Bok bulldozers eye axis
5 Jun 2012
Ricardo Loubscher says the Springboks will target England’s 10-12 channel as their primary source of momentum.
The 10-12 combination of Owen Farrell and Brad Barritt started all but two matches of England’s Six Nations campaign and could be the preferred partnership for Saturday’s Test at Kings Park, although Charlie Hogson and Toby Flood are options at pivot.
Injury curtailed Flood’s involvement for the start of the Six Nations and Hodgson and Farrell were then preferred upon his return. However, Flood is the most experienced player in the squad with 47 caps, and in a Test of this magnitude coach Stuart Lancaster may well opt for him to steer the ship. In this case Farrell would shift to inside centre and Barritt to No 13.
However, Loubscher sounded an ominous warning to whoever fronts in the 10-12 channel. Speaking in the context of their attacking game plan, the Springbok backline coach said: ‘We have to earn the right to go wide. We are going to play directly and attack the 10-12 channel. So obviously the wings won’t get the ball in the early phases. If we create overlap opportunities we’ll be in business. We have a philosophy that we believe in. Our job is to get in behind the pack of forwards and to get guys to finish from there.’
Frans Steyn, who’ll start at inside centre, will be used in conjunction with key strike runners to try and generate the momentum the Springboks seek. Loubscher, however, stressed that Steyn offered more and would be used as more than a battering ram.
‘I’m excited to have him there because he has the skills set to play flyhalf as well. You are at an advantage when you have a 10-12 axis that are good decision makers and have the added bonus of a great kicking game.’
Loubscher continued, adding that even though there is a widely held perception that Jean de Villiers is being compromised by being asked to shift to the relatively unfamiliar role of outside centre, he felt it was the position he was best suited to.
‘Considering how we want to play, I would prefer to have Jean at outside centre. We see our 12 as the man to get us over the advantage line, and then when the ball is recycled the idea is to have your best decision maker at outside centre, and that man is Jean,’ he said.
Meanwhile, Monday’s training session shed some light on who would start at fullback. Zane Kirchner ran in the position for the majority of the session and the Bulls man, who has drifted between solid and outstanding in Super Rugby, is expected to oust Pat Lambie.
The pick will be viewed as a conservative one by many, but it would not be unexpected given Meyer’s familiarity with the player and what he offers in the context of their game plan and as a counter to England’s. Speaking of the two, Loubscher expressed the view that Lambie was in fact better suited to flyhalf.
‘They are different players. Zane is strong under the high ball and has strong kicking game. If you look at Lambie at flyhalf he brings an X factor. I think Pat is best suited to playing at flyhalf,’ he said.
‘If you’ve watched him at the Sharks he makes good decisions under pressure and that’s what you would expect from your 10. But it is all about what is needed on the day – if you want your impact at 10 or at fullback.’
By Ryan Vrede, in Durban
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175 Comments
5 Jun 2012, 14:50 pm
idiot – why not just tell england our strategy before the game – keep quite for **** sakes
5 Jun 2012, 14:53 pm
OK so with sideshow bob @15 and Elton Janties and Ruan in the squad, this now means that Pat Lambie is now 2nd choice fullback…..what a crying shame, he would be my 1st choice @ no 10 if anything
5 Jun 2012, 14:54 pm
Geesus ….. why tell then the strategy?
5 Jun 2012, 14:54 pm
@JackShanghai(JackShanghai)-1:
Not as if there was any secret about HM’s tactics right from the start
5 Jun 2012, 14:55 pm
Nothing the English did not expect anyway
5 Jun 2012, 14:59 pm
@JackShanghai(JackShanghai)-1: It’s QUIET – or just plain “hoekom hou hy nie net sy bek nie!!!!” On the other hand (Darren) it could be mind games?
5 Jun 2012, 15:03 pm
its one thing to know the enemies plans
its another thing to be able to do anything about it.
5 Jun 2012, 15:09 pm
You have to be really daft not to have known that this was going to be the gameplan from the beginning – so its not as though he is letting out state secrets.
I am really amused to read about them taking it wide when the overlap is on. The only team in SA who do not butcher an overlap is the Cheetahs because they understand that you have to draw defenders to each of your backline players in order to utilize an overlap. Frans Steyn does two things with a rugby ball in open play: he either hangs on to it, or he gives a skip pass. Skip passes kill overlaps. Watch the junior Wallabies to see what a team looks like who distributes a rugby ball in the backline. It is awesome.
No chaps, expect forwards bashing it up all day long, followed by slow ball and Hougaard erecting camp behind the ruck only to repeat the whole process again. When the ball does go out to the backline, M Steyn stands deep, throws a long pass to whoever is outside him. He crashes into the opposition and a turnover ensues. That is if one of the Steyns does not kick the ball into oblivion. It is going to be thoroughly boring.
5 Jun 2012, 15:13 pm
Ok Meyer has said he believes Lambie is best at 15, but Loubscher believes he is best at 10. What say the Sharks about this?
5 Jun 2012, 15:17 pm
@houston, we have a problem…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-7:
Thats correct, its like clive woodward said,everyone know that england would take the ball up with martin johnston but everyone knew it would take 3 x commited defenders to stop him and that was non-negotiable
5 Jun 2012, 15:17 pm
The human centipede behind the scrum strat does nothing except look retarded!
