Super Rugby preview – Qualifiers
20 Jul 2012
JON CARDINELLI and RYAN VREDE analyse the key match-ups and pick the winners at the weekend.
The boys have both picked the Sharks as South Africa’s best hope of progression this weekend, with Cardinelli calling it close in Christchurch while Vrede believes the Bulls will take a proper beating. It isn’t often they hope they’re wrong, but the Bulls call is one such occasion.
KEO.CO.ZA SUCCESS RATE
VREDE: 86/119 (72%)
JC: 88/119 (74%)
CRUSADERS vs BULLS, CHRISTCHURCH, SATURDAY 09:35
WHY THE CRUSADERS SHOULD WIN:
JC: When it comes to the Super Rugby final series, you don’t want to play against the Crusaders. They haven’t lost a play-off in Christchurch in the tournament’s 17-year history, and boast an overall play-off record of played 24, won 18. The great Bulls side of the past decade that included Victor Matfield and Fourie du Preez failed to win a knockout match in New Zealand, so it would be unfair to expect more from what is a plucky yet inferior 2012 outfit. By comparison, the Crusaders side is stacked with World Cup-winning All Blacks, many of whom have featured in several successful Super Rugby campaigns. The Crusaders will rely on their scrum to provide good set-piece ball, and their multiskilled forwards to set the tempo with some ground-gaining carries and momentum-perpetuating offloads. Andy Ellis and Dan Carter will control the game, marshalling their forwards and midfielders into holes or into positions to win territory. On the back of a powerful showing, these halfbacks will also look to kick for field position, although I can’t see them kicking for touch too often. The Bulls will be under pressure up front and this will impact on the kicking game of their own halfbacks. The Crusaders are a clinical and pragmatic side, but they also have the players to punish poor kicks. The Bulls defence hasn’t been as solid as in previous seasons, and they will be susceptible to the counter-attack.
VREDE: The Bulls have never publicly lamented the impact of the loss of a clutch of vastly experienced players at the end of 2011, but their absence will be telling in Christchurch. Victor Matfield and Fourie du Preez in particular have been at the heart of the tactical besting of the Crusaders in recent years and their absence will be most sorely missed. The Bulls simply don’t have the calibre of personnel to defy their underdog status. You already need a handful of really special players to beat them on your home patch, and how more arduous a task it will be without players of that ilk and in a city where the hosts have a formidable record. The Bulls haven’t fronted physically against the elite sides this season, and there is nothing to suggest they will oust a world-class pack in general play or at scrum time. The latter has been the Bulls’ Achilles heel (they lead the tournament in scrum penalties conceded) and Dan Carter won’t be generous if given kickable opportunities from infringements. The Bulls have been outstanding at contesting lineouts but the Crusaders will limit their opportunities here by kicking infield. The seven-time champions will build their victory on slick execution of a very simple game plan that rests on territorial gains through tactical kicks and dynamic and precise attacking play when in scoring positions. Expect them to target the 10-12-13 channels, the latter especially vulnerable given that JJ Engelbrecht is still learning the defensive demands of the position at Super Rugby level. The Bulls won’t be able to stifle their attacking momentum, and I foresee a convincing defeat for them.
HOW THE BULLS CAN SCORE AN UPSET:
JC: It’s obvious isn’t it? The Bulls need to fight and scrap like never before. The Rebels managed to shock the Crusaders earlier this season, and that will give the Bulls hope. The Crusaders are always a different prospect in the play-offs, but the Bulls will view that shaky showing against the Rebels as a sign that the Cantabrians aren’t completely invincible. They won’t have a price at the scrums, but the Bulls lineout should dominate and they must use this possession wisely. We could see a lot of mauling from the visitors, but we should also see plenty of kicking. Morné Steyn and Francois Hougaard haven’t been on song, but they need to be accurate on this occasion. Precision kicking will allow men like Bjorn Basson to compete in the air, and in this area Basson is on a par with the All Blacks’ Cory Jane. But even if the Bulls do work themselves into good field positions, they will need to convert chances into points. Will the real Morné Steyn stand up? At the other end, Carter will convert all points on offer. Steyn will need to show the goal-kicking temperament that has characterised his career prior to the 2012 season if the Bulls are going to advance to the semis.
VREDE: This rests on their primary strike runners producing a performance they have not yet managed. Pierre Spies needs to set the standard at the gainline. He has been a peripheral figure in games of this magnitude too many times. It is time for a statement exhibition. Jacques Potgieter’s ability to boss the tackle fight will be central to any potential success, as will that of Chiliboy Ralepelle, Flip van der Merwe, Juandre Kruger and Wynand Olivier. If they manage this they will have space to manoeuvre and their kicking game will be amplified. This will afford them opportunities to turn the Saders’ back three or put them under pressure with bombs, which they are excellent at contesting. From there they can force penalties and turnovers (they have been clinical at scoring from the latter).
JC’S CALL: Crusaders by 9
VREDE’S CALL: Crusaders by 15
Crusaders – 15 Israel Dagg, 14 Adam Whitelock, 13 Robbie Fruean, 12 Ryan Crotty, 11 Zac Guildford, 10 Dan Carter, 9 Andy Ellis, 8 Richie McCaw (c), 7 Matt Todd, 6 George Whitelock, 5 Samuel Whitelock, 4 Luke Romano, 3 Owen Franks, 2 Corey Flynn, 1 Wyatt Crockett.
Subs: 16 Quentin MacDonald, 17 Ben Franks, 18 Tom Donnelly, 19 Luke Whitelock, 20 Willi Heinz, 21 Tom Taylor, 22 Sean Maitland.
Bulls - 15 Zane Kirchner, 14 Akona Ndungane, 13 JJ Engelbrecht, 12 Wynand Olivier, 11 Bjorn Basson, 10 Morné Steyn, 9 Francois Hougaard, 8 Pierre Spies (c), 7 Jacques Potgieter, 6 Dewald Potgieter, 5 Juandre Kruger, 4 Flip van der Merwe, 3 Werner Kruger, 2 Chiliboy Ralepelle, 12 Dean Greyling.
Subs: 16 Willie Wepener, 17 Frik Kirsten, 18 Deon Stegmann, 19 Wilhelm Steenkamp, 20 Jano Vermaak, 21 Louis Fouché, 22 Francois Venter.
REDS vs SHARKS, BRISBANE, SATURDAY 11:40
WHY THE REDS SHOULD WIN:
JC: Much depends on the outcome of the Reds’ appeal against Quade Cooper’s suspension. At the time of writing, the Reds were still umming and ahhing about a possible appeal, but there’s little doubt that Cooper would make a massive difference to that Reds side. He was the heartbeat of the team in 2011, that is his attacking play allowed them to capitalise on terrific forward momentum, and together with Will Genia, he out-kicked every other side tactically. The Reds haven’t looked as potent without Cooper at No 10 this season, although home advantage will count for plenty in a play-off match. The team has started to peak at the right time in the tournament, and after winning both their play-off matches, as well as the title, at Suncorp Stadium last year, the Reds will believe they can repeat the feat. They also have a great goal-kicker in Mike Harris, whose boot has won some close encounters, including the second Test against Wales in June.
