Lancaster not fazed by mysterious Boks
5 Jun 2012
Stuart Lancaster says in the absence of footage of a Heyneke Meyer-coached Springbok side they have been forced to review Bulls matches and garner information from within his own squad.
The Springboks have only four days to prepare for the first Test against England in Durban on Saturday, which is clearly a significant obstacle. However, their advantage stems from England’s limited analysis material, whilst Meyer and technical analyst Rassie Erasmus have a wealth of information from England’s Six Nations campaign on which to build their challenge.
Lancaster acknowledged that it was a disadvantage but explained that there are avenues they have explored in order to fill in the gaps in their knowledge.
‘You go back through previous teams that he coached, he has a long association with the Bulls, and he also spent seven months at Leicester. We have six or seven players who’ve worked under him and given us insight into him as a person as coach,’ Lancaster said. ‘The beauty of this tour is that we play each other three times in three weeks so we are going to know each other inside out at the end. It’s more about who learns quickly during the game and who adapts to the match situation.
‘South Africa would have had a good chance to have a look at us during the Six Nations, while their last game was the World Cup quarter-final in 2011. So that’s a clear advantage. But again it’s about adapting quickly, especially in the first Test because come Sunday both sides will have a clearer idea of the other’s strengths and limitations.’
Click here to read Stuart Barnes’ take on Stuart Lancaster
Lancaster also explained that the experience and familiarity of the Springboks’ senior players will soften the impact of an inadequate build up.
‘The Springboks have had limited preparation for this series, but they have a core of players who played not only in the World Cup but prior to that as well. There will be a common understanding and philosophy. South Africa are a difficult side at home, irrespective of their preparation time.’
England last won in South Africa 12 years ago. It signalled the start of a golden era which culminated in them winning the World Cup in 2003. Asked whether this was their best opportunity since that last victory to return with the Bok scalp, Lancaster offered: ‘I tend not to look back, but rather forward to where we want to go.
‘This is undoubtedly a huge opportunity to test ourselves against high quality opposition in their own back yard. A tour doesn’t get any tougher than facing South Africa in South Africa, as the British & Irish Lions found out in 2009.’
By Ryan Vrede, in Durban
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635 Comments
5 Jun 2012, 09:15 am
Go Bokke!!!!!!!!
5 Jun 2012, 09:20 am
England to win by 10.
5 Jun 2012, 09:24 am
Going to be a tough first game
5 Jun 2012, 09:24 am
Boks by 12+
5 Jun 2012, 09:24 am
Probable bok starting team if reports from training in Durbs are to be believed.
15 Zane Kirchner, 14 JP Pietersen, 13 Jean de Villiers (capt), 12 Francois Steyn, 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Morne Steyn, 9 Francois Hougaard, 8 Pierre Spies, 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Marcell Coetzee, 5 Juandre Kruger, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Bismarck du Plessis, 1 Tendai Mtawarira
5 Jun 2012, 09:28 am
@Riaan26(Riaan26)-1: Go Mysterious Bulle Bokke!
5 Jun 2012, 09:29 am
@John Galt(John Galt)-5: Not a bad team except for Kirchner at 15.
5 Jun 2012, 09:35 am
@John Galt(John Galt)-5:
More than likely… and with RP and Lambie on the bench it’s more a question of whether the spit is 5/2 and if so… Ralepelle will get the nod over Strauss and whether there will be two props or two flankers?
5 Jun 2012, 09:38 am
Kirchner and Spies. *sigh* No way that these decisions were made with an unbiased mind.
If this is the stats Rassie provides Meyer on players…. embarrassing.
5 Jun 2012, 09:38 am
Ever since I can remember I supported the Boks ,defended the Boks , loved the boks !! In my environment for every bok supporter there is a AB supporter , every Stormers a Crusader. I argue , I defend , I persist. Sadly after more than 20 years I give up. I cannot defend the undefendable. I cannot support this Bok team. Its laden with Tokenism and provincial biasness.
Jean is only captain to please the Western Cape , why appoint him so late ? They wanted to see the outcome. Meyer comes across as a man with good planning so he cannot say he wanted a day extra to think about his captain. k@k.
There is no way , not form related , not ability related , not previous form related that JJ or Meisiekind is better than Juan , ditto Aplon vs Basson. Every excuse written , every thing I went over trying to make sense but I cannot. Meyer says he picked the team because he had so little time to prepare so went with players he knows. How well does he know JJ ? He never evens coached him. He talks about needing experience , well again how experience is JJ ? He played a handful of games at centre for the bulls while Juan has been a regular Bok the last few years.Also he is comfortable at 12 and 13.
He talks about strong players that can win the ball in contact and defend well. Pull up Basson’s stats and you will see he is one of the worst defenders in the comp , heck without stats I think most people can see. Then Basson is hardly a big guy now is he ? Also what about Steyn ? He is a revolving door at flyhalf , Meyer says that Steyn’s defense is overlooked due to his accuracy. Heck , if you want accuracy pick Grant , he has been more accurate this season (I actually dont believe Grant is good enough , just using Meyer’s logic). Steyn has been dismal this season with his kicking , he blows hot and cold and this past weekend we saw again how he faltered when it mattered.
Meyer reckons some players need time to get use to the system , the youngsters should not be thrusted into the frontline. I agree but what about Etzebeth and Mercel ? Had Goosen been fit do you think he would have been picked ? Off course. So howcome Kollisi needs time to adjust but a guy like Marcel is ready ? Kollisi is actually a very matured , confident young man and on current form the best flanker in the SA comp , probably in the top 3 in the entire comp.
There is so many more things wrong with this squad , justify Jano Vermaak for me. etc etc.
Nope for the first time ever I will be boycotting the Boks.
PS – Every time I read how people are disgusted by the Cape Crusaders who support the ABS , well WTF to you want them to support ? The SA Bulls ? Meyer and Ian Mac picked whoever they thought was okay and then filled the gaps with players from everywhere else.
5 Jun 2012, 09:41 am
@sparticus(sparticus)-10:
good girl.
now take your tissues and fukkoff already.
5 Jun 2012, 09:41 am
wasn’t aware of this – anyone else?
From City Press
Celebrity rugby writer Mark Keohane resigned suddenly on Friday as spokesperson of South Africa’s Olympic team – hours after City Press confronted him with allegations of drug abuse and sexual harassment.
Some of Keohane’s former female employees have claimed that he sexually harassed them, suffered from “sad, gross cocaine addiction” and used prostitutes.
Over the past two years, several women have approached the Commission for Conciliation, Mediation and Arbitration (CCMA), claiming he dismissed them unfairly.
The allegations against him are now being spread among sports writers and written about on Twitter.
On Friday afternoon, three hours after City Press confronted him, Keohane replied, saying that he had informed Sascoc chief executive Tubby Reddy that he was resigning as spokesperson for the Olympic team and would no longer be going to the Olympic Games.
He has also resigned as publishing director of Cape Town-based Highbury Safika Media (HSM) with immediate effect.
Keohane was in charge of 30 magazines and the leading website keo.co.za, which is visited by 700 000 users from 220 countries each year.
He is also the writer of several books and was SAB’s sports journalist of the year.
Keohane told City Press in 2008 that there was an “agenda” against him and that he could not allow “disgruntled and malicious former employees, one of them who was retrenched, to undermine the credibility and integrity of either HSM or Sascoc”.
Female employees claimed that they were sexually harassed and were victims of his erratic behaviour allegedly brought about by drugs. Their allegations include:
» During the opening game of the Super 14 series in 2010 he sexually harassed an employee and allegedly tried to kiss her. Keohane said afterwards that he had only asked her for a date;
» He wrote off his car in November 2009 after he allegedly went on a two-day cocaine binge;
» He apparently tried to “change his ways” after the accident, but a month later he was back on cocaine;
» During the South African Breweries annual sports awards in Johannesburg in 2009, Keohane and several other sports writers snorted large amounts of cocaine before the function. Afterwards they hired three prostitutes for the night; and
» One woman said in a statement: “I realise that I have been like an abused woman. I have been put through hell and back by having to accept the blatant illegal use of drugs. I have had to sit back and allow my female staff to be sexually harassed, which breaks my heart and makes me ashamed as a boss.”
Another of Keohane’s former employees, who occupied a managerial position, said it was well known that he was often “totally off his face” as a result of his excessive cocaine use. She claims she had an emotional breakdown as a result of his erratic behaviour towards her.
5 Jun 2012, 09:41 am
The funny thing is that Meyer and the Bulls think we are stupid enough not to see how they planned the ‘purchases’ of the coaches beforehand. Earned a lot of money to buy new players. (Meyer probably got his cut as well)
Strange that neither the FS nor Stormers received anything for Rassie when the Boks pulled him into the ranks. Once again, well thought out strategies.
5 Jun 2012, 09:41 am
@sparticus(sparticus)-10:
Dry your eyes now.
It would have been pointless to pick a captain before Saturday. What if Jean was injured in the Loftus game?
The correct procedure was followed.
5 Jun 2012, 09:44 am
@Bouts(Bouts)-13:
You crybabies can give Michael Moore a run for his money when it comes to conspiracy theories.
So much paranoia.
5 Jun 2012, 09:44 am
@bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-8: two props. England is always a scrumming challenge so it will help if we had 2 props on the bench. Coenie and Werner.
5 Jun 2012, 09:46 am
@Bouts(Bouts)-13:
Rassie resigned from the stormers.
5 Jun 2012, 09:51 am
@the peanut gallery(peanut)-12:
The alleged sexual harassment part is no good but the charlie and hookers sound alright.
5 Jun 2012, 09:52 am
@Sasuke(Sasuke)-16:
My Head says the Poms will edge us at scrumtime. Dan Cole is a Real beast and he will trouble us.
The poms will look to get the edge at scrum as they always do.
5 Jun 2012, 09:52 am
Go bokke, let’s hope Meyer made the right selections. A lot of people confused by some selections, but let’s hope he knows what he is doing. This England squad won’t be as forgiving as other lesser squads that have toured SA.
5 Jun 2012, 09:53 am
we should still beat them out wide – my prediction – 10+ win
Go Blou!
5 Jun 2012, 09:55 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-15:
Its getting like that around here isn’t it, we had 4 years of PDV whining, you all get what you asked for in Meyer and the bickering actually gets worse, how does that work?
5 Jun 2012, 09:55 am
@sparticus(sparticus)-10:
He made a subtle statement! Let’s see what he can do with this squad. Can you imagine if Smit is right and the English win the first test!!! It is sure to kick up a Storm…
5 Jun 2012, 09:56 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-18: yeah, the wee man knows how to party.
5 Jun 2012, 09:58 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-22:
There’s a massive divide in this country.
It’s not the provincialism thing, it’s much stronger than that.
I actually cannot fully understand it, truth be told.
5 Jun 2012, 09:58 am
Rain predicted this weekend in Durbs. Strong wind as well.
Need to be strong up front in the tight stuff, kicking needs to be acurate and back 3 better have their A games with them.
5 Jun 2012, 09:59 am
@John Galt(John Galt)-26:
Oh dear! English weather…
5 Jun 2012, 10:00 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-14: Dry my eyes ? LOL , kinda ironic coming from you dont u think. What if Jean was injured ? Well he knew he was not by the time the squad was picked now did’nt he. What if Steyn was injured ? Why did he call his name or any of the other members ? Try again.
5 Jun 2012, 10:01 am
@the peanut gallery(peanut)-12: Yoh thats heavy! Nikita and other girlie watch out.
Did he really resign?
5 Jun 2012, 10:01 am
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-11: U first kind sir. Sticks and stones may break my bones but you remain a idiot
5 Jun 2012, 10:02 am
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-11:
5 Jun 2012, 10:02 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-25:
actually quite sad to read it about it for days on end I feel sorry for Meyer he’s got a tougher job than the AB coach
5 Jun 2012, 10:02 am
Go Boks…
True Bok supporters are behind you all the way…
Just Win… Thats all.
5 Jun 2012, 10:03 am
Meyer was perfectly correct naming his captain late. He is taking pressure off the captain and his team. Why subject the team and captain to foaming at the mouth abuse for weeks rather than a few days.
Good move Heineke.
Glad to see P DeVilliers roped in as the scrum coach. His French experience will add plenty I hope. The Bok scrum has been disapointing for years.
5 Jun 2012, 10:03 am
@sparticus(sparticus)-28:
What the heck are you on about?
The squad was announced about 10 minutes after the Bulls and Stormers players left the field.
The way it works is you offer the captaincy to a player, and wait to see if he accepts it.
So you’re saying Heyneke should have cornered the exchausted, sweaty De Villiers in the tunnel on the way to the changeroom straight after the game and asked him there and then to confirm quickly if he will accept the Bok captaincy, as the press conference is in a couple of minutes?
Don’t be daft, man.
5 Jun 2012, 10:04 am
@Sasuke(Sasuke)-29: don’t know. first i hear of it.
guess if it wasn’t true, he or one of his minions would have denied it by now.
5 Jun 2012, 10:04 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-22:
PdV wasnt a great coach but he ‘kept the peace’ to a large degree by picking tried and tested players and playing to a particular formula.
HM is applying his own formula here and certainly not in it to keep the peace. He wants to win and this is obviously how he thinks that will happen.
That is why there is such an outcry here.
Vindication will come from either side when the results start coming in.
5 Jun 2012, 10:05 am
@sparticus(sparticus)-30:
Listen mate. The Bulls are happy campers. They have their team and reserves in the Bok squad. They are better than the Stormers in every way. They have only lost five games, three on the trot and one at home in front of their Pink Supporters, not forgetting the home loss to the Blues. They deserve to have the majority of players in the Bok squad.
5 Jun 2012, 10:07 am
Today we get to know who the vice captain is. Good money on Britney I would say…
Any other options…
5 Jun 2012, 10:08 am
@John Galt(John Galt)-5: I would never have expected England to have a better back row then the Boks have, but if that’s it they will need one hell of a performance from Alberts, because Spies and Coetzee are going to get owned by Morgan and Robshaw.
5 Jun 2012, 10:08 am
John Smit said that England had a good chance for the first test due to the more settled nature of their squad. What is so unsupportive about that?
Again, read the English media and they are all predicting their team gets smashed. Just the kind of motivation the English could use. All pressure is on the Boks.
In fact watching the turgid uselessness of the Baby Boks yesterday would have done the Boks the world of good.
5 Jun 2012, 10:08 am
@John Galt(John Galt)-37:
Amen. We are tired of losing so a win will do just fine…
5 Jun 2012, 10:09 am
@sparticus(sparticus)-30:
honestly do you squat to pee?
because that’s what it sounds like.
tinkle tinkle.
5 Jun 2012, 10:09 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-35:
totally agree about scrum coach. Jannie is not a dominating tighthead. I would prefer BJ Botha and Heinkie as our props if we are to consistently dominate opposition scrums. But that is dreamwishing on my part.
5 Jun 2012, 10:11 am
Morning all. In case you wondered (in between frothing at the mouth and crying about provincialism), the average age of the starting XV in Post 5 above is 26, and with a total of 458 caps (average caps 31) is the most inexperienced Bok side since the 297 caps that started the test against the All Blacks in Wellington last July. Three debutants (Coetzee, Etsebeth, Kruger) but a healthy amoutn of experience among the rest imo. The bench will be interesting.
5 Jun 2012, 10:12 am
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-44:
If it is true that the weather is playing a big role, I would expect the English to dominate at scrum time. Having a kicking flyhalf will help in this type of weather though. Just hope we get enough ball…
5 Jun 2012, 10:13 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-35: Well then the planning of the announcement was flawed then surely ? Why is all the previous times the Captain was announced with the team ? You trying to tell me they erred in their timing ? Meyer does not strike me as a man making such mistakes.
5 Jun 2012, 10:13 am
HongKongSlong.
The English captain and his backrow friends are becoming an ever better unit.
Individually I think we more than match them, but how effective we will be is in the future.
England will miss Tom Crofts pace out wide and his excellent lineout play. I somehow think that Haskell will be chosen for his percieved power and aggro. They will want to dominate the Boks up front in their own way. Keeping the ball away from the Boks for long periods is what they will want to do. Talk in the English media is that the English scrum will be the focus of their attack.
They do not rate the Bok Scrumming unit.
5 Jun 2012, 10:14 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-33: U mean the Bulls and Sharks then ? They are the true “bok” supporters here ?
5 Jun 2012, 10:14 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-35:
Hey, I thought you said the players already knew beforehand they were going to be picked for Boks as that was your EXCUSE as to why they underperformed.
If Meyer could stalk Fourie Du Preez for weeks after another BULL Matfield declined to take the captaincy before the weekend then surely he could’ve communicated to Jean that he was next in line to captain, somehow, somewhere.
5 Jun 2012, 10:15 am
@sparticus(sparticus)-47:
Sigh.
Because the last S15 game had to be completed before the team could be announced.
5 Jun 2012, 10:15 am
Absolutely correct. Why should HM pick a team to please the majority and to keep the peace? He clearly has a game plan (unlike Pdiv) and picked players to suit the game plan.
Explain to me how De Jongh can be considered backup for De VIlliers and Frans Steyn, our likely 12 and 13? Forget about De Jongh’s abilities and form, the question is, should one of our first choice centres become injured, who would slot into the pattern easily? De Jongh or Olivier?
5 Jun 2012, 10:15 am
if werner kruger comes on at any stage our scrum is going to turbo reverse.
5 Jun 2012, 10:15 am
PDV made far superior selections.
5 Jun 2012, 10:16 am
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-38:
5 Jun 2012, 10:16 am
Greatest 13 Gerber.
With all respect, Heinke and BJ have always been useless at international level. In fact BJ was gemoer in the scrums last they were down here.
Both offer absolutely nothing in the loose either.
5 Jun 2012, 10:16 am
Unleash the Doedpoes.
I hope he is putting in the work with pieter de villiers.
I would like to seem take over from Jannie du Pap at 3.
5 Jun 2012, 10:16 am
@BullDog15(BullDog15)-52: Kick and chase, not exactly a gameplan that works.
5 Jun 2012, 10:17 am
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-50:
Tac forgets what he says! Most of us do!
5 Jun 2012, 10:17 am
@hensopper1(hensopper1)-48: Your knowledge of the English players is very helpful – instead of thumbsucking a number that we will win by, we should all be studying the opposition instead. Disrespect these Poms at your peril chaps. Heyneke and the Boks certainly will not be doing so.
5 Jun 2012, 10:17 am
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-46:
My only hope is that all of this has been a big smokescreen by Meyer and we’ll see a Bok with a bit more guile & smarts this time around.
Or will it just be bash it up Frans & Jean, forwards form a line at the ruck like sort of tunnel thing where the scrumhalf eventually retrieves it after 2 minutes only to kick it high and deep with wings chasing it down for all their worth.
5 Jun 2012, 10:17 am
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-50:
Fourie was going to be captain until mid last week, when he withdrew.
Meyer said from the start injuries would dicate his chioce of captain.
Hence, until Jean was confirmed as fit and ready after the Loftus game, what would be the point of announcing him as captain?
5 Jun 2012, 10:18 am
@hensopper1(hensopper1)-56: I agree, BJ never made the stepup. Did Heinke get enough of a chance?
5 Jun 2012, 10:18 am
Same old tossers still on here I see.
I finally gain the energy to get back here and the first thing I read is that my ol buddy Zane is a sure in for fullback… once again I am losing the will to carry on living
5 Jun 2012, 10:18 am
@sparticus(sparticus)-47: Because in recent memory there was always a clear front runner. Francois Pienaar, Gary Teichman, John Smit, etc.
Unfortunately the front runners this time around are injured / semi-retired (read: playing in Japan), or contemplating unretiring (new word; P.A.F.).
5 Jun 2012, 10:19 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-51: Sigh , you really trying hard hey , why not announce the squad later then ? Like say in ALL the previous times of Bok announcements. Why 15 minutes after the final whistle which does not give you enough time to speak to your captain ?
Now continue acting dumb , it suits you actually.
5 Jun 2012, 10:19 am
Boks by 14.
Beast, Hougaard and Habana to score tries.
Haskel to get roughed up by Bissy and Etsebeth, and then also sent off.
Morne to kick 6 from 6.
286 Stormer supporters here on keo to “give Heyneke the benefit of the doubt”.
5 Jun 2012, 10:19 am
@garth(garth)-58: Works fine for Stormers, yeah?
5 Jun 2012, 10:20 am
@Bod(bod)-64:
how is the apple season going?
5 Jun 2012, 10:20 am
@SteveWarren(SteveWarren)-53: With respect, have you ever actually watched the work Werner Kruger gets through? Also with respect, did you ever scrum at 3 in your life?
5 Jun 2012, 10:21 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-62:
If Meyer knew since mid last week that Jean was going to be captain he could’ve told him so but only confirm with the public if he wasn’t injured.
Instead he fooled us again with his talk of discussing the captaincy with the seniors before the announcement as his plan to make Spies captain fell flat when the Bulls got shown up.
5 Jun 2012, 10:21 am
@garth(garth)-58: What are you so sure there will be a kick and chase game plan? Only one team ever played that game plan and that was the Boks under Pdiv for two seasons (1 successful; 1 a failure). And if you are hinting at the Bulls having a kick and chase game plan you need to subscribe to DSTV and watch some games.
5 Jun 2012, 10:21 am
@sparticus(sparticus)-66:
It really is pointless arguing with someone this thick.
The squad had to leave for Durban on Sunday. The announcement for straight after the Loftus game had been planned months in advance.
I don’t understand this issue of yours.
But that you have an issue is clear. Maybe someone else can help you out.