5 Jun 2012, 15:18 pm
@Couchcoach : So you’ll be watching Footballers’ wives then ? He…he…he…
The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food : Sharks would add in 12….
5 Jun 2012, 15:19 pm
its is my opinion too that kirchener is a better out of hand kicker than lambie at fb, as well is better suited to (and better) under the high ball.
lambie will have to focus his contest at #10 more than at #15 in this hm bok team because he will stick with what he likes for the next four years.
if he’s to force his way in then he is better off doing so at #10.
5 Jun 2012, 15:19 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-9:
that there rugby is packaged as ………… well !!!!!
5 Jun 2012, 15:21 pm
Poor Lambie being shoved out gently…
5 Jun 2012, 15:22 pm
Zane Kirchner our new fullback hero… It doesn’t get better now does it…
5 Jun 2012, 15:23 pm
@FFF(FFF)-14: I am asking them because they have mentioned that Pat is the best 10 in SA, as well as the best 15 in SA. So I’m not sure a bench position is what they had in mind for him?
5 Jun 2012, 15:23 pm
Maybe Lambie is too small for HM style of rugby!
5 Jun 2012, 15:24 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-9:
I am no Shark, but I believe he is the best 10 we have. He runs straight – thus making him one of the best potential distributors of a rugby ball to the backline. He has to be good if he can make Meyer Bosman look like something. He has pace off the mark as shown by his frequent line breaks and has a good kicking game. Defensively he is sound and very brave. He makes quick decisions and then executes that decision wholeheartedly.
I want my fullback to have gas to burn – ala Aplon. He must be able to run at forwards in the defensive line after the opposition kicked on him and beat them with quick footwork. I don’t think that Lambie has that sustained pace that is needed in that position.
Even with Goosen in mind, I believe that Lambie is our best option at 10 and if we give him JDV at 12, a player with strength and gas at 13 to either break the tackle or take the outside gap, I believe we will have a backline that will rival any team on the planet. There are some good young 13′s out there in the form of De Jongh, Taute and Jordaan. But if we are going to develop these guys’ talenst, the will has to be there among the coaches to play to their strengths. At present all the quick balls are going to the forwards in the 10/12 channel and the slow balls go to the 10 to try and conjure up something. Its pathetic really.
5 Jun 2012, 15:24 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-17:
Shame the Sharks feeling the wrath of HM! You have to feel for them… At least I rate him…
5 Jun 2012, 15:26 pm
@FFF(FFF)-10:
yip.
there are fools among us.
the boks will play to a telegraphed plan, yes
but with momentum and the space opening up when the english ‘feel the force’ will then look to do all the fancy stuff as and where fit.
5 Jun 2012, 15:26 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-17: Well at least he made the bench which is a whole lot more than Peter Grant, Aplon, De Jongh or Pietersen now isn’t it!
5 Jun 2012, 15:27 pm
Well if the coach doesn’t have faith in Lambie who are we to argue. He is a clever man and obviously knows better than us!
5 Jun 2012, 15:28 pm
@houston, we have a problem…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-13:
Houston, we have a problem indeed if talent like his is going to be discarded because of the coach’s petty, nonsensical and farcical preferences.
5 Jun 2012, 15:28 pm
@Sharksgirl(Sharksgirl)-22:
yeah it is.. but Lambie that doesn’t change the fact that Lambie should be the Boks 15 if you don’t like those players or not. We are talking about Lambie now…
5 Jun 2012, 15:29 pm
@Couchcoach(GI POT)-24:
We have being saying the same thing, but some people are calling us sour grapes… Lambie should well feel agrieved and rightly so.
5 Jun 2012, 15:29 pm
@Sharksgirl(Sharksgirl)-22: Bench should read squad
5 Jun 2012, 15:30 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-15:
you could say the same and more about ratel…
5 Jun 2012, 15:31 pm
@Sharksgirl(Sharksgirl)-22: I don’t think I mentioned Grant, Pietersen, Aplon or anyone else in my comment? Only Lambie, and I asked the opinion of Sharks fans, so your little we la kapela answer didn’t quite give me what I was looking for. Any other Sharks fan prepared to give it a go?
5 Jun 2012, 15:32 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-25: Actually Bill it was a knee jerk reaction to nonpedigreed’s comment, Aplon is one of my very favorite players and I don’t even like the Stormers, and I also like Pietersen!
5 Jun 2012, 15:32 pm
@Sharksgirl(Sharksgirl)-22:
Hello Sharksgirl. I feel your anguish and agree that Lambie should be starting at 10 if not 15. The new coach has his fav’s and you, like us will have to live with them… Getting angry helps with the healing.
5 Jun 2012, 15:33 pm
@Sharksgirl(Sharksgirl)-30:
It’s ok! I like Lambie and I don’t like Kirchner. This coach is irritating a lot of people believe you me…
5 Jun 2012, 15:34 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-26:
Bill, for how long have the rugby loving public waited for talent to emerge at 10? Now there is this predigiously talented youngster and he is being overlooked in favour of the very one-dimensional type of 10 that we have had scores of over the last decade. I cannot understand it.
