Brumbies win Sydney snoozefest
7 Jul 2012
SIMON BORCHARDT saw Jake White’s side take another step towards the Australian conference title with a 19-15 victory against the Waratahs.
The Brumbies, who will play the Blues in their final league fixture in Canberra next weekend, are now five log points clear of the Reds, who will host the Waratahs. However, whoever wins the Australian conference will have to up their game substantially to avoid being knocked out of the competition by the team that finishes sixth on the combined standings (probably the Bulls or Sharks).
The Brumbies were well below their best at Sydney’s Olympic Stadium but fortunately for them they were up against a team that has made a habit of losing games they should have won. The Waratahs dominated the breakdown in the second half and had most of the ball, but were unable to kick on from Berrick Barnes’ try that gave them a 15-9 lead with 20 minutes to go.
The Brumbies hit back shortly after with a Henry Speight try, which was followed by touchline conversion and penalty kicks by Zack Holmes and Jesses Moggs respectively.
The less said about the first half, the better. Tatafu Polota-Nau barged over for a try on the half-hour mark after Barnes had taken a quick penalty tap, but three penalties saw the Brumbies lead 9-5 at the break.
The second half was a bit more entertaining, with two tries scored, but this was yet another Australian derby that will quickly be forgotten.
111 Comments
7 Jul 2012, 11:34 am
GO BOYS!!!!! My Dragons to break the Sydney jinx today???
7 Jul 2012, 11:35 am
Crusaders ankle tapping of the Chiefs. Tick.
Sharks shackling the Bulls. Tick.
Waratahs tying up the Brumbies. ?
Stormers taking advantage with a full house win against the Cheetahs. ?
7 Jul 2012, 11:37 am
Brumbies need to do the right thing and lose.
7 Jul 2012, 11:40 am
Ur name says it all…
7 Jul 2012, 11:51 am
These Aussie games are almost unbearable …
7 Jul 2012, 11:56 am
Like I said…
7 Jul 2012, 11:57 am
time to change from ss1 to any other channel.
7 Jul 2012, 11:59 am
Go the Tahs. (for Superbru purposes only..)
7 Jul 2012, 12:02 pm
Y
7 Jul 2012, 12:02 pm
A
7 Jul 2012, 12:03 pm
W
7 Jul 2012, 12:03 pm
N
7 Jul 2012, 12:04 pm
Brumbies should take this. Sloppy game, though.
So far my weekend is going well from a Superbru perspective, just hope the Lions don’t disappoint me tonight.
7 Jul 2012, 12:05 pm
“Typical Aussie arm wrestle” = good argument for televising paint drying instead.
7 Jul 2012, 12:05 pm
Say what you want about Oz derbies, but at least skill and use of the brain define these matches. As for our local epics, on the other hand… Absorbing but bloody hell, the skills levels leave a lot to be desired…
7 Jul 2012, 12:21 pm
@kaksioek(kaksioek)-14:
they’re the super and tri nations champs they must be something right but let me guess you don’t rate Australian rugby despite them having the wood on you in recent years
7 Jul 2012, 12:21 pm
“doing”
7 Jul 2012, 12:22 pm
I like the way they skillfully play between the two 22m lines for most of the match.
7 Jul 2012, 12:23 pm
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-16: So are you enjoying the game?
7 Jul 2012, 12:24 pm
NZINCHINA, you really do hate Saffas, don’t you?
7 Jul 2012, 12:28 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-20: No, I don’t believe he does, he just likes to speak facts.
7 Jul 2012, 12:30 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-20:
no I love you guys but Australain rugby currently sits above SA rugby, they have the trophies you don’t there is absolutely no respect for them in SA, don’t you find that strange after recent results?
7 Jul 2012, 12:30 pm
Sorry: “state facts”.
7 Jul 2012, 12:35 pm
This game is dire: fact.
7 Jul 2012, 12:36 pm
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-16: Must be honest with you, I thought the same this morning when Naas Botha was saying on Supersport how Australian rugby is not in a good place at the moment….
They were talking player numbers and depth etc etc etc. Players leaving for Japan and Europe etc. Injuries to key Aussie players etc.
He forgot to mention how the Aussies have always punched above their playing numbers, and how when it matters they do just fine…….