5 Jun 2012, 10:21 am
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-69: A bit of a slog at the moment as I had a very hard and tiring grape harvest
5 Jun 2012, 10:21 am
@Bod(bod)-64: Boderick, you sound down. But I guess such is the topsy turvy life of a casual farm hand. Hang in there.
5 Jun 2012, 10:22 am
****? My comment awaiting moderation? I’ll post something worth moderating next time.
5 Jun 2012, 10:23 am
Why this conspiracy nonsense about DeVilliers?
Move on, Meyer chose him to captain the Boks. He is the captain.
Can we talk about actual ‘stuff’ please?
True about the level of experience Greybeard.
England were where we are now a good few months ago.
They will be desperate to beat us in the first test. I am sure the Bok players and management are not as naive.
5 Jun 2012, 10:23 am
This is how the team trained yesterday:
Kirchner
JP Pietersen
JDV
Frans Steyn
Habs
Morne
Hougie
Spies
Alberts
Coetzee
Kruger
Estebeth
Jannie
Bissie
Beast
5 Jun 2012, 10:24 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-68: That’s S15. It’s a different game. when last have you seen kick and chase be successful at international level against quality opposition?
5 Jun 2012, 10:24 am
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-71:
De Villiers was one of the candidates. Maybe the strongest candidate. But maybe Meyer really did only decide on him on Sunday.
What’s the problem with that, if so?
5 Jun 2012, 10:24 am
I bet we going to see that c r a p little line behind the ruck that supposedly gives the scrummie more time for a box kick. Why not just pass the ball to your flyhalf which is at least three times further away than that little ruck abomination.
5 Jun 2012, 10:25 am
@Bod(bod)-73:
I’m sorry to hear that lycraman.
I’m sure the hanepoot stock options made it worthwhile.
Will you being heading towards Iberia for the orange season?
5 Jun 2012, 10:25 am
@BullDog15(BullDog15)-77: Great team. Kirchner wouldn’t have been my 15, but that’s still too much for the Poms.
5 Jun 2012, 10:25 am
@garth(garth)-54:
of course he did, he just picked who jake did before him,ne?
5 Jun 2012, 10:25 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-35: I suppose that puts to bed your theory that the Bulls were off their game due to the fact that they had the Boks game in mind ?
5 Jun 2012, 10:25 am
@Bod(bod)-64:
Ja! Pink is hip mate. When things are going their way they are here in numbers…
It diverts from Saturday’s realy rugby…
5 Jun 2012, 10:26 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-74: I can take anything in life… calluses on my hands, sweat pouring off my overalls, my pittance of a wage….. anything….. just not Zane Kirshner.
Table Mountain here I come….
5 Jun 2012, 10:27 am
KATMAN.
Nothing would draw greater admiration and respect from these Boks if they rough tough guy James Haskell up.
You know the oke who was accused of verbal sexual harrassment of a hotel cleaner in New Zealand?
The same oke who assaulted Justin Downey? He has a moermy aseblief gesig bar none.
Bets??
5 Jun 2012, 10:27 am
@sparticus(sparticus)-84:
Imagine if AC was coach and chose the Stormers team and reserves. Say no more…. I would personally have bliksemed him, but that is me. Some think it is endearing…
5 Jun 2012, 10:27 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-79: Tacitus you really are f*a*r*t*ing agaionst thunder here – these fellows want to believe in a Bulls conspiracy so they will – dont even answer them anymore – come Sunday morning they will all hopefully be singing from a different hymn sheet. Rather give us your thoughts on the composition of the bench – that interests me.
5 Jun 2012, 10:27 am
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-71: Dude, you are blowing a dead goat.
HM wanted to avoid the John SMit fiasco f the last 8 years, where the captain was chosen in spit of form. HM wants the cpatain to be chosen on form, not just leadership skills.
JDV is the best centre in SA that is available, his great captancy has brought a depleted Stormers side through victories that many thought would not come. He deserved the job and so HM saw this and made the decision. He is not trying to please anyone, he does not care about anything besides winning.
Don’t make up **** or contrive controversy, it makes you look stupid.
Also I am a stormers supporter.
5 Jun 2012, 10:28 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-82:
I agree, pretty good side, Kirchener is there because Lambie covers a multitude of positions from the bench.
5 Jun 2012, 10:28 am
Fk sakes you Stormers can moan.
Had AC managed his players properly this would have been the Bok side this weekend.
1 Beast
2 Bissie
3 jannie
4 Eben
5 Bekker
6 Marcel
7 Alberts
8 Duanne
9 Hougi
10 Morne
11 habana
12 F Steyn
13 JdV c
14 JP
15 Kirchener
So thats 5 Stormers. 3 Bulls. 7 Sharks. And a Stormer as captain.
Couple of questionable reserves who will only end up holding tackle bags.
So dry your fking eyes the lot of you.
5 Jun 2012, 10:29 am
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-81: Si…. el dinero con los narangas es mucho, mucho mas de aqui…
No Hanepoort…. my refined taste buds are only tuned to Mistella nowadays
5 Jun 2012, 10:29 am
He is what the English regard as ‘WELL HARD’
5 Jun 2012, 10:29 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-83: As for all the criticism on the selection, we are still able to put a really good team on the park. Agree with you; I’d have gone for Lambie. However, interesting stats:
Zane Kirchner
2nd on list for most try assists (8)
10th most line breaks (4)
3rd most turnovers (29)
I didn’t see that coming; I’m kinda speachless, really…
5 Jun 2012, 10:29 am
@sparticus(sparticus)-84:
Explain to me what your issue is with De Villiers’s selection as captain.
Meyer wanted Vic. Then the IRB prevented that.
Then Meyer wanted Du Preez, and du Preez declined.
So no, De Villiers wasn’t Meyers first choice. But in the end he settled on him. When precisely he came to that decision, only he will know.
What exactly are you miffed about?
5 Jun 2012, 10:29 am
@garth(garth)-78:
it’s a different game?
do you look as dom as you sound?
5 Jun 2012, 10:29 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-72: There you go , have a personal swipe at me, Takes the focus off everything. Every sentence you utter contradicts a previous statement. Meyer is well planned and will pick the best you say. Well he cannot name his captain with his squad filled with Bulls players , some not even first choice , some injured and some new to their positions and uncapped, but nope Meyer will be fair.
The bulls were off probably due to the fact that they knew they were part of teh bok squad you said. But Jean probably was not informed before hand , I mean he is only the captain. Continue with your spin stories. Next you will try and say that JJ is better than Juan……wait a min…..
5 Jun 2012, 10:29 am
@SteveWarren(SteveWarren)-80: It’s called the huamn centipede.
5 Jun 2012, 10:30 am
Heinkie vd Merwe does have a loose game but its his destructive scrummaging that is advantage. Most consistent dominating loosehead we have playing today.
My head tells me the Beast will struggle to contain Dan Cole. Jannie is a weakness at 3. I await the first scrum with much eagerness.
5 Jun 2012, 10:30 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-82: It is a strong team katman, and although likely to be a little underdone on Saturday, still strong enough to beat England if they play well imo.
5 Jun 2012, 10:31 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-83: You mean he picked the players that had just won the RWC. Wow.
5 Jun 2012, 10:31 am
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-85: I missed the comments after Saturdays game….. should have been a hoot!
I wonder if anyone noticed that headless chicken running around in the No 15 pink jumper??
5 Jun 2012, 10:31 am
True Greybeard, As much as we all love getting a dig in to any Bulls supporter, poor old tacitus is having to deal with the lunatic fringe here. What a waste of energy!
5 Jun 2012, 10:32 am
daar is altyd mense wat ongelukkig is oor n bokspan, dis nou tyd om saam te staan en h.ulle te ondersteun soos dit nou lyk. gaan daar: 22 suid afrikaners teen die engelse speel .
nie 5 Bulle, 3 stormers, 7 Sharks,nie. wie gee om wie in die bokspan is solank ons die britte se gat skop. Die manne op die Site K@K en kerm oor dinge wat hulle geen beheer oor het nie. GO BOKKE
5 Jun 2012, 10:32 am
Sparticus
I think the squad was picked well in advance.
The captain, though, was approached by Meyer on Sunday, once the squad had assembled.
What don’t you understand about that?
5 Jun 2012, 10:32 am
@Bod(bod)-86: Jeez, Bodster, for a moment there I thought you were describing the opening scenes of your first foray into adult TV acting.
5 Jun 2012, 10:32 am
@BreakdownBoy(goodstuff)-90:
Nowhere did I say JdV doesn’t deserve it.
What I’m saying is if it took a IRB law to keep Matfield away, a Japan based Du Preez to decline to captaincy before Meyer eventually decided Jean was his man, a guy who was more than willing to do the job from the get go then surely we should question Heyneke’s decision making and planning if he couldn’t see the right short term leader while the guy was right here, week in week out?
5 Jun 2012, 10:32 am
If you were going to war you would choose your allies right! You won’t choose your arch enemies (Stormers). It is not the starting team that is a problem. It is the statement he made by choosing players that everyone knew would never be considered that is causing the storm. Maybe it is Erasumus who has gripes? But storms blow over eventually…
5 Jun 2012, 10:34 am
@Bod(bod)-103: At least she was noticed. Basson and Spies must have gone underground cause fcked if I could see the anywhere.
5 Jun 2012, 10:34 am
@BullDog15(BullDog15)-96: Lambie doesn’t feature in those lists. And here I was all along thinking Lambie is a much more exciting player…better take my pills again.
5 Jun 2012, 10:34 am
Greatest 13 Gerber.
Points taken.
The scrums are important on saturday for sure.
Let’s see.
5 Jun 2012, 10:34 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-106:
Meyer is short sighted.
He had to court Matfield and Du Preez for weeks while all the time he had the right guy for the job slogging it out here in SA with a huge desire to still play for his country.
5 Jun 2012, 10:35 am
@Bod(bod)-103:
Yeah I did! I was at the game and made time to come on afterwards. Win or lose…
You could hear a pin drop when Habanna went over to score. The looks on the faces were priceless…
I think we have done the Sharks a huge favour… They could sneak in and I will give them a win at home against the Pink dolls…
5 Jun 2012, 10:35 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-96: De Viliiers is only captain to please the folks down in the Western Cape. How can Meyer be Bulls Bias if his captain is from the Stormers ?
The question again is why wait for the announcement of Captain ? We all knew Matfield was a choice a long time ago , then Matfield was not eligible and then FDP was the choice , we all knew that as well , then FDP pulled out so howcome Meyer did not communicate the Jean that he is next in line , I am sure Meyer knew all along who his next choice would be ?
5 Jun 2012, 10:36 am
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-109:
Amongst the forwards you guys seem to have a problem with the fact that Meyer doesn’t rate the Stormers second choice loose trio as better than the first choice loose forwards of the Sharks and Bulls.
Amongst the backs you seem to have a problem with the fact that Meyer doesn’t rate small centres and fullbacks.
5 Jun 2012, 10:36 am
@vasteses(vasteses)-105:
Ondersteuners kan hul stemme laat tel.
Net omdat jy gelukkig is met die k@k beteken nie ek gaan jou soos a skaap volg en Amen n ja baas nie.
5 Jun 2012, 10:36 am
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-50:
Please dont use Logic in your argument , it will infuriate the likes of tact and co.
5 Jun 2012, 10:36 am
@vasteses(vasteses)-105: Well said mate!
5 Jun 2012, 10:37 am
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-113:
Listen mate the pain not to make Britney captain almost killed him. It is like playing rugby with your son and not choosing him in your team even though there are better. HM had to do what he had to do…
5 Jun 2012, 10:37 am
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-108:
jean was nie sy eerste keuse, maar hy is nou, HM is n goeie afrigter wat weet wat hy wil he, as andries skalk en duane nie beseer was nie sou hulle in die apn gewees het sou julle dan beter gevoel het, watter ander stormers behalwe, jdj en aplon kon die span maak.
5 Jun 2012, 10:37 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-107: Quit thta stuff along time ago after receiving numerous threats from Mark Whalberg and his lawyers. I was making him look stupid apparently…
5 Jun 2012, 10:37 am
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-113: He is the coach, so he is the guy who must make the plans. And when Plan A doesn’t materialise, he is the man who must make Plan B or C. Which he did quite well, given the tight deadlines here. Not really sure what the problem is.
5 Jun 2012, 10:38 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-116: Actually I rate Marcel Coetzee highly , think along with Kollisi he is the form flank. Kanko and Potgieter though is another story. Both were injured and in Potgieter case still is ? I could be wrong though.
Coming back to Kanko , even when fit he is at best a good Super rugby player.
5 Jun 2012, 10:39 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-116: Your statement about the loose trio is 100% accurate. The Stormers leftovers are better than those from the Sharks and Bulls.
5 Jun 2012, 10:39 am
@Bod(bod)-122: Ja, I heard you were fluffing for Wahlberg at one stage. And I agree, your jelly and feather boa routine was making him look a little stupid. I can see why he let you go.
5 Jun 2012, 10:39 am
@sparticus(sparticus)-124:
But here’s the thing.
Meyer apparently rates Kanko.
So there you have it.
5 Jun 2012, 10:39 am
@sparticus(sparticus)-118: Ok sparticus we are all bored with this now – nail your colours to that mast for all to see bud! Who are you shouting for on Saturday evening – Boks or Poms?
5 Jun 2012, 10:40 am
Third straight day, same old arguments.
5 Jun 2012, 10:40 am
@vasteses(vasteses)-105: Well said.
5 Jun 2012, 10:40 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-116:
Brains always wins over brawn! That is a fact. Size matters and what has it helped the boks over the past four years? Flokall… We have become a bunch of losers happy to win the odd game and then say we have improved where we lost… Nothing has changed until we change the way our players are being coached. The Baby Boks played the style of rugby we have played for many years…
5 Jun 2012, 10:40 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-107:
el bodo is quite the home movie buff.
he is chairman of the Edgemead Doggers.
5 Jun 2012, 10:41 am
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-117:
die meeste Strmrs op die site is moerig omdat daar so baie bulle is ek verstaan dit dit gaan maar oor die jare lange haat tusen die twee unies, ek se ook nie jy moet ja en amen nie, ek dink net ons moet nou saam met die bokke staan wie ookal gekies is.
5 Jun 2012, 10:41 am
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-131:
But here’s the thing:
Meyer rates big players.
So there you have it.
5 Jun 2012, 10:41 am
I find it quite interesting that some people think that players will transform from being mediocre, one-dimensional and braindead into rugby superstars just because they play under a new coach. And that in the space of a week!!!
What does HM possess that will make Spies become more physical, the Steyns more creative, Habana hold onto a ball, Kirchner actually counter attack and Hougaard clean the ruks faster? People who think that we will play any other game plan than forwards in pods attacking the advantage line, Hougaard and Steyn kicking the ball all day long and centres having to clean out rucks is totally delusional.
Hence the selections, my dear friends. No place for players with individual brilliance. HM believes in the game plan and the success of the team will be measured against how well they can stick to the game plan; not the individuals’ moments of brilliance. Get used to it.
5 Jun 2012, 10:41 am
@vasteses(vasteses)-121: It’s not about the injured WP that are not there, it’s about the pathetic players that have been selected.
5 Jun 2012, 10:41 am
@greybeard(greybeard)-128: Option three is to join gwantie in the colours of Namibia. It’s the rugby version of a hunger strike.
5 Jun 2012, 10:41 am
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-114: Did someone make the obvious and logical statement that its about time they actually stopped this churlish and stupid fascination of pink, returned to blue and started concentrating on their rugby again.
Thereafter, they might just be able to sneak it against the Lions
5 Jun 2012, 10:43 am
@SteveWarren(SteveWarren)-80: The treintjie. I nearly wept when I saw the Baby Boks do it last night as well…..
5 Jun 2012, 10:43 am
I actually don’t see what the issue is with HM only picking three stormers.If you ask me he has done them a favour. Allows the squad to get fully rested and repaired before the few warm up games ahead of the S15 playoffs
5 Jun 2012, 10:43 am
@garth(garth)-137:
hoekom is hulle pateties om dat hulle bulle is?
5 Jun 2012, 10:44 am
@vasteses(vasteses)-121:
Nee, wat my beter sou laat voel het in die eerste plek is as JJ & Wynand nie daar was nie & Aplon & Juan wel. Asook vuurvreter flank Kolisi in die ewe talentvolle maar beseerde Potgieter wat vir ‘n maand geen rugby gesien het nie.
As Potgieter ‘n gesoute Bok was soos Juan Smit of S. Burger sou ek geen probleem gevind met die besluit nie.
Maar albei Kolisi en Potgieter is ewe nat agter die ore en ewe talentvol maar ek het klaar my rede gegee oor hoe ek voel soos ek voel.
5 Jun 2012, 10:44 am
@greybeard(greybeard)-129:
he’s going with the poms.
although he’ll be wearing yellow,
5 Jun 2012, 10:45 am
@garth(garth)-111: Personally I thought this new superhero JJ whateverhisnameis was the match standout…
Made Kolisi look like a dwarf…
5 Jun 2012, 10:46 am
Will Meyer still be coach when the Boks lose 3 zip and the Stormers win the Super 15?
5 Jun 2012, 10:47 am
ek dink die stormers wat daat moet wees is beseer en die wat daar is moenie daar wees nie behalwe Etsebet maar ek sal hulle support.
5 Jun 2012, 10:47 am
@greybeard(greybeard)-89: simply explain how JJ and lets say Jano Vermaak makes the team ? In my opinion they should not even be in the reserve squad. I believe Chad Mcloud and Juan deserves to be there, I base my selection of the fact that they both form players , both solid defenders and Juan have a great attacking step. Chad fast around the fringes , good pass and box kick. Both are experience as well which seems to what Meyer wants for the first test and both are boks. Juan can play 12 and 13 as well with ease.
5 Jun 2012, 10:47 am
@garth(garth)-103:
ja….and he just kept picking them non-stop and fcked it right up in 2008 didn’t he? Just a year after winning in 2007.
if memory serves me correctly.
there were only 3 changes to our side in 2011 to the one in 2007.
brussow
morne
lambie
and you could argue that at least 2 of those where injury induced (jean smith,jean devilliers)
so, yeah, wow……talk about copy-and-pasting a teamsheet.
5 Jun 2012, 10:47 am
@Bod(bod)-139:
Rugby Talk Bulls are pissed off with the Pink! I think the Real Bulls supporters moved over there. Those here love the pink and then point fingers at other teams being girly…They say which team can be taken seriously if they wear pink… I must say Britney and Meisiekind look good in pink, but Greyling – well that is another story. You can see the peed look in his eyes…
5 Jun 2012, 10:47 am
@Bod(bod)-145:
You know what you say about dynamite and small packages.
5 Jun 2012, 10:47 am
@vasteses(vasteses)-106:
Een regstelling; 15 Suid Afrikaners teen omtrent 10 Engelse, 2 NZ’ers, ‘n Somoaan en 2 hans kakies.
5 Jun 2012, 10:48 am
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-151:
*they
5 Jun 2012, 10:48 am
To be honest the only combonations that migth be a problem is at lock (have not played together) and the loose forwards (have too many injuries/ also best no 6 was excluded from team (Brussouw)) The rest of the team know each other and have won against northern opposition in the North.
I believe if they can stick together and form a good team spirit then we could see a good game from the HM boks. But I think the best players will be the three youngster (Etzebeth/ Coetzee and J Kruger).
5 Jun 2012, 10:48 am
i know this will get taken the wrong way by those who wish to always take things the wrong way… but i mean it sincerely and with the best of intentions…
heyneke should hire a media advisor to assist him with how best to put his message and announcements out to the public… don’t need to go into detail the debate and uncertainty created by his announcements should be evidence enough…
but in general he does seem to be contradicting himself on occasion and/or sending mixed messages…
i still do support the man and want him to be the most successful coach in south african history… and want him to klap the ABs and everyone else 6 love 6 love goodnight nurse over and out the end… even if he selects an all blue bull team… just as long as he wins and keeps winning…
but he does seem to be struggling to communicate his intentions effectively… and a little help in this regard would go a long way…
and as a public official it is not up to rugby fans to understand him… it is incumbent upon him to make himself understood to the public…
5 Jun 2012, 10:49 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-128: Well then Meyer also stated that he will pick form players and by that statement you made of Meyer rating Kanko it seems as if Kanko was picked on reputation ?
5 Jun 2012, 10:49 am
It will be interesting to see, from a man-management perspective how much guys like Spies and Flip, who have never looked that good in a Bok jersey, will perform under a man they trust and who his known for his ability to motivate.
5 Jun 2012, 10:49 am
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-150:
maybe you should join your buddies over there.
@Bod(bod)-145:
lolapalooza.
you were fiddling in your lycra over him when he was playing for province last year.
5 Jun 2012, 10:49 am
@vasteses(vasteses)-142: Hulle is pateties want hulle het nie genoeg vaardigheid nie.
5 Jun 2012, 10:50 am
The days of Juan de Jong type Bok centres are over for the foreseeable future. Meyer will always favour the Jacque Fourie 100kg midfielders.
That’s his gameplan. And if he wins matches with it, who cares how good the players are that got left out?
5 Jun 2012, 10:50 am
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-150: I like them wearing pink, they lose in pink.
5 Jun 2012, 10:51 am
@ufo(ufo)-155:
Point taken. It is quite refreshing to have a Bok coach whose utterances we can understand to the point where we can identify contradictions. With Divvie you never knew what he said so it was impossible to know if he ever contradicted himself
5 Jun 2012, 10:52 am
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-158:
Naa I like you better!!!
5 Jun 2012, 10:52 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-160: We dont have many 100kg midfielders with the skills of Jacque Fourie
5 Jun 2012, 10:53 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-160: There’s been ample examples that size can be overcome. ask oom Dawie.
