Breakdown turnaround root of success
10 Jun 2012
Heyneke Meyer identified the Springboks’ improvement at the gainline and breakdown as the reason for their better second half performance against England at Kings Park.
The Springboks struggled to find an attacking groove in the first half, with their primary strike runners regularly repelled by accurate and physical defence from the tourists. They looked rudderless at times on attack as a result, but improved markedly in this facet of play in the second half and were able to ask far more probing questions of England.
Asked what his directive to his charges had been at half-time, Meyer said: ‘I’m very emotional, sometimes I lose it. Jean [de Villiers, captain] was brilliant at half-time and I said to the forwards they have to get stuck in better because I wanted to up the tempo. They responded and we got better cleans and our ball carriers got into the game. When that happened I felt there were times we played some brilliant rugby.’
Speaking about the officiating at the breakdown De Villiers explained he felt referee Steve Walsh was ‘quick on the call’ [to penalise the Springboks], but stressed the responsibility rests with them to improve.
Central to their second half showing was the ball-carrying potency of blindside flank Willem Alberts, who earned the Man of the Match award off the back of an outstanding performance. Meyer was lavish in his praise of Alberts, and noted his back row partners’ contribution as well.
‘I was very happy with the loose forwards, I think they were important in us winning the game,’ he said. ‘Willem was brilliant. I spoke to him during Super Rugby and told him he was going to start and I wanted him to be at his best. He was awesome. Marcell Coetzee, starting his first Test, was unbelievable. People criticised that selection but he showed his class. Pierre [Spies] had one of his better Test matches as well. They’ll get better as a combination the more they play together.’
He also spoke highly of Bryan Habana’s showing. The winger has struggled in Tests in the last four years but looked sharp and dangerous throughout the match.
‘Bryan has probably played his best rugby for me. We’ve had long chats and I told him he needs to enjoy the game again, and be that vibrant player he had been at his best. He got to the point where he was just too conservative. He doesn’t have the X factor when he is like that, so I encouraged him to take risks. He was brilliant at times tonight, and he’ll grow from here.’
Meyer was absolutely clear when asked about possible changes for the Johannesburg Test next week.
‘I don’t believe in giving jerseys away, you earn the chance so I’ll stick to the same team. We don’t have a lot of time, two more Tests and then they go back to Super Rugby. They have to get game time together,’ he said.
233 Comments
9 Jun 2012, 20:59 pm
The more things change, the more they stay the same dragons?
9 Jun 2012, 21:03 pm
Hougaard must go to the bench. Pienaar controlled the game better. Kirchner must make way for Lambie. Otherwise a good performance given that they had four days of working together
9 Jun 2012, 21:03 pm
” The winger has struggled in Tests in the last four years but looked sharp and dangerous throughout the match”.
Really? The last 4 years? FOUR years, he’s been struggling in Tests?
Words fail me.
9 Jun 2012, 21:14 pm
Wasn’t overly impressed with Spies. Did he break any tackles tonight? It seemed as if the first tackler was always able to bring him down.
9 Jun 2012, 21:16 pm
Spies a good game! do me a favour hit the bricks pal
9 Jun 2012, 21:17 pm
@Greenbok(greenbok)-3: Let me rephrase that for you Greenbok so you can better comprehend: “The winger has been absolute hond kuk in the last four years but looked marginally better today despite gifting Foden a try whilst going for his trademark intercept-and-miss move.”
9 Jun 2012, 21:20 pm
@Windhoek.Lager(Windhoek.Lager)-4: Spies was average at best. And do me a favor, send Zane back to Pretoria. Lambie gave us critical momentum the moment he came on.
9 Jun 2012, 21:26 pm
@kwas(kwas)-7:
I don’t think we are allowed to start with Lambie at 15. Not unless we bring another non-white player into the starting 15 elsewhere.
9 Jun 2012, 21:27 pm
Oh please. His move down to the Stormers in 2010 precipitated things, but he was still doing the job brilliantly defensively, in his test capacity. Last year he was off the boil at test level, but then so were large parts of the backline, to be honest. But to conveniently blur provincial and national form in such an off-the-cuff manner, is a bit back-handed to say the least.
9 Jun 2012, 21:30 pm
A lot of people getting very worked up over insignificant issues, I see.
Rather join in the excitement of the birth of a great new Springbok era.
9 Jun 2012, 21:35 pm
@kwas(kwas)-6: not accurate Kwas. Certainly not the player I saw today. One misjudgement does not a bad performance make. He was one step behind Albets to being MOM today IMVHO.
9 Jun 2012, 21:39 pm
I think the Boks were ordinary today. Only two players stood out. Alberts and Habs. And in that order. The rest were average to poor. Sadly, FH fell into the latter category. He needs to speed up the pace of his thinking.
9 Jun 2012, 21:40 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-10: Not worked up Tac. Just venturing an opinion. Some more forceful than others maybe.
9 Jun 2012, 21:43 pm
Hougaard/Frans Steyn look very unhappy playing under instruction.
Spies is not seen as a leader in the team and is possible danger of getting sacked.
Bismarck seriously needs to get back to basics. I don’t want to sit here and praise him for his work as openside flanker. I don’t want to see a disjointed scrum and 3 lineouts gone missing.
Frans Steyn needs to lose another 5 Kgs. He is slow off the mark.
When we get all the injured players back and with a couple of months of cohesiveness we’ll be ready to take on the World Champs (who can only win World Cups in their daddy’s backward) All Blacks.
9 Jun 2012, 21:47 pm
I’d pick the following team:
15.) Joe Pietersen
14.) JP Pietersen
13.) Jean de Villiers
12.) Juan de Jongh
11.) Bryan Habana
10.) Pat Lambie
9.) Francois Hougaard
8.) Willem Alberts
7.) Siya Kolisi
6.) Heinrich Brussouw
5.) Andries Bekker
4.) Eben Etzebeth
3.) Jannie du Plessis
2.) Bismarck du Plessis
1.) Beast Mtwaria
16.) Adriaan Strauss
17.) Coenie Oosthuisen
18.) Juandre Kruger
19.) Marcell Coetzee
20.) Ruan Pienaar
21.) Morne Steyn
22.) Gio Aplon
9 Jun 2012, 21:52 pm
I’m glad that Meyer managed to get the Boks to turn it on in the second half. I also thought we looked pretty good at times though very raw and unpolished in the 2nd half. Hougaard needs to stop trying to be overly tactical and just play instinctively with quick service. Thats his game: he’s no FdP. Quick Hougaard service putting our strike runners into small holes on the front foot is all we need. Retention of possession, accuracy and handling and we can start fighting towards the top again.
The AB’s are going to be a heck of challenge, really concerning now that they have an excellent halfback in Smith to compound their ever present tactical superiority and continued rich player depth.
9 Jun 2012, 21:53 pm
@RugbyStudent(RugbyStudent)-15: I can see a fellow Stormers supporter in there somewhere. Don’t ever consider becoming a camoflague consultant.
9 Jun 2012, 21:53 pm
@RugbyStudent(RugbyStudent)-15: Really like that backrow, though maybe Coetzee for Kolisi in the starting lineup.
9 Jun 2012, 21:55 pm
15: rugby student:
Anyone who picks a south African rugby team without Frans Steyn is a phucking idiot!
The guy should be the first name on the team sheet! His defence is immense and given the right platform he can break any defense!
He is the ultimate Springbok! Heart, passion, and will do anything for that jersey
9 Jun 2012, 22:13 pm
@RugbyStudent(RugbyStudent)-15: thank f uuuuuuuk you arent doing the picking.
because your center combo have created phuckall all season buddy.
i repeat, phuckall.
one more time: phuckall.
9 Jun 2012, 23:26 pm
@fogdog10(fogdog10)-19: I am afraid that I cannot agree with you. At times he plays with passion, like at the last World Cup. But today? Come on!? He looked overweight, pedestrian and selfish (took contact on two or three occasions when he should have passed, one in particular which could have been a try). Frans Steyn has enormous talent, he has everything a modern player should have, but he is a disappointment most of the time, because he seems to LACK heart and passion. If you want to talk about heart and passion, lets talk about Gio Aplon. He has it in heaps. He takles like someone twice his size. He drives massive props back. He goes up for high balls, he finds gaps, he always plays his heart out. That’s why, if Frans and Gio were competing for the fullback position as they did last year, I would always pick Aplon. If Frans had Gio’s passion he would be IRB rugby player of the year 5 years in a row.
10 Jun 2012, 00:54 am
i missed the first few minutes of the second half can anybody tell me why was kirscener subbed was it tactical or was he injured,also with hougaard as it said on the caption on tv that pienaar was on for a blood substitution for hougaard but he never came back on.
10 Jun 2012, 01:05 am
The boks won so it was not pretty but if they had lost it would have been even worse.I thought the two locks done well on their debut,but i think next week flip must start with juandre with etsebeth on the bench.
10 Jun 2012, 01:41 am
@rangerman(rangerman)-20:
You can repeat your phuckall all you want.
Stormers sit top of the log. And the attack, including the centers, has been better than the cynicists suggest.
Or are you saying that the rest of the Stormers side is so much better than the other teams that they are covering for 12 and 13? Are you really? Good to know.
10 Jun 2012, 04:28 am
On a percentage basis: The Stormers players have the best performance per capita today.
10 Jun 2012, 05:29 am
Habana certainly looked hungry and ran around like an energiser bunny but his one good kick and run were nullified by being out of position, drifting infield and gifting the try. For the F Steyn haters; get a life. He was good, breaking the gain line and did you just maybe notice who nearly prevented the try Habana gifted Ashton; the slow F Steyn. I thought M Steyn played with a bit more freedom than at the Bulls. Hougaard similar, sloooow in parts but Bulls-like with the silly worm. I don’t think Kirchner disgraced himself by any means. Aside from a few incorrect knock ons, I thought the ref was good. One thing that has become a feature of NH teams is the attempt to kick the oppositions ball through the ruck. Interesting and potentially dangerous should a head be kicked instead.
