Sadie to quit Bulls?
19 Jul 2012
Johann Sadie has asked the Bulls to be released from his current contract.
According to SuperSport.com, the former Stormers centre has expressed his wish to continue his career elsewhere. This after spending just seven months at the Pretoria franchise, that has him held to a two-year contract that reportedly pays R1.4 million a season.
It has been a frustrating period for the 23-year-old as he has struggled with injury and poor form. This has seen him fail to land a regular place in the Bulls’ match 22 since limping off in the 13th minute during the team’s Super Rugby opener against the Sharks.
Bulls head coach Frans Ludeke confirmed that Sadie could make an early transfer.
‘We are very aware of Johan’s situation and his future and he is concerned that he isn’t getting the playing opportunities he needs because of injuries. He wants to get onto the field to establish himself but is worried he can’t at the moment,’ said Ludeke.
‘We will always look at a player’s situation and take it to heart. We will always consult with the player and take the best decision for his career going forward. We have given him the green light to look at other options to see if he can get better playing opportunities at other provinces.’
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20 Jul 2012, 09:20 am
@willievz(willievz)-197: The Bulls bought something like 22 Craven Week and Academy players. They also signed 15 of their own kids. STOCKPILING for selfish motives – nothing more, nothing less.
And it isn’t going to end in a good way either. Stander and Sadie are just the 1st casualties…….and STILL these 22 young schoolkids seem to think it’s a good idea to head north.
Something is very wrong in Pta….and player turnover is going to soar. The worrying thing: How many young players will be casualties of this war the Bulls initiated?
20 Jul 2012, 09:21 am
@Atreides(Atreides)-198: For sure if not playing you go backwards. That is the same for any sport really. Need game time. Sadie was wasted at the Bulls really. Their game plan too never suited him. He will florish at the Cheetahs.
20 Jul 2012, 09:22 am
@willievz(willievz)-199:
You are a laugh, my friend.
Always ready to get a dig in at the Bulls. Is your hatred that intense?
I fully agree that the Cheetahs are a good move for Sadie. Many a Bull has moved there for more gametime before returning a better player. Wilhelm Steenkamp comes to mind. He even became their captain.
But to talk about an up-yours to the Bulls and moaning about their “stockpiling programme”, well, you’re just damaging your own credibility by making bitter statements like that.
This is the professional era. Get used to it.
20 Jul 2012, 09:22 am
@Puma(Puma)-202: flourish
20 Jul 2012, 09:23 am
@Robzim(Robzim)-200: So he obviously sees no irony in calling ranger a murderous fool for spearing fish? lol
Nazi killing machines…..so nazis were actually around 50 million years ago, made sharks, then disappeared for 49.99 million years before making a brief return in the 1900′s?
Okaaaay……..
20 Jul 2012, 09:28 am
@Puma(Puma)-204: I also think the Bulls intensive bulking program for young imports is damaging them – there’s always the risk of over-training and with it a greater risk of injury. I seriously think, given what I’ve seen this year, that some of their time would be better spent on skills development than on bulking and size.
looking at Spies for all his impressive size, strength and pretty muscles, he STILL runs into contact upright and regularly gets flattened or driven back by much smaller players (like Joe in the first Stormers / Bulls game for example
20 Jul 2012, 09:28 am
@Robzim(Robzim)-200: Someone on here believes all (real) Sharks should be killed to extinction? There is only one species deserving……..and it isn’t the Great White Shark (REAL sharks – magnificence personified)
20 Jul 2012, 09:29 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-203:
It is certainly not my intention to write things you will only agree with.
The reality is there for everyone else to see – yet you are still blinkered.
Those blinkers, my friend, reduces YOUR credibility.
20 Jul 2012, 09:31 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-207: “I’d like to share a revelation that I’ve had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you’re not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You’re a plague…” Agent Smith
20 Jul 2012, 09:31 am
@willievz(willievz)-208:
What is this reality?
That the Bulls want to recruit the best young players in the country? Mhmm, yes, I can see how that is a bad strategy if you want to be the best club in the world.
If Sadie was good enough, he could have had a massive season at the Bulls. But he didn’t make the cut. Instead, his less rated pal Engelbrecht took the step up.
