Sharper side will take Brisbane spoils
18 Jul 2012
JON CARDINELLI analyses Saturday’s clash in the Queensland capital and writes that the winner may not be the side that makes the big plays, but rather the team that makes the fewest errors.
It may seem an obvious statement to make, but then the Reds and Sharks have been anything but consistent this season.
Both have scraped through to the play-offs despite some woeful performances where the inconsistencies have cost them the result. There have also be instances where these teams have mixed the accurate with the erratic, and have still managed to come out on top.
If this is to be accepted, then what insight can statistics provide? Indeed, both teams should be expected to play more conservatively in a knockout match than they have in recent rounds. Four-try bonus points are no longer a priority, and this could be reflected in either team’s approach.
But there is something to be gained by examining the stats of the Round 4 clash between these two teams. There is also value in the statistics when you look at how the referee for this match, Jonathan Kaplan, has officiated over the course of the 2012 season.
If we look at who is available for the coming match, and who was available for that Round 4 game in Durban, there are key differences but also many similarities. The Sharks will be without Pat Lambie this weekend, who played flyhalf in that previous game. The Reds are likely to play the same halfback pairing of Will Genia and Ben Lucas, as Quade Cooper is not available until a possible semi-final. The big omission for Queenslanders on this occasion will be that of lock James Horwill.
The Sharks won the Round 4 match 27-22 after trailing 17-10 at half-time. It was a game where the Sharks started badly, but found form as the match progressed. It was also a game where the Reds were hampered by a number of injuries throughout and were forced to finish with scrumhalf Genia in the flyhalf channel.
According to ruckingoodstats.com, both teams were guilty of many turnovers on that occasion, with the Reds (19) worse than the Sharks (14). The Reds made 10 handling errors on the day, and this obviously impacted on their ability to capitalise on a superior amount of possession (69% in the first half and 53% in the second). They may have also have edged the game but for some woeful goal-kicking where their kickers missed three attempts at posts.
Lambie was flawless in front of goal, converting all five attempts. But while the Sharks will miss Lambie’s influence in the side, it must be noted that he has since been shifted to fullback with Freddie Michalak coming in at No 10. And apart from lending the Sharks some impetus from that flyhalf position, Michalak has also maintained an impressive goal-kicking record (81%) over the course of the season.
If the Reds impede this Saturday, the Sharks will feel confident that Michalak can make the hosts pay on the scoreboard. Ruckingoodstats reveals that of the 15 teams that played Super Rugby this season, the Reds were ranked third for penalties conceded (they conceded 10.6 penalties per match on average). The Sharks are ranked seventh overall in this respect.
Breaking it down further, the Reds are the biggest culprits when in possession, conceding more penalties than any of the other 14 teams. And looking at the rucks and mauls, the Reds are ranked second for the most penalties conceded.
Scrums aren’t much better, with the Reds conceding the third most penalties. The Sharks will have noted this weakness, and as they boast one of the strongest and most disciplined scrums, they will surely look to target the Reds in this area.
At the other set piece, however, it is the Reds that are more threatening. They are ranked second in the competition for winning the lineout against the throw. Considering their weakness at the scrum, they should look to disrupt the Sharks at the lineout.
While the Reds have conceded a number of penalties while in possession, and a fair few at the breakdown, they are proficient in making breakdown steals (3.9 per match). They have some specialists in Liam Gill and Beau Robinson, as well as hooker Saia Faingaa, who excel in this respect.
It will also help that Kaplan is officiating this fixture, as the South African is one of the more lenient referees at the ruck and maul (Kaplan is ranked 15th out of 19 Super Rugby referees in terms of penalties awarded in these areas). This may allow the Reds to maintain possession a bit more than usual, and also have more of a crack at the breakdown turnover when they’re defending.
But where Kaplan is far less generous is at the scrum, and as the superior team in this area, the Sharks should benefit. Kaplan is ranked fifth when it comes to infringements awarded at this set piece.
He also tends to award more penalties than free kicks and there are only four refs in the competition who offer fewer scrum resets than Kaplan. In short, if the Reds impede or fail to set properly, Kaplan is unlikely to give them another crack. The Sharks have conceded the fewest scrum infringements in the tournament.
Suncorp Stadium is often described as the perfect ground on which to play running rugby, and it’s true that both sides have a penchant for a fast-paced approach. But the occasion may demand a tighter, less risky game plan, and the margin for error will be small.
The Reds may not have Cooper available for this play-off, but they do have a reliable goal-kicker in Mike Harris (who has a 77% success rate). It is for this reason the Sharks will also need to ensure they don’t impede within range of the goal posts.
Their big banker will be Michalak, who will be tasked with turning Reds infringements and errors into points.
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629 Comments
18 Jul 2012, 05:28 am
Kaplan will have a huge influence on this game. He hammered the reds in their last game with him in charge. I doubt the Aussies are happy about this.
Hopefully he swallows his whistle and lets the game flow for once.
18 Jul 2012, 06:13 am
Can’t compare the two teams to the two teams that played in R4, both improved substantially since then. Reds know how to break down a side in 80 minutes but this will only happen if the Sharks allow it.
As for Suncorp, lots of rain last week up to today and light falls predicted for the rest of the week. Won’t be muddy but will be soft underfoot and probably murky/slippery ball conditions.
18 Jul 2012, 06:16 am
Reds haven’t been at their best – Sharks have only been at their best at KP. Let’s sit back and enjoy………
18 Jul 2012, 06:17 am
@jeest(jeest)-1:
Most Aussies take refs in their stride with the eception of Phillip Kearns who always have something to say about them. Then again, it is the Reds and he will be happy if the Reds get nailed…
18 Jul 2012, 07:14 am
@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-4: Yeah that’s a fair point – they rarely whinge about the refs….which surprises me as they don’t seem to have any of their own so they are usually getting shafted.
Anyway – lets hope it’s a good, free flowing game and both sides turn up
18 Jul 2012, 07:41 am
@jeest(jeest)-5:
With limited impact by the ref and TMO
PS They have Stevie Walsh…
18 Jul 2012, 07:47 am
more Koos
18 Jul 2012, 07:58 am
@trupisero(trupisero)-7:
Howzit Trup, hoe hang dinge?
18 Jul 2012, 08:02 am
@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-6: kaplan’s the ref & goddard’s the TMO…
kaplan is a “momentum” referee, he awards freebie points to the team going forward especially in the red zone (excuse the pun) teams are almost assured of 3 points as kaplan summarily pulls out his hand whether an infringement is visible or not.
18 Jul 2012, 08:04 am
Happy 94th Madiba…!!
May there be many more for you…!!
18 Jul 2012, 08:09 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-9:
Momentum ref, I like that!
So you saying with the stronger pack the Sharks should be ok?
18 Jul 2012, 08:23 am
Momentum ref..interesting. I’m gonna use that
18 Jul 2012, 08:25 am
Nelson Mandela spent 27 years in jail: that is approximately:
* 324 months
* 9720 days
It’s an awful long time and precious time that he cannot get back to invest in his children and their children. Today Madiba is loved all over the world, but I think we will insult the man if we don’t reflect on what he fought for: he just believed that every man is equal; its that simple.
Today is a commercialised icon and at times you would think he fought FOR Afrikaners the way they carry on, but we will miss the point if we’re not careful.
We idolise Madiba but violate the principles he stood (and continue to stand) for and see those that pursue justice and fairness (yes even around us) as the enemy (or someone with a hidden agenda)
In this regard Afrikaners and indeed the broader white population of SA that continue to hog the resources of the country need to have a change of heart. We are all winners if we are all better off.
18 Jul 2012, 08:29 am
the Sharks have more than a handful of Springboks including some Key players like Alberts and Bismark and JPP.
The Reds have more than a handful of Wallabies including some key players like Genia, Higginbotham and Digg-me.
So will this be a forerunner of international form to come??
Probably not.
The Sharks, full of talented players as they are, have this season lacked that special element that distinguishes a Championship team from playoff hopefuls.
Players like Jean DeVilliers, Eben Etsebeth and Joe Pieterson.
18 Jul 2012, 08:32 am
Sheriff, the same Madiba who blew up churches etc? without afrikaners you would still be a “Harry die strandloper” and you chick would still be a “Saartjie Baartman”
18 Jul 2012, 08:33 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-14:
Absolutely…
18 Jul 2012, 08:34 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-13:
Good post…
18 Jul 2012, 08:35 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-13: That’s a lovely speech.
More handouts please…….
You are falling prey to the 90% truth fallacy. Yes he is a great man and must be applauded and respected for what he did (and didn’t do) but to use his name as an excuse to expect those that have to simply give it back is disappointing and indicative of the very sense of entitlement that pervades this country and holds many of those same “excluded” back from trying to make it themselves because they would rather someone gives it to them.
18 Jul 2012, 08:36 am
mighty Reds by 16…
18 Jul 2012, 08:41 am
JK is the worst ref in the comp as far as im concerned
might be to the sharks detriment
JK is gonna be the biggest difference in this game
18 Jul 2012, 08:41 am
@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-4:
In the years before I put the volume on Mute, Kearns was my favourite, always bad mouthed Kaplan just to end up with an egg on his face when watching the replays, him and that prxx Rod Kafer, slowed down a beat with their drivel but not sure now
@Transformation(Transformation)-9:
Wow
And what type of a referee is Pro Legota?
Or that TMO Christie something, please enlighten us!
18 Jul 2012, 08:43 am
@Papoose(papaown)-12:
Carefull Transie’s royalties are excessive…
Is he also a hometown ref because if nothing those Qldrs are a roudy bunch in there?
18 Jul 2012, 08:44 am
@grant10(grant100)-15:
Is this the same liberal Grant __________ ; I nearly typed your surname there.
It seems you have been unmasked as a white supremacist after all; I can assure you I am not surprised at all
I see you’re getting rather personal; I suggest you avoid that – my post is merely an ‘opinion post’
The crux of my post is that we must not violate Madiba (and many others’) principles
18 Jul 2012, 08:47 am
@Hondo(Hondo)-21:
His new favorite is Jewberrr
18 Jul 2012, 08:47 am
@jacoshark(jacoshark)-20:
The Beast and Ndungane will be the biggest difference makers for the Sharks IMO unless they keep them off the line-up
Few dropped passes by Mvovo may have a great impact too
18 Jul 2012, 08:48 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-18:
I don’t really expect you to understand what I wrote in that post.
You’re just too immature…
18 Jul 2012, 08:50 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-13:
“In this regard Afrikaners and indeed the broader white population of SA that continue to hog the resources of the country need to have a change of heart. We are all winners if we are all better off.”
Give, give, give.
Demand, demand, demand.
Expect… freebies… expect… freebies…
Commie bastardo
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-18:
“… but to use his name as an excuse to expect those that have to simply give it back …”
Give what back exactly? Who allegedly had it before? There were no companies, there was no knowledge of mineral wealth, there was no ownership or demarcation of property, there was no currency………. what is there to give back?
With the exception of the San/Khoi (whatever they are called these days) our ancestors were are all immigrants to this land…. so I don’t get how some feel more “entitled” than others….
18 Jul 2012, 08:56 am
Brisbane has had A LOT of rain over the last few weeks. So the field won’t be hard and fast like the Reds are used to.
This could be a good thing for the Sharks!
18 Jul 2012, 08:56 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-23:
Don’t know if you aware that this is the imposter Grant10 and not the (in)famous anti-Fat Boys Club cheerleader who went on a self imposed exile from Keo-Land
18 Jul 2012, 09:04 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-26: No, the immaturity rests on you I’m afraid. You see, I understand it perfectly.
I had a fairly long and extremely well constructed rebuttal typed out but really, I’m not about to cast pearls before swine.
The fact is, I have a fair amount. If you want it you’ll have to take it. I’m one of those 500 000 people who earn above R180 000 per annum in this country (according to stats from SARS from some years ago) In fact, I’m probably in a bracket of a lot fewer people than that.This is self generated, not a salary.
Collectively we support more than 15 million people of welfare benefits in SA.
Don’t preach to me.
18 Jul 2012, 09:06 am
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-27: Yes i know, I read the article and in a way you are correct but that’s a whole different argument and beyond the willingness of those( who it doesn’t suit to believe) to comprehend
18 Jul 2012, 09:06 am
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-27:
Actually not hey?
I’m giving my opinion about a situation in our country. I don’t want anything that you and those like you can give.
You need to remember that favourable conditions (as created by those in Govt) existed generations ago for whites to accumulate wealth. Education was geared towards ensuring that we have cheap black labour and white management.
Today’s generation is arrogant because they feel they worked hard for it and to an extent they have and continue to do so. However they forget how it is that they could attend university, own a farm and so on. Apartheid was an economic system justified on self-made religious grounds. To this Afrikaners still yearn for some form of consolation, they still think they are somehow ‘called by God to do this and that…’
And don’t think I’m in favour of the type of corruption we see today; it is just as repulsive as the corruption of the Nats
Mate don’t be so impressed by ‘things’, you cannot take it to the grave
18 Jul 2012, 09:08 am
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-29:
I’m now not sure if you are referring to the grant that used to blog here for years or is this someone pretending to be him?
18 Jul 2012, 09:09 am
Just bought 4 tickets for the Stormers semi-final. Hope the Sharks are the opponents.
18 Jul 2012, 09:10 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-30: Correction “15 million people ON welfare….”
18 Jul 2012, 09:10 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-30:
Casting pearls before swine, you say.
Tell me son: are you white? Give me your age bracket so we can have a meaningful conversation.
18 Jul 2012, 09:10 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-30: Only 500 000 people earn above R180,000??? Are you kidding me?
Thats scary.
18 Jul 2012, 09:12 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-33:
Yes, the one claiming to be Grant10 is actually Grant100. And he’s a racist.
18 Jul 2012, 09:13 am
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-38:
Ok, thanks for pointing out mate
18 Jul 2012, 09:16 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-39:
All good.
Now to sit back and follow the interesting debate between you and Stormersboy while I pretend to be hard at work
18 Jul 2012, 09:16 am
with Sheriff it ultimately all comes down to race, proved time and time again on this forum. No use engaging with him.
On another, separate, note:
SHARKS!
18 Jul 2012, 09:17 am
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-40: really – you find it interesting?
18 Jul 2012, 09:19 am
Twat 1000 Mandela had nothing to do with that Church bombing… But you keep telling yourself that…
18 Jul 2012, 09:21 am
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-37: That’s an old stat, about 7 or 8 years old but yes. If you consider that if 500 000 earn(ed) over R180k p.a. (basically still nothing) then the number earning over, say R500k p.a. is probably less than 50 000. Which is where it really starts to mess with your mind.
18 Jul 2012, 09:21 am
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-40:
I’m hoping for it to be meaningful dialogue
18 Jul 2012, 09:22 am
If the Sharks keep it tight and keep the possesion it could go their way… Heres hoping…
18 Jul 2012, 09:23 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-36: “Give me your age bracket so we can have a meaningful conversation.”
There you go again. Give give give.
18 Jul 2012, 09:27 am
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-42:
Yes
It’s 1000 times better than scrolling by mindless insults that’s been flooding the interweb station known as Keo.
Around here they don’t moderate remember, they assess, and ignore.
18 Jul 2012, 09:28 am
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-41:
Are you not a legal guy?
I am not.
You should relish the opportunity to show off your reasoning skills – let’s see what you’ve got. It’s really the way of a coward to say : ‘ With Sheriff it comes down to race …’
See I write about these things. I put it in the open. You think about them privately. I articulate it.
And we have to say that the tough stuff. It’s tough to think things through and then articulate. It’s far easier to go with mainstream (mostly white in SA) thinking and then to irrationally try and defend that which you treasure but have not quite defined yet.
18 Jul 2012, 09:29 am
Sheriff, white students don’t burn down schools & universities. White students don’t go jumping on desks and start pissing on chicks at varsity during a strike …. they WANT to learn … you can’t force anyone to attend classes and actually learn something … – can’t blame apartheid for that!
18 Jul 2012, 09:30 am
okay… all together now…
“Haaappy Biiirthday to yooouuu…”
come on… louder than that…
“Haaappy Biiirthday to yooouuu…”
hey you there at the back…? you’re not singing…!
“Haaappy BIRTHday to Madiiiiibaaaa…!!!!”
common now… end with gusto…
“Haaappy BIRTHday to Yoooouuuu…!!!!”
there you go… not so hard was it…?
well done for all joining in on the Birthday of this remarkable human being…!!
18 Jul 2012, 09:31 am
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-37:
180 large per year doesn’t seem much.
Even Maevis is pulling in more than that.
18 Jul 2012, 09:31 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-36: In all seriousness, the very fact that you ask me my age before wanting to engage in any meaningful debate is in itself a little disturbing. I must however dash so I do not have time to debate with you. Another time perhaps.
18 Jul 2012, 09:33 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-47:
Type your age bracket.
Mate you are a product of your upbringing, schooling and often one can link it to age or generation. These are obviously not the only factors, but they sure play a role.
It should be no disgrace to you to learn a few things here on keo. I have done so and will continue to do so. Regular bloggers on keo often have a burden to convey a message and when put under pressure you will see who that person is (albeit virtually)
18 Jul 2012, 09:33 am
@ufo(ufo)-51: Happy Birthday Madiba!!
I’m told by my sources that Madiba is in fact, a Stormers supporter.
A great man.
18 Jul 2012, 09:34 am
It seems the Captains of Industry may have their “authoritative” figures slightly wrong…
Lets just do a quick back of matchbox calc: 500 000 people at 180 000pa with 40% tax rate gives us 36 * 10^9 (9 x 0′s)… now apparently they “support” 15 mill on welfare equating to the princely sum of R200 per month…
And that is before education, health services, government salaries, defence etc are even sniffed at…
Shew… Must be Tesco economics – Every little goes a long way
18 Jul 2012, 09:34 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-49: lol, Sheriff, your first problem is that you assume I am interested in your opinion. I am not. I do however note that most if not all of your “opinions” all relate to a person’s race. It must eat away at you, right?
