Bet on Blacks
13 Aug 2012
RYAN VREDE writes the All Blacks will win the Rugby Championship comfortably, with the Springboks’ cause to be undermined by the absence of key players and the struggles of others.
I’ve written extensively that this tournament will be a greater measure of the new generation Springboks and coach Heyneke Meyer’s aptitude than the series against England was. England rarely exploited the Springboks’ vulnerabilities in the manner the southern hemisphere’s elite will do.
And there are certainly worrying vulnerabilities.
Injuries have robbed Meyer of the services of Schalk Burger (knee) and JP Pietersen (thumb). Burger’s industry and abrasiveness has been at the heart of the Springboks’ success, while Pietersen has been consistently impressive in recent months, looking to have recaptured an appetite for the game.
Elsewhere, dynamic prop Coenie Oosthuizen (neck) was important in their planning and strategy, while uncapped players like Duane Vermuelen and Johann Goosen would have been part of and indeed potentially amplified the Springboks’ strength – Goosen lending Meyer a different dimension at flyhalf to what Morne Steyn offers. These are significant losses.
Their challenge is compounded by the concerning form of their halfback pair, Francois Hougaard and Steyn, who are absolutely central to the success of their game plan.
The Springboks’ coaching team have deep reservations about Hougaard in particular. His tactical kicking has been poor and will only improve marginally with tailored coaching. Meyer has greater faith in Ruan Pienaar’s kicking game, but he only joins the squad this week and will not start against Argentina. How Hougaard responds to this challenge will be decisive to the longevity of his Test career.
Meyer’s confidence in Steyn remains high and he is optimistic that the break he had after the Bulls’ Super Rugby exit (his first in three seasons) will rejuvenate him. Steyn needs a good tournament for his own self belief, to repay the faith his coach will show in him and to stall the advance of Goosen, who, if fit, will be considered to start on the year-end tour to the UK.
A career defining tournament also awaits Andries Bekker, who missed the England series through injury. Bekker’s technical ability has never been in question but there are lingering concerns about his mental toughness in high pressure matches. Bekker will unseat Juandre Kruger at No. 5 lock and will be primarily tasked with engineering the Springboks’ dominance at lineouts, a facet of play they will place a premium on in the context of their game plan. He was supposed to be a natural successor to Victor Matfield but is in danger of being overwhelmed by Matfield’s legacy.
The Springboks will benefit from a favourable draw, which should see them make the early running with wins over Argentina. But they will struggle against the more settled Blacks, who, in the series sweep over Ireland in June, showed the benefits of continuity in coaching with Steve Hansen, the retention of the core of the World Cup winning side and the emergence of Test-standard rookies like Same Cane, Julian Savea, Ben Smith, Aaron Smith and Brodie Retallick. A positive prognosis on Kieran Read, who is becoming as influential for the side as Richie McCaw and Dan Carter, further improves their prospects.
Australia will take some beating, but don’t pose the threat the Blacks do. Argentina will take time to become accustomed to the unique demands of the tournament. They will be better placed in 2013, as will the Springboks.
This year though – bet on Blacks.
Probable Springboks 15 - 15 Zane Kirchner, 14 Lwazi Mvovo, 13 Jean de Villiers, 12 Frans Steyn, 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Morne Steyn, 9 Francois Hougaard, 8 Pierre Spies, 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Marcell Coetzee, 5 Andries Bekker, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Bismarck du Plessis, 1 Beast Mtawarira.
327 Comments
13 Aug 2012, 05:07 am
Get rid of Kirshner and Spies and steyn, useless Drangons. In fact they not Dragons at all!
13 Aug 2012, 05:28 am
@whatever-1:
Agree, Kirchner just does not have what it takes to cut it at international level, Super Rugby being his ceiling.
As for Spies and Morne Steyn, the jury’s out. Spies has always underwhelmed, Steyn is so bloody one-dimensional and when that dimension (his kicking) suffers, he’s shite…even when it fires, he’s little better than average.
I like Hougaard, though, and reckon he’ll have a cracker of a Rugby Championship. Please nto Ruan Pienaar, he’s another Spies…full of promise, seldome delivers at the highest level.
13 Aug 2012, 05:56 am
The Bulls bubble burst in the second half of the S15. That they still have such a high contingent of players in the squad is baffling. Steyn is primarily a kicker, who’s kicking game is failing him, so now what?