10 Jun 2012, 08:06 am
Replace Hougaard and spies, rest did fine
10 Jun 2012, 09:00 am
@Rugbystudent,
Do you live in Stellenbosch, or the centre of Cape Town?
10 Jun 2012, 09:27 am
No one here see just how poor Morne Steyn was? He was terrible. Move Lambie to 10 bring in Pienaar at 9, move Alberts to 8, Coetzee, 7 and Keegan at 6. Yes 6 to fulfill the role of fetcher which our coach thinks is not necessary. We missed a real fetcher. Spies made three tackles missing two of them, yet some say he was good. People said OK just because he has been so bad before this…
10 Jun 2012, 09:31 am
Per capita?
Wtf?
10 Jun 2012, 09:34 am
Morne and Francois both had a poor game. The game was better in the 2nd half for sure, and partly that was due to Ruan being at 9. Hougaard with that whole human centipede thing……No other scrumhalf in the world needs to put 3 extra forwards between him and the ruck. Ridiculous actually.
10 Jun 2012, 09:37 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-31:
For sure! I have no idea what the aim of such is. Gives a scrummie more time, yet he had his kicks charged down a few times. Also enjoyed Coenie second half. He was made for Test rugby. Would start with him too.
10 Jun 2012, 09:39 am
What about
JPP
Mvovo
JdV
FS
Habs
Lambie
Pienaar
Coenie
Bissie
Doc
Eben
Kruger
Coetzee
Keegan
Alberts
An improvement?
10 Jun 2012, 09:50 am
@Gumboots(Gumboots)-32: Ja.It takes forever and tells the opposition exactly what you are going to do allwing them to get some big guys back there to field the kicks. Was a dismal failure each time he tried it.
Also enjoyed Coenie. Thought Strauss played better than Bismark.
10 Jun 2012, 09:54 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-34:
Strauss at 2 also an option… Means dropping the v/c!
10 Jun 2012, 09:55 am
This is the player ratings as per Rugby 365.
15 Zane Kirchner:
Not a great game for the fullback, who had a few aimless kicks and was left for dead by Chris Ashton in one attack. No surprise that the shepherd’s crook came out at half-time to keep Kirchner on the sidelines.
4/10
14 JP Pietersen:
Had a quiet first 40 minutes, but then looked for work later on and made a difference getting involved whenever he could.
7/10
13 Jean de Villiers (captain):
The new skipper was outstanding and with a gash under his eye only a brave man would have suggested he go off. A brilliant try with great determination to get over the line and some genuine speed to burn Chris Ashton down the touchline. He also kept a close watch of the dangerous Manu Tuilagi and didn’t allow him to break the advantage line.
9/10
12 Frans Steyn:
Has the rare ability to straighten the line, which is crucial for a quality inside centre. Carried the ball strongly and is a very clever defender cutting down the space for the opposition in the middle of the park.
7/10
11 Bryan Habana:
A fantastic break early on and he had couple weaving runs past defenders to worry the English defenders. Some brilliant chasing of high kicks to pile the pressure on and a good defensive effort as well.
9/10
10 Morné Steyn:
A solid game at flyhalf, controlling the game pretty well with some accurate kicking out of hand. Not a great goal-kicking effort in tough conditions, but no need to panic for the experienced No.10.
6/10
9 Francois Hougaard:
The feisty scrumhalf was very lively on defence in particular and cleared the ruck quickly when he could. Still things to improve on, but a good game.
7/10
8 Pierre Spies:
Had a decent match making a few good tackles and played fairly tight, but didn’t carry the ball as well as you’d expect from a man with his muscular frame and speed off the mark.
6/10
7 Willem Alberts:
Where has he been all season! Willem Alberts put in a great physical performance and carried the ball strongly building up a head of steam. He could still work on his handling a little, but a top-notch effort from the battering ram.
8/10
6 Marcell Coetzee:
A wonderful debut from the fearless youngster, but gave the side some great momentum with his countless ball carries at first receiver and also chopped down many Englishmen with his tackling.
8/10
5 Juandré Kruger:
A solid start for the new master of the line-out and he showed a lot of promise filling Victor Matfield’s boots.
7/10
4 Eben Etzebeth:
A robust physical clash from the youngster who looked good in green. He has a massive future and never shies away from the hard ugly work up front, earning the hard yards for his team.
8/10
3 Jannie du Plessis:
Some excellent scrumming and a great break in the middle of the field following the play well to be at hand.
7/10
2 Bismarck du Plessis:
A typically tough performance from the star hooker, who made a few turnovers and was cleaning out rucks brilliantly. One or two line-outs went astray, but overall a great match.
8/10
1 Tendai Mtawarira:
Slightly quieter by his standards, but the Beast was always on hand to clean out rucks and he did a great job of protecting the ball.
7/10
Replacements:
16 Adriaan Strauss: (On for Bismarck du Plessis – 65th minute)
Not long enough to be accurately rated
17 Coenie Oosthuizen: (On for Jannie du Plessis (blood) and then Tendai Mtawarira – 49th minute)
Some good work as a ball carrier, but it was his scrumming at loosehead that caught the eye with a few brilliant shoves.
7/10
18 Flip can der Merwe: (On for Eben Etzebeth – 59th minute)
Got involved in the rucks and did his job without making any errors.
6/10
19 Keegan Daniel: (On for Marcell Coetzee – 72nd minute)
Not long enough to be accurately rated
20 Ruan Pienaar: (On for Francois Hougaard – 56th minute)
Passed the ball pretty well and got the basics right, but didn’t make a massive impact.
6/10
21 Pat Lambie: (On for Zane Kirchner – 40th minute)
Made a big difference after coming on and has the knack for turning up in the right place at the right time.
7/10
22 Wynand Olivier: (On for Bryan Habana (blood) – 31-40 minutes)
Not long enough to be accurately rated
10 Jun 2012, 09:57 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-36:
Spot on I guess… Hougaard 7 out of 10 is flattering
10 Jun 2012, 10:08 am
@Greenbok(greenbok)-3: Yes. Habana’s been marginally good enough to play test rugby in the last FOUR years, his form has been consistently non-existent.
10 Jun 2012, 10:16 am
@Gumboots(Gumboots)-33:
We are going backwards if you are thinking pienaar is a solution.We need to give hougaard a few more goes at it.Pienaar has been around we know what he can do and its nothing electrifying where as with Hougaard he can change a game.
10 Jun 2012, 10:30 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-34: Agree with you, and Gumboots below you. Start Coenie and Adriaan. For all Bissie’s ‘fire’ (and the man is honestly a class act), I still believe he is the type best served to the opposition with 30 minutes left on the clock – a la P Divvy in the World Cup. Strauss is a great scrummager, accurate with his throws and get’s through a sh y te load of work – not as flashy as Bissie granted. Strauss imho is also a leader of men, and is exactly what that forward pack of ours needed in the 1st half.
10 Jun 2012, 10:46 am
@slavedriver(slavedriver)-39: Hougaard needs to regain his confidence mate. His scrumhalf play started going to the dogs once the talk of Fourie du Preez coming back started. Hougaard seemed to focus more and more on playing like a du Preez clone (granted he has always had to be that to a certain extent at the Bulls – but it got worse as the talk of du Preez being Heyneke’s No 1 choice tapped the airwaves). Hougie’s S15 form started dropping and it looked to me as though his confidence took a whack. (and Hougie is a confidence player). Last night he tried desperately to ‘gain favour’ – i.e. the quickly taken penalty etc, but it bombed, where on any other day it would have been vintage Hougaard. It is the coach’s job to believe in this kid – not the fans and I hope Heyneke works with him rather than take the 9 jersey away from him (at least until after the English tests if things don’t get better)
10 Jun 2012, 11:14 am
Imagine vermeulen there instead of spies, hell strauss from the lions would have had a much bigger impact than spies had.
10 Jun 2012, 12:01 pm
21 @ Viking
I couldn’t agree more. FS was plain average yesterday. Straighten the line my foot – he never went over the advantage line to create forward momentum like the sparkly eyed Shark supporters suggest. Nor did he pass or offload when he was supposed to and yes there was an overlap on one of those occasions. People on this site must have watched a different game to us. LOL
10 Jun 2012, 13:02 pm
@Pee Wee(Pee Wee)-43: What was concern is Jean, he was no better than Adi Jacobs yesterday. Frans was by far the best of the centres and all but one thing he did was successful. Frans made 3 offloads, two near the tryline, very good distributor too. His long passes were on display throughout that second half. I suggest you get your head out of your backside.
10 Jun 2012, 13:15 pm
44 @ Alucard
Please dude – its either you don’t know your rugby or you’re just plain ignorant – Frans was selfish yesterday. Take off your blinkers. JDV was easily the best centre on display. Steyn thought he could bash his was through the English. He should get over himnself!
10 Jun 2012, 13:18 pm
@Pee Wee(Pee Wee)-45: Frans distributed well, almost in equal measure to his carries. Either way, everything he did was positive, whether it was ploughing into the English gaining massive ground or slickly passing or giving neat offloads, Frans was the best centre by far.
Jean on the other hand was badly manhandled all game dominated even. He was run over three times by Manu. Could only better him by shoulder charging him in the face. Offered nothing ball in hand.
But I suspect you are a typival WP fan. Always very shortsighted, definitely wrong.
10 Jun 2012, 13:18 pm
lambie is average at best ill pick the clown over him any day
but in the same breath Aplon is way better than them both
10 Jun 2012, 13:19 pm
jean de villiers had his best game in a long time playing
outside centre take note toet
10 Jun 2012, 13:21 pm
few instances when habana broke yesterday if aplon was on the field would have been tries
10 Jun 2012, 13:24 pm
@saru1983(saru1983)-47: @saru1983(saru1983)-48: @saru1983(saru1983)-49:
Keep repeating your Stormers trash and we’ll keep ignoring you.