Moreover, he has test experience already and has proven that he can bark with the big dogs, yet he is not given an opportunity. I am sure that his time will come, but what concerns me is the very conservative approach that Heyneke is taking. It does not look promising for talented players.
5 Jun 2012, 15:37 pm
Toby Flood?
I hope someone shoves him into the cameras like he did to Percy in 2007
5 Jun 2012, 15:37 pm
@Couchcoach(GI POT)-33:
Mate I’m a believer… I cannot tolerate Stain or Kirchner. They were one dimensional against the Stormers and will be so against the Poms as well. There are numerous talented players being discarded by the coach but we will have to grin and bear it. He believes size and brawn is better than skill and gile…
5 Jun 2012, 15:38 pm
Zain gonna cause hearts to pain… ours.
5 Jun 2012, 15:38 pm
Go Ricardo!!!!
mike catt ain’t got s.hit on ricardo on backline/attack play, ask Tacitus!
5 Jun 2012, 15:39 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-37:
Change you nic to Stirrer…
5 Jun 2012, 15:40 pm
This new coach has made a few friends but many enemies…
The Pink Bulls and HG are huge fans…
5 Jun 2012, 15:40 pm
@Couchcoach(GI POT)-8: 2009 all over again
5 Jun 2012, 15:41 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-29: “I am asking them because they have mentioned that Pat is the best 10 in SA, as well as the best 15 in SA. So I’m not sure a bench position is what they had in mind for him?” That sounds like you are trying to send us up, but if not, I apologise and here is my reply no I am not happy that a mediocre player like Krusty will start while Lambie sits on the bench, as to Krusty being good under the high ball so is Lambie and he offers much more,(maybe Loubscher has forgotten that up and under from Morne that Lambie caught with several of Loubscher’s bulls chasing hard which sealed the 2010 CC semi for the Sharks). However, I understand that Lambie is versatile and can play 3 positions well and so may be the best player to have coming off the bench as he covers so many positions, and introducing the unpredictability once the poms have been tired out. And if you whant my honest opinion I don’t understand how Krusty is in and Aplon out!
5 Jun 2012, 15:42 pm
@Couchcoach(GI POT)-24:
come now coach,
i would not call them petty, non sensical or farcical. morne is and has been the incumbent #10 for a while now and is still the top scorerer in super rugby, with clost to the best if not the best stats. he was always going to start at #10.
added to this there has been healthy comp for the position with elton showing form at times, goosen making his mark, butch overstaying his welcome and grant keeping cape hearts in shape.
lambie has to beat all this and some in order to get a look in, no matter what. simply because the coach has a plan, a style and a idea of what he wants in the short term and probably in the medium term.
as good as lambie may have been… so have others….
we can accept he is not naturally a fb more so than he is a flyhalf so why convert him from his better position? especially when that position itself has many contenders? some of whom are much better in the position than lambie.
just to satisfy an emotional hurt for a young talent without a cause..?…
no man
this is the real world
and we are the springboks
its time take back our legacy
expect collateral losses.
5 Jun 2012, 15:42 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-40:
Yeah different coach same game plan…whatever…we are used to it…
5 Jun 2012, 15:42 pm
friendly fire
if you will
5 Jun 2012, 15:42 pm
All this crying over the Bok squad. Ever stop to consider the extent of England’s problems? I’d hate to have to choose between the fabulous mediocrity of Flood, Farrell and Hodgson at flyhalf. And Mouritz Botha, bless him, would not make the Lions squad.
5 Jun 2012, 15:43 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-35:
My only hope is that he is taking this ultra conservative route now because he has not had time to build a team who understands his philosophy. I can understand that he would then include mostly Bulls players, but then he should say so and not make excuses and say silly things such as Kirchner is the best fullback in the country. That is bound to piss people off. Too many things don’t add up for me – and here I was believing that common sense would prevail under him. TSK TSK TSK
5 Jun 2012, 15:45 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-43:
no bill
this time its different
this time its all about winning
5 Jun 2012, 15:46 pm
@Couchcoach(GI POT)-46:
He has been very sly and dishonest in his comments. He says he will select form players and selects Kirchner and Spies… He says he will choose the best captain and the each franchise has good candidates and then pleads for Matfield and Fourie to return. If you believe a word he says you are the most gullable person around…
5 Jun 2012, 15:46 pm
@Couchcoach(GI POT)-8: the poms had no answer for willem alberts though he battered them into submission, they managed to score in the last minute when cj threw an errant pass that foden snatched for an intercepted…
the poms will feel the pain again!
5 Jun 2012, 15:46 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-17:
OK here is how it is, i may be wrong, but i never heard of HM saying that Lambie is better suited for 15 then 10, its was always said by Keo staff, after Morne Steyn said in the SA rugby mag that “I hear they want to use him as a 15″ (something to that effect)
Now how and why would he get first hand info like that from the bok coaching staff (cause that would be worrying) and would it not be convenient for the incumbent bok no 10 tosay something like that to get reporters tails wagging to take pressure of his spot by saying things that would set people off in that direction cause after all he did the “they” and not “him” and in HM
After alll the article did read “This is my jersey come and get it” or something to that effect
agin i stand to be corrected…..but that would make scenes
5 Jun 2012, 15:48 pm
@houston, we have a problem…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-47:
Yeah I forgot! Forgive me…
5 Jun 2012, 15:48 pm
There’s a point no-one’s raising. The “target” is to have 4 players of colour in the starting line-up. If Lambie’s at fullback, there are only 3 (Beast, Habana and JP).