13 Aug 2012, 06:11 am
Can’t really agree that SA are too badly off with injuries this time.
Burger and Pieterson sure but Goosen is uncapped and Oosthuizen is a squad player.
More pertinent is the 8/9/10 combination who are either mis-firing or not fit for purpose.
13 Aug 2012, 07:56 am
When will they write an article about Spies who shouldnt be near a bok jersey??
Shouldnt he receive a helll of a lot more criticism. He’s the biggest bok imposter if you are to believe that only the best gets selected…
Alberts and Kolisi will make a better impact at 8 imo. You’ll need more grunt against the AB’s and Spies keeps on proving that he’s just not up to international rugby standard and apparently bok standard…
13 Aug 2012, 08:12 am
Kanko going to Japan was a huuuuge lose.
Meyer would have started with him too.
13 Aug 2012, 08:15 am
@Jeez-5:
Yeah, Spies just doesn’t have the mental game to be a good number 8.
His power is also limitted to the gym.
I know many guys who lift/bench/squat big numbers in the gym, but still go backwards on the field.
13 Aug 2012, 08:18 am
My bok team regarding injuries: imo imo
15 Aplon/Joe Peterson/Lambie
14 Lwazi Mvovo,
13 Jean de Villiers/ Jordaan- must be a future bok surely, hopefully soon. Burger for captain.
12 Frans Steyn,
11 Basson (far better finisher than Habs and best under the high ball)/ Hougaard (scrumhalf and wing cover sub)
10 Steyn (hate to say it but Jantjies and Lambie werent that much better this season imo)/ Goosen (only a few more weeks)/Janjies/Lambie
9 Pienaar
8 Alberts (with Burger, Brussouw and
7 Coetzee Vermeulen all coming back
6 Kolisi Spies should not make the squad)
5 Andries Bekker,
4 Eben Etzebeth,
3 Jannie du Plessis
2 Bismarck du Plessis
1 Beast Mtawarira
13 Aug 2012, 08:19 am
@7
just like i know farmers who are physically more stronger than gym bunnies with their supplements just from hard physical work,braaivleis en mieliepap.
13 Aug 2012, 08:28 am
Ryan, if that is truly going to be the team, then we’re proper f ucked. I am sure that Straulie would do a better job.
13 Aug 2012, 08:30 am
@CenturionShark (aka LondonShark)-6:
Oops yeah totally forgot about Kanko. Jeez there is really no excuse to play Spies. His time like some others to move on and stop hogging the jersey he simply doesnt deserve. Im not encouraging it but he also never seems to get injured!?
13 Aug 2012, 08:41 am
@Jeez-11: Aplon and JOe??? did you watch saturdays match???
Best 15 in SA right now IS Ludik or the kid from the Kwas
13 Aug 2012, 08:42 am
Ah, if I had a keo dollar for every Vrede “certainty” that panned out 100% wrong, I’d be able to buy ten keo mansions.
13 Aug 2012, 08:50 am
@>^..^< katman-13: Specially his calls on the matches between the Sharks and WP/Stormers
13 Aug 2012, 08:58 am
That team doesn’t inspire confidence at all.Looking really thin on international quality backline players.Forwards looking ok though.Just wish kanko could have been there!
13 Aug 2012, 08:59 am
@sharks_lover-12:
I agree,Ludik is underrated, but I cant see Meyer picking him.. Regarding that Peterson and Aplon have been involved would suggest that they are more likely to be selected…
Wouldnt mind if a younger player comes through, but who would that be? the sa u21 guy was ****…
Younger players must at some stage be introduced and take over as regular starters… That can be said about 15,11,13 and 10. Building experience has to start somewhere… Having guys like Goosen, Steyn, Jordaan and Taute in a starting backline would really be exciting…
13 Aug 2012, 08:59 am
@W.P-3: well, both the national coach and his backline assistant say msteyn’s all-round game is top notch
– don’t ask me what the hell they’re on about – so as soon as they sort out the kicking then voila msteyn will be good again.
13 Aug 2012, 09:00 am
@JOHN DEERE-15: For what purpose??
You really believe HM will leave out a Spies or M Steyn?? that never gonna happen
13 Aug 2012, 09:02 am
@Jeez-16: Lambie should be the 10
13 Aug 2012, 09:04 am
spies, hougaard, kirchener and steyn may well be very dodgy selctions…
but Bekker?
you cannot be serious. He’s done feckall since 2010 and even then, in the big games when you need to bank on your set piece and lineout…..he’s nowhere.
