Olivier aims to shatter perception
19 Jun 2012
Wynand Olivier says he will use a start against England to convince everybody including himself that he belongs at the highest level.
Olivier is set to replace Frans Steyn at No 12 this Saturday, as Steyn has plans to get married and has been granted a release from the squad.
Saturday will mark Olivier’s first start for the Springboks since 23 July 2011 when he played for a dirt-tracker South African side on a winless Australasian tour.
The last time Olivier started for a full-strength Bok team was back in the 2010 Tri-Nations. Then coach Peter de Villiers was swayed by senior Bok players to give Olivier a final chance, and unfortunately it was a chance Olivier didn’t use to alter the perception that he wasn’t Test quality.
De Villiers then dropped Olivier completely, only recalling him in 2011 when the majority of the first-choice players were not available. Once again, Olivier blew this opportunity to impress, and was not picked for the World Cup squad.
His most recent recall to the national side has come as a shock, although Meyer has responded to criticism by pointing to Olivier’s experience. Nevertheless, there is a sense that there will be no more chances following this Saturday’s Test, and nobody is more aware of the fact than Olivier himself.
‘I don’t want to say I’m going out there to prove a point, it’s more about proving to myself that I can make the step up to international rugby,’ he said.
Olivier has played off the bench in the last two matches, and it’s been clear that England prefer to attack the Boks’ 10-12 channel when he is on the park.
Defence coach John McFarland confirmed that Olivier made more tackles than any other Bok back in the second Test, and what this stat indicates is that the England attack have targeted his channel as a potential weak point.
Olivier feels that he can cope with the hard-running England backs this Saturday and that he will also offer the Boks some strong options on attack.
‘Manu Tuilagi is a big guy and I’m looking forward to the challenge of stopping him,’ he said. ‘I am enjoying playing alongside Jean [de Villiers]. We haven’t played [as a midfield combination] since 2006 and 2007. He’s a guy with a lot of experience and I believe he will also bring something else to my game.’
Olivier believes he can succeed where he has failed before, that he can show his coach and team-mates that he is more than just a solid Super Rugby player. While there is pressure to perform in this situation, Olivier said that he won’t let it affect his confidence.
‘I’ve been out of the team for a while now, but it feels different now compared to when I was involved with Jake White’s team and then Peter’s, I was young back then. I’m more experienced now and more relaxed and focused on what I need to do.’
By Jon Cardinelli, in Port Elizabeth
453 Comments
19 Jun 2012, 13:53 pm
Optimistic Dragon
19 Jun 2012, 13:54 pm
The boks will have to beat the English with 14 men
19 Jun 2012, 13:55 pm
Piss off with your Goebels-style repetitive propaganda, Cardinelli.
19 Jun 2012, 13:58 pm
Surely HM’s not trying to say that this currently SA’s third-best centre…?
19 Jun 2012, 13:58 pm
Stange that Olivier admits that he was poor and given a get out of jail free card from his ex Bulls Coach… PdV said he was finished and klaar… Poor oke…
19 Jun 2012, 13:59 pm
At least he should know that there are about five people who think he has what it takes….
19 Jun 2012, 14:05 pm
How can we justify playing a centre pairing that last played together in when 2007.
4fksake Coetzee and Etzerbeth were playing under 14 when this pairing was already so terrible. that nobody had the courage to put them together for another 5 years.
19 Jun 2012, 14:07 pm
Let’s pray that it is the red wine scenario…
19 Jun 2012, 14:07 pm
‘I don’t want to say I’m going out there to prove a point, it’s more about proving to myself that I can make the step up to international rugby,’
Doesn’t fill one with confidence does it? Ironically, i think his combination with Morne does doesn’t work in test rugby. Morne’s static play, combined with the lack of explosive speed or brute strength of Olivier, highlight’s the difference in pace between test and super rugby. Olivier would fare much better with a flyhalf who plays flatter and attacks the advantage line, because defenders would be as committed to the inside center channels with a flyhalf who possesses line-breaking ability.
19 Jun 2012, 14:07 pm
At least he also knows that he’s not up to standard. How can one player be afforded so many opportunities? This Bozo had his chance, blew it, had it again, blew it again, had it again, blew it again etc….
There are other guys who are just as (if not more) talented who haven’t had a SINGLE shot. WO just doesn’t have what it takes to make the step up. Whatever you need at international level, guts, level-headedness, heart, balls, who knows? He ain’t got it.
19 Jun 2012, 14:08 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-3: Your repetitive and entirely unsubstantiated defense of Olivier is also kinda repetitive.
19 Jun 2012, 14:08 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-3: This hardly qualifies as propoganda Tac, the man just stated the facts. WO was not terrible, he was just sub par. I hope for him that he somehow finds the form to be ffective at this level, but I doubt it.
All the best of luck to WO (won’t call him Meisiekind, seeing as he stopped dying his hair like a girl).
19 Jun 2012, 14:11 pm
After 30-odd tests, he still has to convince everybody including himself that he can play at test level?
19 Jun 2012, 14:22 pm
one test wonder for the girl from the bulls – doesnt matter Steyn will be back for the next test
19 Jun 2012, 14:23 pm
One thing you don’t want is a group of Englishmen to whiff a weakness in the armoury. They are gonna pile in on Wynand should Tuilagi one-up him in the most miniscule manner possible. You know how they do!
Anyone remember De Wet Barry’s last chance match against France at Newlands in 2006…
19 Jun 2012, 14:23 pm
Noone doubts that hes a decent rugby player but he hasnt played well at test level since 2007 and people want to see form being rewarded.. In this case Juan De Jongh should have been in the squad but Olivier was picked because Meyer likes him and feels sorry for him.
19 Jun 2012, 14:24 pm
OTO = one-try Olivier. One try in 36 tests– and that versus Italy. That’s a slow-pedalling world record for a midfielder.
19 Jun 2012, 14:25 pm
Olivier is a passanger on the field for the boks. Does the basics but won’t contribute with that extra bit that’s needed by any Springbok player. Since when has mediocre become an acceptable yard stick when picking Bok players. I’ve never rated him and wouldn’t mind seeing the back of him after this test. Besides, who is he think he’s fooling with that new haircut anyway???
19 Jun 2012, 14:26 pm
This guy makes Pierre Spies look like a legend… Brian O’Driscoll, Danie Craven, Phillippe Sella, Frank Bunce, Tim Horan, Wynand Olivier…. Choose the odd one out…
19 Jun 2012, 14:27 pm
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-17:
Only bambie with 14 test and zero tries will probably be able to score less tries, and that from fullback…..
19 Jun 2012, 14:28 pm
“…..coach Peter de Villiers was swayed by senior Bok players to give Olivier a final chance…”
I wonder if it was his Bulls gatgabbas (Matfield, FdP etc.) that convinced PdV to give him another chance.
It sure does not say much for PdV’s authority as a coach, or is it the players lack of respect for the coach?
Could we deduct that HM just took over from Matfield and co. to give WO another change?
What has he got on them?
19 Jun 2012, 14:32 pm
@TooMuchRugby(TooMuchRugby)-21: You do realise that that statement is made up completely by the esteemed writer of this article?
19 Jun 2012, 14:32 pm
All the springbok and bulls coaches and selector over the past 8 years have selected WO… Surely they should know a bit more about rugby than the odd stompie and guppie supporters…..
19 Jun 2012, 14:33 pm
@line break(line break)-19:
Odd one out is Danie Craven, he was a scrumhalf.
19 Jun 2012, 14:33 pm
@BishopsOD(BishopsOD)-15: That game was on ESPN few weeks ago, we lost and Barry was toilet!!
19 Jun 2012, 14:35 pm
@Craven(Craven)-24: or Brian O’Driscoll – never won a test against NZ
19 Jun 2012, 14:38 pm
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-17: for once i do agree with you. Could you see the all blacks sticking with a player of his calibre?
19 Jun 2012, 14:40 pm
it’s more about proving to myself that I can make the step up to international rugby,’ he said.
Hahahahahahaha he´s had how many shots at it now?? How many caps?? And he´s still trying to prove he can make the step up???? FFFFFFFSSSSSSS
Heyneke Meyer trek jou kop uit jou poephol uit asseblief. The selections have got to imrpove. The rest I´m happy with but the selections are very detrimental to the Bok cause… players who shouldnt be anywhere near the squad at present – Werner Kruger, Keegan Daniels, Ryan Kankowski, Wynand Olivier, JJ Engelbrecht, Zane Kirchener. 4 of them Bulls. ruk jouself reg. Kolisi should have been above Daniels or Brussouw, Ashley Johnson leaving or not should have been above Kanko, Juan de Jongh above Olivier, Ebersohn above JJ, and Kirchener just got in due to injuries to guys like Pietersen and Taute I hope. Kruger is a tough one cos really we are lacking in the 3 department but in that case maybe trying something new like calling up Coenie for 3 instead of 1 cover and choosing Greyling as 1 cover.
Or try out WP Nel maybe?
19 Jun 2012, 14:45 pm
I rest my case… Will always sound like sour grapes…
19 Jun 2012, 14:47 pm
Delusional to say the least.Seriously Timo?So,you want to prove that,after 37 opportunities,that you can make it at test level.heheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheh….i can’t stop laughing….hehhehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe
19 Jun 2012, 14:47 pm
wynand olivier must be a great guy off the field seeing as so many ppl are willing to ‘give him another chance’. JdJ is a much much better player on so many levels. His defence is solid, definitely has more attacking skills and deserves it more.
19 Jun 2012, 14:49 pm
@logie_Jumpbuck(logie_Jumpbuck)-31:
It is called pay back time… Sorry but the truth…
A few very poor selections which make the man look a wee bit silly.
19 Jun 2012, 14:49 pm
@Beertjie(Beertjie)-22: Waar daar ‘n rokie is…..
19 Jun 2012, 14:52 pm
“…it’s more about proving to myself that I can make the step up to international rugby,’ he said.”
Well, at least he is honest with himself. Admitting that he not make the step up to international rugby yet. Even after 36 test.
All the best to you then WO.
Hope you will be honest with yourself if you don’t make the step up on Saturday and announce your retirement from international rugby. Concentrate on the Bulls.
19 Jun 2012, 14:52 pm
Gio Aplon, Kolisi and JdJ should be in the team, all WP players. It is a bit worrying that Heyneke won’t pick them ahead of old dinosaurs like WO.
19 Jun 2012, 14:53 pm
All the stompies supporters are asking for Tuilagi to run at midget JDJ the whole game….. You guys are more delusional than I thought…..
19 Jun 2012, 14:53 pm
@TooMuchRugby(TooMuchRugby)-33: rokie uit ‘n tik pypie? Then the keo “reporters” might be on (to) something
19 Jun 2012, 14:53 pm
The 10-12 axix will be attacked by the Eglish.On the Stormers website there are photos of Kolisi peosklapping both Morne and Timo on his way past them.Classic defending from the two that day at Newlands.
19 Jun 2012, 14:54 pm
@stormerforlife1(stormerforlife1)-38: axis
19 Jun 2012, 14:54 pm
@logie_Jumpbuck(logie_Jumpbuck)-35:
…that is the bias that concerns most…of course we get slated for even suggesting such…
19 Jun 2012, 14:55 pm
@Meerkatte(phil72)-36:
…no he will be running WO whole game mate…watch and enjoy…
19 Jun 2012, 14:56 pm
@logie_Jumpbuck(logie_Jumpbuck)-31: My 58 year old neighbour who suffers with mild dementia is also a great person – but I don’t see him being given 38 chances to prove himself as an international 12.
Olivier either has the dope on the entire BB brigade, or he delivers on some other as yet unknown level.
This B grade squad of ours is the stuff of nightmares – the squad, not the starters.
19 Jun 2012, 14:56 pm
In all my time on this site I have never seen Tacitus swear twice in one day.
Unfortunately the gravitas is slipping.
19 Jun 2012, 14:58 pm
Real Goebbelsdy-Gook stuff, this article.
Honest and Loyal Bok patriots will be behind Meisiekind for this test… Just like they got behind Captain Donkey….
Go Wynand….
Bokbefok….
Like Bismarck, JPP, Coetzee, Alberts, Lambie, Kruger have done… Proper Bok supporters will enjoy the figurative middle finger you will no doubt give to those StormerPom envious sensibilities…
Schweet like a Lemon…
19 Jun 2012, 14:58 pm
@Meerkatte(phil72)-36: Oh yes? And pray tell just when it was you decided Juan de Jongh was “weak” in defence? Dates, times and opponents names please.
19 Jun 2012, 14:59 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-44:
I thought you left.
19 Jun 2012, 15:01 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-45:
I was at Loftus and saw both de Jongh and De Villiers tackle the daylights outta the Bulls centre pairing… I must have been watching a totally different game of course…
19 Jun 2012, 15:02 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-42: ‘delivers on some other as yet unknown level’ LMAO! Hahahaaaa. Yeah, iD love to sit in on the post match video reviews and hear exactly what he did on the field that makes him so special!