5 Jun 2012, 10:53 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-160:
Good on him.
What if he loses?
Here I thought becoming a Bok was open to everyone as long as you were good enough, not big enough.
5 Jun 2012, 10:53 am
@Couchcoach(GI POT)-162:
hehehe…
point taken…!
5 Jun 2012, 10:54 am
@Drewster(Drewster)-161:
Me too!!! But I have to rub it in…
Which rugby team can be taken seriously wearing pink…
5 Jun 2012, 10:54 am
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-150: No… its ok for the team to be in pink….. its their supporters that are the ridiculous ones.
50000 man-boobed, hippo gutted, ajay short wearing, knock kneed apparitions is not easy on the eyes…
Its been good again… outta here
5 Jun 2012, 10:54 am
I just hope that HM’s game plan and selections are knee jerk reactions to him not having enough time to prepare and select a team for the England series. If he is the rugby thinker that everyone reports him to be, then he has to realize that the kick and chase game is going to play into the hands of the Aussies and AB’s in the rugby championship. It may work against the Argies, but even they may surprise him.
5 Jun 2012, 10:54 am
@greybeard(greybeard)-129: I will not be watching or supporting anyone. Will I be sad if the Boks lose , probably , emotions beat brains on any day and no-one like to see their Country lose. I have been a Bok supporter since forever. I went to every Newlands test almost , the highlight being the 95 opening game and about 3 years ago against the ABS which even though we lost on that day I stood next to a Huge afrikaaner singing nksosi sikele with our arms around each other and tears of pride in our eyes. One of my highlights ever.
But sadly I cannot go on , the argurements I have , the defending of the selections I cannot do. I don’t believe it myself anymore.
So I shall be watching schools rugby in the Western Cape.
5 Jun 2012, 10:55 am
Drerwster
That’s why De Villiers has to stand in for him at 13. But ebgelbrecht is a big strong player, who Meyer no doubt believes can fill that void in the long run. Remembering that Jacque Fourie was a retreaded fullback before he became a star 13 at test level.
5 Jun 2012, 10:55 am
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-168: My sentiments exactly
5 Jun 2012, 10:56 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-160: What a wonderful message our ‘coach’ is sending out to the entire SA player base (especially the youngsters) – ROID UP OR SHIP OUT.
5 Jun 2012, 10:56 am
@Couchcoach(GI POT)-136:
i’d say apoln is hard done by missing out but not dejong.
he’s as one dymensional as trevor halstad ever was. Olivier was the only center that looked to step,straighten and pass this past weekend.
In fact, the only reason the stormers scored is because dejong didn’t touch the ball and it fell to kolisi. Kolisi will be a bok this year so everyone should stop panicking.
to quickly the stormers forget that they got only 30% territory and possession. That’s a stat that’ll win you the odd game but not the championship. but enjoy anyway just don’t spend too much time wondering when the **** starts happening.
5 Jun 2012, 10:57 am
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-143:
JDJ kan verdedig dit gee ek toe, maar wat maak hom n meer kreatiewe speler as JJ. Ek stem saam Aplon is ongelukkig en ek hou ook nie van Krishner nie ek dink dis n fout om hom te speel maar ons het nie goeie heelgaters in SA op die oomblik nie niemand staan uit nie. ons het ook nie goeie senters nie niemand staan uit nie. Jean is daar omdat hy ondervinding het en ek glo n goeie kaptein sal maak maar hy het ook nie die wereld aan die brand gespeel nie. Julle driee rekord bewys dit, as julle julle aanval kan uitsort sal julle die S15 wen maar huidiglik sien ek dit nie gebeur nie.
5 Jun 2012, 10:57 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-160: So what about the hundreds of thousands of young De Jong’s out there in the plattelande or townships ? What message is this to them ?
what message is this to the U21′s ?
5 Jun 2012, 10:58 am
@sparticus(sparticus)-171:
enjoy
5 Jun 2012, 10:58 am
The Sharks should insist on them playing in Pink! They should change their gear to light blue… A guarentteed win I say…
5 Jun 2012, 10:58 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-172: A little too soon for JJ, dont you think. Needs a full season in a position to see if he actually has the aptitude. Was a wing for WP
5 Jun 2012, 10:59 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-174:
Yeah, I predict a deluge of talented players leaving our shores. Alternatively they could all gun for Bulls contracts and thus ensure selection
5 Jun 2012, 11:00 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-172:
Jacque Fourie was a protege who at 19 was already showing signs he would be an awesome Springbok.
Comparing him to JJ who’s been a bit part player this year is ridiculous.
5 Jun 2012, 11:00 am
@sparticus(sparticus)-177:
Yeah a sad comment indeed. I don’t think Tac meant it though. He tends to say things he never means… He has a heart of pink I tell you… Nothing will change that…
5 Jun 2012, 11:00 am
Was it not HM who had a mouthful to say about Jake not selecting Ettienne Botha because he was reportedly to small for Bok rugby?
5 Jun 2012, 11:00 am
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-179: I think even HG would agree to that for a guaranteed win
5 Jun 2012, 11:01 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-175: Then in the same breath the Bulls had 70% possession and could not score. What does that say of the their backline ? The same backline who if I think about it is picked for the Bok squad.
5 Jun 2012, 11:02 am
I really don’t mind JJ selection. If HM sees a certain quality bin him then that’s great. But WTF is WO doing there? Zane, oh my fck. Why would anyone pick him?
5 Jun 2012, 11:02 am
@ufo(ufo)-155:
look, you’ve been reading this blog for long enough. How do you know that meyer is communicating incorrectly?
this website is notorius for cherry-picking sentences from coaches out of context.
Hell, Vrede swore blind last week that fourie dupreez would be captain……”speaking to sources”.
everything with a healthy handful of salt on this website
5 Jun 2012, 11:03 am
@Couchcoach(GI POT)-184:
Wasn’t he also the person who said he would never coach the Boks, after losing out to PdV? I may be wrong and don’t want to open a can of whoppas now…
5 Jun 2012, 11:03 am
@vasteses(vasteses)-176:
Ek was een was Jean en Habana se grootse kritici die jaar maar beide van hulle het hul spelpeil gelug so nou is my mond toe vir eers.
Stem saam dat die driëe nie vir die Stormers vloei nie maar dis so obvious soos daglig dat De Jongh op hierdie stadium a beter opsie as JJ & Wynand is aangesien hy al op Toets vlak gespeel en presteer het.
5 Jun 2012, 11:04 am
@Couchcoach(GI POT)-170:
ons weet nie hoe die bokke gaan speel nie alles is nou net spekulasie, dat ons wel hulle onderdruk gaan sit met goed geplaaste skoppe is verseker
5 Jun 2012, 11:04 am
I still don’t understand the public vitriol.
The majority of Bok supporters were relieved when Heyneke took the job. Now it sounds like it’s the worst thing since Rudolf got the role.
He said that the priority of the English series was to win. Nothing more. No matter how.
He’s picked a team to do just that. Beat the English. It won’t be pretty. We’re highly unlikely to cut their defense to ribbons. Strong set pieces, Steyn kicking for territory (yawn), and then putting over penalties and drop goals. If we win each test by 3 points, Heyneke will be happy.
He also said that a captain will be appointed for the 3 English tests and thereafter he will look for a long term captain. He’s done just that.
Stormers supporters are up in arms, why? Schalk, Vermeulen and Bekker would have been in the squad (likely in the place of Potgieter, Kanko and van der Merwe) and all of them probably would have been in the 22 had they not been injured.
Juan de Jongh has hardly set the competition alight this year, although that might have more to do with the sterility of the Stormers backline than his own performance. Neither him nor JJ were going to make the starting XV for this series and would only have a chance on the bench if Heyneke went with a 4-3 split. Given the likely game plan that they will implement for this series, a 5 – 2 split seems the more probable one.
Gio Aplon is the only really unlucky one in my eyes. But given Heyneke’s preference for size, especially for this tour, he was always up against it.
Yes, Peter Grant is playing some of the best rugby of his career, but once again, let’s look at the likely, low risk game plan that’s likely to be implemented. Up and unders, tactical kicks for territory (yawn). Hate to admit it, but Morne Steyn does that sort of thing better. Also, at 27 and with Johan Goosen waiting in the wings, does it make sense to bring in Peter Grant for 3 tests, ask him to play a game that is not natural for him, only to drop him again in favour of that freakishly talented kid from the Cheetahs?
As for Siya Kolisi, he has been very impressive. But I’m in favour of allowing him the luxury of the Super rugby tournament, and a solid Currie Cup before the End of Year Tour. Let him develop at his own high pace, identify short comings in his own game, then blood him against relatively weaker nations like the Scottish or Irish.
Bottom line is this. Yes, I am a little surprised and even annoyed by some selections. But I’m waiting for the Rugby Championship and End of Year Tour before I start throwing my toys regarding selection.
View the squad and captain as the squad and captain for this series only. It’s likely to change significantly once injured players return.
5 Jun 2012, 11:04 am
@BullDog15(BullDog15)-96:
Zanes 29 turnovers stat refers to how many times he has lost the ball, third worst in all of Super rugby
5 Jun 2012, 11:04 am
@sparticus(sparticus)-186:
They were too big to get through the small gaps…
5 Jun 2012, 11:05 am
At least Kolisi is in the wider Bok group. Prefer him to Coetzee but that’s a coach’s pick.
JdJ has been exposed to a Meyer-like plan beforehand with the Stormers and with the Boks, so he has a decent enough familiarity – a far superior player to Timotei.
JJ is a promising player – I doubt most would have had a problem with him being there if JdJ had been picked instead of Timotei who is useless at test level.
As for the potential run-on team, I like it.
5 Jun 2012, 11:05 am
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-182: U should know by now that only players wearing blue…..I mean pink are deemed future stars good enough for the boks. Remember Hurdles way back.
Interesting enough he said JJ has the potential to become great. I actually agree with him , said last year that we will miss JJ more than Sadie. The thing is , is the Bok team the place for that development ? JJ hardly played centre ? Meyer said he wants to win everygame and will pick the strongest team for the games.
I reckon JJ needs to complete the season at 13 before we can judge him to be honest.
5 Jun 2012, 11:05 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-188:
…because he said he would be picking form players… Maybe we see form differently to him…
He sees form as the form of their bodies and we see form as the way they play…
5 Jun 2012, 11:06 am
@sparticus(sparticus)-148: I should know better than to do this sparticus but here goes:
I imagine I’m a bit older than you – Ive not missed a Bok test going back to the days when we didnt have TV but listened on the radio. In all that time, my friend, I have almost never agreed 100% with the coach’s selections, but what Ive learnt is that the coach is the one in the front line who faces the press and must carry the can IF and WHEN they lose. If HM loses his first test, the knives will be out. I am not a huge fan of his game plan either, but for better or for worse, he is the Bok coach and we have known for MONTHS that this would be the way it was. I say lets live with it for now.
In all my many Tests that I have watched, I have nver been able to NOT support the green and gold – as old as I am, I still weep when i see those jerseys run onto the field. I dont give a rats arse WHO is playing – that wasnt my choice – I just hope they win. The only time I had doubts about supporting the Boks was under Jake White when Luke Watson was foisted on the team – that was a near thing for me because it had zippo to do with rugby.
HM is I believe an honorable man who wants to win – if he thinks this is the way to do it, I will support him unless it becomes a joke like it did under Krusty the Clown. I may not agree with his selections,, but FFS man it is HIS choice not yours or mine.
Is that OK with you now? Can we stop cryingand talk about rugby?
Thanks bud.
5 Jun 2012, 11:06 am
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-168:
a rugby team which won THREE super titiles…
most recently one in a final against ‘that’ team of pretenders in suspenders…
5 Jun 2012, 11:06 am
I also see no problem with JdV’s announcement as captain coming a day after.
Oh and I would have chosen Aplon over Basson.
5 Jun 2012, 11:08 am
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-189:
Eish, just looks more and more like a deer in the headlights to me…if we lose on Saturday this man is going to realize that the media banter about his selections is not the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the pressures of his job.
5 Jun 2012, 11:08 am
@Kietzphat(Kietzphat)-192:
I stopped reading at the 2nd paragraph.
There wasn’t an uproar when Streauli got the job.
The k@k hit the fan when he started his strange selections.
5 Jun 2012, 11:08 am
Would someone enlighten me as to who the smallest All Black centres were in the last 5-10 years?
5 Jun 2012, 11:09 am
@houston, we have a problem…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-199:
History! Hey you are my friend. Shurrup!
5 Jun 2012, 11:09 am
@houston, we have a problem…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-199: So do you now have pink ballas hanging next to the blue ones on your towbar. How many titles have been won by a team wearing pink?
5 Jun 2012, 11:10 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-203: Size isn’t everything. They are very skillful.
5 Jun 2012, 11:10 am
Mysterious Boks…can’t help but chuckle everytime I see that headline. Their gameplan and approach is going to be as mysterious as the alcoholic beverage of choice at a party in Welkom
5 Jun 2012, 11:11 am
@sparticus(sparticus)-196:
And that’s whats pissing off so many supporters.
All the contradictions, certain rules applying only to certain players from a certain union.
5 Jun 2012, 11:11 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-175: It does if you have the best defensive record i nthe championship. Do you want to check the territory and possesion stats for 2011 final? France had more possesion and more territory, but still lost.
Bulls could not get through our defence, so we won because we could get through theirs. Stop moaning because you have been beaten at home twice in two seasons!
5 Jun 2012, 11:13 am
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-197:
Best chirp of the week award. You cracked me up and that after leaving on a high.
5 Jun 2012, 11:14 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-203: Christian Cullen. The comparison to the AB’s is flawed, because they had superior ball-skills.
I know you don’t have an appreciation for 7′s but my analogy would be to put the AB backline against the Bok backline in a 7′s game. it will test spatial awareness, passing ability, tackling, support play.
5 Jun 2012, 11:15 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-203:
If you go back to 95 there was a certain player weighing in at 86 kgs.
Frank Bunce.
Aussie legend Tim Horan also wasn’t the biggest around.
Look, these smaller but talented players don’t come around often but when they do a coach worth his salt will use them appropriately.
5 Jun 2012, 11:15 am
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-57:
“unleash the doodpoes”
5 Jun 2012, 11:16 am
@Te Rangatira(Te Rangatira)-193: Listen dude, some of us are depressed enough as it is without you throwing these confirmations of our worst fears in our faces every 3 posts. Have a heart, please.
5 Jun 2012, 11:16 am
@Couchcoach(GI POT)-201:
Ja I said if we lose on Saturday there will be a lot of (un)happy people.
5 Jun 2012, 11:16 am
@ufo(ufo)-155:
you forgot:
‘all over rover’…
5 Jun 2012, 11:17 am
The Make up of the Boks aside, what really should concern Lancaster and the RFU would be to ensure the integrity of the referees?
Based on the performance of Bryce Lawrence and Berdoe the first 2 Tests against the British Lions in 2009, I would say the least the Poms must insist on is some kind of lie detector tests to ensure no ‘diamonds studded gold Rolex’ practice,
And they have to do prior to the test, not raising hell afterward
5 Jun 2012, 11:18 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-203: This is not comprehensive – just a few I could think of:
Aaron Mauger: 1.83m / 93kg
Dan Carter: 1.78m / 94kg
Conrad Smith: 1.56m / 95kg
Sam Tuitupo: 1.75m / 93kg
5 Jun 2012, 11:19 am
@pompies2(pompies2)-211: If you want to beat the All Blacks play the style you are used to. Meyer has been known to bring in expertise from other sporting codes and from other countries to tweak our players’ skills and to bring in new ideas, but he keeps to a South African playing style.
5 Jun 2012, 11:19 am
Joanne’s back
5 Jun 2012, 11:19 am
Jir Tac
Your posts are getting torn to shreds.
Much like your rugby theory and predictions have.
5 Jun 2012, 11:20 am
@Nikita(Nikita)-210:
Do I win something? When are the awards?
5 Jun 2012, 11:20 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-218: Of course, CS is 1.86, not 1.56m
5 Jun 2012, 11:20 am
@Dawn(Dawn)-220: What about her front?
5 Jun 2012, 11:20 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-218:
Geez, Conrad Smith is one heavy midget!
5 Jun 2012, 11:22 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-218: Juan de Jong’s size may have played a role in him not being selected, but to be fair is he any good? He cannot pass. He has a predictable step that worked against Wales and Waratahs in his first full season, but not again. Aplon I am not happy with as he will be better than Kirchner any day.
5 Jun 2012, 11:22 am
@Horings(Horings)-219:
Both the Sharks & Cheetahs have shown there’s different styles of SA Rugby if you have players and coaches willing to go that route.
5 Jun 2012, 11:23 am
@Michael(mikeybrass)-195: Tell me, who’s outside backs scored the most tries over the last two seasons? De Jongh or Olivier?
5 Jun 2012, 11:23 am
@Horings(Horings)-219: How well has that worked over the last few years? Even when the players insisted on that style, they still came up short.
If you were and All Black right now, who would you want to be playing against? Basson\Mvovo or Aplon? De Jong or JJ? Coetzee\Kanko or Brussouw\Kolisi?
5 Jun 2012, 11:23 am
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-222:
Yes but it is a sprint for the line.
@>^..^< katman(katman)-224:
5 Jun 2012, 11:24 am
@Horings(Horings)-226: Kirchner was picked for his Movie Star good looks (Sideshow Bob)
5 Jun 2012, 11:24 am
@Horings(Horings)-219:
Other codes and other countries hey? That leaves the door open for Olivia Newton John to come and teach Pierre Spies how to “get physical” Thank all the rugby gods – there is hope yet
5 Jun 2012, 11:25 am
@Nikita(Nikita)-230: Yes, this site is as addictive as coc… as cigarettes.
5 Jun 2012, 11:25 am
@Horings(Horings)-226:
So you’d pick Wynand who’s been a repeat failure at Test level over De Jongh who’s shown he has the aptitude for elite rugby when given the opportunity?
5 Jun 2012, 11:26 am
What exactly is Meyer’s definition of ‘direct rugby’ ?
I hope it’s not running directly onto the opponent/defender, but I suspect that’s exactly what he has in mind.
Well rugby is in essence about scoring tries (highest reward) and the way to do that is to create an overlap. The overlap is created by the attacking player running into space, creating doubt with 2 defenders and both attempting to defend.
This frees up the rest of the attacking team and the logical result is a try every time.
By selecting a bloke like Wynand Olivier he is giving all of us clue of how he understands direct rugby.
5 Jun 2012, 11:26 am
@Horings(Horings)-226: And JJ and Meisiekind have set the super rugby competition on fire. at least read your posts before clicking the submit button.
5 Jun 2012, 11:27 am
Sitting in my office, watcing the start of the Wallaby vs. Scotland game. Got to love DSTV at he office and midweek games. Who should I be supporting?
5 Jun 2012, 11:27 am
@BullDog15(BullDog15)-228:
Tell me, who’s been an absolute let down at Test Rugby after 30 games.
Wynand or De Jongh?
5 Jun 2012, 11:28 am
What exactly is Meyer’s definition of ‘direct rugby’ ?
I hope it’s not running directly onto the opponent/defender, but I suspect that’s exactly what he has in mind.
Well rugby is in essence about scoring tries (highest reward) and the way to do that is to create an overlap.The overlap is created by the attacking player running into space, creating doubt with 2 defenders and both attempting to defend.
This frees up the rest of the attacking team and the logical result is a try every time. By selecting a bloke like Wynand Olivier he is giving all of us clue of how he understands direct rugby.
5 Jun 2012, 11:28 am
@Nikita(Nikita)-230:
5 Jun 2012, 11:30 am
@pompies2(pompies2)-235: My point is if there is so little to choose between Olvier, JJ and de Jong then he has all the right not to chose de Jong. Remember in 2004 when Ettienne Botha was not picked after breaking the CC record for tries scored. Wayne Julies was picked ahead of him. Now that was shocking!
5 Jun 2012, 11:30 am
@Horings(Horings)-226: @Horings(Horings)-226: If the boks play a passing game I would agree with you cos Juan biggest fault is his passing. His step while predictable is still extrenely difficult to defend against as shown every week.
However with both Steyn’s there and the likes of Basson and Kirchner the boks will not deploy a passing game. Instead the gameplan will be based on defence. once again I remind you that the stormers are the best defensive side in the comp . the same side with De Jong at centre for everygame so far. Not a argurement for his inclusion , just shooting down that theory.
We can go on and on with this and eventually guys like Tact will claim that tired of this and cannot get through our thick skulls while the truth is they cannot defend the selections,
5 Jun 2012, 11:31 am
@BullDog15(BullDog15)-228: Well you could also ask who has had more defensive lapses,De Jongh or Olivier?
5 Jun 2012, 11:31 am
@Horings(Horings)-240: And yes at the time Heneke was the biggest supporter of Ettienne , seems size did not matter back then. Maybe the bulls jersey makes them look bigger ?
PS – Just how big is Basson by the way ? He looks about 80 off Kg’s
5 Jun 2012, 11:32 am
@sparticus(sparticus)-241: They are, but are they the best defensive side when John McFarland’s defensive strategy is used. The Stormers have a very different (but very efficient) defensive system, but will they be able to master a different system in 5 days time?
5 Jun 2012, 11:32 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-238:
You have an even clearer idea of his approach with F Steyn at 12
5 Jun 2012, 11:33 am
@sparticus(sparticus)-243: Like I said maybe it is just because juan is k a k!
5 Jun 2012, 11:33 am
its a pretty good team. aside from 3 debutants meyer has gone for about the most experienced team he could pick if the 15 proposed above start in 1st test. 7 sharks (incl Frans Steyn) so hardly a bulls bias. i reckon brussouw is biggest ommision.