If we recruit 10 guys, some of them will make it, and some won’t. That’s reality.
20 Jul 2012, 09:32 am
@willievz(willievz)-208: Correct.
How dare you disagree with anything Blue?
Sies.
20 Jul 2012, 09:34 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-201: The main issue for me is the damage it does to SA Rugby.
It is good for the Bulls, but the Boks lose out.
And as a Bok supporter, I cannot accept that. You can’t have that many resources concentrated in one rich franchise.
The best 150 players in the country should be distributed more equitably than is the case at current.
20 Jul 2012, 09:34 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-203: So do you think that large corporations are entitled to do anything they want or can afford to do, in the name of business? That they are utterly exempt of any kind of larger responsibility to the environment within which they exist, and should serve only their own interests without regard for the consequences?
Serious question.
20 Jul 2012, 09:34 am
@Robzim(Robzim)-191:
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-193:
yeah… he wil be a good fit at the cheetahs… good luck to him…
isn’t PG going back to Japan…?
20 Jul 2012, 09:35 am
@willievz(willievz)-212: That’s what I’m getting at in @213
20 Jul 2012, 09:39 am
@Atreides(Atreides)-213:
I would argue that SA rugby was at its strongest when we had two massively powerful teams contesting for the Super Rugby trophy in 2007, while all the other SA provinces were bottomfeeders.
The winning culture we got from the Bulls and Sharks dominating SA rugby, and the concentration of the best players in the world at the Bulls and Sharks led to us winning the 2007 World Cup.
Again, it was these two teams that made up the bulk of the 2009 team that beat the All Blacks 3 times, beat the British Lions and won the Tri Nations – all with the worst coach we’ve had since readmission.
To summarize: I reject the idea that an egalitarian distribution of our talent is good for SA rugby. In fact, the opposite is the case. Having one or two clubs that dominate the S15 is more advantageous. The Bok team will then be dominated by players that know each other and are used to beating the best that the Kiwis and Aussies have to offer.
So I have directly the opposite philosophy to those who seek an even spread of our player resources.
20 Jul 2012, 09:39 am
@willievz(willievz)-212: The so-called ‘custodians’ of rugby…..SARU (splutter cough splutter) have to address this at some stage. The issue (as you state) is NOT with the Bulls buying the players – it’s with the reality that all but a few of these players will EVER get onto the field.
If the Bulls could field 4 U/19 teams and 3 U/21 teams in the junior competitions – different story. But sadly for fellows like van Graans bellboy Taccy; this is never going to happen sooooooooooooooooooooooo the bigger picture needs to take preference to any dreams of Illuminati like domination the Bulls are striving for – simple
20 Jul 2012, 09:39 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-210: There’s a strong possibility that the Bulls conditioning and training regime contributed heavily to his injuries. He said himself that he had never been pushed so hard and so far – I read ‘over-trained’.
20 Jul 2012, 09:40 am
The message being sent to youngsters is clear. You want to play for South Africa – they you need to play for the Bulls.
Look the 14 Bulls selected for the squad was no fluke – it will continue to happen, with the Sharks as the fill in. Even though they didn’t all play, they will come in gradually to get higher honours. Now good luck to them but don’t destroy our other unions because of the strategy… Listen carefully to HM – not very open and honest as most think…
20 Jul 2012, 09:41 am
@Atreides(Atreides)-213: No, I think the point Taccy is making, is that the BULLS are entitled to do whatever they want to and can afford to do in the name of business
It seems to p i ss him off no end when other corporations and organisations do it….
20 Jul 2012, 09:42 am
@Gumboots(Gumboots)-219:
Time to get rid of that chip.
Mallet’s successful team was dominated by WP players.
Kitch’ Christie’s team by Transvaal players.
The 2007 team by Bulls and Sharks.
This idea that there should be an even spread of players from the provinces is nonsense. Who knows, maybe now is the time of the Stormers again.
