Comments on: Boks must make mental shift

By: UptheGuts(UptheGuts)

UptheGuts(UptheGuts) — Wed, 27 Jun 2012 06:22:08 +0000

So, it’s not just about the mindshift per se, but playing a game that asks more than just the 1 question of the opposition. Can you stop us behind the gainline? If they can, basically our whole game goes to **** from there. Even our kicks looks aimless, bereft of any ideas. Brussow brought something different to our game and was one player the opposition HAD to discuss before the game. Marcel, good player he is, is just more of the same. Everyone knows what the Boks will bring with our gameplan. And at the end of it all, we’re just making their defensive gameplan a lot easier by doing it this way. If we were to keep them guessing every once in a while, every so often they’ll get it wrong giving us a chance to capitalise.

By: UptheGuts(UptheGuts)

UptheGuts(UptheGuts) — Wed, 27 Jun 2012 05:44:05 +0000

HM just got an idea of what the games against OZ and NZ will be like, because just as much as Alberts is a way better ball carrier than Potgieter, so are these 2 teams defense compared to ENG. Our big ball carriers are going to struggle to dominate the collisions just like last week. So, the BIG question is…where to from here?

I was dissapointed with his squad selection. Got over that…sort of, waiting to see what they’ll come up with if plan A is not working. I saw nothing new and that fills me with dred. I hope to hell he can come up with a solution before the championship comes round

By: bangkok-bok(bangkok-bok)

bangkok-bok(bangkok-bok) — Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:10:02 +0000

@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-270: Disagree: 6: Burger 7: Alberts 8: Vermeulen. Coetzee will get his time. Headless chook at the moment.

By: bangkok-bok(bangkok-bok)

bangkok-bok(bangkok-bok) — Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:48:17 +0000

@Big Hit(Big Hit)-265: Agree on Steenkamp!

By: Heavens Game(Heavens Game)

Heavens Game(Heavens Game) — Tue, 26 Jun 2012 07:46:40 +0000

Priorities for the Boks:

A search for a decent 13 with match winning potential
i.e. Not a holding player and just adequate: Possibly JPP fits the bill

Balance in the loose Trio:
Possible combos are 8. Coetzee 7 Alberts 6 Brussouw or 8. Kanko 7. Coetsee 6. Brussouw (with Alberts 4 or Impact)

A tighthead that is an adequate replacement for Doc.

Pienaar has probably played himself into no. 1 spot as 9.

If Lambie is to take over 10 (which is the most sensible, logical choice) then the search is on for a 15. Aplon is not the answer. If Lambie is to be 15, where he has shown to be light years ahead of the next best then another option at 10 is needed. Possibly Jantjies, especially if Frans is at 12 and can play a similar role to Butch to give Elton a fall back option.

Bring back Bakkies for a while, if only to be a bench option in order to school Etsebeth.

By: Heavens Game(Heavens Game)

Heavens Game(Heavens Game) — Tue, 26 Jun 2012 07:30:53 +0000

Here it is… The HG Simple Bok Player assessment for Sat

Forwards:

Passengers:
Beast
Potgieter
Etsebeth
Kruger

Hard Work but Ineffective: Spies, Bismarck

Outstanding: Coetsee (Ran, Tackled but eventually trying to do it all on his own was too much)
Kanko (A beaut of a tackle, high workrate plus excellent link play)

Farken useless: Kruger

Backline:

Passengers:
JDV
Habana

Hard work but ineffective: Aplon, Olivier

Outstanding: JPP, Pienaar

Farken useless: Steyn, Hougaard

By: willievz(willievz)

willievz(willievz) — Tue, 26 Jun 2012 07:14:07 +0000

@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-260:

The All Blacks and Wallabies also played a third test, and gave their all in order to win / complete the clean sweep.

And they also play important S15 games this weekend.

Forget about Morne’s kicks for a second – the English did not take a few kickable penalties either, therefore casting a different light on the whole Morne-argument. I expect Morne to be dropped for the Rugby Champs but me and you both know the coach will not do that.

British Lions series, 2-1. SA beating Australia in Australia at cricket, 2-1.

Keo is spot on, we are a nation satisfied with mediocrity. We will never be a great sporting nation unless we change our outlook in this regard.

By: toulon says(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)

toulon says(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha) — Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:47:35 +0000

@Big Hit(Big Hit)-265: no i disagree on bakkies, steenkamp is playing some incredible rugby yes, but bakkies is overweight (maybe) and def unfit for 80 minutes in the 4nations.

By: stew(stew)

stew(stew) — Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:29:57 +0000

@Big Hit(Big Hit)-265: The issue of pride of picking HOME Springboks .... time nations come to the realisation that rugby is now a world sport the better

By: Big Hit(Big Hit)

Big Hit(Big Hit) — Tue, 26 Jun 2012 04:47:04 +0000

@blueboy(blueboy)-243: 'the boks need a mongrel like bakkies at No4 ' Here's an idea...why not just pick Bakkies? he didn't retire and he's playing good rugby, ditto for Steenkamp.

