Comments on: Smit wary of well prepared Poms

By: Biscuit(Biscuit)

Biscuit(Biscuit) — Tue, 05 Jun 2012 11:37:17 +0000

Actually I did research the big picture.
I read the blog post (that was taken down) that you allude to plus some of the articles that came from it. The blogger certainly seemed to have an axe to grind
I listened to the podcast response by both Tank and Keo.
I read follow up articles investigating the real situation behind the PE Contracts

Keo does not seem connected to the company responsible for the PE Stadium or the Spears etc.
Sure some of the Directors (Oberholzer etc.) have previous associations with him. Some may even like Keo. Brett Kebble was a neighbour of mine and I bumped into him walking the dogs a few times. It does not follow I am connected with JCI.

But HSM does not have a contract. Keo does not have a contract (except the Watson one)

But even if he did how would this make Super Rugby or Tests go to PE?
SARU don’t like Keo. Keo is way to short to be Superman.

Seriously – lets have some facts now not supposition

By: Mike H(Mike H)

Mike H(Mike H) — Mon, 04 Jun 2012 18:12:26 +0000

@mad eye(mad eye)-58: Indeed well said. I am a huge admirer of John Smit. Too many unappreciative folk around. Let's watch them turn on HM as well. Fickle bunch!!

By: Mike H(Mike H)

Mike H(Mike H) — Mon, 04 Jun 2012 18:10:52 +0000

Rent a controversy thread. Blah!!

By: charo(charo)

charo(charo) — Mon, 04 Jun 2012 14:52:17 +0000

i think divvie’s book might give us more insight into why john smit stayed on till rwc2011.

there are many assumptions made here based on rumour and gossip.

and lightweights like gwantie and some cpt journos were leading the chorus.

By: mad eye(mad eye)

mad eye(mad eye) — Mon, 04 Jun 2012 14:37:17 +0000

John Smit and Hansie Cronje two of the most diverse charachters that you could ever get.
Both great leaders,but Hansie was born into leadership,John won it the hard way.
Correction,John never looked for his second captaincy,he had left for France.
De Villiers went over and begged him to come back and contracted him to the end of the world cup.
John saw his contract out,what can be sinister about that.
One day he will coach a world cup winning team,he has the charachter and strength to do that,and won’t have to rely on a captain to do it for him.

By: Slumtown(Slumtown)

Slumtown(Slumtown) — Mon, 04 Jun 2012 14:12:50 +0000

Aus vs Scotland JWC now 62-12 nuff said. Be interesting to see what happens later with NZ and South Africa

By: Slumtown(Slumtown)

Slumtown(Slumtown) — Mon, 04 Jun 2012 14:05:41 +0000

@mad eye(mad eye)-54: yes Scotland beat a very bad on the day Bok side. There were many probs – did they do the same to NZ and Oz – i dont think so – secondly I was talking about the JWC now, and thirdly how France made the final is anyones guess – they were dismal all the way through the WC. they played well in the final but theyre wayy too inconsistent to be a constant threat.

By: Slumtown(Slumtown)

Slumtown(Slumtown) — Mon, 04 Jun 2012 14:03:48 +0000

@mad eye(mad eye)-53: no most definitely not – Jean should also be stepping back in my opinion. If you ask me Jean is the main reason for our attacking woes. No small wonder he is in both Stormers and Boks and both have issues in backline attack. Look at what a difference in the WC when F Steyn was at 12.

Victor was considering coming back for Heyneke at his request for this test series – seriously dont think he will be back after this. He was always a gentleman. John carried on cos he was greedy he wanted that 2nd World Cup as captain. if he was honest with himself he would have stepped back – but the machinations behind the well mannered headboy attitude speaks of someone different to me. Sorry to say. Whole of Sa thought the sun shone out of Hansie Cronje´s butt too – another little mr perfect headboy and look where he went.

By: mad eye(mad eye)

mad eye(mad eye) — Mon, 04 Jun 2012 14:03:04 +0000

You are really an idiot,didn’t the Boks without John as captain get beaten by Scotland last year.
There is the parity.
Didn’t France make the World Cup finals.

By: mad eye(mad eye)

mad eye(mad eye) — Mon, 04 Jun 2012 14:00:23 +0000

50
I rest my case.
Who said Victor is gone?
Do you really think that Jean De Villiers is the best centre in the country.?
When was the last time he scored a try?

