No Du Preez, Brussow for Boks
3 Jun 2012
Fourie du Preez and Heinrich Brussow were the big omissions from the 32-man Springbok squad to face England in the June Test series.
It was believed that Japan-based scrumhalf Du Preez was informally offered the team captaincy last week from head coach Heyneke Meyer. However, it seems as if the player has made himself unavailable for selection as he’s been left out of the squad. Eighthman Pierre Spies and centre Jean de Villiers should be front-runners for the captaincy.
Cheetahs openside flank Brussow is also a major omission from Meyer’s first official Test squad. His high penalty count this year is a probable reason for his exclusion. Stormers duo Juan de Jongh and Gio Aplon can count themselves unlucky as they were overlooked.
Stormers flank Siya Kolisi was not picked. However, he and six other young players – flank Arno Botha (Bulls), prop Frans Malherbe (Stormers), flank CJ Stander (Bulls), centre Francois Venter (Bulls) and scrumhalf Piet van Zyl (Cheetahs) – will train with the Boks during the series. This will allow these players to gain experience in the Test set-up, but they won’t be eligible for selection.
There are nine uncapped players in the squad – flank Marcell Coetzee, wing JJ Engelbrecht, lock Eben Etzebeth, flyhalf Elton Jantjies, lock Juandré Kruger, prop Coenie Oosthuizen, flank Jacques Potgieter, lock Franco van der Merwe and scrumhalf Jano Vermaak.
There are 15 survivours from of the 2011 Bok World Cup squad. Wing Bryan Hanbana is the most experienced player with 74 Test caps.
‘We were always looking to start the season with an experienced squad to face England, but injuries to certain players and the non-availability of others have made it difficult,’ said Meyer.
‘What we’ve lost in experience, we’ve made up in passion and desire to play for the Springboks. We have put together a squad with a nice balance between a number of veterans and players with less experience as we start to build for the rest of the season.
‘Working with these players during our four planning camps this season has been great and really made a very difficult selection process a bit easier. There were a few unlucky players that didn’t make it and they will get opportunities in future as long as they keep on knocking on the door.
‘The nine uncapped players have all put up their hands during Super Rugby this year and we know they have what it takes to succeed at the highest level,’ he continued. ‘We realise that it is impossible to please everyone when it comes to selecting squads like these, but we would really like to see the entire country stand behind us as we take on England.’
Springbok 32-man squad for June Test series:
Backs – Bjorn Basson, Jean de Villiers, JJ Engelbrecht, Bryan Habana, Francois Hougaard, Elton Jantjies, Zane Kirchner, Patrick Lambie, Lwazi Mvovo, Wynand Olivier, Ruan Pienaar, JP Pietersen, Frans Steyn, Morne Steyn, Jano Vermaak.
Forwards – Willem Alberts, Marcell Coetzee, Keegan Daniel, Bismarck du Plessis, Jannie du Plessis, Eben Etzebeth, Ryan Kankowski, Juandre Kruger, Werner Kruger, Beast Mtawarira, Coenie Oosthuizen, Jacques Potgieter, Chiliboy Ralepelle, Pierre Spies, Adriaan Strauss, Flip van der Merwe, Franco van der Merwe.
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3 Jun 2012, 21:41 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-1334: I prefer the opinions of those not involved in SA rugby as coaches, players, fans regarding what they think of up and coming players as they leave out the personal bias. I am fortunate to deal with quite a few Kiw and Aussie rugga folk in my profession, and for them, Kolisi is their man in SA. I guess we all just look for ‘different’ things’ when we label a player ‘gifted, specia’. Me, I’m in Kolisi’s corner, along with many folk who know a heckuva lot more about loose forward play (and are qualified to comment on it) than what I do.
3 Jun 2012, 21:43 pm
@cab(cab)-1339: It is time. for a new coach at the Bulls.
Ludeke has done what he could.
The patience and disclipine quote is about all one gets from him these days.
Granted. The Bulls are still there and thereaboots.
But dammit. Fed-up with the gameplan now.
Slooooow ball. Slowing it down even more.
I suppose it takes some defence -like what the Stormers pulled off- to counter.
but in all the last games when the Bulls were behind and the players starting playing regardles of the game plan. It looked much better. More destructable even. Why this prolonged agony. We need to find periods in the game to up the tempo -like that – and more often.
3 Jun 2012, 21:43 pm
@shooter(shooter)-1341:
You too mate.