5 Jun 2012, 15:49 pm
@houston, we have a problem…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-42:
I am not concerned about collateral losses in the form of players being discarded for the good of the team. I am concerned about scoreboard losses because the coach is walking around with blinkers. His gameplan is essentially the same as that employed by PDV and how far did that get us? Rugby has evolved – I have said it before and I will say it again: we are going to have our arses handed to us by the AB’s if we do not catch up. We have to employ a more complete gameplan that is based on creativity and not on the mistakes of the opposition. But hey, time will tell whether or not I am delusional – and this coming Saturday will be the first glimpse…
5 Jun 2012, 15:49 pm
@houston, we have a problem…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-47: I agree. HM will bring winning back in fashion and will hopefully steer clear of “judge me at the World Cup”
5 Jun 2012, 15:50 pm
@Sharksgirl(Sharksgirl)-41: Thank you. I was not trying to set you up. I believe his best chance of getting a starting berth for Meyer’s Boks would be at 15, as Meyer himself has alluded to this. Yet, Zane gets hauled into the starting lineup – which is against all trends,speculation and common decency. Without me incurring the wrath of Heavens Game, I am surprised so many Sharks fans still blindly believe this man is the Messiah.
5 Jun 2012, 15:50 pm
@Philou(Philou)-52:
Did you not hear? There are no quotas for players of colour any longer. There is only a quota for Bulls players…they are now seen as historically disadvantaged because they did not win any competitions last year
5 Jun 2012, 15:51 pm
@Couchcoach(GI POT)-53:
When the Skop and Jaag coach was selected why were so many so excited! We knew his love child Steyn and Spies would be there. Krusty is also his fav… It is not a secret…
5 Jun 2012, 15:51 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-32: I guessed this would happen the day they announced HM as the new Bok coach! and when his assistants were announced it just prepared me for the squad even more, so Saturday was not a huge pain to me (either I was prepared or still smarting after the Sharks performance/non-performance)! Some selections are really bizzare, Kirschner being one, and Kankowski, how does he get selected with what 20 minutes SR time this whole season? I’m a Shark and don’t believe he deserves a spot, hell I got worried when he was in the Sharks’ match 22! Lambie is the best 10 in my opinion but a good 15, he offers way more than either Krusty or Morne (except the kicking at posts) but maybe it will be better for the young man to come off the bench and be spared some backlash if the Poms do to us what the Scots did to Oz. Anyway I have packed my black and white shirt away, I have taken out my green and gold shirt, I have tickets to Kings Park and Go my Bokke!
5 Jun 2012, 15:52 pm
@Couchcoach(GI POT)-53: Yes, rugby has evolved but is based on the same principle of forward-dominance. Infact, some of the new rules make it better to hand the ball to the opposition on your terms.
I agree that we need to bring more than stampkar, but we must not lose what we do best and that is bully. Then we swing it wide for the show-ponies
5 Jun 2012, 15:53 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-51:
natuurlik sou jy vergeet
jy’s n wp ondersteuner
winning mate…winning…
what a feeling
5 Jun 2012, 15:54 pm
@Sharksgirl(Sharksgirl)-58:
It is no longer about talent but about promises. I’m with you on this…
Be honest and open with the supporters. Don’t pull wool over their eyes…
5 Jun 2012, 15:54 pm
@Couchcoach(GI POT)-53: The problem is that is really how most SA S15 franchises play with the odd difference here and there.
5 Jun 2012, 15:55 pm
@Sharksgirl(Sharksgirl)-58: I think Kanko selection has much to do with line-out options. I don’t think he’ll be there when Duane gets back
5 Jun 2012, 15:55 pm
@houston, we have a problem…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-60:
Oh yes that Kolisi break re-appeared… Go winning go… Three loses in a row is bad ne…
5 Jun 2012, 15:56 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-55: Nope I have admired Meyer’s achievements but I am no fan of his! He particularly peeved me when he went into that all glorious sulk when he did not get the Bok coach post in 2008.
5 Jun 2012, 15:56 pm
@Couchcoach(GI POT)-53:
expect to be ‘shock and awed’ in to submission
@Bismarck Burger(Bismarck Burger)-54:
exactly.
a simple plan really.
people overlook the fact that the ab’s win ugly more often than they win pretty… but they win all the same.
5 Jun 2012, 15:57 pm
@houston, we have a problem…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-66:
Just like the Stormers… Talking about it is a form of healing mate…
5 Jun 2012, 15:58 pm
…the difference is the win against the Pink Bulls was not ugly at all. It was like manna from heaven… As sweet as honey… as clinical as a cover drive…
5 Jun 2012, 15:59 pm
At last some something sensible out of the HM camp. Unfortunately I believe this is the end for Lambie. Sorry Sharkies, but I believe he will be of to Europe soon.