VREDE: I agree with Cardinelli in as much as the Reds’ success last season rested heavily on the tactical kicking excellence and intelligence of Quade Cooper and Will Genia. They simply haven’t replicated that this season in Cooper’s absence and this reflects in their inconsistency. It is crucial to note that they only made the play-offs because of the weakness of the Australian conference (they have 58 points, as many as the seventh-placed Brumbies). Home advantage will aid them, but it won’t plaster over the numerous deficiencies in their game. Still they are a competent side with combative forwards and backs with game-breaking qualities. If they can match the Sharks’ heavies they’ll be well placed to win through to the semi-final.
HOW THE SHARKS CAN SCORE AN UPSET:
JC: Cooper’s inclusion would change the complexion of this match, but I think it’s more likely that he won’t be available and the fact will give the Sharks a sniff. The Reds aren’t easy to beat in Brisbane, but the Sharks have won a play-off in this city before (1996), and of all the South African sides, the Sharks are the only team to have won a knockout game Down Under. Their victory against the Reds earlier in the season will give the Sharks confidence, as will the return of key Springboks Willem Alberts and Bismarck du Plessis to the starting side. The Sharks will dominate the scrums as well as the collisions. They will need to be accurate in clearing ball-poachers like Liam Gill and Beau Robinson away from the ruck, but if they manage to win the physical battle, this task will be easier than most suspect. The Reds may have a sharpshooter in Harris, but the Sharks have Freddie Michalak, who boasts an 81% success rate in front of goal. This match is set to be more closely contested than the play-off in Christchurch, but I feel that in the end the Sharks will edge it thanks to the efforts of their robust pack.
VREDE: This will hinge on the brutality in contact on attack and defence that Bismarck du Plessis, Beast Mtawarira, Marcell Coetzee and Willem Alberts can offer them. The Sharks’ cause is undermined by not having Alberts at blindside flank, but they will ensure he gets his hands on the ball as often as possible on attack. Du Plessis tends to elevate himself for occasions like these, while Mtawarira’s industry, power and BMT will be an asset. The quartet’s defensive prowess is crucial as well. Du Plessis has consistently shown himself to be a bruising defender and competent scavenger and his efforts will need to be supplemented by a similar effort from the aforementioned and indeed the team at large. Success at the gainline will allow the Sharks’ halfback pair the space and time they require to plot the Reds’ demise. Their outside backs can expect to see plenty of ball, with JP Pietersen running white-hot at present. They’ll miss Pat Lambie’s composure and all-round skill at fullback, but I don’t think this will be terminal to their ambitions.
JC’S CALL: Sharks by 6
VREDE’S CALL: Sharks by 7
Reds – 15 Luke Morahan, 14 Dom Shipperley, 13 Anthony Faingaa, 12 Mike Harris, 11 Digby Ioane, 10 Ben Lucas, 9 Will Genia (c), 8 Scott Higginbotham, 7 Liam Gill, 6 Jake Schatz, 5 Adam Wallace-Harrison, 4 Rob Simmons, 3 James Slipper, 2 Saia Faingaa, 1 Greg Holmes.
Subs: 16 James Hanson, 17 Ben Daley, 18 Radike Samo, 19 Beau Robinson, 20 Jarrad Butler, 21 Nick Frisby, 22 Ben Tapuai.
Sharks – 15 Louis Ludik, 14 JP Pietersen, 13 Paul Jordaan, 12 Tim Whitehead, 11 Lwazi Mvovo, 10 Frederic Michalak, 9 Charl McLeod, 8 Ryan Kankowski, 7 Marcell Coetzee, 6 Keegan Daniel (c), 5 Anton Bresler, 4 Willem Alberts, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Bismarck du Plessis, 1 Tendai Mtawarira.
Subs: 16 Craig Burden, 17 Wiehahn Herbst, 18 Steven Sykes, 19 Jacques Botes, 20 Cobus Reinhach, 21 Meyer Bosman, 22 Odwa Ndungane.
213 Comments
19 Jul 2012, 11:31 am
Shark winning Dragons and Pink losing dragons…
Go both…
19 Jul 2012, 11:32 am
I think the Sharks will win but if I’m a realist I would have to say the Saders will take the other one…
Stormers – Sharks
Chiefs – Saders
Mouthwatering…
19 Jul 2012, 11:33 am
Then one of the S teams will be crowned champions of 2012…
Finish and Klaar
19 Jul 2012, 11:34 am
Wow calling a Sharks win by both of you is scarce… But lets hope they win…
19 Jul 2012, 11:37 am
Then the other more important S team will win the Rugby Championship if the coach chooses the right players from the S teams of Super rugby. Talking in code assists my relaxation exercise…
19 Jul 2012, 12:26 pm
Reds and Saders = Head
Sharks and Bulls = Heart
Going to be an awesome weekend of rugby
19 Jul 2012, 12:59 pm
I must agree that the Bulls wiil have a much harder time in Christchurch than Sharks will have in Brisbane. The Bulls have shown in the past that they have, more than any other SA team, the right temperament for play-off rugby, if it were against any other side besides the Saders, home or away, my money would be on the Bulls, even without their experienced guys of previous seasons.
I just think that the Crusaders in Christchurch will be a bit too much. As the Sharks found out in last years play off, may not have been Christchurch due to the earthquake, but home ground none the less.
The Sharks on the other hand will fancy their chances, but what makes this Reds side so dangerous, Cooper or no Cooper, they are the defending champions playing on home turf and that in its self is huge motivation. The Sharks will have to be wary of this. I do believe however that Plumtree has selected the best 22 available for this game, and a good outfit it looks. The forwards, just on paper already look quite daunting, and this is exactly how the Reds will see it. So far quite a few articles almost make it seem as if the Sharks are favourites, i disagree, the Defending champions are the favourites and the Sharks players will be happy to take the underdog status. In saying that, if the Reds do not front up to the Sharks superior and formidable forward pack, the Reds could have a long 80min. As the Sharks have the back line to fire with quick clean go forward ball. Not a 100% sure of the stats, but the Sharks are one of the sides with the most four try bonus points, which indicates to a very competent attack. Not that bonus points matters in these situations.
But good luck to the Bulls aswell. I think for the first time in a long time we will have Sharks fans, supporting the Bulls and the other way around. It will be great to see 3 SA sides in the semis. The Chiefs may just feel overwhelmed.
19 Jul 2012, 13:06 pm
@Sharkie10(Sharkie10)-7: reds will also be buoyed by 60 from 6 winning streak at home and as you mentioned being defending champs – home crowd.
sharks on the other hand though have enough firepower in most positions on the park to seriously pakslae the reds, reds pack too powderpuff imo to stand up to a sharks pack on the rampage, jpp’s form is scintilating atm.
19 Jul 2012, 13:06 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-8: 6 from 6
19 Jul 2012, 13:09 pm
I think the bulls Crusaders game will be close and Reds and sharks will be a wider score line.
I think Sharks have too much too play for. they were 17-0 down and then won by 5 points against a Reds missing cooper and 11 other frontline players. in that game Genia the flyhalf, after two other flyhalf injuries in that game, missed 3 straight forward penalties.
19 Jul 2012, 13:11 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-8:
Pack is too powered puff after they lost narrowly to the crusaders and only for a ref given charity to the home side took away what could have been a win for the reds.