10 Jun 2012, 13:30 pm
@Pee Wee(Pee Wee)-45:
Getting forward momentum in the no.12 channel is the basic platform that this attacking gameplan is based on. Frans was awesome in that capacity yesterday.
The beauty is that he also has great ball skills in addition to his bulk and power.
He is absolutely crucial to our success under Heyneke’s gameplan.
His presence in the midfield gave us incredible stability. Our midfield defensive woes are now a thing of the past and our attacking play was looking very dangerous as well.
Step 1, Frans gets in shallow and carries it up and gets over the advantage line.
Step 2, Morne takes it deep and passes behind the dummy runners in channel 1, to take it wide for De Villiers to launch the second phase attack.
It was great to watch, and its only going to get better as they play together under Heyneke.
Next week will be a great game for us.
10 Jun 2012, 13:34 pm
The Boks were very good considering the lead in time. One week playing against each other the next week playing a test is a serious challenge.
No player disgraced himself. HM is right to stick with the same team.
England are on a hiding to nothing. The Boks outmuscled them and out thought them. This will be a 3 zip whitewash because HM won’t be charitable like pdiddy was to the Lions.
Once the players start tuning in to each other they have the potential to be great Bok side, especially when you look at the talent outside of the squad which will obviously be brought in as HM settles on his combos.
A few of the players got the nod because HM has worked with them before but the likes of Lambie, Aplon and Kolisi won’t be waiting long.
10 Jun 2012, 13:40 pm
A good solid start to the Meyer Era of Springbok Rugby. Well done to Heyneke, management and players. A bit churlish of fans to start assassinating any individual players after the first game. Is there room for improvement? Of course, yes, but to start cursing players after just one game is being far too premature. A lot of the non-supporting of runners could be due to the unfamiliarity each other. It will come together soon. It is also very obvious by the players criticized as to what provinces these fans cheer for.
There is a group of players however, that should be criticized heavily for their non-performance. They should be made to explain themselves. They should be punished should no reasonable explanation be proffered. I’m talking about the ubiquitous Player 23! How in hell can they not fill Kingspark Stadium for a Springbok Rugby Test match? For the first game of a new coach and new team with more Sharks players than any other province represented and the people of Durban could not fill their stadium!
A few years ago there were 20 000 empty seats for a semi-final against the Cheetahs. The Sharks supporters on this site offered all sorts of excuses. For the big important matches they told us Kingspark would be full. Kingspark rocks they would have us believe. The best ground in the world to watch rugby at is Kingspark they keep trying to tell us.
Well, pray tell, how is it the the ‘best rugby supporters in the world’ can’t fill the ‘best stadium in the world’ that show all other rugby lovers at all other stadiums just how it should be done? How is not that Kingspark was not full? Why were there any empty seats at all? Loftus and Newlands would have been sold out to the last ticket. The KwaZulu Natal supporters need to examine themselves and their commitment to their team and to the Springboks. Not filling their stadium for a Test Match is completely unacceptable.
Yes, there are genuine loyal sincere committed supporters but the inability to fill their stadium that they continually boast about proves that the majority of their ‘fans’ are not only fair-weather Johnsons but like the Fritzl Family of HeavenShame, the Petrock Predawn, and the Little Sister Fern, are not rugby supporters at all. They are simply big-mouthed braggarts who come onto Keo to make trouble, stir, insult and cause trouble.
Saru must ban Test Rugby from Kingspark and hold it at other stadiums like Loftus, Soweto or Newlands.
10 Jun 2012, 13:44 pm
@Dirty Harry(FckU2)-53:
There’s something peculiar going on in Durban this year. Even for the Sharks games the stadium has been barely half full this season.
What’s up, Sharks fans? Why is no one going to the rugby in Durban anymore?
10 Jun 2012, 13:53 pm
i am continiuously concerned about the mental state of some of the posters here on Keo, and even on some othe sites.
srsly. i think if we beat England by a 100 points, all the players scoring tries, and keeping them off the team sheet, there would be people complaining about that.
is it unhappiness in other parts of their lives that makes them vent about rugby in general?
10 Jun 2012, 13:55 pm
@Dirty Harry(FckU2)-53: Exactly. Not sure why we should ‘bow down’ to some of the very average Sharks players this lot round here herald as ‘the best in the business’, when the Durban locals obviously don’t feel the same. They don’t have much regard for either the Sharks or Boks (much less the individual players). Really pathetic from the Sharks praise singers. And then they whinge when I question their rugby pedigree? Rugby pedigree means, full stadiums amongst other things……
10 Jun 2012, 13:55 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-51: Tac go and watch the first try by Morne and you will see that the catalyst gor that try was in fact Coetzee taking it up at speed and quick recycling by Pienaar to get it out to Alberts in space. English defenders couldn’t get around in time to stop Alberts going over the advantage and offloading to Jannie, but it was Coetzee all afternoon who created the space for Alberts and Frans.
10 Jun 2012, 13:57 pm
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-57: “but” in the last sentence should read “and”
10 Jun 2012, 13:57 pm
coetzee was immense, consider his age and that it was his first test.
10 Jun 2012, 14:00 pm
@Dirty Harry(FckU2)-53:
“..who come onto Keo to make trouble, stir, insult and cause trouble.”
What was that comment the other day about us being…. “Dirty Harry(FckU2)-514:
“..ignorant sub-eductaed idiots.””
Skopshyte you are special…as in Down Syndrome special.
10 Jun 2012, 14:00 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-56: Guys all the baggage you guys are carrying towards Sharks supporters is going to weigh you down in life, get over it. Its not worth getting hot under the collar over us, we are a small province,insignificant in the greater scheme of ,it only serves to affect you
10 Jun 2012, 14:04 pm
Province supporters behind me at the game…reason I knew..they went, “Proviiiiiince” when de Villiers scored. They were also throwing ice at the marshalls on the field.
Thank you parents for living in KZN and bringing me up to behave like a man should behave in public.
Of course when I turned around to see who the culprits were everyone looked away. Cowards.
10 Jun 2012, 14:13 pm
Frans created nothing. All you JDV haters would obviously not see any bad in what he did. Funny enough JDV looked good without much help from him in anycase.
10 Jun 2012, 14:15 pm
Frans Steyn got across the advantage line which is good work for a centre. Stop being childish.
10 Jun 2012, 14:16 pm
Sharks fans are genuine Bok supporters………………so much so fans from other parts of the country have to fill your stadium for you. Disgraceful lol
10 Jun 2012, 14:17 pm
Awwwwwww the Sharkies standing up for Fransie.
10 Jun 2012, 14:21 pm
@Pee Wee(Pee Wee)-65:
As I said….stop being childish. Bok supporters come from all regions of South Africa…perhaps to a lesser degree in the Cape where the All Blacks have their very own “South Africa All Black fan club”. Are you planning on starting a “South Africa England fan club” in the near future? You should be able to harness quite a following there in the fairest Cape.
10 Jun 2012, 14:22 pm
I’ll leave it to Meyer. He believes he has the right combinations. No miniature backline for him.
10 Jun 2012, 14:26 pm
@Sharks fans are genuine Bok supporters. Stormers support England.(Predawn)-62: I left an answer for you on the other thread……..basically it said what a huge pity it was none of the ice they were throwing hit you.
10 Jun 2012, 14:31 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-69:
Those wheezy fat gits would have felt the wrath of the Great White Shark. It woulda been a feeding frenzy.
10 Jun 2012, 14:35 pm
@Pee Wee(Pee Wee)-63:
At 12, F Styen entirely depended on a good, timely ball from Morne Styen via Hougaard, a good ball that never happened.
When Pienaar came on, Fran started punching holes in case you missed it?
@Sharks fans are genuine Bok supporters. Stormers support England.(Predawn)-64:
Sound like PW makes an argument for JdJ’s inclusion?
The defensive work by the centres yesterday was monumental, they did receive some help from JP but that was it. Morne Styen, Habana and Kirchner contributed very little as expected.
10 Jun 2012, 14:35 pm
@Sharks fans are genuine Bok supporters. Stormers support England.(Predawn)-70: Left you an answer on the other thread Mr Great white shark. Your fighting name? Stage name? No man dude. It’s akin to the nerdy kid calling himself the ‘terminator’.
10 Jun 2012, 14:38 pm
The start that was wanted and needed.
Everything played against Meyer and the team and the scoreline flatters the Poms.
I see a serious hiding coming up next weekend if Meyer tweaks one or two things.
Well done coach & team.
10 Jun 2012, 14:42 pm
71 @ Hondo
So Frans “punched holes”…………as in broke the line…………….hehehehehehe. You obviously watched a replay of the Bokke vs Namibia game in the WC. Please show me where he broke the line?
10 Jun 2012, 14:42 pm
@Hondo(Hondo)-71:
If de Jongh and his other midget pal were so good, Meyer would have picked them.
I thought Habana was on top form boet. Even Donkey de Villiers had a game of note. Kirchner has a long way to go to prove himself but apparently Meyer will give him another start. Looking at the game again I was a bit happier with Morne Steyn..bar the kicking. Kirchner is my worry for now.
10 Jun 2012, 14:44 pm
@Pee Wee(Pee Wee)-74:
Don’t take anyones word for it. Just watch the game again on your PVR…or your moms..whichever.
10 Jun 2012, 14:45 pm
@Sharks fans are genuine Bok supporters. Stormers support England.(Predawn)-68:
HM needs urgently another big hitting guy at the Back line
We only measure the Boks vs the ABs and based on the ABs performance yesterday, their back line will run through as if the Boks backs’ defence is a sieve.