13 Aug 2012, 09:05 am
Nice to see how closely the views of the Bok coaching team mirror my own at the moment.
Over the last few weeks I’ve stated that:
Morne Steyn’s first extended break in years might just freshen his mind a bit.
That Hougaard is the real concern, in that he does not have the skills of a scrumhalf
And that Ruan Pienaar is the interim answer at 9, in the absence of Fourie du Preez.
Either Ryan is just passing off my ideas as supposed inside knowledge he got from his “sources” in the Bok squad, or else I’m cruising on the same wavelength as our national coaching team.
13 Aug 2012, 09:08 am
@Tacitus-21: we’ve accepted that you think you have the inside lane to meyer’s thoughts…
13 Aug 2012, 09:16 am
Our forwards look class – would be even better if Kanko was available but I agree that the backline looks decidedly pedestrian and lacking of international and/or X factor. No Pietersen is a major blow and the AB’s (and even the Aussies) must be laughing to find that the best SA can come up with is Morne and Kirchner in those key positions !! Jury out on Hougaard….funny how he always looks good as a wing replacement but so limited as a first choice #9. At least Habana looking better and settled and I like the idea of Mvovo getting a run ….Basson always seems a bit like Hougaard – flatters to deceive. I have always been a great fan of Lambie but rushing him back to the Sharks lineup for the final must have done his confidence no good – he had a shocker…..but he’s still MUCH better a bet than Kirchner !
13 Aug 2012, 09:19 am
Pienaar
Goosen
Frans Steyn
De Villiers
JP Pietersen
Habana
Ludik
Now that’s a world class backline, with Hougaard available as impact player. It is only fullback where all our options are good, but not great. And that includes Kirchner, Ludik, Lambie and Aplon.
We need a new star at the back, but there’s no one at the moment.
Other than that, we can field a very strong first choice backline, injuries allowing.
13 Aug 2012, 09:31 am
after hearing for years about all this incredible depth in SA rugby, it comes as no surprise that SA doesnt really have a backline that would worry other teams, even the Argies must feel they can match and beat the SA backline.
perhaps this is the real reason for the skop an jag rugby we have seen over the years?
13 Aug 2012, 09:32 am
Daar is nog plek by die Bulls , Sharks en Lions om aan te sluit as supporters….
13 Aug 2012, 09:32 am
@Tacitus-24:
Jordaan instead of JDV.That kids got flare and x factor. He showd some BMT in the final, was the exception and best player even out of position at 12! When is Taute coming back?
Habana should make way for a younger player at some point, but who? Id start Hougaard instead of Habs. imo
13 Aug 2012, 09:32 am
@Tacitus-24: JdV is nothing classic
13 Aug 2012, 09:36 am
Steyn , and Spies is there cause no contender is better , the ones that could be better are injured.
13 Aug 2012, 09:36 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-20: With you on Bankie
13 Aug 2012, 09:39 am
@poppa69-25:
I agree its worrying… But I doubt thats the reason for the skop and chase tactics. The Lions, Cheetahs and Sharks play decent attacking rugby. The Sharks probably the team who gets the balance right, regarding attacking, kicking game and defence. Even our u18 and u21 teams play attacking rugby.
Its just bad selections if you ask me. Replace MSteyn, JDV, Kirchner, Habana with some up and coming young players and youll have a much more exciting and dangerous backline. imo
13 Aug 2012, 09:41 am
@capebull-29: Perhaps with Steyn (although Jantjies and Lambie deserves a chance to prove that they can do better) but I dont agree with Spies. Alberts, Kanko, Kolisi, Daniel even Coetzee will be far better selections at 8!
13 Aug 2012, 09:42 am
@poppa69-25:
excuse me….but when carter went done last year you had piri weepu and donald as all black flyhalfs?
and even then, in every other WC your backline has ended up as a mismatch of players out of position because of injury?
13 Aug 2012, 09:48 am
KP a gooner.
Hoooooohooooohaaaahhaaaaa.
Sabotaged by the Proteas.
Bellywobblechortleguffaw.