Why not pop along to News24 or some other such forum – I am sure you will find many people interested in your opinion there, perhaps even a few that may agree – and leave Keo to rugby.
18 Jul 2012, 09:34 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-49:
Don’t know if you’re familiar with Dr Cornel West
He calls it critical thinking
18 Jul 2012, 09:35 am
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-52: I think it’s fair to say that with the time value of money it’s probably closer to R300k now.
Still not much.
18 Jul 2012, 09:36 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-13: to think the ABs waited almost that long for Bill.
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-23: Its not the butler boy.
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-32: well, in the previous regime the minority protected themselves, in the current regime they, after 17 odd years in power still require to protect 90% of the population against the rest?
And oddly, this 10% minority still supports the vast majority on welfare benefits, etc…
18 Jul 2012, 09:36 am
@grant10(grant100)-50:
I don’t talk to imposters
Coward
18 Jul 2012, 09:37 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-32: Firstly If you wanna talk politics go do it somewhere else, but here is my two cents:
Do not measure every one on the same basis as “Whites” I come from a poor family that had no so called handed out Farm, given the chance to study at varsity etc etc ****!!
I had to work my butt off to be where I am today. worked two jobs as a student paying for his own studies and receiving not a cent from anyone to do so. I was in no private school or received any hand outs. And still I made something from my life.. No thanks to apartheid, as it ended when I was 12!
It has been 18 years now since 1994 election.. and still you hear the 20 year old talk about them being fighting the struggle…Grow up and work for what you want to achieve and stop blaming the f@cking past!!
This is 2012!!
18 Jul 2012, 09:38 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-55: so was PW…
18 Jul 2012, 09:39 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-56:
yes, but you’re only calculating taxes on individual taxpayers.
what about corpoarate taxes?
as well vat and levies on other goods, services, products?
when all added together it must be more than enough to support the number of people on welfare?
that or you’re suggesting the government uses debt, bonds or similar to fund any shortfalls?
18 Jul 2012, 09:40 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-56: The figures were reported facts.
You know where the majority of revenue collection comes from. Corporate tax. Not individual tax.
It is however safe to say that those 500 000 people make up the backbone of those corporate structures, and therefore are mostly responsible for SARS’ ability to collect said tax and support said welfare programs.
But you knew that and just wanted to be argumentative.
But that’s fine, I;m moving on, if you want to debate with Sherrif then fine.
Knock yourself out.
18 Jul 2012, 09:40 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-56: Maybe the Reserve Bank just prints some money for welfare…. Or the Vampiresquid ABSA, Incestec, and their like, Bankers just derive it out of thin air….
Us Saffas… we put Mugabe Voodoo economics to shame, hey
18 Jul 2012, 09:41 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-13:
I agree to some extent with what you are trying to say here, but you cant leave a barbed comment like that hanging in the air, for all the non SA’s who frequent this site to decipher.
If you feel the need to mention the 27 years of life wasted because the NATS sent Nelson to jail, you should also then maybe touch on the subject of the many, many bombs that were detonated in public places, killing and maiming innocent people, including women and children, that Nelson Mandela authorised.
18 Jul 2012, 09:41 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-56: that’d be a minimum of 180k….
@Provvas(Provvas)-62: isn’t the world ending this year?
18 Jul 2012, 09:42 am
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-57:
You lie. You are interested in it – that’s the reason why you responded to my posts. The reason you say you are not interested in it is because it does not align with your beliefs.
So you know you disagree with it but you cannot articulate it.
Do you want me to engage you on rugby? My appetite is low as I have not seen anything from you over the years that reveal a bit of insight (or deeper understanding) of the game. But you have convince me that you are a Sharks fan – or do you want me to try and dispute that?
I put it to you that you don’t understand the SA society.
18 Jul 2012, 09:44 am
@Provvas(Provvas)-62:
What else those marked as ’20 years old’ can do other that talk about a ‘struggle’?
they probably mean ‘lutting’ ?
18 Jul 2012, 09:47 am
@galileo, roundness, union, coach…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-64: Yes…@stormersboy(stormersboy)-65: Hmmm, all the other taxes, levies and royalties… Now a clearer picture emerges… so that too “supports” the 15 mill on welfare, not just the “magnificent” 500 000…
Hehehe… talking about “90% fallacies”… how about a “Five Hundred Thousand Fallacy” just coined here… on Keo… by the Captains of Industry
18 Jul 2012, 09:47 am
@trupisero(trupisero)-60:
Is that all you can say? You walk around actively thinking in your head: I support most of these idiots, I’m superior
Have you ever pause and ask yourself why you are financially superior or better off? You prolly thought irrationally and privately: it’s because I’m white hey…
18 Jul 2012, 09:48 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-65:
Meaning you are exempted from paying?
18 Jul 2012, 09:48 am
@ufo(ufo)-10: @ufo(ufo)-51: @stormersboy(stormersboy)-55: I join in congrats.
18 Jul 2012, 09:52 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-72: I don’t support any of them.
18 Jul 2012, 09:54 am
@trupisero(trupisero)-68: Yes… true, a median or mean for a category should be used….. easy enough if you have a category of say “100 000 – 120 000″ consisting of a certain number of individuals… but what do you use when the category is “>180 000″…
But then again I am no Keo Captain of Industry…
18 Jul 2012, 09:54 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-53:
I find it ironic that sharrif has chosen to go down this route.
whilst he suckles at the government teat in Pretoria and buys his Burger patties at Woolies.
I wonder if he has told his father in law about his new found principles.
18 Jul 2012, 09:54 am
@galileo, roundness, union, coach…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-64:
Here in Nz we just borrow from overseas to pay the shortfall.Our Prime Minister said he will create 200,000 new jobs, only thing he didn’t say those jobs were in Australia.
18 Jul 2012, 09:56 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-55:
of course he is…!!!
@Nils(Nils)-74:
yes, i heard you singing … good voice…
18 Jul 2012, 09:56 am
@galileo, roundness, union, coach…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-64: @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-71:
Actually taxes on Income and profits (including Personal and Corporate Tax account for only about 60% of tax collection, with individual tax accounting for (surprisingly to me) approximately 31% of this.
So us 500 000, whilst contributing the majority of only 31% of the total revenue collected, still contribute more than the corporates.
See now i’ve taught myself (and you most likely) something.
My point still stands.
18 Jul 2012, 09:57 am
@Hondo(Hondo)-73:
Smartass.
18 Jul 2012, 09:58 am
@Provvas(Provvas)-62:
Mate it’s not politics, it’s life in SA.
Rugby plugs into that reality and so from time to time we comment on these things. We approach the same topic (rugby) from different angles.
So you’re 30 now and sound pretty bitter there mate. Well done on your achievements and I mean it. But may I point out that it’s a pretty individualistic view you have there.
Impress me now and aim to do something for the broader community, not just the white community like Solidariteit’s Helpende Hand’s Skooltassie Projek. I’m not saying exclude them but aim broader. Wake up and begin to see the vulnerable in society.
18 Jul 2012, 09:58 am
@Te Rangatira(Te Rangatira)-78:
Our prez said he would create 1 million jobs. Pity though that there are more than 1 million Zimbabweans alone illegally in this country, taking what jobs there are.
On the same note though, our prez says he showers after ***, therefore wont contract AIDS.
He’s a genius.
18 Jul 2012, 09:59 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-69:
“So you know you disagree with it but you cannot articulate it.”
That has to be the “clunkiest” attempt ever to try and elicit a response from anyone!
It will not work.
I am just not interested enough in you. You are boring. It’s all the same with you (you are skop without the f’ckadilly foo foo f’ckwit runtc’ntisms).
Sorry, but the truth may indeed hurt.
18 Jul 2012, 10:00 am
No Grant 100 “white students” go “flaptrapping” killing black homeless men or pissing in cleaning ladies drinks and food… Idiot!
18 Jul 2012, 10:02 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-82:
Help me to understand something here. Why must we all open arms and help the broader society? Who will do our jobs then?
What about the R29000 in PAYE I pay every month? Isnt this meant to help people, or is it only so the trough feeders at the top can buy a second JET? Or maybe a second luxary car?
Where do you think the responsibility lies for mess this country is in? Dont you think the ruling party should be held responsible? They have the power. They have the money. They just dont have the inclination.
18 Jul 2012, 10:03 am
@THE MAULER(THE MAULER)-85:
Do you have any links, any evidence, at all to substantiate what you have said there?
If not, then you are simply spreading absolute cr@p.
18 Jul 2012, 10:04 am
@Stawm(Stawm)-86: That’s it in a nutshell. I save my empathy for those i am close to, including those who rely on me for an income. Not just my family.
We’re all out of guilt here.
18 Jul 2012, 10:04 am
@Stawm(Stawm)-67:
Mate, you don’t have to worry about our international reputation.
People out there know about SA and its past.
Are you expecting me to defend Madiba’s actions? He must give an account of his actions and I think he has taken steps to express his regrets.
Madiba is no saint in my eyes, but I do value his contributions deeply and feel sorry for him that he had to pay such a high price. The reason: because of selfish and racist Nats- that fact cannot be disputed.
18 Jul 2012, 10:04 am
@Stawm(Stawm)-83:
Ours isn’t that bad,can usually feel safe around a eunuch.
18 Jul 2012, 10:05 am
wow i was hoping to talk about the game on here as no aussie sites have enough people contributing. seems like lots of political talk. HB to Mudiba.
Looking forward to a good game on saturday. Got my tickets.
18 Jul 2012, 10:06 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-82: You know there is a saying that goes.. Charity begins at home. I have a huge problem with the genral rule that only blacks suffered in this country.. when it should read a lot of people suffered.. I am not bitter at all mate.. I reached my dreams in a country where it was real hard to get to…. but would have it no other way.
Only when the majority in this country realise that to better yourself with education, hard work, sacrifices, you will ultimately better everyone will it begin to strive to the goals to become the so called 1st world country we can easily be! And stop waiting for some hand out promised by the goverment every 4 years…
18 Jul 2012, 10:06 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-76:
No you aren’t.
Sut down and pay attention.
Class is in sesssion.
18 Jul 2012, 10:08 am
So,Stormersboy proudly announces to the word that he is part of an elite group of people that subsidizes the poor black masses?Beggars belief.You farkers are becoming way to precious down there in Cape Town.
18 Jul 2012, 10:08 am
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-77:
Why are you obsessed with me?
This post of yours is nothing else but to say: Sheriff, notice me, I’m here as well.
Why I ask you. Why?
Why have you installed me as an authority in your life?
(As an aside: if you meet me in real life you will find that its more of the same, prolly just a bit harsher cause I can speak faster than what I can type)
18 Jul 2012, 10:09 am
@Te Rangatira(Te Rangatira)-78:
ok, that cant be good for you guys long term though? i think what is both a positive and a negative for you guys is that you’re a small population.
positive because you dont have the large scale social type welfare/wealth issues to deal with as we do.
negative because you can never build an economy comparable in size to ours as we have a market of 50 million plus all the sadc and rest of africa region which we trade with (costs are lower due to proximity, whereas you guys are isolated from say asia and have to compete with ozzie interests in australia?)
18 Jul 2012, 10:10 am
Stawm i dont need evidence! It was all over the news!! I suppose you dont read any news… Ever heard of the waterkloof 4?? Wake up!
18 Jul 2012, 10:11 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-80: So, lets extend these “authoritative figures with a back of my marlboro *** packet quick calc: if the magnificent 500 000 contribute 31% of all revenue…
The welfare figures then rise to a princely sum of R645 pm using all revenue, (with the 500 000 at 31% as the basis)… still without a sniff spent elsewhere…
Maybe someone at SARS was having a goof when he wrote down these “authoritative” figures
Sheezus, voodoo ecos – gotta love it…
18 Jul 2012, 10:12 am
@Provvas(Provvas)-92:
Dominee, you’re preaching to the converted here.
The only reason why you are worried about handouts is because the little bit you accumulated are threatened.
If you want I will transfer R10 to your savings account every month from hereon. I want you to prosper…
18 Jul 2012, 10:12 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-80:
is this an argument to increase corporate taxes and decrease personal taxes?
18 Jul 2012, 10:13 am
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-93: I am sitting enraptured… Learning as I type…
18 Jul 2012, 10:13 am
@Stawm(Stawm)-86: just tell them your name is crime.
It doesn’t pay.
18 Jul 2012, 10:14 am
@galileo, roundness, union, coach…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-96:
Exactly….we are living large at the expense of future generations…to put it bluntly…we are in the ****.
18 Jul 2012, 10:15 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-89:
Thats a good answer Sheriff. You should have included those lines in your original post. I agree with you on that. Mandela is no saint, not by any means whatsoever!
NATS were no saints either. Their main fault was religion based first and foremost. They honestly believed that to keep their faith pure, their blood lines had to be pure. No mixing at any level. Even English speaking people were marginalized against, obviously not anywhere near the extent of other race groups. Religion again has played a role in destroying society.
But dont assume the world knows the truth. Not everyone had/has access to all the TRC files.
18 Jul 2012, 10:18 am
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-84:
But you did respond. You are walking, talking, typing, farting contradiction.
No you don’t think I’m boring. You just don’t like my style. I’m too confrontational and direct to your liking.
18 Jul 2012, 10:23 am
On Madiba’s birthday, another interweb snapshot of the rainbow nation
Those who see Mandela as a terrorist won’t be changed.
Those who see him as a perfect man without fault won’t be changed either.
Those who simply recognize him as a great man and global treasure (but a human none the less) are those I can identify with.
Happy Birthday Madiba.
18 Jul 2012, 10:25 am
@THE MAULER(THE MAULER)-97:
So you are in fact referring to one isolated incident?
Really?
One incident?
Would you enjoy it if I highlighted just one of the more than 4000 farm murders that have occurred, and use this as a reference point to judge all black people?
Seriously?
Who needs to wake up?
18 Jul 2012, 10:26 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-95:
Am I wrong?
Can you really speak faster than what you can type?
18 Jul 2012, 10:31 am
Sheesh…
did any of you guys see this piece on RugbyHeaven…???
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/7296554/Serial-cheats-Crusaders-prosper-by-conning-refs
18 Jul 2012, 10:32 am
@Stawm(Stawm)-86:
The gap between the haves and the havenots continue to grow despite these outcries.
Live beyond yourself and your immediate family. Start in your own community and gradually move beyond.
18 Jul 2012, 10:34 am
Stawm my response was to Grant 100 talking exactly that! We were talking anout Students! And yes Farm murders are a huge problem that affects us all! So i mention 1 incident? What about the other one at the university of the freestate? Im just saying in terms of population white people arent angels either! I am white!
18 Jul 2012, 10:37 am
While talking about rugby….
Rumors abound that many spectators and staff at the Cheetahs match had to be treated for psychological trauma after seeing the most bizarre sight during the rugby match.
Unconfirmed reports (probably untrue) say that a Sharks forward (Coetzee?) ran through a gap instead of running around it.
Experts have dismissed this claim as being highly unlikely, impossible in fact.
“Maybe a back would try it if they had had too much dope, but a forward, never!” expressed one very emphatically.
“Maybe if he was unsighted.” said another.
18 Jul 2012, 10:40 am
@Stawm(Stawm)-104:
Mate remember the answer was good whether you agree or not.
So you say the souties were marginalised?
Let’s not talk about religious matters because my ideas are quite radical there as well. I’m not your average Liewe-Hiesus type…
18 Jul 2012, 10:47 am
@ufo(ufo)-109: Yes
Did you read the comments below. I thought Galileo might have been the author, but it seems not.
18 Jul 2012, 10:50 am
BUT YOU DON’T BIN SIR RICHIE: Crusaders skipper Richie McCaw being spoken to by ref Steve Walsh.
Opinion
NZC bosses should fry over sending raw CapsSerial cheats Crusaders prosper by conning refsBlues job a tough assignment for John Kirwan Bulls won’t change tactics for CrusadersThe inevitability of Tour De France sabotageLondon scores first Summer Games hat-trickLin deal shows there’s no room for sentimentSimple remedy to Super Rugby’s TMO fiascoNo encores for awful WaratahsBulls’ eye-gouging claim rouses Crusaders
OPINION: Twelve months ago thousands of neutral rugby fans were backing the Crusaders.
After the horrors of the two earthquakes, we hoped Christchurch could derive some shreds of momentary joy from the performance of their rugby team. No more. Some of us now hope that any team but the Crusaders wins the Super Rugby.
Richie McCaw’s post-match eloquence and decency is in contrast to his coach’s one-eyed remarks and hides a multitude of sins. Too many of the Crusaders intimidate referees, take cheap shots at the opposition and serially cheat around the ruck and maul.
It is a cultural malaise that is presumably encouraged by the coaching staff and sets a terrible example to young players around the country.
Let’s deal with the intimidation of referees first, because this is a problem that is affecting all levels of rugby in the country. McCaw says far more than he should to referees and uses his status to influence games.
Too often the Crusaders are officiated by New Zealand refs who are clearly in awe of the man. Instead of telling McCaw to shut up, they hang on every word.
Bryce Lawrence, a ref who facilitated a Crusaders victory against the Reds earlier this season, is the worst offender.
Don’t take my word for it. Before the match against the Hurricanes Sean Fitzpatrick said: “Richie has had the wood on him [Lawrence]”.
This is a former All Blacks captain saying that McCaw has control of a referee. Michael Lynagh then added: “He [Lawrence] appears lenient towards the Crusaders.”