By: Slumtown(Slumtown)

Slumtown(Slumtown) — Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:59:00 +0000

If Smit was correct then it would be visible in the U20´s games at the JWC – Australia is busy creaming Scotland 48-12
– wheres the parity in that?

By: mad eye(mad eye)

mad eye(mad eye) — Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:53:40 +0000

45
My post at 21 said much the same.
Why all this Western Province hatred for such a great man.
If any of you have ever met him you will know what I mean.
Funny you never hear the players or coaches saying a bad word about John.
He was loyal,to Jake and PDiddy,but on this forum there is a special kind of hatred aimed at the man,led by a coward with the nic Grant 10.
He spent tears obsessed with hatred for John on these pages.
The man was a great captain,and I know how valued he was in the rest of the world.
When you read the viciousnesss of some of these attacks on him you wonder what he did.
Very simple he pointed out that Luke Watson was a **** and refused to play with him.

By: Slumtown(Slumtown)

Slumtown(Slumtown) — Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:49:50 +0000

@mad eye(mad eye)-12: you forget to add he also didnt have the grace to retire with respect and kept a better player out of the team due to so called captaincy qualities that were non existent. Ever wondered why creamy milk turns sour if you leave it out in the sun for too long? Man disgraced himself with his attitude in the last 2 years - nothing churlish about that. Victor bowed out a gentleman. big difference.

By: Slumtown(Slumtown)

Slumtown(Slumtown) — Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:47:11 +0000

@cane(cane)-36: Yeah but bro - she is constantly on here trying to sound intellectual obviously flaunting her english and journalism studies about on an effing rugby blog. Talking in riddles and being cryptic - with that kind of aloof smartass attitude youre bound to just pi55 people off. All she had to do was come on and say I wasnt one of the employess complaining - Marks been great or if the opposite is true then stay away from the blog. All upset cos of some lame rumours who no-one cares about yet she was the one doing the blonde bombshell on video bit with Mark a few weeks back. You wann stuff about with sexuall innuendo on a rugby blog with a bunch of slobbering males then expect some jibing later no? Cry me a river man.

By: >^..^< katman(katman)

>^..^< katman(katman) — Mon, 04 Jun 2012 12:53:33 +0000

@Biscuit(Biscuit)-47: Actually, that's not it. The link to a piece detailing keo's involvement and interest in the Kings and Eastern Cape rugby has been posted here on numerous occasions. He's involved in bringing games to the stadium too. Get the big picture before you get uppity.

By: Biscuit(Biscuit)

Biscuit(Biscuit) — Mon, 04 Jun 2012 12:42:41 +0000

@>^..^< katman(katman)-30: I don't het how Keo is even relevant to the Spears siuation HSM manage Watson's image etc. That's it If you think SARU listened to Keo at all then it's you that is taking something

By: Biscuit(Biscuit)

Biscuit(Biscuit) — Mon, 04 Jun 2012 12:39:49 +0000

@stormer in a teacup(stormer in a teacup)-44: There's an educated response! Argue against @mad eye(mad eye)-12: by all means.

By: Biscuit(Biscuit)

Biscuit(Biscuit) — Mon, 04 Jun 2012 12:33:56 +0000

Most of the people above (not all) can’t put their hatred behind hem and evaluate what Smit said.
Ask yourself if you are being objective or just displaying juvenille hatred.

First of all he is going to be called often. Most capped international captain ever and living in the UK.

Look what he actually said now…
a) England did get togethe rbefore the Boks. Quite a bit before
b) The Boks are coming together with less than a week before the 1st Test and they have just been through some gruelling derbies. They will be sore while Engalnd will be rested

Engalnd will be better than the England of the last few years.
The England of 2011 was a mess. Undisciplined, selfish.
Lancaster and Robshaw have turned things around.

At home the Boks must have the advantage but to deny that England have a chance …

Argue against the points he makes and don’t play the man!

By: stormer in a teacup(stormer in a teacup)

stormer in a teacup(stormer in a teacup) — Mon, 04 Jun 2012 12:20:50 +0000

@mad eye(mad eye)-12: Rubbish.

By: Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)

Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl) — Mon, 04 Jun 2012 12:09:31 +0000

i value jons opinion.

age may well have caught up with him these past couple of years but he is no idiot.