19 Jun 2012, 15:02 pm
The propoganda of big is better has really got to some… The coach has confused some but not the rugby knowledgeable bunch…
19 Jun 2012, 15:03 pm
Lambie, Aplon, De Jongh may be small but they can tackle…
19 Jun 2012, 15:04 pm
You have a lot to learn about rugby….Wynand can still dominate the collision point ( what this means is he has the ability to tackle someone backwards or crash over the advantage line). JDJ does not have this ability!( too small) Meyer is building his game plan around controlling the collision (why we not playing a fetcher). Why would we want to play a midfielder that does not suit his game plan?
19 Jun 2012, 15:06 pm
@Meerkatte(phil72)-51:
Would be like selecting Btaam van Straaten to play a running game or Skinstad on a wet cold New Zealand evening…….
19 Jun 2012, 15:06 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-3:
19 Jun 2012, 15:07 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-44: so i take it you were a big Jorrie Muller fan when he was in a green jersey, despite his limitations as uhmm, say, a rugby player.
19 Jun 2012, 15:08 pm
@Meerkatte(phil72)-51:
Will this be evident after 70 internationals perhaps?
19 Jun 2012, 15:08 pm
@logie_Jumpbuck(logie_Jumpbuck)-48: Welllllllllll, he was on the field for quite a while on Saturday, yet all the ‘experts’ in their Sunday ratings of the Bok players COULDN’T give him a rating. He got a “-” below his name with the comments: ineffectual with no influence on the game.
How that translates to ‘fitting in with Meyer’s gameplan’ as explained by Wynie Meerkatte is damn confusing.
19 Jun 2012, 15:09 pm
@Gumboots(Gumboots)-47: I was at Newlands where JdJ did not too bad against the bigger,fitter and stronger Sadie and Olivier.
19 Jun 2012, 15:09 pm
@Gumboots(Gumboots)-50: And more importantly- they can run and find the gap
19 Jun 2012, 15:09 pm
@Meerkatte(phil72)-52:
And yes…. JDJ can tackle but cant tackle someone backwards also not to great with the crash ball…..
19 Jun 2012, 15:10 pm
@Meerkatte(phil72)-52:
…being stupid enough to select a player who couldn’t perform in 30 odd internationals before…
19 Jun 2012, 15:10 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-56: Wynie Meerkatte?Classic.
19 Jun 2012, 15:11 pm
@Meerkatte(phil72)-59:
The Stormers are masters at tackling backwards mate…it is their strength…you point is?
19 Jun 2012, 15:13 pm
i feel sorry for WO after reading this, lets all just hope he has a good game for the sake of the team
19 Jun 2012, 15:14 pm
@Meerkatte(phil72)-51: oh what utter bull s h i t!??? How is not able to step or pass properly as a center make you dominate the tackle point? What crashing into the defence ala japie mulder or Heinrich Fulse (remember him play under mac?) make you a better No.12???? I’ve played rugby for long enough to know that the all blacks and the wallabies have had a better backline than the boks for the last 20years mainly because they can run and off-load, as apposed to playing crash ball rugby. Mark my words, with the new breakdown laws, this game will not work against the all blacks.
19 Jun 2012, 15:14 pm
@Gumboots(Gumboots)-62:
If only their trophy cabinet displayed their brilliance!!!!
19 Jun 2012, 15:17 pm
@Gumboots(Gumboots)-49: Sharks and Bulls groupies floating on some good Meyer sh y te it seems.
They truly can’t see the disasters in waiting in the broader squad.
By the time they come down from their high, all that will remain is SBW’s boot marks on Meisie’s tanned back.
19 Jun 2012, 15:18 pm
Listen I’m not the biggest Olivier fan, but if he was as kak as you lot make him out to be, then Ludeke and Meyer must be the biggest palookas in world rugby. And if the biggest palookas can win multiple SuperRugby titles, then imagine what you lot can achieve. The world is your lung oyster.
Wynand is probably going to have a very good game on Saturday.
19 Jun 2012, 15:21 pm
Even if Wynand plays well I know a couple of Bulls supporters who agree he shouldn’t be there!!
19 Jun 2012, 15:22 pm
@Beertjie(Beertjie)-37: Denial is a sad affliction.
19 Jun 2012, 15:22 pm
@Meerkatte(phil72)-65:
Getting close mate… Three years is also a long time…
19 Jun 2012, 15:24 pm
@Meerkatte(phil72)-65: Very silly argument Wyntjie. I wish I could call on Murray Mexted to provide you with a little crash course.
And I’m still waiting for your dates/times/opponents of Juan de Jongh’s defensive disasters.
19 Jun 2012, 15:24 pm
@Meerkatte(phil72)-65: Are you Wynie Strydom perhaps?
19 Jun 2012, 15:26 pm
@Meerkatte(phil72)-65: Wynie,your cabinet looks rather bare as well.
19 Jun 2012, 15:27 pm
@Meerkatte(phil72)-51: Duane Vermeulen tackles people back and is good at a crashball, so is Ashley Johnson, Josh Strauss etc. And Ashley Johnson isn’t even THAT slow. He’d be a PERFECT 12 for you and his hands are actually better than Olivier’s!
12 needs to be able to pass and have mildly decent footwork…. dumbass.
19 Jun 2012, 15:27 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-67: He isn’t a total washout, but he is as mediocre as they come. Why do we reward such comrades?
When the ANC reward mediocrity folk moan, when Heyneke does it, folk cheer?
19 Jun 2012, 15:28 pm
@TooMuchRugby(TooMuchRugby)-72: YES!!! He is Wynie Meerkatte en minder honde.
19 Jun 2012, 15:28 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-67: wynand is probably going to have a very good game on saturday’. Care to wager a bet? When last did he have a ‘very good game’ in a bok jersey???? In 30odd games?
19 Jun 2012, 15:30 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-76:
I thought you’d enjoy this little blast from the past:
“443.Heavens Game said:
31 Mar 2010, 20:14 pm
@Transformation: 433. You might turn into a Mormon if you spend too much time on RT. Its much like a cult where everyone is outwardly friendly but deep in the organisational structure there is a plot to brainwash everyone into thinking the same thoughts, with no disagreements. They also want to marry eachothers wives, because 1 is not enough.
They seem to take advantage of those vulnerable, softies who can’t defend themselves.
They are easily identified by the friendly overtures of “hiyas” and this deep, non-confrontational hate of the one who calls himself “God”.
But each to their own. There are better forums on the web such as Planetrugby. Go there and be greeted for the first time with “**** off. N00B”, as a standard answer. So Keo, by comparison, is a bit placid.
Anyway each to their own.”
19 Jun 2012, 15:31 pm
No matter how the pinkies and guppies ridicule it,we at least have the conference and vodacom trophies in our cabinet.
19 Jun 2012, 15:31 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-67: WO is okay at S15 level and the Bulls haven’t exactly been swimming in in centers.
With their current stocks I think Ludeke is being quite a palooka not playing Francois Venter ahead of him.
19 Jun 2012, 15:32 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-67: Honest opinion from a honest guy. Well done Kat
19 Jun 2012, 15:33 pm
Weird
HG disappers and the jellyfish spineless Fern vanishes as well
Big bek when HG is here.
19 Jun 2012, 15:34 pm
@stormerforlife1(stormerforlife1)-79: And with our well-rested squad we’ll have the S15 in no time!
19 Jun 2012, 15:36 pm
Meisiekind may not be everyones cup of tee, but the last time JdJ took a gap was in 2010 ! Now he does what Meyer wants for a 12 – take the ball up, but with very limited sucess. Drop your WP bias – De Jongh has been poor the whole season and not much better last year. He has butchered at least one try a game by not passing and taking on his man … and then landing on his bum !
19 Jun 2012, 15:38 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-78: Bhwhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa – this is funnier than Mad Eye calling me a white whale premenstrual c nut.
19 Jun 2012, 15:38 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-82: You sound surprised?
19 Jun 2012, 15:40 pm
The only reason WO is being bashed on keo this week is because Spies is playing decent rugby…
19 Jun 2012, 15:40 pm
@dieter(dieter)-84: With this whole ‘dancing with the stars’ act they’ve got going in the Cape after scoring, maybe he should focus on his side step rather than his two step…….
19 Jun 2012, 15:41 pm
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE(KWAGGA ROBERTSE)-88:
Goeie een!
19 Jun 2012, 15:42 pm
@Meerkatte(phil72)-87: Classic
19 Jun 2012, 15:42 pm
@dieter(dieter)-84: You have a point, but also consider that he’s been part of the stingiest defensive unit for 2 seasons. Not many teams have managed to impose themselves on the stormers this year yet. Surely that implies some sort of physical competency?
19 Jun 2012, 15:42 pm
@Meerkatte(phil72)-87:
This is an Olivier blog Wynie… Don’t lose focus now…
19 Jun 2012, 15:43 pm
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE(KWAGGA ROBERTSE)-88:
19 Jun 2012, 15:47 pm
WO not the worst defender around. He just offers nothing on attack. His playbook consists of 1 move: Dummy then, crash it up.
Sorry two moves. He can do it to the other side as well.
19 Jun 2012, 15:48 pm
The boks don’t need a game-breaking fancy-pants centre to win on Saturday. What they need is to work on:
- set piece, especially scrum, but also kickoff reception and lineouts
- defensive organization
- tackle-point technique and tackle dominance
- breakdown technique, especially quick ball and turnovers (for/against)
- place kicking (I would demand 100% from him: He gets replaced the first time he misses)
- scramble defence
- situational awareness (otherwise known as: how the hell did they score from that quick tap penalty?)
- game management, especially bench introductions. We should target dominance in the last ten minutes.
A pressure game built on territorial advantage and periods of marauding forward play will win the next game, especially if we don’t leave place-kicking points on the table.
Having said that I would love to see BH at 11, JdV at 12, JPP at 13, BB at 14, and GA at 15. If the forwards could stil be in the game at 60 minutes that back division would mince this england team.
19 Jun 2012, 15:49 pm
@pompies2(pompies2)-91: I would rather put that down to a defensive structure as a whole. JDJ only does the bare minimum.
19 Jun 2012, 15:49 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-90: you are going,you come ,then you are going again, then you come again.what’s up hg?wp got you so rattled that you can’t stay away?you sound like the guy who always wants to get the last word in because deep down in his twisted mind he actually believes he will be the winner of the debate if he gets the last word in.
19 Jun 2012, 15:53 pm
@Kietzphat(Kietzphat)-94: You might see it as one dimensional, others might see it as game plan………Do you listen to the coach or to the crowd?
Anyways have a good one. Time to get going.
Adios
19 Jun 2012, 15:53 pm
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE(KWAGGA ROBERTSE)-96: That’s rather contrived. The system is partly based on belief that the everyone in the system has a certain level of competency. If there isn’t that belief, confidence in the system will dissipate and you’ll end up in confusion. JdJ plays a role in the system as much as the most physical forward in the team does.
19 Jun 2012, 15:53 pm
@logie_Jumpbuck(logie_Jumpbuck)-64: ****! ****!
19 Jun 2012, 15:54 pm
@stormerforlife1(stormerforlife1)-97: He is k uk scared WP til I die will come up with a few more ‘blasts from the past’ that might make him look even sillier than what he currently does. (He needs to stick around to moderate all new posts)
19 Jun 2012, 15:54 pm
@TooMuchRugby(TooMuchRugby)-100: Why does the word h.o.o.r. get starred out?
Hear! Hear!
19 Jun 2012, 15:55 pm
@pompies2(pompies2)-99: True Pompies but I believe the argument was about the physicality in the contact area and there I also believe JDJ does not offer alot.
Cheers
19 Jun 2012, 15:57 pm
Fark its going to be more than a little embarrassing for the Keo rugby geniuses here if Wynand Olivier even half performs well on Saturday.
I have never thought Olivier has fitted in well where he is considered the junior member of a centre partnership… He likes to be numero uno.
Considering that Jean is as inexperienced at 13 for the Boks as Olivier is at playing 12, that should give parity and as a consequence I have a sneaking suspicion that Meisie may actually hand out a big STFU to a lot of bitter and envious StormerPom inclined Mock Bok “supporters”….
Heres to a good performance, Meisie… Show that middle finger by playing the game of your life.
Bokbefok
19 Jun 2012, 15:59 pm
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE(KWAGGA ROBERTSE)-103: The problem is “physicality at the contact point” doesn’t mean much if can’t turn it into an advantage ala SBW, who keeps two guys busy and still manages to put someone into space.
Or were you referring to defence?
19 Jun 2012, 15:59 pm
Luke Watson will pray for Meisiekind. All will be well.
19 Jun 2012, 16:01 pm
@KeurboomPark(KeurboomPark)-106: A Luciferan Prayer… or Lukeferan more like…?
Voodoo Puke…
19 Jun 2012, 16:03 pm
One more little blue eyed knee bending blonde bimbo for the Heyneke Meyer parade.. soon they be goosestepping soon after they do the Hail Caesar (or is it Hail Mary) cross my heart and hope to die for the glory of heaven sent righteousness brigade.
When will these rugger buggers just play goddamn rugby and get done with the pantomime.
19 Jun 2012, 16:03 pm
@Meerkatte(phil72)-87: no,we are sharpening our knives for when his thread comes around
19 Jun 2012, 16:06 pm
@TooMuchRugby(TooMuchRugby)-102: Because the sheltered soutpiele who write the language policy of the site, in all their wisdom, think you’re trying to call someone’s momma a prozzie.