After the game Fitzpatrick said: “I thought they [the Canes] didn’t always get the rub of the green. I thought the referee was pretty harsh on them on a number of occasions, especially at the breakdown.”
Not according to Todd Blackadder. The Crusaders coach said after his team’s defeat: “There were two tries that shouldn’t have been awarded, for a start. These things they hurt you and they kill you.”
Even though in the opinion of many, including a former All Blacks captain, the ref favoured the Crusaders overall, Blackadder still gave him the bird.
The Crusaders work on referees as a group. Andy Ellis plays the nice cop, giving the refs a pat, trying to keep them onside. Kieran Read, like McCaw, uses his growing status to get at refs.
How often have we seen his look of wide-eyed amazement followed by a querying, some would say dissenting, shake of his head.
Against the Chiefs, Corey Flynn was warned by referee Steve Walsh for appealing too loudly. Ellis, of course, reacts to his team-mate’s rebuke by patting Walsh sympathetically.
He would have done better to have told his forwards to desist because Luke Romano then appealed for a crooked lineout throw and pumped his fist at the opposition after getting the decision. Charming.
Yet unlike the Crusaders, the Chiefs’ coaching staff didn’t whinge after the defeat. They could have justly pointed out that Romano’s try should have been disallowed because one of the Franks brothers was offside at the kick and, far from retreating, was actually trying to play the ball.
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They could have pointed out that Sam Whitelock was off his feet when he drove Ellis over the line, despite Lyndon Bray’s very odd assertion to the contrary.
They could have asked why not one Crusaders player was binned as they serially cheated in the final, desperate two minutes. Ah, but you don’t bin Sir Richie.
The Chiefs could conclude from all this that intimidation of referees is something that works. How on earth did Vinny Munro award those two TMO tries against the Force at the weekend?
Nathan Sharpe was complimentary about the Crusaders afterwards, while wryly observing: “They scored four tries in the first half. Not sure how they got a couple of them but they did.”
When the points are added up at the end of the season, young, inexperienced, quiet sides like the Canes and the Brumbies lose out. You could even call them disciplined sides, but the lesson is that discipline doesn’t pay.
The Crusaders haven’t had the best of seasons, but they have controlled enough refs to start the playoffs at home. They shouldn’t even be there.
When junior players see the Crusaders prospering through verbal intimidation, is it any wonder that they imitate the country’s top players. Last week a Wairarapa ref retired after 20 years because he was fed up with the abuse.
“Enough is enough,” he said. “The union has to ensure that those who act outside the spirit of the game are held to account.”
They could start with the Crusaders. Apart from the intimidation of refs, Romano and the Franks brothers frequently hit late and dangerously. The Crusaders forwards are also the most cynical bunch at the tackle area.
When they have the ball, they hold and obstruct. When they are the tackler, they rarely roll away and if they do, it is towards the opposition halfback who they “accidentally” impede.
The home crowd don’t appear to care, so long as their team wins. Far too many booed the referee at the weekend when he quite correctly disallowed two tries, one for a grotesquely forward pass, the other when Adam Whitelock was in danger of getting to the tryline ahead of the ball, he was so far offside.
Despite plenty of individual brilliance and decency, the Crusaders have become an unappealing bunch. Maybe something decent died when Brad Thorn left.
Whatever the cause, I hope the Crusaders lose and come back next season with a proper respect for referees.
- © Fairfax NZ News
18 Jul 2012, 10:51 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-110:
I think I speak for a lot of people when I say this:
I support my parents, and one other family member. Most people I know are doing this. In addition I have to pay excessive security fees in terms of household security etc, and I have to pay for private schooling – not that its a must, but because I want to give my children the best I can.
I EXPECT the government to at least try and spend my tax money correctly.
I dont have excess funds to spare.
18 Jul 2012, 10:51 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-106: I recall a time where my folks prohibited the use of the word “mandela” whether around the house, school or playground and juxtapose it with the “times square billboard” use of his name and i have to chuckle…
is it me or has the media this year put extra cheese on this whole mandela day shebang?
18 Jul 2012, 10:52 am
@bozo(genius)-112:
that is quite funny
18 Jul 2012, 10:54 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-114:
not all of them… some unhappy people there… and some happy people too…
would never have thought a new zealand site would publish an article like that…
18 Jul 2012, 10:54 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-99: No its the belief that worries me!! Not the physicval hand out…
You should maybe spend some time up in Africa in the other states to realise cheap black labour is not something only thought up in SA.. its the whole of africa….
SA is so far ahead most black african countries….. wonder why? Look at all countries that are at some point ruled by the western civilisations..
Canada, Amercia, Australia etc etc… they are prospering due to the rule of those influential times of thier history… enough about this!!
Time to Support the Stormers!! Which Im sure you want to lose in the semi!!
18 Jul 2012, 10:55 am
@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-4: Not so sure. Spiro never seemed happy in his article. Now do have to agree with him. Bring back neutral refs. Sharks and Stormers both had kiwi refs when we played a kiwi side this year. I certainly don’t agree with a ref reffing a side from his country when we are playing on our HOME turf. Should be neutral refs.
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SPIRO: SANZAR Stuffs up referrees for Reds and Crusaders.
By Spiro Zavos, 18 Jul 2012
SANZAR has stupidly threatened the integrity of the qualifying finals this weekend between the Crusaders and Bulls and the Reds and Sharks by appointing two South African referees to officiate in matches involving two South African sides.
This stupidity runs against all the history and protocols of most major international sports where neutral referees are required for the big finals.
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It is unthinkable, for instance, that a New Zealand referee, say, would have been appointed to referee the final of the 2011 RWC tournament when New Zealand played France.
Heineken Cup finals, too, are refereed by neutral referees. This system of neutral referees is long-standing (aside from Super Rugby) and is fair and is seen to be fair.
On Monday, though, SANZAR’s game manager, Lyndon Bray (an excellent referee in his day) announced that the South African, Paco Peyper, will be the referee for the Crusaders – Bulls match, with assistants New Zealanders Keith Brown, Glen Jackson and TMO Garratt Williamson: and that South African Jonathan Kaplan will be the referee for the Reds – Sharks match, with the South African Craig Joubert an assistant and the Australians James Leckie (assistant) and Matt Goddard as TMO.
The justification for these appointments, according to Bray, is that the two referees fulfilled three key criteria – overall performance, accuracy of the big calls and the ‘right fit for the game.’
Pardon my french but this is codswallop.
To begin with the last criterion first: Kaplan is well past his prime as a referee. How he can be regarded as the ‘right fit’ for a match between two sides that like to run the ball and play at a high pace is beyond my understanding.
Peyper being a ‘right fit’ for the Crusaders – Bulls match is even more objectionable. Peyper refereed the Bulls – Crusaders match at Pretoria earlier in the year. This match is infamous for the fact that the Crusaders were leading comfortably around the half-way mark when the Bulls forwards Flip van der Merwe and then Chiliboy Ralepelle claimed they were eye-gouged.
No evidence of the eye-gouging was produced, either to Peyper on the field and to the citing commissioner, who confirmed there was no case for the Crusaders to answer as the Bulls had not offered any evidence to support the on-field claims of Bulls players.
It is history now that on the back of eight successful penalties out of 10 shots at goal, Morne Steyne kicked the Bulls to a 32-30 victory.
Crusaders were unhappy with Peyper’s refereeing performance and demanded an apology from the Bulls for their offensive claims
We need some history to understand the implications behind the ditching of the neutral referee protocol.
In 2007 the South African officials were in control of the SANZAR refereeing appointments. They listed 10 front line referees, six of them South African. They also said that the practice of neutral referees would be dropped for pool round matches. They implied that for the finals the neutral referees system would be used.
In fact, local referees were used for some of the finals with Jonathan Kaplan refereeing the Bulls versus Chiefs final at Pretoria.
As someone has pointed out, how would the Bulls react if Bryce Lawrence had been appointed to referee the Crusaders versus Bulls qualifying finals match?
Now the referees appointments are controlled by the New Zealander Lyndon Bray out of Auckland. Unfortunately, he has continued with the practice of ignoring the well-established and long-standing practice of having neutral referees for the finals matches.
I have consistently argued that this is unfair to the referees themselves. They should never be exposed to unfair accusations from parochial and biased supporters. This, in turn, disturbs the notion that justice must not only be done but should be seen to be done.
This is an unacceptable stuff up on the part of SANZAR.
18 Jul 2012, 10:56 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-114:
what amazes me is the number of new zealnders who are agreeing with the article… of course they support other kiwi teams but heck… a real eye-opener…
18 Jul 2012, 10:58 am
Herewith the figures from the 2010/2011 tax year:
Personal income tax: R226.925 billion (33.7%)
Corporate income tax: R132.902 billion (19.7%)
Secondary tax on companies: R17.178 billion (2.5%)
Value Added Tax: R183.571 billion (27.2%)
Fuel levy: R34.418 billion (5.1%)
Customs duties: R26.637 billion (4.0%)
Specific excise duties: R22.968 billion (3.4%)
Other duties (includes transfer duties): R29.584 billion (4.4%)
18 Jul 2012, 10:58 am
@ufo(ufo)-109: we discussed a little last night already…
18 Jul 2012, 10:59 am
@Stawm(Stawm)-116: Stawn exactly.. Like them pointing out to a few whites still living in the past, the waterkoof four, the Bloem hostel debacle…No mention of the hundreds of deaths each year of farmers by the workers, or the rapes taking place in the suburbs on helpless stay at home moms?? No this must be fine cause its like a kind of justice to them…
18 Jul 2012, 11:00 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-124:
well you have to be patient with me… i am a little ‘slow’ after all…
18 Jul 2012, 11:02 am
@Stawm(Stawm)-116:
100% – Government must exercise its duties with the necessary diligence and care. There is no way around that.
In that regard we have to say that the Nats and ANC are doing a pretty poor job but we as South Africans voted them in, so in a sense we probably get what we deserve.
I’m not worried about Govt as I pay my taxes and really cannot control what they do.
Remember I cannot judge you as a person. But what I can tell you is that the individualistic consumerist lifestyle . I’m tempted to say why I say that but then I will drift into what some may regard as religious matters and out of respect for them I would rather not.
18 Jul 2012, 11:03 am
If anything think Kaplan could cost the Sharks on Saturday. I expect the 50/50 calls to go to the Reds. He always seems to go over board showing he is not biased when reffing a saffa side in Oz or Nz..
I personally would have liked a neutral ref for this game.
18 Jul 2012, 11:03 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-110: The gap continues to grow because money is being thrown at the ‘have-nots’ instead of skills.
I give of my time and skill, NOT my money.
In terms of financial assistance, the only charities I support are those focused on the protection of animals. Far more deserving than 99.9% of the human ones registered. (And government sadly gives them absolutely zero assistance)
If one wants to ‘uplift’ anything ‘human’ give of your time, and share your skills. Throwing money at the problem doesn’t help anyone.
My money, as said above is reserved for those who ARE neglected and ignored by most – the long suffering animals in this country.
18 Jul 2012, 11:04 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-127:
Get back to work and stop blathering here.
You cant decide if you talking politics economics or religion
Choose some other forum to vent your spleen
18 Jul 2012, 11:05 am
@ufo(ufo)-126:
18 Jul 2012, 11:05 am
@ufo(ufo)-122: The Sir Richie defenders were rather confrontational
18 Jul 2012, 11:08 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-129: another 100% agree!!
My wife an I give only to the Animal Charities… I feel the ruling Govt should look after his voters with my hard earned Tax money..
18 Jul 2012, 11:08 am
@Provvas(Provvas)-120:
I am against any form of exploitation and oppression, irrespective of colour. You are right: the whole of Africa has a terrible past of injustice and for that matter the world …
I am a Stormers supporter mate, but have not seen anything that suggest that they can win this thing. If we do I will be delighted but I’m a realist.
We can defend, but to win you have to attack and defend consistently. It’s harsh I know but it’s fair.
18 Jul 2012, 11:08 am
@Puma(Puma)-121: hiyas Puma brudda you well??
18 Jul 2012, 11:08 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-117: No it’s not just you. If I hear someone sing happy birthday one more time I am going to scream. The radio is also making me sick with all the Michael Jackson classics: “HEAL THE WORLD!” “WE ARE THE WORLD!”, “ANOTHER COUNTRY!” BLAH BLAH BLAH! Even giving people prizes for doing charity.
18 Jul 2012, 11:09 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-132:
i thought rugbyheaven was taking a virtual leaf out of keos book…
enough of the nice polite chitter chat…
and going for the ‘let’s get down and ready to RUUUUMBIIIILLLLL…!!!’
18 Jul 2012, 11:10 am
@Puma(Puma)-128: 100%, i dont trust Kaplan to be fair
18 Jul 2012, 11:12 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-129:
Do you remember the days when the farmer’s dog would sit in front of the Toyota bakkie and the worker at the back?
I agree it is challenging to just give money as we read about so many instances where people simply steal the money. You are my role model when you do these things (share your skills)
18 Jul 2012, 11:12 am
What time does the rugby talk start?
Or is this weekend’s rugby so insignificant?
18 Jul 2012, 11:14 am
@ufo(ufo)-137: hiyas UFO, that article is pretty much in line with what many have been saying in here for some time now
18 Jul 2012, 11:14 am
@Dawn(Dawn)-130:
I can do that but you will not be happy.
I can tell you miss me terribly when I don’t blog here regularly…
18 Jul 2012, 11:15 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-134: well then if you Support the Stormers at least there is hope.. hehehe Just joking!!
No I think they have actually a great chance at winning this thing!!
They have been playing semi’s rugby the whole season, So they need not change their gameplan.
If Grant can kick 3- 4 penalties, we score the customary try in the first half, we should have a decent score to Win a semi…..
Defense will win you semi’s, not risky stuff I believe!!
18 Jul 2012, 11:16 am
@Gumboots(Gumboots)-140: lol gummy , the okes are more there in the afternoon
thats the only reason some of us still come here
18 Jul 2012, 11:16 am
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-138:
Well if you had a choice between Mr Lawrence and Mr Kaplan which would be your choice?
He is South African and the only complaints should be coming from Oz and NZ as both are being officiated by SAFFA’s.
Concerned with the ref complaints and the game hasn’t even started. I think we should be happy that it is not Mr Jackson…
18 Jul 2012, 11:18 am
@ufo(ufo)-137: @ufo(ufo)-137: I enjoyed the comments there during the WC – some absolute pearlers.
18 Jul 2012, 11:21 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-129:
Ahhh teach a man to fish…
18 Jul 2012, 11:22 am
@Gumboots(Gumboots)-145: this is true but still
woulda been better having a NH ref lol
18 Jul 2012, 11:23 am
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-141:
hey SL…
yeah… lots of guys have always said it on keo… but strange to see something like this published on a kiwi website…
personally i don’t think it is the fault of the players or the crusaders… i think it is the fault of the referees and their ‘management’… lyndon bray and co should have been ensuring the integrity of the refs is beyond reproach…
but there is a certain arrogance among the refs circles in sanzar where they do things just to be otherwise… how many times doesn’t one team get the same ref for three of four matches in close succession… and other not at all…
surely appointing refs for the comp is not that complicated… get the game roster for the season… put all the refs names in a hat… pull them out for the initial order and then assign them games repeating the sequence throughout the season…
but as the article puma posted too… we really need to get neutral refs IMO… even if they are all from six countries…
18 Jul 2012, 11:24 am
@ufo(ufo)-149: yup i agree
18 Jul 2012, 11:25 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-146:
yeah… i try and read both stuff and smh rugbyheavens… to get a different perspective… and some NH sites too…
18 Jul 2012, 11:25 am
@Provvas(Provvas)-143:
There is merit in what you say but I want to see the complete game of rugby, some refer to it as ‘total rugby’
You may subscribe to an approach of offensive defence, but I want to see flair and creativity in taking opportunities that present themselves.
We marginalise ourselves when we declare about ourselves: we are great defensive unit
18 Jul 2012, 11:26 am
I can’t see the Bulls having enough to pip the Saders but do think the Sharks have a chance but it will not be easy. I hear the weather is not good either.
18 Jul 2012, 11:26 am
@ufo(ufo)-149: Other thing is who says the Saders and Richie dont have some behind the doors agreements with certain refs?? i would hate to think that is the case???
but there is smoke right now thats for sure
18 Jul 2012, 11:29 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-139: The bottom line is: this country has a sorrowful history fullstop. Nothing anyone can do about it now, so time wasted rehashing it, is time being stolen from building a future.
I don’t do history, I do the future.
So by all means give a man R30 000 and a piece of land – but make sure you give him the skill, back end support and self belief to actually make the money and the land work for him. Without those things, the cash and land is just what I hate – a handout.
Until we stop with handouts, and start with skills – I am very anti MOST initiatives.
Closing point in my little speech: I’m happy to give my time to the ‘have-nots’, and I’m happy to give my money to the animal charities.
18 Jul 2012, 11:34 am
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-154:
jaaa SL… guess it is possible as corruption is always possible in any sphere…
but i seriously think it is improbable…
as i said, i really don’t think anyone… richie, crusaders, refs, saffas, anyone… goes out to cheat… maybe they push gamesmanship to the limit… but it’s up to the refs to stamp it out… and that starts with the appointments of the refs…
it would be easier to simply NOT put refs in a position where they can be accused of bias or cheating… appointing saffa refs for games of this magnitude is very shortsighted to me… if there are any mistakes… (and refs are human and make mistakes too… some more than others) instead of just being accepted as a mistake it will be labelled cheating and and blown out of all proportion…
i keep saying if only the games will be controversy free… but the referees management have already ensured they will be controversial…
very shortsighted…
IMO
18 Jul 2012, 11:36 am
That Germanic ethnic group and whites of British descent in SA need to understand that the cozy economic situation that they currently find themselves in will not continue indefinitely.They also need a reality check that economic freedom has not been attained yet and that the struggle to achieve that will continue whether they like it or not.