No, they are not NZ and SA in terms of player numbers, but if that was all that mattered, Australia should be ranked 12th in the world….
I don’t like ‘em, but I sure as sh y te respect them, BECAUSE despite the constant battle for ‘survival’ they kick our butts pretty regularly.
7 Jul 2012, 12:39 pm
Fair enough.
I for one love the traditional Springbok-All Blacks rivalry. I would love bringing back tours.
7 Jul 2012, 12:41 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-25:
exactly if Naas says it 98.8% of SA will think its true, they will be right up there again come the 4 Nations and could have two teams in the playoffs for the super comp, I’m not sure why they are always written off in SA!!
7 Jul 2012, 12:43 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-26:
sure me too mate, its the pinnacle for us as well but the Aussies have given us plenty of beatings at crucial times so in NZ they are never written off
7 Jul 2012, 12:44 pm
Look, when it comes to sport, nobody can match the Australians.
Bloody brilliant in most they play, they punch well above their weight based on population.
If only SA had the development structures Aus have in place, never mind the professionalism of their administrators.
I believe South Africans and Australians are more similar than we like to admit.
7 Jul 2012, 12:46 pm
Prefer that the Brumbies win this
7 Jul 2012, 12:47 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-29:
WTF
you must be having a laugh
7 Jul 2012, 12:48 pm
@chch(chch)-30: So would the ref, apparently.
7 Jul 2012, 12:53 pm
Not at all, chch. Just look at how well the Australians do at the Olympics.
7 Jul 2012, 12:53 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-29:
Can you attempt to justify the statement “Look, when it comes to sport, nobody can match the Australians.” ?
I am just asking as it is friggen ridiculous.
7 Jul 2012, 12:55 pm
C’mon Brumbies.
7 Jul 2012, 13:02 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-33:
Australians purchased tickets to the Olympics because it was the big fun event at the time. People got motivated and all sorts of odd things happened like trains running on time. Australia were the spotlight and it was all exciting for them and people had fun.
I know many Australians and I know many Australians who were at the Olympics and it was just a huge fun event for them. To try and attribute all that to some sort of sporting superior culture is just wring (and I know many Australians who would back up that statement).
If there is one thing that was a big first impression when I moved to Australia it was that the idea that it was some sort of sporting nation was just how the country is promoted and it’s really a bit of a farce.
I took 5 life long Waratahs fans (who lived in Sydney) to their first game. I could name 500 things like that. Even trying to watch sport is a joke. It’s even next to impossible to find sports bar’s that you can watch sport at.
7 Jul 2012, 13:13 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-29: Jake White in the new SA rugby magazine chats about this. Bloody good article. Certain things the Aussies do differently…
7 Jul 2012, 13:16 pm
That was thrilling. I take it all back.
7 Jul 2012, 13:20 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-29: many nations are better than australia at sport dont go over the top now. australias win record over the past decade isnt great at all 54% under deans and 52% under jones and not much better before or after those two. they are good at cricket and league and have their moments in olympic events but not anything like you try to say. they only got a bit over us in rugby because of peter but they never had any edge over us before that at all.
7 Jul 2012, 13:22 pm
Simon got the headline right.
7 Jul 2012, 13:24 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-33:
If you are referring to medals then the Australians do well because of the swimming. In summing you can move your arm slightly differently or roll over and just go it a bit further and it is counted as another event and another bunch of medals. With some 100 medals available from the pool as a swimming nation you expect to do well in the medal count at the Olympics.
The way the media follow and report on the distorted view of achievement is vial. Media reporting that their country is better as they have twice the medals as country X. Yeah that is what the Olympics are meant to be about, how good you are at event with an extreme number of variations. People pretending to take an interest in all sorts of stuff that they never gave a **** about before. It’s a farce.
Part of the reason Aus do so well in the pool and the Olympics in general is because the Australian Sports Institute is very very good. The government put a lot of money into it.
There are many nations out their where people are more sporting orientated (or just as sporting orientated). Many people are achieving great things without ever having that level of financial backing too. Australia is not a bad sporting nation but it does promote itself as a very sporting nation with a sporting culture and if you go and live their you will realise that is just promotional bollocks
7 Jul 2012, 13:28 pm
Sorry about the spelling above
7 Jul 2012, 13:29 pm
@chch(chch)-41: Exactly!