I think everyone is writing off the Reds but really miss that they have won 11 games and beat the chiefs
19 Jul 2012, 13:13 pm
@Gumboots(Gumboots)-3:
when you say Finish and Klaar…does that give gravitus to your excitement!
why do you saffas say finish and Klaar when it is not finish and klaar…do you guys say that to try and convince yourselves!!!
19 Jul 2012, 13:17 pm
Thank God they have both called a Saders win so our chances are up from 20% to 30%.
Sincere thanks from a Bulls supporter who does not hold out much hope.
19 Jul 2012, 13:21 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-8: I like your confidence that The Sharks should win by a reasonable margin, but as a Sharks supporter, my team has proven to me many a time that Play-Off rugby especially in Super rugby is a step too far for them. History shows that The Sharks have played in more play-off matches than any other SA side and we haven’t managed to win it once. I know it seems very negative but in the same breath, i agree that we do have the team to make it past the Reds and set-up an epic Newlands semi-final. It is stressful and i’m somewhat doubtful, but will support my team to the death.
19 Jul 2012, 13:28 pm
@wallabie.(wallabie.)-12: “You Saffas”? It’s the same as saying “End of story” or “full stop”, pretty common colloquialisms… Hardly worth commenting on?
19 Jul 2012, 13:34 pm
@wallabie.(wallabie.)-12:
Why do you Sheepfukers?
Call everyone ”mate”
Is it because you are too daft to remember their names
Call your women sheila
Is it not to confuse your **** with your shag(gy )sheep.
Why do you call a rugby ball a pill, when it is clear that you cannot swallow it
Why do you call a rugby pitch a paddock. Does it remind you of your sheep?
19 Jul 2012, 13:38 pm
@Tarlo(Tarlo)-15:
not only did he coment on it but he also used three exclamation marks at the end of his last sentence..?.huh..?.
is somebody else’s ‘excitement’ getting him excited?
@Airwell(Airwell)-13:
hehehe
the keo kiss is a sweet kiss indeed.
19 Jul 2012, 13:39 pm
Just BTW Mr Vrede. Our friend Dan Carter’s kicking has been VERY iffy this year. He has played a lot less rugby. But his % is just over 70 against Morne’s poor 80. I’m going with the Bulls to score an upset this week-end.
19 Jul 2012, 13:43 pm
@TruBlu(TruBlu)-18:
Your loyalty is commendable Tru.
Just don’t put any money on it.
19 Jul 2012, 13:46 pm
@Xkreni-WP(Xkreni-WP)-16: P*ss off Adolf Verwoed.
19 Jul 2012, 13:52 pm
@cane(cane)-19:
3.8 to 1 is not very good odds to start with anyway though.
being underdogs, rank outsiders, having a whole new team, suffering jetlag and also playing away from home in the saders backyard to boot you’d think the bookies coulda been a little more generous towards the bulls
maybe they see something others dont…
19 Jul 2012, 13:57 pm
The Stormers and the Bulls are going to lose.. The referee’s won’t allow a another Japie team to go to the semi’s. Besides Richie McCaw cannot do anything wrong in the eyes of referee’s. The Bulls would have to be twice as good as the Saders in order to stand a chance against the referee. The same goes for the drainfish.
19 Jul 2012, 13:57 pm
@cane(cane)-19: I actually put money on it. R1000 bucks set to make me R24000.00 richer.
If not.
Well its tax season over here after all…
19 Jul 2012, 14:01 pm
@wait for it, wait for it…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-21:
“Those Pricks”, (The Bookies), are never generous Bakkies.
They are not sportsman.
They are Accountants.
19 Jul 2012, 14:01 pm
Are gambling expenses tax deductible?
19 Jul 2012, 14:03 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-23:
Good luck Taa………………………………………………………………………I do hope you are currently in credit with your Tax Dept.
8)
19 Jul 2012, 14:04 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-25: \
In Hell they are.
19 Jul 2012, 14:06 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-25: Nope.
But you’re not seriously gonna lump it under “gambling expenses”, are you?
Ive said too much.
You and I will both be audited this year.
19 Jul 2012, 14:06 pm
@scrumchum(phearlessphred)-22:
“…………………. Besides Richie McCaw cannot do anything wrong in the eyes of referee’s”
That’s because Ritchie is a living breathing Saint.
19 Jul 2012, 14:07 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-23:
where are you betting?
those are good odds
@cane(cane)-24:
true cane
but then its more to my point if so
it suggests the bookies rate the bulls more than most?
19 Jul 2012, 14:08 pm
On a serious notes: Should the Bulls lose Ill just sell the tickets I bought for the Stormers-semi on Gumtree. At a profit, of course.
19 Jul 2012, 14:08 pm
@wait for it, wait for it…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-30: Bet is for Bulls to win the entire thing.
19 Jul 2012, 14:08 pm
There is no money to make at the play offs, only two games which are pretty much one sided, add the east bound jet lag into the mix, what would you get
If every pundit in SA will put his money on the Sharks then I am happy
The Bull game is an after thought, really, that scoundrel Peiper is too clever to risk his promising Test career to swindle it for the Bulls this time, and if the Ref isn’t there for the Bulls (and the Stormers for that matter), what would you get then?
19 Jul 2012, 14:08 pm
@wallabie.(wallabie.)-11: walla, the sharks are a dr jerkyl and mr hyde kind of team, if the sharks that played the stormers and bulls show up it is curtains for the reds, i don’t doubt it BUT if the flaky, inconsistent team that lost to the canes, lions shows up the reds will pip them.
the thing is plum himself doesn’t know which team will show up on any given day.
19 Jul 2012, 14:10 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-28:
What do you put R10,000 on the Bully Boys to win under…………………………
“Sundry Items”.
19 Jul 2012, 14:11 pm
@Tarlo(Tarlo)-15:
its about the use and in which context!!! it seems what he has said non more should be debated because that is what it is going to be…because he said it!!
19 Jul 2012, 14:13 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-25:
i understand its not?
but you do have to pay tax on ‘earnings’ if you’re a professional gambler but not if you’re a hobbyist.
19 Jul 2012, 14:13 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-28:
Please man.
Audit and be damned.
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-31:
If Captain Cunteye du Fuckadilly tries to by them don’t accept a cheque.
Slegs kontant.
19 Jul 2012, 14:13 pm
@wallabie.(wallabie.)-36:
Yes the tribe has spoken!
Finish and klaar…
19 Jul 2012, 14:14 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-34: That is very true…When the Sharks are at their best, even they can beat the Saders away from home. But on their worst day, like the mentioned Lions game we will be eaten, by…well…the Lions. So hopefully will see a Sharks side in Brisbane ready to piss off 50 000 Ausies!!
19 Jul 2012, 14:14 pm
@cane(cane)-35:
Under Charitable Donations
19 Jul 2012, 14:17 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-34:
the sharks that faced the bulls and stormers. the bulls were awful against the sharks and the stormers they look like they are losing momentum or need to get back into it. they just beat the rebels and their game was not convincing.
whilst the reds had most injured for the first 6 games and that momentum is with them and in the international break…they were still playing.
I unfortunately don’t think it will be the sharks on the happier side of full time. I just think they will jinx it tif they win nothing else.
anyway what I am really saying is there are many here think it is obvious that the sharks will win like it is an inheritance.