10 Jun 2012, 14:46 pm
@Pee Wee(Pee Wee)-74:
You have issues, my friend.
Actually, scratch the part after the comma above.
10 Jun 2012, 14:47 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-73: Absolutely PA and what is pleasing to see is how astute HM has been with his combo’s. FS forexample gives JDV enormous space and confidence and Marcel freeing up Willem with the first carry up over the gain line is important. Did think that benefitted enormously from quick link play by Pienaar when he came on.
10 Jun 2012, 14:47 pm
@Hondo(Hondo)-77:
We measure the Boks against the English for now.
Next ,we’ll measure them against Argentina.
And when we finally face the All Blacks, then Heyneke will pick the most suitable team so that we can measure ourselves against them.
Don’t get ahead of yourself.
10 Jun 2012, 14:50 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-80:
There will be no midgets in Meyer’s future plans either. Scratch the entire Province backline bar Donkey.
10 Jun 2012, 14:52 pm
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-79:
Like I said, couple of tweaks will do it for me.
Take Hougie and Eben to the bench, start with Pienaar and Flip – those two (Hougie & Eben) with Adriaan, Coenie & Clan can come on with 30 to go and seriously inflict pain on the Poms.
About the only two changes I would make.
2, max 3 training sessions as a team, 3 new combo’s (two in the tight 5!) with 3 new caps, at a ground we don’t do well at in heavy conditions which would have suited England? I was very pleased.
10 Jun 2012, 14:54 pm
The Messiah, the prodigal son, punched imaginary holes in the eyes of the masses who adore him. You guys are funny lol. I’d love to see the chosen one against NZ or Aus.
10 Jun 2012, 14:54 pm
A win is what Heyneke and the Boks wanted first up. And they did the job. Obviously, there is room for improvement and the guys who didn’t excell to their capabilities know who they are. You can’t hide from the team video analysis.
All 4 debutants will have decent careers – maybe even great ones – in the green and gold.
To single out a few players. Willem Alberts was immense so was Habana. JDV proved his detractors wrong. And Frans Steyn was collosal at 12 but needs better distribution skills and better awareness of the players in better positions around him.
Francois Hougaard will have to speed up his clearing and box kicking. Ruan Pienaar made a difference.
The only real disappointment was Spies. Everyone else was getting stuck in but he seemed to hold back. There are other players who want that no. 8 jersey.
10 Jun 2012, 14:54 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-82:
If I was England I’d be going into the Jo’burg test with a certain amount of trepidation.
10 Jun 2012, 14:56 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-85:
Indeed. I think they played at about 80% of their ability (they were quite good at various stages and plays) with the Boks hovering at about 60% at best.
Boks will improve by quite a margin in a week, don’t think they will.
10 Jun 2012, 14:59 pm
that team showed guts and there were glimpses of serious potential, i am quite happy with where we are going…
its a new era for Bok rugby, and its going to be an interesting ride…
10 Jun 2012, 15:00 pm
I am sure you will see a different England team next week we will definitely beef up the pack
And for ****** sakes we still havent solved the 10,12,13 problem!
Farrell, Tuilagi and Barritt great in defence but awful in attack!
Ben Youngs kicking game was poor he still hasnt recovered that blistering form he had. Amazed Danny Care didnt get picked hes without doubt the best scrum half in the NH imo
He was just incredible in the Aviva premiership final shame his behaviour off the pitch hasnt been as great
Jonathan joseph has to come in at 13 hes a really special young talent with electric speed, hands, step hes got that Jason Robinson ability in him very unpredictable he has to be given a chance
10 Jun 2012, 15:00 pm
@IAAS(I am a stormer)-84:
This thing about Spies holding back is nonsense.
He doesn’t hold back. It’s just that in order for him to have the pace he does, he has to forego wide hips and tree trunk legs. His build is athletic, not blocky and stocky, and therefore if you take him low he goes down, whereas an Alberts tree trunk leg could well bounce the tackler off completely.
In exchange for this, Spies has twice the pace of Alberts.
Spies is difficult to stop if you take him high, or if he has the space to employ a hand off with his powerful arms.
It is now up to him to try and come up with a strategy to counter the weakness that is his Usain Bolt type legs (as opposed to legs that can kick start a Boeing that some other loose forward Behemoths have).
Basically, he should try to get a lower body position, so that it isn’t so easy to get him around the legs, but it will always be a weakness of his.
He really is best employed when acting as a supporting runner into a bit of space, but let’s see if he can boost his strength in close conditions as well.
My point is just that it isn’t a lack of heart that keeps him back, but rather the inherent weakness created by his slim lower body build coupled with his length , which makes him vulnerable to tackles around his ankles.
10 Jun 2012, 15:02 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-86: also a bit more self belief and more cohesion.. we can also expect a few more plays from first phase possesion of set pieces.
and if we can start the game like we played the 2nd half, it will create opportunities for the backline in the second half.
i see the pom media is wailing and gnashing teeth…
10 Jun 2012, 15:03 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-82: I actually suggested before the test that he should go with Bulls lock combo. I did enjoy Coenie and Strauss as well, thought they were immense.
10 Jun 2012, 15:04 pm
Spies, Steyn, Hougaard, Kruger and Kirchner. How average were the Bully boys yesterday? Fark me when those replacements came on in the second half we looked much better. Time to lay these Bully Boys to pasture. How the hell did Spies get to stay on the field? HM substitutes Coetzee – who had a stormer on debut – with an eighth man while Spies gets to falter on! Also Morne Steyn is primarily in the team for his kicking – seeing his pretty useless at everything else – so what’s his worth to the team? Niknaks substituted after halftime – was he perhaps injured – didn’t look like it lol!
10 Jun 2012, 15:05 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-89: Thought Spies gave his all yesterday. HM will get him there with him playing off the shoulder of Marcel and we will see some dynamite then.
10 Jun 2012, 15:07 pm
with HM and Rassie there will be no space for passengers in ths team. they are just too thorough and proffesional to either miss below par performances or allow them to get away with it.
10 Jun 2012, 15:09 pm
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-93:
I agree.
Meyer seems to like a tall, pacy no.8 these days. Hence his inclusion of Kankowski in his squad as well.
The opposite would be to have a Vermeulen type player at 8, who isn’t as athletic, but would then give us three wrecking balls in the loose trio, but with significantly less pace.
Let’s see how it goes. Heyneke will retain what works, and get rid of what doesn’t. Whatever it takes to win.
10 Jun 2012, 15:09 pm
We can definitely beat the Boks
Our pack will get stronger (Shame Courtney Lawes got injured hes a real talent young 22 lock) with hopefully Danny care and Toby Flood at 9/10 and maybe a few chances in the centres (I doubt) there will be much more control and organisation in attack
Mike Brown hasnt played in a while for England thought he did well at FB, Ashton and Foden havent played well for a while
Ben Foden seems to have lost that ability to counter attack from deep hes much more conservative now
I hope someone like Christian Wade gets given a chance yes hes small but he can create and is a natural try scorer
Top try scorer last year in the junior world cup
Shame Joe Launchbury was injured he was our star player last year in the junior rugby world cup an amazing prospect
10 Jun 2012, 15:13 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-95: Yeah HM knows that primary ball off the back of a lineout is vital to a good game plan and Pierre is a very good lineout option and he gets the wrecking ball option with Willem. HM will play Vermeulen with Juan to keep that balance.
10 Jun 2012, 15:13 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-89:
We all know about Spies’s athletic ability. He is at his best when he has space in which to operate. Test match rugby doesn’t allow you that. And Heyneke himself has said that Spies doesn’t go well in heavy traffic and doesn’t always like the collisions. Rugby is a collision sport not a contact sport. Heyneke’s words, not mine.
Heyneke has said that Spies has to up his game. And I saw him drop a ball under no pressure at all. But then again most yesterday made a mistake.
Heyneke favours the big ball carrying loosies. And Heyneke likes Vermeulen. So do I. And I know you don’t.
10 Jun 2012, 15:13 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-89: Well if he hasn’t come up with a strategy to counter his ‘Usain Bolt’ type leg weakness after becoming the most capped 8th man in Bok history, he never will.
10 Jun 2012, 15:15 pm
@john123(john123)-96: I think anyone writing your lot off completely needs to have their heads checked. but they will have to dig deep. its going to be an immense 2nd test. any word on the injury list?
10 Jun 2012, 15:16 pm
@IAAS(I am a stormer)-98:
I just like a no.8 with both pace and power. Vermeulen would have the power, but he would be our slowest no.8 since, I don’t know, forever.
Wannenburg, Danie Rossouw, Van Niekerk, Jacques Cronje, all of them were much quicker than Duane Vermeulen.
10 Jun 2012, 15:17 pm
@ Tacticus
Spies is k@k – horse manure – popo. Take your pick!
10 Jun 2012, 15:20 pm
It will be a mistake to start Pienaar and bench Hougaard
Hougaard apart from the rush of brain to the head with the tap kick under the England poles actually had a very good ten – fifteen minutes in the second half before Pienaar came on. Hougaard was very instrumental in the M. Steyn try and his service was far better than it was in the first half. The entire Hougaard dilemma comes from him trying too hard to become FdP the II. He should simply chuck that stupid nonsensical ideal out the window and play his own physical dynamic game.
If HM starts Pienaar in next test it could go exactly opposite to what he wants to see. I said before kick off he should have started Vd Merwe and play Etsebeth off bench.. in this respect i was correct. Etsebeth sumply needs to grow into his capacity as the enforcer type No.4 lock, which he isn’t yet. Etsebeth and Kruger play a similar type game they both cover for the athletic No.5 lock spot, if its a hard liner No.4 thye looking for Etsebeth isn’t that player yet and by pushing him into that role too early they could actually undermine his long term career because its too much expectation of a player who has only just evolved into his senior portfolio in the team.