7 Jul 2012, 13:30 pm
I make a point never to watch Aussie derbys – fcking booring as hell and this match lived up to the snorre-o-metre, based on the snoozefest comment.
That’s right Oneil I will not give you my tv ratings. Not a chance.
7 Jul 2012, 13:31 pm
So, the SA rugby supporters who were so much against the conference system because it seemed to be more advantages towards the Aussie teams, what are they saying now?
Brumbies now have more log points than the Bulls and the Sharks. The Reds are only one point behind this two teams.
In fact, it now looks as if the conference system is going to help the Bulls and the Sharks to at least reach the play off round. Something that would not have happened if we went straight to semi finals and then a final.
The irony, neh!!!
7 Jul 2012, 13:36 pm
@nama1(nama1)-45: what are you talking about man – look at the log. 3 SA teams in the playoffs, 2 Kiwi teams and 1 convitc team. That sums up the strenght of the conferences.
Brumbies are kak and will be moered by either the guppies or the bullies in the playoffs.
7 Jul 2012, 13:38 pm
@nama1(nama1)-45: yes it worked out in the end, so far but you are not understanding anything at all. you cannot set up a tournament where a team with less points has any kind of chance of being top! if you think you can justify this then i feel sorry for you.
7 Jul 2012, 13:40 pm
@RL(RL)-46: the guppies got lucky last time and the bulls too i dont know whose socks you been smocking pal.
7 Jul 2012, 13:51 pm
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-48: where is the lucky column on the scoreboard?
7 Jul 2012, 13:56 pm
@RL(RL)-49: it matters alot you said those two will kill the brumbies when in fact both were outplayed by them. keep dreaming if think the bruumbies will roll over. and stop lieing to yourself that either one played any good against them this season.
7 Jul 2012, 13:58 pm
@nama1(nama1)-45:
FFS!!!!
It still does favour the Aussies. They get to play play the Rebels/Force and Tahs twice. The Lions are ****, but the Cheetahs on there day can give anyone a hard time.The Kiwi’s have 4 teams who can beat anyone. SA has 3. Aus has 1.
No comp is fair when every team doesn’t play every other team the same amount of times.
It’s a joke of system (no matter who it favours actually).
7 Jul 2012, 14:00 pm
@nama1(nama1)-45:
If it was a straight top 4 shoot out (playing with the old system), no Aussie teams would be close.
7 Jul 2012, 14:12 pm
@chch(chch)-34: Considering their population they must be the most successful country in the world. They have champions at tennis, golf, athletics, swimming, cricket, hockey, rugby,triathlons, rowing, squash, and so on. They have superb infrastructure and very professional administrators as well as a government of first world standards. Pound for pound, who do you think can better them?
7 Jul 2012, 14:20 pm
@CenturionShark (aka LondonShark)(londonshark)-52: This year perhaps. Personally I would love to see the conference system scrapped and replaced with a simple games won/lost order of merit, with tries for/against determining final ranking.
7 Jul 2012, 14:23 pm
@CenturionShark (aka LondonShark)(londonshark)-51:
Does it favour the aussies. How many points have the bulls and stormers got off playing the cheetahs and lions…18 or 20?
Also this hometown refs…how many games have the saffa teams been on the benefit end of some rubbish saffa reffing to keep the saffa team competitive…ie.e the bulls.
7 Jul 2012, 14:26 pm
@Fatflanker(Fatflanker)-54:
Then we are going to have travel whining?
This conference set up is built up to suit the saffa teams…when it was being negotiated. The saffa teams have benefitted from the S14 and S 15 due to the aussie teams being spread thin. Remember the S12 days….all the wins from the saffa franchises collectively could be counted on two hands!!!
7 Jul 2012, 14:27 pm
@wallabie.(wallabie.)-55: there are two SA refs on the IRB elite panel and zero convict refs there.
Point is Aussie refs are all kak.
7 Jul 2012, 14:28 pm
@CenturionShark (aka LondonShark)(londonshark)-52:
How are the teams placed at the moment?
Find your whole and crawl back in it buddy! Or make hay while the sun shines without being bitter about it!!