19 Jun 2012, 16:07 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-101: Scared… of what?
I must admit, I am enjoying the blast from the past tributes…
HG Classica…
There are a few others that you might enjoy…
Like the Davey Crockett one… or wanna know where the Sparta stuff actually comes from… yup… Yours truly… Dig that up.
Gladiator has been a theme too, as was Scipio, Carthage and SPQR baby…
Keo All Time Classics….
How about digging up some of those… for the most imitated and imaginative Blogging Meme machine out in the Badlands of Keo…
Yours truly…
(Elegant Bow forthcoming)
19 Jun 2012, 16:09 pm
War Wyno!!
I think that he’s also enjoying lack of depth in sa for that position. JdJ didn’t make that further step we were expecting in the last two seasons.
19 Jun 2012, 16:09 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-101:
451.Heavens Game said:
31 Mar 2010, 20:25 pm
@Heavens Game: 445. Yeah I forgot the “bro”. It is also an identifier, along with the “hiyas”.
455.Heavens Game said:
31 Mar 2010, 20:35 pm
@Transformation: 447. You forgot “bro”. ^5 ?(is that the RT version of the Mormon handshake)
459.sharks_lover said:
31 Mar 2010, 20:47 pm
@Heavens Game: blah blah blah , show you pathetic side i see??
460.sharks_lover said:
31 Mar 2010, 20:48 pm
pathetic little loosers , grow up idiots
461.Heavens Game said:
31 Mar 2010, 20:49 pm
@sharks_lover: yes “bro”, “hiyas”.
462.sharks_lover said:
31 Mar 2010, 20:49 pm
HG you say just rugby is pathetic??? shall we say pot calling the kettle black??
get out from behind that glass door
463.Heavens Game said:
31 Mar 2010, 20:50 pm
@sharks_lover: Sorry, nearly forgot the mormon handshake – ^5
464.sharks_lover said:
31 Mar 2010, 20:50 pm
actually shouldnt be answering to idiots
465.sharks_lover said:
31 Mar 2010, 20:51 pm
HG grow up ignorant twat
466.sharks_lover said:
31 Mar 2010, 20:51 pm
actually twats are usefull
19 Jun 2012, 16:10 pm
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-108: Hang in there, Skoppie. The time of the black vegan orthodox Jewish Springbok will surely come. And when it does, I’ll buy you a drink.
19 Jun 2012, 16:12 pm
Now he suddenly enjoys it !!!Give you credit for one thing…if you can’t beat them(wp) ,join them.
19 Jun 2012, 16:14 pm
Question to the Breezer bloggers on here;
Why, with all the front-foot ball/ pack dominance/ gainline efficiency, are the Stormers consistently struggling to cross the white-wash?
Here’s possible answers.
1. Fleck is a poor B/line coach.
2. The inside channel with Duvenhage, Grant & De Villiers is pedestrian.
3. They’re missing a trick by deploying De Villiers @ 12, & De Jongh @ 13.
19 Jun 2012, 16:16 pm
this is one hilarious thread, the perfect antidote after the boring meetings i’ve had today
19 Jun 2012, 16:16 pm
@Pot Blou Gevaar(Pot Blou Gevaar)-116:
(3), in my opinion.
Juan de Jongh would be much better at inside centre.
I’m also not convinced about Fleckie as backline coach.
19 Jun 2012, 16:18 pm
My list of not so great bok centre’s, in no particular order
Jaco Pretorius
De Wet Barry
Wynand Olivier
Jorrie Muller
Trevor Halstead
Heinrich Fuls
Danie v Skhalkwyk
And Percy when he played at 13
19 Jun 2012, 16:18 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-113: Lovely stuff.Please just spare us Hg’s fornication with ET….that’s still very recent stuff and very cringeworthy to read again.
19 Jun 2012, 16:19 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-113: Excellent… I actually reckon SL gave as good as he got…. Makes some of the StormerPoms I regularly embarrass nowadays look really farken more idiotic than is normal….
Brokeback Cowboys
Riding out on a dy.ke in a StormerPom rodeo
Like Brokeback cowboys
Giving blogs and posts about rugger which they hardly know
….
19 Jun 2012, 16:23 pm
@stormerforlife1(stormerforlife1)-120:
I could always repeat some of the Lionel Richie (Heavens Game) and Diana Ross (ET) “My Endless Love” that went on here, but I think I’ve done enough for one day.
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-121:
You had sharks_lover really upset that night, accusing him of trying to “recruit” people to RT, calling him a “Mormon on Voldy”, hiyas bro ^5 and all that.
19 Jun 2012, 16:25 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-67:
19 Jun 2012, 16:26 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-122: Thanks for the memories WP.
19 Jun 2012, 16:33 pm
That’s got rid of Mad Eye.
OK who’s next.
19 Jun 2012, 16:36 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-118:
Thanks dude.
I think the Bulls inside channel gets knocked a lot with biased opinion. In Timotei’s case especially – the guy’s solid, without being spectecular.
That being said, I think most Keolites? would probably agree with this pecking order come the Rugby Championship;
12. F Steyn / De Jongh, with Whitehead in the wings
13. De Villiers / ?, with R Ebersohn in the wings.
As a Bulls man, I’m also not sold with Timo in the Green&Gold, and have not seen enough to justify JJ’s inclusion.
At the Bulls, I prefer 12. F Venter, 13. Sadie – looking at the future.
19 Jun 2012, 16:40 pm
@Pot Blou Gevaar(Pot Blou Gevaar)-126:
Say what you like about Wynand Olivier, he has three Super 14s in addition to a Rugby World Cup winner’s medal.
Not many players in world rugby can claim that.
19 Jun 2012, 16:40 pm
Perfect time to put R100 on an Olivier hat trick it will be awesome odds. Of course you get the feeling that even if he does manage it nobody will back him. Beware the player with something to prove. Personally I wish him all the best on saturday
19 Jun 2012, 16:44 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-122: All water under a bridge…
Refugee All Sharks Unite…
19 Jun 2012, 16:48 pm
Stooooooooooooormers!!!!!!
19 Jun 2012, 17:04 pm
Hi guys, I don’t comment much on this site but read every article and often many of the comments.
The sad thing for me in this is that we discussing whether a player of close to 40 test caps is good enough to play at this level.
How does a player of Olivier’s quality get 40 caps. Its nothing personal, he is just not a great player at test level, and has never consistently;y shone at super rugby level. I can’t but help to feel that its a farce. Having said that, for the Boks sake I hope he grabs this opportunity on Saturday with both hands
19 Jun 2012, 17:08 pm
heinrich Fulse was actually a damn good center when he played for EP, however, Macintosch decided to turn him into a crashball donkey in a green jumper!
19 Jun 2012, 17:09 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-121: hehehe you must feel like such a tool, who is “fibbing” now?
the archives don’t lie tl tl tl
19 Jun 2012, 17:11 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-133: The fibbing… Where? Come explain, Rossi’s pet umfana
19 Jun 2012, 17:14 pm
@Tony(Tony)-131: spot on Tony, well said.
19 Jun 2012, 17:14 pm
@Tony(Tony)-131: what’s up Tony.
look, every Springbok coach has favourites so let’s allow heyneke to have his, as long as we beat the Poms…
19 Jun 2012, 17:16 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-134: Exposed LIAR
bwaaaaahlaaaaaa
enough said…
gym calls
hehehe
19 Jun 2012, 17:19 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-134: next time hou jou ****** bek and think before spewing garbage
19 Jun 2012, 17:21 pm
WP did a great job today exposing Hg,once again,for he fool we all know he really is,but to see it confirmed in print straight from the mal donners fingertips makes it just so more schweeeeet.
19 Jun 2012, 17:22 pm
HG reckons he embarrasses Stormer folk! Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Hehehehehehehehehehehehehe! Looks like you got some good backyard sheet in your pooper mate! If only everybody had the high opinion you have of yourself little weener!
19 Jun 2012, 17:22 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-137: Thats not explaining… thats just stating… Hehehe
Looks like I got the whole bang shoot of you LukeLovers, Keo Multi-Profilers and StormerPom Bok haters in a real twist…
Just me and the Refugee All Sharks…
19 Jun 2012, 17:23 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-134: “Eish Transie, your fibbing is continually allowing you to live up to your stereotype… Add in a bit of stealing and then you are complete…. ‘
stereotype se gat
exposed!
19 Jun 2012, 17:24 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-138: Ag, go get that collar on for Dom Rossi…. 6 lashes for you boy
19 Jun 2012, 17:24 pm
What happened to Mad Eye?
19 Jun 2012, 17:25 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-141: cheers Mormon_Lover
19 Jun 2012, 17:26 pm
Olivier to have a blinder this week cementing his place in the starting 15 and in the same instance solving our fullback problem…..best possible solution?
19 Jun 2012, 17:26 pm
@stormerforlife1(stormerforlife1)-139: @Transformation(Transformation)-142: Enough of a platform for teenage w.inkies… You little bespotted hormonal midgets got enough faux glory on this legend’s coattails now…
Poof… Begone
19 Jun 2012, 17:28 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-147: This post not meant for Transie – meant for Capo and the other midget… forget its name… Pee Wee or summink
19 Jun 2012, 17:29 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-142: Thats you you poor pitiful fool… Not me
Sheezus, I really got you upset today, hey…. hehehe
19 Jun 2012, 17:30 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-148: wp really got your mind in a spin today old hg?
19 Jun 2012, 17:30 pm
Isn’t it ironic that HG is suddenly all over the forum since the S15 break. Are we to assume the plonker will make his customary disappearing act once it restarts? The life of a Sharks supporter! Lol!
19 Jun 2012, 17:31 pm
salakahle sfebe… ngizobuye later
19 Jun 2012, 17:40 pm
@Pee Wee(Pee Wee)-151: we just never know with that mal donner.that is now one blogger that makes his name toss on this forum basically on a daily basis.i wonder whether he still believes the sharks will surge ahead of the stormers when their bye weekend comes around.they might if sanzar changed the rules during the international series and the bye is now worth 20 points.
19 Jun 2012, 17:41 pm
Sharkies have won a few CC and been close in super rugby… AS for the stompies, been useless for 15 years…..
19 Jun 2012, 17:48 pm
154 @ Meerkatte
Winning the CC in 1997, 2000 and 2001 I guess doesn’t count in whatever you perceive as the last 15 years?
19 Jun 2012, 17:50 pm
@Pee Wee(Pee Wee)-155:
Apologies… last decade…. hope you feel better about yourself?
19 Jun 2012, 17:51 pm
@Pee Wee(Pee Wee)-155:
my deepest sympathy!
19 Jun 2012, 17:53 pm
156 @ Stompies
I wasn’t the one with the epic fail moment lol. Why are you apologising to me stompgat?
19 Jun 2012, 17:55 pm
157 @ Stompies
Mad Cow?
19 Jun 2012, 18:00 pm
@Pee Wee(Pee Wee)-159:
Cant help but to feel bad for your bunch!
19 Jun 2012, 18:01 pm
@Stompies(phil72)-160:
You must be over the moon with your vodacom cup performance though?
19 Jun 2012, 18:25 pm
Someone called “Phil” making his bek big here
19 Jun 2012, 18:26 pm
To all the wepee supporters calling Wynand ****: Looking at our teams performances over the past decade lets agree. Bulls – Good… Sharks – Solid…. Stompies –c.r.a.p…
Bulls
Super rugby. 2007, 2009, 2010
ABSA Currie Cup, , 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006 (shared), 2009
Vodacom Cup, 2008, 2010
Sharks
Absa Currie Cup: 2008, 2010.
Stompies
Vodacom cup 2012
19 Jun 2012, 18:26 pm
Watsup Phil
19 Jun 2012, 18:28 pm
Stompie is a cig butt
You smoke a lot?
19 Jun 2012, 18:29 pm
All good, just had enough of all the stompies calling the kettle black
19 Jun 2012, 18:30 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-165:
You also a stompie?
19 Jun 2012, 18:32 pm
Chill Phil
No beef with you. Only some sharks.
19 Jun 2012, 18:32 pm
Some senile folk out tonight!
19 Jun 2012, 18:34 pm
Moenie aangaan nie pee wee
We only fight with some sharks
19 Jun 2012, 18:39 pm
@Stompie till I die!!!!(phil72)-167: dont believe it Phil, they will soon accuse you of all kinds of ****, and act all innocent, the self same Dawn is one of the main stirrers, then expects to be respected as a lady
19 Jun 2012, 18:40 pm
@Stompie till I die!!!!(phil72)-163: Is that you Wynie Meerkatte? Has Heyneke changed his gameplan (or his mind) hence you changing your nic?
19 Jun 2012, 18:41 pm
Oh SL give it a rest already man!
Its getting really old really fast now!
FFS!
19 Jun 2012, 18:42 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-172:
Meerkatte old news… All about the up and coming stompies now…
19 Jun 2012, 18:44 pm
No-one is hassling him!
And another thing I don’t expect special treatment.
So just stop repeating the same old thing over and over again.
19 Jun 2012, 18:51 pm
Olivier has one chance to prove himself and it’s Saturday. Time to earn your bucks china.
