No Du Preez, Brussow for Boks
3 Jun 2012
Fourie du Preez and Heinrich Brussow were the big omissions from the 32-man Springbok squad to face England in the June Test series.
It was believed that Japan-based scrumhalf Du Preez was informally offered the team captaincy last week from head coach Heyneke Meyer. However, it seems as if the player has made himself unavailable for selection as he’s been left out of the squad. Eighthman Pierre Spies and centre Jean de Villiers should be front-runners for the captaincy.
Cheetahs openside flank Brussow is also a major omission from Meyer’s first official Test squad. His high penalty count this year is a probable reason for his exclusion. Stormers duo Juan de Jongh and Gio Aplon can count themselves unlucky as they were overlooked.
Stormers flank Siya Kolisi was not picked. However, he and six other young players – flank Arno Botha (Bulls), prop Frans Malherbe (Stormers), flank CJ Stander (Bulls), centre Francois Venter (Bulls) and scrumhalf Piet van Zyl (Cheetahs) – will train with the Boks during the series. This will allow these players to gain experience in the Test set-up, but they won’t be eligible for selection.
There are nine uncapped players in the squad – flank Marcell Coetzee, wing JJ Engelbrecht, lock Eben Etzebeth, flyhalf Elton Jantjies, lock Juandré Kruger, prop Coenie Oosthuizen, flank Jacques Potgieter, lock Franco van der Merwe and scrumhalf Jano Vermaak.
There are 15 survivours from of the 2011 Bok World Cup squad. Wing Bryan Hanbana is the most experienced player with 74 Test caps.
‘We were always looking to start the season with an experienced squad to face England, but injuries to certain players and the non-availability of others have made it difficult,’ said Meyer.
‘What we’ve lost in experience, we’ve made up in passion and desire to play for the Springboks. We have put together a squad with a nice balance between a number of veterans and players with less experience as we start to build for the rest of the season.
‘Working with these players during our four planning camps this season has been great and really made a very difficult selection process a bit easier. There were a few unlucky players that didn’t make it and they will get opportunities in future as long as they keep on knocking on the door.
‘The nine uncapped players have all put up their hands during Super Rugby this year and we know they have what it takes to succeed at the highest level,’ he continued. ‘We realise that it is impossible to please everyone when it comes to selecting squads like these, but we would really like to see the entire country stand behind us as we take on England.’
Springbok 32-man squad for June Test series:
Backs – Bjorn Basson, Jean de Villiers, JJ Engelbrecht, Bryan Habana, Francois Hougaard, Elton Jantjies, Zane Kirchner, Patrick Lambie, Lwazi Mvovo, Wynand Olivier, Ruan Pienaar, JP Pietersen, Frans Steyn, Morne Steyn, Jano Vermaak.
Forwards – Willem Alberts, Marcell Coetzee, Keegan Daniel, Bismarck du Plessis, Jannie du Plessis, Eben Etzebeth, Ryan Kankowski, Juandre Kruger, Werner Kruger, Beast Mtawarira, Coenie Oosthuizen, Jacques Potgieter, Chiliboy Ralepelle, Pierre Spies, Adriaan Strauss, Flip van der Merwe, Franco van der Merwe.
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3 Jun 2012, 18:48 pm
@David(David)-1135: nonsense, you bring it up as its a easy and cheap way to score points and get people riled up. but it just says more about you than it does them.
and your argument is a load of hogwash anyway.
Ian Mac started this crash-ball that was effective for the sharks in the 90′s but outdated by the time he tried it with the boks, Christie played a very balanced game, Markgraaf would fall under your forward dominace based criteria, but then Du Plesssis came and the ephasis was on an expansive game. Look how well that turned out.
Mallet had a balanced game, with emphasis on the forwards. Viljoen favoured all out attack, all over, scored a shedload of tries but conceded more.
Strauli was a mullet.
White favoured big guys but also improved ball skills, like likes of Habana worked with eye coaches to improve handling skills and that contributed to his ability to intercept. They won a WC.
I’m still trying to figure out what Divvie was up to.
The point is a sweeping generalization like this “My point is that the traditional Bok approach is a myth which coaches and supporters use to justify a conservative approach” just shows that you know very little about Bok rugby history.
just because you want something to be a specific way, doesnt make it so.
3 Jun 2012, 18:48 pm
Agile-T
Good point. That is the case at the top level. When did we last field a pack heavier than the opposition? Our approach is different, and so may it continue.
My un-scientific observation.
That said, other nations will fast track almost any big bloke to the top level because he is unique.
because we have many big players,the toughest come through.
At grass roots you will see bigger players in school and club teams in SA. walk around a european city and then Pretoria. The defining difference though is the attitude, I have been made aware of the anxiety which is caused in lower league change rooms when the opposition is overheard and southern accents are heard from the opposition. Not just SAFFA ones. For good reason.
But fully agree about the attitude. That is cultural, and our rugby reflects our culture, which I guess is not as calm as others.