18 Jul 2012, 11:38 am
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-138: Very well thanks.
Yeah for sure. I would rather we had a neutral ref. Kaplan has not been great with the Shark to be honest.
Read my post 121. See the Aussies are not very happy about the refs for this weekend either.
18 Jul 2012, 11:39 am
later
18 Jul 2012, 11:42 am
@Puma(Puma)-158: have done so boet
18 Jul 2012, 11:43 am
@ufo(ufo)-156: Howzit ufo, hope we well bud.
I personally don’t agree having two saffa refs for these games. You are very right if the refs make mistakes and that happens in every game, the refs will be to blame who wins.
Daft to have this reffing system really. Spiro wrote a scathing article about it.
Kaplan usually over does it by trying not to be biased when reffing a saffa side aboard. If anything it will be very tough having Kaplan reffing this game. I would rather we had neutral refs.
18 Jul 2012, 11:45 am
@stormerforlife1(stormerforlife1)-157:
good to see you are doing your bit.
on your “eu” passport.
poodlefucker.
18 Jul 2012, 11:46 am
@ufo(ufo)-109:
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-114:
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-115:
cannot stand this farking team at all !
cannot stand them when they’re at the blacks
truth is that article goes nowhere near enough to telling it like it is about them.
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-123:
ok, thanks
18 Jul 2012, 11:48 am
@stormerforlife1(stormerforlife1)-157: I think many people do understand that. My personal feeling towards the whole ‘economic freedom’ argument, is that TRUE economic freedom will not come from handouts – but from education, skills training and support.
The ‘haves’ must be prepared to give their time (it’s a lot harder than giving money….)
The ‘have nots’ must be prepared to accept skills training and support in the same ‘happy’ way that they would accept money. (A piece of land is worth 30k; Skills and the means to support yourself: Priceless)
@ufo(ufo)-156: There will be controversy this weekend – I am more certain of that than what I am of the outcomes.
18 Jul 2012, 11:49 am
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-160: Your feeling for our game?
18 Jul 2012, 11:49 am
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-162: Is there a cricket link on this site?
18 Jul 2012, 11:51 am
Oh yes,I am supporting various worthwhile charities doing sterling work in Stormersboy’s subsidized poor communities.
18 Jul 2012, 11:52 am
@stormerforlife1(stormerforlife1)-157:“There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.” ? Warren Buffett
18 Jul 2012, 11:53 am
@Puma(Puma)-165: mixed emotions boet, Reds never easy, and even though the last 5 matches went our way it was always very close, and before that they seemed to be our bogey side
and also some of the most boring matches were played between us and them
18 Jul 2012, 11:55 am
@Puma(Puma)-121: I forgot about how Peyper skrewed over the Saders in Pretoria.
18 Jul 2012, 11:55 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-166: no, keo stopped doing cricket.
18 Jul 2012, 11:55 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-166:
No.
We make our own.
Feel free to hijack any thread and talk about it.
It drives Captain Cunteye quite insane.
Very excited but the weather will probably have its way.
18 Jul 2012, 11:56 am
Does the recurring use of the word “impede” in the article indicate Cardinelli is specifically referring to deliberate infringements?
18 Jul 2012, 11:56 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-155:
I understand your point of view.
The only time when the giving to animals becomes a problem to me is in the following instance:
Say you have someone who comes in 1x a week to wash your clothes, clean your flat/house and maybe do a bit of ironing. It’s SA, this is a reality we have here. Now some people will pay Gladys (for lack of a better alt) say R70 as oppose to say R100 which may be more reasonable.
In this case Butch the dog at the SPCA now gets that Gladys’ R30; I say give Gladys R100 and Butch R20.
‘Love thy neighbour’to my mind refers 1st to Gladys and then to Butch if you get my point
18 Jul 2012, 11:57 am
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-170: Yes have to agree, think he got it wrong there too.
Should be neutral refs for these games Rossi.
18 Jul 2012, 11:59 am
@trupisero(trupisero)-168:
When it comes to class Capo is a “have not”.
@stormerforlife1(stormerforlife1)-167:
shelters for abused poodles?
talk about poacher turned game keeper.
18 Jul 2012, 12:01 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-154: What about the fact that the Bulls never lose a game when Marius Jonker is blowing the whistle. Ever!
18 Jul 2012, 12:03 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-170:
tell me more lilly my angel.
18 Jul 2012, 12:03 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-172: @Transformation(Transformation)-171:
Thanks. As long as there will be some discussion on the matter at hand
All threads are cricket threads – check.
Did you see this little classic from old Boycott? ““Graeme Swann is a superb bowler … much better than Tahir. I wouldn’t lose any sleep if I were playing Imran Tahir, and I’m 70.”
I love the old fecker – he has a home here in CT.
18 Jul 2012, 12:04 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-169: Not gonna be easy. All the last few games for us were pressure games, kinda like knock out rugby. Also in those games we had to get the 4 tries to go through. I feel we must carry on and play the attacking game as if we have to get the 4 tries to go through. Need to play the game like we done against the Bulls. Feel if we go conservative and play it tight, we could lose.
Hope Bissie is okay too. He limped off near the end. Without him think we will struggle.
18 Jul 2012, 12:04 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-177: i agree thus my call for nuetral refs
18 Jul 2012, 12:05 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-154:
tmo to referee: ‘you may award the try’
larf
18 Jul 2012, 12:06 pm
Gladys and Butch
18 Jul 2012, 12:09 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-179:
Luck he didn’t start talking about playing him with a stick of rhubarb.
He has a place in Pearl Valley.
He also has a golf swing that reminds me of a stabbed meerkat.
Swann is probably the better bowler.
But the difference is not as big as Fiery makes out.
I would love to see Tahir take the Poms apart on a crumbling 5th day pitch.
18 Jul 2012, 12:16 pm
Sharks Team announced
Beast
Bis
Jannie
Alberts
Bresler
Keegan c
Coetzee
Kanko
Mcloed
Fred
Mvovo
Whitehead
Jordaan
JP
Ludik
Burden, Herbst, Sykes, Botes, Reinach, Bosman, Odwa.
Quite a strong team that.
18 Jul 2012, 12:17 pm
Tahir is way averrated.Boycott is absolutely correct.Tahir got carted around by two teenage Somerset batters.Enough said.
18 Jul 2012, 12:18 pm
@galileo, roundness, union, coach…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-182: lol
18 Jul 2012, 12:18 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-183:
Also, it is advisable to stop the following practice:
Stop saying ‘ The maid’ or in Afrikaans ‘ Die bediende’
For example: I will leave the key with the maid and you can just pick from her
Stop that. Say I will leave it with Gladys (fill in yours’ name); if they say who’s Gladys? Say ‘it’s the lady who helps us once a week and so on’
Stop making yourself sound like some colonial and get with prog; this is what we call SOCIAL JUSTICE
(*** Throughout this example the assumption is that Gladys is white ***)
18 Jul 2012, 12:19 pm
@John Galt(John Galt)-185: Brilliant. Alberts to start, just what I was hoping for. Sure at lock but that is okay.
Great team that. If we can’t win with that starting team then I don’t know…lol.
GO SHARKS!
18 Jul 2012, 12:20 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-187: Sharks team announced. Check post 185.
18 Jul 2012, 12:21 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-188:
Why? Shes the Maid.
If maid was such a bad word it wouldnt be used anywhere in the world.
And then absolute classics like Maid in Manhatten would never have been maid(sic)
18 Jul 2012, 12:21 pm
Jordaan starting too. Great to have him back.
18 Jul 2012, 12:21 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-184: If it’s going to rain the 1st three days as predicted (typical), how much cricket are we going to see…
Might be a blessing in disguise though – as we are a little undercooked (however good the preparation was). Ease in slowly and hold out….., although I’m probably just being a pessimist.
Thoughts on our possible line-up? Drop Tahir due to the weather forecasts or keep him?
18 Jul 2012, 12:22 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-53:
He wants your age so that he can discredit your argument by attacking your “credibility”. It doesn’t matter whether you are young or old.
Fact of the matter is that throughout history, in all countries and continents a particular group has always had power over another. Often there was no racial difference, sometimes language, sometimes religion, sometimes none of those things and it was purely the group who had been the historical nobility that held the advantage. People identify with groups and use that to their advantage when they can. It being race in SA is not more or less wrong than any other factor. It certainly does not imbued Sheriff with some righteous moral high ground. Only handwringing white liberals fall for that rubbish.
Those historical disparities are not corrected by poppy-**** moral appeals like Sheriff makes. Is he seriously asking you to give up resources to the detriment of your children? In a country where you have no power and where the very laws handicap their future? He is as delusional as my 101 year old grandmother.
The only solution is for the state to properly execute its mandate which is the delivery of municipal services, law & order and the creation of an environment to encourage top-drawer school and tertiary education. Because in practice whites are already “returning” resources. We pay more tax than we receive from the government in services. Blacks receive more and pay in less.
However, the government is not executing its primary responsibilities. So instead of Sheriff bemoaning the government’s failure he clearly shows his racial bias by wanting the whites to “return resources” in addition to the tax disparity. Moving a few assets around won’t help anything if the basic conditions of a successful country are absent. Clearly he doesn’t care. It is about getting his revenge or whatever. And preaching of course. But he can fly a kite. No one is returning resources en masse and if it is done by force he will reap terrible hardship for his group. It has been proven time and time again throughout Africa.
I mean, why is this idiot even bringing this up here on a rugby blog?
18 Jul 2012, 12:22 pm
@John Galt(John Galt)-185: exactly the same as i posted on here last monday, i am getting good at this lol
yeah good team under circumstances
18 Jul 2012, 12:23 pm
@stormerforlife1(stormerforlife1)-186: You would go with an all out pace attack and Duminy for this test? The weather also being taken into account?
18 Jul 2012, 12:24 pm
@John Galt(John Galt)-185: Also we never had Kanko when we played them at the Tank. So doubt they will have it all their own way in the lineouts.
18 Jul 2012, 12:24 pm
@Puma(Puma)-192: lol i told rob this would be the team
well he also had this to start with but his bench had 2 locks
I’ll have to tell him i am the new expert
18 Jul 2012, 12:25 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-195:
Yep, considering injuries and restrictions, this is the best possible 22 Plum could have picked.
18 Jul 2012, 12:26 pm
@John Galt(John Galt)-199: agree boet
18 Jul 2012, 12:27 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-193:
exactly.
I would keep tahir keep his confidence up.
de lange is injured.
albie next in line which is not ideal for test cricket.
under gary there seems ro be a determination to stick with a spinner as much as possible.
given that it will probably be a draw he’ll get some handy middle time.
18 Jul 2012, 12:27 pm
@Puma(Puma)-197:
Its been a very different Kanko running out the last few weeks.
He’s been truly phenominal for the Sharks in all facets of play.
18 Jul 2012, 12:27 pm
@John Galt(John Galt)-191:
John I want you to stop it; if you were talking to me- instead of elevating you in my mind you would have moved a few notches down
(See people say that to boost their social status)
Who taught you to speak like that?
18 Jul 2012, 12:28 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-203:
The Pocket Oxford Dictionary.
Its a word, and not a derogatory one.
18 Jul 2012, 12:30 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-195: Freddie needs to have a cracker. Lambie started at fh the last time we played them.
If our scrum and lineouts work like it done against the Bulls we will be sorted. No reason for it not to be.
18 Jul 2012, 12:31 pm
If rain is predicted for the first three days then the Oval pitch won’t probably be a true fifth day pitch. Duminy is adequate enough to provide a bit of spin.The Oval responsible for one of cricket’s most classical one liners:Devon Malcolm’s ‘You are history’
18 Jul 2012, 12:33 pm
@John Galt(John Galt)-202: Agree. One of our stand out players in the last two games.
18 Jul 2012, 12:33 pm
@Puma(Puma)-205: true, i have faith in freddy, he has had a very good season
18 Jul 2012, 12:35 pm
@STBUR(STBUR)-194:
I nearly missed this response, I’m glad I did not.
I told him why I want his age. I see you’ve taken the indirect route to respond to me.
I think the only idiot here would be you as you think I said let’s give handouts. I nearly typed the previous sentence halfway/incomplete as I sense it is pointless to discuss with you. It seems that we’re dealing here with ignorance and arrogance layer upon layer.
18 Jul 2012, 12:37 pm
Duminy is playing anyway.
We better pary Swann pulls a hammy in the warm up.
18 Jul 2012, 12:38 pm
@John Galt(John Galt)-204:
I feel I’ve done enough.
Next time when you say ‘the maid’ you will remember that Sheriff said that you must stop. That will suffice for now.
18 Jul 2012, 12:41 pm
I believe that the battle for world supremacy will be won by who of the magnificent fast bowling attacks performs on the day.Spin will play a role but ultimately it will come down to those fast boys.Great attacks yes,but they will never come close to the Fearsome Foursome of Roberts,Marshall,Holding and Garner.
18 Jul 2012, 12:41 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-210: lets rather pray
18 Jul 2012, 12:43 pm
Where’s the fcken Lions thread?
18 Jul 2012, 12:43 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-211: what must he say ? “home executive”?
18 Jul 2012, 12:43 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-211:
Wrong.
My boss doesnt refer to me by my name when talking to others, he refers to me by my job description.
People need to let go of all this time wasting political politeness, its creating issues where there arent any.
18 Jul 2012, 12:44 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-214:
The ‘whose’ thread?
18 Jul 2012, 12:45 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-214:
The Lion Kings?
18 Jul 2012, 12:45 pm
Indeed.
Maid is so passé.
Domestic Executive is the way forward.
Or Home Sanitation Consultant.
It’s a brave new world baby.
18 Jul 2012, 12:47 pm
yes. bring back neutral refs – for every game. no argument.
the question – who would be this good guy for bloggers here?.Kiwis/Aussies here by default are labelled plonkers at best, if not cheats outright, so skip them. Europeans? I would gladly know the one who has been involved in reffing Saffa side and not being lambasted. Clancy? Rolland? White? Poite? Owens? Lewis? Barnes? They all have got their share. Especially when Boks lose which happens quite often.
Who then?
18 Jul 2012, 12:50 pm
Pray indeed.
I think Capo has infiltrated my keyboard.
Next thing I will be visiting Poodle Parlour sites.
The shame.
18 Jul 2012, 12:50 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-219:
18 Jul 2012, 12:51 pm
@Nils(Nils)-220:
Nils who knows, its a pity the credibility of refs is not good at this mo
18 Jul 2012, 12:52 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-201: Gary does seem to be reluctant to go in without a spinner – if his time in India has taught him anything, it is the value of having a wicket taking spinner around. Part timers can do a decent enough holding job when required – but attacking spinners win tests. It is helluva refreshing from a Saffa perspective – Thank you India, thank you consequence (someone sang that – Alannis possibly..)
@stormerforlife1(stormerforlife1)-212: I don’t think any of us (age dependent of course) will see a pace attack like that in our lifetimes.
18 Jul 2012, 12:52 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-221: lol
18 Jul 2012, 12:55 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-224:
look, we fucked around with paul harris etc for years.
now that we have a decent spinner let’s give him every opporunity.
unless it’s a snake pit.
like I said, the injury of de lange will have made the decision easier.
18 Jul 2012, 12:56 pm
awe, test
18 Jul 2012, 13:00 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-223: i agree and it concerns all refs, at least the ones we see on regular basis.
on the other hand, i imagine how farken hard is this job to follow 30 naughty and quick men usually obscured in the pile for 80+ minutes, while hundreds of thousands are watching and many of them always unhappy. i feel even for jonker.
18 Jul 2012, 13:01 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-215:
I think the person who throws your ‘onderbroek’ in the washing machine deserves to be called by her name
It is already patronising to call her by her English name and not Ntombizodwa (her real name) ; that is if you prefer to have a Zulu speaking helper
18 Jul 2012, 13:02 pm
@Stawm(Stawm)-216:
Does your boss call you a ‘resource’ ?
I know we are human resources but that word just does not resonate with me
18 Jul 2012, 13:03 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-203: I have a housekeeper – that is what is on all contracts, SARS records, UIF records and the like.
I call her by her 1st name, and she calls me by mine.
I am paying for her children’s tertiary education and I have given her the gift of study as well (Dressmaking courses and a Catering course – BOTH of which she uses to earn additional income in the home industry she has set up. She also employs four ladies full time, and they do their thing for HER, when she is working for me. Indirectly, these 4 ladies have also benefited from S’s studies)
So to sum it up once more:
My housekeeper ‘S’ get’s to study and do what she wants with the knowledge she gains….she chose to make extra money.
Butch at the SPCA is still getting all my cash handouts – because unlike ‘S’, Butch can’t go and study or learn a new skill to improve his lot in life – he is stuck in a cage, totally dependent on people like me.
18 Jul 2012, 13:04 pm
@capetown(capetown)-227: Your first time?
18 Jul 2012, 13:05 pm
Kiwis not happy.Sharkievarkies not happy.I guess that makes Mr.Kaplan very neutral.
18 Jul 2012, 13:05 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-226: You call Paul Harris a spinner? Ok…………
Get what you’re saying – let’s see what happens, but don’t leave anything to chance – keep praying re: Swann.
18 Jul 2012, 13:06 pm
@Nils(Nils)-228: boet maybe 2 refs is the answer
18 Jul 2012, 13:08 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-231:
I would quit whilst you are behind.
You will end up gnawing your arm off in frustration.
Sharif has no point.
