Lancaster not fazed by mysterious Boks
5 Jun 2012
Stuart Lancaster says in the absence of footage of a Heyneke Meyer-coached Springbok side they have been forced to review Bulls matches and garner information from within his own squad.
The Springboks have only four days to prepare for the first Test against England in Durban on Saturday, which is clearly a significant obstacle. However, their advantage stems from England’s limited analysis material, whilst Meyer and technical analyst Rassie Erasmus have a wealth of information from England’s Six Nations campaign on which to build their challenge.
Lancaster acknowledged that it was a disadvantage but explained that there are avenues they have explored in order to fill in the gaps in their knowledge.
‘You go back through previous teams that he coached, he has a long association with the Bulls, and he also spent seven months at Leicester. We have six or seven players who’ve worked under him and given us insight into him as a person as coach,’ Lancaster said. ‘The beauty of this tour is that we play each other three times in three weeks so we are going to know each other inside out at the end. It’s more about who learns quickly during the game and who adapts to the match situation.
‘South Africa would have had a good chance to have a look at us during the Six Nations, while their last game was the World Cup quarter-final in 2011. So that’s a clear advantage. But again it’s about adapting quickly, especially in the first Test because come Sunday both sides will have a clearer idea of the other’s strengths and limitations.’
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Lancaster also explained that the experience and familiarity of the Springboks’ senior players will soften the impact of an inadequate build up.
‘The Springboks have had limited preparation for this series, but they have a core of players who played not only in the World Cup but prior to that as well. There will be a common understanding and philosophy. South Africa are a difficult side at home, irrespective of their preparation time.’
England last won in South Africa 12 years ago. It signalled the start of a golden era which culminated in them winning the World Cup in 2003. Asked whether this was their best opportunity since that last victory to return with the Bok scalp, Lancaster offered: ‘I tend not to look back, but rather forward to where we want to go.
‘This is undoubtedly a huge opportunity to test ourselves against high quality opposition in their own back yard. A tour doesn’t get any tougher than facing South Africa in South Africa, as the British & Irish Lions found out in 2009.’
By Ryan Vrede, in Durban
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5 Jun 2012, 15:51 pm
all the wp fans who are hoping for a loss or hoping meyer fails because they feel aggrieved at selections must:
******* OFF
clear enough?
oh and maybe grow a pair of B A L L S too.
sheesh, i never knew such b it chi ness existed amongst the male population of South Africa!
what a laugh.
5 Jun 2012, 15:53 pm
So I’m at work and I read this thread. Go back to doing some work and then another 100 posts. Takes me 20 minutes to read. Back to work. Back to the thread. 100 posts behind again. So forgive me if this was covered, but I just can’t read the last 200 posts.
Why was De Jongh not selected? But Olivier and JJ? Because, they are backup to 1st choice Steyn and Jean. They won’t see game time. Won’t even make the bench. Unless there is injury to the first choice. Now, who’s game is closer to Steyn and Jean? Olivier/JJ, or De Jongh?
By definition, the backup to 1st choice should be as close as possible. Nobody said De Jongh is not good enough. Or does not deserve to be a Bok. But he plays a different game. And when you have 5 days to prepare, you select your backup based on similar attributes to your 1st choice, not because another player deserves selection and the coach may have to change his game plan because of one injury. Had there been a month to prepare – now that is different.
Aplon, I think, probably should have made the cut ahead of Basson. And Kolisi ahead of Coetzee. The latter both competing for #6 flanker. But Neither Aplon nor Basson would see any game time either. It will be Habs and JPP, and in the event of injury, likely Mvovo who’s been the form winger IMHO.
Brussouw made 4 steals and conceded 14 penalties this year. Hardly setting the world on fire. Pity, as I do rate him highly. Were he to be selected on current form, could we expect another Stegman-penalty-machine outry?