7 Jul 2012, 14:30 pm
@RL(RL)-57:
At least our refs did not cheat!
Your refs have kept the bulls competitive….in the top six!
7 Jul 2012, 14:31 pm
Can somebody who understands idiot tell me what the fuc “lieing” is?
7 Jul 2012, 14:33 pm
@wallabie.(wallabie.)-58: where on the scoreboard is the “cheating ref column”?
7 Jul 2012, 14:34 pm
simon/jc/ryan…
where’s the cheetahs stormers thread guys…?
wakey wakey
7 Jul 2012, 14:40 pm
@RL(RL)-46:
Brumbies have 4 MORE points than both the Bulls and the Sharks on the log after 15 matches.
They scored 5 tries against the Bulls at Loftus and came within a whisker of upsetting them.
Just win their 5th consecutive AWAY game today.
How can you say they are kak?
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-47:
“yes it worked out in the end”
That’s all that metters, isn’t it? What happens in the end.
What happened in round 3 or 4 or 5 don’t matter now.
PS: You don’t have to feel sorry for me. I’m quite fine, thank you very much.
@CenturionShark (aka LondonShark)(londonshark)-52:
If it was a straight top 4 shoot out right now, the Chiefs will play the Crusaders and the Stormers will play the Brumbies in the semis.
So, you are wrong.
7 Jul 2012, 14:42 pm
Guys when is the Stormers game on???
7 Jul 2012, 14:44 pm
@bangkok-bok(bangkok-bok)-64: 15 minutes time.
7 Jul 2012, 14:45 pm
@nama1(nama1)-63:
Cause they are boring.
@ufo(ufo)-62: that dragon is going to be mine.
7 Jul 2012, 14:46 pm
@stormer in a teacup(stormer in a teacup)-65: TX! In Thailand I have to use the net
7 Jul 2012, 14:52 pm
@RL(RL)-61:
Thats why they can cheat and do so! They wont be held accountable! Lol
7 Jul 2012, 15:02 pm
Lets put it this way you idiot fuks if an aussie top side has less points than any other saffer or kiwi side they will ALWAYS go through because they are conference champs. now tell me again that the system isnt broken. it doesnt matter how many points the brumbies have the system is STILL broke for fk sake.
7 Jul 2012, 15:02 pm
so Waratahs rolled over at home just to give Jakey’s fakey’s a chance at shutting out Reds… that’s what you call Aussie collusion tactics at its zenith point.. crafty bloody underhanded buddy buddy system of infernal infected infidelity
Where’s the Waratah die hard destructibility of old.. gone up in smoke… they muscle the Brumbies with superior domination at all facets of play but still give the Fakey’s wannabes an easy gimme 4 points for zilch…. hopeless is as hopeless does.. and right now colluded Aussie rugby is it.
7 Jul 2012, 15:05 pm
junk system this .. its set up like a lottery…. and ref’s hold all the aces.
Play S12 and do away with all the extra baggage it just confuses and stuffs up the works.
7 Jul 2012, 15:20 pm
@wallabie.(wallabie.)-59: Well said! Get yourself a Bells, I’m paying!!!
7 Jul 2012, 15:21 pm
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-50: Same for you, BlitzBok!!!
7 Jul 2012, 15:22 pm
@wallabie.(wallabie.)-59:you talk ***** aussie your lot know nothing but cheating its been keeping the wallabies somewhat competitive for over a decade.
7 Jul 2012, 15:32 pm
So after usual ABs conspiracy (everyone cheats to their benefit) and Crusaders conspiracy (other franchises roll over and refs step in to help them progress) now it is a copy+paste Brumbies conspiracy from their compatriots. Local bloody derbies? forget it, it’s helping hands all around.
Nothing escapes from hawk-eyes in the Republic.
7 Jul 2012, 15:50 pm
@RL(RL)-66:
Such a clever answer.
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-69:
Listen, you dumb idiot.
If South Africa’s top side has less points than any other Aussie or Kiwi side they will ALSO go through because they are conference champs.
It works that wayy. for everybod
7 Jul 2012, 15:59 pm
@wallabie.(wallabie.)-55:
Oh wow, you pulled the ref card. Keep dreaming bud. Our refs are the best in the business. Deal with it.