At all.
18 Jul 2012, 13:09 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-235: the question will remain – who to pair. bryce and marius to have mutual neutralizing effect?
18 Jul 2012, 13:11 pm
Check out this email i received this morning: (honestly)
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To partake in this investment program. kindly download the attached form, fill in the required information and send it to the information below:
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Attached is a very nice PDF form asking for all sorts of personal info including bank account details and such. It has the springbok logo on it and all.
Sheriff, Felix is waiting for your call.
Come on. You know you want too.
Something for nothing…..
Disclaimer: I’m not an idiot and I hope you aren’t one too. Don’t say I didn’t warn you…..
18 Jul 2012, 13:16 pm
@Nils(Nils)-237:
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-238: lol hiyas bro, there was a thing in the press and radio regarding this fool trying to make like he is working for SARU etc
18 Jul 2012, 13:16 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-238:
18 Jul 2012, 13:17 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-238: I have read about these con artists a while ago, strange that police have not tracked them yet.
18 Jul 2012, 13:17 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-231:
Good on ya! I don’t think anyone can find fault with that, not even Sheriff.
I do see where he’s coming from though. You must remember that the word “maid”, anglicised in afrikaans as “meid” means something totally different and not something nice as well.
18 Jul 2012, 13:18 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-231:
Every time I want to reply to you by saying ‘Sheila’ or ‘Nancy’ or “Helena’ or something but I’m left with this very long nick.
I take my hat off to you and I mean it sincerely. Thank you for what you are doing; there are many others who similar things and these are people who don’t do it to be applauded. They simply do it from the goodness of their hearts.
See there must be people like me as well who speak about these things on a rugby blog.
There are bloggers on here like Ranger and WPTID who are not only astute and seasoned bloggers but thinking people as well. WPTID for example offers up his private to fight crime in //Hui!Gaeb (CT) and is involved with a soup kitchen – these people are my heroes
Others need people like me to sensitise them to the real world and not as seen through the eyes of a young ambitious white man; it is to engage and not to offend
18 Jul 2012, 13:18 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-238: Hey you must be part of the select group , i didnt get one
18 Jul 2012, 13:18 pm
@Nils(Nils)-241: @stormersboy(stormersboy)-238:
The reason you still see things like this is because there are some who still fall for it.
Simple human greed sometimes trumps common sense, and these con artists feed on greed.
18 Jul 2012, 13:19 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-238:
sheez I’d like a piece of that.
was it offered to you personally or can I get in on a piece of that action?
18 Jul 2012, 13:19 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-238: Thanks a lot. You’ve just blown my scheme out the water.
18 Jul 2012, 13:19 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-243:
Leave me out of this, I don’t need recognition!
18 Jul 2012, 13:19 pm
I am not saying that Tahir is not a good spinner but at the moment he is trying way too hard to impress.He doesn’t possess the one great thing a spinner should possess … and that is ‘patience’ .The great spinners like Warney would ,over for over,bowl the same ball ,and suddenly,with a slight adjustment ,bowl the unexpected delivery that gets their man.He needs to vary his pace of deliveries and just stop to try and bowl different balls in one over.
18 Jul 2012, 13:20 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-238: lol they also scam restuarants making like they are SARU officials
18 Jul 2012, 13:21 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-238:
Are you Mr Felix Mkhize?
I will be contacting you shortly then…
18 Jul 2012, 13:21 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-240: MAybe this okes employed at Investec
18 Jul 2012, 13:21 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-238:
Wow! What a great deal – BBBEE entrepscameleur… They all have such lovely call names…
18 Jul 2012, 13:21 pm
@TooMuchRugby(TooMuchRugby)-242: Very true.
18 Jul 2012, 13:22 pm
Oh Welcome CapeTown!!!
18 Jul 2012, 13:22 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-247:
18 Jul 2012, 13:24 pm
Too think some people fall for that….its sad really.
18 Jul 2012, 13:24 pm
This is just typical of a lazy sod who is taking the easy road to earn his keep, working is not his thing
18 Jul 2012, 13:25 pm
As they say:
Crime doesn’t pay, BUT the hours are good…
18 Jul 2012, 13:27 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-243: I didn’t post that for any glory or thanks. I just wanted to show you that my philosophy RE: ‘economic freedom’ also has a valid and legitimate place amongst the various other philosophies that encourage mass redistribution of wealth.
Education, time and skill above throwing $$$$ wins in my book every time
(Butch at the SPCA still gets the $$$$$$$$$$$$ though)
18 Jul 2012, 13:33 pm
@stormerforlife1(stormerforlife1)-249: Warne was another freak of sporting nature.
I still laugh if I think back to some of Darryl Cullinans’ dismissals at the ‘hands and ball of Warne’.
Darryl KNEW what was coming back in the day, he KNEW it – in fact he could have counted down the deliveries to his dismissal delivery to a ’5th ball of the 45th over’ but he would still be ‘flippered’ like a toddler.
Then came that blank look…….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlyG5wnW7I0
18 Jul 2012, 13:33 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-211:
Imo, its cultural differences – neither being right nor wrong, just different
“White” culture is very much focussed around the “3M’s” – Me, My & Material. Can be seen in simply everyday life:
* Narrower family units and approaches to the family unit e.g. smaller family units itself, elderly sent to old aged homes so children can continue with “their” lives, etc
* Greater focus on individual rights and priveleges
* Cultural celebrations e.g. weddings are smaller affairs with the hosts carrying all the costs and invitees strictly controlled
* Lesser spiritual focus with greater material focus
In contrast some other communities within South Africa take a more communal and dare i say even spiritual approach to life:
* Larger family units with strong focus on responsibilty towards looking after parents (eldery homes are taboo)
* Greater focus on group / community achievements – broad network amongst the community
* Larger communal celebrations – e.g weddings are large, the community all contributes,invites are pretty much open
* Greater spiritual focus
So when approaching the less priveledged, the former (“white”), based on their culturual views would see the notion of sharing with the lesser priviledged as being a handout, entitlement, etc. Some understandings are difficult to comprehend:
* Vast difference between working hard from a solid home and relatively educated parents vs working hard from a rusty shack and uneducated parents
* Having to share a portion of one’s material wealth as to serve a broader purpose or ideal
Conversely, the latter cultural groups, see’s greater importance in sharing of one’s material wealth in the name of broad upliftment. Its core part of their and their communities ethic. So would not view your views as being handout, entitlement, etc
Neither is wrong me friend, just different
18 Jul 2012, 13:37 pm
I have respect for people like Pedigree that do their bit in the empowerment of the poor through their generosity.I call that social responsibility.They probably also go on holidays or weekends to places like Arniston etc etc,but unlike certain people on keo they don’t boast about it.We need more people who wants to correct social injustices and less of the ones that believe in their own self-worth,status and belonging to exclusive clubs like the over 180thousand club.
18 Jul 2012, 13:39 pm
@stormerforlife1(stormerforlife1)-263: Tell us more about your EU passport and your Eurotravel?
18 Jul 2012, 13:50 pm
On the Day of Mandela’s birthday we need to take time out of our busy schedules…for some …and not so busy for others…and really have a good look at our inner self and question our contribution to make this country a better place.
18 Jul 2012, 13:56 pm
speaking of refs… from news24
Ex Boks complete IRB course
Cape Town – Eight former Springboks, all of them part of the South African Rugby Legends Association (SARLA) successfully completed the BokSmart Rugby Safety course and attended an IRB Level 2 Coaching workshop in Cape Town this week.
New SARLA CEO Stefan Terblanche, Dale Santon, Pieter Muller, Adrian Jacobs, Quinton Davids, McNeil Hendricks, Wayne Julies and Norman Jordaan were among a large group of former professional rugby players that completed the South African Rugby Union’s (SARU) rugby safety programme on Tuesday.
According to Dr Wayne Viljoen, BokSmart Manager at SARU, these former players have a significant role to play in their communities to ensure the game becomes safer.
“People look up to Springbok rugby players and they are the ones that set examples in their communities, which is why we’re very happy that they have taken time out from their busy schedules to complete the BokSmart course,” said Viljoen.
“Through their involvement with SARLA, they also play a very important development role in South African rugby, which is where we would like to see them implement what they’ve learned at the course.
“Rugby safety is something that affects all of us from the young kids playing barefoot up to Springbok level and it’s very important that the right techniques and actions are learnt from a young age.”
A total of 22 former Springboks and provincial players attended the IRB Level 2 RPL (Recognition for Prior Learning) workshop at DHL Newlands on Wednesday.
The workshop is a joint venture between SARU’s Coaching Development Department and SARLA to start a process to accredit former national and provincial players who want to pursue a career in coaching. This will be the first in a series of RPL workshops to accredit former players and experienced coaches.
According to Terblanche, who recently retired from the game after playing in 37 Tests for South Africa and more than 400 First Class matches for Boland, the Sharks, Ulster and Ulster, ploughing back into rugby is vitally important to grow the game.
“BokSmart is something anyone involved in rugby – be it as a top level player, coach, referee or a serious supporter – should get behind,” said Terblanche.
“As former Springboks, we take rugby safety very seriously, and therefore have all taken the time to get ourselves BokSmart certified accordingly. There should be no excuses for anyone involved in rugby or coaching at any level not to complete the BokSmart course. Rugby has given most of us so much over many years and it’s time we gave back to the game we all love so much.”
Former provincial players that joined the eight ex-Boks on both courses include Andries Human, Clarke Roberts, David Hendricks, Faiek Hendricks, Fareed Theunissen, Trevor Arendse and Eugene Maqwelana.
Well done to these guys…!
18 Jul 2012, 13:57 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-251:
So guys you think it was a bad idea that I filled in the form and emailed it to him then??
18 Jul 2012, 14:03 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-245:
I see you offered up your private to fight crime??
18 Jul 2012, 14:04 pm
speaking of Madiba’s birthday…
i just hope on saturday when the sharks and bulls say they’re ‘doing it for Madiba…’
that they don’t think they must just play for 67 minutes…!!
18 Jul 2012, 14:05 pm
So anyone who wants in on the action just drop me a mail at theresoneborneveryminute@gmail.com and I’ll hook you up mmmmkay??
18 Jul 2012, 14:09 pm
I don’t know what you trying to get at Pussycat,but I am not biting.
. You can go and humor Skoppie for all I care.I had a civilized chat with Victoriabok ,so let us rather leave it at that.Unlike you,you are of no interest to me.
18 Jul 2012, 14:11 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-270:
You’ve got mail.
I’ve cashed in my provident fund, this is too good an opportunity to pass up!
18 Jul 2012, 14:13 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-272:
I’m telling you bru, we’re gonna be riiiiiiiiiiiiich!!!!!
18 Jul 2012, 14:13 pm
Capo with his Parisian weekends.
The poodle capital of the world.
I think it’s time to sell my flat there if he’s going to be making a regular thing of it.
Bound to affect property prices.
18 Jul 2012, 14:15 pm
hi guys what time is the sharks reds game on sat?
18 Jul 2012, 14:16 pm
@capetown(capetown)-262:
First time posters are only allowed two lines
18 Jul 2012, 14:17 pm
Wptid is offering up his privates to fight crime?
That won’t end well.
18 Jul 2012, 14:18 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-275:
11:40
18 Jul 2012, 14:19 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-277:
According to Sheriff, that’s what he does!
18 Jul 2012, 14:20 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-260:
Well then Butch is a lucky fish
18 Jul 2012, 14:20 pm
@capetown(capetown)-262:
And no socio-philosophical-political-marxist discourses.
You earn that right after 2500 posts.
18 Jul 2012, 14:20 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-277:
Umkhonto we Sizwe.
18 Jul 2012, 14:21 pm
Sharif spends too much time in Woolies.
It is affecting his tenuous grip on reality.
18 Jul 2012, 14:22 pm
@stormerforlife1(stormerforlife1)-271: Get lost, capo. Your sanctimonious rant about “certain bloggers” boasting about their holidays flies in the face of your very own boasts here about your French trip.
18 Jul 2012, 14:23 pm
Heading home time Ranger.
18 Jul 2012, 14:23 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-283:
Indeed
Those burgers didn’t get there without the help of the lumpen proletariat.
Neither did those pizza ingredients.
18 Jul 2012, 14:25 pm
@ufo(ufo)-278: thanks bud
18 Jul 2012, 14:28 pm
@stormerforlife1(stormerforlife1)-271:
Lets sort one thing out
When are you leaving
18 Jul 2012, 14:29 pm
update on the St Francis Bay U.F.O.s (unidentified found objects = previously thought to be whales)
NSRI: 4 of 5 containers found washed ashore.
Wednesday, 18th July, MRCC (Maritime Rescue Coordination Centre) confirmed that in total five containers, one of which was found washed ashore near to the Gamtoos River Mouth yesterday, were washed off the deck of the Chinese Ship Anguan Gjing, sailing from Durban to Nigeria, over the past weekend in heavy sea storms, between Port Elizabeth and St Francis Bay.
The containers were reportedly lost overboard the ship over a period of a few days over this past weekends heavy sea swells.
Maritime navigational safety warnings were broadcast by Maritime Radio Services warning of the navigational hazard to shipping in that vicinity.
Today, Wednesday, 18th July, Police located a further three containers, two washed up in the same vicinity as the one from yesterday and one has washed up near to St Francis Bay.
The outstanding one container is either still adrift at sea or it may have washed ashore on a remote location and may not have been discovered yet.
MRCC has confirmed that all 5 containers are empty and present no environmental or health risk (it may be suspected that normal sea water could have now leaked into the containers).
No decisions have been taken yet by Maritime authorities on the salvage of the containers which are in remote areas on barely accessible stretches of coastline.
18 Jul 2012, 14:29 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-245: greed, gullibility or just plain ignorance…take the young lady who called on metrofm yesterday
she started a catering business and got her cv/company profile all around, these so-called “businessmen” called her up wanting to use her services for a function, she gave them a quote according to their brief, they deposited more money than she’d quoted (cheque), she realises this and looks to rectify it and transfers the excess and gets ‘tooken’ as the cheque bounces…just basics of banking that are lacking and now she’s taken 3 steps back…
18 Jul 2012, 14:30 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-287:
sure thing ranger…
keep a sharp eye out for those sneaky 6x2m containers…!!
18 Jul 2012, 14:30 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-282:
I never called you a konto.
18 Jul 2012, 14:32 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-286:
What concerns me is the burgers.
You can take the man out of the roadhouse…
18 Jul 2012, 14:34 pm
@capetown(capetown)-262:
It is much more exciting to take a particular point of view and then substantiate your opinion.
If we follow this line of thinking everything is relative ie there’s no right or wrong; for example to commit a crime or not is all ok, it really depends on the person’s preference
It sounds balanced but in reality its not
18 Jul 2012, 14:36 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-293: Ah yes, Sharif McHendriks. Or Big Mac, to his penpals.
18 Jul 2012, 14:43 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-295:
The Sultan of Halaal.
18 Jul 2012, 14:45 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-281:
Go back a looong time Dawn
To the days of Poephol Piet, Groot Blou Smiley (with those irratating he, he, he’s) and that mother of all battles that led to Sheriff’s awakening
18 Jul 2012, 14:46 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-294: are any of your laaities into rugby? i kept watching the blue bulls grant khomo team thinking i’ll see lawman’s tyke running in blue….
18 Jul 2012, 14:48 pm
It’s a pity I have matters to attend to here
I would have loved to make these gangsters ‘swak’, albeit virtually
18 Jul 2012, 14:49 pm
@capetown(capetown)-297: hehehe “sheriff’s awakening” from being a house n……..?
18 Jul 2012, 14:53 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-298:
Mate, not at all.
They watch it a bit with me, but all of them are 100% into soccer. But you’re not far out, eldest was selected for Northerns u/13 squad and has good potential but we will see… (if you dont mind me saying so
It’s actually a pity because I think he would have been a good 10 or 12
I had to catch up fast – the wake up call was when my then 4 yr old pointed out that Steven Gerard (sp?) was a soccer player and I was unaware of that at the time
18 Jul 2012, 14:53 pm
Ahhh Pietman.
Sharif’s Obi Wan Kenobi.
Teach me master for I have much to learn.
18 Jul 2012, 14:55 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-294:
Its not wrong to have a self focussed life view based on Me, My and Material. these are the cultural differences of the world which makes us human.
Its for you to choose how you live your life and with whom you share energies
Both ways, each view comes with its own set of “pro’s” and “cons” which one must be willing to make peace with
18 Jul 2012, 14:56 pm
would never bet against the reds on home soil.
Genia running around the big Natal forwards will be the danger for the banana boys
18 Jul 2012, 14:57 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-300:
lets not go there
GBS and Piettie were very hurt by Sheriffs emancipation
18 Jul 2012, 15:02 pm
@capetown(capetown)-305: i’m quite aware of the “hurt”, GBS even said he would show me the barrel of his gun if we were to ever meet…
18 Jul 2012, 15:07 pm
Anyone read Sheriffs writings on voelmyhoring.com?
18 Jul 2012, 15:09 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-306:
Sometimes think Dusky is Piettie’s son. Recall Pittie mentioning he had a son in Scandanavian regions and Dusky’s opinions also sound like he could be piettie’s son. That same sh*t of back in the day greatness, the country is now burning, whites must run for the hills, etc
18 Jul 2012, 15:11 pm
@capetown(capetown)-308: Dusky challenged me to a tattoo duel. Ink at dawn type of thing.
18 Jul 2012, 15:12 pm
@Gumboots(Gumboots)-307: No ways. Can’t be the same guy
Voelmyhoring publishes X-kreni’s excrement…….
18 Jul 2012, 15:13 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-309: dusky challenges everyone, mostly to fist fights in shopping mall parking lots!
he says he does MMA.