5 Jun 2012, 15:59 pm
@Bismarck Burger(Bismarck Burger)-63:
HM has apparently always been an admirer of Kanko, like Spies with less pheromones……
5 Jun 2012, 15:59 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-64:
5 Jun 2012, 16:00 pm
@TooMuchRugby(TooMuchRugby)-69:
I seem to agree… He will work out players one by one… Such a pity…
5 Jun 2012, 16:00 pm
Yeah Ricardo. You tell them. You have crazy backline moves set up for Saturday. Did you hear that Lancaster!!! We are going to attack your 10 12 channel.
Just so you know.
5 Jun 2012, 16:00 pm
@houston, we have a problem…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-71:
Oh that was priceless…something money can’t buy…
5 Jun 2012, 16:00 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-68:
watch it…
5 Jun 2012, 16:01 pm
@Sharksgirl(Sharksgirl)-41: “I apologise and here is my reply no I am not happy that a mediocre player like Krusty will start while Lambie sits on the bench”
well you know how the rest of the country feels when a poefta like kankowski is picked before siya…
5 Jun 2012, 16:02 pm
On another topic, has keo made bail?
5 Jun 2012, 16:02 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-73:
ja, but what are they gonna do about it…
5 Jun 2012, 16:02 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-57:
Well, I believe that on the basis of his past success that he was the best candidate. I also believe(d) – guess the jury is still out – that he is a thinker on the game and that he would be best able to assess the direction in which the global game is evolving and would devise a way for us to become world leaders once more. What I did not anticipate was his obvious lack of self confidence to tackle the mission without his trusted allies of Victor and FDP. That came as a huge shock to me. I thought more of him. I believed that he would have the courage and conviction to select the best players for the future and not try to revive the past glories of players who themselves were not prepared to go that route. I am concerned about the message that sends out to younger players and the current crop of experienced and in-form players.
Moreover, I am not too perturbed about the inclusion of Spies, Morne and Kirchner. They are to be expected for reasons that you mentioned. However, I am absolutely flummoxed at the inclusion of JJ Engelbrecht at the expense of De Jongh, Kankowski instead of Kolisi/Brussouw and the exclusion of Aplon. It sounds alarm bells to me that I cannot get rid of.
5 Jun 2012, 16:03 pm
Also, Mr Lancaster, if you would like to know our line out calls, please contact the Boks for further details.
5 Jun 2012, 16:05 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-77:
Was he in lock down for doing blow, or was that just allegations
5 Jun 2012, 16:05 pm
The thread of arrogant dismissiveness about ‘the poms’ from some ‘japies’ that runs through a few of these blogs is not healthy. I’ve never rated Scotland,but what happened today…
5 Jun 2012, 16:06 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-76:
he is not krusty, he is side show bob.
kamkowski must be thankful for the little he gets. he scored a jackpot here… but everybody knows… the house always wins…
8)
5 Jun 2012, 16:07 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-73: with charlie hodgson there that channel should be renamed “Heaven’s Gate”
5 Jun 2012, 16:09 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-77:
I do hope those nice clean cut boys Ryan and JC,
are not involved in this *** and drugs stuff.
5 Jun 2012, 16:10 pm
@houston, we have a problem…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-78: nothing! between barritt there’s two swing gates…hodgson & tuilagi!
5 Jun 2012, 16:10 pm
@papashanga(papashanga)-82: I am sure the Shark Boks will be able to teach the other guys all about respecting any team before a match
5 Jun 2012, 16:12 pm
Yes, I believe the POMS will come out fighting. Never underestimate an Englisman. They are fighters, even if they have to resort to underhand tactics. Our so-called “bruisers” should’nt be too confident that they will win the fight. In any case the only real bruisers I envisage to be in the starting line-up will be Bismarck and Alberts.
5 Jun 2012, 16:12 pm
@cane(cane)-85: Both JC and Rehaan are virgins (although Rehaan is a non-practicing virgin). And the only drugs they do are cooked up from non-prescription, over-the-counter stuff.
5 Jun 2012, 16:15 pm
Another wanger-swinging mythological North South Sharks Siya Kanko Stormers 500+ comments coming up.
5 Jun 2012, 16:16 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-89:
Listen.
It is REYHAAN.
Not Rehaan.
5 Jun 2012, 16:16 pm
@FFF(FFF)-81: No, the lock-down bit was added for dramatic effect. Otherwise there wasn’t much material for this episode of Law & Order.
The allegations are for real though.
5 Jun 2012, 16:18 pm
Okes, I have a R1000 bet going on who will start at fullback. I will lose that bet if this report is correct. Any inside information?
5 Jun 2012, 16:21 pm
@cane(cane)-85:
oh caner….
you are so naive
8)
5 Jun 2012, 16:21 pm
It will be interesting to see what Loubscher does with the backs in the long run… I guess nobody will mind if the boks play winning test rugby and having a strong kicking game, but for heavens sake a team should be coached to ensure that the backs are sharp enough and have the best skills to score tries when they have the opportunity to do so … Lets hope this is also part of the plan.