I just wonder what the activity will be like on here. Keo has no shortag of publicity now that’s for sure ..
3 Jun 2012, 21:43 pm
@cab(cab)-1349: True… They were farken good and the Sharks were daydreaming…
One things for sure is that they can score tries and when it all comes together they are a good side to watch…
Actual fact the Lions vs Sharks was a far superior game to watch than the insipid Bulls vs Stormers
But what pisses me off about the Lions is they shitintheir panties whenever they come up against any ANZAC side… now theyve come back to spoil the little SA conference party…
Hopefully they produce as good a performance against all the SA sides theyve still got to play… Fairs fair and all that, no?
3 Jun 2012, 21:44 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-1345: POP! ****sour grapes pop****
3 Jun 2012, 21:47 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-1355: Of course its sour grapes… Sharks lost to what was the hindtit sucking side in S15… But in hindisight they played farken well that 1st half and Jantjies showed what he really can do with some sort of parity.
Jantjies probably the most exciting if not best 10 in SA rugby full stop.
3 Jun 2012, 21:47 pm
the funny thing is that the bulls\springboks lost to a depleeted stormers away from home and the sharks\sprinboks lost to the lions who are at the bottom of the log.
Another thing jurie roux looked upset at the squad anouncement.
3 Jun 2012, 21:48 pm
@shooter(shooter)-1352:
I dont think u guys or ludeke are doing too bad all things considered, you’ve just had to rebuid a championship winning side and you still not too far off the pace – i just feel u dont have the ysters like gurthro, danie and bakkies anymore – stormers got etsebeth, elstadt, vermeulen, fourie all combative players.
3 Jun 2012, 21:48 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-1338: after your Sharks capitulated to Lions I reckoned its enough torture already.. here you were aiming at 5 points with Stormers getting fokol.. when it worked out almost exact opposite – you came away from Ellis Park with zilch – and we still had to face Bulls.. and I realized I shoulda made that part of the deal that if you lost to Lions then that’s part of the deal.. so I said Bulls game result is off
.. it so happened we still beat Bulls in spite of every overriding sentiment expecting we were going to lose .. i didn’t expect a win there gotta be honest.. but after Spies botched his advantages and tried to rub it in how superior Bulls are at Loftus.. I knew with 10 to go we were going to win it.. we started busting them down and before the Kolisi break which setup Habana. it clicked that we were actually going to take Bulls at Loftus.
So it no skin off my nose these kinds of bets are hollow victories at best of times… could have gone either way and Bulls blew it.. Stormers held fast and defended like Trojans and bust them apart when it mattered and counted.
We deserved the victory even tackling 3 times to every one of theirs and losing possession and territory and huge line out loss advantage
3 Jun 2012, 21:49 pm
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-1347:
“big” is almost relative sometimes.
I wouldnt worry, there are enough “small” players.
And besides, we can pitch up with a less-than-ideal team and beat the Roses, I know it’s so important for them to start HM term on a winning tour, but such nuances as whether or not we have a recognized fetcher can be worked around.
Bismarck is there, and Coetzee is pretty aggressive, England dont have the firepower to stop us eitherway.
When it comes to the Rugby Champs, we will see a few changes.
Dont forget the midweeks too.
3 Jun 2012, 21:50 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-1354:
ja thats also true, the lions must start beating foreign oppo, but i think the lions are alot better side than ppl think and their injuries pretty much decimated their campaign – dunno who is next up at ellis, but i would not wanna be travelling there. they going to come off that win with alot of confidence. they do need a few more players to be competitve tho.
3 Jun 2012, 21:51 pm
Louis Schropnel
Are you unable to read you bufoon!
Go back and read my post again SLOWLY.
I said that the typical type of no 7 the Boks have produced is the type of player Potgieter is.
Blind, not open. So you think Elstadt is better, bully for you.
A specific physical type is required. Please don’t tell me you saw DNA as a specific racially insulting term you semi literate s.h.i.t head.
Bringing some kind of race hate issue in here I take exception to you paranoid fool.
Jussus,all these guys are Afrikaans I named, Oh no! Have you noticed that most of the rugga players in the country are Afrikaans?
How do you know what I am you moron!
I rate Kolisi and a host of other great flankers in SA. Sia will be a great soon, Heyneke Meyer recognises this and is easing him in, Your ranting is misplaced foul mouthed nonsense.
