will not be selected. He is going to try and bash the opposition and hope for a win. The break has just come at the right time for sure.
3 Jun 2012, 14:29 pm
Thank You RL and IAAS.
And to Keo.
I truely hope you find your way through this mess.
3 Jun 2012, 14:31 pm
“I don’t count which guys are in which teams. I just pick the guys I believe are the best,” Meyer said after the brutal north-south derby in the capital city.
“There are a lot of their great players injured, like Duane Vermeulen, who is a great player, Schalk Burger and Andries Bekker, who is also not around.
“If I pick a team I need to pick the team that I believe is the right one.”
Meyer said the Stormers had a number of talented youngsters coming through the ranks and it was only a matter of time before more players in the side earned their Springbok colours.
He added that the match between the Bulls and the Stormers was a window into the kind of game plan the Springboks would adopt.
“I think it was great spectacle in typical Test match rugby 1/8style 3/8 and that is how I want the Boks to play,” Meyer said.
“Obviously you want to score tries and get the people on their feet, but for me it is all about playing tactically well and playing winning rugby.
“England are a tough team and they’ve been together for quite some time so it’s not going to be easy.
“We need to play a type of rugby typical to South African strengths.”
A direct, physical approach also fitted into the Bok mentor’s fondness for big, strong, athletic players, which did not bode well for the likes of Stormers backline players Gio Aplon and Juan de Jongh, who did not get a call-up, despite their skill and individual attacking brilliance.
Another notable omission was that of scrumhalf Fourie du Preez, who was reported to be the favoured candidate to captain the side.
“I’ve had a few meetings with him and I discussed the situation of him coming back to play,” Meyer said.
“He always believes that the team comes first and when we had a conversation he said he wasn’t 100 percent sure if he could do his best because he hasn’t played for two-and-a-half months.”
Meyer complimented Du Preez for his honesty and opting to step aside to give new blood a chance to take ownership of the number nine jersey.
“I’ve said from the start I want these guys to go in there and know they are 100 percent right and each guy tries to give 100
percent for his country,” he said.
Meyer did not announce the new Springbok skipper, and said he would select his captain in the next few days after discussions with players.
“We are going to have a team meeting on Sunday with the senior players, then I will name the captain for the short term against England,” he said.
“Going forward, after the England series, we’ll relook the situation and choose a captain for the long term.” – Sapa
3 Jun 2012, 14:32 pm
Meyer did Stormers one big favor leaving Kolisi out to push the Stormers through to S15 final
Stormers with and without Kolisi (and Vermeulen obviously) is one entirely different animal of a team
Kolisi takes up the role Burger was supposed to take except he does it 1000 times better with far more devastating effect..
Ever since Burger departed, and Kolisi stepped up into the No.6 jersey shoes (and JdV took over his natural leadership position of captaincy) Stormers have looked like they can do what they failed to do in years gone by.
the difference betwee Stormers in Pretoria and Stormers in Durban was down to one player alone.. Siya Kolisi..
And the messiah Meyer got enough rocks in his head to play Kankowski and Potgieter ahead of him…
Shame poor blou beneekde doos don’t know what a real rugby player from a fake one looks like yet.
3 Jun 2012, 14:33 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-871: the main spin doctor for the WP press machine is out of Meyer’s way.
3 Jun 2012, 14:33 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-860:
Howzit PA not surprised or concerned. Just so proud of the second stringers who bullied the win yesterday. This young side is doing us all proud, except the Bulls and Sharks supporters of course.
3 Jun 2012, 14:33 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-871:
The biggest story of the weekend for me is the Stormers beating the Bulls home and away this year.
And 2 years in a row at Loftus.
3 Jun 2012, 14:34 pm
#859 Bill Reyts Bill I do not care about how other teams players are playing all that matters to me is how the bulls players are performing and it showed yesterday that our new players have a bit to go yet on experience,the one player the bulls really missed was jacque potgeiter that boy is dynamite,that was a great singing by HM.I am sorry if i sound biased but i am just like you stormers fans are biased about your team and i could not give a toss about any other team only my beloved bulls.
3 Jun 2012, 14:34 pm
@RL(RL)-863:
As they should be.
I don’t really feel that Kolisi is competing with either of those two though. Seeing Burger as more a no 7 these days and Vermeulen at 8. They’ll go head to head with guys like Coetzee, Alberts, Spies and Kankowski.
Think Kolisi will look long term at the no 6 jumper, even if he isn’t your classic out and out fetcher.
3 Jun 2012, 14:35 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-871:
The vultures, buzzards and jackals circle as we type.
A certain phrase comes to mind………………………………………….”let he who has not……………………………………….”
3 Jun 2012, 14:35 pm
The Lions downing a Shark has to be the biggest joke of the weekend.
3 Jun 2012, 14:35 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-877: hey! here is one bulls supporter who gave them some credit
i even congratulated them on their fb page.