Coetsee is different in that respect because his role is Not to enforce but to play the to the ball harassing role which he does well. So its far easier to step up to a dynamic loose forward role than to become an enforcer at the tender age of 21.
Spies performed well at the duty that was expected of him which was play it safe off the back and take some line out responsibility at the back which he did well.. His ball carries into the fray of the opposition is still rather tentative, if you compare his forages into the trenches compared to say Alberts or Vermeulen he doesnt bust through tackles like they are able to do, but his line out takes and his recycle off the base of the scrum were OK.
The most telling aspect of the entire exercise was actually how well JdV captains the team.. this, like I said before is really what has cemented Boks into a dynamic go forward effectual outfit. His captaincy and leadership is what drives the whole.. same as he does at Stormers except here it is so much better pronounced.. HM is especially lucky that his initial calls for Matfield and FdP were rejected because only by default has he settled on the CORRECT captaincy for this team.. and if he’s thinking that when Burger becomes fit enough to start that he should automatically take Coetsee’s place at open side or take captaincy away from JdV it will be the biggest mistake Meyer could possibly ever make, and will be an outright failure.
10 Jun 2012, 15:22 pm
@roobarb2(roobarb2)-100: No havent heard anything official
We have suffered alot of injuries up front but guys like James haskell, George Robson, Carl Fearns, Graham kitchener could come in and beef the pack up
Alex Cobisiero could come back at loosehead althought thought Joe Marler played well
Our media in the UK dont care about rugby not heard a word about our defeat to SA in the British press
Everyone here is talking about the Euros
10 Jun 2012, 15:29 pm
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-103:
JDV has said that a move to 13 could lengthen his career a bit. And maybe even extend his captaincy of the Boks. For another year or two. HM won’t at this stage appoint a long term captain. Can’t see it happening.
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-101:
Vermeulen is not as slow as most make him out to be. Having said that, HM is spoilt for options at 8. The way I read HM – when all are fit and ready – it will be 1) Vermeulen 2) Alberts 3) Spies.
10 Jun 2012, 15:29 pm
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-103: Skop if you see the way FH played yesterday , there was no sniping etc. Only the occasional kick from the base but the rest of his duties revolved around linking play and as you quite rightly point out he was the scrummie that got the ball going out for the Alberts break, however he nearly botched it close to the line when Jannie ran into him. Pienaar offed the same and was perhaps better at it, we had incribly quick recycling in the second half. I do however like FH because he has enormous self belief.
Think you might also be right about JDV asskipper but then he learnt from the best didn’t he
10 Jun 2012, 15:31 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-101: Duane is very powerful runner and creates go forward,also tackles the player back in the tackle,will make a huge impact compared to Spies.Spies has speed,what does it help him?
10 Jun 2012, 15:31 pm
England should consider the following
Drop Barrit, perhaps play Goode at back, play Flood 10, Farrell / Tuilagi 12 / Joseph 13, Foden / Brown wings. Care / Young at 9 both similar type players.
And England missing a tough tight head Corbisiero and a tough second rower Lawes and a speedy back rower Croft.. otherwise they could be a handful.
10 Jun 2012, 15:32 pm
Willem Alberts is a beast we really did struggle to deal with him. Hopefully Haskell or Fearns come in they can deal with him
Ben Morgan was nursing a hamstring injury thus only played 60mins but when hes on form he will cause SA problems with his sheer power/pace talk about Pierre Spies being this destructive ball carrier well Ben Morgan was destructive in the six nations hes been a real surprise hes come out of nowhere really
10 Jun 2012, 15:41 pm
I liked how JDV was knocked on his *** a few times, but always stood up to the tackle.
10 Jun 2012, 15:42 pm
@john123(john123)-109: Spies and destructive don’t belong in the same sentence.
10 Jun 2012, 15:44 pm
@roobarb2(roobarb2)-110: Yeah,he needs to go low on Tuilagi,was made to look foolish being handed off like that.
10 Jun 2012, 15:45 pm
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-106:
Pienaar came on after we had already softened their resistance and we were already on the rampage through the advantage line.. Boks had already started punching holes through them at will and Hougaard was part of that and he simply got ahead of himself when he saw the try line 8 mts out and decided to try a tap kick and do a solo effort glory stint try… That why Meyer pulled him because he was afraid that his tendency to be too adventurous would cost us and hence he decided to throw Pienaar on to infuse a little more experience into the attack. Pienaar distributed OK but he is nowhere near as physical or corageous or defensively sound as Hougaard.. so to start Pienaar think will work against the momentum rather than enhance it for next week.
Hougaard started very slowly and tentatively advertising his intentions with his box kicking because that is what had been drummed into him as part of the FdP based game plan. His contribution in second half was far better and before Pienaar came on he was already speeding up his game and distribution substantially.
I’d start next week as this week perhaps with only considering a switch at lock. No.8 is still a concern though.. Spies did OK in the tentative game we saw from both sides yesterday.. If it breaks out into a massive physical confrontation I fear he may go awol and Boks might need a more physically demanding contributor in the loose.
Alberts is great as a breaking raging bull on the charge and in the tackle area, but in the down and dirty trenches only Coetsee is fronting up with Bismark there, and another hard liner to the ball proponent might be necessary.. ala Brussow.
10 Jun 2012, 15:46 pm
My team for next weekend,
15 Lambie
14 JPP
13 Jean Cpt
12 Frans
11 Habs
10 Morne
09 Hougaard
08 Spies
07 Alberts
06 MArcel
05 Jandre
04 VD Merwe
03 Jannie
02 Bismark
01 Beast
16 Strauss
17 Coenie
18 Etsebeth
19 Daniel
20 Pienaar
21 Mvovo
22 Olivier
10 Jun 2012, 15:47 pm
Gotta disagree with Heneke Meyer over Spies he was poor didnt really do anything
Pierre Spies is a bit like James Haskell but all muscle and brawn but when it comes to matches they disappear you hardly see them.
10 Jun 2012, 15:48 pm
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-113: Trouble is if you play Brussouw with Coetzee you dont have the wrecking ball option and Brussouw with Alberts wont work as Brussouw wont create the space for Alberts.
10 Jun 2012, 15:52 pm
our loosies have balance now, and HM will get the best out of Spies.
(or will eventually drop him)
10 Jun 2012, 15:53 pm
If de Villiers is a donkey what is Ashton?
10 Jun 2012, 15:54 pm
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-116: Hiyas PIesangs boet , ltnc
It will work if you played Alberts at 8 and Marcel at 7 with Brussow at 6
10 Jun 2012, 15:54 pm
Tuilagi is listed as 6′ 1″ at 242 lbs
Frans Steyn as 6′ 3″ at 220 lbs
Jean de Villiers as 6′ 3″ at 222 lbs
If anything Steyn is heavier than De Villiers in current conditioning .. but both give away 20 lbs at least 10 kgs to Tuilagi who is like a runaway mobile freight train, akin to Alberts with more gas to burn at outside center channel.
10 Jun 2012, 15:57 pm
@Hondo(Hondo)-71: Habana contributed very little? Even with your blind prejudice you must be able to see what a stupid comment that is.
10 Jun 2012, 15:59 pm
The media in the Uk are obsessed with Chris Ashton. I just dont see it with Ashton
Pundits keep going on about his support running and ability to sniff out tries sorry but for me I would like to see a winger recieve the ball and try to run over or around the opposite player
We have Christian Wade who can do that plus with ball in hand create and cause havoc in the opposition he always makes line breaks and because hes so small he can go throught the smalles of gaps
10 Jun 2012, 16:05 pm
what HM brings is excellent man management, what you’ll get is the best out of the individual players, and as a team that will be very hard to beat.
Habana is playing better rugby than in ages. Spies will improve, and Flip played well when he came on.
Very few silly penalties from the usual suspects, and with a few more weeks of playing together, along with Rassie’s technical nous, i’m very excited.
10 Jun 2012, 16:08 pm
@IAAS(I am a stormer)-105:
JdV should have been playing 13 since Fourie went to Japan.. I don’t know HOW the coaches at WP have MISSED the goddamn obvious.. De Jongh should have been at 12 LONG ago and JdV at 13.. this is exactly what has depleted Stromers attacking play… JdV is FAST.. and a brilliant ball carrier out wide, as we saw yesterday on two occasions once when he smoked Ashton around the outside and once when he scored a try breaking u=off his right and crashing through two defenders on the line. He has always needed to play to his strengths which is his top end speed and his visionary game which he CANNOT do at 12.. at 12 you need a gain line breaker, ala F. Steyn or de Jongh..
Also De Jongh would bring Tuilagi down every time because De Jongh would crunch him low and cut him down at the knees.. not attack him at his physical prowess which is his brute strength above the waist.
However JdV has proven 100 times or more what a great team motivator and sound clear thinking captain he is.. why the powers that be could not have recognised this 4 or more years ago. Boks legacy would have looked ENTIRELY different if JdV had captained Boks and Bismark had started since 2009 instead of that fatfunk clown that cost us the worst spate of losses we suffered under his NON captaincy since 2009 with Loss after Loss coming out of our ears..
Just look how more pumped and motivated this Bok team is with the CORRECT players starting and the CORRECT captain captaining the team.
HM’s making Bismark VC is also a psychological master maneuver because he has laden Bismark with responsibility and taken away any brainless explosive reaction out of his thinking, he gotta now think twice before reacting in preconditioned anger like he’s normally wired to do.
10 Jun 2012, 16:08 pm
@john123(john123)-115:
HM said that Spies had one of his better test matches. Talk about damning with faint praise.