19 Jul 2012, 14:17 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-32:
oh i see
@Hondo(Hondo)-33:
he does not have to risk his test career
all he has to do is blow it honest and true
if he does this then the multiple crusader infringements/cheating/penalties should see the bulls through, provided morne is at 80% plus on the night.
of course this also requires that he refers ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to the tmo at all
19 Jul 2012, 14:17 pm
@Gumboots(Gumboots)-39:
right got it!!!
19 Jul 2012, 14:20 pm
@wallabie.(wallabie.)-44:
Your money on the Reds mate! X-kreni doesn’t like that word… The word is not money or Reds by the way…
19 Jul 2012, 14:22 pm
Adam Scott on course for a 63. Flippen helpers delpers that is a fantastic score… Lawrie 65!!! Wow the course must be playing easy…
19 Jul 2012, 14:23 pm
No wind.
19 Jul 2012, 14:25 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-47:
Can only be! I see Tim shot a six over. Ernie 2 under after 16.
19 Jul 2012, 14:28 pm
@wait for it, wait for it…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-21:
4:1 is about right, I’ll put my money on the Bulls though
the Reds at 4:7 is complementary for the Sharks who are without Lambie and Styen and with Albert hardly having 40 minutes in him
19 Jul 2012, 14:31 pm
@Hondo(Hondo)-49:
I never knowingly waste my money – but it is yours so go ahead…
19 Jul 2012, 14:32 pm
@wait for it, wait for it…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-43:
Peiper is a clever one (a barister), but he bent several Super Rugby games this season for the Stormers and for the Bulls
Not this time though, he is under the Micro now
19 Jul 2012, 14:33 pm
@Gumboots(Gumboots)-45:
Both teams having momentum more so with the reds as they have not lost their last 6 games..if I am not mistaken.
I think Reds – home ground advantage and not travelling! Sharks are not going next door!
14 hours then at least a two hour wait in Sydney and then into QLD…to contend with queenslanders!!!
19 Jul 2012, 14:34 pm
@Hondo(Hondo)-51:
I rate that boy very good ref.
19 Jul 2012, 14:35 pm
@Hondo(Hondo)-51:
I would have preferred Peyper to ref the Reds than Kaplan…I think Kaplan is going to add his medicine to this game!!!
19 Jul 2012, 14:42 pm
It will be lovely if the Bulls can beat the cheating Crusaders and the Sharks the Reds.
To my mind that would be fair.
19 Jul 2012, 14:43 pm
@Hondo(Hondo)-49:
or you could make a combonation bet and get even better odds
i think i will
19 Jul 2012, 14:44 pm
combonation = combination
19 Jul 2012, 14:44 pm
@wallabie.(wallabie.)-52:
Rabid Banana Benders.
Scary stuff.
8)
19 Jul 2012, 14:46 pm
@wallabie.(wallabie.)-54:
Kaplan is honest, can make mistakes and guilty of stopping the game often when other let it go but doesn’t bend results!
A rare comodity ine today’s rugby
Peiper isn’t honest, I made some good money on him predicting CORRECTLY that he will win few matches for the Stormers and the Bulls, matches they should have lost, he is sound technically but will carry out whatever SARU instructed him. This time however his Test career is on the line, the Saders are the darling of NZ and any cheat by Peiper will raise some hell, he knows that too.
19 Jul 2012, 14:49 pm
@wait for it, wait for it…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-56:
Tried it, the odds are too straight forward, I’d better go for an upset
19 Jul 2012, 14:52 pm
Well done Ernie 67 certainly puts you in contention. Only 3 behind at the moment…
19 Jul 2012, 14:52 pm
@scrumchum(phearlessphred)-22: Dickwad – the Stormers are already in the semi-final, courtesy of their Nr 1 log ranking. Even the cheating antipodean referees cant do anything about that now. And if the Sharks beat the Reds, a South African team will be in the final too.
Catch a wake up.
19 Jul 2012, 14:53 pm
Dammit, Tim can kiss the cut goodbye with a 6 over. Was hoping the little fella would put up a good show this week. But I see Martin Kaymer and Darren Clarke have joined him on 6 over.
19 Jul 2012, 14:55 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-63:
Ja 6 under leads and being 6 over he is going to need a miracle round tomorrow. But we know things only get tougher…
19 Jul 2012, 14:56 pm
@Gumboots(Gumboots)-61: I see Thomas Aiken is also on 3 under and still has 5 holes to play. Richard Sterne also below par (for now).
Louis, Retief, Jbe and Andrew Georgiou (who the hell is he?) must still tee off.
19 Jul 2012, 14:59 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-65:
Are you watching? I have no idea of condions. Gunts said no wind so that is a plus. Afternoon starts are the tough ones usually. The wind tends to come up then. Thomas is playing well. We used to scores over par winning, so yes the better your start the better your chances.
I have no idea who Andrew Georgiou is and don’t know how he qualified either…
19 Jul 2012, 15:03 pm
@Gumboots(Gumboots)-66: No, saw a bit over lunch – it’s on elsewhere in our building – and the conditions looked cloudy but quiet. Now I’m just following the leaderboard on The Open website.
19 Jul 2012, 15:04 pm
Grace worth a flutter.
Given how many recent majors have been won by first timers.
Proteas wilting.
19 Jul 2012, 15:05 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-67:
Ja same! My favourite Open. Will be sitting in front of telly surfing like crazy this weekend. Golf, Rugby, Cricket…
19 Jul 2012, 15:07 pm
@Gumboots(Gumboots)-69: My wife can’t understand it, but I could easily watch every minute of all 4 days of The Open.
19 Jul 2012, 15:07 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-68:
My mate plays the SA Senior Circuit and says Coetzee is the one to watch… Grace is a good golfer, but still think Oosthuizen our best bet… Ernie is not putting well enough to be a contender…
19 Jul 2012, 15:08 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-70:
I can too. I love it. When that wind starts blowing and they start scrambling… Man nothing better…
19 Jul 2012, 15:11 pm
By the way how come steyn did not get cited…he should get 5 weeks! His tackle was worse than digbys a few rounds back.
19 Jul 2012, 15:12 pm
Indeed.
The odds on Grace will make it interesting.
Louis is probably our best hope.
But I would love Ernie to do it one last time.
19 Jul 2012, 15:12 pm
@wallabie.(wallabie.)-73:
Cause he got an automatic three match suspension!
19 Jul 2012, 15:16 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-70: @Gumboots(Gumboots)-72:
Only those who have followed the little ball can really understand.
Rugby is the greatest Team Sport. (some think).
but Golf is the greatest game ………………………..EVER.
19 Jul 2012, 15:16 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-68: Yes. Rather him than that evil hobbit, Jbe.
19 Jul 2012, 15:16 pm
@Gumboots(Gumboots)-75:
What 3 weeks rest because he cannot play.
It should be when he is available for selection thats when players serve their suspension.
19 Jul 2012, 15:17 pm
@Gumboots(Gumboots)-46: par 70
19 Jul 2012, 15:17 pm
@cane(cane)-76:
Even just to watch it,
is like therapy.
19 Jul 2012, 15:18 pm
@cane(cane)-76: Amen to that, brother. Let us pray. Our father who art in heaven, why did I take driver on the last hole?
19 Jul 2012, 15:18 pm
@cane(cane)-76:
I have to agree 100% Cane! The Open is one very special tournament – things can change drastically for you in one hole…
19 Jul 2012, 15:20 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-74: Ernie, Louis or Charl are probably good bets.