3 Jun 2012, 18:49 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-1147:
My mom used to hide the bricks so we could not wack each other with them
3 Jun 2012, 18:50 pm
@roobarb(roobarb)-1134
I think Kanko was chosen as backup 8th man. We are light on flankers, especially if Potgieter is still injured
3 Jun 2012, 18:50 pm
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-1139: i dont exactly rate either of them either tbh.
3 Jun 2012, 18:52 pm
HaHa Nikita, far from home! i will keep my eye open for those venerable Bastions of Magazine Journalism.
3 Jun 2012, 18:54 pm
@danuk(danuk)-1154:
Back up * he selected 4 basically
Spies
Daniel
kanko
and Alberts can play 7 and 8
Where are the back up 6 ??
Brussow and Kolisi sitting at home ??
Can someone explain that logic please
3 Jun 2012, 18:55 pm
Roobarb,
Concede I could be wrong here, but Harry’s lot did’nt really score many tries did they?
3 Jun 2012, 18:55 pm
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-1157:
No more pink to choose from. Only logic I can think of.
3 Jun 2012, 18:55 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-1145:
That’s rubbish. Blaming a lack of skills of existing players on the black (quota) players (which is what you mean) is just idiotic. Which highly talented players have been left out because of quotas? Sure, a number of youngsters have taken the money and gone overseas but how many were genuine Bok contenders?
3 Jun 2012, 18:56 pm
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-1157:
Sorry * should be 8
3 Jun 2012, 18:56 pm
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-1157:
Whats a fetcher?
3 Jun 2012, 18:56 pm
Hi CoachP.
6′S Are Daniel and Coetzee, not so.
Alberts and Pottie 7′s it would seem.
Obviously some movement around the backrow possible.
3 Jun 2012, 18:57 pm
Well boys and Dawn, you get a fantastic *** and drugs scandal and still you talk about rugby…..
Excellent…. Don’t feed the ‘gutter press’!!
But Keo, your use of Nikita and Lucy and the dodgy camera shots a few weeks ago were seriously tacky!!
Did make me wonder
3 Jun 2012, 18:57 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-1159:
Ok Pink Bulls logic then Ha Ha
3 Jun 2012, 18:57 pm
Jacques Potgieter in injured?? Kolisi left out?? thats just plain crazy,
3 Jun 2012, 18:58 pm
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-1157:
Hi Coach
3 Jun 2012, 18:59 pm
Just how nice is cocaine anyway?
3 Jun 2012, 19:00 pm
As good as about 4 glasses of wine?
3 Jun 2012, 19:00 pm
Also deysel is a big bruising flank that also does some fetching etc??
If its big he wants?? but an injured man?? whats the point???
3 Jun 2012, 19:00 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-1166:
He was warming up with the reserves last night. Was all smiles. Yes a very strange selection indeed.
3 Jun 2012, 19:01 pm
@hensopper1(hensopper1)-1163:
Yes I think he has Coetzee to start at 6. A big ask for an inexperianced player, but he is great and Daniel as back up
Daniel can play 6,7 and 8
My real point is, take Brussow instead of kanko for insurance (even if HM does not like him), and add Kolisi in squad
3 Jun 2012, 19:01 pm
@hensopper1(hensopper1)-1158: i could be wrong too
3 Jun 2012, 19:01 pm
@hensopper1(hensopper1)-1152:
I always chuckle when I read the comments from some here that call our “Afrikaans” rugby outdated fuckadilly what what manga-manga styles. If it weren’t for our “Afrikaans” rugby brand, we would have NO brand of rugby here in SA worth mentioning.
So it is not surprizing at this point in time that the team is mostly white.
Anyways, enough of that.
This team will probably take England down 3-0 and there are big changes ahead of the Rugby Champs, and people seem to forget there are still mid-week matches and a lot of guys injured.
People really went off on HM.
3 Jun 2012, 19:02 pm
@carol(carol)-1167:
Hello Beautiful
Your boys have a chance here, with some of HM kak selections
3 Jun 2012, 19:02 pm
@carol(carol)-1164:
And where did you wonder to Carol? Your past?
3 Jun 2012, 19:03 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-1166:
Yeah, I also fall asleep with my forehead on the replay button sometimes.
3 Jun 2012, 19:03 pm
@roobarb2(roobarb2)-1151:
Not trying to score cheap points or rile people. Apartheid was a fact of life which you’re probably too young to have experienced for any period of time to have understood its effect on the national white psyche.
3 Jun 2012, 19:04 pm
HM has decided that he wants to do it his way. If you live in a world of compromise trying to please some of the people some of the time, then you are setting yourself up for failure.
Heyneke has got nothing but the Boks best interests at heart. He is passionate about the Boks. But he’s going to do it his way.
If he wants to pack his side full of Bulls and Sharks players, then let him do it. We need to give the guy our support. And time to deliver.