18 Jul 2012, 15:14 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-310:
Go read on Page 2! Good larf… I go there for my monthly entertainment and larf…
I con you not!!!
18 Jul 2012, 15:17 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-310:
You’d be surprised what goes on here!
18 Jul 2012, 15:18 pm
The Reds are considering launching an 11th-hour appeal against Quade Cooper’s one-match suspension in a desperate bid to have the playmaker available for Saturday’s Super Rugby qualifier against the Sharks.
Cooper was rubbed out for a week on Monday after judicial officer Paul Tully found him guilty of a high tackle on Waratahs star Berrick Barnes following a marathon hearing.
The Reds have been talking up their ability to win without their enigmatic playmaker ever since the decision was handed down, indicating they would not appeal the decision.
However, a statement released on Wednesday confirmed the Queensland Rugby Union are ‘seriously considering’ fighting the ruling.
“We are obviously particularly sensitive to not disrupting the Reds team dynamics and preparation in launching an appeal at this late stage, however by not receiving the formal judgement until 8pm Tuesday after the decision was handed down on Monday evening, time is getting away from us in what was already a short preparation,” QRU Chairman Rod McCall said.
“Under the current SANZAR protocols if we were to launch an appeal we would lose at least a further day of preparation with (coach) Ewen (McKenzie) and Quade who would both be required to fly to Sydney for another hearing.
“However we are cognisant of the need to support our player if we feel he has been treated harshly and in our opinion we still strongly believe the tackle did not warrant suspension.
“After taking the advice of legal representatives, the QRU first intends to discuss the matter further with SANZAR before making a decision whether to launch an appeal within the allowed 48-hour period.”
Cooper is risking a three-week ban if he appeals and loses.
18 Jul 2012, 15:19 pm
@Gumboots(Gumboots)-312: Will check out the Sheriffs contribution now. I have read some of X-kreni’s kak on there, and it is beaten ONLY by some of the kak that is written here
@Transformation(Transformation)-311: Hahahahaha, I guessed as much. The way he was almost begging me to question him about his physique etc etc.
18 Jul 2012, 15:19 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-311:
Dusky weighs 48kg
No problem
18 Jul 2012, 15:21 pm
@capetown(capetown)-308:
So you are from back in the day.
Carry on
18 Jul 2012, 15:21 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-315:
Read in instalments though! A good larf…
18 Jul 2012, 15:22 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-317:
I’m also trying to figure out who it is! Loosehead???
18 Jul 2012, 15:24 pm
@grant10(grant100)-15:
In madibas book he talks aboit being forced into military action since the minority government would not listen. How do we sleep when our beds are burning…..sure anc hurt people but the government at the time were hurting the masses.
18 Jul 2012, 15:24 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-313:
After reading all about Fern’s ‘alleged’ sexcapades – nothing surprises me (giggling smiley – dunno how to put one up)
18 Jul 2012, 15:26 pm
why not simply come back using your old nic…?
18 Jul 2012, 15:27 pm
I read about this voelmyhoring stuff on here a few days ago and thought you guys are just messing around.Obviously I was wrong.
18 Jul 2012, 15:27 pm
@ufo(ufo)-322:
These multinics!!!
18 Jul 2012, 15:30 pm
@stormerforlife1(stormerforlife1)-323:
Pink can do funny things!!!
18 Jul 2012, 15:30 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-311:
the problem with that approach to life is that somewhere along the line you run into ‘the other guy’ who challenges everyone to fistfights in shopping mall parking lots…
who also say he does mma…
and then it gets interesting
there’s always a guy who’ll fark you up, just like there’s always a guy who you’ll fark up
its one of those strange laws of physics
like every action having an equal and opposite reaction
but i suppose if you want to prove yourself as a backyard breker then you have to take your chances
if you want to be the best you have to beat the best
18 Jul 2012, 15:33 pm
@galileo, roundness, union, coach…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-326: he may know MMA but I know Glock.
18 Jul 2012, 15:33 pm
@Gumboots(Gumboots)-324:
yeah… i just don’t get it… not knocking people who do it… i simply don’t understand it…
been using ufo (not spelt out) since the mid-90s when CNN world sport had blogs up for soccer and rugby and other sports…
used it on here since keo started too…
why keep changing…?
each to their own i guess…
18 Jul 2012, 15:36 pm
@ufo(ufo)-328: Ja I’ve never felt the need to change my nic either. But then I’ve never had to feel embarrassed by something I’ve posted (like you).
18 Jul 2012, 15:36 pm
@ufo(ufo)-328:
I suppose people get yellow carded and come back as someone else…
18 Jul 2012, 15:37 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-327:
hehe
well that would settle the argument
18 Jul 2012, 15:37 pm
@Gumboots(Gumboots)-330: Skop and Capo.
Masters of re-invention.
18 Jul 2012, 15:39 pm
@ufo(ufo)-328:
always think you know better, hey…
18 Jul 2012, 15:40 pm
@and the 2012 super rugby champions are…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-333:
18 Jul 2012, 15:42 pm
@Gumboots(Gumboots)-334:
#guesswho’ssupportersarethemostwindgat
18 Jul 2012, 15:43 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-316: Guns on the other hand, what does he way?
18 Jul 2012, 15:43 pm
Funny old place Keo, a discusion about maids, we have not had those in England since WWII.
18 Jul 2012, 15:43 pm
@and the 2012 super rugby champions are…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-335: Sharks??
I’m going with Sharks.
18 Jul 2012, 15:44 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-336:
Guns weighs more than Vin Diesel and it’s all muscle
18 Jul 2012, 15:44 pm
Indeed.
Stormerforawife has had more nicks than Mshlozi has bambinos.
Fuckadilly gets an honorable mention.
18 Jul 2012, 15:44 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-329:
you’re way more rational than me bud…
there have been things i’ve regretted saying… but have apologized taken the hits and got on with it…
i enjoy the history of nics you get to know… always feel a little miffed when it’s obvious you’ve chatted to someone before and they either pretend you haven’t or won’t tell you… just a lot let confusing for the ‘slow’ ones like me…
@Gumboots(Gumboots)-330:
yeah… but skop is perhaps the most banned guy here… but he never pretends to be someone else… so for all our differences i admire him for sticking to his nokias…
anyway guess it keeps it interesting…
18 Jul 2012, 15:44 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-338:
18 Jul 2012, 15:45 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-340:
he does indeed…
18 Jul 2012, 15:45 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-336: No way!
How much??
18 Jul 2012, 15:45 pm
@carol(carol)-337: Carol,
Thank you for your email and your recommendations.
I shall endeavour to tick off every location on that list!!
18 Jul 2012, 15:46 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-338:
#ihavenodoubtyouarerightsmiley#
18 Jul 2012, 15:46 pm
Why come back as capetown of all bloody things
18 Jul 2012, 15:47 pm
@galileo, roundness, union, coach…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-326: lmao @ “backyard breker” :mrgreen” Dusky says he is unfuckwithable.
18 Jul 2012, 15:48 pm
@ufo(ufo)-341: Skop is instantly recognizable.
Capo on the other hand stay undercover for at least a few days until he shows his true colors. But show them he always does.
As for the rest, I try and take it post by post.
Regardless of who they are.
18 Jul 2012, 15:48 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-344: tl tl tl i’ll i’ll ask dawn on our weigh to Fireman’s
18 Jul 2012, 15:48 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-348:
Pfft
Dusky is putty in Pedigree’s hands
18 Jul 2012, 15:48 pm
@ufo(ufo)-341:
There is no way skop could hide his identity. Just p iss on his battery and then you have no doubt…
18 Jul 2012, 15:49 pm
@and the 2012 super rugby champions are…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-333:
sheesh… getting touchy with the big game coming up…
18 Jul 2012, 15:49 pm
@Gumboots(Gumboots)-352:
true
18 Jul 2012, 15:50 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-339: jeepers, fuckingLean Muscle Mass!
18 Jul 2012, 15:51 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-355:
Guns is the master of the workout
Abs scrunches deadweights lunges you name it he does it
Even has a vid on youtube
18 Jul 2012, 15:52 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-349:
yeah me too…
but it helps to understand when someone you apparently don’t now is choosing you skwiff…
18 Jul 2012, 15:52 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-332:
Skop has opened more e-mail accounts than I’ve opened bank accounts.
18 Jul 2012, 15:52 pm
@Gumboots(Gumboots)-352: the saying “p iss on his battery” where is its genesis?
18 Jul 2012, 15:52 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-348:
hehe
i am sure he probably is
i’ve known some backyard brekers who really lived the dream…
very unfuckwithable
18 Jul 2012, 15:53 pm
@ufo(ufo)-357:
flipping autocorrect…
but it helps to understand when someone you apparently don’t know is chooning you skwiff…
18 Jul 2012, 15:53 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-358:
18 Jul 2012, 15:54 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-356: like Spies?
18 Jul 2012, 15:55 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-358:
Capitalist pig
18 Jul 2012, 15:56 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-363:
Naaah
Guns is the real deal
He describe it fully in great detail. In that jumpy bumpy way he got.
18 Jul 2012, 15:56 pm
http://blogs.sport24.co.za/hanjooveres/2012/07/18/crusaders-serial-cheats/
18 Jul 2012, 15:56 pm
Time for a break.Need to do some hard work if I want to keep my position in the majestical over 180thou club although I probably don’t qualify for it.cheers
18 Jul 2012, 15:56 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-358: geez & the nics he comes up with asshampoolampoo, louis shropnel
18 Jul 2012, 15:56 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-359:
I give up – tell me?
18 Jul 2012, 15:57 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-359:
Not sure but I do know that scientists in Singapore developed a credit card-sized battery that is activated by bio-fluids – e.g., urine.
You just unzip, drizzle, and it produces about 1.5 volts for an hour and a half. Not a lot, but it’s a start.
18 Jul 2012, 15:57 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-364:
Oink oink.
18 Jul 2012, 15:58 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-368:
Ja he has to keep a good record of them. Used, used, used, used, used, …
18 Jul 2012, 15:59 pm
@ufo(ufo)-353:
oh,
though you were chooning me skeef
@Transformation(Transformation)-363:
always naughty, transie
18 Jul 2012, 15:59 pm
Chat later…
18 Jul 2012, 15:59 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-370: p!ssing on someone’s battery…..
who would have thunk it…..
18 Jul 2012, 16:00 pm
@and the 2012 super rugby champions are…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-373:
though = thought
18 Jul 2012, 16:00 pm
@Gumboots(Gumboots)-374:
cheers boots
18 Jul 2012, 16:00 pm
@and the 2012 super rugby champions are…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-373:
never could i ever choon galileo anything but strayt…
18 Jul 2012, 16:01 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-370: Can you imagine if you have an unfortunate short-out. The visual has me “lol”-ing as i type.
18 Jul 2012, 16:01 pm
@Gumboots(Gumboots)-374:
cheers bill
18 Jul 2012, 16:02 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-356: Who is Guns?
18 Jul 2012, 16:03 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-358: offshore?
18 Jul 2012, 16:04 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-365: check out mydoublebicep.com
Guys I train with.
I’m not on there though.
18 Jul 2012, 16:05 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-379:
The implications have far-reaching effects, especially in a country like South Africa that is short on power generation but high on population.
It could solve our unemployment problem in a heartbeat and will create a massive new market for caffeine.
I am told Eskom and Nescafe have already formed an exploratory JV…
18 Jul 2012, 16:06 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-349: yeah you only read every 50th post of mine
18 Jul 2012, 16:07 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-384: he he he can you imagine??
Hold on, i have to wee on my battery, my phone is going dead…….click…..
18 Jul 2012, 16:08 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-382:
Who would’ve thunk it that WikitillIdie has bank accounts in the Camans and Barbados.
@Atreides(Atreides)-381:
One of the less insane Sharks supporters who only seems to come on at weekends after his gym sessions. Lekker guy. Duracell bunny.
18 Jul 2012, 16:09 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-311: Hey kontgesig – I admitted to being a petite, 48 kg IT nerd. So either go play in the middle of the N1 (my personal preference) or go swimming with your imaginary Norwegian friends and dont address me or mention my name in any of your posts. Ok ?
18 Jul 2012, 16:10 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-385: Wll there’s only so many Paul Jordaan and Coetzee posts a Stormers fan can take!
18 Jul 2012, 16:10 pm
Feck me.
Say its name and it will appear.
18 Jul 2012, 16:10 pm
Cooper tweets no appeal.
Just knew that would be laid to rest. Not even sure if he is a big loss or not. Cooper never played against the Sharks at the Tank. Reds were at one stage 17/0 up against my Sharks that game.
Well at least Sharks know now he will not be playing this Saturday.
18 Jul 2012, 16:11 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-384:
nescafe? you’ve lost your biggest market/energy source right there
better to pursue the ricoffy, koffiehuis drinkers instead
18 Jul 2012, 16:11 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-387: Yeah mon!
You can never have enough bank accounts
18 Jul 2012, 16:13 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-370: hahahahahah frikken hell!!!!
@
Gumboots(Gumboots)-369: i don’t know bro, i wasn’t being a smartass.
18 Jul 2012, 16:14 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-393:
I’ll look out for him on the Crime & Investigation network
18 Jul 2012, 16:16 pm
What is Wiki drinking at work
I want some of it
18 Jul 2012, 16:16 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-395: Is it on the Parliament channel??
18 Jul 2012, 16:16 pm
@ufo(ufo)-378:
you are a sly funny guy, ufo
very sly
18 Jul 2012, 16:17 pm
@Dusky(Dusky)-388: or what. you will come moer me?
18 Jul 2012, 16:18 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-396: They have those Nescafe vending machines. And a nice subsidized canteen.
Back in my day when i worked there we had Mr Delivery. For our own account of course.
18 Jul 2012, 16:18 pm
Just found out that they haven’t selected a SA Schools team after Craven Week but selected a 50 man squad and these players will have to go through trials before the team is cut down to 22.
Out of the 50: Bulls – 15, WP – 8, Lions – 6 and Sharks – 4.
18 Jul 2012, 16:19 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-370:
Interesting.
Now all we need is a battery that runs off hot air and Captain Cunteye will solve South Africa’s energy crisis.
18 Jul 2012, 16:20 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-399: No – obviously not because even though I am a 48kg nerd, neither you nor any of your fucken big mouthed buddies on here are prepared to give me any contact details.
If you choose to draw my attention to you, dont go running off to the webbie on here when you cop abuse from me. No racism cries and the such – Got it ?
18 Jul 2012, 16:21 pm
@Jeraldjay(Jeraldjay)-401:
Sounds about right.
I await the inevitable hungerstrike from the stormer fans here.
18 Jul 2012, 16:23 pm
@Dusky(Dusky)-403: you are threatening me with racial abuse? bwahahahahahahahahahaha
18 Jul 2012, 16:23 pm
@Dusky(Dusky)-403:
I am brave.
I will give you contact details.
18 Jul 2012, 16:25 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-405: No dimwit – but its typical for you to resort to that assumption. Just ignore me and I will ignore you. Trust me – you dont want to be associated with me.
18 Jul 2012, 16:26 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-406: Yes – I would imagine that you probably would
18 Jul 2012, 16:26 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-404:
Out of WP’s 8, there are 6 players of coloured and the Bulls have only 5 out of the 15.
Count on WP to always make up the numbers
18 Jul 2012, 16:26 pm
@Dusky(Dusky)-407: Oh f#$K – now he is going to go digging up all the old posts….
18 Jul 2012, 16:27 pm
@Jeraldjay(Jeraldjay)-401:
now tell us how this make you feel..?.
18 Jul 2012, 16:30 pm
@Dusky(Dusky)-408:
Would it be social, or purely for brawling purposes?
Cos I can organise someone for a fight
18 Jul 2012, 16:30 pm
@wait for it, wait for it…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-411:
Makes me feel confused because I don’t understand why the Bulls are poaching WP’s young talent when they obviously have them in abundance.
18 Jul 2012, 16:32 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-400:
Wptid just charges his Mr Delivery to Rael’s account.
18 Jul 2012, 16:32 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-400:
Judging by the prices we now pay, the canteen is definitely no longer subsidised.
18 Jul 2012, 16:33 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-414:
It gets delivered to us in brown paper bags…
18 Jul 2012, 16:34 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-412: Would you like a fight or a social ? I am sure you can organize someone. Lots of guys volunteered to fight Kimbo Slice.
18 Jul 2012, 16:35 pm
@Jeraldjay(Jeraldjay)-409:
But you have a greater supply of cullarts.
It’s not fair.
18 Jul 2012, 16:36 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-415:
How many bank accounts do you have ………..
18 Jul 2012, 16:37 pm
@Dusky(Dusky)-407: Wow i actually felt a cold shudder there and you weren’t even talking to me!!!! The interwebs is a scary place. You’re good! Are you like a colombian drug lord’s hitman? That’s awesome!
18 Jul 2012, 16:37 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-419:
Two.
18 Jul 2012, 16:37 pm
@Dusky(Dusky)-417:
I’m up for both.
18 Jul 2012, 16:37 pm
@Jeraldjay(Jeraldjay)-413:
maybe wp is not prepared to pay the boys?
this isn’t 1980 anymore.
short of supplying some number and facts i think its debatable which union has the most young talent. the bok team is made up mostly of sharks… one can infer anything from that.
the same for the fact 15 of the provisional squad for the sa schools being bulls.
perhaps once wittled down we’ll get an alltogether different picture?
18 Jul 2012, 16:37 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-414:
Flippin raining at the Oval. Predicting rain for 2 of the 5 days.
18 Jul 2012, 16:38 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-414: hahaha holiha as you would say.
Rael strikes me more as a “cash” kind of guy.
