Sinclair to stay on at WP
2 Aug 2012
Canadian international Jebb Sinclair will play for Western Province in the Currie Cup.
Sinclair was utilised in the Stormers’ recent Super Rugby campaign, although his late arrival meant he was ineligible for the semi-final against the Sharks. Nevertheless, he has remained in Cape Town and coach Allister Coetzee told Die Burger that he will feature for WP in the Currie Cup.
WP will open their domestic campaign with a match against the Sharks next week. Injured loose forwards Schalk Burger, Nick Koster and Duane Vermeulen are still not available, while Nizaam Carr has been ruled out for the season, and so Sinclair is likely to face the Sharks.
40 Comments
2 Aug 2012, 10:41 am
He was actually a better Dragon than I expected!
Canadian Dragon – whats that all aboot?
2 Aug 2012, 10:51 am
AC at his best. No better way to kill the ambition of club rugby players (mostly referring to SLA players) After all the hard work Dobson has done in building some depth with the vodacom team winning the vc, you’d have thought there would be some continuity.
I maintain AC is the biggest weakness in WP rugby, closely followed by Tobi Titus and Robbie Fleck.
2 Aug 2012, 10:59 am
Another thing, the fact that he’s not needed by his club in europe can only mean that he’s not that good anyway. i think his performances have shown him to be a vanilla player.
2 Aug 2012, 11:00 am
And people ask why so many youngsters move away from WP?
don’t die wondering.
you are importing canadians to play cc ?
2 Aug 2012, 11:18 am
Stocktake of current situation:
Burger- probably out for season
Koster- ditto
Carr- definitely out for season
Lobberts- out for season (broken arm)
Vermeulen- who knows, every week there ie a different story.
Fenton – left for England
Elstadt- will have to move to lock as Etzebeth/Bekker will be at boks, Roux is in Ireland.
Kitshoff- off to France
Tyrone Holmes- doubtful whether he is good enough
Don Armand- has potential.
In the light of above i dont think AC should be blamed for keeping the Canadian here for the CC season.
The flankers who left (Fenton and Kitschoff) are certainly no superstars and i don’t blame AC for not being prepared to pay big bucks to keep them in CT. Quinn Roux is another story, he should not have been “allowed” to move to Ireland as he certainly offers a lot more than journeyman Steenkamp.
2 Aug 2012, 11:21 am
@pompies2-2:
Seems you only come out once there’s a chance of knocking AC neh?
Jebb is/was an average Super Rugby player, did just enough to hold his own.
AC tried the Fenton Wells (sp?) boy and he didn’t look the part at all.
Carr, Duane, Burger & Koster are still out.
@Brigadier Van Zyl-4:
He’s there on a short stint, as soon as Koster and co come back he’ll be gone.
.
2 Aug 2012, 11:25 am
@Robzim-5:
Quin Roux is a big loss, really hope he returns to Newlands after his overseas stint.
2 Aug 2012, 11:27 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-4: The Bulls have already bought every other loose forward in SA who is able to tie his own laces and catch a ball….
I have asked 3 times already but no-one seems to know….Is Jacque Nienaber going to the Bulls as their defence coach?
2 Aug 2012, 11:27 am
@pompies2-2: @Brigadier Van Zyl-4:
All WP’s no.8′s are currently injured.
Those that are likely to come back soon (Schalk and Vermeulen) are likely to be part of bok squad.
WP’s current development no.8 is Carr, and he’s out for the season. Their backup no8 is Koster, and he’s out for majority of season. Don Armand can play there, so in total this has the number of 8′s in the squad at 2, bolstered as the season progresses.
Any no.8 further down the development line is likely to be best served in the u20 competition. The rest are journeyman or stopgap measures.
So the decision to keep Sinclair on for the immediate future seems reasonable. WP do, after all, want to win the trophy. There’s no point in developing a player who will not be part of their plans for the next couple seasons.
2 Aug 2012, 11:28 am
@wpstormerbok-7: He really should have got more game time this year regardless. Good hands and vision for a lock as well, besides his obvious physical presence.
2 Aug 2012, 11:33 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.-10:
And with Eben on Bok duty he would’ve been the perfect player to hold the fort.
2 Aug 2012, 11:34 am
@wpstormerbok-7: He is just going for one season he will be back May next year.
I think this is the wrong decision.