7 Jul 2012, 16:01 pm
@nama1(nama1)-63:
F*** dude grow a brain. I said WITH THE OLD SYSTEM. I can tell you the Brumbies would never EVER be 4th (or 3rd as they are now) if it was a normal round robin i.e. When everyone plays every THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIMES.
Take off the blinkers boet.
7 Jul 2012, 16:03 pm
@wallabie.(wallabie.)-58:
Nice reply, but try some substance next time.
The conference system is just plain wrong. Even the Stormers have benifited (by not having to play the Chiefs and visa versa).
It’s a silly setup that DOES NOT favour the stronger teams.
7 Jul 2012, 16:05 pm
@nama1(nama1)-76:
“If South Africa’s top side has less points than any other Aussie or Kiwi side they will ALSO go through because they are conference champs.”
WHY WOULD YOU WANT THAT???????? If a team doesn’t get enough points you don’t deserve to go through.
Unless you like getting something you haven’t earned.
7 Jul 2012, 16:37 pm
@CenturionShark (aka LondonShark)(londonshark)-80: this oak is ***** thick as pig ***** leave him be
7 Jul 2012, 16:38 pm
@CenturionShark (aka LondonShark)(londonshark)-80: even worse this whole system is eating into our test rugby!! who the hell came up with this idea anyway?
7 Jul 2012, 16:58 pm
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-82:
Aussie’s idea. Kiwi’s do what they told. South African officials took a fat bribe to back the system.
7 Jul 2012, 18:25 pm
@CenturionShark (aka LondonShark)(londonshark)-51:
Agree about the tournament structure
SANZAR are morons
7 Jul 2012, 18:30 pm
@stormer in a teacup(stormer in a teacup)-53:
Your kidding
how about we look at a site that has analysed this …..
http://www.greatestsportingnation.com/content/capita-cup-worlds-sportiest-country
and there you have it
7 Jul 2012, 19:34 pm
@CenturionShark (aka LondonShark)(londonshark)-80:
Don’t blame the system because your team is too kak to end up in the top two and guarantee themselves a place in the semis.
Take a good, hard look at your team.
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-81:
That goes for you as well, dumbfuck.
7 Jul 2012, 19:42 pm
@CenturionShark (aka LondonShark)(londonshark)-80:
“Unless you like getting something you haven’t earned.”
So, so predictable and boring.
Try another one next time, fool.
7 Jul 2012, 23:49 pm
@CenturionShark (aka LondonShark)(londonshark)-78:
Why do you talk about the brumbies…take 10 points off the bulls and you see where they sit. At least the brumbies have competition in their own conference.
Take your blinkers off.
7 Jul 2012, 23:50 pm
Should tally up conference points of all points won from derby games.
8 Jul 2012, 00:38 am
Centurion – go easy on the little Nama, he can be a bit slow at times.
Lol I see ol’ snotshyte is stilllllll having nightmares and spewing spittle about “Jakey Fakey”…! I bet all of little snottieshytes worst nightmares are turning to reality with Jake’s team about to win the conference. At the start of the season snottie told us how Jakey was doomed to fail. He is the only fail. What a plonker!
8 Jul 2012, 09:57 am
@nama1(nama1)-86:
Can you read??? The whole system sucks. For everyone!!!!
8 Jul 2012, 09:58 am
@wallabie.(wallabie.)-88:
I agree. Do the same with the Bulls.
The ENTIRE system sucks and doesn’t reward the best team. Good God man….what don’t you get about this???:?
8 Jul 2012, 10:02 am
@nama1(nama1)-87:
No actual response?? There is NO merit in the conference system vs a proper round robin.
That’s why you revert to insults because you have no actual argument.
Are you part of the ANC by any chance?
8 Jul 2012, 11:13 am
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-81:
Tell me about it man….where do these guys come from??
8 Jul 2012, 13:24 pm
@CenturionShark (aka LondonShark)(londonshark)-93:
Listen, ANY system that combine a league phase with a knock out phase has its draw backs. There is not a perfect system. The closest you get is the one used by UEFA to determine the club champions of Europ.
Play home and away in the league phase as well as the knock out phase with the final at a neutral venue. However such a system will be way too expensive for SANZAR.