19 Jun 2012, 18:51 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-175: Forgive SL – Managing a Meals on Wheels ‘van’ is super stressful.
19 Jun 2012, 18:52 pm
@Stompie till I die!!!!(phil72)-174: Name your poison Wynie….
19 Jun 2012, 18:59 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-178:
Got my tickets, watched the practice session yesterday, happy for Pottie getting a start, just a pity about SA’s standout center over the past 2 years (JDJ) being overlooked…….
19 Jun 2012, 19:00 pm
Same old boring Stormers whining.
19 Jun 2012, 19:03 pm
Hell, even Bosman would be a better bet than Olivier
Boks 14 to beat Pommie 15
19 Jun 2012, 19:04 pm
Looks like typical Bulls and certain SharkieVarkie arrogance shinning through.
Boks will win despite that ’cause of humble Meyer who got his first big time break at the Cape
19 Jun 2012, 19:04 pm
@RiotBananas(Dawnpre)-180:
How can anybody play meisie over De Jong?
19 Jun 2012, 19:06 pm
But…. can anybody tell me why it is when they loose meisie is pathetic and when they win meisie had nothing to do with it?
19 Jun 2012, 19:07 pm
@Stompie till I die!!!!(phil72)-183:
Meyer can. He knows better than all of us.
19 Jun 2012, 19:09 pm
@Stompie till I die!!!!(phil72)-179: Reverse psychology is for Sharks groupies Wynie. (They fall for it without fail – as you can see from their blind support for the “No place for small guys in test rugby” campaign.)
I don’t think anyone has said that Juan has been the standout center in SA – as none of our centers have been ‘incredible’ bar Jaque Fourie last year. What most are saying, is that he is certainly better than 39th time lucky Olivier.
19 Jun 2012, 19:10 pm
Wepee has had, De Jong, J Fourie, De villiers, Habana, Aplon, Peterson Grant for a few seasons now and all the supporters are punting them as best in the country…… But….. we cannot even win a currie cup, not to mention super rugby….. something wrong here!
19 Jun 2012, 19:12 pm
@Stompie till I die!!!!(phil72)-187:
Maybee we shoul not blame the backs…. Lets rather put the blame on Burger, vermeulen, bekker, and the rest of the forwards……..
19 Jun 2012, 19:13 pm
Big is better. As the Kiwis.
19 Jun 2012, 19:13 pm
imagine if wynand had a bit more melanin…whoooo the quota calls
36 Tests to prove you can make the step up to Test rugby?!!!
Nowhere in the world but SA would this be possible!
19 Jun 2012, 19:13 pm
Or maybe………… all of them just overrated?
19 Jun 2012, 19:19 pm
And for the bulls.. they have been struggling along with stegman, Spies, Steyn, Olivier, Kirchner, Ndugani, chillieboy etc (all useless), but still been producing the goods…. go figure?
19 Jun 2012, 19:20 pm
@Stompie till I die!!!!(phil72)-192:
did not mention werner and flip……(also useless)
19 Jun 2012, 19:29 pm
@Stompie till I die!!!!(phil72)-193:
Fourie Du Preez must of been an absolute magician!!!!
19 Jun 2012, 19:30 pm
Interesting theory
19 Jun 2012, 19:31 pm
Just trying to make sense of way of thinking there by the mountain?
19 Jun 2012, 19:32 pm
emboerit.
19 Jun 2012, 19:32 pm
@Stompie till I die!!!!(phil72)-184:
> But…. can anybody tell me why it is when they loose meisie is pathetic
Loose meisies are always good as long as you score
19 Jun 2012, 19:36 pm
@victoriabok(victoriabok)-198:
Makes more sense than anything else written today….
19 Jun 2012, 19:43 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-190: Well, at least hes a starter in the superugby. i remember Chillyboy being the backup of Derik Kuun!!!!!! and still making the Bokke. Do you remember? sure you had no issues
19 Jun 2012, 19:48 pm
@victoriabok(victoriabok)-198:
But meisiekind has only scored once in 36 tests. He won’t be happy. I sure as hell wouldn’t.
19 Jun 2012, 19:52 pm
@I am a Bok(I am a stormer)-201:
Bambie has never scored, but yet she is good enough?
19 Jun 2012, 19:55 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-177: SL making an appearance as Stompie now.That ‘go figure’ a dead giveaway.
Probably not too chuff to appear as SL due to WP exposing him as well as Hg as complete nutters.
19 Jun 2012, 19:57 pm
@Stompie till I die!!!!(phil72)-202: I can see Bambie being another Brent Russel- too small to really make an impact in a Bok jersey-given how we play- and always shifted around. Sadly, he doesn’t have Brent’s speed and try-scoring ability. If he can’t cut it 2 years from now and really start banging on the door- he should ply his trade overseas…
19 Jun 2012, 19:57 pm
@stormerforlife1(stormerforlife1)-203:
You are so far of the plot… but if you believe yourself? happy for you…..
19 Jun 2012, 19:59 pm
@Stompie till I die!!!!(phil72)-205: hmmmmmm
19 Jun 2012, 20:02 pm
@Stompie till I die!!!!(phil72)-205: boeet ignore the worm, its as thick as a plank
19 Jun 2012, 20:02 pm
@bangkok-bok(bangkok-bok)-204:
And Lambie more than a decent fly-half….but we have Morne and Goosen… not a very good fullback. He is probably better of moving along….. or sitting on the bench for the remainder of his career ?
19 Jun 2012, 20:03 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-207:
Does seem that way
19 Jun 2012, 20:03 pm
@Stompie till I die!!!!(phil72)-205: a few Sharks supporters and these stormpoppiegayplanks go into stress mode, they sitting here with all kinds of theories
19 Jun 2012, 20:04 pm
@Stompie till I die!!!!(phil72)-208:
Great pity though, really rate him as a fly-half!!!
19 Jun 2012, 20:06 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-210:
According to there blogging, they been dominating rugby for the past ten years?
19 Jun 2012, 20:06 pm
@Stompie till I die!!!!(phil72)-211: Phi, Lambie is a far more complete 10 then Steyn, only Goosen is one that will prolly surpass Lambie
19 Jun 2012, 20:07 pm
@Stompie till I die!!!!(phil72)-212: LOL only place they dominate is broke back mountain and the tight speedo’s in Camps bay
19 Jun 2012, 20:09 pm
Gavin Rich – SuperSport
Port Elizabeth – You could say that he has had more comebacks than George Foreman, but Wynand Olivier doesn’t give the impression he is too bothered by the intense pressure he must be under as he prepares to make his first start for the Springboks since last year’s away leg of the Tri-Nations.
According to SuperSport.com, the Bulls inside centre is set to wear the No 12 against England at Nelson Mandela Stadium on Saturday as a replacement for Frans Steyn, who has been given the weekend off to get married. Although he played the entire second half in Johannesburg last week and had a cameo role in the first Test in Durban, this will be Olivier’s big opportunity, and some might say last chance, to shatter the perception that he is not up to international standard.
“The team has not been announced yet, but if I do get to start I will see it as a big opportunity that I will definitely try to use to prove that I can play international rugby. It’s not so much about proving anything to anyone else, but to myself. I want to prove to myself that I can play international rugby,” said Olivier
19 Jun 2012, 20:09 pm
hiyas 5
19 Jun 2012, 20:09 pm
Now Looking at our under 20 Boks?? theres some real talent comming through there, like the centers etc
19 Jun 2012, 20:12 pm
Mormon Tyrone.Did you enjoy WP TILL I DIE’S running commentary on you and Hg’s relationship since 2010.
19 Jun 2012, 20:12 pm
@Stompie till I die!!!!(phil72)-202: I’m not on the Lambie train either dude. He is talented yes, and will mature as a player most certainly – but for all the hype and bowing down at the alter of his alleged greatness by some, I am yet to be convinced that he is ‘the special one’.
I mean the poor kid isn’t even a specialist in a position – yet some claim he is the best 10, 12 and 15 in the country – so here I can agree with you.
19 Jun 2012, 20:13 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-217:
When you realize that the 2 players of the tournament are both bulls you will probably soon change you opinion…..
19 Jun 2012, 20:13 pm
@stormerforlife1(stormerforlife1)-218: ^5 Bruvva.
19 Jun 2012, 20:14 pm
@Stompie till I die!!!!(phil72)-220:
But maybe little things like that would not bother you?
19 Jun 2012, 20:14 pm
Lambie is just fine where he is. There was a time Morne Steyn was used by the Bulls as a utility back, and could not even crack a place in the starting lineup. There is still lots of water to go under the bridge for Lambie.
As for Olivier’s inclusion at 12 – that is a disaster. Where is Juan de Jongh ? Is he injured ?
19 Jun 2012, 20:14 pm
One blogger having a conversation with himself???
19 Jun 2012, 20:16 pm
@stormerforlife1(stormerforlife1)-203: Stompie til I die is ‘Meerkatte’. He changed his nic because Heyneke changed his gameplan. (The 2 are inextricably linked)
19 Jun 2012, 20:16 pm
@Dusky(Dusky)-223: Lambie needs an extended run at 10 for the Sharks- maybe 2-3 years and we will see…
19 Jun 2012, 20:16 pm
In PE at the moment, forecast looks wet and cold, we need all the big boys! and no!!!!!! not talking about the skeef capies….
19 Jun 2012, 20:17 pm
@Dusky(Dusky)-223: No,Meyer don’t rate him.Says he doesn’t believe small players should play test rugby.
19 Jun 2012, 20:17 pm
@bangkok-bok(bangkok-bok)-204: Go check Lambie’s stats before you make the stupid mistake of calling him small. He weighs more than quite a few guys in the current Springbok squad including Morne Steyn.
But for the two or three kgs he gives away to guys like Wynand Olivier, he makes up for by the fact that he is not scared to tackle. So get your facts straight. I think you’ve been eating too much roadkill green curry.
19 Jun 2012, 20:18 pm
@stormerforlife1(stormerforlife1)-228: Well then he must drop Morne Steyn too – who is a kg lighter than Lambie. And also Joe Pietersen and Gio Aplon, both of whom are quite a bit lighter than Lambie.
19 Jun 2012, 20:19 pm
@bangkok-bok(bangkok-bok)-226: Yes – well that is exactly it. There was a time when nobody would have put a one cent bet on Morne Steyn ever being the Nr 1 Springbok flyhalf.
19 Jun 2012, 20:20 pm
@Dusky(Dusky)-229:
And what has bambie achieved in his test career? apart form missing a few easy conversions and not scoring any tries?
19 Jun 2012, 20:20 pm
@stormerforlife1(stormerforlife1)-228: Oh sorry – he didn’t select Aplon…..probably because he really is a little….
19 Jun 2012, 20:20 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-225: OK,all my apologies to the Mormon then.
19 Jun 2012, 20:22 pm
@Stompie till I die!!!!(phil72)-232: Nothing yet and I would be the first to admit that. He also didn’t play well on the weekend. That would be for me – a better reason for his non-inclusion. Not the fact that he is ‘small’ – because that is a piece of perception inspired nonsense you just sucked from your thumb.
Lambie is still a kid. A lot can still happen in his career.
19 Jun 2012, 20:24 pm
@Stompie till I die!!!!(phil72)-220: which tournament??
nope never gonna change my opinion, and i said lots of talent comming through, never said they were all sharks
19 Jun 2012, 20:24 pm
@Dusky(Dusky)-235:
So then… he could possibly be as useless as meisiekind?
19 Jun 2012, 20:25 pm
@Dusky(Dusky)-233: Well,that’s what he said when he started out,so i guess he was a bit forced to select Aplon at the end of the day.I think someone higher up probably had a word with him about that statement.After the first test Stransky mentioned it to him that he like his players big and strong but he dodged the question.
19 Jun 2012, 20:25 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-236:
Good for you!! just checking…
19 Jun 2012, 20:27 pm
@Stompie till I die!!!!(phil72)-237: Yes – he could. But if I am not mistaken, Meisiekind hasn’t scored 25 points in a Currie Cup final against WP, nor has meisiekind captained his first rugby and cricket teams at school, nor can meisiekind kick for goal to save his life, and if I am not mistaken – I think meisiekind has been given a few more opportunities in a green and gold jersey and is a few years older.
Give Lambie a chance – he still has a few things to show I think. I cant help think your dislike of him is based purely on provincial motivators – which is childish.
19 Jun 2012, 20:27 pm
@Dusky(Dusky)-230: I want Lambie at ten,but the Bulls mob will lynch me if they get their hands on me.
19 Jun 2012, 20:29 pm
Hiyas bruvvas
19 Jun 2012, 20:29 pm
@stormerforlife1(stormerforlife1)-238: It would be a very stupid philosophy for a coach that has won Super rugby titles. So – I have to believe you since I did not see the interview, but I would find it very fascinating and slightly strange if Meyer was that short sighted.
19 Jun 2012, 20:30 pm
@stormerforlife1(stormerforlife1)-241: I dont think Lambie is a better 10 than Morne Steyn – yet….but its good to know we have something in reserve.
I would still first pick Morne at 10. He needs to get his head right with his kicking issues though.