Is Duane Vermeulen not fit?
Was 70% before the semi, Currie Cup starts in a weeks time, he might be ready by then.
Also why not give Don Armand or Tyrone Holmes some game time. I mean they both played in the S15 and they both played for the victorious VC team.
Also where is that coloured flanker with the mohawk…..i forget his name.
6. Holmes
7. Armand
8. Kolisi
Not a bad loose trio
coupled with
1. Kitshoff
2. Deon Fourie
3. Malherbe
4. Elstadt
5. De Kock
Bench
16. Tiaan
17. Brok
18. any youngster (not sure who is next in the pecking order)
19. ditto or Duane if he is not injured.
2 Aug 2012, 11:36 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.-10: Yes he has great skills for a lock. Do you think if he started ahead of Eben in the beginning of the season he would of made the Bok squad?
2 Aug 2012, 11:39 am
@ali-9:
Didn’t AC recently state that HM would like Schalk and Duane to initially feature in the CC before he’ll consider them for the Boks?
2 Aug 2012, 11:39 am
@wpstormerbok-7:
The last time i have heard Wagner was still “working on it” to ensure he comes back so I guess it is not more than a 50% chance.
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.-8:
I have not heard anything about it but I know that he was not overeager to renew his contract at WP earlier this season as he probably wanted to keep his options open- won’t be surprised if they bought him too. They seem to have more money to spend than Manchester City.
2 Aug 2012, 11:48 am
@Robzim-15: all that Oasis BEE money goes a long way mate…
2 Aug 2012, 11:49 am
Will he still be getting R 300 k a month?
2 Aug 2012, 11:54 am
@Sasuke-13: He and Eben were a formidable 4 and 5 combination at age group level. I thought that was the future for WP at the time. I am not an Andries Bekker praise singer, as I feel he has underachieved full stop. Be it the fault of injury or personal issues, the fact is he is becoming more of a long term liability for WP than an asset. De Kock Steenkamp is a journeyman, nothing more, and Eben at 5, with Quinn at 4 (knowing Elstadt could also fit in at 4 if required) would have been my “future”. Quinn has been wasted…and I know John Dobson (who rated Quinn and Eben as a pair very highly if I remember correctly) must be fuming. (Because I doubt Quinn will return).
@Robzim-15: The Messiah Meyer is pulling all the strings in SA rugby at the moment. The Sharkies delight at all their Boks is only temporary….. Meyer will ensure all future Boks end up in Pta (with the best coaching on defence and attack) and then he can be true to his heart and select all the Bulls on merit, as no-one will be able to argue that.
For those who do not want to see this…..dark days are coming
2 Aug 2012, 11:57 am
@David-14: Yes he did.
Which is an indication that the pair will not be present for the full duration of the CC. Someone capable has to fill in when they’re gone.
2 Aug 2012, 11:58 am
@Transformation-16: SARU payoff money….for taking the Bulls coaches. Hougaard didn’t become the highest paid player in SA on sponsorship dosh. If the Bulls hadn’t dipped into their SARU payoff slush fund, Hougaard would have moved back to CT I reckon.
Deny it Gunther?
2 Aug 2012, 12:00 pm
@ali-9: Why not identify a promising youngster in the U19 or U21 age group and give him so game time, instead of Jebb who is only going to be here a few weeks before returning for the Start of the European season.
2 Aug 2012, 12:03 pm
@ali-9: AC is ****, so i’ll voice my opinion every chance I can. You on the other hand can console yourself with the fact that your crappy coach has delivered exactly zilch. A simple alteration to the Sharks midfield flummoxed him. Until you realize that AC has serious limitations, WP will suffer.
2 Aug 2012, 12:04 pm
Hoagie isn’t the highest paid player in SA.
That award goes to a stormer and a shark.
2 Aug 2012, 12:04 pm
And I keep asking. How good is Sinclair if his club aren’t fighting to get his services back?
2 Aug 2012, 12:08 pm
Where is Jaja?
2 Aug 2012, 12:17 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-25: Hartzenberg?
@the artist formerly known as gunther-23: List your sources. Admit at the very least that without the SARU payoff money Hougie was a gonner up north
2 Aug 2012, 12:25 pm
@pompies2-24: Sinclair says it’s hard to compare
the English league to Super
Rugby, for the weather and
schedule if nothing else.