By: Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)

Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast) — Tue, 26 Jun 2012 02:50:01 +0000

@CoachPete(CoachPete)-262: Another point on doing better, keep in mind he had these guys for a week ebfore the first test and with recovery time limited time between the next two. I say again, we saw glimpses of greatness we hardly ever saw under PDivvie so yes, plenty of room to improve but we have not gone backwards.

By: Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)

Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast) — Tue, 26 Jun 2012 02:47:19 +0000

@CoachPete(CoachPete)-262: Pete, Spies is a plonker and should not be there. As for Steyn, he is having a bad run but has saved our bacon often enough in the past to at least understand his selection. The problem now is who would you replace him with? Grant is not the answer with his limited playing ability and short line kicks he is just not international standard.

By: CoachPete(CoachPete)

CoachPete(CoachPete) — Tue, 26 Jun 2012 02:37:27 +0000

@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-261: Yes you have a point there Its just frustrating knowing we can do better (IMO) We keep seeing players like Spies and Steyn been selected over and over again and not really producing what is expected of test players and other players are not getting opportunities

By: Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)

Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast) — Tue, 26 Jun 2012 02:31:38 +0000

@CoachPete(CoachPete)-259: Pete, don't fall in the trap of underestimating NH rugby. They have improved and unless you at the top of your game they can surprise you, it is not a case of pitching for a comfortable win anymore. Poms showed us this weekend and the Irish did it last weekend. The Wobblies knew they were in for a scrap as they were playing the best NH team whilst their own were littered with injuries.

By: Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)

Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast) — Tue, 26 Jun 2012 02:27:37 +0000

@ovoidballs(ovoidballs)-258: Good point, ultimately the Meyer has not lost a test yet and in the first two tests we saw glimpses of greatness. That this could not be kept up in the two games probably has more to do with the limited preparation time he had than anything else. As for the 3rd test, Keo has it spot on and in his words 'the players individually offered very little intent in the collisions'. So let us forget for the time being that we were but one more successful kick from victory and we had plenty of chances to do that, Steyn on the day had other ideas... I got the feeling that the majority of Boks played with the intend not to get injured and although wrong you have to keep in mind the majority of them will be running out this weekend in what will be very important Super 15 matches. On the flipside you had the English that gave it their all for that elusive win and a little break coming up. End of the day we still did not lose and neither did they win. It was disappointing from a supporter's view (me and a few others) but far from a disaster. The real test for Meyer will be what he is going to do with the team selection for the 4N coming up and there is plenty to chew on. But lets not lynch him before he had a change to show us what he is made of.

By: CoachPete(CoachPete)

CoachPete(CoachPete) — Tue, 26 Jun 2012 02:19:14 +0000

@ovoidballs(ovoidballs)-258:
I dont think its all Venom
This was not a very good English team and we all know that Boks should have won all 3 comfortably
Its more frustration because many of us can see the weak areas.
The bok team should have improved each game and 1st half of 2nd game they were great .
This last Saturday they were poor and M steyn was horrible
If you have Jaantjies on the bench use him He could not have been any worse
Also Spies and Potgieter were below average
Bismark was marked by 3 poms and Spies never crosses the gain line
Oh and yes these are Bulls players
Sure there have been injuries but adjusting and the basics needed to be there
And kick your chances at goal too
HM does not play or kick at goal but he makes the calls and he needed to tell his team to adjust and take players not performing off

I hope he learnt something from this

By: ovoidballs(ovoidballs)

ovoidballs(ovoidballs) — Tue, 26 Jun 2012 00:48:54 +0000

I think the venom leveled at HM is both untoward and telling. Our coach has had a successful start to his tenure, pulling off a series win having hardly had any time to prepare for it. Provincialism seems to have aided the mutation of a breed of armchair puff adder- lazily lying coiled to take down the coach should his selection blow up in his face. In the less than perfect nature of the wins and this draw the asps are seizing their meager chance and much like actual puff adders are proving to be ugly and nastily venomous.

By: whatever(whatever)

whatever(whatever) — Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:58:57 +0000

@lockforward.com(lockforward.com)-256:

The only reason Morne is in the team is to kick. If he can’t do that consistantly then he must go. Play Pienaar at 9 with Lambie at 10. Taute, if fit, at 15. Steyn and JDV in the centres and JP and Brian on the wings

Backline sorted

By: lockforward.com(lockforward.com)

lockforward.com(lockforward.com) — Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:54:40 +0000

Morne is being let off too easily. One more successful goal kick and we would be celebrating an ugly victory, with sage words about work in progress.

Or to put it differently: If Morne had kicked like this in recent years PdV would have an overall win percentage of 0%.

Not good enough.

By: CoachPete(CoachPete)

CoachPete(CoachPete) — Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:41:08 +0000

@corporal punishment(corporal punishment)-254:
Yes BUT…..
You have to pick the right combinations
if you have talent at you disposal you need to use them
HM has gone predominantly Bulls players,
Also he has decided a style of rugby (bulls style) and after Poms had did their homework the boks had no clue and could not change or adapt
There was no Alberts so they keyed in on Spies and Bismark and Potgieter who got nowhere Coetzee . They targeted our forwards who always carried the ball.
Hougaard needed to break more often or try to and Mornes kickes needed to be a lot better
Morne needed to be subbed and at 50 min mark