5 Jun 2012, 11:34 am
Basson is selected purely for speed and ability in the air.
5 Jun 2012, 11:34 am
@Horings(Horings)-246:
Maybe
5 Jun 2012, 11:36 am
@Horings(Horings)-240: One would hope the present coach has learned from past mistakes?
5 Jun 2012, 11:36 am
@Kietzphat(Kietzphat)-192: You see the below is the problem for me
[quote]As for Siya Kolisi, he has been very impressive. But I’m in favour of allowing him the luxury of the Super rugby tournament, and a solid Currie Cup before the End of Year Tour. Let him develop at his own high pace, identify short comings in his own game, then blood him against relatively weaker nations like the Scottish or Irish.[/quote]
Why does Siya need development and Marcel does not ? Etzebeth does not ? Siya FYI already had a solid CC last season.
I agree with the above 2 selections but why dont they use the same criteria for Siya ?
5 Jun 2012, 11:36 am
@Horings(Horings)-240: Mate stop justifying every cr a p Bulls selection by referring to perceived injustices 8 years back.
5 Jun 2012, 11:37 am
@Horings(Horings)-240: There’s quite a bit to choose. 1 is past his prime and competing with 2 other’s for the starting 12 jersey. 1 is a retreaded wing, who managed to cope playing centre after Heyneke’s initial Bulls buy turned out to be a flop and the other is in the prime of his career, albeit not playing brilliant rugby possesses the ability to beat defenders in 1-on-1 situations. You talk about his inability to pass? That just lumps him with the rest of the centres in SA. Like I said, read your posts carefully before you click the submit button.
5 Jun 2012, 11:38 am
@BreakdownBoy(goodstuff)-236:
What game is this?
Baby tournament?
5 Jun 2012, 11:38 am
@Superbru(Superbru)-250:
Hitory has a strange way of repeating itself! I hope you are right.
5 Jun 2012, 11:38 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-218:
I hope you’re not implying that those guys are examples of SMALL centres, all of them being 90kg+.
And the next question then is – how do they stack up to the current All Black centres, like SBW, Nonu etc.
Meyer doesn’t just want parity with these guys. He wants to dominate them physically.
And the midfield crash ball is a central part of his gameplan.
As to skill vs size. Surely the aim should be to get our big guys up to the skill level required – if indeed they fall short.
Because a skilled big guy is better than a skilled small guy.
5 Jun 2012, 11:39 am
@greybeard(greybeard)-198: I use to feel the same way you did. Tell me honestly though is Luke was captain would you still feel the same ?
I know what you trying to say and I agree with some of it but I sadly cannot support such blatant provincialism. Players are picked on where they play and the basis of their color to me. Some need development while others are deemed ready.
Thats how I see it , sorry. SA rugby has taken 20 steps backward.
5 Jun 2012, 11:40 am
@BullDog15(BullDog15)-96: You know that means turnovers conceded – not a good stat to have
5 Jun 2012, 11:41 am
Morning all
Is this the white line fever site every paper is referring to?
5 Jun 2012, 11:41 am
Dawie Tron’s baby boks also seem to be playing direct rugby and was comprehensively outplayed
Direct rugby is not the answer, you heard it hear 1st
5 Jun 2012, 11:41 am
@pompies2(pompies2)-253: possessed? I think you should do the same.
5 Jun 2012, 11:42 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-218: Those are pretty big guys
5 Jun 2012, 11:43 am
@pompies2(pompies2)-253: Is Juan de Jong playing better or worst rugby than at the start of his career? Be honest.
5 Jun 2012, 11:45 am
I nearly fell off my chair
This is not the Anglo Boer War:
‘And the midfield crash ball is a central part of his game plan’
The ABs and Aussies must be smiling …
5 Jun 2012, 11:45 am
I hate the “be honest” because it implies the only honest answer is the one which conforms to the questioner’s stance.
5 Jun 2012, 11:45 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-256: How do you upskill a test veteran? Surely this is something which should happen at junior provincial level. Skills are refined at senior provincial and franchise level. Test rugby should be the pinnacle of rugby ability.
How many centres have dominated SBW and Nonu before? How do you explain Conrad smith being so effective? Not the quickest & not the most physical? What sets him apart as the premier 13 in the world? How do you explain the effectiveness of James o Connor, Kurtley beale and quade cooper?
5 Jun 2012, 11:45 am
We will get some idea of his game plan on Saturday! It is the win that he says is of importance and he has chosen a winning squad. Let’s wait and see.
5 Jun 2012, 11:45 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-260: as oppose to what type of rugby
Cheetahs run it all the time and set the world alight with their back line play, but eish, they are not winning many are they
We could do the same if we had the right players. Goosen would make a massive difference, alongside Steyn who is an excellent distributor of the ball
5 Jun 2012, 11:46 am
@JL1(JL1)-259: Yep,you got it all,a highly addictive site regularly abusive/abused.
5 Jun 2012, 11:46 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-256: I’m implying nothing. You asked who the smallest AB centres were over the past decade, and these were the ones I could think of. I’m not pushing any size issues.
5 Jun 2012, 11:47 am
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-267: No we will not, he has said already that it will be more down to senior players, talent and good decision making that will win the game
The game plan and structure he said can not be implemented in 7 days
5 Jun 2012, 11:48 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-264: Yeah,Pocock and McCaw are smiling,turnover ball.
5 Jun 2012, 11:48 am
@Horings(Horings)-244: About as much a chance as anyone of the 11 sharks that was picked. What chance does anyone outside Pretoria have of mastering the defensive pattern ?
5 Jun 2012, 11:48 am
@sparticus(sparticus)-251:
I can not for the life of me understand any reasoning for Kolisi not being in the team,a fricken disgrace.He has made such a huge impact in Super rugby, greater than Estebeth imo, that to be overlooked for national honours borders on criminal.
5 Jun 2012, 11:48 am
@JL1(JL1)-259:
Indeed
5 Jun 2012, 11:48 am
@Superbru(Superbru)-269: Seems the chief in charge is doing double lines if the media stories are true….. and they must be as the chief always tells us his stories are true
5 Jun 2012, 11:48 am
Are some of you implying that Frans Steyn and De Villiers don’t have high skill levels?
5 Jun 2012, 11:49 am
@JL1(JL1)-271:
So we will be planless on Saturday! Ok – maybe like the Baby Boks then?
5 Jun 2012, 11:49 am
@sparticus(sparticus)-274: Could be that Meyer feels their system is not very different from the Bulls one.
5 Jun 2012, 11:50 am
JL
The game of rugby has evolved, not that the average afrikaner would have noticed
The perfect blend of rugby is really ‘total rugby’ as envisioned by a cullert coach from Paarl, but usurped by the likes of Victor Matfield with his Pietersburg rugby
ABs by far the best exponent of how rugby should be played; they will beat you will average size skilful players because they understand the game better
Direct rugby is back to the ‘stampkar rugby’ of Ian Mac with the Banana boys in the early 1990s
We may well be in for humiliating defeats if we advocate ‘direct rugby’
5 Jun 2012, 11:51 am
@JL1(JL1)-277:
5 Jun 2012, 11:51 am
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-197:
but who are not the form players there?
is there a better scrummaging frontrow?
are those not the best availible locks?
is that not the best availible backrow combo? Debatable between kolisi and coetzee…both form though and I’d have a bigger issue with alberts than spies as alberts has just played 1 decent game against the stormers and only 60minutes. Spies has played every minute of superrugby and everyone else is injured.
is there a better scrummie availible, personally for me it probably is vermaak.
morne
the centers pick themselves (steyn/devilliers)
as do the wings
fullback is debatable but meyer prefers bigger players and lambie will probably cover from the bench?
so where is form in the match day 15 been so worringly overlooked?
5 Jun 2012, 11:51 am
Everyone just drop the Siya debate now already
5 Jun 2012, 11:51 am
@Bokhoring(Bokhoring)-258: I don’t follow. What about “possesses”? I might be a product of the gutter education system, but English is my first language and I’m fairly competent speaking it? Unless you’re questioning my logic, I’m not too sure why you take umbrage with my statement.
5 Jun 2012, 11:52 am
@pompies2(pompies2)-267: Look the only really poor selection must be Wynand Olivier, but statistically he is one of the best in Super Rugby, which I believe is his level……but 3 Bok coaches who know more than me selected him as well…..why?
5 Jun 2012, 11:52 am
@Te Rangatira(Te Rangatira)-275: Agreed 100%
5 Jun 2012, 11:53 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-265:
errm why…..mccabe is the biggest crashball merchant out there.
5 Jun 2012, 11:53 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-281:
Where did you hear this “direct rugby” thing.
5 Jun 2012, 11:53 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-278: For me, it’s not up to international level.
5 Jun 2012, 11:53 am
@Dawn(Dawn)-284:
Siya later
5 Jun 2012, 11:53 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-257: That would make sense if our ‘big guys’ were skilled – but they aren’t soooooooooooooooooooooo: for now it should be, small but skilled guys are always better than borderline retards who happen to have large biceps.
5 Jun 2012, 11:55 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-281: Well Eddie Jones is surely a “total rugby” guy and he thinks Fourie du Preez and Matfield are some of the best strategists and thinkers the game has ever seen. And yes, they are boerkies van Noord Transvaal.
5 Jun 2012, 11:55 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-278: I think many people here have lost track of what they’re implying.
5 Jun 2012, 11:55 am
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-279: Yes, a South African Barbarian side if you like
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-281: I am sure Meyer will have his backs run when the opportunity is presents itself, Ricardo Loubscher is known for his running, so let us wait and see
5 Jun 2012, 11:55 am
@Dawn(Dawn)-289:
Papers (Beeld here in Pta) and websites
5 Jun 2012, 11:56 am
@pompies2(pompies2)-285: Juan does not have that ability anymore?
5 Jun 2012, 11:56 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-283: Kanko,Olivier, Kirchner, Basson
5 Jun 2012, 11:57 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-288:
Crash ball – the name says it all
You crash out of competitions with that sort of nonsense; that’s not rugby
5 Jun 2012, 11:58 am
@Stormers supporters: Cry me a river!(Horings)-293: Oh Phulease, what FdP and Matfield know, (I say in a very sarcastic voice)
of course they are the best, rated by coaches around the world and not punters in the cheap seats
5 Jun 2012, 11:58 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-292: And just to use an example Daniels vs Spies for the starting berth. Daniels has skills, but we will start with the Sugar Plum fairy, because she is a wonderful physical specimen. (And most will defend her by saying: she is wonderful in the lineout, and we need an additional jumper – and to that I say: being an additional lineout jumper means jack squat if she can’t even fulfill her primary functions as an 8th man)
5 Jun 2012, 11:59 am
THE CALL
I see all this hysterical bullshit by chaps who have never ever thrown an oval shaped ball in anger or actually bled with a team mate… and I get irritated… No, I get angry…
Actually I get hatefully angry especially when I see fools who will prefer to support England rather than the Boks because their Holy Cow quotas of player numbers are not met… Because of the chips on their Trophyless “Southern” shoulders due to a successful dynastic “Northern” coach not satisfying their collective sense of entitlement…
It makes me want to farken smash the short sighted provincial cant see any wood from the trees attitude straight out of them… It makes me want to shake the petty exclusionary sh.it straight out of them along with the utter no knowlege bullshit that they spew…
And THEN I think to the game on Sunday…
…to the echoes of Nkosi sikelel iafrika… imagining the panning camera, passing Bok players:
an emotional Beast… a proud South African shouting the words… next to a steely Bismarck holding tight, hand clasped over chest…
Kruger and Coetzee…both overcome with Pride singing before their first tests…
Steyn and Steyn… Brothers from other mothers in arms… Black White and Blue…
And then …
at the end of the line I imagine the camera stopping… holding on one individual…One arm around a team mate…one hand grasping tightly the emblem over his heart… Eyes closed, head raised to the blue sunny sky singing “Sounds the Call to come Together” like a Love Song to an imaginary lover…
Yes, I see Jean De Villiers… The most passionate singer of the National Anthem of any Sportsman for any South African Team… Captain of the Springboks… Crying… with tears of Pride.
I imagine all this… and I calm down…slowly… I feel better.
And it dawns on me once more that TRUE Bok supporters will forget petty jealousies and short sighted envy…
They will be on the field in Spirit with every Green and Gold player… They will be in the midst of every bone jarring hit, every smashing scrum, every soaring lineout… They will be there with every tense laden kick lined up to the poles, and every breakthrough over the tryline…
Why? Because they are the farken most ridiculously passionate fans on the planet…
They ARE BOK Supporters…AND They Support ONE TEAM…
THE SPRINGBOKS…
Our Blood is Green After All.
BOOM!!!
5 Jun 2012, 11:59 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-299: Jumping the gun a little, who said anything about crash ball
5 Jun 2012, 11:59 am
@Stormers supporters: Cry me a river!(Horings)-293:
He said that when he was trying to talk himself into a consulting role
You must not believe everything you read in the newspapers
5 Jun 2012, 12:01 pm
not sure also why leave brussouw out – he is the most rested forward we have
5 Jun 2012, 12:01 pm
@pompies2(pompies2)-285: What are you on about? I did not even respond to you
5 Jun 2012, 12:01 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-302: All the way with you on this one
I am a Stormers…..but Saffas act like the West Indies and all want one of their players from their little island in the team
Christie beat the world with a Transvaal loaded team
5 Jun 2012, 12:01 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-283:
Basson is a bit small, Keegan a bit small, Bissie a bit small, Vermaak a bit small… but a few
5 Jun 2012, 12:03 pm
@JL1(JL1)-295:
Oh so now its up to Laubscher to develop a running philosophy
You cannot blend the two; its like north and south, east and west
Your mentality has to be play into space. Why? Because there’s no defence there!!!!
No defence means opportunity
5 Jun 2012, 12:03 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-299: Poms are expecting a lot of physical brutality,and will bring it,Boks are going to have to be prepared and be 1st out of the blocks or this english team will beat them at their own game.
5 Jun 2012, 12:04 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-304: Haha jy is f o k n snaaks! Toe koop hy sommer ook een van hulle, want hy kry hom jammer.
5 Jun 2012, 12:06 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-302:
Oh shut up
5 Jun 2012, 12:06 pm
@JL1(JL1)-298:
those blokes in all likelyhood might just make the bench….just. Kirschener could start but only because lambie covers so many option from the bench.
I’ve already stated that aplon is a strange ommission but I wouldn’t have him as a starter either but as a bench option.
Kanko is just back but covers 7 and 8(a very specific position) and has plenty of experience. Who else covers flank and 8 who has missed out? Jonhson…you must be having a laugh?
?Olivier is playing well and although he hasn’t done much internationally what has jdj done outside of sidestepping a welsh prop 2 years ago? Has he offered anything as a center in superrugby apart from being part of a strong defensive system? Rob Eberson can be more upset but then he only covers 1 position from the bench.
Basson has been okay but again will not make a match day squad.
5 Jun 2012, 12:06 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-309: Laubscher will not be there for too long. If it was not for Saru being the idiots they are Heyneke would have picked a much better coaching team.
5 Jun 2012, 12:10 pm
@Superbru(Superbru)-310:
Physical intensity is now dead std part of the game.
Its the prof era after all
That will not give you the competitive adv; you need other smart stuff to breach defence and decision making ability
Direct rugby is neanderthalsih
5 Jun 2012, 12:11 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-302: Wind your neck in dude,it’s getting tiring.
5 Jun 2012, 12:11 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-308:
funny how none had an issue with not selecting the late ettienne botha because jean was a good big one who could dominate the tackle.
and lets be clear about this jdj is nowhere in the same league as botha was when he passed.
5 Jun 2012, 12:12 pm
@Stormers supporters: Cry me a river!(Horings)-314:
You mean he would have picked a white backline coach?
The coach to my recollection is white and right now he could well be our problem
Plus Victor Matfield the Bulls commentator
5 Jun 2012, 12:13 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-317:
Brigadier! I rest my case.
Ettiene Botha should have been a Bok as should most (all) Bulls be…
5 Jun 2012, 12:13 pm
It’s clear, not just from the reactions to the Springbok selections but also from the general comments on this site everyday that we are a nation divided. Something like this just brings the issue to the surface.
For the record I think it is disgraceful that HM has only chosen 3 players from the Stormers in the squad. I will always support the Boks, regardless but it does leave a bit of a funny taste in my mouth.
The selections beg the question though:
Why is it that the team supplying 13 boks and the team supplying 10 boks being hopelessly outperformed (yes hopelessly when you look at the wins column) by the team supplying 3 boks??
Is it:
(a) That the players aren’t as good as they appear to be?
(b) They are badly coached at Super Rugby level and are unable to perform?
(c) Good individual talents but bad team men?
(d) ???
Lets get back to the team selection. The Bulls guys on here (and HG who just jumps onto anything anti WP without thought) will say that it’s about a winning plan under Meyer and that it shouldn’t matter if 15 Bulls players trot onto the park as long as we win. I say that isn’t so. It is about selecting the best and most deserving players to represent your country. Not just to represent 2 provinces.
This is where the problem comes in. Heinecke hasn’t realised that being the head of a National team is unfortunately not just about picking the team that he is most familiar with, i.e. the Bulls. It’s smacks not of a biased selection but a very lazy one.
5 Jun 2012, 12:14 pm
@Stormers supporters: Cry me a river!(Horings)-314: Are you on cheap crack? Heyneke hand picked every single member of his team – All Bulls, all in. SARU bent over backwards to give Heyneke who he wanted, going so far as to pay major dosh to the Bulls union (money which in fact allowed them to keep Hougaard and start buying more junior players from the Cape). Don’t talk bat sh y te here – this was all a very boetie boetie thing from the getgo, everyone win. (Everyone affiliated to the Bulls that is). Sure he called Allistair Coetzee as an eye-blind, knowing full well Alistair wouldn’t be interested, allowing him the opportunity to say: But I did look beyond the Bulls. At least De Villiers the scrum coach, is an outsider.
5 Jun 2012, 12:14 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-315: Agreed,players like Alberts,F Steyn and meisiekind seem to have been chosen specifically to break that line.Hopefully they do the job.
5 Jun 2012, 12:15 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-319:
he would have eventually forced his way into the bok side he carved up backlines for fun. Something jdj has yet to do at any level.
5 Jun 2012, 12:15 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-320:
You are wrong.
It is about winning. Nothing else.
Even if its 15 Sharks in the team.
Transvaal basically won the 95 World Cup for us on their own, with a smattering of players from other teams.
But the win is all that mattered.
5 Jun 2012, 12:16 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-320:
Nice read!
5 Jun 2012, 12:18 pm
@Superbru(Superbru)-322:
It is easier to break a line mate! Ask Keo!!!
5 Jun 2012, 12:18 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-320:
Dis nie skool prysuitdeling tyd vir goeie prestasies nie, Stormersboy.
It’s not about who deserves to be there or not. It’s about who are the tools that the coach can best use to achieve one thing.
A test win.
5 Jun 2012, 12:18 pm
@Superbru(Superbru)-322:
No they wont because their running lines are too predictable
Thats 3 out of 15 players that you dont have to worry about, thats 20%
The gameplan is Morne Steyn kicking up and unders and the rest chase, how revolutionary
5 Jun 2012, 12:20 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-323:
Yeah add WO to that list. He can’t even carve up the small 2nd stingers team..
5 Jun 2012, 12:20 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-318:
You haven’t been here since whenever
This debate you are trying to start is 2500 posts old already
5 Jun 2012, 12:20 pm
Heineke has not picked “just Bulls”…
He has picked Bulls + Sharks + Stormers + Lions + Cheetahs…
He has picked a Captain from the Stormers…
He has picked South Africans… whether they come from Zille’s Western Cape or Not is IRRELEVANT now…
If the Boks should LOSE on SAT then you HYPOCRITES MIGHT have a POINT…
UNTIL then…
Regarding your TITFORTAT petty “Northern” JEALOUSIES
SHUT THE FUCKUP…
5 Jun 2012, 12:21 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-327: And you are 100% correct there. There are many tools in that squad.
5 Jun 2012, 12:22 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-321:
3 days and 200 posts later and you are still hysterical.
blues under the bed.
blou gevaar.
blou tokoloshe.
5 Jun 2012, 12:22 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-326:
5 Jun 2012, 12:22 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-331:
For someone whose team was beat by the kittens – you are sure very vocal…
5 Jun 2012, 12:22 pm
This could be the year that I start to support the All Blacks
I’m warning you
It will be reluctant, unlike so many cape kullids, but it will be out of principle
Im not going to throw my weight behind an afrikaner nest
5 Jun 2012, 12:22 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-324: Meyer would have won the tests just as easily with players like Aplon, Kolisi and JDJ in the team (The Super Rugby log would emphatically suggest more easily)
That is what the argument is about. He hasn’t applied himself. Lazy as I said.
5 Jun 2012, 12:23 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-329: But rumour has it, he does wonders with a leg of lamb.
5 Jun 2012, 12:24 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-330:
Its the heart of the debate
You will see on Saturday
5 Jun 2012, 12:24 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-331:
Who the hell are you screaming at now.
5 Jun 2012, 12:25 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-337:
That’s your opinion.
5 Jun 2012, 12:26 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-302: ALSO… in the REAL WORLD… That is, OUTSIDE the petty KEO Cape Cabal
DIVISION in SA regarding the Bok selection is pretty MINIMAL…
Other than a few disagreements about a couple of players… especially a relatively experienced Brussouw… there is pretty much uniform agreement that Meyer’s squad is pretty much the best that can be selected…
You pitiful petty little envious TWATS
POP!