But a spare little buffalo or three on Brandon could be interesting.
19 Jul 2012, 15:20 pm
@shooter(shooter)-79:
Yep
19 Jul 2012, 15:21 pm
@Hondo(Hondo)-59: kaplan honest se moer! 2/3 years ago kaplan was the toast of the town but no he is a bungler of note, see six nations irish vs wales last year!
like i said yesterday he is a “momentum” referee…did you see him block chris eaton from taclking kerr-barlow and THEN saying, “you weren’t going to get to him”
19 Jul 2012, 15:24 pm
Aiken has dropped one back to 2 under with 4 to play. Charl has climbed to 1 under with 2 to play. Coetzee is even par after 8.
19 Jul 2012, 15:25 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-86:
Yes and Woods from 5 under to 3 under… with one hole to play
19 Jul 2012, 15:25 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-83:
Exactly the odds would make Grace interesting.
Maybe even the tief he’s been there and there abouts.
19 Jul 2012, 15:27 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-88:
Retief is struggling lately… I wouldn’t mind him showing up too…
19 Jul 2012, 15:28 pm
Woods 67.
19 Jul 2012, 15:29 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-70:
Your wife has a good point.
Golf… Bowls……. jukskei………, fark, I rather paint a wall or listen to the greatest hits of Jim Reeves before watching more than a minute of it. The only exciting golfer ever was John Daley- at least there was always a possibility that he could knock someones head off with either a golf ball or a club
19 Jul 2012, 15:30 pm
Louis Oestyzin hoping the wind picks up tomorrow – pulls out a 56.
Btw, his namesake Tommy the TommyGun Oooeeeestyzin making quite a name for himself too.
19 Jul 2012, 15:33 pm
@shooter(shooter)-92: tommy gun’s sparirng partner is said to be his cousin doodpoes!
19 Jul 2012, 15:33 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-91: you’ll love curling
19 Jul 2012, 15:35 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-93: Slight advantage in the reach department there for ol’ Tommy
19 Jul 2012, 15:38 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-91: @shooter(shooter)-94: and Jason Dufner
19 Jul 2012, 15:38 pm
Tahir should get them on the front.
The wicket is flat as fark.
19 Jul 2012, 15:39 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-91: that’s like watching a whole stage of the tour de france, incredulous!
8)
@shooter(shooter)-95: doodpoes makes up for it with sheer dom krag.
19 Jul 2012, 15:45 pm
Indeed.
The only interesting part of the Snore de France is when they crash.
19 Jul 2012, 15:46 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-98: watch for it when he goes into tommygun-mode. Brian the machine en Vollies in your corner can help a long way.
steek hom.
the inbetween rounds corner speak is about equally entertaining as the fight.
19 Jul 2012, 15:51 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-91:
ahhhh jim reeves
good times
good times
19 Jul 2012, 15:53 pm
We need a wicket.
19 Jul 2012, 15:53 pm
Jim Reeves! Now I know your age… mid 80′s… LOL
19 Jul 2012, 15:54 pm
They better get Cook out very soon because a ton is not good enough for him.
And Trott’s got one of those faces you just want to PK.
19 Jul 2012, 15:54 pm
Jimmy Reeves is a motherfuckin genus.
Second only to Hank Williams.
19 Jul 2012, 15:54 pm
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-102:
I get really peed when Smith goes around that we are hunting the number 1 position and BOOM.
Haven’t been watching but seems it is the N1 highway…
19 Jul 2012, 15:56 pm
@shooter(shooter)-100: harolt volbrecht was interviewed recently by robert marawa on his radio show in the “legends” segment! what an interesting character! his stories were funny as hell. he said of all his family members the one that encouraged him to box vehemently was his mom, he said the lady was tough and she used to go to all his fights.
an enjoyable interview, i had tears in my eyes with laughter when he told stories of him and his stable mates used to go to tembisa and other townships and get into kak…
19 Jul 2012, 15:59 pm
South Africans look flat.
Expected us to be much more aggressive.
19 Jul 2012, 16:00 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-105: As opposed to being from a similar species than the rest of us?
19 Jul 2012, 16:13 pm
@Gumboots(Gumboots)-106:
It’s looking like a draw is on the cards but we haven’t bowled consistently well, a couple of good balls have been followed up with a freebie!
19 Jul 2012, 16:15 pm
ricky fowler is a chop.
19 Jul 2012, 16:22 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-111: Indeed. Someone should pin him down and cut that stupid mop that sticks out of that stupid hat.
19 Jul 2012, 16:24 pm
That’s trailer park chic.
A consequence of having 7 Tv’s in your mobile home.
19 Jul 2012, 16:25 pm
I see Kings Park is up in smoke, now the Sharks have no choice but to move to the Moses Mabhida Stadium, The Lord works in mysterious ways…
19 Jul 2012, 16:25 pm
katman
john daly is the man to do that and get the saffas to give him a couple of double step pk’s to adjust his attitude.
19 Jul 2012, 16:26 pm
xhosa
two suites burnt
get over yourself
19 Jul 2012, 16:27 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-113: You saying Hurricane sports a Bieberbob too?
19 Jul 2012, 16:29 pm
Relax, those are corporate entertainment suites, Xhosa, not Armanis.
19 Jul 2012, 16:30 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-115: Lee Westwood looks like a man who can hand out a solid flattie and still smile about it. Maybe he should have a word with young Ricky.
19 Jul 2012, 16:31 pm
katman one of the main reasons they wont move to moses is because of parking,lack of outfields to braai and moses has less suites.
kings parkis paid off aswell.
simple
19 Jul 2012, 16:31 pm
@XhosaKid(XhosaKid)-114:
We’ve discussed that.
I have phoned the police and sent them to Robert McBrides house.
The powers that be at Moses must be getting pretty desperate.
Time to pay the piper.
19 Jul 2012, 16:32 pm
katman
ernie is also a big bloke
daly would bring that flattie in from way back,similiar to his swing.
19 Jul 2012, 16:37 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-116: Its 2 suites now, wait until the OHC, City engineers all the bureaucrats start refusing to release safety certificates, wait until you see how the council frustrates the living daylights out of the Sharks…
19 Jul 2012, 16:37 pm
Hahaha Skittlesticks and GuntherGoebbelsytwatgokfsticks…
Fuckadilly is going to kick his dog when he reads this.
Perhaps, given that the sun is briefly shining in England, this is the time to start discussing the best cheats Pimms recipes?
19 Jul 2012, 16:39 pm
Hope JC and Vrede are right that Sharks win this. It could go either way, but Sharks have a damn good chance of beating the Reds on Saturday. Sure we may be a bit tired from the travel, but not hectic so.
19 Jul 2012, 16:40 pm
xhosa i know for a fact of 2suites that the sharks use as classrooms for the academy,they can always just give those to replace the damaged ones.
as you were
19 Jul 2012, 16:43 pm
Eng 158-1
If we don’t take a wicket soon, we either going to draw this test or get a mighty klap from England. Thought by now we would have had a few more wickets.
See Ernie played well this morning in the open.
19 Jul 2012, 16:46 pm
Brian van Zyl, Sharks CEO reported that, “The extent of the damage is minimal. The stadium and the rest of the suites and stands have not been affected. It will be business as usual for us as we are hosting the junior Sharks games here on Friday afternoon, when The Sharks U19 and U21s will play against the Free State.”