We’ve used the system where the top four went straight into a semi final and the two winners play each other in the final, for years. You guys found a reason to complain then also citing things such as travel fatigue, ANZAC conspiracy and some such kak as reasons why SA teams did not do well.
Now we have a conference system, which by no means is perfect. But as I’ve said already, THERE IS NO PERFECT SYSTEM if you combine a league phase with a knock out phase.
You guys should stop trying to “box” a person just because he.she is not your colour and he/she happens to disagree with you.
You were the one suggesting that I “like to get something that I haven’t earned.” Being South African and knowing how people like you think, I took exeption to it hence calling you a fool. I stand by that because you are a fool.
Now you want to know whether I am “part of the ANC.” What on earth does that have to do with our little “argument” about the conference system, if I may ask.
@CenturionShark (aka LondonShark)(londonshark)-92:
“The ENTIRE system sucks and doesn’t reward the best team.”
The Reds were the best team last year and they were well rewarded for their efforts.
THEY WON THE COMPETITION.
This year the Stormers and the Chiefs are without doubt the best teams in the competition. They are already ensured of their semi final places with one round to go.
Good REWARD for being the best teams in the competition.
Again you talk kak.
8 Jul 2012, 13:30 pm
@nama1(nama1)-95:
The fact that all the teams know beforehand exactly what is expected of them to reach the play off, semi finals or final, makes the system FAIR for everybody.
Not PERFECT but FAIR.
So just stop whining about the system just because your teams are struggling.
8 Jul 2012, 14:37 pm
@nama1(nama1)-95:
Wow, so it took me comparing you to the ANC to actually EXPLAIN yourself instead of just insulting me.
And if you follow SA politics, you will know that’s what the ANC (expecially the youth league) does.
But look, you think the system is fair, I don’t. So we gonna have agree to disagree. Or maybe I should drop your level and just call you a fool and say you ‘talk kak’.
Child.
8 Jul 2012, 14:40 pm
@nama1(nama1)-95:
“You were the one suggesting that I “like to get something that I haven’t earned.” Being South African and knowing how people like you think, I took exeption to it hence calling you a fool. I stand by that because you are a fool. ”
Again you off the mark. Why would you take exception to what I said. I have NO idea if you are white, black, indian, coloured or even South African. Stop looking for kak when there isn’t any.
8 Jul 2012, 15:04 pm
@CenturionShark (aka LondonShark)(londonshark)-98:
With a nic like Nama, you did not know whether I was “white, black, indian, coloured or even South African.”
Hahaha
Tell me another joke, mister.
You and other fools like you are of the opinion that it is only your kind who work for what they have while the “others” just want to “have things that they don’t deserve.”
You can play with word all you like mister, at the end of the day you and I both know what you meant.
Oh yes, the system is FAIR for EVERY TEAM involved.
Is it PERFECT?… NO.
8 Jul 2012, 15:18 pm
@CenturionShark (aka LondonShark)(londonshark)-97:
I ask again, what the hell does the ANC, or me being “part” of them, have to do with our little squabble about the conference system?
Thing about guys like you is that every time you cannot defend yourself properly, you drag the ANC, inept government, Zume, Malema and all that into the conversation.
You have not once give valid reason for your stance re the conference system being a kak system apart from saying such stupid things as, “It’s a silly setup that DOES NOT favour the stronger teams” or “The ENTIRE system sucks and doesn’t reward the best team.”
I’ve dealt with those already. Give me a good explanation why you believe the system is kak without reverting to rethoric.
For example: Give examples where the stronger/best teams were hampered in their progress towards a semi or final.
8 Jul 2012, 17:48 pm
@nama1(nama1)-100:
Watch this. I’m going to post without insulting you. PS Why would I know what Nama is/means???? I’ve answered your ‘anc’ question in the previous post. It was tongue in cheek. I’m sorry if you couldn’t see that.
Okay here we go:
A real round robin means every team plays every other team. The Stormers missed out on playing the Chiefs, and the Sharks missed out on the Crusaders. 4 top teams missing out on each other. How is that fair to other teams who maybe miss out on playing the Lions or the Rebels?