Divvys boks never looked like a team who had the confidence to attack with succes… I think Steyn has a lot to do with that… If a flyhalf can play positive attacking rugby with confidence it instills a sense of optimism with the rest of the backs. Steyn hardly provides that x factor needed to achieve this…
But will Loubscher have what it takes to change this?
5 Jun 2012, 16:21 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-86:
my point exactly.
5 Jun 2012, 16:22 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-77:
Been a bit busy this Diamond Jubilee Weekend, but slightly troubled by Nikita’s reaction here on Sunday Night to the Keo allegations!
5 Jun 2012, 16:24 pm
@cane(cane)-85:
When I briefly met Simon he appeared to be terribly sensible!
I think confectionary would be his downfall!
5 Jun 2012, 16:30 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-89:
I’d pay hard cash to get into Keo’s Newlands Corp Box.
- An unequaled view of the game.
- A party to end all parties.
- The off chance of meeting Young Nicky.
- Blow.
- Keo’s little black book of great telephone numbers.
- Pizza perhaps.
We only live once.
5 Jun 2012, 16:36 pm
Brokebacks still complaing about their 3
Guppies complaining about their Lambie
5 Jun 2012, 16:36 pm
@carol(carol)-98:
I’m sure Simon and Gareth are fine human beings.
But are they easily lead?
I am.
8)
5 Jun 2012, 16:36 pm
@cane(cane)-99:
Will blow be a pizza topping? This Mozzarella tastes funny….
5 Jun 2012, 16:39 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-40: I have a sneaking feeling of putting R500 on Argentina getting their first win against the Boks this year, I wonder what the odds are for that result
5 Jun 2012, 16:42 pm
@XhosaKid(XhosaKid)-103:
Its bound to happen some time, but they probably need some more time to play regular international rugby… Perhaps in a 2 years or so… Although if HM is aiming to make the boks the best team in the world…they might have to wait a bit longer…
5 Jun 2012, 16:42 pm
@carol(carol)-97:
I can understand Young Nicky’s reaction.
what started 3 or 4 weeks ago as a bit fun,
turned into reputation thing.
Personally, I commend her for fronting up.
No one else has.
5 Jun 2012, 16:43 pm
@cane(cane)-99:
Blow and Pizza……..ever tried eating on blow ??
5 Jun 2012, 16:45 pm
It says a lot about a player like Lambie when a kak player like Kircher is preferred over him. LOL
Face it folk a kak fullback is better than a slow Lambie.
Now Lambie has a problem. Well actually 3 problems, problems that are all better than him.
Steyn, Goosen and Elton.
5 Jun 2012, 16:46 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-92:
Picture Keo playing basketball in pelican bay……
5 Jun 2012, 16:47 pm
@RL(RL)-107:
Shut up
We talking about blow and pizza
5 Jun 2012, 16:47 pm
So what happens should we win all three tests? Will the coach then say we have a winning team so stick with it, or will he bring back the injured players who we think are essential to the Boks?
5 Jun 2012, 16:48 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-109:
…..LMAO
5 Jun 2012, 16:50 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-109:
mind you that was a staple diet of axl rose in the late 80′s early 90′s
5 Jun 2012, 16:50 pm
@FFF(FFF)-111:
Indeed
I am siek and sat of this kuk talk already
Let’s talk rubbish
5 Jun 2012, 16:51 pm
@FFF(FFF)-112:
The good ol’ days
5 Jun 2012, 16:55 pm
@cane(cane)-105:
Good wins over evil. Always. Having your name trashed is fine if in jest. With actions there are always reactions.
No disrespect to Carol. She took the brunt unecessarily. I do apologize.
5 Jun 2012, 16:56 pm
@cane(cane)-105:
‘Fronting up’ !
Anyway, Percy is well out of this, he is surfing up the coast on his new ‘Spyder’ surfboard!
Ask me how I know this?
5 Jun 2012, 16:57 pm
Damn. Too late. Now we gotta go for different topic.
5 Jun 2012, 16:57 pm
@RL(RL)-107:
Shame you must really loath that kid…….is it him being a kak player,or kak selections that make you make kak comments, or the kak brandy at the kak cheap price in the kak city you stay in
5 Jun 2012, 16:59 pm
@Nikita(Nikita)-115:
Relax chillax
It happened 3000 posts ago
A lot of water has passed under the bridge
Your rep is intact
5 Jun 2012, 17:00 pm
Besides everyone was out of their little minds on Saturday night
5 Jun 2012, 17:02 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-120: Including our Springbok coach it seems…
5 Jun 2012, 17:02 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-119:
Questions = answers – answers = doubt – doubt = rumours – people strive on rumours.
But thank you.
5 Jun 2012, 17:02 pm
@Nikita(Nikita)-115:
Hey, please do not apologise to me, no need. I enjoy some robust banter!!
You were defending your boss!
5 Jun 2012, 17:03 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-109: have you ever eaten a prawn pizza – yaaaami lick lick lick
Keo will tell you how to blow. He is a pro
5 Jun 2012, 17:04 pm
@Nikita(Nikita)-115: hey jojo…hoe gaan dit?
5 Jun 2012, 17:05 pm
Forget the drugs, Prosecco is the way to go!