20 Jul 2012, 09:42 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-216: I’m not necessarily arguing for sharing players under some sort of gentlemen’s agreement, but buying up potentially excellent players in large numbers, who clearly won’t play much, to stop other unions gaining benefit from them, is harmful to SA rugby in general
20 Jul 2012, 09:45 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-221:
No chip mate! Everyone knows the value of certain players – players who are good Provincial players but far from international quality – Werner Kruger, Basson, Olivier, Greyling, Potgieter, Spies, Niknaks man, etc – much better available. I suppose there is a chip and of course I don’t have blue eyes…
20 Jul 2012, 09:46 am
@Atreides(Atreides)-222:
Doing what you said there is bad business strategy. But luckily what you’re saying there is not what the Bulls are doing.
They are not “Buying up good players to prevent other unions from getting benefit from them.” This is an impossible feat, because you don’t have more money than all the other unions combined, hence you can never achieve such a goal.
The goal is to identify the talent that YOU think will be the stars of tomorrow, bringing them to Loftus, and keeping those that fulfill this potential, while letting the others go.
If Sadie had done his part from a performance perspective, he would be starting at the Bulls. Instead, his form was terrible. He would not have started at the Stormers either, given his form this year.
In fact, the Bulls had to resort to playing a wing at centre, to compensate for Sadie’s poor form. That’s just how it goes in professional sport.
If he goes to the Cheetahs (at a lower salary, you can bet on it) and gets his form back, the Bulls would even offer him a contract again in 2 years time. It’s up to him to make that step up.
I think this is a good move, as I’ve said already.
20 Jul 2012, 09:48 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-216:
Let’s be clear from the outset.
I have no problem if there are one or two teams in SA that are head and shoulders above the rest in terms of fielding a quality 22. This was certainly the case in 2007 and in the Bulls’ golden years.
But I do have a problem when one or two franchises sign about 50-60% of the most talented players in the country. That undermines the development of the youngsters who could be starting S15 players sooner at other franchises, and hence delaying their chances to test themselves against the best sooner.
So SA Rugby loses out.
The Lions, for example, could do an awful lot with some of the players currently contracted to the Bulls and Sharks but playing Vodacom and / or u/21 rugby.
We need some regulation or interventionist mechanism, and fast.
20 Jul 2012, 09:49 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-216: Your argument fails to explain the rather mediocre and average record we have against the AB’s and Aussies in general, when the EXACT same ’2 province dream team’ you have gushed over was in fact the team being fielded at the time of ‘said’ mediocre and kak results?
20 Jul 2012, 09:49 am
point being if ‘all’ the talented players are contracted to two teams only 22 can play for each on any given day…
however, if the talent was spread a little further, more talented players would get game time and then three or even four SA teams could dominate the S15… as opposed to the current ‘two’…
New Zealand had four teams in with a shout this season…
wouldn’t it be great for sa rugby to be ‘guaranteed’ of having four really competitive teams every year…
20 Jul 2012, 09:49 am
@willievz(willievz)-208:
“stock piling” is a laughable anology.
I expect better from you.
What is the conversion rate from U18 hopeful to superrugby regular. 1 in 4 maybe?
the bulls recruit plenty youth, in particular those considered with “above” average talent.
Only a select few will make it into a bulls starting 15 in the next 5 seasons.
Any football coach will tell you that cutting a 17year old after he has been with a club since he was 11 is one of the hardest things to do but the reality is that not everyone will become good enough to play at the top level for a club/franchise who have ambitions of winning trophys.
20 Jul 2012, 09:49 am
@Gumboots(Gumboots)-223:
Strange how you guys are complaining that the Bulls are buying all the best talent on the one hand, and then stating that they have no talent to speak of at the same time.
Which is it?
The reality is that the Bulls had the best players in the world a few years ago, their stars retired, and they are now in a rebuilding phase. Hence their massive recruitment drive.
20 Jul 2012, 09:51 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-224: I think offering a largely untested youngster the package they offered him is bad business strategy too, but they did it.
20 Jul 2012, 09:52 am
@Atreides(Atreides)-222:
and let’s be clear about this….nobody is forcing these youngsters to the bulls.
the bulls make an offer the same as every other union has the opportunity.
obviously, the youngsters are happier going to the bulls because if they make it there they will make it anywhere..sic…
20 Jul 2012, 09:52 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-229:
You have three super titles, we have none! The union is doing something right, I guess…
20 Jul 2012, 09:54 am
@willievz(willievz)-212: you must be a communist!