Next. Wining is a habit. By playing in a ‘weaker’ conference (which I think Aus has) you build momentum that you never should have had in the first place.
Let’s now look at the Crusaders. Do you think they would have topped the Aussie pool? Or should I put it this way. If the Crusaders could have played in the Aussie Conference I would bet my house on them finishing top of the OVERALL log.
The system is flawed. The OLD (Super 14) system was NOT because every team played everyone else (the same amount of times) and that was that. This by the way should be enough to highlight the flaws in the conference system.
Look, that’s my opinion. I’m done here. You the one who jumped to conclusions (seriously, what does Nama mean?? Are you from SA?) and started the insults. If you like the conference system, good for you, but don’t get all defensive for no good reason when someone disagrees with you.
8 Jul 2012, 21:48 pm
Trying to take the high road wrt insulting when you were the one who started with the insults.
“F*** dude grow a brain.” (p. 78)
In any case. A real round robin means every team plays each other, HOME AND AWAY. The competition winner is the one that ends up with the most log points. No semi final, no final.
So, we don’t play a real round robin in rugby when we play semis and finals unlike soccer.
With the Sharks not playing the Reds and the Saders, who both end up higher on the log than them, it means that the Sharks were actually NOT HAMPERED in their bid to reach the semi finals or final. Most people will argue that they were in fact advantaged.
The old system was also flawed because it gave a team that ended up in 4th place (maybe 10 points behind the log leader) a chance to surprise in the semi and the final and walk away with the title.
Also, by playing every team just once, it means that you might face some of the stronger teams on their home ground in a given year where your chances of winning are significantly slimmer. There by reducing your chances to make the semi in that given year. So, you see it wasby no means perfect.
Winning may be a habit, yes. But, you really don’t want to tell me that if you play in a weak competition where you consistently win, that you will carry that habit over to a tougher competition. That’s just stupid. I mean, do you really believe that just because the EP team win a lot of games in the B-section of the CC that they will now carry that momentum with them if they play a team from the A-section and beat them? That’s insane. Also, if the Crusaders were playing in the SA conference, I bet my house that they would’ve been on top of the log every year. Does that mean the SA conference is weak also?
It is so easy to make silly comments and then just claim afterwards that it was tongue in cheek if you are called out on it by someone or accuse people of jumping to conclusions when they read the hidden meaning behind the words etc. I don’t buy into that. Sorry.
PS: I’m no big fan of the conference system myself. I just don’t believe in putting the blame on outside sources if my team is not doing well. I was just stringing you along because you are a Sharks fan and because you are trying to blame the system for the fact that the Sharks are struggling to make the top 6. I still believe though that because every team knows exactly how it works before the start of the competition, the system is fair to everyone.
So, enjoy the rest of the night and the week ahead.
9 Jul 2012, 00:01 am
OK little namakins, just where does Centurion imply that he doesn’t like the current format “because his team is struggling to finish in the top 6″?
You are such a sensitive little soul too, mostly in regards to race I notice.
9 Jul 2012, 01:54 am
@chch(chch)-36:
Where do you live…..woop woop? Australia’s version of timbuktu!
9 Jul 2012, 01:56 am
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-103:
In a orevious thread…their conversation has been going on for sometime!
9 Jul 2012, 02:04 am
@RL(RL)-46:
Or the weakness…bulls and stormers gathered 18-20 points from their two weakest teams. Putting them top. Take a gimme game from either of them and the bulls are out and stormers fourth.
9 Jul 2012, 08:03 am
@101
NAMA is corrupt irish institute
9 Jul 2012, 08:03 am
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-103:
Ja, I never ONCE blamed the system for where the Sharks are. He/she is making assumptions and is (as always) super sensitive and likes to look for drama when there isn’t any.
9 Jul 2012, 08:06 am
@wallabie.(wallabie.)-105:
Huh??? The Namster and I have being having a go on this thread ONLY.
Man, you also like making things up.
9 Jul 2012, 08:07 am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Asset_Management_Agency
10 Jul 2012, 10:57 am
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-103:
When somebody tries to tell me that I like to get something that I haven’t earned, I getv sensitive.
Much like you when you are told that you only got what you have because of apartheid and that you did not work for it, OK!!!
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-110:
So, so stupid Fern. Even more than usual.
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