10 Jun 2012, 16:14 pm
Tuilagi is a freak hes an animal he did the same thing to O’Driscoll in the HC its his body shape hes so hard to take down and when he runs at you he usually runs through you
Did you see his tackle on Willem Alberts in the first half the guy lifted him like he was some sort of 5 year old kid and stopped a certain try
10 Jun 2012, 16:17 pm
@john123(john123)-122: Christian Wade = Brian Habana, Wade destroyed the junior Boks last year at the JRC
Chris Ashton is a poor replica of Manu Tuilagi, and Tuilagi showed him his backside when it came down to a physical confrontation when he punched his lights out in a club induced frenzy.
Yesterday Ashton thought he was away when he got a break down the blind side, except little Hougaard reeled him in and brought him down from behind.
Ashton can produce when playing inferior physical teams.. against Boks or AB’s he won’t be given that kind of leniency. Even Habana climbed into him yesterday and drove him back in the tackle which shows that 50% of mental adrenalin can create as much destruction as 50% mass and physical endowment… similar scenario with Spies.. throw him into a physical war zone and he’ll stand back and let the others climb into the fray while picking his moments and only producing 50% of his potential, not the entire kitchen sink.
10 Jun 2012, 16:21 pm
@john123(john123)-126:
He actually used his forearm to the throat to bounce Jean off. Funnily enough, if he was the tackler he’d have been red carded for dangerous play.
10 Jun 2012, 16:21 pm
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-124: WOW!!! Is this the same louis schropnel who was screaming like a banshee a week ago about Heneke Meyer being fired by Saturday night, and the team selections being so very bad? I think I suggested then that youd be singing a different tune a week later, and also wondered aloud if youd have the balls to apologise for last weeks invective. Do you have a drinking problem louis? Or were you on medication last week? Either way, it is good to hear the sane louis analysing what was after all a decent start to Meyer’s reign as coach. Or did you maybe have Anger Management sessions during the week? Long may this continue.
10 Jun 2012, 16:22 pm
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-120: and there are some who are calling for JDJ to front up in midfiled – can you imagine Tuillagi running over JDJ who is 55 lbs lighter than that freight train.
10 Jun 2012, 16:24 pm
Christian Wade = Brian Habana, Wade destroyed the junior Boks last year at the JRC
The England team were brilliant last year. Remember Joe Launchbury? He was picked but got injured shame. Would have been interesting to see eben Etzebeth vs Launchbury
George Ford won the IRB player of the year and recently has been very impressive
I agree Chris Ashton is an average player but pundits/coaches seem to be obsessed with his “Support running”
Bryan Habana was immense yesterday he always seems to make breaks I wish the England wingers could do that
10 Jun 2012, 16:25 pm
injury list: Kirchner – ankle
Hougaard: facial bruising
Habana: took a heavy knock.
10 Jun 2012, 16:29 pm
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-124:
Got to say it. But you’re correct. Jean has a steady head on his shoulders and is able to think clearly. And question the ref’s decisions wisely. I hope Allister is watching closely.
JDV has not lost pace. And is not a donkey. Whatever HG thinks. I reckon JDV might be given the captaincy for the next year at least. Maybe 2 even. His career is coming to an end. He knows it. And HM knows it too. But they both have the passion of Bok rugby at heart.
The hunger of the Boks yesterday is what is impressed me most. Haven’t seen that committment for a while. The mistakes made can be corrected.
10 Jun 2012, 16:30 pm
The problem with Pierre Spies is that early on in his career, his coaches decided that someone with his physique and speed would make a fantastic looseforward, that he was wasted at wing. Unfortunately, they overestimated the effect that his physique would have on his looseforward skills and he turned out be not that great. He’s not as bad as people make him out to be (no team wanting to win trophies can afford a complete passenger in the loose forwards, so he must have some skill) but we expected better. We were told by the experts that he would the best flank in the world. We were told by Pierre himself that he would be the best in the world. But he isn’t. Not even close. So, we are disappointed and angry with him.
But it’s not his fault. Pierre is the sort of oke who will do what his elders tell him, and if his coach tells him to play flank, he’ll say “Ja, Oom” and he’ll play flank. If his coach had told him to play prop he would have played prop.
If Pierre Spies had stayed a wing, he’d be a legend. The cries of “Spppppiiiiiiiieeeeeessssss” from the crowds as he thundered down the touchline at full speed towards Shane Williams would have lasted for many seconds (until Shane Williams hauled him down by the ankles) instead of lasting just one second (and you haven’t even got to the- iiieeeess part) before the scrumhalf hauls him down by the ankles next to the ruck.
He’d have been our Jonah Lomu.
Spies himself would never ask to go back to wing. That would be like quitting, and the Oom before the Oom before this Oom told him that “Winners never quit and quitters never win!!” and he always remembered that advice. The coaches will never move him back to wing, because that would be admitting that you made a huge ****-up and you’ve turned what could have been a great rugby player into one who has been a big disappointment to everybody.
So I guess we’re stuck with him at 8th man.
10 Jun 2012, 16:33 pm
get rid of spies and lambie they both kaka sies.
10 Jun 2012, 16:34 pm
lol Leciester Tigers tried to convert Tom Croft into a winger he can run the 100M in 10.6 a few years ago but it didnt work
10 Jun 2012, 16:34 pm
@roobarb2(roobarb2)-132:
Is that the only way Meyer can justify not starting with him to the political asshats?
10 Jun 2012, 16:35 pm
For me the jury’s still out on Frans. When one considers the diabolical service that Hougaard gave his backs, 10 and 12 had very little space to operate in.
What impressed me about Pienaar, wasn’t just the speed of his clearing but his selection of who to pass to. He showed an awareness and authority that Hougaard still has to learn. As for some suggestions that Hougie needs to be given time, the Boks isn’t the place for that. Keep him as an impact player and 9/wing backup on the bench and let him hone his 9 skills in the S15 and CC.
10 Jun 2012, 16:35 pm
wow, the stats on Spies from yesterdays game is pretty amazing…
10 Jun 2012, 16:35 pm
@IAAS(I am a stormer)-133: Taute is the man to replace JDV at 13 in the long run. He is the same height and weight as JDV but is blessed with way more gas than the old man – and the good thing is that Meyer rates him.
There are some good centre coming through – big monsters playing in the SA u20 right now with bright future. Players like Paul Jordaan, Whitehead, Venter, Sadie. Ebershon and JDJ are just too light to take on the monster backs that Hensen has.
10 Jun 2012, 16:36 pm
when the hulk and vermeulen comes back spies will fly.
lambie is too scared to play rugby and cant drive anyone back in a tackle around the ankles.
england for the next win
10 Jun 2012, 16:37 pm
frans steyn 6 tackles – 3 missed.
http://www.rugbystats.com.au/matches/rugby/match16733.html
10 Jun 2012, 16:38 pm
spies will never be the player he was when he was on steroids end of story
10 Jun 2012, 16:39 pm
@David(David)-138: he has played about 8/9 matches at inside centre for the Boks in RWC matches – more than any other centre in SA rugby history – he is the man for the jersey.
10 Jun 2012, 16:39 pm
@RL(RL)-130:
JdJ would have brought Tuilagi down both times he went over JdV.. because JdJ would crunch him low.. Tuilagi would not get through JdJ.. how much you wanna bet.?
@greybeard(greybeard)-129:
HM was forced to resignedly accept JdV as his captain which was not his initial planned desire, and now he is very glad the decision was taken out of his hands.. HM was a bundle of nerves before kick off and it impregnated the team which is why they started so tentatively with Hougaard stuffing up he momentum first 40 minutes under pre conditioned game plan ‘orders’..
HM was explicitly relieved at game end when captaincy and traditional Bok gees broke through to inevitable triumph, and HM has even gone on record to say it was JdV’s motivation that turned the tide through his clear thinking leadership during half time in the change room.
De Jongh, Aplon and Kolisi should have been considered ahead of Olivier, Kirchener / Basson, Kankowski… those were and are still blatantly flawed decisions..
also his rushing Etsebeth into the enforcer role could go contrary to what is expected of the youngster.. he has only recently become mature enough for international rugby.. and enforcer status does not come overnight automatically.. Etsebeth is more of an athletic loose playing lock prospect similar to Kruger even perhaps a very good option at 8 in a big hard core trench war type showdown.. but if its a hard liner enforcer they looking for Vd Merwe or Elstadt or even Alberts or Sykes would be better suited at our current juncture. AB’s will not be a weak half baked setup like this England team who don’t have Lawes and Croft and a tough front row to enforce in a physical encounter. Etsebeth needs time to settle into the role HM sees him for him in the long run.
10 Jun 2012, 16:41 pm
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-145: Really not what I asked you louis – please answer my question. And please not with asinine **** about Meyer having his hand forced re the captaincy. As I suspected last week, you do not have the balls.
10 Jun 2012, 16:44 pm
@zub(zub)-134:
The mentality of a wing is generally to avoid being tackled and looking for opportunities to receive the ball. The psychological profile of a flanker is the exact opposite.
10 Jun 2012, 16:49 pm
Spies:
Tackles: 9
Missed Tackles: 1
Offloads: 1
Runs: 16(most in team) 101metres (most in team)
Rucks/Mauls: 17 (most in team- second highest 6)
Turnovers: 1
10 Jun 2012, 16:49 pm
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-145: if Tuilagi had landed an elbow to JDJ’s jaw he would have been out for the 10 count – lights out man down good night nurse!
Tackle low and all Tuilagi has to do is pop the ball off to the man running off his shoulder forcing desperate scamble defence. Tackle the All Black monster round the ankles and it is try time – that is fact no need to bet on that.
10 Jun 2012, 16:51 pm
the tuilagis have another monster who looks something like ashley johnson in the vodacom ad
Then there is the third of the brothers, the 27-year-old Olotuli. For centuries in the Pacific Islands, some of the men have been brought up to think of themselves as women and live a woman’s life. In Samoa they are known as fa’afafine. “Olotuli is fa’afafine, he doesn’t play rugby,” Freddie explains. “He wears a dress and make-up and if he walks around Leicester every one looks at him, thinking, ‘Is this a man or a woman?’ In Samoa it’s normal, there is no prejudice.” Olotuli is, says Freddie, the biggest of all the brothers – which means he is huge – and could have been another flanker like Henry.