Having said all of the above the real question is: why select so many players for this tour? Perhaps we hope/anticipate to be 2-0 up and in the 3rd test we may see some experiments.
5 Jun 2012, 15:54 pm
@cane(cane)-549: Would a “woman” speak to me like this: “Invite the fecker for drinks I’ll “organise” things” or “you dumfck” and expect a civil reply?
Fckoff you obvious Kiwi hypocrite…
@stormer in a teacup(stormer in a teacup)-550: Squealer? I think you are confused… Actually I dont give a fck what you think…
5 Jun 2012, 15:54 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-543:
Indeed
How did you know
5 Jun 2012, 15:54 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-551:
Stop generalising
5 Jun 2012, 15:56 pm
@Jeraldjay(Jeraldjay)-548:
In those days Jerry, NZ$100,000 was a freehold house in NZ, in a good Suburb.
For what 2.5 months “work”.
Every Kiwi’s dream. Freehold, mortgage free. And a little to spare.
The NZRFU at the time were paying them like $36.00/per day expenses, or some such amount.
The Cavaliers were the chance of a lifetime for some.
5 Jun 2012, 15:56 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-553:
Why not!
I will “organise” things, I dont see the problem in that?
As for the dumbfck? You dish it out but squeal when you get it?
5 Jun 2012, 15:57 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-553: Nope. No confusion.
5 Jun 2012, 16:01 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-553:
Why is it,
I think perhaps you have brought this response from a women upon yourself.
You dish it out HG.
You dish like no other.
5 Jun 2012, 16:02 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-538:
You got a deal china.
Lot of people here dying to meet you.
5 Jun 2012, 16:03 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-551: What’s with this “all the WP fans who ” ****? If you have a gripe with certain bloggers deal with them, leave this lazy, vague arm-waving rubbish out of it. WP fans are no less patriotic than any one else. Remember Dusky, who told everyone how sh it SA is. Who does he support again?
5 Jun 2012, 16:04 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-551:
Rangerman. You are normally sensible on this site. So lets make a list of ALL THE WP fans who are wanting the boks to lose. Lets name them and shame them.
OK?
5 Jun 2012, 16:04 pm
OK this thread have degenerated since HG joined. Somebody help, please say something sensible. I’m stumped.
5 Jun 2012, 16:06 pm
@cane(cane)-556:
And at the tender age of 23 Kirwin refused the lure of financial freedom for his principles.
Did the players receive a ban when they returned.
5 Jun 2012, 16:06 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-557: Nope… I was not squealing… I replied in kind, did I not.?
I just had to highlight it to Canecunty…
Okay, “Woman”….?
…Obviously as rough as a Camps Bay Bear’s arse…
5 Jun 2012, 16:07 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-551:
Waar val jy uit.
If you don’t have any names wishing defeat on the Boks then don’t say nothing.
5 Jun 2012, 16:08 pm
@cane(cane)-559: Thats right… and never forget it Canecunty… Especially when the Boks meet the ABs
Until then, you sheepshaggers are irrelevent…
5 Jun 2012, 16:08 pm
@HG
“You another dumfck hypocrite like this Stawmy character”.
Where have I been a hypocrite? Do you even know what the word means?
Also, what is your absolute obsession about WP, and in particular your constant references to all things homosexual?
Are you homosexual?
If not then why would you carry on like you do? Behind your keyboard.
Take your hand off it man.
5 Jun 2012, 16:10 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-565:
No bears in Camps Bay
5 Jun 2012, 16:13 pm
@Jeraldjay(Jeraldjay)-564:
A two Test ban, if memory serves me correctly..
If I had my way a life ban.
Including the Manager Colin Meads.
5 Jun 2012, 16:13 pm
@Stawm(Stawm)-560: And the you be all you can be, yeah?
The “Real” Deal…
Okay, “China”….
Loving this… Farken Cape Town “brekers” handing out “threats”…. Yeah, these okes real “civilised” verligte types, eh
What you gonna do…
Try make me laugh myself to death by “scaring” me… in your gimpsuit waving that 10inch purple ***** of yours around frantically?