3 Jun 2012, 21:52 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-1351:
Yeah, I’d perhaps question the outsiders’ devotion to religiously watch our games, and take things to heart, ignoring bias. There is always bias, and they dont select/coach our teams with any sort of game/team plan in mind.
So that doesn’t mean too much to me. I’ve watched Kolisi and he is just not good enough to displace Marcell to me.
3 Jun 2012, 21:53 pm
@cab(cab)-1358: ja I guess. Like I said. Ludeke is playing a very predetermined way. I think even the thickest guy has to admit. It looks like there is a gameplan at the moment. And in fairness, it has worked for most part.
And yes. For a tema that used to have those players you mentioned in one team at one time, it bothers to have no real spanner boy in there.
Potgieter is hard. But even he needs some back-up. And he’s not there now.
Don’t worry, I’ll have to add. Somewhere in the Far North the factory is processing the request.
3 Jun 2012, 21:53 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-1354: the lions were just as good against us in the second half in the game we played earlier in the comp but if theres one thing we can do is tackle. Bosman was like a speedbump and mapoe made pieterson his b i t c h, he aint no center.
3 Jun 2012, 21:54 pm
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-1359: No worries… Name your poison if you so wish since you were so…um… “considerate”
3 Jun 2012, 21:54 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-1356: How was the Lions vs Sharks game?
I enjoyed it thoroughly
3 Jun 2012, 21:56 pm
comparing Kolisi and Potgieter is an apples and pears thing anyway.
They will play together in Bok sides of the future to great effect and aclaim.
3 Jun 2012, 21:57 pm
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-1359: You won the game against the odds. even in the context of game that try was against run of play.
But if it was the other way round. I would’ve also taken it. Spinned it. and been happy.
happy 1 skop >
3 Jun 2012, 21:59 pm
@SteveWarren(SteveWarren)-1365: Mapoe did not make Pieterson his bi.yatch at all… Remember, Pietersen also scored. I though JPP played quite well on the contrary.
Bosman was disappointing but out of the backs, the guy who had the worst game I have seen in a long while – actually he has had no bad games so his time was coming – was Lambighini… His positioning was woeful which also led to his high ball defence being atrocious… In the forwards, Beast, Bissy and Jannie were terrible too especially in the tight loose and Alberts came short big time.
3 Jun 2012, 21:59 pm
the bulls got gifted a try and a yellow card and still couldn’t beat the stormers.
3 Jun 2012, 22:02 pm
@cab(cab)-1361: Lions get 3 bonus point wins in their next 3 games and Cheetahs get nothing that puts them at 35 and Cheetahs at 34…
Unlikely but still as possible as beating the Sharks with a 4 try BP… and then what? That’ll fark the SARU and Keo Kings Cat no end….
3 Jun 2012, 22:03 pm
@SteveWarren(SteveWarren)-1371: jaja. now just go on and win the whole thing or else it is all dejavu again.
3 Jun 2012, 22:03 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-1370: I really rate pieterson a better wing than center. Its a case of a position coming naturally if he has to think a half a second about what he has to do the opposition center is in a gap you can see the same thing with engelbrecht.
3 Jun 2012, 22:03 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-1370:
think SL was right, sharks didnt switch on for that game, they’d psyched themselves up for wp and thought they could just pitch up and beat the lions – mitchell and carlos were amped, it was funny to see.
3 Jun 2012, 22:04 pm
@hensopper1(hensopper1)-1362: who said ‘race hate’..? you did.. not I..
I simply asked what your reference to DNA was about.. or is it perhaps you got some other misplaced idiosyncratic idealism you not too clear about either
seems you got a serious chip on your shoulder buffoon.. get rid of it.. it don’t do you much good…
and for your information Potgieter ain’t as good as you reckon.. I also rated him highly till I saw him drop balls left right and center all over the place.. big song and dance show pony that dude without too much going on between his ears either.
We got some way better options at 7 (beside the fact that Potfieter is injured) .. Kolisi and Elstadt are two of them .. so tell Heyneke he’s stupid.. like it seems you might be too.. you can tell him directly from me.. ‘shithead’
3 Jun 2012, 22:04 pm
@JL1(JL1)-1367: It was actually a farken infuriating but at the same time very exciting game offering the very best and very worst of SA Rugby at the same damn time…. Howzat?
3 Jun 2012, 22:05 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-1370:
But not nice seeing JP get touchy with Mapoe.
The only forward that really stood out once again was Coetzee, loved it when he hammered Jantjies in the tackle from behind when the latter thought an open tryline was too good to be true. Suspicions confirmed, Elton.