5 Jun 2012, 17:07 pm
@Nikita(Nikita)-122: So does this mean you are back??
5 Jun 2012, 17:07 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-125:
Desperate times call for desperate measures. Every cloud has a silver lining I’m told. Knowing very little is often too much at times.
5 Jun 2012, 17:08 pm
I for one really rate Brad Barritt.
I can’t help but wonder what would’ve happened had we ‘capped’ him with Bok colors. Just imagine if we could’ve had an extra option of Barritt and Waylon Murray in midfield. That combo had potential.
We’ve got to watch the English midfield-two ‘big boys’ there, with a 12 that can think and distribute as well?
5 Jun 2012, 17:08 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-127:
As a blogger, yes.
5 Jun 2012, 17:08 pm
@cane(cane)-105: when is she going to “front up” with rugby opinions? skynz have melanie robinson and keotv has jojo but melanie actually has 2 GOLD women’s world cup medals and our jojo only has a tongue in cheek video showing off her figure.
tell you squeeze to ante up
5 Jun 2012, 17:10 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-127:
We need some more girlie’s here!
5 Jun 2012, 17:11 pm
@Nikita(Nikita)-130: Welcome (back) to the mad house.
I would say that things get pretty lively on this side of the fence, but you’re obviously used to it by now.
5 Jun 2012, 17:11 pm
@Nikita(Nikita)-128:
One tip, only Skoppie is allowed to talk in riddles!
5 Jun 2012, 17:12 pm
@carol(carol)-132: True. Too much testosterone the last few days……
5 Jun 2012, 17:13 pm
@carol(carol)-134: PS did you attend the celebrations? I watched the concert last night. Lots of “old fogies” on the stage.
Jimmy Carr is always good for a laugh though….
5 Jun 2012, 17:14 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-135: I still want to know what’s going to happen when we win this series 3-0. Is the coach going to keep a winning team? Or will he bring back the players we perceive to be imporant to be there?
5 Jun 2012, 17:15 pm
@FFF(FFF)-108: Or walking the yard, trying to get rid of the soil excavated during operation tunnel. Bandana om die kop.
5 Jun 2012, 17:15 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-135:
Can you snort that too?
5 Jun 2012, 17:15 pm
@carol(carol)-134:
For those who can’t read between the lines – try sniffing them. It works sometimes.
5 Jun 2012, 17:18 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-136:
Look at my FB, I have posted some Jubilee Party photos taken yesterday at our farm.
We did watch the concert, have to say Robbie Williams was magnificent! Can hardly talk today, so much singing!
5 Jun 2012, 17:21 pm
Strange how Loubser got it spot on the correct format to play De Villiers to his strengths but Fleck and AC don’t
The only real crux to this issue is the best 12 in the country ain’t in the squad..
and the worst backup centre in the world is..
Shows how dubious some peoples recognition of what right from wrong is.
Like I said before lucky for HM this is ‘only’ England.. if it were NZ he’d be toasted cheese by Sunday. Despite that he better watch out for Tuilagi. he ain’t gonna mince around the outside channel none so HM made ONE good call thus far giving the reigns to his team to the best candidate in the country JdV, however if WO somehow gets on the park I pity the overrated donna son.
5 Jun 2012, 17:23 pm
@cane(cane)-105:
I commend her front too.
5 Jun 2012, 17:24 pm
@carol(carol)-141: I’m looking but I don’t see them.
?
5 Jun 2012, 17:24 pm
@Nikita(Nikita)-140:
JDV as skipper, your thoughts?
5 Jun 2012, 17:25 pm
@LightZone(LightZone)-137: “There’ll always be criticism, but I’d like the country to get behind the team. I think this is the best squad going forward,each guy now needs to pick up his hand and show he needs to be in the team.”
make up your own mind
5 Jun 2012, 17:25 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-144:
How odd, satelite delay….One of my mates in Durban has just commented so it must have made it over the ocean!
5 Jun 2012, 17:27 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-143:
Put your testosterone away, it is only Tuesday!
5 Jun 2012, 17:30 pm
@carol(carol)-145:
Wasn’t one we were expecting but it is a temporary one all the same.
5 Jun 2012, 17:33 pm
@Nikita(Nikita)-149:
Makes it sound like you are slightly disappointed, Jean will be mortified!
5 Jun 2012, 17:34 pm
@carol(carol)-147: Damn timeline.
Still don’t see them…..
Will check later again.
5 Jun 2012, 17:35 pm
@carol(carol)-150:
No. There were two names mentioned here and his wasn’t one of them. It came as a bit of a surprise.
5 Jun 2012, 17:43 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-146: Apart from one or two borderline decisions I’m not mortified with the squad. Just wondering from a devil’s advocate point of view really.
5 Jun 2012, 17:46 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-9:
Prefer Lambie at 10.
5 Jun 2012, 17:48 pm
@Nikita(Nikita)-152:
Jean would be my No 1 choice.
5 Jun 2012, 18:31 pm
Joanne.
Here, one learns very quickly to HTFU!