The cause of the fire is not known at this stage and a full investigation will take place. As soon as additional information is gathered and the finding of the origin of the blaze is established, a further statement will be issued.
Van Zyl continued to say, “We appreciate all of the calls and concerns from the public and we wish to compliment the Durban Central Fire Department for responding within minutes and doing an excellent job in extinguishing the fire”.
19 Jul 2012, 16:46 pm
Don’t say that.
Xhosakid was hoping to pick up the demo tender.
19 Jul 2012, 16:47 pm
@Gumboots(Gumboots)-103:
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-105:
19 Jul 2012, 16:57 pm
See Sadie is on the verge of leaving the Bulls. Bulls have given him the green light to look elsewhere. According to SuperSport.
19 Jul 2012, 16:59 pm
br careful with your phones people:
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Woman-loses-R800-000-in-phone-banking-scam-20120719
19 Jul 2012, 17:03 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-128: We can rule out the Sharks backline as suspects. They haven’t sparked anything for a while.
19 Jul 2012, 17:05 pm
AHA, there we are, when adongo left earlier the quota tag surfaced!
19 Jul 2012, 17:05 pm
Schwartzel ended on 1 under, Aiken on 2 under and Ernie on 3 under.
Sterne has just moved up to 2 under with a few holes to play, and Kruger is on one under after just 2 holes. So we might have a few below par overnight.
19 Jul 2012, 17:07 pm
katman tomorrow is important for players wanting to make the cut and also be in with a shout on the final two days.
19 Jul 2012, 17:08 pm
Dom kop Ludekak is clueless as to what to do with the players assembled EXPENSIVELY!!!
19 Jul 2012, 17:11 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-137: If he had a whole bunch of underperforming Eastern Cape players there you would think he’s the best coach in the world.
And listen, the Kings will never smell a Super rugby title or a position in the top 6 of the log. So rather leave the Bulls comments. They have earned their respect.
19 Jul 2012, 17:14 pm
@Dusky(Dusky)-138: lol, your dagga smoking days are catching up with dusky
19 Jul 2012, 17:14 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-107: was out for awhile there. yes -truly he is a legend. LOL. go mother Volbrecht.
Read Brian Mitchell’s biography awhile ago. THE ultimate professional and super human humble guy.
Defended his title 13 times. Each time away from SA – in the time of the big A off course.
With zef-factor that you can’t buy or fake in tons.
19 Jul 2012, 17:16 pm
@Dusky(Dusky)-138: what was ludekak’s super rugby record before being appointed by the Bulls in ’08 mr-know-it-all backyard breker?
19 Jul 2012, 17:26 pm
Iwicket uttotti!
19 Jul 2012, 17:31 pm
@Bagel(Bagel)-20:
Come hre you little f a g and let me ram my scwanstucke up you lily white a rse.
I will teach you to say sieg heil and seperate development in all 11 languages
Fckun Gwantie junior….
19 Jul 2012, 18:50 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-128:
Investigation?
The police is still ‘investigating’ a rape case by a Junior AB, and last I heard they are still looking into fresh leads in Solly T case
We all know too well who set the fire at Kings Park
20 Jul 2012, 02:31 am
144 a referee?
20 Jul 2012, 07:35 am
I want to say that I would like the Sharks to win because I perceive the Sharks as a lesser of a threat then the Saders at Newlands, but I don’t care, Stormers need to take their balls out of their purses nad give WHOEVER comes to Newlands a beating of a lifetime!
Goodluck Bulls and Sharkies, hope you make SA proud, but in the end the Stormers are ready for all comers!
20 Jul 2012, 07:38 am
backdoor boy if the saders go to newlands they will have more supporters at the game.
20 Jul 2012, 08:04 am
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-147: Hey chop, nope their just louder, because they are attention seekers like yourself.
20 Jul 2012, 08:17 am
Backdoor boy should you not be at the salon already?
Rhetorical question.
Backspitting queen.
20 Jul 2012, 08:51 am
Elton Jantjies is arguably our best 1st 5-8
He has the kicking ability, distribution and creativity.
But the thing that sets him apart is his cool and sleek hairstyle; actually the more I think about he is our best 10, no doubt!!
20 Jul 2012, 08:57 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-150: I happen to agree with you on that. Not the hairstyle but the talent part.
For me he’s the best attacking flyhalf we have, and that is something you cannot coach IMO. It either comes naturally or it doesn’t.
Goosen may yet become a regular Bok player but for me at the moment, Elton deserves a chance.
20 Jul 2012, 09:01 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-151:
Few would have noticed the monster ball and all tackle he did on Morné Steyn the incumbent Bok 10!
He stopped him dead in his tracks.
His cool hairstyle is just the cherry on the cake for me …
20 Jul 2012, 09:04 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-152: Ja I posted a couple of years ago on this site that I believed that Elton would wear the Springbok 10 jersey before Pat Lambie.
Technically I was right. Pat played flyhalf for the Boks before him but came on as a sub so didn’t wear 10.
Elton was the first to wear 10.
With a solid back and good scrumhalf service Elton could really dominate.
20 Jul 2012, 09:07 am
‘back = pack
20 Jul 2012, 09:14 am
One inevitably wonders if Pat Lambie had the kicking record and creative skills of Jantjies whether he would have been afforded more opportunities?
I think so.
If Morne or Hougaard mess up they think: he is just having a bad day; if Jantjies’ has a ball charged down they think: you see, he is not ready yet
20 Jul 2012, 09:20 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-155: I’m not going there. I personally think that Pat is avery good player and one of his strongest points is that he makes very few mistakes. Fewer than Elton.
Elton though can bring that extra 5% with ball in hand at 10 that Pat can’t.
That’s my view anyway.
20 Jul 2012, 09:23 am
Re Sadie:
16.Transformation:
19 Jul 2012, 17:48 pm @Blokkies(Blokkies)-12: @victoriabok(victoriabok)-13: johan sadie: “i must START, i deserve it” and some here thought entitlement was the monopoly of POCs…
134.Transformation:
19 Jul 2012, 17:05 pm AHA, there we are, when adongo left earlier the quota tag surfaced!
Chip on your shoulder about race, fish?
20 Jul 2012, 09:24 am
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-149: Yo “Fern….is merely a chop”, aren’t you late for your Bigots Anonymous meeting followed by your spooning session with your secret man love afterwards?
20 Jul 2012, 09:30 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-156:
It’s ok, I will go there.
See the reason I touch on this topic is as it is at the heart of the problem of SA rugby. We have seemingly been unable to produce creative 10 and 12′s.
You will see that 10 -12 axis for the Crusaders will win the game for them; it’s the creative axis and that’s where you need to breach.
Our problem is that we continue to think that we need more power and speed to win tight games. We don’t. We are on par with the best. But we do lack creativity/ x factor – we don’t value creativity and skills because we don’t understand it…
20 Jul 2012, 09:32 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-155: well, jantjies doesn’t come with glowing endorsements from fourie du preez that he is the next best thing
20 Jul 2012, 09:35 am
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-157: hehehe how hackneyed…
the people i was talking to know exactly what i’m talking about, do yourself a favour and go to the “bulls release adongo” thread and get context my fuzzybunny
i’m in your head boytjie tl tl tl
20 Jul 2012, 09:40 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-161: oohh you were “taken out of context”?
Typical response of the exposed racist.