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-415: Inflation at work in front of your very eyes.
I’d be protesting. At Friday afternoon drinks.
18 Jul 2012, 16:39 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-419:
Where are these accounts held …………………………
Countries please
18 Jul 2012, 16:40 pm
@Atreides(Atreides)-420:
Dont mess with Dusky
18 Jul 2012, 16:40 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-426: The republic of Hout Bay and the DA led Republic of the Western Cape.
18 Jul 2012, 16:41 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-418: hi jimmy
18 Jul 2012, 16:41 pm
@Jeraldjay(Jeraldjay)-424: FFS! We need clear weather in order to spank those orrible Poms
18 Jul 2012, 16:42 pm
@Jeraldjay(Jeraldjay)-424:
That’s not a bad thing.
A short series like this we don’t want to get coldcocked in the first test.
Win the toss.
Field.
Have a gentle workout.
Move forward to the second test.
18 Jul 2012, 16:42 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-422:
Are we going to drink G&Ts on your balcony ? After or before the fight ?
18 Jul 2012, 16:42 pm
@Atreides(Atreides)-420: eish, keyboard warrior aplenty…
18 Jul 2012, 16:43 pm
Babetikosweti??
18 Jul 2012, 16:43 pm
If it rains on Mud Island … WTF are we going to watch
18 Jul 2012, 16:43 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-428:
Bobsave
@Transformation(Transformation)-429:
Indeed.
Where is the duplicitous f.ucker when you need him?
I thought he was going to be replaced.
18 Jul 2012, 16:44 pm
@Atreides(Atreides)-420:
Perfectly peaceful dude. There are just some on here that bring out the worst in me. Plus, haven’t you seen the multiple postings – I am a tiny, weak little nerd. Like all Sharks fans apparently. At least according to gaylord.
18 Jul 2012, 16:45 pm
@Dusky(Dusky)-432:
G&T. Blerrrgh.
I drink Famous Grouse, but dont tell anyone cos I’ll hear about it for the next gazillion posts.
And I always drink after a fight.
18 Jul 2012, 16:45 pm
@Dusky(Dusky)-417:
i followed that guy’s story when he got big.
he was a ok’ish to decent boxer but came up short in mma rules type fights.
i think he beat a few mediocre fighter but also lost one or two fights to mediocre opposition. one of them was to a boston cop i remember.
still, his backyard boxing was pretty entertaining.
18 Jul 2012, 16:45 pm
I see according to most of the votes the Sharks will beat the Reds this coming weekend.
18 Jul 2012, 16:46 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-431:
Or pull a Hansie and each team declare for 1 in the 1st innings.
Wonder how much he made on that deal.
18 Jul 2012, 16:46 pm
Bobsave!
18 Jul 2012, 16:47 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-438: usually with me it’s the drinking that usually starts the fighting….
18 Jul 2012, 16:48 pm
@Jeraldjay(Jeraldjay)-441:
A leather jacket, a scratched Breitling and all the Kudu Billies he could eat.
18 Jul 2012, 16:49 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-436:
18 Jul 2012, 16:49 pm
@wait for it, wait for it…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-439: Kimbo was always going to struggle against anyone with any kind of technique. But when it comes to a bare knuckle bar room brawl, trust me buddy – you dont want him on the other team. I had a buddy that sent two bouncers at a Durban nightclub to hospital and if the cops hadn’t have arrived – there may have been a need for one or two more ambulances. Lots of guys think they can just like those two bouncers did…..
18 Jul 2012, 16:49 pm
@Pee Wee(Pee Wee)-440: And ?
18 Jul 2012, 16:51 pm
@Pee Wee(Pee Wee)-440:
ja,
348 chops voted for the sharks & crusaders as qualifier winners
would love it for the bulls to go through but do want the sharks to win too.
18 Jul 2012, 16:51 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-443:
Indeed.
You are a nightmare after your second bottle of Autumn Crackling.
18 Jul 2012, 16:51 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-438: Oh damn…I cant drink whiskey…the last time I got wasted on Jack the evening didn’t end very well.
I stick to a couple of beers. Thats about it. You got beers ?
18 Jul 2012, 16:52 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-443:
It’s hard to hold back if they put ice in your single malt, isn’t it…
18 Jul 2012, 16:52 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-449:
Ma moer vir pa wyn….
18 Jul 2012, 16:53 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-449: Unplayable!
18 Jul 2012, 16:54 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-444:
18 Jul 2012, 16:54 pm
@Dusky(Dusky)-450:
Ahem.
Jack is not whiskey. The Irish would kill you for such a statement.
It’s Bourbon.
18 Jul 2012, 16:54 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-451: Actually I;m a brandy guy when it comes to spirits.
Met eish.
The trouble starts when the barman pours coke into it.
18 Jul 2012, 16:55 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-456:
I enjoy a snifter of Klipdrift Gold from time to time…
18 Jul 2012, 16:55 pm
@Dusky(Dusky)-450: what beer do they sell in Norway, Stella Artois?
18 Jul 2012, 16:56 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-457: @WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-457: very pleasant. KWV vintage is great too, as is any of the good cognacs of course, which is my first preference.
It just seems too pretentious to say cognac first.
18 Jul 2012, 16:57 pm
Jack is rubbish.
Beers can be organised.
No wonder you had hangover.
18 Jul 2012, 16:57 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-459:
I assumed you were referring to cognac, yes
18 Jul 2012, 16:57 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-458: In the UK they call that beer wifebeaters.
18 Jul 2012, 16:58 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-455: Ahem, and the folks at the Jack Daniels distillery would lynch you….it is not classified as a Bourbon – it is whiskey.
18 Jul 2012, 16:58 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-461: Ah.
Good man.
18 Jul 2012, 16:58 pm
Larney’s!!!
I drink Paarl Perle and Oom Tas! I say class is in the bottle anyway…
18 Jul 2012, 16:58 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-458: They don’t sell Black Label.
18 Jul 2012, 16:58 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-459:
Indeed you are pretentious cullart.
18 Jul 2012, 16:59 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-462: perfect for Dusky then.
18 Jul 2012, 17:00 pm
Wait till Extraball gets here with his Pinotage
18 Jul 2012, 17:00 pm
The wine for men who enjoy being men – Virginia…
18 Jul 2012, 17:00 pm
@Dusky(Dusky)-463:
I see what you did there – Lynchburg, Tennessee.
Well, strictly speaking it should be classified as a straight bourbon, but you are correct in that Jack Daniels refuses to be classified as such and calls itself a Tennessee whiskey.
So I’ll concede to you on this one…
18 Jul 2012, 17:01 pm
WPTID, have you tried KWV’s Imoya VSOP.
Only brandy I’ll drink.
18 Jul 2012, 17:01 pm
@Gumboots(Gumboots)-465:
I’ve had some fantastic Tassenbergs. It’s like playing a lottery, sometimes it’s atrocious, sometimes it’s really good for the price…
18 Jul 2012, 17:02 pm
@Gumboots(Gumboots)-470:
Hahahaha, I can hear the radio jingle now.
Virginia. Wine for men who enjoy being men.
What a classic, came in a nice big 5-litre bottle version as well if I’m not mistaken…
18 Jul 2012, 17:03 pm
@Jeraldjay(Jeraldjay)-472:
No, not yet.
18 Jul 2012, 17:03 pm
Red Heart, me hearties, Red heart!
18 Jul 2012, 17:03 pm
Sour mash.
Four trade purposes it’s bourbon.
But it’s made differently.
18 Jul 2012, 17:03 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-471: Don’t concede to me. Present yourself in Lynchburg, and apologize……carefully…….Tennessee is one of those states that you drive through very fast if you dont ‘belong’ or ‘match the scenery’.
Sort of similar to Alabama. A good idea would be to put a sticker of a confederate flag on your car if you are doing that trip.
18 Jul 2012, 17:04 pm
@Dusky(Dusky)-463: Sourmash isn’t it?
18 Jul 2012, 17:04 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-473:
That is all I could afford at Varsity mate! It had a killer punch I say… Tassenberg was very classy…
18 Jul 2012, 17:06 pm
In any event, give me a good Islay malt anyday.
Especially if it’s Lagavulin, Ardbeg or Laphroaig.
18 Jul 2012, 17:06 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-474: You can buy pretty decent wine in Milan or Paris in 2 liter bottles, sealed with a bottle cap. So, the whole pomp and bullshit around wine is created by a few self satisfied people with delusions of grandeur in my opinion. Its grapes made into alcohol.
18 Jul 2012, 17:06 pm
this obviously the highfuckingfalutin society right here
what with salary caps of R500,000 PA and PAYE Bills of R29,000 pm
The high society welfare donors club
Paarl Nedeberg , Shiraz , Jackshit Daniels and the rest
I’m most definitely in the wrong environment this ain’t my turf… no fckng way…
18 Jul 2012, 17:07 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-459:
Calvados.
One up on Cognac.
18 Jul 2012, 17:07 pm
@Gumboots(Gumboots)-470: LOL i remember that ad from back in the day……
18 Jul 2012, 17:07 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-474:
Yep with a little glass finger handle type of thing. Ja the advert was classic…
18 Jul 2012, 17:08 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-481: Too much peat for me. Tastes like TCP.
18 Jul 2012, 17:08 pm
@Dusky(Dusky)-482:
Nothing like a 5-litre papsak, then…
18 Jul 2012, 17:08 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-479: Dude, I know zilch about whiskey. Don’t ask me. I just know I was told very clearly once that Jack Daniels is whiskey and not bourbon. Don’t know why they would care – the Americans dont usually give a damn what anyone else thinks of them – they would call is p!ss if they wanted to – which is why I like them so much.
18 Jul 2012, 17:09 pm
@Stawm(Stawm)-476:
Ahhh Red Heart. Expat Aussies will pay anything to get their hands on a bottle or 12.
18 Jul 2012, 17:09 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-484: I’ll mail you my address. You can send it collect I don’t mind
18 Jul 2012, 17:10 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-487:
I love the intense peatiness and robust, smoky aftertaste.
Lagavulin 16-year-old is still the most popular single malt at Bascule, I’m told.
18 Jul 2012, 17:10 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-488: If it tastes ok – then yes. Nothing wrong. I have drank very expensive French champagne in my time and it tasted like kak. I would rather have had a glass of ice cold JC Le Roux.
18 Jul 2012, 17:10 pm
@fitz1ella(fitz1ella)-483:
We on the same page Skop!
I used to think Investec was a gym and Alan Grey a gambler…
18 Jul 2012, 17:10 pm
@fitz1ella(fitz1ella)-483:
Quite right.
You should be perusing Nissan 1400 donate parts on Gumtree.
Cheers.
18 Jul 2012, 17:11 pm
The rule of thumb, when it comes to whisky, is to avoid the stuff with numbers in the name. First Watch, Three Ships, 100 Pipers…
18 Jul 2012, 17:11 pm
@Gumboots(Gumboots)-494:
Johannes Kerkorrel used to say that a brothel is a gym with a liquor license…
18 Jul 2012, 17:12 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-496:
Well, Three Ships Premium Select Five-Year-Old was judged as the world’s best blended whiskey at an international whiskey festival.
Yes, in the world.
Amazing achievement by them.
18 Jul 2012, 17:13 pm
@Gumboots(Gumboots)-480: In my days at Stellenbosch at the old Dros, you could have a good night with R5: R1,50 times 2 (2 quarts of beer) + 1 bottle of Tassies (R2)!! I had some very good Tassies in my days (some bad ones as well)!!
18 Jul 2012, 17:13 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-495:
18 Jul 2012, 17:13 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-492:
Indeed.
I used to love Lagavulin.
Now you can by it everywhere and bankers and real estate agents are drinking it.
A shame really.
18 Jul 2012, 17:14 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-498:
Awarded World’s Best Blended Whisky at the annual Whisky Magazine World Whisky Awards a few months ago.
18 Jul 2012, 17:15 pm
@Dusky(Dusky)-489: John Daniels is labeled as Tennessee Whiskey. Technically it is a Bourbon but only Bourbon produced in Kentucky can be called bourbon mostly. Jim Beam is a true Bourbon. Even though it’s made the same way as John Daniels.
Like Champagne. We make it here, it’s pretty much the same stuff but we can’t call it that.
18 Jul 2012, 17:15 pm
@CharlesM(CharlesM)-499:
You right mate! Some very bad days yes…
18 Jul 2012, 17:17 pm
@Jeraldjay(Jeraldjay)-490:
Really, its not available there?
18 Jul 2012, 17:18 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-503:
John?
Jacks brother?
18 Jul 2012, 17:19 pm
@wait for it, wait for it…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-439: He was a **** boxer, had two punches in his arsenal. Useful if you’re a bouncer who needs to intimidate students and drunks, but everyone he fought who was any good whipped him (I think he had 2 or 3 wins against cans, but that was it)
18 Jul 2012, 17:19 pm
@Stawm(Stawm)-506:
18 Jul 2012, 17:19 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-492: If it’s grain spirits then I’m more of a “bourbon” guy than a Scotch/Irish/Japanese drinker. Takes the edge off that bitterness.
That and some Appletiser.
18 Jul 2012, 17:20 pm
@Dusky(Dusky)-478: Or paint “I hate Nascar” on the side like the Top gear dudes did lol
18 Jul 2012, 17:21 pm
@Jeraldjay(Jeraldjay)-490:
They have Bundaberg.
Best rum in the world.
Apart from Mount *** from Barbados.
18 Jul 2012, 17:22 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-509:
I find a very mellow, aged joint takes the edge off anything!
18 Jul 2012, 17:22 pm
@Stawm(Stawm)-505:
No Red Heart is not available there.
Bundaberg is their rum of choice.
18 Jul 2012, 17:22 pm
@Stawm(Stawm)-506: “He may be Jack to you son, but if you’ve known him as long as i have you get to call him John.”
Scent of a Woman. Lt Col Frank Slade ( Al Pacino)…..
18 Jul 2012, 17:23 pm
@Stawm(Stawm)-512: Malawi Gold 5 Year-Old
18 Jul 2012, 17:23 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-501: Yea but do they enjoy it?
18 Jul 2012, 17:25 pm
Right – someone is getting fired today. Tired of this now.
18 Jul 2012, 17:25 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-515: he he he…Malawi Gold….oh the memories….:-)
18 Jul 2012, 17:25 pm
Unless they drink it neat, Rum “connoisseurs” set my bullshit detector off. Along with 5 parts Coca Cola, who cares what side of the slope the sugar cane was grown?
18 Jul 2012, 17:25 pm
wine, brandy, whiskey, beer, bourbon, schnapps, tequila, cane, vodka and Guatemala tea, fermented rotten grapes, wheat, barley, hops, cane
catch a load of these snob noses, they drown themselves in alcohol as if its a man made exotic flight of exclusive fantasy.. meanwhile its legalized drug addiction and they wanna make it into an extravagant escapade of high society activity..
then they wanna pretend they are the moral custodians of civilization, when back at the bourbon ranch they nothing but a bunch of sophisticated savages getting high (or low) on grog…
18 Jul 2012, 17:26 pm
@Jeraldjay(Jeraldjay)-513:
Those poor ba st ar ds!
18 Jul 2012, 17:26 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-514:
Careful, you might get our resident Al Pacino groupie going!!!
18 Jul 2012, 17:26 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-511:
Nice Gunth. We definitely on the same page when it comes to rum.
Mount G ay is the best. Brought a bottle back and kept it for a while but then all resistance crumbled.
18 Jul 2012, 17:27 pm
@fitz1ella(fitz1ella)-520: Not all that different to your highfalutin snobbery when it comes to specific types of cable-knit sweaters.
18 Jul 2012, 17:27 pm
@Dusky(Dusky)-518:
If you’ve got memories of Malawi Gold, it wasnt Malawi Gold!
jk
18 Jul 2012, 17:28 pm
@Stawm(Stawm)-522: Who is that?
Whoo-ah
18 Jul 2012, 17:28 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-519:
Who said anything about connoisseurs? I find it goes well with our local majat, and can even compliment a healthy Malawi Trumpet.
18 Jul 2012, 17:29 pm
@Stawm(Stawm)-525:
True. For a participant of the leaf of wisdom, I have a surprisingly good memory. I do have a mate though that can remember hardly anything from those years 
18 Jul 2012, 17:30 pm
@fitz1ella(fitz1ella)-520:
I’m sure you have a turnip in your Eco larder that needs smoking.
You are interrupting an interesting discussion with your childish tantrums.
Be gone now before you ruin another pair of y fronts.
18 Jul 2012, 17:30 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-526:
HOOHA
BOOM
I love da ladies!
He should be here soon, as soon as his bus drops him off after a hard days work in the mall.
18 Jul 2012, 17:31 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-515:
Haven’t seen a cob in ages.
18 Jul 2012, 17:32 pm
@Stawm(Stawm)-527: Hey, I’m as fond of a little rum as the next man. I just refuse to believe that anyone drinks it with anything other than a lot of coke or a lot of fruit juice. Unless we’re talking some kind of transparent Bacardi-like tart fuel, in which case they should be posting on some Top Billing fan site and not here.
18 Jul 2012, 17:32 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-495: you the kind of schmuck that thinks by drowning your fck’d head in fermented barley you suddenly civilized…. check you fckups exchanging snob nosed sophisticated addiction labels
if its got a sophisticated snob nose label it makes it less of an obnoxious fucked up drug, so what you driving a Bentley or a Piccadilly Picanto while you sip down your 20% alcohol schnapps…
18 Jul 2012, 17:32 pm
Stormerboy is the biggest scent of a woman fan here.
He even walks around sniffing his fingers all day.