19 Jun 2012, 20:31 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-242: Mormon ^5. Hiyas Dawn.
19 Jun 2012, 20:32 pm
@Dusky(Dusky)-240:
But……….. he has a British lions medal, a currie cup medal. a tri-nations medal, a world cup medal, a super rugby medal and and English tour medal…. Now try and compare apples with apples ?
19 Jun 2012, 20:32 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-242: Hey Dawn – you been dopping again ?
19 Jun 2012, 20:32 pm
Meyer is boxing very clever here in his selection of Aplon and Pietersen.After this Saturday his next outing will be in Cape Town.I guess it would be a crying shame if the Bok coach gets taken apart by the Newlands faithful now.
19 Jun 2012, 20:33 pm
@Stompie till I die!!!!(phil72)-246:
And lambie scored 25 point in a local match… really………….. Bambie for president!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
19 Jun 2012, 20:34 pm
fark me, not even one rugby player in the highest paid athletes top 20
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2012/06/18/mayweather-tops-list-of-the-worlds-100-highest-paid-athletes/
this elitist sport still pays peanuts in the biggers scheme of things…
19 Jun 2012, 20:35 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-242: hiyas angie ^5
19 Jun 2012, 20:35 pm
@Stompie till I die!!!!(phil72)-246: Yes – he has been around a while and had the opportunities to be part of those squads. What’s your point ?
Does that make him better than Frans Steyn ? Frans doesnt have a Super rugby medal – he has a silver mug though.
Or, what about Marcelle Coetzee. Does the fact that Bob Skinstad have a World Cup winners medal, make him a better flank right now than Marcelle ?
If you dont like Lambie – that’s fine. But give good reason, and at least allow the guy (at his young age) a few more opportunities to prove you wrong. I mean, other players have been afforded that ? And still play poorly in a Bok jersey – like Wynand Olivier.
19 Jun 2012, 20:36 pm
@Stompie till I die!!!!(phil72)-249: 25 in a Currie Cup final against the ‘favourites’ to take the title.
19 Jun 2012, 20:36 pm
@Stompie till I die!!!!(phil72)-249:
Pity he is our third choice 10… and only slightly ahead of grant and jantjies…..
19 Jun 2012, 20:38 pm
Dopping.
Yes indeed. All day long.
19 Jun 2012, 20:38 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-255: Stay off the balcony.
19 Jun 2012, 20:39 pm
@Dusky(Dusky)-252:
And in local rugby WO has been the best centre (Generally accepted) for the past 5 years
19 Jun 2012, 20:40 pm
@Stompie till I die!!!!(phil72)-257: What ? Ok – if you think so. Moving right along….
19 Jun 2012, 20:40 pm
Hiyas Trans ^5!!!
Brudder!
19 Jun 2012, 20:40 pm
@Stompie till I die!!!!(phil72)-246: I am glad for him ….but that still doesn’t make him a great test player.David Silva,currently earning big bucks at Manchester City and now wanted by Real Madrid,was blamed for Spain’s opening game defeat at the 2010 WC and never played another game at that tournament,but he still got a gold medal at the end of it.So,you see,that medals sob story is nothing but a load of bollocks.
19 Jun 2012, 20:40 pm
@Dusky(Dusky)-252:
So…. what is your point?
19 Jun 2012, 20:43 pm
Now you guys have driven SL,THE MORMON,away with all these hiyas’s.
19 Jun 2012, 20:46 pm
Hiyas bruv!
19 Jun 2012, 20:48 pm
So, Francois Steyn can play for the Sharks in the last two rounds of the Super 15, but cannot play in the playoffs if the Sharks make it ? I remember reading the reason somewhere, but does anyone here know ? I am not asking the under 15s for a cocky answer.
So, is Jebb Sinclair allowed to play in the playoffs ?
19 Jun 2012, 20:48 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-259: how’s it this evening? ltnc
we must do frosties & pizza @ firemans
mwah to you angie
19 Jun 2012, 20:50 pm
Duskee stop being hardegat
Oh and btw Hiyas bru
19 Jun 2012, 20:51 pm
@stormerforlife1(stormerforlife1)-260:
He did not only win 1 medal….. he has won all of them!!!!!!!!!!!! now to put this into perspective…… The the not so clever ones will struggle to get this… the only other player in the squad to achieve this is, Habanna. I know this is a lot take take in, but think about it….
19 Jun 2012, 20:51 pm
@Dusky(Dusky)-264: No player who joins the squad after a certain date (somewhere in April?) may play in the knock-outs.
19 Jun 2012, 20:52 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-266: What you mean ? I genuinely want to know ? There is obviously a cut off time – and I want to know that the rule is being applied fairly across all teams.
19 Jun 2012, 20:52 pm
@Stompie till I die!!!!(phil72)-267: well,he is still uber kuk man!
19 Jun 2012, 20:53 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-268: So, Jebb Sinclair joined 9 May. So he must also sit out ? I am honestly trying to find out what the rule actually is…..
19 Jun 2012, 20:54 pm
@stormerforlife1(stormerforlife1)-270: Where is Juan de Jongh ? Is he injured ? I haven’t followed Super rugby that closely this year.
19 Jun 2012, 20:55 pm
@Dusky(Dusky)-271: Yep, he can’t play then either.
19 Jun 2012, 20:56 pm
Trans bruvver when next you down here mos def bru
19 Jun 2012, 20:56 pm
@stormerforlife1(stormerforlife1)-262: @Dawn(Dawn)-263: I wonder if Jim Jones the Sharks Lover will wangle us an invite to the Cape ‘Sharks Supporters Club house’? It would truly be special. All the Hummers outside, all the toppies with their poppies inside. More gold medallions than at the upcoming Olympics my bruvvas. Mr Price board shorts, pony tails and Savannahs to spare.
If he won’t invite us, we could possibly work out the secret Sharks password to get in? I reckon it’s something like: “The Boy wonder Bambie rides at midnight” or considering the membership, something like: “Hiyas Bruvvas – Sharks forever”.
It would be like gaining access to the Famous Five’s clubhouse.
Hell, maybe SL would give us a free boerie roll, as he is probably the catering head honcho.
19 Jun 2012, 20:56 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-273: But I hear Francois can play in the last two log phase games.
19 Jun 2012, 20:56 pm
So tell me, when JdV returns to Super Rugby, will AC have him play 12 or 13?
I think they should keep him at 13 for the greater good.
Would love to hear your thoughts on this.
19 Jun 2012, 20:57 pm
3 late tries, and suddenly England’s score against the Northern Babaas looks much better than they actually were.
19 Jun 2012, 20:57 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-268: yeah, no player signed after april 1 is eligible.
no repeat of schalk britz for stormers
19 Jun 2012, 20:58 pm
@stormerforlife1(stormerforlife1)-270:
And yes…. yet he has been one of the key players and leaders in by far the most successful franchises in SA rugby… Figures……….. somehow he understand winning. As for the stompies… have no clue, how to win a competition?
19 Jun 2012, 20:58 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-268: I thought it was any player who was not named in the initial squads at the start of the S15 is ineligible?
19 Jun 2012, 20:58 pm
@Dusky(Dusky)-276: Ja, nothing prevents a team from adding players for the log stage, but they must revert to the squad registered by early April for the semis and finals.
19 Jun 2012, 20:58 pm
@Stompie till I die!!!!(phil72)-267: Sorry for my crude response in the previous post.I give him credit for those 3 super medals because he is a damn good super rugby player.Test rugby,now,is a totally different thing. He has been given 36 chances to prove himself at test level and failed each and everyone of them.For him to come out now and say that he wants to prove himself that he can play at test level,after 36 chances,are simply not acceptable to me as a rugby fan of the Boks.At the end of the day that is only my opinion.I don’t select the team ,so,good luck to him on Saturday.
19 Jun 2012, 20:59 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-281: No, the cut off date was 1 April.
19 Jun 2012, 21:00 pm
Go the Ukraine!!!
19 Jun 2012, 21:00 pm
@Dusky(Dusky)-276: yes frans can play the last 2 games but no playoffs!
19 Jun 2012, 21:03 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-279: Thanks.
19 Jun 2012, 21:04 pm
@TooMuchRugby(TooMuchRugby)-277: Agree. The Juan de Jongh at 12, and Bryan Habana at 13 worked damn well, and our backline looked more threatening than it had all season, without sacrificing anything on the defensive side of things. Juan at 12, Jean at 13 will have the same effect. AND: it seems Jean Div has been rejuvenated in the 13 jersey.
Many people felt Jean should have moved into 13 after returning from his injury in the S15 after the Juan/Bryan experiment was pretty successful. Hopefully this is what Coetzee does now.
In fact, Juan at 12 might just open THE Meyer’s eyes, and put an end to the Oliver chronicles.
19 Jun 2012, 21:04 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-285:
Ukraine!
Wekraine!
We all crane
for Ukraine!
19 Jun 2012, 21:05 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-190:
now ain’t that the unadulterated TRUTH?
They can duck and hide and bullshit behind their multiple medal propaganda but that is the bottom line
Just imagine Wynand Olivier was as melanin enriched as Juan de Jongh.. godt fokkenverdompt .. you wouldn’t here the end of the ‘quota’ standard being sung around the braai bedonnered brigade
36 tests later he is STILL trying to prove to himself and his fanfare he is worthy of green and gold at no.12.. I mean is this bokbevok for REAL ??
This little saga got very little to do with cm and kg.. this has a lot to do with certain other ‘traits’ and they ain’t got all that much to do with player ability neither.
19 Jun 2012, 21:05 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-285:
Can i come with?
19 Jun 2012, 21:09 pm
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-290: I have to agree with you. Wynand Olivier is like licking a bar of soap because you like the smell. The first time you do it as a kid, you quickly learn your lesson.
Its like each coach that comes along has to keep going back to the bar of soap for a lick.
Guys – its always going to taste like soap !!!! He sucks – and we have seen his best. I cannot believe that he is suddenly going to become another Jean De Villiers. Get over him already !
19 Jun 2012, 21:11 pm
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-290: Man, you see a racist conspiracy in your morning dump.
19 Jun 2012, 21:13 pm
My biggest observation of the day is…. Mention WO in a blog and all the gitery .hrny bloggers from the cape suddenly get very excited…………..
19 Jun 2012, 21:14 pm
@Stompie till I die!!!!(phil72)-294: Have you finished your homework for tomorrow ? Its a school night isn’t it ? Isn’t it 15 minutes past your bed time ?
19 Jun 2012, 21:14 pm
Stompie it aint on my list of must-do destinations!
19 Jun 2012, 21:15 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-296: Where did Stompie want to go ? To the playground ?
19 Jun 2012, 21:17 pm
Looks like mad eye has found another nic
19 Jun 2012, 21:18 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-288: Let’s hope so, but I’m not sure that AC will conform. It would be like admitting HM knows best. I don’t like HM, but that’s one thing he got right. Maybe AC will be big enough to accept that.
19 Jun 2012, 21:18 pm
@Dusky(Dusky)-295:
cmon… that is nasty leave the school boys alone…….. do you have a wife?……must be a capie……….
19 Jun 2012, 21:20 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-293: Naah,he is only rewarding his former Bulls players to say thank you for the memories.I don’t see him heading to Cape Town in August with all those Bulls in his squad.
19 Jun 2012, 21:21 pm
That is correct……….Prawn……. and dusky you are?
19 Jun 2012, 21:21 pm
No – your mom takes care of me – all depends on whether I can afford the price your dad sets for her for the day. So, I dont need a wife.
19 Jun 2012, 21:22 pm
@Stompie till I die!!!!(phil72)-302: Hell, I’ve bumped your mom so many times – I could be your dad.
19 Jun 2012, 21:22 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-293:
so you gimme your ‘objective’ summation boertjie boer bull
Wynand Olivier is kak.. is kak, was kak, always will be kak… 36 attempts later and he’s STILL kak.. you got a better objective opinion why he is STILL the go to guy at no.12 in green and gold when all else fails.. other than his blonde locks and systematic balletjies blou blou bevokte bedienste … any other ethnic intrinsic attributes and he would have been labelled “quota’ boy supreme by the very pundits that punt him as the best of the rest right here.. how much you wanna bet about it.?
played for Boks 36 times and lost 18 of those – 50% – with one try to show for all his appearances.. Mr. Mediocrity himself.. but he’s the absolute best we got when the sh’t hits the fan.. ain’t he just. Makes Adrian Jacobs look like Sonny Bill Williams.
19 Jun 2012, 21:23 pm
@Markel77(Markel77)-200: but i bet you had huge issues!
zane is a starter @ the bulls, that didn’t stop the quota chorus humming did it?
thought so.
19 Jun 2012, 21:23 pm
@Dusky(Dusky)-304:
Still come to Mthatha often?
19 Jun 2012, 21:24 pm
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-305: We had an excuse from Mallet once I think it was after he was questioned why 11 of his squad came from WP in the year the Stormers finished in the bottom 3 of the Super rugby tournament.
He said its because they have contracts – and you have to make use of what you have before just summarily handing out new contracts.
Only explanation I can think of why the useless Olivier is still in the team.
19 Jun 2012, 21:24 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-296:
Stompie meant Firemans not the Ukraine.
I don’t know anyone who wants to go to the Ukraine. Unless it’s on business.