10 Jun 2012, 16:51 pm
@RL(RL)-140:
Heyneke has stated that Taute WILL be a Bok. Thought you would like that!
I like the look of the Bok U/20 no.12. Serfontein I think, his name is. He looks solid. But in JDV, Taute, Whitehead, JJ Engelbrecht, JDJ, F Steyn, Sadie ( possibly), the centre cupboard looks well stocked for the next few years.
10 Jun 2012, 16:52 pm
@greybeard(greybeard)-146: what did you ask again? HM made a forced decision for his captain.. what asinine kak is that? Its the truth.. secondly what kinda arse about face question are you ACTUALLY asking grey arse?
The jury is still out on whether Meyer has the downright long term balls for this Bok job.. even PdV would have smacked this same England team into obscurity.. as he proved enough in his first encounter against European opposition at home.
Meyer was a bundle of nerves throughout.. and Jd came to his aide as only JdV could.. had FdP been captain yesterday you might have seen a complete other type of result to what transpired from a situation which Meyer was reluctant to initially address until the decision was taken out of his hands.
Now he’s very glad it turned out the way it has.
10 Jun 2012, 16:52 pm
@RL(RL)-140:
Conrad Smith isn’t exactly a monster, and he’s been the first choice 13 for a while.
@RL(RL)-144:
That means nothing when it comes to current form. He wasn’t anything special yesterday. Busy perhaps, but nothing great. Which is what I meant by holding back judgement until he’s played a few more tests.
10 Jun 2012, 16:52 pm
LouisSchroppoepol.
Lekker benefit of Hindisight . We all saw what you are describing.
This does not make you knowledgeble. The game was on TV. We all saw it, some of us live,
Now be a good boy and apologise to Greybeard for being wrong.
10 Jun 2012, 16:53 pm
any talk of a citing for that swinging arm?
10 Jun 2012, 16:54 pm
@IAAS(I am a stormer)-151:
Serfontein is the business but he’s playing 12.. he looks more like a Danie Gerber type 13 to me though.. Venter at Bulls will be a good long term prospect at 12, and Mapoe produced better that Taute when Lions took Sharks apart.
10 Jun 2012, 16:54 pm
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-152: I will leave you to your delusions. Youre an abusive fool louis, and not worth any more of my time.
Your abuse that you hurled on this site last week was nothing short of disgusting, and, as one poster said, bordering on libelous. I think you dont remember. Dont bother replying I’m out of here you disgusting little doos.
10 Jun 2012, 16:54 pm
Scroppie.
That toss you are speculating about as to what transpired at half time is entirely based on a throw away comment Meyer made himself about the excellent role DeVilliers played at half time.
Prove that is what happened.
10 Jun 2012, 16:55 pm
@IAAS(I am a stormer)-151: Jan Serfontein plays for the Bullies – they have some real talent those Bulls. Venter, Sadie, JJ Engelbrecht and the Jan. No need for them to keep the meisie.
I think that Pat Howard plays for the WP – better look after him or someone (read guppies) will poach him.
10 Jun 2012, 16:56 pm
@roobarb2(roobarb2)-148:
The interesting statistic there was 16 runs and one offload (pass).
Don’t know who puts those statistics together but I’m damn certain that Bissie, for instance, was involved in more than 16 rucks/mauls.
10 Jun 2012, 16:57 pm
@hensopper1(hensopper1)-154: Wrong about WHAT exactly.. you got some irrefutable evidence about what I was so wrong about..
Nothing I said thus far is wrong.. nothing before the game nor after it.. go do your homework dumbfck.. you still got plenty way to go before you find out what kinda DNA makes a true Bok from a false Bok in your highfalutin screwed up jaundiced estimations.
10 Jun 2012, 17:00 pm
To the one eyed pieces of **** on this site
no mention of Lambies knock on in the lead up to Mornes try
A knock on is a knock on regardless of the colour of the jersey you wear
show a bit of consistency
10 Jun 2012, 17:00 pm
@greybeard(greybeard)-157: go fetch your libelous incantations.. I wanna see your irrefutable evidence.
HM is thanking the Good Lord above as we speak that FdP chickened out and JdV stood up to the occasion.
Who wanna go and refute THAT.?
10 Jun 2012, 17:02 pm
posters being true to form here.
10 Jun 2012, 17:03 pm
@spartan(spartan)-162: did you see how Lambie was folded like a towel when he darted for the pom line – eina!
He is a brave heart and I’m not saying that because of where he comes from.
10 Jun 2012, 17:03 pm
Out to go watch some tennis.. I believe the top two players in the world are going hammer and tongs against each other
see ya later aligator
10 Jun 2012, 17:28 pm
Long term plenning. Etsebeth should play at 8. He has everything for that position. Look ahead HM.
10 Jun 2012, 17:32 pm
@KeurboomPark(KeurboomPark)-167:
That’s up to AC first.
10 Jun 2012, 17:49 pm
@zub(zub)-134:
Nonsense, Spies played no 8 from his Affies days, Heyneke had him switch to wing (U/20) as he saw him as a new Lomu, Spies did it for a season but asked to switch back to eightman
10 Jun 2012, 17:52 pm
@KeurboomPark(KeurboomPark)-167:
He’s going to be a very good lock, why waste him when we’ve got tons of loosies?
Who’d replace him on lock?
10 Jun 2012, 17:52 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-80:
What you see is what you get, considered it was a home ground test and a referee who circumvented all the 50/50 calls into the Boks’ favour, the grade is C-
It won’t be enough even against the Wallabies
@IAAS(I am a stormer)-98:
No assurance Vermuelen or J Smith will play test rugby again
10 Jun 2012, 18:04 pm
@victoriabok(victoriabok)-170: heh, its the old story, “this kid is great at lock! lets make him a wing!”
we use hammers to fix screwdriver problems in SA Rugby.
10 Jun 2012, 18:36 pm
@Hondo(Hondo)-171:
J Smith – I probably agree.
And Vermeulen – you say he won’t play test rugby again? Mate, he hasn’t played test rugby yet. But he will.
10 Jun 2012, 18:46 pm
@roobarb2(roobarb2)-172:
@victoriabok(victoriabok)-170:
Ja, craziness. The guy will be dynamite at no. 4. The Boks have more than enough options at 8 and other loosies. Too many guys getting their knickers tighened here. A young oke must settle in his position and make it his own. End of story.
10 Jun 2012, 19:00 pm
Agreed- we need world class locks now- we have plenty of great loosies- I see Elstadt the future at 7 also. Give him a few more years… in fact I’d have him now as a backup lock/ flanker- he’s better than Flop
10 Jun 2012, 19:06 pm
@bangkok-bok(bangkok-bok)-175:
And now you’ve gone and upset the Bulls supporters again!
How do you treat an upset Bulls supporter?
You just upset them a little bit more.
10 Jun 2012, 19:10 pm
I am uncertain what Heyneke is saying into what appears to be a “walkie Talkie”.
I mean their is only so much on field instructions you can relay to yr Captain.
Is he possibley recording his thoughts as the game progresses.?
10 Jun 2012, 19:16 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-119: Hiya SL sorry missed your comment earlier, went for a quick run. I don’t think you can play that back three cause you give away a lineout option , Spies with Alberts and Duanne with Juan are the best options for me.
10 Jun 2012, 19:29 pm
And not one mention of donkey. That’s good enough for me.
England in SA
Heyneke: Jean was brilliant
Durban – Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer has lauded the impact captain Jean de Villiers had in steering the Boks to a win over England at Kings Park here on Saturday.
De Villiers marked his debut as captain with a crucial second-half try to help his team edge out England 22-17 in the first Test of their three-match series.
“I must say there were a few nerves in the beginning with a new captain and few new caps,” Meyer said after a winning start to his reign.
“But I’m very happy with the guys, we stuck to our guns and I thought Jean did brilliantly as captain.
“We did really well in the second half in what was an exceptionally tough Test match. I’m just happy that we saw it through.”
The Boks started out promisingly enough against an English team also with a new coach, as Stuart Lancaster was in charge for the first time after being appointed on a full-time basis.
It was the visitors who went in front via a sixth minute penalty from Owen Farrell after debutant lock Eben Etzebeth conceded a penalty at the ruck.
South Africa hit back when a Morné Steyn up-and-under was not cleanly gathered, allowing some pressure to form with England then caught off-side, and Bulls flyhalf was able to level the scores.
England took back the lead when Marcell Coetzee entered a ruck from the side and Steyn levelled after the tourists were again off-side, bringing the scores to 6-6 before half-time.
“The plan was always to open up the game in the second half,” Meyer explained. “Jean was brilliant (in the change room) at half-time. I just said to the forwards it’s not good enough and they need to get more stuck in.
“I wanted them to up the tempo and they responded very well.”
After the restart Patrick Lambie was introduced to replace Zane Kirchner and South Africa eventually broke through in the 48th minute.
The try came after Brian Habana and De Villiers combined on the left, with Jannie du Plessis bursting through the middle, before the ball eventually made its way to Steyn on the right as he dived in.
On the hour, De Villiers took a pass from JP Pietersen on the right and powered over for his 20th international try.
10 Jun 2012, 19:31 pm
@IAAS(I am a stormer)-179: Interesting that JDV was in his natural position when he scored that try, he started off life as a winger
10 Jun 2012, 19:31 pm
@saru1983(saru1983)-150:
What the hell are you on about?
10 Jun 2012, 19:39 pm
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-180:
And then made the move to 13. I forgot about that. But he and Mossie did ok as a combo.