The English league is a grind,
with more games to start with
and the total growing from
various cup competitions. Plus
there is inclement weather.
Super Rugby is shorter but more
intense.
“Both leagues view themselves
as the premier leagues in the
world. But you know it’s too tough
to call really,” Sinclair said. “But
from my view of it, the first four
games with the Stormers were
faster than anything I’ve played.”
A plus of playing for the Stormers
is being based in Cape Town.
“It’s unbelievable. Nicest city I’ve
ever been to,” said Sinclair, who
returns to South Africa for five
more weeks after his current
international duty with Canada.
2 Aug 2012, 12:29 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-25: @The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.-26: Ja where is he? He is good!
Bulls at it again!
The Blue Bulls Rugby Union have pulled off another coup by signing top SA under-20 lock Paul Willemse from the Golden Lions.
2 Aug 2012, 12:32 pm
@Transformation-27: A plus of playing for the Stormers
is being based in Cape Town.
“It’s unbelievable. Nicest city I’ve
ever been to,” said Sinclair
Surely he is talking kak…. He got to see Pretoria, Durban and Bloemfontein in the S15.
2 Aug 2012, 12:33 pm
@pompies2-24: Stormers big boys are like most women at a flea market……koop enigge kak wat hulle sien.
2 Aug 2012, 12:34 pm
@Transformation-27: Fact remains, his rugby intelligence should shine through, regardless of the situation.
Me thinks he’s enjoying the cape and his cosy little clifton digs
For such a frugal union, WP surely do seem to know how to spend stupidly.
2 Aug 2012, 12:42 pm
another season… another comp… and the haters still be a-hatin’ AC…
the guy is damned if he does… damned if he doesn’t…
nothing wrong with keeping jeb around to fill the gap… as/when/if schalk, duane or another as yet uninjured, unidentified youngster can play, i have no doubt jeb will drop to the bench or out of the squad to accommodate whoever it may be…
CC starts in 10 days time… easy for keo keyboard warriors to be brave and wise about who AC should play, when AC knows there’s practically no one else READY RIGHT NOW…
but i can just imagine what the same haters would say if AC let jeb go and played an 18-year-old number 8 and the kid gets shown up…
you same people would all say ‘why is AC so dof to let the canadian go…? shoulda kept him…!’
2 Aug 2012, 12:42 pm
unless of course AC makes an offer to josh…!!
2 Aug 2012, 12:48 pm
@Sasuke-21: Our promising youngster in Carr is already injured.
Anyone further down the line will be best served in the age group competition. Especially since they will arguably not be in contention for senior rugby any time soon (seeing as they’ll be behind a considerable queue, when this freak injury run ends.)
Besides, there’s enough youngsters in this team as is, and WP desperately need to start winning silverware.
2 Aug 2012, 12:48 pm
@ufo-33: Would that no make sense?
2 Aug 2012, 12:56 pm
@pompies2-35:
it would make sense… to me anyway… but i don’t know what josh’s situation is contract-wise…
reckon he’d fit in well down here being a cape boy n’all
and he’s a really good player… could also captain the side…
2 Aug 2012, 13:22 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged by Mad Eye Productions.-26:
I can’t.
But I have seen the figures.
Bulls had to up his contract when it came up for removal.
But remember no Victor, Bakkies, Guthro, FDP on the books.
Lots of cash around.
With Olivier pissing of we will have more.
To buy Elstadt and Kitschoff.
The future’s so blue I gotta wear shades.
2 Aug 2012, 14:10 pm
@ali-34: Dude there are promising youngsters every season and if there is an injury crisis we need to fast track the guys. Give them a taste of professional rugby, it will just drive their ambition more to get into the senior squad! You cant say our only promising youngster is just Nizaam Carr. If you are good enough, you are old enough.
Where is Robyn Johannes? I think that is his name.
2 Aug 2012, 14:47 pm
@Sasuke-38: I agree that there are plenty of promising youngsters in WP setup. And if they’re on form they will be presented with opportunities.
But winning a senior trophy is the first target, and having Sinclair there puts WP in a better position to achieve that. Even if he is eventually unseated by a new no.8.
3 Aug 2012, 10:20 am
Well done WP!! Buy more Auslandders and keep on wondering why you loose young tallent. There is no medicine for stupidity!!
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