5 Jun 2012, 12:26 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-328: Yeah,the kick and chase is very worrying to me,let’s hope there’s a back-up plan if it does not work,unlike the previous coaches who seemed to have no back-up plan and just kept banging away.That kind of thinking/playing just plays into the opposition’s hands.
5 Jun 2012, 12:26 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-331: You are the most divisive person on this site with your “Zille Western Cape” and “cunties”.
Stop being hypocritical.
I’d say don’t be such a ****** but that’s probably genetic.
5 Jun 2012, 12:26 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-339:
Maybe so but it’s been rehashed here since Saturday
5 Jun 2012, 12:27 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-342: The rest of SA will just get along and support the GREEN and GOLD without you DELUDED and DENUDED IDIOTS!
5 Jun 2012, 12:27 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-341: Obviously not just mine it would seem.
5 Jun 2012, 12:27 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-342:
I see you are now screaming at yourself.
5 Jun 2012, 12:27 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-342:
Exactly.
This “public” outcry as it is referred to on Rob Houwing’s Sport24 site, is really just the Stormers supporting public.
The rest of the country is ready to get on with the job of clobbering the Poms.
5 Jun 2012, 12:28 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-337:
Ek is moeg baklei! It is hard to argue with Pink supporters and wannabe pink supporter from the Sharks…
5 Jun 2012, 12:29 pm
hypothetically speaking…..what would happen if the bulls go on and win the superrugby? or the sharks for that matter.
would that appease the cape brigade.
5 Jun 2012, 12:29 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-340: WTF?
5 Jun 2012, 12:29 pm
@Superbru(Superbru)-343:
Mate this is the point, PdV had a plan
But the so-called senior players (read Vic, FdP) always tilted the game to the way they like to play it
With Meyer installed as coach you see in effect a continuation of the Matfield du Preez regime
5 Jun 2012, 12:30 pm
I would have had Aplon there, at wing or fullback or cover from the bench, because I rate him.
I would not have had De Jongh there.
But if it’s going to be a kick and chase gameplan, then the taller Kirchner probably gives you a better chance to contest and regather an up and under. That’s probably also why Lambie isn’t starting at 15 (aside from his skin colour).
I trust Heyneke.
5 Jun 2012, 12:30 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-320: It’s because you can train 15 babooons to tackle and tackle and tackle – without playing any rugby and still win.
Meyer wants rugby players – not babooons.
Get it.
5 Jun 2012, 12:30 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-345:
Maybe the same dish but I always come with fresh herbs and spices
5 Jun 2012, 12:31 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-333: Can you not see that everything I said on Friday is evolving as truth right before our very eyes? You called me paranoid, I call myself ‘prophet’. That said, it’s damn entertaining watching the Blue Tokkies on this site crawl around trying to justify Meyer’s every move. Most of the hysteria is coming from those who find their Marketing and PR strategies under threat (and no additional budget being granted to step it up a gear). This Tacky dude and his mates – absolutely hysterical in a Modern Family way. One last question(and I asked you on Friday) – why is Meyer not allowed to be questioned, I don’t think he has been canonized yet, at this stage he is still mortal?
5 Jun 2012, 12:32 pm
@RL(RL)-355:
Wrong he wants to win! He said it would be defense that wins games.
You not reading the paper and just joining the hype! Get your facts first…
5 Jun 2012, 12:32 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-346: Your posts are starting to look more and more like ET’s, with your use of CAPITALS to try and emphasize points.
Sadly, much like one or 2 other bloggers on this site, you can’t be an argumentative fool 360 days out of the year and then try an look like the voice of reason the rest.
That’s the problem with being the fool. No one will listen to you when you have something that you feel is important to say.
But rant away Wells.
It’s your dime.
5 Jun 2012, 12:32 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-357:
You can question away (since you seem to see us as his proxies).
He’s not going to pay any attention to you though.
5 Jun 2012, 12:33 pm
I.m a stormers supporter and @stormersboy(stormersboy)-320: you are acting like a real ********. Leave HM to pick who he wants, he knows the game beter than you will ever know it and he knows the players beter than you ever will, so take a chillpill.
5 Jun 2012, 12:33 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-344: Divisive…? Au contraire…
I reckon I articulate a pretty uniform and unified set of valid criticisms of the whiny, hysterical, sudden anti “Northern” Meyer sentiment from a patently jealous “Southern” pretty ignorant set…. I just dont say it in a “nice” PC way…
Call it a Gift… Call it a talent
No journalistic, PC, or commercial pretensions required either.
5 Jun 2012, 12:34 pm
@RL(RL)-355: Don’t be a sourpuss little boy, why don’t you run over to a thread discussing YOUR team, oh, that’s right, no-one’s interested in losers…
5 Jun 2012, 12:34 pm
Nice pic of the Coke TV team on the right
5 Jun 2012, 12:35 pm
A farmer was out on his Welsh hillside tending his flock one day, when he saw a man drinking with a cupped hand from the stream which ran down from one of his fields. Realising the danger, he shouted over to the man, ‘Paid a yfed y dwr! Mae’n ych-y-fi!’ [Don't drink the water. It's disgusting!]
The man at the stream lifted his head and put a cupped hand to his ear, shrugged his shoulders at the farmer, and carried on drinking.
Realising the man at the stream couldn’t hear him, the farmer moved closer, ‘Paid a yfed! Dwr ych-y-fi! Defaid yn cachu yn y dwr!’ [Don't drink. Water's disgusting. Sheep poo in the water.]
Still the walker couldn’t hear the farmer. Finally the farmer walked right up to the man at the stream and once again said again, ‘Dwr yn ych-y-fi! Paid a’i yfed!’. [Water's disgusting. Don't drink it!]
‘I’m dreadfully sorry my good man, I can’t understand a word you say dear boy! Can’t you speak English?’ Said the man at the stream, in a splendid English accent.
‘Oh I see’, said the farmer, ‘I was just saying, if you use both hands you can get more in…….. !
5 Jun 2012, 12:35 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-324:
Swak argument.
In daai geval kan al die top spelers maar net so wel vir 1 span uitdraf dan hoef ons nie te worry oor selections nie.
5 Jun 2012, 12:35 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-348: It has been hysterical since it witnessed such a calamitous weekend,it’s dynamite fizzled in the coke tin and then to top it off the hated strompies beat the bulls at loftus,I think it has damaged itself,yes,something most definately has popped.Calling all stormers supporters veraaiers when the only looney that said he won’t support Meyers boks is skoppie.2 of a kind,skopshyte and Heaven’s game it seems.
5 Jun 2012, 12:36 pm
Dai had a dog that used to bark out the score whenever Wales beat England? ‘What does he do when England beat Wales?’ he was asked. ‘Dunno,’ said Dai, ‘we’ve only ‘ad him eight years.’
5 Jun 2012, 12:36 pm
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-366:
Well, if any one union can afford all the top players, then by all means.
The reality is, the Bok coach should only be concerned about winning.
That’s what his performance will be judged on.
5 Jun 2012, 12:36 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-362: Call if a gift, call it a talent you say? I call it Tourette syndrome.
5 Jun 2012, 12:36 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-360:
An honest question. Whould you have been “ready to get on with the job of clobbering the Poms” and not have said anything negative about the team selection if a coach selected only 3 Bulls players for the Bok team (as you are now expecting the Stormer supporters to be)?
5 Jun 2012, 12:37 pm
@RL(RL)-355: Really, please go talk hogwash somewhere else.
5 Jun 2012, 12:40 pm
Q: What do call an Englishman holding a bottle of champagne after a 6 Nations game?
A: Waiter.
5 Jun 2012, 12:41 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-359: Oh Stormerboy, Stormerboy where art thou…
Self proclaimed Keo Prefect of righteousness and moral standing…
Staff of “truth” stamping and booming… Wailing “ET”…
But to no avail…
Show them true colours boy… I dont see anything near Green and Gold there… I just see Blue and White…
You are really proving yourself…A petty Cape Town hypocrite.
Aren’t you
5 Jun 2012, 12:42 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-357:
you aren’t questioning anything.
you just harp on about a series of historical superstitions and hackneyed cultural cliches. using old school rugby kenners mutterings after 5 brandies and cokes as a basis for some kind of informed opinion.
furthermore questioning something is one thing.
but going on and on about the same thing is boring and devalues any point you think you may have had.
Beside these constant references to a person’s culture and religion as the basis for which they do their job are pretty silly.
and then in the next breath you call yourself a prophet.
are you related to gwantie?
5 Jun 2012, 12:42 pm
@Kea-Cat(KEA)-361: Like a real what? Rugby supporter?
Person with a valid opinion?
I tried to put forward a well argued point of view but obviously that is lost on you.
Shouldn’t you be at school? Or are you writing exams at the moment?
5 Jun 2012, 12:42 pm
Banner seen at Cardiff Arms Park. – “Ray Gravell Eats Soft Centres”.
The great man explained his rugby philosophy thus: “You’ve got to get your first tackle in early, even if it’s late”.
5 Jun 2012, 12:43 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-354: I tell you and tell you good, if Heyneke kicks and chases our ball away, he won’t be a Bok coach for long, let alone his glaring selection errors.
5 Jun 2012, 12:43 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-371:
If 5 of my team’s first choice stars were out injured and yet we still got 3 players in the Bok team, then it would be kind of silly to complain, wouldn’t it.
Even at the height of the Bulls power, (when we won 3 Super Rugby trophies, remember) we rarely had more than 5 or 6 players in the Bok team.
The Stormers have not won a single trophy, and yet if Duane, Schalk and Andries Bekker were not injured, they would all have started.
That would have given the Stormers 6 players in the starting line up.
It seems, however, that the Stormers – despite not winning a thing yet, and scraping through by only a few points in all of their big games this year – want more their top 6 players in the team.
It seems they want about 10 of their players in the team.
You guys are simply out of touch with reality.
5 Jun 2012, 12:44 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-374: Running out of rehashed phrases to use??
You can (and will) call me anything you like.
Doesn’t change what I am.
Or you sadly.
5 Jun 2012, 12:44 pm
Three Englishman walk into a bar and spot a Welshman sitting alone at a table.
One fellow said to the others, ‘Let’s pick a fight with that Welshman over there.’
His partner replied, ‘Wait, we don’t want to be arrested. Let’s make him start the fight.’
The third Englishman said, ‘Wait here chaps. I know how to do it.’
He went over to the Welshman and said, ‘St David was a flippin’ sissy.’
To this the Welshman replied, ‘Ah well you don’t say!’ and calmly resumed drinking his beer.
The second Englishman now tried his luck and said to the Welshman, ‘St David was a stupid fool that wore a dress!’
The Welshman again replied, ‘You’re very sharp, you don’t say!’ and calmly resumed drinking his beer.
The last Englishman told his friends he knew how to rile the Welshman and bounced up to the table and yelled, ‘St David was an Englishman!’
The Welshman replied, calmly, ‘That’s what your mates were trying to tell me.’
5 Jun 2012, 12:45 pm
@Kea-Cat(KEA)-372:
It is amazing what a win can do to some and a loss to others…
5 Jun 2012, 12:45 pm
By the time the four nations come along the Stormers will have at least 2 more players in the squad.
5 Jun 2012, 12:45 pm
Greybeard @198
Thankyou
5 Jun 2012, 12:45 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-376:
Some hide their hurt more than others! That doesn’t mean it isn’t sore though…
5 Jun 2012, 12:46 pm
@Kea-Cat(KEA)-383:
So you counting hey! Naa three is enough – nuff said…
5 Jun 2012, 12:47 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-349: Yup… And clobber them WE must…
In Heyneke Meyer WE trust…
Well, most pragmatic, knowledgeable and realistic Rugby supporters do.
His team does need to win though… If only to give a figurative middle finger to the rather petty “Southern” set…
WTF is it anyway with this “North”, “South” thing from a bygone era suddenly making a reappearance…?
Maybe the Verligte “Southerners” not as verlig as they actually pretend to be after all…
5 Jun 2012, 12:49 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-379:
Seems like you still dont get it.
It’s not about the starting team. It’s the useless extra Bulls who made the squad ahead of more deserving players who unfortunately don’t play in Pretoria, so they either need more development or a too small.
You yourself was a big critic of Kirchner who made it head of Aplon, a player you rate if I’m not mistaken yet you’ve just accepted this selection error as Godly divine selection vision from Heyneke.
5 Jun 2012, 12:50 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-380: And what are you, Stormerboy?
Especially since casting yourself in this “righteous” little role of yours?
Come… Tell… You have an audience with Wells now.
5 Jun 2012, 12:50 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-375: You just have to admit I was right, simple really. After all the sh y te that went down when Mallet coached, I’m really shocked that so many of you are feeling betrayed, bewildered and confused at the reaction from some segments of the population to some of Meyer’s calls thus far. You really didn’t think everyone was just going to hold hands and follow the Pied Piper,skipping with glee did you? Meyer has got it easy – as I said on Friday, with the majority blindly supporting him and his decisions – if he didn’t think he had that blind, fanatical support, no way in hell he would have announced a squad like that to begin with. Anyway, the proof will be in the pudding – but even if the Boks win, don’t expect Greenpeace in the south to stop their activism.
5 Jun 2012, 12:52 pm
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-388:
Yes, I disagree with the choice of Kirchner, but the point is, each of us will have our own team in mind.
Do you think Kirchner will now be the permanent Bok fullback? You are delusional if you do.
What part of “picking a team he is familiar with” due to the short preparation time don’t you understand?
5 Jun 2012, 12:53 pm
What some of the lunatic fringe don’t get about me, and those that have met me will attest, I am exactly the same person on this Blog as I am in the real world. No hypocrisy. No repressed rage issues that are brought out under the (relative) safety of anonymous blogging, none of that. People who know me know that I blog here and what my name is. I have no issue with clients and family reading what I post, not just now but in the future (once it is out there it is there forever). So I must say that when a person calls me hypocritical on this blog I do find that very amusing, especially when it comes from the very embodiment of the definition of the word.
5 Jun 2012, 12:53 pm
@XhosaKid(XhosaKid)-378:
The Antipodean teams have founds ways to outsmart the “kick and muscle” technique employed by the Vryhiedfront Plus ever since Johan Roux chowed Fitzies ear
5 Jun 2012, 12:54 pm
Putting everything in perspective i am surprised that he did not pick more Bulls in light of having so little time to make these guys mesh.
Pdv inhereted a no. 1 ranked team and handed back a no. 3 team….lets see what HM can do….
For the last 4 years i have been dismissing our losses to snor’s skill…
No excuses now, if we dont rule under HM then I think we deserve to be where we are….
5 Jun 2012, 12:58 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-336: Please do. We do not need conditional Springbok supporters.
5 Jun 2012, 12:58 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-390:
Bullshit.
All Bok coaches catch flak.
And the majority of the people here are giving to him with both barrels.
To suggest that he is getting some sort of armchair ride is completely baseless.
But that doesn’t change the fairy dust you are serving up as informed opinion.
5 Jun 2012, 12:58 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-392:
What I have been struck with about you (since I first noticed your presence here about 12 months ago) is that you are excessively concerned about coming across as a reasonable, respectable, open minded individual when posting here.
Now maybe that is because you are open about your identity, but I find your approach to frankly be out of place.
No one comes here to make friends or impress others with their upstanding character or willingness to fairly examine each point of view.
People come here to speak their mind.
While your reputation is clearly important to you, the fact is, I think you could expend those efforts better in another forum. This is not where one comes to be taken seriously.
That’s my advice to you, and has been my view since I first saw you appear on here, which isn’t that long ago in comparison to us long term denizens of this cr*phole.
5 Jun 2012, 12:58 pm
There is a classic picture going around on facebook at the moment. It’s a picture of HM looking what could be seen as a little perplexed, with the caption below:
“That awkward moment.” “When you are about to announce your national team and they get beaten by the Stormers”.
Vat so.
5 Jun 2012, 12:58 pm
So even Lancaster know he must watch Bulls matches to prepare for the test.
5 Jun 2012, 12:59 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-379:
Yes, the cop out is now to say that Duanne, Schalk and Bekker woukd have been there. Fact is they are not, there is no guarantee that they (specially Duanne) would have been there- the stormers team may not have won any cups yet but they have been the leading SA team for the last 2 years I guess it is fair that the supporters were expecting to have more players in the team.
Remember we are not talking about about a team of 15 or 22 players but about a group of 32 players. So, based on the performance over the last 2 years , a selection of 3/32 with the possibility of a possible 6/32 is imo more than enough reason for any Stormer supporter to at least raise his/her comcern. It however appears that if we do it we are labelled as traitors and english supporters and thats just bullshit.
5 Jun 2012, 12:59 pm
Traveling in a train were a Pommie Rugby player, a Springbok, a spectacular looking blonde and an older lady. After several minutes of the trip, the train happens to pass through a dark tunnel, and the unmistakable sound of a slap is heard. When they leave the tunnel, the Pommie had a big red slap mark on his cheek.
(1) The blonde thought – “That horrible Pommie wanted to touch me and by mistake, he must have put his hand on the lady, who in turn must have slapped his face.”
(2) The older lady thought – “This dirty Pommie laid his hands on the blonde and she smacked him.”
(3) The Pommie thought – “That bloody Saffa put his hand on that blonde and by mistake she slapped me.”
(4) The Bok thought – “I hope there’s another tunnel soon so I can smack that stupid Pommie again.”
5 Jun 2012, 13:00 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-390: No begin dans vir onafhanklikheid! Dan kan julle, julle eie span inskryf.
5 Jun 2012, 13:01 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-391:
Of course Kirchner won’t be long term Bok Fullback as you know he wasn’t good enough to be there in the first place.
5 Jun 2012, 13:01 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-392: Oh… Not only righteous but patronising too…
You must be a really distinguished and successful individual… Truly… You must be…
To think that highly of yourself…
Here’s a Noddy Badge, “M”… If Keo was a Prefect election site I am sure you would win hands down…
Now farken pull yourself together and please try not broadcast too many other “honourable” and “likeable” characteristics of the “Real” Stormerboy… Inferior posters like me might just have to bow down in pontificating awe…
Stroke that Ego my boy…
5 Jun 2012, 13:01 pm
@Kietzphat(Kietzphat)-192:
“Juan de Jongh has hardly set the competition alight this year,…”
Why is it so difficult for some of you to understand? The fury has MORE to do with certain players INCLUDED in the squad than about players left out.
To satisfy some of us, maybe you can give us valid reasons WHY the following players are in the team. Forget about the players who were left out. Please, give rugby reasons and don’t just say that they were Meyer’s choices.
Zane Kirchener
JJ Engelbrecht
Wynand Olivier
Jano Vermaak
Ryan Kankowski
Jaques Potgieter (injured)
Franco vd Merwe
Flip vd Merwe
5 Jun 2012, 13:02 pm
@Stormers supporters: Cry me a river!(Horings)-402:
Ons sal dans, maar nie vir k@k nie maar vir regverdigheid.
5 Jun 2012, 13:03 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-398:
5 Jun 2012, 13:03 pm
Hoe ironies. Die verraaiers in die Kaap is agter die Engelse en ons staan maar agter die Bokke. Some things do not change. Even in more than a century’s time.
5 Jun 2012, 13:03 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-400:
your concern is noted.
how do you KNOW he wouldn’t have picked them.
they are three of the stormers best players.
you are as bad as pdeigreebumchum.
will you be shouting for the poms on saturday with sherrif?
5 Jun 2012, 13:04 pm
Tony Johnson on Brussouw’s omission….
I must say I am intrigued…puzzled even, by some aspects of Heyneke Meyer’s first Springbok selection. There is an interesting contrast between the non-selection of Heinrich Brussow for the Boks, and the inclusion of Ali Williams and Piri Weepu for the All Blacks, decisions that have met with criticism in their respective countries.
None of those three have been in great form this year, but the new All Black selection panel have shown loyalty and put faith in Weepu and Williams to produce their best at the top level as they have done so often in the past.
No such loyalty or faith has been shown to Brussow, which I find extraordinary. He sits on the same level as David Pocock and Richie McCaw as the best ball-on-the-ground men in the game.
The new coach has certainly gone for size, but being close to the ground (a nice way of saying short-ish) can actually be an asset for an openside flanker, or fetcher as you say in SA, and has never been a hindrance to Brussow’s game.
I read that Heyneke Meyer believes he is not doing so well since the breakdown laws were tinkered with, but I have a bit of trouble with that, given how good he was last year when the same laws applied.
It has always been my contention that the injury to Brussow was a huge factor in the Springboks’ early exit from the Rugby World Cup…had he been on the field he would have negated the free pass David Pocock was given by referee Bryce Lawrence at the breakdown. I think the All Blacks won’t be too sad if Brussow is not going to be there come the Rugby Championship.
5 Jun 2012, 13:04 pm
@Stormers supporters: Cry me a river!(Horings)-402: Awesome Nick, cuzzie… Says it all.
5 Jun 2012, 13:05 pm
@nama1(nama1)-405: They are not chokers. All Province players are!
5 Jun 2012, 13:06 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-400:
Taking out De Jongh and Aplon – who Meyer clearly doesn’t rate – who are the players that should feel agrieved that they are not there?
General consensus outside of Cape Town is that Duvenage isn’t one of the top 3 scrummies in the country.
Grant has reached his ceiling and it is generally understood (again, outside of Cape Town) that he will never be the Bok flyhalf.
Kolisi will be there within 1 year.
Koster is not one of the top loosies in the country.
Burger and Vermeulen will be there.
Bekker and Etsebeth are there.
Kitshoff is 20, and will no doubt be there in the next 3-4 years. Malherbe is already in the fringe group.
Liebenberg and Brok the Rock will never be there.