18 Jul 2012, 17:33 pm
@Stawm(Stawm)-530:
Night shift at Coin Security…
18 Jul 2012, 17:35 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-534:
18 Jul 2012, 17:35 pm
@Jeraldjay(Jeraldjay)-531: Wrapped in mielie leaf, tied with string and left to mature until the first two puffs makes you forget your surname and question your once-solid belief in gravity.
18 Jul 2012, 17:35 pm
@fitz1ella(fitz1ella)-533:
Leave my Piccanto out of this.
Nobody asked you what you thought.
Now fuckoff to Keo’s organic Viagra thread and leave your betters to it.
18 Jul 2012, 17:36 pm
in mozambique we sometimes drink tipo tinto rum.
aweful sh i t.
usually its a one night only thing.
we drink it with rasberry cola.
a rum and rasberry.
an RnR.
awful
i long for an RnR.
18 Jul 2012, 17:38 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-537:
18 Jul 2012, 17:39 pm
@fitz1ella(fitz1ella)-533: Who are you to talk? With the state of your Nissan 1400’s petrol tank, the short drive from the Fishoek Shoprite back to the Sun Valley Home for the Infirm leaves you as shitfaced as anyone here after half a bottle of bourbon.
18 Jul 2012, 17:39 pm
@Dusky(Dusky)-528:
I considered myself quite an expert in my day! Now I know I am!
Anyway, once had a lil something in a coffee shop in ADam called Pop Eyes. Thought I was strong enough. Been there and done it, you know. I couldnt get off my seat for about 3 hours. Couldnt even turn my face to look at whoever was talking to me.
All I remember well is a never ending rendition of “Iron Lion of Zion”.
18 Jul 2012, 17:40 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-534: hahahaha sieeeees!
(Looking around nervously)…..
18 Jul 2012, 17:42 pm
@Stawm(Stawm)-530: You sharpshootin’ me, punk? Is that what you’re doin’? Don’t you sharpshoot me! You’ll give me forty. Then you’re gonna give me forty more. Then you’re gonna pull K.P., the grease pit! I’ll rub your NOSE in enlisted men’s CRUD till you don’t know WHICH END IS UP! YOU UNDERSTAND?
sigh. Good times.
18 Jul 2012, 17:43 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-539: FERNANDO’S!!!!!! Holy hell, some of the nights at that place…..eish….No I’m craving an Rn’R too damn you
18 Jul 2012, 17:44 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-541: Viskoek is a dry town boet. Ou doosie lives there with all the other fiossils and no bottlestores cos he WANTS to, god help him
18 Jul 2012, 17:58 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-532:
In New Orleans their main cocktail is a Hurricane – made with 151 Rum. Strong as f&^&.
Its all about the buz, not the taste.
Beer for taste then beer buz.
18 Jul 2012, 18:01 pm
@Atreides(Atreides)-546:
Something tells me that our resident Blowhard hasn’t always been do dry.
Which is why he has tucked himself away from temptation.
18 Jul 2012, 18:03 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-548: Ol’ Crazy Heart.
18 Jul 2012, 18:04 pm
@Stawm(Stawm)-547: Correct, and what a pleasant buzz it is. If it’s good enough for the people of Trinidad and Tobago, it’s good enough for the katman.
Also got some Takamaka Bay rum from the Seychelles, which does the job nicely.
18 Jul 2012, 18:04 pm
who said anything about wanting to anything..?
Vishoek is a neat little ou doos seaside village as decent as anywhere else, and if arseholes want or need to get motherless believe me there are plenty avenues and facilities where they do so as good or bad as the next town up the drag.
schmucks like these wanna snob nose it around town about whether one drive a Nissan or a Picanto or a Porsche shows who and what they made of.. they reckon the wheels you drive or the grog you drink defines your level of sophistication or civilization trend
Its outright bullshit .. all you morons bullshitting yourselves you enjoying getting motherless on fermented grog with fanciful expensive labels…. its legalized drug addiction and nothing more beyond that..
18 Jul 2012, 18:10 pm
@Atreides(Atreides)-545: bud, that place will kill you.
seriously.
18 Jul 2012, 18:14 pm
@fitz1ella(fitz1ella)-551: why do you care so much snoeky?
why not just get on with your life and forget about what brings joy to others?
because you are a joyless old apartheid fu ck head always wanting to poke your nose in to make sure no one is enjoying themselves.
you probably hate *** because it leads to dancing.
18 Jul 2012, 18:15 pm
@Dusky(Dusky)-478: Kentucky is also where its fashion to marry ur neice and ur grand pappy to have married ur sister
18 Jul 2012, 18:15 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-552: hiyas rangerman
18 Jul 2012, 18:16 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-549:
Yes him.
18 Jul 2012, 18:17 pm
didnt the ohagans bring an end to vishoeks dry status?
or did snoeky and his band of awesome crusaders for “no one knows but us” close them down?
fark can you imagine a wa n ker like snoeky running things?
no thanks give me idi amin rather, at least you knew what you were getting with idi.
18 Jul 2012, 18:18 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-555: howzit man.
eish, the weather is playing havoc with my weekend plans.
whats the weather like down there atm?
18 Jul 2012, 18:19 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-554: That’s the place.;)
18 Jul 2012, 18:19 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-552: I know. It killed me 3 times, actually.
Not sure what air freshener he uses in there but it is the world’s most powerful female aphrodisiac lol…or maybe it’s something in the water
18 Jul 2012, 18:20 pm
@fitz1ella(fitz1ella)-551: It’s farkin awesome is what it is!
18 Jul 2012, 18:21 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-554: ps enjoyed the Arniston bay Merlot you gave me.
Really smooth. It went down like a homesick mole.
18 Jul 2012, 18:21 pm
this little fucknut rangerprude here reckons this sh’t brings joy to his world.. getting motherless fucked up to hell brings joy to his world… yeah.. bullshit artists supremo’s … they wanna get totally motherless befucked through and through.. and this brings joy to their world…
if ever there was a bullshit detector buzzer warning ringing alarm bells loud and clear is watching you bullshit artists bullshitting yourselves that your outright drug addiction brings joy to your world…
18 Jul 2012, 18:23 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-557: Yep, and there’s also an old-timers pub on the south side of the village called Victorian Times (or something like that). Skoppie probably pickets there on Sunday afternoons, threatening to lob butternuts through the windows if they don’t stop selling booze.
18 Jul 2012, 18:24 pm
@fitz1ella(fitz1ella)-563: Yep ou doosie, enjoying a shot of single malt after a hard day’s work equates to getting ‘totally motherless befucked through and through”
Hmm hysterical much?
18 Jul 2012, 18:24 pm
Woohoo!
A booze brawl!
18 Jul 2012, 18:25 pm
Oh no.
Princess Fuckadilly has her Fakefuck wand out.
This will end badly.
18 Jul 2012, 18:25 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-558: NIce and warm for a change bro, little windy but thats normal
18 Jul 2012, 18:26 pm
@fitz1ella(fitz1ella)-563: How do you reconcile the 45 year-old hard on you have for the drugfcked booze soaked Woodstock orgy with this phony, fake, pretentious, highfalutin, wannabe prudish morality you’re sicking up here?
18 Jul 2012, 18:26 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-562: lol a pleasure boet,
18 Jul 2012, 18:27 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-562: BTW it is Jack Daniels, not JOhn Daniels
18 Jul 2012, 18:28 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-568: The Wind is just your Chilli talking.
18 Jul 2012, 18:28 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-569:
wtf boet i nearly chocked as i spat that coffee out 
18 Jul 2012, 18:29 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-572:
me and the wife had peri peri prawns last night as it is, large king prawens went down real good 
18 Jul 2012, 18:30 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-569: Somewhere on the peninsula a hapless Nokia is taking a pounding right now
18 Jul 2012, 18:31 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-571: I know that. It’s a set-up line.
Scent of a woman.
You’re supposed to say “ïsn’t it Jack Daniels?”
And i respond in my Al Pacino voice:
“He may be Jack to you son, but if you’ve known him as long as i have…..”
18 Jul 2012, 18:33 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-574: Niiiiice.
I had leftovers.
18 Jul 2012, 18:34 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-576:
18 Jul 2012, 18:36 pm
@Atreides(Atreides)-565: hard days work you say.. I check some you dudes have spent all of approximately 5 or 6 hours on keo from around 9 am to 6 pm discussing politics, merlots, shiraz’s , bourbons, and the evaluation of SARS taxation structures in respect of who contributes more or less to the upgrade of the broader spectrum of the downtrodden indigenous population… .. and in the next breath they telling me how hard they worked in order to reap that R80 K PM corporate pay package which enables them to contribute the R29 K pm PAYE contribution to society.. so this entitles them to spend their hard earned grog money on sophisticated motherless inducing legalized drugs…
18 Jul 2012, 18:36 pm
@fitz1ella(fitz1ella)-563:
I’ve always thought you are motherless every day you post here. Seriously.
Anyhoo, some of us drink ourselves into a fine old mellow buzz. No need to get motherless etc as you put it. Self Control is a sign of civilization, dont you know?
I take it then you could only go all the way into total oblivion, no middle ground?
18 Jul 2012, 18:39 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-578: I was at your place on Monday. Spent a few hours there abusing your uncapped mweb
Cappuccinos and French toast.
Nice.
18 Jul 2012, 18:40 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-581:
18 Jul 2012, 18:41 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-569: you just a little fraudulent fakefck you little snob nosed prude.. didn’t I tell you that already you pissarse little two faced snob nose bourgeois phony fucked up fraud… how many times do I have to tell you the real facts of life before it sinks into your fucked up snob nosed little highfalutin bourgeois befuddled brain…?
18 Jul 2012, 18:43 pm
that me out.. done my good dead for the civilized state of society for a little while
continue in your deluded debauched merry way.. high society emissaries of civilization
18 Jul 2012, 18:46 pm
@fitz1ella(fitz1ella)-579: hmmm life is all about choices isnt it?
while you were swanning around banging norwegians and any other poor girl who couldnt see past the kaftan and the spittle some climbed the corporate ladder.
dont those rich people pay you for cleaning their drains or building a nice retaining wall or something?
shelve your jealousy, your life is your life and you must learn to love your place in the greater scheme of things.
cue: garbled bs lefty liberal angry rant at the meaningless of it all
18 Jul 2012, 18:50 pm
Indeed
I always wondered how much work gets done around here during the day!
18 Jul 2012, 19:06 pm
Retired.Wife & I help Aids orphans.No big deal.But absence of Govt
and black people in general piss us off.No Education,No Security,No
Health care.Where does my taxes go?
18 Jul 2012, 19:08 pm
Usually log on at the end of the thread.Beginning to think that I am the
thread killer.SaY IT ISN.T SO.
18 Jul 2012, 19:13 pm
STBUR. YOU ARE VERY GOOD.
18 Jul 2012, 19:22 pm
THE COMMENT ON AIDS ORPHANS WAS APPROPOS OF f.ALL.
MERELY BACKGROUND TO MY POST.
18 Jul 2012, 19:24 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-554: No different to Brakpan, Alberton or Danville ?
18 Jul 2012, 19:25 pm
@fitz1ella(fitz1ella)-563: Have you lost your mind ? You sound like a raving lunatic ?
18 Jul 2012, 19:27 pm
@fitz1ella(fitz1ella)-579: People still earn 80K per month ?
18 Jul 2012, 19:33 pm
@fitz1ella(fitz1ella)-579:
Spot on old chap. Spot on.
18 Jul 2012, 19:51 pm
Relax Rye.
Nice to have some background
18 Jul 2012, 20:36 pm
I see my back of fagpacket revenue calcs for the “180 000 Fallacy” seems to have induced a sudden change of subject from those towering Keo Captains of Industry…
Wonder why?
Do we put down this apparent error to SARS incompetence, or just the “time value of money”
18 Jul 2012, 20:49 pm
Hello Dawn.A.lot of vitriol going your way in recent posts.Keep Well.
And Terse.And laconic And Reticent..And to Moer with them
18 Jul 2012, 20:55 pm
Yep to moer with them.
18 Jul 2012, 21:26 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-596: HG
SARS figures are factual.
It doesn’t say that there are only 500 000 taxpayers you fool,
What they said was that 500 000 people earned a taxable income of more than R180 000 p.a.
Got it??
So let me dumb this down for you:
Number of taxpayers = beeeeg,
Number of taxpayers earning more than R180 000 p.a. (these figures are at least 8 years old) = smaaaaall.
As for what % of the total tax collection this 500 000 encompasses, I do not know.
You can be sure though that those numbers are not 500 000 each earning R180 000 p.a. like you were working with.
You know that, but where you look the biggest fool is by thinking that everyone on this site buys your argument and doesn’t see the obvious failing in logic.
Sometimes I think that arguing with you is like trying to reason with ET.
.
18 Jul 2012, 21:41 pm
HG has just been demoted to Corporal of Industry.
18 Jul 2012, 21:41 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-599: Calm down, old son…
I am just trying to figure out how the 500 000 “supports 15 mill on welfare” with these figures…
And the magical 31% of Total Tax Revenue….
I think I may have forgot a Bob Factor or two in this Voodoo Ecos equation somehow…
Either that or someone has may have quoted an angazi as fact and is now going backwards faster than a Greek…
18 Jul 2012, 21:46 pm
vat more than income tax contribute more to the SA budget.Tax experts argue that people who pay vat,and basically include all of us,make a large contribution to the government’s budget.This probably gonna shatter Stormersboy’s theory that he and his magnificent 180thousand club are funding the South African welfare budget.
18 Jul 2012, 21:53 pm
Yoh. I see Transie aka “Megatron” was given a proper dressing down on Sharksworld today.
18 Jul 2012, 21:55 pm
Actually not.
Stick to poodles.
18 Jul 2012, 22:00 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-603: That place is for the seriously masochistic.
Unless you are a Sharks supporter of course
18 Jul 2012, 22:01 pm
I am not gonna argue with tax experts and I would advise people in crappy government jobs to do the same.
18 Jul 2012, 22:02 pm
Sounds like a B-grade aquarium. Why would anyone hang out there? Perhaps they were offering newcomers free willy.
18 Jul 2012, 22:05 pm
Go and look at the figures Poodlefucker.
I would advise your tax expert buddy to do the same.
18 Jul 2012, 22:07 pm
The Captains out in full force now…
Capitalists unite…
Atlas is Shrugging…
18 Jul 2012, 22:07 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-605: it seems to be ruled with an iron fist. I prefer the “assessment” approach of this site
I wonder what keeps our friend busy there, he ain’t no Shark…. and he doesn’t like to stir in the slightest
18 Jul 2012, 22:09 pm
Greed is good and all that…
Trickles everywhere…
Schmucks
18 Jul 2012, 22:11 pm
Pipe down Corporal.
Otherwise you will be cleaning the trickles in the latrine with your toothbrush.
18 Jul 2012, 22:16 pm
The fate of whole strata of the population and sometimes of whole countries can be decided by the “solipsistic” speculative dance of Capital, which pursues its goal of profitability in a blessed indifference to how its movement will affect social reality.
Therein resides the fundamental systemic violence of capitalism, much more uncanny than the direct pre-capitalist socio-ideological violence:
This violence is no longer attributable to concrete individuals and their “evil” intentions, but is purely “objective”, systemic, anonymous.
18 Jul 2012, 22:17 pm
Just some food for thought.
The Public Investment Corp (PIC) is the pension fund for government workers.
I’m told that they are the largest holders of JSE listed stock in SA. I was given a number of between 10 and 15% of the total JSE capitalization is held by the PIC.
So civil service workers collectively hold over 10% of the JSE?
And no wealth is being transferred?
18 Jul 2012, 22:17 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-603: what happened?
18 Jul 2012, 22:21 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-615: read the tata thread there. I hardly visit that site but I am glad I did today. Transie got put back in his box and then whimpered his obedience at the first threat from the iron fist.
18 Jul 2012, 22:21 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-615:
Details are sketchy at this stage.
It seems he may have had his wobbly bits molested by a rogue dolphin.
Nothing on YouTube though.
18 Jul 2012, 22:28 pm
Stocks… Piffle
Stocks are Fish…
Bonds are Sharks…
And the Whales splash and get eaten…
18 Jul 2012, 22:30 pm
Bayete Madiba
Bayete
18 Jul 2012, 22:46 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-617:
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-616: haha, couldnt be bothered but doesnt sound like transie lol.
18 Jul 2012, 22:48 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-619: second that.
bayete iNkosi!
18 Jul 2012, 23:17 pm
71 and still busting along
anyone west of Greenwich and north of tropic of Cancer should make tracks to where its cutting loose this fall.
http://www.bobdylan.com/us/home
18 Jul 2012, 23:25 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-616: always following transie, talking about transie, analysing transie’s posts, retelling transie’s blog history…every second transie consumes your thoughts…
my bunny
18 Jul 2012, 23:37 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-623: I just love exposing twats!
18 Jul 2012, 23:38 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-623: “…retelling transie’s blog history…”
Erm, no. This is something YOU – the archive twat – do!
18 Jul 2012, 23:38 pm
I got my fish to bite.
Naaice.
Peace out.
18 Jul 2012, 23:52 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-581: @sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-582: Where is this place you talk of?
19 Jul 2012, 00:42 am
I see Capo is also consuming Gunther’s thoughts.
19 Jul 2012, 19:14 pm
Aaahh! Getting elegantly wasted, I seem to be doing that on average once a week, a lot of fun…..late afternoon, a couple of friends, munkeys playing around you, the sound of the jakkals yipping as they prepare to come prowling in the evening, watching the game on the hill of neighboring gamefarm. This is not done cos the pink chit or pink champs tastes good but for about 2 hrs of fun and unwinding, friends toodle of home, bath, bed, dinner and tv…………good times…….life is good.
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