5 Jun 2012, 16:14 pm
@Stawm(Stawm)-562: @stormer in a teacup(stormer in a teacup)-561: @Dawn(Dawn)-555: cmon now.
i havent had much time to read the threads this week but every time i do, i have read normally sane guys like sparticus declaring he will watch schools rugby, not the boks and JUSTIFYING SAFFA ALL BLACK SUPPORTERS BECAUSE OF THE SQUAD MEYER HAS PICKED?????????????????
and it isnt isolated my friends, oh no. its on and on and on of whining and griping and moaning as though the stormers backline which havent scored a bonus pt win in 3 years, or the stormers pack that got eaten alive at KP and to a lesser degree in bloem and loftus, should be chose wholesale, maybe even pick the canadian?
with a week to prepare???????????
its irritating, sorry. it reminds me of the juvenile squealings of a bunch of 13 yr olds.
support the boks, no matter who wears the colours, or feckoff i say.
apologies if i am being harsh chaps, and yes, the stormers have done very well over the last three years, but tekkel tekkel tekkel is not the be all and end all especially at test level.
now i am leaving so the buzzing does not turn to stinging
5 Jun 2012, 16:15 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-569: Except you yeah?
5 Jun 2012, 16:16 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-567:
Whatever.
5 Jun 2012, 16:17 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-571: Your hysteria really knows no bounds, does it Squealy?
5 Jun 2012, 16:17 pm
@Stawm(Stawm)-568: Where in “You another dumfck hypocrite like this Stawmy character” is there any homosexual reference? Except the Nick of course….
Stawmy, I reckon you obsessing about homosexuality my boy… Tut tut
5 Jun 2012, 16:18 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-573:
I am nowhere near Camps Bay …. yeah.
Yeah?
@rangerman(rangerman)-572:
You can stop shouting now.
5 Jun 2012, 16:18 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-571:
You constantly show how stupid you are.
You have a lot to say about all of Cape Town. So come say it.
The fact that you gt sexual about it again, is your problem.
5 Jun 2012, 16:18 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-573:
Sharkies used to be my favourite SA Team, by a country mile.
Then you showed up.
5 Jun 2012, 16:19 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-572:
Come on, you’ve mentioned Sparticus. Now you paint all WP with the same
brush?
5 Jun 2012, 16:19 pm
Outtahere…
Will be back later to take names and “organise” things when I do have to unfortunately go to Bareback City…
Cape “Fear”
5 Jun 2012, 16:20 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-576:
What, now you pretending not to understand my question. You cant answer it so you twist it.
Stupid is as stupid does.
5 Jun 2012, 16:22 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-581:
Then you can limp back to Brothel City and back to your normal life.
Good one.
5 Jun 2012, 16:22 pm
@cane(cane)-537:
you’re welcome cane…
wish i could claim credit but can’t… ’twas simply and cut’n'paste job…
but i’ve admired JK from the moment as a kid he refused the lure of money and resisted the peer pressure of his older teammates and refused to take part in the Cavalier tour…
took a lot of guts and integrity to do so… rare in anybody… especially rare in young talented sports people…
but of course i enjoyed watching the tour…
such are the contradiction of life, sport and politics in this crazy land called south africa…!!
5 Jun 2012, 16:23 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-572:
Then sort out Sparticus about it, don’t just say all Stormers fans have chosen to do that.
5 Jun 2012, 16:25 pm
@BullDog15(BullDog15)-552: So on what basis would you select Kolosi above Coetzee? To date Coetzee made 204 tackles vs Kolisi on 169, Coetzee at position 18 on 697 run metres vs Kolisi who is not in the top 20. Neither show up in top 20 for any other category – good or bad
I can agree Kolisi deserves to be in the squad over Kanko, but not Coetzee
5 Jun 2012, 16:27 pm
And i’ll defend everybody and anybody’s right to support whoever they feel like supporting.