5 Jun 2012, 19:40 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-156: well said Angie…i admit i had a chuckle @ Jojo’s little rant…
if the shoe fits
5 Jun 2012, 19:53 pm
Again — music to the ears of most coaches. SA will rely on a limited game plan, based 100% on achieving complete forward dominance? Shocking. So original and creative. That’s why Meyer earns the big paycheck, huh?
Thank God it will be hard for opposition to know what they’re getting from the Boks. Most be a nightmare for them to figure out where to prepare.
5 Jun 2012, 21:08 pm
No he doe’snt mr loubsher, every time frans steyn has played 10 he has fukedup. do not play him there especially when we need a kick to touch on our own line!!
5 Jun 2012, 21:14 pm
http://www.theroar.com.au/2012/06/06/campo-springboks-go-combinations-youngsters/
for all you stupid phucks that keep on whining and not supporting your coach HM and his selection of boks to face the english – read it and wheep!!!!
5 Jun 2012, 21:24 pm
Wat is jy so moeilik
5 Jun 2012, 21:55 pm
What is this coke scandal that Keo is now in?
5 Jun 2012, 22:32 pm
PDiv’s asked(in a radio interview this am) if he’d invite Oregan H around to his pad for a braai. Replies(spontaneously) that if he was hungry he would. But if he wasn’t why would he? I had to pull over before I caused an accident. I miss this dude plenty. He’s bloody sharp and very bladdie amusing.
5 Jun 2012, 22:57 pm
@TASSIES(TASSIES)-163: classic! Lol
6 Jun 2012, 01:56 am
What are the chances of HM surprising and starting Lambie at 10?
6 Jun 2012, 02:13 am
Seriously…..
We’re going to contemplate what Ricardo Loubser thinks???? This D00S coaches Vodacom Cup…..and we’re going to take his word at an international level?
F#ck him!!
He is so far off being an international coach it’s not funny! It’s like the ANC wanting a say in who the IMF gives money to. This clown is just another political quota joke…..
God help us against the English with our one dimensional BUL coach and a chimp for the backline……..
6 Jun 2012, 02:43 am
WOW the BOK BULLDOZERS are going to win the game for the Boks…boring and no way, the English will put them to the sword. All it will take is the English to score a couple of quick tries and the Boks will fall apart, they have no plan B…ummm..yes they do….KICK IT…come on you guys, what is going to change with the Boks game from 2009, when all they did was kick, wait for the mistake and convert it to points, but ahhh the AB’s sorted that out and come 2010 did the Boks 6 and 0…end of story on that, but then 2011 of course the AB’s won the RWC and just by watching your U-20 Team, looks like the DNA of the Boks game is surely enshrined in this Team also…so I am picking the English to win and win well, even the AB’s would have a tough time dealing with them but then the AB’s would still win that game….Loubser has after all given away your game plan…duhhhh!!! I wonder what the English will do…lets see…keep the ball away from the 10-12 channel oh yes….easy to see and easy to do…bulldozers cant run very fast anyway….for the series…3-0 to the English…easy as mince pie…
6 Jun 2012, 05:32 am
@CT Shark(CT Shark)-166: Actually he now coaches at international level and wouldn’t get there if he didn’t know his stuff.
Jake and Divvy did not even have vodacom cup experience. Get over it.
6 Jun 2012, 07:18 am
Hopefully at least some of this is made up and the Boks are not giving anything away. Reminds me of a few disasters of the past – du Plessis being one. As tot he players – let Heineken have his way the proof is in the eating. I don’t think Barritt and Farrell will be pushovers, even for F Steyn and certainly not M Steyn. Remeber also in the RWC what happened when F Steyn was injured in a game he needn’t have even played in! When a key player is gone, team self belief falters. The AB’s know this; that is why BoD was deliberately targeted in the Lions tour and Smit by Thorne in NZ.
Forget the individual players for a moment – rugby is a team game and HM needs to quickly weld up a team with some self belief otherwise he’ll be on the back foot. One way is to start with players that know each other but Test rugby is a little different to S15. SA teams are notoriously fragile and one dimensional – you could see this in both the Lions vs Sharks & Bulls vs Stormers games. When things didn’t follow the plan; key players didn’t deliver, set pieces went wobbly and in fact wobbles started all over.
Hopefully HM can counter this with solid set pieces and flexible tactics; even in the face of dodgy refs. Ask the Lions in their last visit to SA – they couldn’t beat Brycie; but neither could the Boks in RWC!
6 Jun 2012, 08:01 am
@slow114(slow114)-165:
Zero!
6 Jun 2012, 08:03 am
@CT Shark(CT Shark)-166: Gav??
lol
6 Jun 2012, 08:07 am
All the English have to do is watch last weeks match of the Bulls, they will know how to take care of the kick and bulldoze game,
Eish why do we have to keep being so one dimentionable
6 Jun 2012, 08:45 am
Frans Steyn will take the crash ball time and time again, he will never pass and more often than note will lose the ball in the contact situation.
6 Jun 2012, 09:36 am
This gives nothing away. Frans Steyn automatically attacks the 10-12 channel whether it’s in the gameplan or not. That’s what big inside centres do, and he does it better than most.
6 Jun 2012, 11:32 am
Morning folks,
Boy, did I miss some drama on the weekend I believe
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