19 Jun 2012, 21:25 pm
@Stompie till I die!!!!(phil72)-307:
My Gogo really missing you….
19 Jun 2012, 21:25 pm
@Stompie till I die!!!!(phil72)-307: Sure – wherever I need to go to get a piece of that.
19 Jun 2012, 21:28 pm
@Stompie till I die!!!!(phil72)-310: Eish Phil….with the prices your dad charges – I am sure he must live in a mansion with the property prices in Mthatha.
19 Jun 2012, 21:29 pm
@I am a Bok(I am a stormer)-309:
No… awesome place, spent some time there while at world champs in Bulgaria last year…. Should really go and explore the world!
19 Jun 2012, 21:30 pm
Vat hom Dusky
19 Jun 2012, 21:30 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-314:
19 Jun 2012, 21:31 pm
@Dusky(Dusky)-312:
Dont live there….the gogo’s sending all the money to the city…..
19 Jun 2012, 21:32 pm
@TooMuchRugby(TooMuchRugby)-299: bruvva why don’t you like our coach?
19 Jun 2012, 21:32 pm
@Stompie till I die!!!!(phil72)-316:
Better test yourself!
19 Jun 2012, 21:34 pm
Blood in the water
19 Jun 2012, 21:36 pm
A glimpse into the future……
Wynand Olivier plays his final benefit game for the Bulls. The Bulls management decides to honour him, the will rig the lucky draw at the end of the game so WO himself will win it. At the awards ceremony they announce: “And the winner is…our own meisiekind! To claim your prize all you have to do is answer one easy question: How much is 1 + 1?” WO answers: “That’s easy – two!”
After a moments silence, the crowd shouts out as if in own voice: “Gee hom nog ‘n kans! Gee hom nog ‘n kans!”
19 Jun 2012, 21:38 pm
@Dusky(Dusky)-312:
Gogo really complaining… saying the boys from the cape really undercutting her……………
19 Jun 2012, 21:42 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-317:
Man, apart from crappy selections and a crappy game plan, he just gives me the creeps.
Call me a bigot if you want, but that’s just how I feel.
It’s not because of provincialism.
19 Jun 2012, 21:43 pm
And Pierre Spies is going into his 50th test with some sort of form behind him.
What is it with these Bulls that they take so long to develop form playing for the Boks?
Time for Heyneke to start kicking serious arse.
19 Jun 2012, 21:53 pm
all I can say is we pretty lucky its a washed up second rate England side we facing Saturday .. a full blown tough nut international setup and we could have been facing what Jake faced when he met France at home .. and lost.
19 Jun 2012, 21:55 pm
Now… this North South thing ……Why all the clever kids in the north(13 distinctions plus)… why has the North been dominating rugby for the past 50 years… Why all the money in the north???????? Why all the pretty girls in the north????? The girls at the South so ugly most men are skeef…… Any answers???
19 Jun 2012, 21:55 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-306: Not in my book. Zane is a solid starter for the Bulls and deserved a chance to play with Bokke. He is not a quota, not at all. Try again guapo
19 Jun 2012, 21:59 pm
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-324:
We still have to play England away at the end of the year. After the Boks have gone through the Rugby Championship and the knock-out stages of the Currie Cup.
Let us see how they go at Twickers. Remember, Heyneke is determined to win every test. And that’s one test they won’t want to lose.
19 Jun 2012, 22:00 pm
Ya nee, judging from the press conference WO looked like someone who knows Meyer’s unwavering faith in him will be of no salvation should he flop on Saturday night.
Ironic. Juan de Jongh’s foreseeable Bok future depends on Manu Tuilagi’s mood this weekend… If ya kinda think about it.
19 Jun 2012, 22:00 pm
“Wynand Olivier says he will use a start against England to convince everybody including himself that he belongs at the highest level.”
Wynand “One try pony” Olivier has scored less Test tries than Tony Timberd*ck, ffs, in fact – big fat zero against any rugby nation ranked in the top 10. Hell will freeze sooner than convincing anyone, apart from himself, Heineken and a few die-hard blue bloggers.
19 Jun 2012, 22:03 pm
@Nils(Nils)-329:
Inside centre not there to score tries…… his job to create tries for 11,13,14 and 15……. did you not know that?
19 Jun 2012, 22:04 pm
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-324: Ah fck off you miserable old kont, is all I can say. Which is probably a good deal more than you deserve.
19 Jun 2012, 22:04 pm
Must be from the South……….
19 Jun 2012, 22:07 pm
@Stompie till I die!!!!(phil72)-325: you the freak with the North / South skew ball parenthesis
@I am a Bok(I am a stormer)-327: PdV SMACKED England much bigger AWAY at Twickers than HM did here at Kings Park and Ellis Park..
PdV’s AWAY record vs England is 7 tries to 1 in favor of Boks with a huge points difference advantage…
HM will need to go some to do as well at Twickers later this year.. PdV never lost to England once either home or away.. lets see how we progress from here.
19 Jun 2012, 22:10 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-331: fuckoff yourself bb ******* fucknut…
19 Jun 2012, 22:11 pm
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-333:
Lets make this easy on all and just agree that the north are far superior……….
19 Jun 2012, 22:12 pm
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-333:
But to win a game of rugby, all you have to do is be 1 point better than the opposition. That’s all. So far, Heyneke’s doing ok.
19 Jun 2012, 22:12 pm
@Stompie till I die!!!!(phil72)-330: No, I did not. Funny how he use to score while blue bullie, he does not know your wise words, I guess.
19 Jun 2012, 22:12 pm
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-334: Back to your microwave macaroni cheese and crossword puzzle, you sad old ****.
19 Jun 2012, 22:17 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-338:
rennet free thangyaverymuch.
19 Jun 2012, 22:17 pm
@I am a Bok(I am a stormer)-336:
But both his wings has been top of the table in tries scored over past 5 seasons…
Do your homework….
19 Jun 2012, 22:20 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-338: you the little boertjie bloujobkont that needs a good revue to your skeef screwball education.. only you pathetic little cleverdick creep still don’t know it yet .. niet.
@I am a Bok(I am a stormer)-336: Ok is OK…
Heyneke is doing OK.. I can go along OK with that… if that’s all you concerned about is doing OK.
I see some gnashing of teeth down the highway.. I hope Heyneke got balls of steel cause he gonna need them.. and somehow my sixth sense tells me perhaps he don’t.
19 Jun 2012, 22:24 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-339: It’s from seven-11′s frozenrockhard section and was prepared by 180 kids in a warehouse in Laos in 2001. Hard to be exact about the contents.
19 Jun 2012, 22:25 pm
@TooMuchRugby(TooMuchRugby)-322:lol what? “he just gives me the creeps. Call me a bigot if you want,”
care to elaborate on the above,if you wish.
19 Jun 2012, 22:25 pm
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-341: Let’s have that again in modern-day English, old kont.
19 Jun 2012, 22:28 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-342: a typical little snotnosed neanderthal believing he’s evolved… divert the discussion away from the reality.. that’s the way the bloublou vernekers like to pretend its all bloubevok beeyootiful on the horizon.
How little do you peanut brained little pisswilly punk actually know.
19 Jun 2012, 22:29 pm
I see the senile old midget is still going at it hammer and tongs. Man, this guy must be trying to make up for something he lacks in the real world.
19 Jun 2012, 22:30 pm
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-341:
The change I find refreshingly different is that Heyneke wants to win every test the Boks play. And not this “judge me in 4 years time kak” or “judge me at the World Cup”. If you aim to win every test, as it should be, then series victories and trophies will take care of themselves.
I was being facetious when saying the oke is doing ok.
I mean, he only has 2 tests behind him. Played 2, won 2. So far that’s ok.
19 Jun 2012, 22:30 pm
Tell us about Caprivi snottieshyte?
19 Jun 2012, 22:31 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-344: its all WAY above your pisswilly little fucknosed head fucknut… get to grips with it sonny …
19 Jun 2012, 22:33 pm
@I am a Bok(I am a stormer)-347: halelujah! I couldn’t stand that “judge me at the world cup” *****, because if we are really honest, it was simply an excuse for losing any game in between world cups…
I see a lot of people, mostly without fail from the Cape, are complaining about the make up of the Bok team… as long as the team wins and is winning, I see no reason to go all goo goo gaga like a little baby.
19 Jun 2012, 22:33 pm
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-345: Tell me, Loose Scrotum, what’s all this blou business? Are you suggesting I’m sympathetic towards the Bulls cause. Or are you simply having one of your persecution episodes again? Take the pills, fuknut. No one needs to know.
19 Jun 2012, 22:33 pm
@I am a Bok(I am a stormer)-347: didn’t EVERY coach want to win EVERY test he played.. or somebody been missing something…
let him WIN every test.. that’s the acid test.. win them.. then we can debate on forever.
out for a while.
19 Jun 2012, 22:34 pm
Midget Snottieshyte hitting his Nokia keyboard in rage like a real cyber warrior, making up for his deficiencies in the real world….
19 Jun 2012, 22:35 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-344: Nice guys, quite entertaining. Anyhow, just saw Meisiekind wants to proove she belongs on the stage. Hopefully this will be his last game in green and he will spend the rest of his miserable rugby life playing the catalyst to all pink and blue 13 talents….See Sadie…
19 Jun 2012, 22:36 pm
No, Jake White and Snorretjie were full of “sending b teams to the away 3N” and “judge me at the world cup”…. and you know it snottietjie…. as much as it grates your little circumcised p.enis that Heyneke Meyer has changed that loser mentality for the better…
19 Jun 2012, 22:38 pm
Lets be honest, Meisiekind is kaaaaak but every coach had his favourites, Jakey had Wacko Jaco and PDV had Smit.
19 Jun 2012, 22:42 pm
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-352:
Jake White made his mission to win the World Cup. But his overall success ratio wasn’t the greatest. Something in the mid-60′s. And was recalled from an end of year tour. Lset we forget. And Pdiv tried to emulate that with the same nucleus as Jake’s squad. And we know what happened there.
And the less said about Straueli the better. Because he started all the kak in the first place.
19 Jun 2012, 22:44 pm
@Nils(Nils)-329: besides nonu & sbw who have both played wing for the all blacks which other current nz 2nd five eigth is a try scoring machine? luke mcalister, ben stanley, ryan crotty, tim bateman?
19 Jun 2012, 22:44 pm
why was moving JPPietersen to 13 and aplon to wing with labie/joe at 15 never an option?
19 Jun 2012, 22:45 pm
jamie roberts has scored 2 tries in 30 tests for wales, 1 every 15 games…he must be kak.
19 Jun 2012, 22:47 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-360: Now you’re just confusing people with complicated stats
Don’t shatter their dreams.
19 Jun 2012, 22:48 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-360:
fuckadilly is NOT going to like that.
19 Jun 2012, 22:49 pm
@roobarb2(roobarb2)-359:
I don’t think they want to make too many disruptions. HM wants his skipper to settle in at 13, I reckon. The skipper obviously gets preference.
So Aplon to 15. Unless Lambie recovers. Which sounds unlikely.
19 Jun 2012, 22:49 pm
@roobarb2(roobarb2)-359: because Donkey is goddamnshit at 12, only the StormerPoms don’t know that.
At 13 he’s just enough out of the way to not fuckthecat. Keep him there and bring someone more solid at 12… Hence Meisiekind…. Sad to say, but it is true, that WO is better than JdV back at 12 – most are, as Munster found out to great expense.
19 Jun 2012, 22:51 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-360:
But then again, not too many get passed Jamie Roberts either…
19 Jun 2012, 22:52 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-364: If you close your eyes, it’s getting pretty hard to tell your Donkey rant from Gwanties Plod crusade. Careful.
19 Jun 2012, 22:53 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-364:
Donkey is the best 13 right now. By a country mile. And he’s no slouch.
19 Jun 2012, 22:54 pm
that Jan Serfontein must get a few years older Quickly.
19 Jun 2012, 22:56 pm
@roobarb2(roobarb2)-368: That actually sounds a bit dodgy.
19 Jun 2012, 22:59 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-364:
Did you manage to say out of the fights on saturday? It got quite heated on some of the terraces towards the end of the match.
It was one long day. But very lekker.
@roobarb2(roobarb2)-368:
That guy is one for the future.
19 Jun 2012, 22:59 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-369:
i like ‘em young.
19 Jun 2012, 22:59 pm
And the dumbfuck Northern envious StormerPoms can farken blame AC and Fleck for farking up Mannetjies De Jong’s career well and truly and messing up all chance for a Bok place at 12 by playing him at 13 this season, and bench splinter 22 season last, to make way for Donkey.
A pity he has to reap the whirlwind of misfortune for the sake of the Bok’s temporary Captain but thats what has happened… Because of that he will probably lose all possibility of ever playing in the Green and Gold again… Because Frankie is no 1… Daylight no 2…Meisie is no 3…
I actually reckon Mannetjies De Jong, probably my favourite player of 2010 season is 5th or 6th in line… And the “wisdom” of Stormers rugby is to blame… Not Heyneke… Not the Bulls… and sure as helll not Meisiekind….
19 Jun 2012, 23:00 pm
@I am a Bok(I am a stormer)-370: at ellis park?