So tell me, who other than Aplon and de Jongh were done the terrible injustice that you guys seem to be experiencing?
5 Jun 2012, 13:06 pm
Tony Johnson on the 3 Stormers Saga…
I have to admit I didn’t think the Stormers would beat the Bulls, I doubted the Hurricanes would beat the Waratahs, and I certainly didn’t see the Lions beating the Sharks….not when the Sharks had been so great the previous week. Those three results have really thrown a cat amongst the pigeons.
Just when people were starting the think the Stormers were going off track, they came up with a brilliant defensive effort at Loftus, complemented by some sharp attacking play when it was needed. Do I read it right…are there really only three Stormers players in the Springbok squad?
5 Jun 2012, 13:06 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-396: Well, let’s agree to disagree until he loses his 1st test shall we? That will either blow my theory out of the water or:………….
I will continue to distrust the man for now, and you can continue to throw petals at his feet. Whatever happens in this 1st year – I predict a rather entertaining ride.
5 Jun 2012, 13:07 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-413:
It’s only those 2 we wanted to see there. Du Jongh & Appies ahead of JJ & Wynand.
Is that asking too much?
5 Jun 2012, 13:08 pm
@Stormers supporters: Cry me a river!(Horings)-408: And leave it to someone like you to drag the Anglo-Boer war into it. I actually rest my case.
5 Jun 2012, 13:08 pm
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-416:
So that’s what all of this is about?
The Dancing Duo?
5 Jun 2012, 13:09 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-397: It’s not about how I’m perceived here. It’s about how I’m perceived in life, but more importantly whether I feel that the person that I am is consistently how i behave. I don’t think that one should come onto a forum and throw away one’s identity just because no one knows who you are.
Remember, the test of one’s character in not who you are when someone is watching, but who you are when no one is watching.
You know that of course, being a pretty consistent person.
I’m not trying to hold myself up as a paragon of virtue mind you, there are posts of mine that I’m not particularly proud of, just as there are actions of mine in life that I feel the same about. But honest to myself I am on this blog.
I get enough decent Rugby chat from those on here who do like to debate reasonably (like yourself, whether I agree with you or not) for it to be worthwhile for me. The rest, well, their problems are theirs. They don’t affect me, as much as they would love it to be so. Amusement factor only. Like clowns at a circus.
As for how long I’ve been blogging here, I can’t remember. Somewhere around 2005 or 2006. Not always regularly though
5 Jun 2012, 13:09 pm
Sheriff @ 336.
What exactly is your problem with Afrikaners?
5 Jun 2012, 13:10 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-411:
That’s BlouBul Horing in a pink dress.
5 Jun 2012, 13:11 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-418:
You still haven’t figured it out?
5 Jun 2012, 13:11 pm
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-410:
Hello Mr Johnson
If you want loyalty in South Africa
Play for the Bulls… The only loyalty you will get here. Remember things work differently here in South Africa…
5 Jun 2012, 13:11 pm
For the love of Abba, it’s Tuesday lunchtime. When are the indignant, insulted Stormers going to change into dry undies and get on with life?
5 Jun 2012, 13:12 pm
@Stormers supporters: Cry me a river!(Horings)-408:
Enigste veraaier is HM.
His loyalty lies with the Bulls not Boks.
5 Jun 2012, 13:12 pm
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-410: Beyond all the “North”/”South” petty quota emotionalism, the omission of Brussouw is actually the most intriguing… Especially in light of the fact that England has no specialist fetcher – Whatever the new conventional wisdom of a fetcher’s comparative redundancy to a couple of years back.
Maybe Heyneke Meyer believes he has that covered by the fetching ability of Bismarck or may actually be convinced that no fetching required if cleanouts are aggressive and fast enough, with enough numbers at the breakdown… Maybe Heyneke about to unleash some sort of Blitz clearing techniques that will ensure “fetching” truly is redundant with regards to current law interpretations?
5 Jun 2012, 13:13 pm
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-414:
Oh yes Mr Johnson three indeed…
5 Jun 2012, 13:13 pm
Aus & Scotland locked at 6-6 with 3 minutes to go.
Scots looking for a penalty or drop kick set up now.
5 Jun 2012, 13:13 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-404: Nope. Just consistent and honest. If that by extension makes you feel bad then those are your issues, not mine and I can’t help you with that.
And lets be honest here. Any badge that you feel worthy of me is not a badge I would ever wear.
But thanks for the effort.
5 Jun 2012, 13:14 pm
Put it this way:
If Matfield, Spies and Bakkies were injured when the Bulls were at the height of their power, I would have accepted a Bok team with only Morne Steyn, Du Preez and maybe Gurthro (although he was usually second choice after Beast) in it.
Same thing with Burger, Bekker and Vermeulen injured.
5 Jun 2012, 13:14 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-415:
who is throwing petals at his feet.
and why do you distrust him so?
there are plenty of selections I don’t agree with.
but you have appointed yourself judge jury and executioner.
never mind, I’m sure it sounds good around the fire.
meanwhile Scots are looking good.
let’s hope that isnt an omen.
5 Jun 2012, 13:15 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-413: A good post in plain language. Easily understandable and most of all right….
Which will no doubt infuriate the cackling “southern” masses to distraction…
5 Jun 2012, 13:15 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-426:
He picked Bismarck as his fetcher, saying hookers steal more ball than opensiders with the current laws.
5 Jun 2012, 13:15 pm
People like Tac were telling us how good it is that Meyer is going to get uniyformity in the playing style of all the representitive teams in SA.
Well, if the style is going to be what the baby Boks dished up last night, then we are in for klomp snot en trane over the next few years.
Nevertheless, GO BOKKE. BASH, BAsh, Bash the Poms in their moer.
5 Jun 2012, 13:15 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-358: he said that there is only two kinds of rugby – winning rugby and losing rugby.
Get it?
5 Jun 2012, 13:16 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-424:
I swear Keo made an arrangement with HM! It diverts from the real issue for sure…
5 Jun 2012, 13:16 pm
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-425: Maybe Heyneke wants potential trophy winners, not chokers.
5 Jun 2012, 13:16 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-430:
So at that point would you have picked Pedrie ahead of Schalk or whoever else you had ahead of Juan Smit?
Or Gary Botha ahead of Barney?
Oh that happened and we saw how that panned out didnt we…
5 Jun 2012, 13:17 pm
@RL(RL)-435:
Don’t only read a section. Come back with the rest of the article…
5 Jun 2012, 13:17 pm
@nama1(nama1)-434:
You know what, you’re right. Meyer should have brought an expansive, risk taking, creative approach for the Boks first test.
He has a whole 4 days to drill it into the team.
I wonder why he didn’t think of that.
5 Jun 2012, 13:17 pm
@Stormers supporters: Cry me a river!(Horings)-437:
2 sides choked this weekend, and they’re the core of the Bok squad.
Figure that.
5 Jun 2012, 13:18 pm
SCOTLAND have a penalty kick to beat the AUSSIES.
Time on clock is done.
5 Jun 2012, 13:19 pm
SCOTLAND
SCOTLAND
SCOTLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!
5 Jun 2012, 13:20 pm
Well well the midget Aussies could not beat the Scots.
5 Jun 2012, 13:20 pm
Wales are gonna take this sorry bunch as well.
5 Jun 2012, 13:20 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-424:
Indeed.
Concened in Claremont
Disgusted in Durbanville
Outraged in Observatory
Ticked off in Tokai
as well as Miffed in Milnerton are all ripe for an underwear change.
Chafe is a real possibility.
5 Jun 2012, 13:20 pm
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-441:
Yeah you’re right. Meyer should have picked all the Lions players in place of the Sharks.
Again, I can’t understand why he didn’t think of that..
5 Jun 2012, 13:20 pm
Stuart Barnes knows best..
5 Jun 2012, 13:21 pm
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-443:
What game was this? U20? Or a real test? And if so, why is it in the middle of the week?
5 Jun 2012, 13:21 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-440: Not in a final.
5 Jun 2012, 13:22 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-429: Noddy badge only…
And no, I dont “feel bad”… Why should I? No Bambi slaughtered yet, yes?…
And realise this before your “real” ego really gets the better of you: Your “honesty” is truly “appreciated” like water off a duck’s back because I don’t know “you” beyond your Keo moniker despite all protests that “Moniker” = “Real” you…
PS. No effort required… A bit of an absent minded post really
5 Jun 2012, 13:22 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-449:
Test Rugby.
I don’t know who thought they’re so smart to organise 2 Tests in 1 week in Australia.
9 – 6 to Scotland.
5 Jun 2012, 13:22 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-430: Look at Nama 405. Stormers supporters only really have problems with Aplon and de Jongh not being there. It’s the inclusion of all the other nobodies like J. Potgieter that’s got me hot under the collar.
5 Jun 2012, 13:23 pm
@Stormers supporters: Cry me a river!(Horings)-412:
Not bigger chokers than some of the players in the squad.
Frans
Lambie
Alberts
Beast
Bissie
Jannie
Think Super 14 final 2009.
Any other reason/s that you can think off.
5 Jun 2012, 13:24 pm
@Stormers supporters: Cry me a river!(Horings)-444: Nor could our behemoths in similar weather the last time the Boks played them.
5 Jun 2012, 13:25 pm
@TooMuchRugby(TooMuchRugby)-453:
Meyer wants to donner the English into submission at the collission points.
That’s why we have Jacques Potgieter, Willem Alberts, this Coetzee chap in the team.
And that’s why Duane Vermeulen and Burger would apparently also have been there.
You must remember that the era of Dewald Potgieter and Deon Stegmann only came about after Meyer had left the Bulls.
In his days, the loose trio were:
Anton Leonard
Pedrie Wannenburg
Danie Rossouw
Jacques Cronje
Spot the midget in that line up.
5 Jun 2012, 13:26 pm
@nama1(nama1)-454: 2007? Only Jannie, Bissie, and Frans was in that team but they did win a final in 2008 and 2010.
5 Jun 2012, 13:27 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-409:
I won’t be shouting for the Poms. But I will sure as hell critisise HM if he continue to select teams like this. My big issue is that Bull/Shark supporters call people who dare to critisize Meyer traitors and in the process conveniently forgetting how they critisized P d V (Remember Ricky January, Adi Jacobs.. etc)
Some people here reckons HM is a god or something very close to one.
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-413:
Just some thoughts- as you know everybody have their own ideas and thoughts on players, so it’s not science:
De Jongh- for Olivier who has showed on numerous occations that he is not of international standards
Aplon – arguably the best impact- back in SA
Elstadt- ahead of the bloke from Despatch with the dislocated knee
Kolisi- MOM in three super rugby games this year – why must he wait another 2 years while other 20 year olds are “old ” enough
Joe P- what has Kitchner done to deserve a place ahead of him
and Kitshoff and Malherbe of course.
Too busy at work, so i apologise for the “shorthand”
5 Jun 2012, 13:37 pm
Heyneke Meyer is so skeel, as hy huil loop sy trane op sy rug..
5 Jun 2012, 13:38 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-456: Yeah it’s true, but J. Potgieter is just another ducktail mercenary who has’nt proven anything except that he can deliver some well timed high and/or late tackles and he is injured
- Olivier is a has been walking shampoo ad
- Kankowski was good, but not this year and he is not at all the kind of player you say HM likes
- Kirchner is certainly not better than Joe P
- JJ Engelbrecht still has too prove himself
- Kruger (prop) is a cry-baby who folds when really under pressure
- Marcell Coetzee, Alberts and Jano Vermaak good choices – no problem with that
5 Jun 2012, 13:38 pm
@nama1(nama1)-454:
How the ******* is are those players (besides F Steyn S14 2007) chokers or am i reading you wrong ????
5 Jun 2012, 13:43 pm
@TooMuchRugby(TooMuchRugby)-453: Got the likes of you “hot under the collar” but actually really enthused the likes of me…
I have really enjoyed his play this year… Reminds me a lot of a young Schalk before his pretensions of being a “link” man, just getting in the way of the 10, and fcking up the backline.
I wouldnt half mind seeing a mad young guns loose trio made up of Coetzee, Kolisi and Potgieter being let loose some time….I know its an unbalanced combo and will not see the light of day, but jeez I could only imagine the chaos in opposing backlines…
A real Wolf Pack.
5 Jun 2012, 13:44 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-458: I agree, but not on Elstadt. He is a tough player, but to me he doesn’t look fit enough for flank and he has too work on his discipline. I don’t think he is by nature a dirty player, but he may suffer from a case of misplaced aggression.
5 Jun 2012, 13:47 pm
The Test referee is Steve Walsh, bad news for the Poms
An eccentric guy in the fast lane, makes him vulnerable because the need to sustain his new life in Sydney.
5 Jun 2012, 13:48 pm
@Hondo(Hondo)-464: wut?
5 Jun 2012, 13:52 pm
@Hondo(Hondo)-464:
on top of which
he’s not really very good at reffing
5 Jun 2012, 13:55 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-379:
How many trophies have the current crop of Bulls players won?
How many of them was in the team that won the S14 title in 2010? Can anybody who start to play for the Bulls from now an claim to be a cup winner?
@Stormers supporters: Cry me a river!(Horings)-457:
My bad.
JPP? Wasn’t he there also?
@FFF(FFF)-461:
Some of them were also in the team that lost in the final seconds.
Hence…CHOKERS!!!
See Horings’ response (412) to my original question (405) and then take it from there.
5 Jun 2012, 13:55 pm
@TooMuchRugby(TooMuchRugby)-463:
Agree re the discipline – he is a bit of a loose cannon and was already sent off when he played for the junior Boks 2 years ago.
As a player he is however more than a handful -he is the only bloke who I have seen manhandling Alberts with ease – and he is getting better and better as he is regaining full match fitness after his long injury.
Perhaps his best position will eventually be at no 4 lock though.
5 Jun 2012, 13:58 pm
@houston, we have a problem…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-466:
the guy is a clown, remember the 16 Poms on the field’s scandal in 2003?
That’s a pre-requisit for the appointment
I thought the IRB would appoint Chris Pollok, a far better referee than Walsh, considered Wayne Barens and Kaplan are both ruled out due to their affiliation
5 Jun 2012, 13:59 pm
@houston, we have a problem…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-466:
My wife is the only person I know who likes him.
She says he is better looking than about 90% of all the players.
Not better conditioned, just better looking.
5 Jun 2012, 14:01 pm
@Hondo(Hondo)-464:
I see on the other thread that you claim I was comparing Kirchener’s and Lambie’s playing abilities.
That was not what I was doing.
I was merely pointing out that if it is true that Meyer prefer SIZE, than Kirchener should be his 1st choice at FB ahead of little Lambie.
According to some people who was at the practise, it looks as if Kirchener WILL start ahead of Lambie on Saturday. Skills has nothing to do with being selected in the Meyer era, or very little at least.
Size is everything.
5 Jun 2012, 14:01 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-465:
Just implying, can’t say it openly
A guy with a chekered past is vulnerable to offers of gold rolexes
5 Jun 2012, 14:07 pm
Did anyone watch the JongBokkies get beaten last night. I only saw the last 20 mins, and it was obvious to me that the scrumhalf that came on as a replacement, was instructed to play the same kind of kicking game as is being forced upon Hougaard at the Bulls. It backfired on them, because it was not his natural game. My prediction is that it will soon backfire on the Bulls and unfortunately the Boks also.
Can the coaches not see this? It even obvious to me, and I used to be a prop!
5 Jun 2012, 14:11 pm
@Hondo(Hondo)-469:
fark, was he a touch judge in that game? i think kaplan was the ref ? i do remember him being suspended or something for an altercation with the english staff in that tourny.
@Robzim(Robzim)-470:
better looking..?..
in a ‘kieren read come hither and pk me’ kinda way.
5 Jun 2012, 14:11 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-419:
excellent post…
could not have said it better myself…
5 Jun 2012, 14:11 pm
@nama1(nama1)-471:
I was surprised when you mentuioned him, couldn’t recall you rated Kirchner before?
The guy is a mockery, drops high balls, gets isolated often and turns it over at will, never seen as the last tackler on a cover defence either.
I wrote on Sunday that Aplon and JdJ are miles ahead of Kirchner and Basson and nothing happened since for me to think otherwise.
Taute would be my choice though.
5 Jun 2012, 14:13 pm
BTW. Did anyone notice HMs contradiction in explaining why Brussow wasn’t picked? He stated that the role of fetcher was negated by the new rules which constantly penalised them, he then went on to say that hookers were getting the turnovers now. I’m still trying to work out why hookers don’t get blown whilst fetchers do.
5 Jun 2012, 14:15 pm
@Hondo(Hondo)-469:
yes, that right.
it was the same game and he was the fourth official. he suspended for swearing at one of the english for having told the 16th player to go on.
5 Jun 2012, 14:17 pm
@TooMuchRugby(TooMuchRugby)-473: You bloody lucky you didn’t see the run on scrummie then. A little Bulls dude named Abrie Griesel – the most woeful performance I have seen from a player, at any level, in any country – ever. He box kicked like it was 1999, and spent the rest of the time, well I’m actually not sure what he did the rest of the time, and I was there. Biggest cheer of the night was when he was replaced, and that happiness was short lived – a true display of all that is wrong with our rugby in general. I guess the little guy to instruction – and when it bombed he had no clue what to do next (when for starters he could have focused on his dreadfully slow service)
5 Jun 2012, 14:21 pm
@David(David)-477: The irony is if you look at the stats, Bismarck who is supposed to fulfil the fetcher role now conceded more penalties thus far in the Super15 than Brussouw.
5 Jun 2012, 14:25 pm
@David(David)-477:
@TooMuchRugby(TooMuchRugby)-480:
Good posts and really that sums up this squad selection for me.
Contradictions, cover ups & lies.
5 Jun 2012, 14:25 pm
@David(David)-477: Meyer doesn’t seem to care if those that actually understand the whole rugby thing can see he is talking out of his pipe. (The very thing you mention is being questioned all over the rugby playing world) Meyer only seems to care that his very large and very ignorant at times ‘fan base’ believe what he says. He makes a statement like the Brussow one – and his flock in unison say, “ahhhhhhhhh, we knew there was a legitimate reason, great call coach”. Case closed. Brussow was left out because Meyer wants a wrecking crew (how the Sugar Plum fairy fits into this hell knows), not a loose trio. Brussow is too small for the Meyer blueprint, and playing Brussow would mean Spies can’t be played at 8, as there would then only be one physical monster on the field – the poor sod selected at 7. Meyer is a comedy of inconsistency at this stage – what he preaches and what he does don’t seem to add up just yet. The most glaring example is even having Spies close to the change room when Meyer believes in dominating the collisions.
5 Jun 2012, 14:26 pm
@David(David)-477: Actually the top 10 for “Breakdown won possession” per Verusco is dominated by loose forwards = Coenie and Bismarck being the only exceptions.
5 Jun 2012, 14:27 pm
@David(David)-477:
Bissie does get called by the refs
5 Jun 2012, 14:28 pm
@ryecatcher(ryecatcher)-420:
What a lovely question. I mean it.
Mate I actually don’t have anything against Afrikaans speaking white (or is that pinkish) people. Afrikaans or Cape Dutch is my mother tongue, its the language I grew up with and understand best.
Moreover, its the language that I can express myself best in.
Afrikanerdom is a fairly recent initiative to create a economic, religious and cultural system as a means to exclude others and exalt the self. That is what nationalism was really all about. Now there’s a lot more that I can say but would prefer not to in keeping with the purpose of this forum.
In our society we find a lot of things where the paradigms of that system manifests itself. Its what I sometimes call that ‘liewe-hiesus’ mentality which is nothing but ‘skynheiligheid’
Pretty harsh I know but if you probe me you will battle to find someone who loves Afrikaans more than me. And so we have to separate the system from the people…
5 Jun 2012, 14:29 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-482:
Another one.
For someone of Heyneke’s supposed rugby nous he’s surely left a lot of space for non-believers to poke holes in his statements.
Yet BlueBok fans are still calling a +12 victory Saturday.
5 Jun 2012, 14:30 pm
@Bokhoring(Bokhoring)-483:
Oh, so Coenie is his other fetcher. Good call HM.
5 Jun 2012, 14:33 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-482: Ja Nee. Typical Afrikaner mentality. “Ons het die Boere Oorlog gewen en ons kan almal met geweld opdonder” Die probleem is ons het nie op die ou end die Boere Oorlog gewen nie
Before somebody tells me otherwise – I’m supposed to be an Afrikaner myself.
5 Jun 2012, 14:33 pm
@houston, we have a problem…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-478:
I believe he is vulnerable, supporting a new start at Sidney on a rugby reff’s salary is tough,
5 Jun 2012, 14:35 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-485: Jy praat alweer kak, ou pêl. Is that all you know?
5 Jun 2012, 14:36 pm
I love RSA! What a country.
HM has not even had his first game yet, and already he is a kak coach contradicting himself. LOL
He was a good coach when the Bulls & Leicester Tigers won under him, but all that is gone, and he has suddenly become a kak coach.
Love it. Its like we have the Malema fraternity blogging. Nobody is going to let logic ruin a good old fashioned whinge & complaint.
Once again – I will reserve my judgement on Meyer (I am neither pro or against him at this stage) till the end of the year when he has had a chance to demonstrate his abilities with the Boks, not before.
5 Jun 2012, 14:38 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-482:
To be fair, he did say that Brussow was still in his plans. I suppose he couldn’t say that with Spies at 8 he had to add some actual aggression.
He’s probably thinking at playing Brussow when Vermeulen (8) and Schalk (7) come back.
To be honest, he doesn’t seem to make any more sense than PdeV did when he opened his mouth. He’s just less colourful.