5 Jun 2012, 16:29 pm
@Bokhoring(Bokhoring)-586:
And that’s what most people have been saying.
Kolisi should have been there ahead of the undercooked Potgieter.
5 Jun 2012, 16:33 pm
@cane(cane)-579: Move towards the light , Cane.
5 Jun 2012, 16:34 pm
Because it obviously pisses off the Keo getalong gang for some or other reason I shal repaste the post that caused a little “southern” discomfort…
SOUNDS LIKE PATRIOTISM
I see all this hysterical bullshit by chaps who have never ever thrown an oval shaped ball in anger or actually bled with a team mate… and I get irritated… No, I get angry…
Actually I get hatefully angry especially when I see fools who will prefer to support England rather than the Boks because their Holy Cow quotas of player numbers are not met… Because of the chips on their Trophyless “Southern” shoulders due to a successful dynastic “Northern” coach not satisfying their collective sense of entitlement… It makes me want to farken smash the short sighted provincial cant see any wood from the trees attitude straight out of them… It makes me want to shake the petty exclusionary sh.it straight out of them along with the utter no knowlege bullshit that they spew…
And THEN I think to the game on Sunday… …to the echoes of Nkosi sikelel iafrika… imagining the panning camera, passing Bok players:
an emotional Beast… a proud South African shouting the words… next to a steely Bismarck holding tight, hand clasped over chest…
Kruger and Coetzee…both overcome with Pride singing before their first tests…
Steyn and Steyn… Brothers from other mothers in arms… Black White and Blue…
And then … at the end of the line I imagine the camera stopping… holding on one individual…One arm around a team mate…one hand grasping tightly the emblem over his heart… Eyes closed, head raised to the blue sunny sky singing “Sounds the Call to come Together” like a Love Song to an imaginary lover… Yes, I see Jean De Villiers… The most passionate singer of the National Anthem of any Sportsman for any South African Team… Captain of the Springboks… Crying… with tears of Pride.
I imagine all this… and I calm down…and slowly… I feel better.
And it dawns on me once more that TRUE Bok supporters will forget petty jealousies and short sighted stupid envy… They will be on the field in Spirit with every Green and Gold player… They will be in the midst of every bone jarring hit, every smashing scrum, every soaring lineout… They will be there with every tense laden kick lined up to the poles, and every breakthrough over the tryline…
Why? Because they are the farken most ridiculously passionate fans on the planet…
They ARE BOK Supporters…
AND They Support ONE TEAM… THE SPRINGBOKS…
Our Blood is Green After All.
BOOM!!!
5 Jun 2012, 16:36 pm
GO DONKEY
Go Cappie
5 Jun 2012, 16:38 pm
@Bokhoring(Bokhoring)-586: Coetzee is top of the list of being handed off and landing on his head as well.
5 Jun 2012, 16:41 pm
@HongKongSlong(HongKongSlong)-592: Yeah once.
Lambie even did that to the great Schalk Burger
5 Jun 2012, 16:44 pm
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-588: No Potgieter is there as a #7. Kolisi competing with Coetzee. Kanko competing with Spies. Probably wouldn’t be there if Duanne was fit. Keegan, likely versatile cover. Alberts will be #7, with Potgieter his backup. Who else, and name only fit players, can cover for Alberts? Yes, Potgieter was injuered but is now fit and reports from Durbs suggest every squad member trained 100%.
So in a nutshell: 6 = Coetzee, 7 = Alberts, Potgieter, 8 = Spies, Kanko and then Keegan as versatile cover. I think Keegan may also be considered as open side cover. He certainly has the speed.
So from the fit players available for selection, that is a well balanced group of loosies.
IMHO the 1st choice should be: 6 = Brussouw, 7 = Burger, 8 = Alberts
Form and fitness apply.