Lol.
20 Jul 2012, 09:41 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-159: well creativity and x-factor at 10-12 requires fearlessness and a positive mindset. most of our combos play the ‘safe game” – the less adventurous i am, the less mistakes i’m bound to make”
20 Jul 2012, 09:42 am
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-162: yawn
20 Jul 2012, 09:44 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-160:
I had the opportunity to go to one of the local (white and afrik) schools here the other day and thus saw a bit of the coaching done on these boereseuns.
Now from what I’ve seen, we will always be competitive, the biggest and tallest but we will not be world beaters.
Ag I’m tired of Fourie du Preez’s Affies rugby and Victor Matfield’s Pietersburg rugby. Just because they get to ‘draai Heyneke’s vleis op die kole’ does not mean that they have the answers for SA rugby
We need a fresh approach: flair , creativity, skill is the way forward
20 Jul 2012, 09:48 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-165: Exactly, we need boys with those qualities, and teach them to read the game better, make lightning fast decisions and use speed and athleticism to cut opponents to shreds. Jantjies, De Jongh, Johan Goosen, Mvovo, JJ Engelbrecht, Sadie and the like all have the natural talent to play that way……
20 Jul 2012, 09:50 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-163:
Or differently stated: confidence in your own ability
You also do what you believe in your heart, let me explain. If you believe that the way you will beat the defender is to run ‘through or over’ him you have a fundamental problem.
However if you believe that if you can manipulate the defence or deceive your opponent then you will explore avenues along those lines. You will keep him guessing and that in itself create the opportunity.
I think it’s pretty obvious that that’s the way the Kiwis play the game. They know they have to match you physically but their primary objective is to beat you with skill, it is deeply burnt into their psyches
20 Jul 2012, 09:57 am
@Atreides(Atreides)-166:
Here’s the problem:
* Jake White believed we should focus on our TRADITIONAL strengths (read bigger and stronger and take penalties); huge fans of VM and FdP
* Peter de Villiers wanted to play total rugby (and the Kiwis noticed it quickly) but Fourie du Preez and Victor Matfield usurped and undermined him and forced the Bulls style on the Boks
Now remember Fourie and Victor are disciples of Heyneke Meyer
* And now we have the man himself as coach
So for 12 years we have this unattractive, conservative and one dimensional Rugbysh ® (combo of rugby and rubbish)
20 Jul 2012, 10:03 am
@Atreides(Atreides)-166: Bring in a few league coaches. Our coaches don’t quite ‘get’ skill……..and for some reason think it is overrated.
This is why I hoped for a breath of fresh air in the Bok coaching setup – but no……
The hassle in SA is: Kids have to conform from a young age to the so-called ‘way we play rugby in SA’. The biggest kids are selected at schools, and the smaller kids hit the roids and gym to try and fit in (instead of focusing on their strengths..)
Jaque Potgieter is the poster child of the ‘SA rugby way”. *rollingeyesrollingeyesrollingeyes*
Conform, fit in, and you will be selected. If you have skill – it WILL be coached out of you. You have a rugby brain – you WILL be lobotomized so that you buy in to the ‘SA way’ of playing.
And now we have the Bok coach telling every young player that Morne Steyn is a national warrior and the 10 to lead the way…..and that small = BAD, and big and dumb = GOOD.
Game over.
20 Jul 2012, 14:36 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-169: You must be the wise intellegent man SA rugby is looking for.
Why did Meyer appoint Louden in his time and why did he learn about USA conditioning techniques? If he was so narrow minded, surely Louden would have said no to work for him. If Jake was so narrow minded, surely Eddie Jones would have said no. The only person nobody wanted to work for was de Villiers as he wanted one style, but was forced into a style that delivered for two years.
We all know such a system is not a long term solution as the architects (if they are players) will have to be dropped at some stage, and they cannot keep an eye on changing trends.
20 Jul 2012, 14:42 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-168: So for 12 years we have this unattractive, conservative and one dimensional Rugbysh…that actually delivered. 1 World Cup win. 2 Tri Nations wins. a British and Irish Lions win. 3 consecutive wins against New Zealand. Which other teams have done that against NZ over the past 20 years?
Sure, I want us to be as good as NZ, but the last 8 years was way better than 1999-2003, which was the Stormers/ Corne Krige era.
20 Jul 2012, 15:19 pm
@Horings(Horings)-171:
Good to see that Rugbysh resonated with you
20 Jul 2012, 15:34 pm
We dont need to reinvent the wheel under Meyer to get close to a 70 % return like Mallet had. Our rugby in the first 20 of the second test vs England was just fine. Good basic skills, effective recycling and quick ball and utilising our powerful strike runners. We just need some consistency now and for Meyer to ditch the limited guys in the team who have been holding us back for so long especially Spoes and Mourn Stain.
A guy like Goosen is just the tonic many of us have been waiting for. A natural ballplayer and playmaker at pivot will make a massive difference for us. His all-round game is great already and he hit the ground running in Soup rugby before his injury. We’re bit light at centre but could be interesting with a guy like Serfontenin coming through and FSteyn still youngish.
Also looking forward to seeing backrows like the following for the RC
6.Brussow/Coetzee
7.Alberts
8Vermuelen
or
6.Brussow/Coetzee
7.Burger
8.Alberts
20 Jul 2012, 15:50 pm
@Spiesisworthless1(Spiesisworthless1)-173: We don’t need to reinvent the wheel, but we need to stop being predictable.
20 Jul 2012, 16:50 pm
I think Goosen is Meyer choice for the future.
Although I still consider Lambie most talented 10 we have.
20 Jul 2012, 16:56 pm
Genia will win the game for the Reds.
Liam Gill cause Natal many problems at breakdown
20 Jul 2012, 17:14 pm
sharksU19 31-9 Cheetahs U19 with 18 min to go
20 Jul 2012, 17:18 pm
so far young Sharks have scored 5 tries to Young Cheetahs 3 penalties
20 Jul 2012, 18:45 pm
latest SharksU21 vs Cheetahs U21 21-6
20 Jul 2012, 19:00 pm
latest SharksU21 vs Cheetahs U21 24-6 all points to Fred Zeilinga , 10 min to go
20 Jul 2012, 19:14 pm
Good results for my young Sharks today
U19 Sharks won 38-16 and U21 Sharks won 31-9
20 Jul 2012, 19:15 pm
Let’s be honest. The Crusaders and the Reds should both win.
Whilst anything can happen on the day I’m not really getting my hopes up for South African upset wins as the sheer weight of history is against them (home teams hardly ever lose home playoffs).
Both these teams could have done better in the regular season and could have ensured home playoffs.
Good luck to the Bulls and Sharks for tomorrow.
20 Jul 2012, 19:16 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-180: @sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-177: very promising for the Sharks youth.
20 Jul 2012, 19:21 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-183: Hiyas Woody, yeah some good feedback re the games
under 19′s were full of running
Under 21′s scored 1 try, rest of the points was Zeilinga
Cheetahs under 21′s were according to the reports playing dirty and also received a RC in the 78th min *** well as playing spoiling rugby, a bit surprising as the Cheetahs always play a nice brand of rugby
20 Jul 2012, 19:21 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-181:
YOUR young Sharks? Are you the mommy or the daddy?