20 Jul 2012, 09:54 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-228:
I don’t think it is laughable at all.
By purchasing stock, you exclude the use of that stock by other parties / competitors.
It makes business sense to buy as much talent as possible in order to make life difficult for your competitors.
20 Jul 2012, 09:54 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-233: No, I am not.
I am a Bok supporter.
20 Jul 2012, 09:54 am
@Atreides(Atreides)-230:
The Bulls game relies on a star flyhalf more than other teams, I would say.
Morne Steyn is nearing the end of his career. He was integral to them winning their last 2 Super Rugby trophies.
They identified the man to replace him last year – that was Johan Goosen. But they could not get him. This intensified the need for a quality successor to Steyn.
Hence the offer to Pollard.
They won’t be making that kind of offer to every Tom **** and Harry.
It is pretty obvious, if you look at it strategically.
20 Jul 2012, 09:54 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-226:
errm….Twakkie Devilliers
20 Jul 2012, 09:56 am
Oh dear.
I thought I’d stumbled upon an archived thread.
Then I checked the date.
20 Jul 2012, 09:57 am
@Atreides(Atreides)-213: another commie
the bulls need to be allowed to amass as firepower as they can, this – in Tacitus’ convoluted mind – is the ONLY way SA Rugby can compete or win super rugby consistently!
20 Jul 2012, 09:58 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-239:
We most CERTAINLY will not win Super Rugby titles if the talent is spread evenly between the 5 Super Rugby franchises.
20 Jul 2012, 09:59 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-236: How many 10s did the Bulls sign of late?
20 Jul 2012, 09:59 am
@willievz(willievz)-235: refer to #239
20 Jul 2012, 10:01 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-231: Nobody is forcing them, no, but what no-one tells these kids is that they are for the most part, serving the short term needs of the franchise and not their own long-term career interests.
For example: Young player gets piles of cash offered tot him, heads up to the Bulls after the national coach dangles a Bok jersey (still unsure about the ethics of the national coach involving himself in the affairs of a provincial franchise, but anyway), then if he doesn’t necessarily slot into the culture, or gets injured trying to shoe-horn himself into the coaches idea of a bok physique, gets benched or dropped entirely for 2 seasons, then loses his contract. So now he is 3 years older, had no top level game time to speak of, and has to start looking for a new contract elsewhere…. playing catch-up. It’s a big speed bump in an already short-lived career.
20 Jul 2012, 10:01 am
When is Gumede getting his chequebook out for the kings?
Or have tenders dried up?
20 Jul 2012, 10:03 am
@willievz(willievz)-234:
just as a matter of fact….where would Sadie have featured for the Lions this season? Ahead of Murray or Mapoe?
@Transformation(Transformation)-239:
well, it’s not far off when you consider that it’s only the crusaders and blues that have won titles for the kiwis.
20 Jul 2012, 10:04 am
@Atreides(Atreides)-243:
But the youngsters play both for the Bulls U19 team and then for their U21 team. So they get plenty of gametime – if they are good enough.
SA rugby should be thanking us, because we are carrying them and only gettting value from them once they are good enough to play Super Rugby.
20 Jul 2012, 10:04 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-216:
That sounded like a ‘good neighbourliness’ speech right there
20 Jul 2012, 10:06 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-245:
Don’t know.
But ahead of Deon van Rensburg (with Mapoe going to wing?), or Butch.
He would certainly have strengthened the 22, though.
20 Jul 2012, 10:06 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-247:
Good morning to you, my race obssessed, psychologically scarred friend.
20 Jul 2012, 10:06 am
The cold hard truth is the Bulls talent identification system failed them. They thought they were buying a diamond in Sadie, but all they got was a piece of polished glass. Over time all this will even out. Pollard could turn out to be as **** as Sadie. They could have fcuked up Goosen good and solid by playing Steyn ahead of him.
I’ve no problem with the Bulls buying as much as they can. It’s what they do with all that raw talent which makes one anxious.
Another big thing, which could potentially affect these players is the all-in family culture the Bulls propagate, when in fact, rugby is just a job for some of these players. Some of them don’t believe in that.
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