Ja, I actually enjoyed the Lions win, but I admit it wouldve been better for the sharks to win. Was pretty impressed by Kallie Visagie too.
How is Deysel coming on though?
3 Jun 2012, 22:08 pm
i’m interested to know what actually happened between fdp & heyneke meyer last week because heyneke told the media fdp was definitely in his plans & fdp haf declared LAST YEAR already that if heyneke got the job he’d return to international rugby no doubt, now a WEEK before the test series he suddenly thinks he is not fit for it
bullshit
“Fourie has been in excellent form
in Japan [playing for Suntory
Goliath under Eddie Jones] and is in
top physical condition.
“However, he will not be able to be
part of my last training camp
[being staged in Durban today] or
play this coming weekend because
he is still contracted in Japan and
International Rugby Board
regulations preclude him from
doing so.
“We have been in regular contact,
he is available and I will include
him as he understands my methods
better than anyone, and I’m sure
he’ll make a vital contribution,”said Meyer.
3 Jun 2012, 22:09 pm
@SteveWarren(SteveWarren)-1374: Hes a more experienced wing than centre… obviously… We also forget he is one of the best 14s on the planet. But I reckon he hasnt been half bad at 13 – certainly not as good as he is at 14, for the Sharks… But would like to see him partner Frans Steyn there for one two games and then see… I reckon partnering with Steyns experience, leadership and distribution at 12, JPP could be utterly devastating at 13.
3 Jun 2012, 22:09 pm
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-1376:
“…big song and dance show pony that dude without too much going on between his ears either.”
LOL Skoppie, actually he has a masters degree in economics.
3 Jun 2012, 22:11 pm
@shooter(shooter)-1373: we not good enough at the moment to win the comp our attack is to limp but I put that down to duvenauge’s passing, he keeps on passing behind the player which makes it extremely hard for grant and jdv to free up the outside backs.
When schroeder came on the attack was much better for the simple reason that he was passing in front of the players, so they didn’t lose momentum and the ball got to the outside backs.
3 Jun 2012, 22:13 pm
oh, the “Dynamite” was supposed to be sitting on 54 pts right about now as we were expressly told by some windgat self-proclaimed “HONEST” rugby supporters
bwhahahahahahaha
3 Jun 2012, 22:13 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-1381: Economics you say.. hmm impressive.. he should try utilize a bit more economy of purpose on the rugby field .. they tell me Schalk is a 6 x distinction MA of something or other also.. must be all these highly educated graduates lose some of their inherent intelligence DNA soon as they step onto a rugby field.
3 Jun 2012, 22:15 pm
i dont get duvenhage over schreuder. – is niel de kok still playing in england, he;s better than both imo.
3 Jun 2012, 22:15 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-1378: I thought it was great seeing JPP get fired up… Cheeky farken Mapoe needed to be put in his place…
Yeah, Coetzee is a phenomenon… Fak me, the guy is a great in the making… Great attitude, ballas in spades, still some improvements to be made, willing to learn but impressively only 20… and I am not trying to hype him, believe me. No wonder Heyneke put him straight in the Bok squad.
Wouldnt be surprised at all if he starts against England in the first game.
3 Jun 2012, 22:15 pm
Cape Town – Local rugby writer Mark Keohane has resigned as spokesperson for South Africa’s Olympic team after allegations of drug abuse and sexual harassment.
According to Rapport, Keohane resigned from his post on Friday, while also stepping down as director of publishing company, Highbury Safika Media (HSM).
Former female employees of Keohane claim he suffers from a “miserable cocaine addiction”, visits prostitutes and also sexually harasses women.
Several employees of Keohane have made similar claims against him over the last two years, which was brought under the attention of the Commission for Conciliation, Mediation and Arbitration (CCMA).
Keohane said he has informed the South African Sports Confederation and Olympic Committee’s (SASCOC) CEO Tubby Reddy of his decision to resign as spokesperson which won’t see him go to London for the Olympic Games in July.
Keohane told Rapport there is an agenda against him and he resigned because he can’t allow “unhappy and vengeful former employees to undermine the credibility of HSM and SASCOC”.
Keohane and HSM signed a contract with SASCOC, believed to be R12m, in 2008. They do all the media liaison work for SASCOC and South Africa’s Olympic team.
Keohane said he has already enlisted legal advice to fight the allegations brought against him.