20 Jul 2012, 19:31 pm
@David(David)-185: don’t be a pedantic Stormertwat.
20 Jul 2012, 19:38 pm
make that the Grand Pappy
20 Jul 2012, 19:41 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-186: its fine boet, davey crocket is ok
btw Ernie finished 3 under
20 Jul 2012, 19:45 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-186:
And don’t be a humorless Sharks idiot.
20 Jul 2012, 19:48 pm
@David(David)-189: can only have humour for something humorous….
20 Jul 2012, 19:48 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-187:
Does your wife know?
Seriously, I hope your progeny do well tomorrow against the Reds.
20 Jul 2012, 19:51 pm
@David(David)-191: ty old bean
20 Jul 2012, 19:54 pm
EP Kings leading Border Bulldogs by 21 – 5 at halftime- Quite an entertaining game, a bit unstructered though – a small but loud EP crowd (band and all) seems to have a good time. Luke Watson is having a good comeback, scoring the first try of the match.
20 Jul 2012, 19:55 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-190:
Considering that my comment wasn’t directed to you, I fail to understand your intervention. Or are you one of those people who feel that your opinion is vital to any conversation?
20 Jul 2012, 20:04 pm
@David(David)-194: kiddy humour David, kiddy humour.
20 Jul 2012, 20:07 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-195:
In which case, I forgive you.
20 Jul 2012, 20:19 pm
No Boks in the Currie Cup again this year ? Lions could very possibly retain their title.
Sharks might have to play some of their younger guys from the U21 group. That’s what makes the Currie Cup interesting though….
20 Jul 2012, 20:22 pm
@Dusky(Dusky)-197:
It also makes the CC less relevant as our premier competition compared to the S15 conference.
20 Jul 2012, 20:27 pm
@David(David)-198: Oh ja – the concept of the Currie Cup has definitely changed, but that was inevitable with the onset of the professional era and Super rugby. It still doesn’t fail to excite when it comes to semi-final time. You just have to hang around here and read some of the comments to know that. I certainly know it still holds value for me.
I see the Sharks U19 and U21 both had good starts against the Cheetahs. This is good news. Although I have lost touch somewhat and dont recognise most of the names on the team sheets – I think it does open the door for us to see some new players for the Sharks in the Currie Cup this year.
There are some promising names, like Gouws Prinsloo and we should see more of Jordaan as well. Should be good. Not quite the old power struggle that we had in the old days, but still worth it.
20 Jul 2012, 20:28 pm
@David(David)-198: I also wonder how much longer Plumtree will hang around. It feels like forever that he has been the Sharks coach now.
20 Jul 2012, 20:40 pm
@David(David)-198: I also think the relevance of the Currie Cup will be underlined with a big fat stripe if the Lions as defending champions are relegated from Super rugby.
Kind of puts things in perspective that its Super rugby that the Kings have gone to straight off the bat, instead of first pushing to be included in the Currie Cup. So, Currie Cup not seen as a stepping stone at all.
20 Jul 2012, 20:44 pm
@Dusky(Dusky)-201: dusky remember also our under 21′s had 5 players out for todays match
20 Jul 2012, 20:48 pm
was gonna say, and still had a good victory
the 5 mentioned is,PSDT, Jordaan, Peet Marais,Reinach and Coetzee, although because of their good play they now play in the seniors Reinach i think will be the 4th junior to force his way up as our reserve scrummy
20 Jul 2012, 20:57 pm
@Dusky(Dusky)-201:
I disagree about the Lions. They have the benefit of attracting players because of their franchise. Something the Kings provinces haven’t had. So it’s unfair to match the two in their current situation.
You just need to look at how many players would leave the Lions if they lose their Franchise status to appreciate the handicap the Kings provinces labour under without a franchise.
It’s good to see the Sharks developing their youngsters, which is how it should be.
20 Jul 2012, 21:05 pm
Anyway, I’m out of here.
20 Jul 2012, 21:15 pm
@David(David)-204: Dude, all the arguments the Kings have about opportunities etc. make reasonable sense. This much I would concede, however – none of those arguments make any sense from a sporting perspective.
If Oscar Pistorius had his legs – would he qualify for the able bodied Olympics ? Probably – But you dont see him being rewarded for something he doesn’t currently posses – through misfortune or otherwise. He cant run the times so he is not included. Simple as that. There are better runners than him as he is currently.
Whatever the reasons the Kings have been ‘disadvantaged’ and if their opportunities have really been fewer than the Lions then address those reasons. That is the solution, and not to summarily and forcefully promote them into a SPORTING competition where the goal is to be competitive and therein doing, deliver entertainment.
The Kings will not be competitive – we all know that as they do. Otherwise they would be prepared to play a promotion/relegation playoff, but truth be told they could not beat either the Lions or the Rebels. And the only entertainment we will get will be the massive scores that will get piled up against them.
As I have said all along. South Africans cant help themselves but buy into this entitlement nonsense. It is programmed into our brains now in all facets of life, but I am very disappointed in the antipodean component of SANZAR for allowing this. It devalues the competition, and gives the South African teams an unfair advantage because our conference with a weakling like the Kings will become by far the easiest in the competition. I am amazed they allowed it.
This is SPORT ! Don’t forget that guys !
20 Jul 2012, 21:28 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-202: I didn’t know. Looking quite good for the future so far.
21 Jul 2012, 06:09 am
Crusaders up against 16 , they’ll still give the cavemen a good beating tonight though.
The assertion that Peyper is the “right fit” for the Crusaders-Bulls finals is even more ludicrous. Peyper is promising but overrated. He was the referee at Pretoria when two Bulls alleged they were eye-gouged by Crusaders players. Not a shred of evidence was brought forward to justify the allegations. SANZAR has white-washed some unacceptable gamesmanship by the Bulls. The allegations came when the Crusaders were well on top in the match. After the allegations, the tide of the game changed. On the back of eight successful penalties out of 10 attempts kicked by Morne Steyn, the Bulls won 32-30. There was also a controversial and wrong shepherding decision by Peyper (on advice of an assistant referee) overruling a Crusaders try near the end.
21 Jul 2012, 08:31 am
@NZINCHINA-208:
thought only saffas complained about refs?
21 Jul 2012, 08:33 am
@Dusky(Dusky)-207: for sure dusky, you have a no of very yoiung players come through in the senior team, this bodes well for the future, and dont throw away young Nick Schonert who is also 20 and a very strong prop
21 Jul 2012, 08:46 am
@charo-209:
Saffa’s do 99% of all ref complaining, this was written in an Australian newspaper
21 Jul 2012, 08:53 am
@NZINCHINA-211: “Blackadder has already pleaded his side’s case by stating his props have been instructed at training not to put their hands on the deck during scrums and anyone entering a ruck needs to be cautious about remaining on his feet. ”
Looks like we complain with reason, no? Someone up there must’ve just joined the Keo realm, as it took them long enough. You watch Hougaard having to negate alot of red and black bodies to get to the ball on his side of the ruck. We’ll talk after…
21 Jul 2012, 08:56 am
@UptheGuts-212:
yip and you watch Hoggaard put the ball under the 2nd row at scrum time, you must miss that part of his game
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