19 Jun 2012, 23:02 pm
@I am a Bok(I am a stormer)-357: Jake was a technically sound but limited coach you don’t have to try educate me on that score.. PdV was actually a decent coach with honest intentions but out of his depth taking on a team full of seasoned senior internationals who could not be molded into his philosophy.. ultimately he proved to be weak.. though his honest integrity was OK.. again.. OK but no great shakes…
Meyer has high principles and high ambitions and high morals he wants to try uphold.. only I get the impression he might be shooting the moon.. because I dunno if he will have what it takes to stare defeat in the face and get back up again when it happens.
Also I get the impression he might be deluding himself slightly with some of his high moral principles he is trying to foster here.. it smacks to me too much like a boetie boetie byeenkoms of narrow minded synchronised ideals for me to get totally excited about the prospects.. a little like too much of a throw back to the so called ‘ultra traditions of sanctimonious Springbok rugby” all over again.. maybe he shows he’s bigger than that.. but so far I ain’t exactly convinced about it yet.
19 Jun 2012, 23:03 pm
@I am a Bok(I am a stormer)-367: Only the best for now as temp Cappie… There are better options as we will find out in the RC.
@I am a Bok(I am a stormer)-370: Awesome Day out… Some Poms that I was with had a set to with a couple of Gauteng stereotypes in one of the toilets after the game…
Stereotypes came decidedly second best… which was blaady funny afterthefact
But Ellis Park definitely my second best stadium.
19 Jun 2012, 23:05 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-366: Gwantie was talkingshit…
I am talking truth… Just the farken fools in this Keo propaganda bubble dont see it yet…
19 Jun 2012, 23:06 pm
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-374: I strongly suspect he doesn’t give a rabid rat’s flying fcken arse whether you get excited or not about the prospects. Furthermore, I told you to fck off earlier, so go.
19 Jun 2012, 23:07 pm
@I am a Bok(I am a stormer)-365: maxime mermoz has played 15 tests & scored 1 try which was an intercept again the ABs @ RWC ’11 in their round robin game.
19 Jun 2012, 23:07 pm
@roobarb2(roobarb2)-373:
Got very messy. Okes tossing beer cans and hitting guys who required stitches. Punches thrown. Some guy’s wife got bliksemmed as well. It was on John Robbie’s 702 Talk radio. Blame it on the alcohol.
Went to Loftus a couple of weeks ago in the stands and you couldn’t get a dop for love or money.
19 Jun 2012, 23:08 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-376: You and Gwantie are actually cut from the same crimplene.
19 Jun 2012, 23:10 pm
@I am a Bok(I am a stormer)-379:
just another night ot in jozi…..
19 Jun 2012, 23:11 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-372:
the only one to blame for overlooking Mannetjies De Jongh is Heyneke Meyer and his blou bevokte ‘bigger and blonder is better’ philosophy..
stop trying to obscure the actual travesty here… even if De Jongh played at 12 for Stormers he would NOT have made HM’s balletjies blou blou benekte broerdery byeenkoms brigade .. because he is ‘too small’ at 1.77cm and 87 kg for a modern international center.. beside the fact his cultural heritage don’t fit the new look bokkie bybel binary profile … or you didn’t get the memo yet?
19 Jun 2012, 23:11 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-380: Cloth, my son, cloth…
Anytime you want a lesson in copy, language or just plain putting your thoughts down on this loony bin propaganda site come to HG for lessons, yeah?
19 Jun 2012, 23:12 pm
@I am a Bok(I am a stormer)-379: that jhb crowd was probably so confused at the home team winning that madness ensued.
going to PE on Saturday, hope the guys are more chilled down here.
19 Jun 2012, 23:13 pm
@roobarb2(roobarb2)-384: I’d actually be more worried about the PE crowd. Half of them think they’re there for a COSATU rally.
19 Jun 2012, 23:15 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-385: “a try by one is a try by all”
19 Jun 2012, 23:15 pm
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-382: So if Heynecke Meyer is so wrong… what does that make AlisterCunt and NobbyFleck, huh?
That is the root cause travesty here…
Cant play Mannetjies at 12, if he hasnt played there for 2 seasons nearly, and if there’s a Super Rugby winning 12 in stock who actually hasn’t played half bad this season in the ACTUAL 12 position….
Dont be farken stupid man.
19 Jun 2012, 23:16 pm
“no try city press, no try!”
19 Jun 2012, 23:16 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-377:
are you your broertjie boetie Heyneke’s spokesperson boertjie blou blou bumchum..?? you little piece of boetie boetie fucknosed creep need to get smacked exactly where it counts little arsewipe pisswilly prissy little punk.
19 Jun 2012, 23:16 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-381:
Jozi’s not for sissies.
Situation normal, all fuckedup.
19 Jun 2012, 23:16 pm
“uDubule iRooineks”
19 Jun 2012, 23:19 pm
@roobarb2(roobarb2)-391: uh uh… isiNgese dubula mabhunu 6 love phakathi amapisstrough
19 Jun 2012, 23:20 pm
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-389: Hopefully that silly little salvo was your last hurrah.
19 Jun 2012, 23:21 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-387: so 3 wrongs somehow give your new bokkie skaapwagter a nicely shrouded out for obviating the obvious…?
Please if it was AC I reckon Mannetjies de Jong would have been in the Bok frame.. seeing its your blou bevokte blind society leading the fray .. it is middle of the road Olivier to the rescue when the other blonder is better bybel boomer gets blown away.
19 Jun 2012, 23:26 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-392: hehe, i was getting into cosatu mode for PE on saturday, and for my sins i’m going with an aussie.
19 Jun 2012, 23:28 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-393: you all so sweet and f’ng innocent you little piece of benign boetie boetie society hyped up hypocrite… come with your first and last salvo garbage.. who slung the first shitball you pathetic little creep arsed sniveling pisswilly punk eyed prick.
19 Jun 2012, 23:28 pm
katman, did you get a bonus this month that you spent entirely on troll food?
19 Jun 2012, 23:29 pm
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-394: No… AC was the blindtwat in the first place, bringing back Blond Donkey from Munster and then dumping him on field in 2011 after De Jong and Mossie were probably the best Super Rugby centre combo of 2010…
As a consequence De Jong is a forgotten 12… even to the legions of fuckedup Stormerfan fools who reckoned “he is not a 12, but a 13″…. But anything to keep the Blond man’s bluff in the side hey….
Afraid Mannetjies actually might have played his last game for the Boks already as a result of Donkey, AC, Fleckie and the fuckedup ignorance of those stupid “supporters” who reckon he “is a 13″, in that order….
The Blonde obsession is Stormers only – from Donkey to Smoking Joe… Thats the funny thing about your Heyneke 4th Reich implications – Its actually the Stormers that are…. In their current guise
19 Jun 2012, 23:30 pm
There goes another Nokia warranty in its moer.
No wonder their share price is in the *******.
19 Jun 2012, 23:35 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-385: rubbish man, we hosted the all blacks last year with no stonethrowing at DA members…
19 Jun 2012, 23:39 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-398: Forget your fucked up hatred of everything Stormers.. and JdV… this is about the Boks..
De Jongh is the next best prospect to take the inside center channel responsibilities after Frans Steyn (if not perhaps the best).. and Heyneke Meyer is the Bok skaapwagter after all.. the one with all that supposed ultra gifted rugby acumen and insight … so stop diffusing the issue back to AC or anyone else.. HM is blou benekde blind surrounding who should be his stand in man at first center
Beside if you so antipathetic towards JdV WHO in your fucked up estimation SHOULD be leading Boks.. if it was NOT for JdV.. Heyneke might already be 2 losses down by now.. TWAT.!!
JdV leaves that fatfunkarsewipe dunce of yours who could NOT win an international test for toffee apples as captain the past 2 years of his overrated legacy by a thousand light years or more in the shade.
19 Jun 2012, 23:42 pm
this has to be last chance saloon for meisikind…no more free Test to “prove yourself” for the affies boytie!
shape up or ship out…
spies last month said heyneke is “the only coach that knows how to press his buttons” we can’t have that s.hit for all the bulletjie non-performers while other deserving players are sidelined summarily & not handed kanse to prove their aptitude…
the ABs tried isaac ross, sione lauaki, rene ranger & when they werecfound wanting they were shown the gate…heyneke please respect our green jersey meneer!
19 Jun 2012, 23:43 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-399: how come you and this kittykattycunt haven’t tied the knot and climbed up each others poepols in your boetie boetie sense of unanimous unity yet?
19 Jun 2012, 23:45 pm
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-401: Donkey by self admission has shathimself doing the Bok Cappie thing for two weeks against opposition who you reckon are mediocre….
Legend Barney did it for 8 years against all comers with the last 4 under a madman who by his own admission in his book, was over his head.
Donkey not even in the league of polishing Barney’s boots in the Captaincy or Leadership stakes by a long shot… I mean WTF has he won as Captain – 2 tests against YOUR mediocre opposition…
Come Now… You’re as blind as your “esteemed” coaches, AC and Fleck with regards to backline play and players. Not to mention substantial leadership either…
19 Jun 2012, 23:49 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-402: You are so confused… Hopping from one side of the fence to the other… Coconut, Liquorice… Liquorice, Oreole…
Your principles are about as certain as a flick of a coin…
Heads, Tails…
19 Jun 2012, 23:51 pm
Over and out
19 Jun 2012, 23:51 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-404: your fuckup fatfunk legend Barney LOST every last goddamn proper test he captained the past two years.. GO back and COUNT ALL those goddamn gimme LOSSES he led this team to… 11 of them from 13 starts.. ALL the last important tests your Barney f’ng overrated fatfunk dunce LOST..!!
JdV has WON the last 2 tests.. if not for JdV it would have been FdP .. or Who ELSE would you give the esteemed responsibility to?
Because if it were not for JdV they might have LOST it just like that overrated fatfunk Barney fckup pathetic useless dunce did.
20 Jun 2012, 00:06 am
HM selects WO a player he has worked with in the past and had success with. No one who watches rugby is unaware of his limitations as a center but he is a solid option and carries something key…………………experience. HM
‘s only target as self proclaimed is to win test matches so in HM’s gameplan he has decided that WO is best suited to carry out his instructions on the field.
I am amazed about the fact that we have won the first two tests under HM minus a raft of senior players against a well prepared English team and yet the Boks are still slated. It reminds me of how desperate some people were to see PDV fail during the BIL series. HOW PATHETIC!!! It seems as if provincialism trumps everything in SA, wonder why the AB’s have and will continue to dominate us, our collective heads are shoved so far up our own jacks that its not even funny.
The best part is watching the agenda driven media zig left and then right depending on who”s waving the buffalo’s . Really is any of this about the Bok or are we all a bunch of self seeking and serving and glorifying idiots.
**** just can it already and get together behind the Boks or is that impossible. If the Boks are winning are you entitled to say a damn thing, one would think not.
20 Jun 2012, 00:14 am
HM’s statement was that I come to win test matches, no four year plan, no building, no in a wee while……………..I come to win test matches. Until he loses he gets unqualified support from me.
20 Jun 2012, 00:15 am
He could play Bekker at center and bring Jorrie Muller back at tighthead, I couldn’t care less if he wins!!!!!
20 Jun 2012, 00:17 am
After the last two years and our failures in the tri-nations and world cup, I dont care how he gets it done as long as he gets it done!!!!!
20 Jun 2012, 00:37 am
What HM did in this series is nothing new and reminds me very much of Christie. Like Christie HM decided that I need settled combinations and structures I need 22 players who know exactly what I want them to do………………….Now I have four days to prepare a team and win a test and then win a series within two weeks……………….where do I find the spine of the team who know the structures and game plan that I want to play with minimal coaching from me, cause as sure as night follows day I cant teach it to a team in four days………………hmmmmmmm, lemme put on my thinking cap here…………….maybe I could select a bunch of players who are familiar with basic structure and game plan that I want to play considering they have been playing it for…………maybe eight years…………….me only have 4 (FOUR) 2plus2 four days to prepare a test side.
They may not be the best in their collective positions but they know what I want them to do……………..hmmmmm I recall another Bok coach doing this on short notice an being slated and written off and then with “transvaal mafia” in tact won a world cup…………………hmmmmmmm maybe that could work for me to cause he also had like very short notice well………………lemme try that and see if it works………………hows that it worked what a trick…………………..how clever is I !!!!!!
20 Jun 2012, 00:40 am
@Captain Sam Vimes(Captain Sam Vimes)-411:
You got that off your chest yet?
20 Jun 2012, 00:44 am
@whatever(whatever)-413: Sheesh sick of the inmates running the asylum lol but yeah all griped out!
20 Jun 2012, 00:48 am
@Captain Sam Vimes(Captain Sam Vimes)-414:
Good man!
I agree with you re winning and supporting the coach …… give him stick if(when) he screws up but not before.
HM needs to be carefull how he introduces our subs, thats my only crit so far.
As for all this inter provincial hatred on this site, I just don’t get it!
20 Jun 2012, 00:49 am
Clever Trevor .. now stretch the envelope a little bit and stop being so sh’t scared bang broek to go for broke beyond your narrow perspective of safety first options…
If it were NOT for FdP being the chicken he is and baling out of the captaincy yoke that Heyneke wanted to wrap around his neck.. Heyneke might just have gotten exactly what he didn’t want.. a captain so cocooned in his own closed minded philosophy that I reckon under FdP Boks might very well have LOST these 2 last gimme tests to a middle of the road England.