Reddy said SASCOC’s contract is with HSM and not with Keohane, but added that should the allegations against Keohane be proven true, it would be contrary to the image the sports body aims to portray.
3 Jun 2012, 22:16 pm
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-1384:
Naahh, actually I just made that up to get a small reaction out of you to demonstrate that you really have no idea of what goes on “between his ears”
So keep it rugby mate, we need these bruisers, they are definitely trying to work on all other areas of their game.
3 Jun 2012, 22:17 pm
@cab(cab)-1375: Actually I reckon totally the contrary… They had psyched themselves up to “respect” the Lions… They needed to go to Ellis and show a bit of contempt and nastyness which they didnt do…
3 Jun 2012, 22:17 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-1388:
Or maybe Potgieter really does have a M Econ, somebody research that
Dewald Potgieter is also academically distinguished by the way.
3 Jun 2012, 22:22 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-1389:
lol, no i dont think so, beast wasnt going for it, bismarck and alberts also so-so. Strauss had a phenomenal game – i reckon he;s better than coetzee tho that might be heretical to sharky ears.
3 Jun 2012, 22:22 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-1386:
There’s that word again, “attitude”.
Yes, he has a good body, but he has heart and determination, and a bit of luck.
He is not all that physically impressive, as say….spies
But he is a hard worker like the Stegmanns of the game, pity he isnt as naturally tough, but then none are
I would like to see them combine actually, huge, huge workrate both of them, then Spies can take his recliner to the field after we get the IRB to approve special safeguarded wheels for it.
3 Jun 2012, 22:23 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-1390: when would he have had time to do economics as he left daniel pienaar to the sharks the came back to the kings & in september last year moved to the bulls? 8 super rugby caps later he is a bok.
3 Jun 2012, 22:24 pm
LouisSCH…
I don’t socialise in the rarified social climes with the bok coach, it appears you do, as you refered to your ‘discussion’ with Mallett. Or where you shouting at him from a window when he was driving past?
Are you for real?
You talk about ‘you’ and ‘us’ winning this game ansd that, You personally insult players, coaches, posters, the whole rugby community in fact.
As Agile T pointed out, the youngster has a degree. When did you see him dropping Balls ‘left right and centre’? You ‘used to rate him’. What?
When people express another opinion to you, try to read it properly first , and then respond with a basic level of courtesy.
If you feel yourself feeling frustrated and angry and wanting to shout and insult other people. Take a deep breath and tell yourself your opinion is as meaningless as everybody elses.
3 Jun 2012, 22:26 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-1383: The dynamite fuckedup and the Lions were superb… Far better than the Kings would be in a 100 yrs…
How can the Lions not be in Super Rugby if they can perform like that?
Tell you what, this site will never hear the end of me should the Lions farck the Stormers up after the Intls…. Then we see who actually is windgat and who has the last laugh, Sharksworld “expert”.
3 Jun 2012, 22:26 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-1388: he’s a bruiser sure.. bit of a loose cannon who shows little more bluster and less effectiveness… Coetsee is far better.. and Dewalt Potgieter plays with far more intelligence than Jacques does, who’s been out for awhile so I don’t know quite what Meyer sees in him and Kankowski of all people that he cannot see in either Elstadt or Kolisi.. Potgieter is OK but I rated him much higher than he actually showed when I watched him carefully he was far more show and less effect than some other blind siders we got.. He played against us in Cape Town and our boys kept him out. Blues beat you with him in your run on side at Loftus.. so how effective is he actually?
3 Jun 2012, 22:26 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-1393:
-_-
He’s 26, he couldve had a PhD by now.
3 Jun 2012, 22:29 pm
Sorry Agile T , too slow for that one, right over my head!
3 Jun 2012, 22:31 pm
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-1396:
Yes, I also wouldnt have taken Potgieter, either of them, and I too am not sure what Kanko is doing there, but we can perhaps blame that on Vermeulens injury and experience.
I would seriously look at Elstadt too, although I would like to sit Elstadt down on his gat actually. But we need these sort of players.
3 Jun 2012, 22:31 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-1392: Lol… Sorry to say, your man Steg nowhere near this guy or Kolisi as the new wave of loosies cut a swathe through Green and Gold.
And Spies needs a PK very soon just to snap him out of GIJoe appearance only… Prototype no 8, him and Kanko, and fckknows Meyer could be the coach that gets the best out of them, but Spies especially has lost my benefit of the doubt… He needs to prove himself all over again if not just to repay HM’s faith in his abilities….
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