3 Jun 2012, 19:06 pm
@Nikita(Nikita)-1176:
Bless you my child!!
3 Jun 2012, 19:07 pm
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-1157: I can’t, big issue for me is that Potgieter dislocated his knee cap and at that stage indications where that he was out till July.
So why select him? Is he fit too play next week? If not why risk selecting him?
I think HM believes Coetzee is a good replacement for Brussow and I can see why, because England does not have a fetcher like McCaw, Pocock or Warburton we need to combat
Unfortunately HM has proven what a lot of non Bulls supporters feared …
3 Jun 2012, 19:07 pm
@David(David)-1160:
no.
Your team is only as strong as it’s weakest link.
And SA style has traditionally worked, because up close and personal you have to rely on your teammates that much more, like a heavy armoured phalanx formation, and our rolling mauls are legend.
But this notion counts in all other facets of our play too.
An enforced quota by definition means that the team will need to incorporate less-than-best players, that’s pretty easy to understand mate.
Not much more than a year after it’s implementation did we lose our positive test record against the All Blacks and I’m sorry if that’s like a kick in the nuts to you
….ok I lied, I’m not sorry.
3 Jun 2012, 19:07 pm
@IAAS(I am a stormer)-1179:
You are correct there for sure
We are just venting
But when all is said and done We all need to be 100% behind him and the selected bokke
Well I am going to
3 Jun 2012, 19:08 pm
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-1175:
I will not be holding my breath… Neither will I be taking a trip to the bookmakers office!
Shame there are no matches in Cape Town!
3 Jun 2012, 19:09 pm
@David(David)-1178: stop making assumptions and generalisations.
you’re not very good at them.
3 Jun 2012, 19:10 pm
@carol(carol)-1180:
Glass houses and stones?
Some people do have feelings but then again who actually cares.
3 Jun 2012, 19:11 pm
@David(David)-1178:
De SPRINGBOKKEN was a furious meatwagon almost half a century before Apartheid…. please dont.
3 Jun 2012, 19:11 pm
@carol(carol)-1184:
Actually the 22 playing squad will be fine for us
And we know what type of rugby will be played
I see us winning all 3
Take that to the bookies
3 Jun 2012, 19:13 pm
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-1157:
Having heard HM speak recently, it was no surprise to me that Brussow was left out. He had a long session with Brussow and unfortunately his penalty count worked against him.
HM is going to go for big bruising type loosies eventually when all are fit and well.
Names he mentioned are Vermeulen, Alberts, Jacque Potgieter, Deysel and Marcel Coetzee. And Schalk of course. And he rates Kanko as an impact player.
He mentioned that Spies needs to up his game big time. You will always hear HM say that rugby is a collision sport and Spies just doesn’t feature in that. He will be a stop-gap 8 until others come back.
3 Jun 2012, 19:13 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-1177: Nah come now Agile, i am not anti Bulls or anti POtgieter, infact till he got injured he was quite brilliant, but you dont select player that cannot play anyhow. HE IS INJURED
By all means when he is over his injury?? no problem, if he then wanted another Bull player why not CJ Stander who also has had a very good season??
3 Jun 2012, 19:14 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-1187:
yes in 1906 when they toured the British Isles
The reporters asked what they were called and one offered the name “Springbokken”
So a tailor was hired to make the springbok logo and a patch and was sown on the green Jerseys (borrowed from Bishops)
3 Jun 2012, 19:15 pm
sooooooooOO Feisty Nikita is
3 Jun 2012, 19:15 pm
@IAAS(I am a stormer)-1189:
yeah thanks for the info
I remember him saying its a collision sport not a contact sport
3 Jun 2012, 19:16 pm
@Nikita(Nikita)-1186:
Todays story is tomorrow’s chip papers…..(Old English saying)!!
S e x and drugs, not exactly war crimes!!
3 Jun 2012, 19:17 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-1190:
Maybe they accidentally got the wrong Potgieter
If he’s not ready, he wont be playing, and that he’s there is no guarantee for a cap either, so he may as well be in Kolisi’s shoes, whom is not deserving of a Bok cap either.
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-1191:
*sniff*
3 Jun 2012, 19:17 pm
@Nikita(Nikita)-1186:
Fight Fight ?
I dont know you Nikita, but Carol is a sweet heart
3 Jun 2012, 19:17 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-1190: have to agree with that. Potgieter is a good player and I liked the way he played, however I don’t see the merit in potentially risking him at test level coming back from a reasonably serious injury.
And if he will not play then why select him?
Too many contradictions for me …
3 Jun 2012, 19:18 pm
@Nikita(Nikita)-1186:
You’re right. People who live in grass houses shouldn’t get stoned.
3 Jun 2012, 19:19 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-1195:
I am glad you liked my story (its true )
3 Jun 2012, 19:19 pm
@carol(carol)-1194:
So explain what you are actually trying to say so that I too can understand your point.
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