We all know his career as a Bok is coming to and end. Maybe one more year. But not another World Cup. If anyone wants to put his hands up for a job at 13, now is the time.
10 Jun 2012, 19:48 pm
@IAAS(I am a stormer)-182: I’d give Jean 2 more years there. Replacements? Taute, JJ (not yet)- Ebersohn (possibly)- who else?
10 Jun 2012, 19:59 pm
@bangkok-bok(bangkok-bok)-183:
Juan de Jong, Sadie. Even Jaque Fourie as an outsider if he decides to commit to Bok rugby again.
10 Jun 2012, 20:05 pm
JdJ won’t ever play for the Boks whilst HM is at the helm- he has made that really clear (too small). I have to say I agree. Sadie looks pedestrian since going to the Bulls. JF needs to come back but again- he isn’t a long-term prospect given his age. There must be some youngsters coming through in the VC.
10 Jun 2012, 20:13 pm
@bangkok-bok(bangkok-bok)-185:
There’s a youngster Serfontein playing 12 for the baby Boks. He looks the type of footballer that could slot in at 13 with ease.
As for Juan de Jong and Sadie – it’s still early days. HM has decided on his first 32 man squad – but he’s open to those who put their hands up.
10 Jun 2012, 20:54 pm
@bangkok-bok(bangkok-bok)-185: Elstatd?
10 Jun 2012, 23:17 pm
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-145:
de Jongh is one of the most one dimensional centres we have. Fast yes. Strong for his size sure. But creative? No way. He is a good player but there is no way he will be worth more than Steyn or de Villiers.
Overhyped one-trick pony.
11 Jun 2012, 02:36 am
so Meyer reckons his PrickBoks were “‘brilliant….awesome…unbelievable.”
They beat a sh*t, severely injury-depleted, 6Nation also-ran, co-RWC QterF chump, England, by a slim margin, at home. But atleast theres always ONE constant with the whinging Yappies…
Capt duh Villers the ref was “‘quick on the call’ [to penalise the Springboks]”
even when they win they always question the refs integrity. As if the PrickBoks have got any themselves.
11 Jun 2012, 02:43 am
Meanwhile the Wallabies ravaged the Grand Slam, RWC Semifinalists, Wales. With room to spare. And noone here thinks they were “brilliant…..awesome…..unbelievable”.
Genia & Quade are going to make the tattooed dwarf and his cohort at flyhalf, Krusty Krab, look like pedestrians come the 4Nations.
11 Jun 2012, 02:49 am
@PrickBoks going South(PrickBoks going South)-190:
Don’t feed the troll.
11 Jun 2012, 02:54 am
@PrickBoks going South(PrickBoks going South)-190:
> Meanwhile the Wallabies ravaged the Grand Slam
Yet last week the Scots bu-tt fuc-ked them harder up the cinnamon ring than your Aussie boyfriend does your pale Canadian a-ss
11 Jun 2012, 02:55 am
@lightie(lightie)-191:
hand back the pigs slops then, it was already too good for you in the 1st place.
11 Jun 2012, 02:58 am
@PrickBoks going South(PrickBoks going South)-190:
> Meanwhile the Wallabies ravaged the Grand Slam, RWC Semifinalists, Wales
Meanwhile the Wallabies lost to Scotland, LAST on the Six Nations log, that is even below Italy
11 Jun 2012, 02:58 am
@victoriabok(victoriabok)-192:
Im not too sure a whinging Yappie is best placed to lecture anyone about the qualities of Scotland rugby.
or Ireland
or English club teams.
LOL
11 Jun 2012, 02:59 am
@PrickBoks going South(PrickBoks going South)-193:
Hilarious. Any more chirps on your shoulder?
11 Jun 2012, 03:03 am
Even Canada would fancy their chances.
11 Jun 2012, 04:06 am
@victoriabok(victoriabok)-192:
“bu-tt fuc-ked them harder up the cinnamon ring”
Lovesaprickinhismouth does that to his mother as well……..
They lost to Scotland at home……….shame
11 Jun 2012, 04:43 am
@PrickBoks going South(PrickBoks going South)-197:
what in thuggery you jerk
11 Jun 2012, 05:26 am
@whatever(whatever)-198:
I suppose losing to a Test nation like Scotland is still less embarrassing than losing to your own PrickBok deadweight castoffs playing for an English club side tho.
11 Jun 2012, 05:28 am
@slavedriver(slavedriver)-199:
when was the last time the Canucks shoehorned 1 of their players back in a national jersey after gouging an opposition player ?
11 Jun 2012, 05:35 am
@PrickBoks going South(PrickBoks going South)-201:
The only thing you shoehorn, is your mother, up the naught
Twat face
11 Jun 2012, 05:38 am
@whatever(whatever)-202:
its ‘nought’, sweetheart. Like your Daddys sperm count.
get yourself and education.
11 Jun 2012, 05:42 am
@PrickBoks going South(PrickBoks going South)-203:
same difference dingbat, it’s called slang. There are no rules for slang…… small hole amongst the fat that you like so much
Go give her another shot!
11 Jun 2012, 05:43 am
@PrickBoks going South(PrickBoks going South)-203:
“get yourself and education.”
yeah dude, preach some more………..idiot
11 Jun 2012, 05:47 am
lol
I see Prickboks is out and feeding the fish. He has had some good bites as well.
What i find funny is the one that commented, dont feed the troll, as he bites first. lol
11 Jun 2012, 05:55 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-206:
you going to the CHCH test?
11 Jun 2012, 06:00 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-206:
Only thing he feeds dude, is his and his mother dirty little habit
11 Jun 2012, 06:05 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-207:
Would love to but i am a wimp.
Too cold dude
11 Jun 2012, 06:21 am
@whatever(whatever)-208:
is your grammar ‘slang’ as well ?
Life must be challenging enough being the demented by-product of your Daddys @nal reproduction with a Kiwi sheepfarmer.
11 Jun 2012, 06:26 am
@PrickBoks going South(PrickBoks going South)-210:
yeah yeah whatever doos face!
11 Jun 2012, 06:36 am
@whatever(whatever)-211:
really scraping the slang-barrel now, arent we buttfuckedbaby ?
(ps – I just made that slang up but feel free to use it amongst your other @nal-siblings).
11 Jun 2012, 06:46 am
@PrickBoks going South(PrickBoks going South)-212:
yawn………..mommies calling, run along now theres a good iloveaprickinmymouth
11 Jun 2012, 06:58 am
@PrickBoks going South(PrickBoks going South)-212:
Got a real fascination with the all things anal havent you.Those mental pictures of your dad getting rogered over the sofa by your kiwi grandfather must cut deep.Get over and stay away from kids.
11 Jun 2012, 07:28 am
@whatever(whatever)-213:
Hey buttfuckedbaby
your @nal-twin just turned up.
@slavedriver(slavedriver)-214:
11 Jun 2012, 07:33 am
@PrickBoks going South(PrickBoks going South)-212: you are being silly.
wake up.
11 Jun 2012, 08:01 am
@PrickBoks going South(PrickBoks going South)-215:
And you love us both by the sounds of things.Your fantasies are a worry.
11 Jun 2012, 08:20 am
@rangerman(rangerman)-216:
are you their Daddy ?
Now dont go confusing that with ‘Father’, either.
11 Jun 2012, 08:22 am
@slavedriver(slavedriver)-217:
‘Pity’, most definitely. But yours is a face only your Daddy could love.
Has he seen your face yet ?
11 Jun 2012, 08:37 am
@PrickBoks going South(PrickBoks going South)-219:
You most probably wouldnt know who your real daddy is being from hillbilly country.You and all your uncles and cuzzies all very similar.You sure you aint got no keeweee in you as i see there is a bit of incest going on down there and all.
11 Jun 2012, 08:50 am
@PrickBoks going South(PrickBoks going South)-218: even sillier.
get ahold of yourself.
wake up.
11 Jun 2012, 09:16 am
@rangerman(rangerman)-221:
this aint a morgue, sweetheart.
I’ll go easy on you but only if you could just give the twins a break now’n'then, Big Boy.
|wink|
11 Jun 2012, 09:34 am
@PrickBoks going South(PrickBoks going South)-222: you are losing your grip.
wake up.
11 Jun 2012, 09:37 am
Any recent talk of SARU moving their game to the NH?
11 Jun 2012, 09:45 am
@rangerman(rangerman)-223:
Your problem appears to be an inability to stop gripping,
sweetheart.
11 Jun 2012, 10:02 am
@Brads(Brads)-224:
I assume the answer is no.
However the Bok’s have yet to play NZ and Aus this year, so give it time!
11 Jun 2012, 10:02 am
@PrickBoks going South(PrickBoks going South)-225: ok you have officially lost it.
wake up.
11 Jun 2012, 10:12 am
Is Habana realy rated as highly as Meyer says, or is there a dearth of talent available for him to select from?
Me thinks so!
11 Jun 2012, 10:20 am
Very diplomatic, but very predicable. Led of course by the media who love this *****.
“Speaking about the officiating at the breakdown De Villiers explained he felt referee Steve Walsh was ‘quick on the call’ [to penalise the Springboks], but stressed the responsibility rests with them to improve.”
You can’t have a game of top rugby involving SA where the Ref doesn’t impinge on the efforts of the SA’n team to the exclusion of the opposition.
11 Jun 2012, 11:24 am
@rangerman(rangerman)-227:
“I used to blog alot more here….”
nice bedtime story, save it for the kids for when they
wake up
11 Jun 2012, 11:26 am
@Brads(Brads)-229:
Simple. From birth 1 side of the brain is immediately extracted.
11 Jun 2012, 11:36 am
@PrickBoks going South(PrickBoks going South)-230: you are reaching again.
wake up.
11 Jun 2012, 12:20 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-232:
tell us more about the time you used to blog so much more but then walked away because your high moral standards were being insulted.
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