5 Jun 2012, 14:39 pm
@TooMuchRugby(TooMuchRugby)-488: And there I was thinking us Souties won all the way til the late 1940′s when the Nats took power… But then again maybe I’ve read different history books and live a different reality to the fantastical reality displayed on this site by the “southern” squealers…
5 Jun 2012, 14:41 pm
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-487: Look I am concerned about no Brussouw. However HM is the coach and he obviously has a plan and selects players to that plan.
So I for one will judge him on the results of his plan and selections. Really no point for everyone to throw their toys out the cot even before the first game.
5 Jun 2012, 14:41 pm
@Hondo(Hondo)-484:
HM doesn’t seem to think so.
5 Jun 2012, 14:42 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-485: Well said. Nowhere will you find a bigger “Liewe hiesus” mentality than in Pretoria and in particular the hallways of Blue Bull HQ.
5 Jun 2012, 14:42 pm
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-486: Anyone who isn’t looking at the man as though he is the 2nd coming can and will poke holes in his statements. My puppy could do it if he left his marrow bone alone long enough to ‘read’ Meyer’s comments. I want the Boks to beat England (as watching Chris Ashton celebrate anything in this country would throw me over the edge), but this absolute blind arrogance that because Meyer is now coach we will roll the English without breaking a sweat is ridiculous. That’s very much the attitude that sunk the Baby Boks last night.
5 Jun 2012, 14:42 pm
I hear that there are a few Saffers living in Argentina nowadays? If this is true, and they have a blog there about rugby, I pity old GH if he makes a few picks that the public dont like.
We all know that the out and out running game he chose had its flaws when poorly executed. Think back to when the AB’s lost to SA & AUS. He made all those dubious selections, kept playing Mils when clearly there were some youngsters who showed form.
Poor GH, he will be chastised badly in Argentina!
LOL
5 Jun 2012, 14:44 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-490:
Verlede week het die skare verskriklik ge-BOE. REaksie van my kant af was dat dit onaanvaarbaar is.
5 Jun 2012, 14:45 pm
I would scarify mobility with beasts such as Albert, Jacques Cronje, Deysel or JvN along with a high work rate No 4 like Etsbeth or Skykes in the line up specifically to ensure the inclusion of Brussow!
And I have no issue to include Stegmann if Brussow is injured!
HM squad selection on its face defies rugby thinking, implies he might know something we don’t?
5 Jun 2012, 14:45 pm
@BULLET(BULLET)-498:
Who is GH? Games Heaven???
5 Jun 2012, 14:45 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-482: I agree Spies and Kirchner should be nowhere near the bok side but surely you have some confidence that HM has a plan here?
5 Jun 2012, 14:45 pm
OMG, HG is here. There goes all changes of having a logical conversation about rugby!
5 Jun 2012, 14:47 pm
all the posters who keep pointing fingers saying that violence at the breakdown is archaic and complaining about the stormers being left out of the team and how the “violence at the collisions” will not win games and then point out that the stormers are top of the SA log, you need to take a good hard look at how the stormers got to the log.
Its been nothing but violence at the collision points. that is the backbone of the stormers defence that has nor propped them up as much as its kept other teams down.
how dynamic has the stormers been on attack this season? puhlease.
they have been playing boring HM bulls rugby and have been good at it.
why?
it works.
care to deny it?
5 Jun 2012, 14:48 pm
@Hondo(Hondo)-472: What you talking’ about, Willis? You accuse refs of cheating every week. What is so different about this one?
5 Jun 2012, 14:49 pm
@roobarb2(roobarb2)-504:
Did you see Kolisi sneak past JJ and WO? Go look and see how good the attack was…
5 Jun 2012, 14:49 pm
@BULLET(BULLET)-498: It actually not Saffa’s doing the “chastising”… Its Cape Tonians… And there is really beginning to be a glaring distinction between the 2.
Almost like 2 different nationalities here.
I actually wouldnt be surprised if these okes reckon their side is actually better than the Boks…
5 Jun 2012, 14:49 pm
I mean if we are going to regress why don’t we just bring Louis Luiheid ® back as the President of SA Rugby
5 Jun 2012, 14:50 pm
@David(David)-495:
Same error of judgement as JW’s infamouse beer fetching comment prior to the 0:49 drubbing
5 Jun 2012, 14:52 pm
@TooMuchRugby(TooMuchRugby)-503: Come give some “logical” rugby conversation then… I haven’t seen any yet from the majority of the patently whiny, hysterical bunch of squealers here…
Show that rational rugby reason… The stage is yours.
5 Jun 2012, 14:52 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-499: Waarvan praat jy?
5 Jun 2012, 14:55 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-511:
Gaan kyk mooi na hoe daai sin geskryf is
5 Jun 2012, 14:56 pm
@BULLET(BULLET)-498:
Sir Graham Henry:
- IRB International Coach of the Year, 2005,2006,2008,2010,2011.
- New Zealand’s Coach of the Year, 2006, 2011.
- His success with Wales resulted in him being given the nickname “the Great Redeemer”
- AB winning percentage of 85% .
- Several Super 12 titles with the Blues.
Somehow I think Ted will get by in Argentina.
Anyway he is only an Advisor.
So he can’t lose.
5 Jun 2012, 14:57 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-506: are you seriously going to point out that fluke and on the basis of that accuse the stormers of being an attaking side?
srsly?
5 Jun 2012, 14:57 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-510: Ok – what are your thoughts on Zane Kirchner and Morne Steyn starting ahead of Pat Lambie, the best 10 and 15 in South Africa?
5 Jun 2012, 14:57 pm
@BULLET(BULLET)-491: Spot on Bullet.
5 Jun 2012, 15:00 pm
@cane(cane)-513:
Arguably the best coach in the modern era
No one can touch his record
Why is JK now Sir JK? Is it because he scored a try in Auckland in 1987?
5 Jun 2012, 15:00 pm
@roobarb2(roobarb2)-514:
Are you seriously going to say the Lions are the best attacking side because they ran holes in the worst defensive side? No! If the Bulls are such an attacking side why so little tries against the Stormers then… Oh of course because they know how to defend. Sorry defense has no place in modern rugby…
5 Jun 2012, 15:00 pm
Keo is actually becoming a fascinating window into the evolving psyche of the Western Cape Rugby supporter specimen…
Some characteristics:
Self righteous
An undoubted attitude of superiority over the Rest of SA
An incredible sense of entitlement related to a feeling of privilege
No stranger to hypocrisy
Irrational hate of all things Blue
A feeling of being “special”
Funny thing is the WC rugby fan might actually be a microcosm of the WC inhabitant…
Who seems to carry more and more an attitude of “us and them” to the rest of the Country…
5 Jun 2012, 15:01 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-512: Ek dink nie so nie. Jy’s ‘n kakprater, en ek het te min tyd.
5 Jun 2012, 15:07 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-520:
Ek het al vergeet met wie ek praat; gaan kyk watter letters het ek in hoofletters gespel en kyk watter woord vorm dit
Jy lyk my het ‘n permanente probleem met tydsbestuur en swak van begrip – en swak gemanierd
5 Jun 2012, 15:10 pm
You know one thing I will say about the Kanko selection, is not only does he have Bok experience, but unlike most people on the team sheet, he’s fresh. He hasn’t played much rugby in this S15 where others have been played almost into the ground. I’m not his biggest fan but we may come to see the benefits of that.
5 Jun 2012, 15:14 pm
Ok, so it is 15:11 on a Tuesday afternoon and this place is still going off it’s rocker about the Bok selections…
Jees!!! Nobody here can or will have any influence in this regard, so, arguing about it the whole time since Saturday evening is kind of pointless…
Anybody here want to talk about the game on Saturday or should I wait till Friday for normality to return???
5 Jun 2012, 15:16 pm
@Yetirat(Yetirat)-522:
Kanko is a shocker of a selection; he has been given opportunities galore and has failed to justify his almost permanent selection over the last few years.
Keegan Daniel can fulfill that role a lot better; he brings an injection of pace and high workrate, which will benefit the Boks; he has taken his level of play up this year, no doubt about it
5 Jun 2012, 15:16 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-518: you missed my point completely and (i suspect) on purpose…
defence has a fundamental place in modern rugby (and in all rugby in the past) and defence is part structure and part collision.
if other teams cannot score against you, then they cant beat you, simple.
why then are the stormers bleating about choosing a team that can dominate collisions, based on stats over 14 games, and body size?
its “modern rugby” when the stormers do it, but “archaic” when someone else does it?
the stormers have been playing “Bulls Rugby” all season and look where they are.
and its NOT been through dymanic attacking rugby. you talk about flair of Aplon and De Jong. where then are all the bucketloads of tries that they have created? Or scored?
oh right, they havent… they dont feature at all on the stats. Gio has scored 5 tries. Basson 8.
Aplon or JDJ dont feature AT ALL on the line-break stats, or running metere stats. For a defending side JDJ doesnt feature in the top 20 of the defensiev stats, they’re invisible to anyone who is not blinded by allegiance to the hoops.
Just sayin.
5 Jun 2012, 15:17 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-517:
John Kirwin was Knighted for his services to Mental Health.
JK, one of our very greatest Rugby Players, suffered from depression as an AB. And most likely continues with this illness.
He became a spokes-person for mental heath.
Not one single NZer would begrudge JK the honour bestowed upon him.
5 Jun 2012, 15:17 pm
ARISE SIR JOHN
Former All Blacks great John Kirwan, who has also coached Italy and Japan at Rugby World Cups as well as being an advocate for sufferers of depression, was honoured with a knighthood on Monday.
The 47-year-old was named a Knight Companion of the New Zealand Order of Merit in the country’s Queen’s Birthday honours list for his services to mental health and rugby union.
Kirwan, who played 63 tests for the All Blacks, has become a campaigner for mental health issues and written about his own battle with depression in the book “All Blacks Don’t Cry”.
“There were scary times because of the stigma attached to depression, but I have tried to break those down because it is an illness, not a weakness,” he told the New Zealand Herald.
He said he thought long and hard about accepting the knighthood and did so “on behalf of all those people who are suffering, to show there is hope.
“My main message is that there is always hope, there is always help, there is always a way out of the troubles.”
Kirwan has appeared at the Rugby World Cup five times, as an All Black player in 1987 and 1991, and as the coach of Italy in 2003, and Japan in 2007 and 2011.
Former assistant All Blacks coaches Steve Hansen and Wayne Smith were both made Companions of the New Zealand Order of Merit for their part in the team’s World Cup victory last October.
The then head coach Graham Henry had already been knighted in the New Year’s honours list, when captain Richie McCaw turned down the offer of an immediate knighthood saying it did not seem appropriate while he was still playing.
© Sapa – AFP
5 Jun 2012, 15:18 pm
@cane(cane)-526:
hahaha
snap dragons…!!!
5 Jun 2012, 15:19 pm
Congratulations JK…!!
5 Jun 2012, 15:20 pm
@cane(cane)-526:
Fair enough cane
5 Jun 2012, 15:22 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-515: Hairdresser, I really doubt you understand this rugby thing… You know, the 15 man team game that engenders feelings of brotherhood amongst team mates who have bled together?
Nevertheless I will humour you with an answer.
Morne Steyn is a better option especially for this game on Sat for which the Boks have had minimum prep time for the following fairly rational reasons:
- Familiarity with Hougaard that Pat doesn’t have
- Proven match winner regarding taking pressure penalties and is a drop goal specialist.
- Underrated but excellent distribution
- Understands what Meyer wants from a flyhalf… Remember he had to work hard to win over Meyer who rated Hougaard more highly at first.
Lambie is a more dynamic, take it to the advantage line FH… A possession is 9/10ths of the law type flyhalf. However regarding current law interpretations, actually keeping possession of the ball and playing constructive offensive rugby can disadvantage a team – an aspect of “modern” rugby the Stormers have taken advantage of.
In context of this test, I believe that having a back three Sharks combination may have been a good option for reasons of familiarity. But then again the Sharks back 3 have proven vulnerable under high ball…England are going to bomb. Actually, the difference between England and the Boks in the first test regarding tactics will probably be Jersey colour. Therefore Kirchner might actually be a more solid option to start with at 15…
I will be disappointed should one of my favourite players not start on Sat at 15 or 10, however I certainly will not be throwing my toys and changing allegiance to England if Lambie only starts on the bench….
5 Jun 2012, 15:23 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-517: Probably very close but I reckon some of the aussie coaches would come close…EG Eddie Jone. They had a lot less to work with than GH…although GH is clearly one of the best coaches of all time.
5 Jun 2012, 15:28 pm
I cant believe all the fuss about this squad. Meyer has said it is with the England tour in mind, and other players will get opportunities in the 4 nations. Lets see how this squad goes before complaining. But for injuries, the makeup would look different.
HG
You remain an idiot. Come down to Cape Town you hate so much, and tell us in person how you feel about it.
Until then, you are just some idiot with false behind the keyboard bravery.
Didnt your humble pie on the weekend have any affect on you?
5 Jun 2012, 15:28 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-519: Get off your high horse you sanctimonious twat. My God, you go on and on like a hysterical teenage girl. The biggest primadonna since G10 but you fill those ballet shoes to perfection. We get it. You support the Boks. Well so do we so get off your self-righteous treadmill and come back when you have something intelligent or original to offer. The rest of the cr ap we have heard as nauseum.
5 Jun 2012, 15:29 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-531: So you are going to be more than happy with Lambie warming the bench moving forward, to infinity and beyond. Fair enough. I’m just keen to see if the Sharks contingent will be as vociferous in their support of all things Meyer if things get iffy. (For some reason, most of the pro Sharks I know are horrified at the thought of Zane starting at 15 – but that’s them I suppose.)
5 Jun 2012, 15:31 pm
@cane(cane)-526:
I met JK when he was involved with Auckland Blues.
Had an interesting chat about the reasons why he refused to travel to SA with the Cavaliers.
He was young and a rising star but decided not to tour because of his non- racial beliefs.
He said the money they were offered was unheard of in those years.
5 Jun 2012, 15:31 pm
@ufo(ufo)-528:
Thanks for that UFO.
Your post explains things a lot better than mine. (as usual).
8)
5 Jun 2012, 15:33 pm
@Stawm(Stawm)-533: I will be in Cape Town quite a few times this year unfortunately… When I do go I will be sure to let you know, so that you can come and hear from me in person how I feel about it, should it be that important to you…
Then you can be as “brave” as you want you want to be… in real life outside Keo…
Dumbfck
5 Jun 2012, 15:36 pm
@stormer in a teacup(stormer in a teacup)-534: I go on “like a hysterical teenage girl”… Do you actually realise how ironic your statement is considering the constant wailing on this site since Saturday night…
Only me?
Just me?
You another dumfck hypocrite like this Stawmy character.
5 Jun 2012, 15:37 pm
@Stawm(Stawm)-533:
Go on
Invite the fecker for drinks
I’ll “organise” things
5 Jun 2012, 15:38 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-539:
You been deflecting your lionraping with this “North/South” fallacy since Sunday.
We all see through it.
5 Jun 2012, 15:38 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-539:
You dumbfck
5 Jun 2012, 15:38 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-540: And by “things” you mean utility knives and bicycle chains, of course.
5 Jun 2012, 15:39 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-535: Yeah… Well then the Sharks contingent will wait until “things get iffy” then… No sense in jumping the gun yet is there… I mean “things” haven’t really started yet…
Even Dippy was afforded a lot more grace before criticism than Meyer has…
5 Jun 2012, 15:39 pm
@Jeraldjay(Jeraldjay)-536:
Another reason I hold this man in such great esteem.
Same goes for our WC winning Captain of 87, Captain Kirk.
The Rumour is, it was NZ$100,000 per player for the Tour.
In those days, in rugby terms……………………………….mastodon money.
5 Jun 2012, 15:41 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-541: Deflecting? I was wasting time on the Lions Sharks thread on Saturday night already… “Manning” up as it were…
Now I am just telling it as I see it…
Tart.
5 Jun 2012, 15:42 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-539:
“You another dumfck hypocrite like this Stawmy character”.
And You Heaven help us are what exactly?
5 Jun 2012, 15:44 pm
@cane(cane)-545:
Yellow Pages- a business listings directory (government subsidised) was the sponsor of the tour.
But in those days it was R0,50c to the NZ dollar
5 Jun 2012, 15:47 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-546:
Would you speak to any women in person in that manner HG.
I would like to think not.
5 Jun 2012, 15:47 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-539: Not just you, I call out Skop, and your cheerleaders Fern and GWS as well but you are the loudest squealer of the lot.
5 Jun 2012, 15:51 pm
all the wp fans who are hoping for a loss or hoping meyer fails because they feel aggrieved at selections must:
******* OFF
clear enough?
oh and maybe grow a pair of B A L L S too.
sheesh, i never knew such b it chi ness existed amongst the male population of South Africa!
what a laugh.
5 Jun 2012, 15:53 pm
So I’m at work and I read this thread. Go back to doing some work and then another 100 posts. Takes me 20 minutes to read. Back to work. Back to the thread. 100 posts behind again. So forgive me if this was covered, but I just can’t read the last 200 posts.
Why was De Jongh not selected? But Olivier and JJ? Because, they are backup to 1st choice Steyn and Jean. They won’t see game time. Won’t even make the bench. Unless there is injury to the first choice. Now, who’s game is closer to Steyn and Jean? Olivier/JJ, or De Jongh?
By definition, the backup to 1st choice should be as close as possible. Nobody said De Jongh is not good enough. Or does not deserve to be a Bok. But he plays a different game. And when you have 5 days to prepare, you select your backup based on similar attributes to your 1st choice, not because another player deserves selection and the coach may have to change his game plan because of one injury. Had there been a month to prepare – now that is different.
Aplon, I think, probably should have made the cut ahead of Basson. And Kolisi ahead of Coetzee. The latter both competing for #6 flanker. But Neither Aplon nor Basson would see any game time either. It will be Habs and JPP, and in the event of injury, likely Mvovo who’s been the form winger IMHO.
Brussouw made 4 steals and conceded 14 penalties this year. Hardly setting the world on fire. Pity, as I do rate him highly. Were he to be selected on current form, could we expect another Stegman-penalty-machine outry?
Having said all of the above the real question is: why select so many players for this tour? Perhaps we hope/anticipate to be 2-0 up and in the 3rd test we may see some experiments.
5 Jun 2012, 15:54 pm
@cane(cane)-549: Would a “woman” speak to me like this: “Invite the fecker for drinks I’ll “organise” things” or “you dumfck” and expect a civil reply?
Fckoff you obvious Kiwi hypocrite…
@stormer in a teacup(stormer in a teacup)-550: Squealer? I think you are confused… Actually I dont give a fck what you think…
5 Jun 2012, 15:54 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-543:
Indeed
How did you know
5 Jun 2012, 15:54 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-551:
Stop generalising
5 Jun 2012, 15:56 pm
@Jeraldjay(Jeraldjay)-548:
In those days Jerry, NZ$100,000 was a freehold house in NZ, in a good Suburb.
For what 2.5 months “work”.
Every Kiwi’s dream. Freehold, mortgage free. And a little to spare.
The NZRFU at the time were paying them like $36.00/per day expenses, or some such amount.
The Cavaliers were the chance of a lifetime for some.
5 Jun 2012, 15:56 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-553:
Why not!
I will “organise” things, I dont see the problem in that?
As for the dumbfck? You dish it out but squeal when you get it?
5 Jun 2012, 15:57 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-553: Nope. No confusion.
5 Jun 2012, 16:01 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-553:
Why is it,
I think perhaps you have brought this response from a women upon yourself.
You dish it out HG.
You dish like no other.
5 Jun 2012, 16:02 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-538:
You got a deal china.
Lot of people here dying to meet you.
5 Jun 2012, 16:03 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-551: What’s with this “all the WP fans who ” ****? If you have a gripe with certain bloggers deal with them, leave this lazy, vague arm-waving rubbish out of it. WP fans are no less patriotic than any one else. Remember Dusky, who told everyone how sh it SA is. Who does he support again?
5 Jun 2012, 16:04 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-551:
Rangerman. You are normally sensible on this site. So lets make a list of ALL THE WP fans who are wanting the boks to lose. Lets name them and shame them.
OK?
5 Jun 2012, 16:04 pm
OK this thread have degenerated since HG joined. Somebody help, please say something sensible. I’m stumped.
5 Jun 2012, 16:06 pm
@cane(cane)-556:
And at the tender age of 23 Kirwin refused the lure of financial freedom for his principles.
Did the players receive a ban when they returned.
5 Jun 2012, 16:06 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-557: Nope… I was not squealing… I replied in kind, did I not.?
I just had to highlight it to Canecunty…
Okay, “Woman”….?
…Obviously as rough as a Camps Bay Bear’s arse…
5 Jun 2012, 16:07 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-551:
Waar val jy uit.
If you don’t have any names wishing defeat on the Boks then don’t say nothing.
5 Jun 2012, 16:08 pm
@cane(cane)-559: Thats right… and never forget it Canecunty… Especially when the Boks meet the ABs
Until then, you sheepshaggers are irrelevent…
5 Jun 2012, 16:08 pm
@HG
“You another dumfck hypocrite like this Stawmy character”.
Where have I been a hypocrite? Do you even know what the word means?
Also, what is your absolute obsession about WP, and in particular your constant references to all things homosexual?
Are you homosexual?
If not then why would you carry on like you do? Behind your keyboard.
Take your hand off it man.
5 Jun 2012, 16:10 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-565:
No bears in Camps Bay
5 Jun 2012, 16:13 pm
@Jeraldjay(Jeraldjay)-564:
A two Test ban, if memory serves me correctly..
If I had my way a life ban.
Including the Manager Colin Meads.