5 Jun 2012, 16:50 pm
@Bokhoring(Bokhoring)-586: I have no problems with Coetzee’s selection. He did what he had to do and got rewarded. Well done.
I think Kolisi turned a few more games for the Stormers at just the right time. Kid shows some BMT. Strange how HM (Mr BMT) does not pick up on that…
5 Jun 2012, 16:51 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-572:
i’ve hardly participated on this thread…
because as much as you say you’re sick of stormers fans whinging… i’m sick of everyone else generalizing… (and yes… i’m doing it now too…) and telling ALL stormers supporters what they should or shouldn’t do…
it would be much saner and honest if you and people like predawn actually addressed your comments to the individuals who posted the comments you find offensive… predawn claimed categorically that 90% of stormers fans were not supporting the boks and hoping they failed… i asked him to prove his statement with facts or be proved to be the liar he is… of course he never proved anything… so he is a liar…
it’s a lot easier (and lazier) and just as judgmental though to generalize and put everyone else into a nice little convent group… and lambast everyone… ‘guilty’, ‘innocent’ or ‘otherwise’…
if you have issues… direct them to the individual people and comments you have issues with… not at every stormer supporter…
having said all that… since when can’t stormer supporters criticize the bok coach and still be bok supporters…? just about everyone on this site had a full go at Peter De Violliers no matter what he did or whether the boks won or lost… And yes… some keolites even said they would not support the boks while he was in charge… so what’s different now…?
most people criticize zuma but would still call themselves patriots… isn’t it the duty of patriots to challenge their leaders…? isn’t it the duty of supporters to challenge the coaches/players/administrators of sport… as it is us who ultimately are responsible for their massive salaries and fame… without supporters they’d be anonymous… so we have every right to criticize… it would help heyneke a helluva lot if he would be more constant in his explanations of his choices…
you see as tired as you’ve got of people criticizing heyneke… i’m tired of the utterly hypocritical arrogance of the people criticizing the criticizers as if you’ve never criticized, moaned, complained orbitched about a a coach or selections before… i’m tired of having to explain to every other blogger that i am disappointed in heyneke… but that i still support him and the boks…
sheesh man… this bitchingaround in circles in not a one-sided battleground… you sanctimonious hypocritical preachers of virtue should look-see in the mirror too…
guys like heavens game are simply adding fuel to the fire… not because he is honest, loyal, patriotic or a good guy… but simply because he is a fokkenshitstirrer. looking to wind everyone up even further… but you never suggest he back off or tone it down…
so look at the bottom of your shoes and see what you have walked through before you suggest everyone else is the cause of the smell in your nostrils…!!
now…
count to 10… chillax… give people a little room to express themselves… that’s what the blogs for…
no hard feelings…
5 Jun 2012, 16:51 pm
@BullDog15(BullDog15)-595: The stats also show, to my utter amazement, that Kirchner’s done more this year than Lambie, other than points scored, Lambie being a goal kicker and what not. Will the person who thinks Kirchner is a better footballer than Lambie please stand up?
5 Jun 2012, 16:52 pm
@Bokhoring(Bokhoring)-593: A back row of 8.Alberts/Daniel 7. Francoise Louw 6. Kolisi would have been far more effective and would be dominant over the English. As it is expected to be 8. Spies 7. Alberts 6. Coetzee the boks are going to require a monumental performance from Alberts, because Morgan and Robshaw are going to own Spies and Coetzee.
5 Jun 2012, 16:59 pm
@HongKongSlong(HongKongSlong)-598: You do know that Coetzee kept Alberts out of the 7 jersey at the Sharks when Plum decided he needed a to-the-ball player in Botes. Coetzee will not stand back for anybody. My only concern with him at the breakdown as a 6 is that he is no real effective ball scavenger, but then HM seems to have decided he can do without one
5 Jun 2012, 17:02 pm
@ufo(ufo)-596: Well said.
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