So by DEFAULT.. not by HM’s preferable design did he actually get GIVEN the captain that could lead him to his promised land.. Yeah JdV was NOT Heyneke’s first choice captain.. BUT JdV was most certainly the very best option for the task..
SO in like manner when it comes down to selecting an inside center for the all important task of containing Tuilagi and busting some holes in the tight knit English mid field.. Heyneke SHOULD start thinking OUTSIDE his all too familiar old hat safety first comfortable compromised ‘experienced’ solution… and go for the BEST option and not necessarily the second best familiarly selected safest.
20 Jun 2012, 00:54 am
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-416:
You should go to bed, you are talking k uk as usual!
20 Jun 2012, 00:55 am
all the glorious references to inmates and asylums all over.. what is it with these hyper acute intellectual snob noses that think they have the patent out on sanity… did their intellectual capacity for snobbery get rewarded same time they obtained their honors degree in highfalutin rugby epistemology ?
20 Jun 2012, 00:56 am
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-416: Okay agreed so if you were the BOk coach with and again I say FOUR days to prepare a team for a test against a well rested side who had allready played an entire tournament together and had longer prep time, would you have gone with free flowing basketball rugby and given the ball air and made it expansive. I am not knocking the approach just not my first choice.
I know what I would have gone with………….the same recipe that brought me success in the past. I dont think I would have been brave enough to risk a test defeat in my opening test as coach to try and be innovative but that’s just my opinion.
20 Jun 2012, 00:58 am
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-418: That makes no sense whatsoever I actually dont know what you are saying…………slower and in English please.
20 Jun 2012, 00:58 am
@whatever(whatever)-417: and what are you talking … high handed horse manure articulation?
20 Jun 2012, 01:01 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-376:
hahahahahaha……………….yeah right!
20 Jun 2012, 01:03 am
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-421:
Horse manure better than the human kind bubbling out of your mouth doos!
20 Jun 2012, 01:08 am
@Captain Sam Vimes(Captain Sam Vimes)-419: If he would have gotten his initial wishes which was to play Matfield or FdP as captain.. I reckon he might very well have lost.. I reckon providence been kinda kind to HM first series up because he probably deserves to be successful.. in that the decision was taken out of his hand and the BETTER captain and better leader was chosen out of necessity rather than by design..
SO if he realizes he been given a pretty good start to his tenure by the powers of open minded lateral thinking he can actually progress beyond the scope of the limited one dimensional approach he first set out on.. which was to go completely into safety first mode and select ONLY those who he had familiar background affinity with..
He should rather stretch his thinking beyond any narrow frame of prior experience and consider what presents itself to him in the moment and the occasion.. Just like as happened in selecting the better captain for the task through adapting to circumstance.. so should every position and every strategy be openly considered without resorting to programmatic narrowly conditioned perspectives.
20 Jun 2012, 01:10 am
@whatever(whatever)-415: Yeah I dont get it but I guess its bred in the jeans or something at least I have always been a Bok supporter first and a FreeState supporter second. There are some serious concerns about how HM introduced his substitutes and I agree there and I remember how vitriolic people were in the second test against the Bil when PDV did the exact same thing, although to be fair some of HM’s were injury induced.
Amazing how the previous gripe was that players coached themselves and PDV was a puppet and now apparently JDV coaches the team and that’s cool. The more things change the more they stay the same.
20 Jun 2012, 01:11 am
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-424: okay so if the Boks lose whose fault will it be HM’s or JDV’s?
20 Jun 2012, 01:12 am
@whatever(whatever)-423: another fuckup who thinks he’s smarter than he actually is.. misplaced mystified moron
20 Jun 2012, 01:12 am
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-424:
Leave HM out of the equation for a moment
Please tell us who you would have picked if you had access to the same players (also excluding injured players like Bekker) and less than a week to prepare?
20 Jun 2012, 01:16 am
@Captain Sam Vimes(Captain Sam Vimes)-426: It really is a simple question, whose fault would it be?
20 Jun 2012, 01:17 am
@victoriabok(victoriabok)-428:
This should be good!
20 Jun 2012, 01:18 am
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-427:
Lekker grootbek behind the keyboard ne?
20 Jun 2012, 01:22 am
@Captain Sam Vimes(Captain Sam Vimes)-426: Who’s fault was it that England lost.. Lancaster or Robshaw’s.. they in it together win or lose…?.. and losing is as much a part of life or rugby as winning is.. and I reckon some time if not sooner than perhaps later HM is going to have to handle losing.. at some stage.. unless he is absolutely invincible as a rugby strategist and motivator..
He got given a very good platform to kick off on through the availability of JdV when he needed a clear sighted and lead from the front team man leader .. so now he should run with the momentum and not step back into conservative fear of losing strategics.. JdV will always drive the team with a very positive strong leadership dynamic.. and in this situation Meyer is very fortunate that it wasn’t FdP or Matfield running the show..
But JdV must get given the best support structure in the best available players to compliment that dynamic.. and therein lies the crux where the coach gotta select the best players for each position to optimize the momentum going forward.
20 Jun 2012, 01:26 am
I tend to think that all of the blame would be laid at HM’s doorstep and rightly so. The buck stops with the Bok coach and particularly one who has left himself without a parachute of any kind. I very much doubt that JDV would be held to account on the same standard that HM would be and again rightly so.
I doubt that you would be so quick to acknowledge a JDV loss and lay blame at his doorstep the same way you are lavishing praise on him now. For the record I think JDV is an outstanding player and Captain, very astute and bright.
20 Jun 2012, 01:29 am
@victoriabok(victoriabok)-428: I wouldn’t have picked Olivier for inside center for starters.. I would likely have picked Brussow ahead of Daniel in the 22 and definitely ahead of Kankowski in the squad.. Same for Aplon and JdJ in the squad upfront and not as a belated knee jerk reaction through injuries.. and I would have had Elstadt in the squad to provide the mongrel he now gonna be short on when Alberts is absent.
@whatever(whatever)-431: you the groot bek behind your computer actually .. just like some other groot bek ponces here who reckon they know so much when they actually know so little.
20 Jun 2012, 01:29 am
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-432: I agree with your post. I think that they are in it together and yes I agree that JDV must be given the support he needs, I think that HM is doing this but he cant please everyone and like I said until he loses he gets unqualified support from me same as every Bok coach before him.
20 Jun 2012, 01:42 am
@Captain Sam Vimes(Captain Sam Vimes)-433:
JdV was the very BEST candidate for the position whether HM could recognize it initially or not.. he got handed the captain by providence or by circumstance and not by his own decision… HM is damn lucky that is the case because not only is JdV the best candidate he might actually have been his only possible candidate given the unveiling circumstances…
So he has hit the ground running by a very fortunate set of circumstances and now he got to run with the momentum and not stall the potential .. and that means select the best available players and combinations to bolster the entire team dynamic…
JdV does not lose easily – like John Smit did.. so in this respect HM is actually highly fortunate to have a leader of such caliber running his team on the field of play.. the captain is almost as responsible as the coach for the success of the team as a whole.. think Francoise Pienaar, Martin Johnson, John Eales, and even John Smit in 2007 (but not after 2009), without a winning mentality captain the coach is only half as capable to produce the goods.
If HM didn’t have the availability of JdV currently and had to resort to Spies or Daniel to lead this team I reckon he might have found himself in deep waters initially till he bred a capable captain to follow through.. so by default HM is rather fortunate the decision was taken out of his hand.. but from here on out he will have to build his coaching legacy with the aid of his captain and by his overall clarity of team building vision.
20 Jun 2012, 01:52 am
@Captain Sam Vimes(Captain Sam Vimes)-435:
anyway night..
and btw I don’t wish HM to fail.. but I don’t unconditionally offer him unilateral unconditioned support if he is unable to grasp what is good for the team and country as a whole beyond a narrow perspective of preconditioned overly conservative thinking.. he must succeed or fail by his own decision taking .. and Bok coach job is not one you take if you too afraid to fail… to me a brave failure is as valuable, in fact I would say is more valuable than a cowardly lucky packet success..
Integrity and honor in my view is not gained through winning some tinsel town lucky packet crown after 4 years of poor selection and strategic mediocrity.
20 Jun 2012, 02:50 am
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-437: I hear you look you prefer JDJ and Heinrich, neither of which are in any way bad selections, I’m probably the biggest Brussouw fan out there. Sorry had to leave without answering but old Captain Sams powder ****** is sick and been trying to get drops and stuff in her and get her to sleep.
You are entitled to your opinion Sir and respect you for having one. Sometimes circumstance produces a unique combination, ala Craven and Morne, dont think there could have been dissimilar personalities but it worked.
I am a Bok fan who holds the party line regardless so I wont criticize a coach until he has done something I believe is worth it. I have my own reservations about HM but will keep them to myself for now. I agree that one defeat does not mean you should be castigated but when you lose you must be held accountable the Bok job as Meyer has stated is all about winning, he should feel under immense pressure after a Bok loss, all of his predecessors have been and with the exception of Christie each has had the fall back position of the building, four year plan, learning curve, cycle mantra to fall back on.
HM is the only one recently who has left himself without that parachute and for that I commend him. The Boks should go out and play till they die in every game if that’s what it takes to win. And a Bok loss should not be tolerated by fans or the South African rugby fraternity at large.
anyway goodnight Sir.
20 Jun 2012, 03:00 am
I for one think that HM’s tactics have been spot on in this series and he has played basic and simple rugby, trying to keep errors to a minimum and with such limited prep time I can understand that and would have been the same path I would have chosen. The fact that he has an expanded group that contain some very promising talent leads me to believe that this Bok team is far from the finished product.
I think HM may surprise a few come the championship.
20 Jun 2012, 03:45 am
@Captain Sam Vimes(Captain Sam Vimes)-439:
I agree and if you ask any of the naysayers who have the most to say about all the Bulls and Sharks in the team they either avoid answering or come back with some minor changes. He did great given the time he had and we will only see the real way forward when the S15 finishes.
20 Jun 2012, 05:25 am
@Captain Sam Vimes(Captain Sam Vimes)-439: Agreed.
20 Jun 2012, 05:59 am
Barney, a great player? Bwahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahha! HG you’ve got more k@k coming out of your big bek than your pooper! Whatapw00s!
20 Jun 2012, 07:22 am
HG you runtcunt…the WO debate was being reduced to a narrow ’1 try in 36 games tunnel, the fact is that ‘stat’ is not the reason why WO is still trying to ‘prove
to himself’ that he can play Test rugby, he is & has been mediocre to putrid for the Boks on so many occasions.
Jamie Roberts with his 2 tries in 30 matches is poles apart from Timotei in terms of aptitude for Test rugby!
Get that through your thick skull HG.
20 Jun 2012, 08:14 am
I have no problem with WO, think his defense is solid, when he gets the ball he doesn’t slow down when crashing through, he is also not a gloryboy, he has no problem passing the ball when he is near the tryline and could give it a bash himself.
So I think he is solid and dependable with other qualities like good team player and not an international try scoring machine.
Oh he is also uber hot with a fab bod
20 Jun 2012, 08:21 am
Fuckadilly the only knot that should have been tied is the one in your pappies ballsack.
20 Jun 2012, 09:55 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-443:
I see you are trying to talking logically to our resident DUMBASS. Dont you realize just how dumb he really is? All his posts are quite simply gutter talk with strong homosexual undertones.
He cant help it. He is dumb as mud.
20 Jun 2012, 10:20 am
Making a tackle is one thing.
Dominating the tackle is a different story alltogether, if we can indeed agree on a definition of “dominate”.
Can Olivier dominate the tackle point?
A more useful stat would not be the absolute amount of tackles performed by a player, but rather the meters conceded in the tackle by that player.
There is no such stat at the moment.
20 Jun 2012, 10:42 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-3: Yes clearly it’s all Cardinelli’s fault that WO has only scored once, against minnows in 36 tests, can’t step, forgets he has a backline, and can’t pass (but is a decent defender) and disappears against opposition of substance in a position that requires a certain ‘x-factor’…. but a repeat star performer against top opponents, who doesn’t wear blue or pink, like Heinrich Brussow, isn’t even selected because he ‘gives away too many penalties in Super rugby’….. yea, go ahead ostrich man, kill the messenger!
20 Jun 2012, 11:05 am
cardenelli is a nob
20 Jun 2012, 11:23 am
Maybe Frans Steyn should have asked Wynand Olivier to be his best man…
20 Jun 2012, 11:31 am
Wynand will probably play o.k-ish – he definitely won’t set the world alight with his average play BUT we’ve won the Test series – surely (with the eye on the future) someone like Robert Ebersohn would’ve been a much smarter choice? I think Heyeneke missed a trick here but as always I’ll support whoever wears the Green and Gold 100%.
20 Jun 2012, 11:59 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-67: You are right coaches dont just look at individual talent but rather their support play as a team and their defence statistics.A little deeper than the many shallow comments that we are getting on this thread.
20 Jun 2012, 13:13 pm
@louis schropnel(louis shrapnel)-424: …Well said…!
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