5 Jun 2012, 16:13 pm
@Stawm(Stawm)-560: And the you be all you can be, yeah?
The “Real” Deal…
Okay, “China”….
Loving this… Farken Cape Town “brekers” handing out “threats”…. Yeah, these okes real “civilised” verligte types, eh
What you gonna do…
Try make me laugh myself to death by “scaring” me… in your gimpsuit waving that 10inch purple ***** of yours around frantically?
5 Jun 2012, 16:14 pm
@Stawm(Stawm)-562: @stormer in a teacup(stormer in a teacup)-561: @Dawn(Dawn)-555: cmon now.
i havent had much time to read the threads this week but every time i do, i have read normally sane guys like sparticus declaring he will watch schools rugby, not the boks and JUSTIFYING SAFFA ALL BLACK SUPPORTERS BECAUSE OF THE SQUAD MEYER HAS PICKED?????????????????
and it isnt isolated my friends, oh no. its on and on and on of whining and griping and moaning as though the stormers backline which havent scored a bonus pt win in 3 years, or the stormers pack that got eaten alive at KP and to a lesser degree in bloem and loftus, should be chose wholesale, maybe even pick the canadian?
with a week to prepare???????????
its irritating, sorry. it reminds me of the juvenile squealings of a bunch of 13 yr olds.
support the boks, no matter who wears the colours, or feckoff i say.
apologies if i am being harsh chaps, and yes, the stormers have done very well over the last three years, but tekkel tekkel tekkel is not the be all and end all especially at test level.
now i am leaving so the buzzing does not turn to stinging
5 Jun 2012, 16:15 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-569: Except you yeah?
5 Jun 2012, 16:16 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-567:
Whatever.
5 Jun 2012, 16:17 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-571: Your hysteria really knows no bounds, does it Squealy?
5 Jun 2012, 16:17 pm
@Stawm(Stawm)-568: Where in “You another dumfck hypocrite like this Stawmy character” is there any homosexual reference? Except the Nick of course….
Stawmy, I reckon you obsessing about homosexuality my boy… Tut tut
5 Jun 2012, 16:18 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-573:
I am nowhere near Camps Bay …. yeah.
Yeah?
@rangerman(rangerman)-572:
You can stop shouting now.
5 Jun 2012, 16:18 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-571:
You constantly show how stupid you are.
You have a lot to say about all of Cape Town. So come say it.
The fact that you gt sexual about it again, is your problem.
5 Jun 2012, 16:18 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-573:
Sharkies used to be my favourite SA Team, by a country mile.
Then you showed up.
5 Jun 2012, 16:19 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-572:
Come on, you’ve mentioned Sparticus. Now you paint all WP with the same
brush?
5 Jun 2012, 16:19 pm
Outtahere…
Will be back later to take names and “organise” things when I do have to unfortunately go to Bareback City…
Cape “Fear”
5 Jun 2012, 16:20 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-576:
What, now you pretending not to understand my question. You cant answer it so you twist it.
Stupid is as stupid does.
5 Jun 2012, 16:22 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-581:
Then you can limp back to Brothel City and back to your normal life.
Good one.
5 Jun 2012, 16:22 pm
@cane(cane)-537:
you’re welcome cane…
wish i could claim credit but can’t… ’twas simply and cut’n'paste job…
but i’ve admired JK from the moment as a kid he refused the lure of money and resisted the peer pressure of his older teammates and refused to take part in the Cavalier tour…
took a lot of guts and integrity to do so… rare in anybody… especially rare in young talented sports people…
but of course i enjoyed watching the tour…
such are the contradiction of life, sport and politics in this crazy land called south africa…!!
5 Jun 2012, 16:23 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-572:
Then sort out Sparticus about it, don’t just say all Stormers fans have chosen to do that.
5 Jun 2012, 16:25 pm
@BullDog15(BullDog15)-552: So on what basis would you select Kolosi above Coetzee? To date Coetzee made 204 tackles vs Kolisi on 169, Coetzee at position 18 on 697 run metres vs Kolisi who is not in the top 20. Neither show up in top 20 for any other category – good or bad
I can agree Kolisi deserves to be in the squad over Kanko, but not Coetzee
5 Jun 2012, 16:27 pm
And i’ll defend everybody and anybody’s right to support whoever they feel like supporting.
5 Jun 2012, 16:29 pm
@Bokhoring(Bokhoring)-586:
And that’s what most people have been saying.
Kolisi should have been there ahead of the undercooked Potgieter.
5 Jun 2012, 16:33 pm
@cane(cane)-579: Move towards the light , Cane.
5 Jun 2012, 16:34 pm
Because it obviously pisses off the Keo getalong gang for some or other reason I shal repaste the post that caused a little “southern” discomfort…
SOUNDS LIKE PATRIOTISM
I see all this hysterical bullshit by chaps who have never ever thrown an oval shaped ball in anger or actually bled with a team mate… and I get irritated… No, I get angry…
Actually I get hatefully angry especially when I see fools who will prefer to support England rather than the Boks because their Holy Cow quotas of player numbers are not met… Because of the chips on their Trophyless “Southern” shoulders due to a successful dynastic “Northern” coach not satisfying their collective sense of entitlement… It makes me want to farken smash the short sighted provincial cant see any wood from the trees attitude straight out of them… It makes me want to shake the petty exclusionary sh.it straight out of them along with the utter no knowlege bullshit that they spew…
And THEN I think to the game on Sunday… …to the echoes of Nkosi sikelel iafrika… imagining the panning camera, passing Bok players:
an emotional Beast… a proud South African shouting the words… next to a steely Bismarck holding tight, hand clasped over chest…
Kruger and Coetzee…both overcome with Pride singing before their first tests…
Steyn and Steyn… Brothers from other mothers in arms… Black White and Blue…
And then … at the end of the line I imagine the camera stopping… holding on one individual…One arm around a team mate…one hand grasping tightly the emblem over his heart… Eyes closed, head raised to the blue sunny sky singing “Sounds the Call to come Together” like a Love Song to an imaginary lover… Yes, I see Jean De Villiers… The most passionate singer of the National Anthem of any Sportsman for any South African Team… Captain of the Springboks… Crying… with tears of Pride.
I imagine all this… and I calm down…and slowly… I feel better.
And it dawns on me once more that TRUE Bok supporters will forget petty jealousies and short sighted stupid envy… They will be on the field in Spirit with every Green and Gold player… They will be in the midst of every bone jarring hit, every smashing scrum, every soaring lineout… They will be there with every tense laden kick lined up to the poles, and every breakthrough over the tryline…
Why? Because they are the farken most ridiculously passionate fans on the planet…
They ARE BOK Supporters…
AND They Support ONE TEAM… THE SPRINGBOKS…
Our Blood is Green After All.
BOOM!!!
5 Jun 2012, 16:36 pm
GO DONKEY
Go Cappie
5 Jun 2012, 16:38 pm
@Bokhoring(Bokhoring)-586: Coetzee is top of the list of being handed off and landing on his head as well.
5 Jun 2012, 16:41 pm
@HongKongSlong(HongKongSlong)-592: Yeah once.
Lambie even did that to the great Schalk Burger
5 Jun 2012, 16:44 pm
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-588: No Potgieter is there as a #7. Kolisi competing with Coetzee. Kanko competing with Spies. Probably wouldn’t be there if Duanne was fit. Keegan, likely versatile cover. Alberts will be #7, with Potgieter his backup. Who else, and name only fit players, can cover for Alberts? Yes, Potgieter was injuered but is now fit and reports from Durbs suggest every squad member trained 100%.
So in a nutshell: 6 = Coetzee, 7 = Alberts, Potgieter, 8 = Spies, Kanko and then Keegan as versatile cover. I think Keegan may also be considered as open side cover. He certainly has the speed.
So from the fit players available for selection, that is a well balanced group of loosies.
IMHO the 1st choice should be: 6 = Brussouw, 7 = Burger, 8 = Alberts
Form and fitness apply.
5 Jun 2012, 16:50 pm
@Bokhoring(Bokhoring)-586: I have no problems with Coetzee’s selection. He did what he had to do and got rewarded. Well done.
I think Kolisi turned a few more games for the Stormers at just the right time. Kid shows some BMT. Strange how HM (Mr BMT) does not pick up on that…
5 Jun 2012, 16:51 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-572:
i’ve hardly participated on this thread…
because as much as you say you’re sick of stormers fans whinging… i’m sick of everyone else generalizing… (and yes… i’m doing it now too…) and telling ALL stormers supporters what they should or shouldn’t do…
it would be much saner and honest if you and people like predawn actually addressed your comments to the individuals who posted the comments you find offensive… predawn claimed categorically that 90% of stormers fans were not supporting the boks and hoping they failed… i asked him to prove his statement with facts or be proved to be the liar he is… of course he never proved anything… so he is a liar…
it’s a lot easier (and lazier) and just as judgmental though to generalize and put everyone else into a nice little convent group… and lambast everyone… ‘guilty’, ‘innocent’ or ‘otherwise’…
if you have issues… direct them to the individual people and comments you have issues with… not at every stormer supporter…
having said all that… since when can’t stormer supporters criticize the bok coach and still be bok supporters…? just about everyone on this site had a full go at Peter De Violliers no matter what he did or whether the boks won or lost… And yes… some keolites even said they would not support the boks while he was in charge… so what’s different now…?
most people criticize zuma but would still call themselves patriots… isn’t it the duty of patriots to challenge their leaders…? isn’t it the duty of supporters to challenge the coaches/players/administrators of sport… as it is us who ultimately are responsible for their massive salaries and fame… without supporters they’d be anonymous… so we have every right to criticize… it would help heyneke a helluva lot if he would be more constant in his explanations of his choices…
you see as tired as you’ve got of people criticizing heyneke… i’m tired of the utterly hypocritical arrogance of the people criticizing the criticizers as if you’ve never criticized, moaned, complained orbitched about a a coach or selections before… i’m tired of having to explain to every other blogger that i am disappointed in heyneke… but that i still support him and the boks…
sheesh man… this bitchingaround in circles in not a one-sided battleground… you sanctimonious hypocritical preachers of virtue should look-see in the mirror too…
guys like heavens game are simply adding fuel to the fire… not because he is honest, loyal, patriotic or a good guy… but simply because he is a fokkenshitstirrer. looking to wind everyone up even further… but you never suggest he back off or tone it down…
so look at the bottom of your shoes and see what you have walked through before you suggest everyone else is the cause of the smell in your nostrils…!!
now…
count to 10… chillax… give people a little room to express themselves… that’s what the blogs for…
no hard feelings…
5 Jun 2012, 16:51 pm
@BullDog15(BullDog15)-595: The stats also show, to my utter amazement, that Kirchner’s done more this year than Lambie, other than points scored, Lambie being a goal kicker and what not. Will the person who thinks Kirchner is a better footballer than Lambie please stand up?
5 Jun 2012, 16:52 pm
@Bokhoring(Bokhoring)-593: A back row of 8.Alberts/Daniel 7. Francoise Louw 6. Kolisi would have been far more effective and would be dominant over the English. As it is expected to be 8. Spies 7. Alberts 6. Coetzee the boks are going to require a monumental performance from Alberts, because Morgan and Robshaw are going to own Spies and Coetzee.
5 Jun 2012, 16:59 pm
@HongKongSlong(HongKongSlong)-598: You do know that Coetzee kept Alberts out of the 7 jersey at the Sharks when Plum decided he needed a to-the-ball player in Botes. Coetzee will not stand back for anybody. My only concern with him at the breakdown as a 6 is that he is no real effective ball scavenger, but then HM seems to have decided he can do without one
5 Jun 2012, 17:02 pm
@ufo(ufo)-596: Well said.
5 Jun 2012, 17:02 pm
@BullDog15(BullDog15)-597: Except that Zane also is 3rd in the category for turnovers conceded – 29 in total.
5 Jun 2012, 17:06 pm
I recall many posts here by Bulls supporters this season hoping that Zane would get dropped. I wonder if they still feel that way…….
5 Jun 2012, 17:18 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-551:
that won’t go down well.
5 Jun 2012, 17:29 pm
@Bokhoring(Bokhoring)-599: Alberts took a long time to get going this season and Botes was on fire. I’m quite a big fan of playing 2 opensides sometimes when the situation allows it. I don’t think Coetzee is a bad player at all and his future is most definitely very bright. I just feel Kolisi is the better player at this moment in time and fulfills the openside role best.
Spies is a joke, but its inevitable he will be picked, so the flankers will have to carry him.
5 Jun 2012, 17:57 pm
*lol*
It seems the team that is playing is pretty much our usual team with the exception of Coetzee, Kruger and Etzebeth. None of those selections are controversial in anyway.
Kirchner is the only one that I don’t personally like but he has been in form for the Bulls this season and the stats that people have been posting have been illuminating as to his value.
So for all those idiots that cried that we will lose because their favourite toothless Stormer backline player did not get selected can stop frothing. Nothing wrong with the team that will be playing, in fact with the exception of the 3 forwards I mentioned it is the exact same team that played in the World Cup.
5 Jun 2012, 18:11 pm
Meyer is a rugby genius. End of.
The team is going to fire red hot. End of.
5 Jun 2012, 18:33 pm
I cant wait for Saturday…
White and Red…Green and Gold lined up in the best Rugby Stadium with the best atmosphere on the planet…
Passion roaring
With…
Pat, Coenie, Eben, Ruan, Keegan, Chilli, Werner, Zane, JP, Jean, Frans, Morne, Francois, Pierre, Willem, Marcell, Juandre, Flip, Jannie, Bismarck, Tendai…
Standing
Arms linked…
Hands over heart…
Their figurative oath before a bloodthirsty loyal crowd
Uri, Vinciri, Verberari, Ferroque Necari
‘I will endure, to be burned, to be bound, to be beaten, and to be killed by the sword”
Ave, imperator; morituri te salutant
Those who are about to die salute you…
Then the Whistle Blows….
BOOM!!!
5 Jun 2012, 18:33 pm
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-606:
And you’re delusional. End of.
5 Jun 2012, 18:40 pm
@David(David)-608:
Wow. You an England supporter I take it?
5 Jun 2012, 18:42 pm
No worries Gunther
He added a smiley
Makes everything OK
5 Jun 2012, 18:49 pm
With apologies Cicero…
Springboks, either ruined forwards or fleet footed backs – what blows they
endure! How those who are well disciplined prefer to accept the
blow rather than to avoid it in a disgraceful way!
How often it becomes clear that they would rather do nothing else than satisfy
either their Master Coach or their Supporters! Even when weakened by their
wounds, they ask the Master’s wishes and indicate that, if they have
done enough for Heyneke, they wish to fall.
What Springbok, even a mediocre one, will ever groan or change the expression on his face? Who will acted disgracefully, not only while he stands but also when he falls? Who, having fallen, when ordered to receive the death
blow, will pull his neck back?
None will… Not these Heyneke Meyer Boks….
BOKBEFOK
Such is the power of practice,
contemplation, and custom… (Cicero, 1st Century BC)
5 Jun 2012, 19:14 pm
Accept the blow?
That’s for Keo.
5 Jun 2012, 19:35 pm
god gerd HG, what the hell cicero gotta to do with it?
yoh u only talking the superlative shite today.
aint it just a game?
5 Jun 2012, 19:47 pm
some okie dokie still living in pre christian unanimity
he must be a full on broederbondtjie this rhodesian runaway who ran from blighty’s corner when smithy chucked up the ghost and handed the reigns to bob
how he finds himself all wrapped up in azania’s cause.. only those still seeking the asylum of enraptured belonging to a national patriotic fervor will sing their song of sixpence baked in mother hubbard’s pie
5 Jun 2012, 19:49 pm
Looks like Coetzee and Etsebeth will be in the starting XV on Saturday. Hope they able to replicate their Super Rugby form in the test arena.
Bok rugby is blessed with talented youngsters at the moment.
5 Jun 2012, 20:06 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-607:
erm…Ferrari, Lamborgini, Maserati, Alfa Romeo?
Whatcha talkin’ bout Willis?
Plenty of good stuff going around on Keo huh?
reminds me of a few years back when we were writing limericks
I sense the balance of power in world rugby is shifting…not very far though..but it’s greener on the other side
The Boks finally have a decent coach again, the All Black management has changed slightly, a few of their best are out too, McCaw is not at his best either.
The more I look at Heyneke’s squad the more I like it actually. There will be more Sharks in the starting XV than Bulls.
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-456:
OK Tacitus, I know you were trying to make a point, but HM said that “it’s just a matter of time before Heinrich Brussow plays himself into the Bok team again”, he isn’t against “small” forwards.
And regarding Stegmann, it was Heyneke that brought him to the Bulls and this year they assigned him to carry more.
I’m actually curious to see how Marcell does. Great pity about some of the injured/unavailables, but still a 3-0 coming up on the Roses, and Marcell will be everywhere on Saturday, just everywhere, those hansgat English don’t know what pace that youngster has had to play at in the Sharks team and surprizes in store, gonna love it.
I just hope he is a peaceful sleeper, he will struggle to get some sleep on Friday night.
5 Jun 2012, 20:07 pm
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-614:
Yes, yes Skoppington, hoe lykit ou maat?
5 Jun 2012, 20:09 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBmkor9WF0U
5 Jun 2012, 20:25 pm
europe’s going into meltdown i reckon – I am the Walrus..goo goo ga joob
5 Jun 2012, 20:29 pm
yessus these okes can carry on about the monarchy and continuity, and grace and self-determination and on and on. ppl actually buggered in the head with tradition.
the only one thats any use, is philip, one of the funniest men alive.what what.
5 Jun 2012, 20:45 pm
God save Her Maj
My mom loves her
5 Jun 2012, 20:47 pm
yep mine too.
seems a fairly nice old woman – but **** they can only wax on.
5 Jun 2012, 20:49 pm
@cab(cab)-619:
That song has such deep lyrics:
“Yellow matter custard, dripping from a dead dog’s eye.
Crabalocker fishwife, pornographic priestess,
Boy, you been a naughty girl you let your knickers down.
I am the eggman, they are the eggmen.
I am the walrus, goo goo g’joob.”
They must have been on a moerse trip when they wrote it.
5 Jun 2012, 20:51 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-623:
lol – they must have been.
5 Jun 2012, 20:56 pm
ollie le roux tweets keo:
“whats up snorter?”
must be the sa version of reverence.
5 Jun 2012, 21:29 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-611:
Shamepies. This really shows how you miss boarding school in your rich wite soutie throwbacks who neuked you lekker in the showers while singing “Campfire’s Burning” and “God Save McQueen”.
5 Jun 2012, 22:03 pm
@cab(cab)-625:
rich indeed coming from him.
5 Jun 2012, 22:16 pm
Cicero was murdered ,so all those speeches did him no good in the end.
As for all the premature triumphalism-wait till the Springboks win before you celebrate.
5 Jun 2012, 23:11 pm
TOAD.Red eyed’ and heavy lidded(And slimy)
Oh wart infessted one ‘How was the journey from the stagnant pond into the light..Dont you think that your absoloute admiration(Nay,love)for certain players)’is homosexual desirre.Yes I wenti to a good school but expelled=inStd.8 for being a maverick.Since Then self educated.
SD dont give me that ****.F.O.A.D An acronym for you,Sad for you that I despise bullies.i
5 Jun 2012, 23:26 pm
@KeurboomPark(KeurboomPark)-626: LOL… Even I got to laugh at that…
” rich wite soutie throwbacks who neuked you lekker in the showers”
Fuckwit… Hahahahahahaha
5 Jun 2012, 23:28 pm
@papashanga(papashanga)-628: What are you… England or Stormer supporter….?
Forgive this poster… Dont know who is actually more anti-Bok on this site
5 Jun 2012, 23:34 pm
@cab(cab)-620: Told you chaps last year already… Farken markets heading for one BIG BOOM…
Europe just the birth pains… the kicking… before the baby gets thrown out with the bath water…
Buy tins of baked beans… Tuna… any stuff to barter… Camping gear… Spear gun… Side arm… Diesel… Firelighters…
Practical stuff… Winter is Coming… I shityounot.
5 Jun 2012, 23:34 pm
UFO.Go well pal.God bless you and family..Mine have been going through
a hard time due to W//E.results.WOW///
Is that not going to offend the toad.?
Thanks for the humour and cyber friendsjip..
Regards.(Apparently also a bad greeting)
5 Jun 2012, 23:44 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-616: Ja… Those were the days… of limericks… reason and rhyme… prose and poetry….
And yes I too feel the tide is turning… The Grass is Green… Bok Green…
And all hail Heyneke Caesar…
Farken cant wait for Bok glory days again… and a big STFU to all moaners and squealers, Sheepshaggers and Crims…
The likes of us can say we were behind Der Kaiser from the start… long before the Johnny Come Lately Flip Flops inevitably jump on the Bok Glory Wagon
6 Jun 2012, 04:33 am
@Kea-Cat(KEA)-600:
thanks Kea-Cat…
@ryecatcher(ryecatcher)-633:
Hey RyeCatcher…Likewise…
Hopefully the family’s feeling better and a good result this weekend will help erase last weekend’s results… and the aftermath… for everyone…
I wouldn’t worry too much about what other people think… As long as you’re true to yourself and you represent yourself online as in real life, as Stormersboy said so well earlier yesterday, that’s really all that matters… IMO anyway…
I believe strongly that we we are all let down by our education which always insists we only have five senses… Of course we have a sixth sense which is often frowned upon but we all use to a greater or lesser degree, though very few give it the attention it deserves… We should all make a point of using it at least once a day… and I’m sure you know to which sixth sense i refer…
The Sense of Humour…!!!!
Go well too…
Regards….!!
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