13 Aug 2012, 09:51 am
9. Pienaar
10. Goosen
11. Hougaard/Aplon (perhaps Aplon because Taute’s not the best kicker)
12. F.Steyn
13. Jordaan
14. JP
15. Taute
Imo the most dangerous bok backline…
13 Aug 2012, 09:51 am
I rate Hougaard, but feel at sh he has not been that great this season, not for the Boks or Bulls. Pity Pienaar has arrived late otherwise think he should have started this Saturday. If Morne is poor again against Arg this Saturday, then Meyer seriously needs to give Lambie or Jantjies a start the following week at fh. Huge pity that Kanko signed to go to Japan he was in sublime form. Also a massive blow to lose JPP.
We will probably beat Arg twice, but will we beat Oz and Nz with our game plan? Not so sure.
13 Aug 2012, 09:54 am
Hougaard to 15.
Kirchner to Shady Pines,
13 Aug 2012, 09:57 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-33:, and we won the WC with our fourth choice 1st 5/8th.. thats depth..
2007 was poor selection, not injury… Mauger not even in the gameday squad was stupid, 2003 Muliana was also poor selection, Umaga was available to play…
poor selection does not equate to lack of depth..
the fact Goosen has played half a season of Super rugby, not one test match and is already seen as the saviour is truly not indicative of this “incredible depth in SA” that I have heard muttered often on this web site..
13 Aug 2012, 10:01 am
With the players we have there I would have started with:
1. Beast
2. Jannie
3. Bissie
4. Eben
5. Bekker
6. Kolisi
7. Coetzee
8. Alberts
9. Ruan
10. Lambie
11. Mvovo
12. Steyn
13. Jean
14. Habs (rather move Habs over to 14 and leave Mvovo at 11)
15. Zane (wish Ludik was selected)
13 Aug 2012, 10:02 am
Puma – Aree, Kanko was in incredible form of late. Big Loss as the Boks lose so much with Spies at 8, no mongrol whatsoever. IF the Boks get their game plan right then they will do well, otherwise they are kicking the ball down the throats of the ABs and their backline will just run the back all day long and cuts us to pieces!!!
13 Aug 2012, 10:03 am
Pity that Jordaan is still carrying that hammie injury. If not would have liked to have seen him selected before JJE. Jordaan is a super talent at outside centre and great on the wing too. Rate him better than JJE. One for the future once Jean retires that is.
13 Aug 2012, 10:04 am
@the artist formerly known as gunther-34:
13 Aug 2012, 10:04 am
Bekker – Probably one of the softest locks in the S15. Cannot impose himself physically and never finishes a game. Spends more time sitting on the wing then getting his hands dirty.
Habana – What has he done in the last 3 years to warrant his place? He had a couple of ok games during the S15, a few decent runs in the England series. He is a big defensive liability.
Spies – Soft soft soft
Kirchner – No spark
Steyn – Without his boot he is nothing more than a speed bump.
Its really time for us to drop the cart horses and bring in some young talent. We need to do it now, because in 3 years time, after playing the old boys into the ground we will be in big trouble.
NZ are constantly including new exciting talent into their squad, and look at the results. But we hold onto old stale players “believing they will come right after a break” or “they just need to find themselves” or “they rediscover their passion…” blah blah blah… Stop selecting based on past reputation. I mean how rubbish do Steyn or Spies actually have to place before they get dropped? Scary…
13 Aug 2012, 10:04 am
Puma – Pienaar/Lambie untested but yes would love to see that combo, put Hougie(The Mongrol) on the wing. MEyer seems to set on Monre, i wish he had a plan B to test your team v the Argies!!
13 Aug 2012, 10:07 am
blank – I agree. Once JDV goes who on earth do we have to replace him? I can’t think of anyone that can replace JDV except possibly, Jaque Fourie returning!! Again once JF is properly retired, then who replace these 2 fine players?
Bok centres is where i see a massive future problem, all other areas are covered!!!
13 Aug 2012, 10:08 am
blank – Correction Bok 13 is the future problem. We have the mighty and still young F Steyn at 12!!!
13 Aug 2012, 10:08 am
@race of tan-44:
Having a big, accurate boot at 10 is non negotiable. And I’m not talking about goalkicking – which can be done by any member of the starting 15, even if it is John Eales at no.5.
I’m talking about kicking out of hand. Tactical kicking lies at the heart of winning a modern rugby game, and therefore the selection of your flyhalf should go as follows:
Which flyhalves can dominate a game with the boot?
From them, pick the one who also has other skills.
At the moment, we have only Morne Steyn who can dominate the game with tactical kicking. This is even more important with a scrumhalf that can’t kick for love or money.
Lambie, Grant etc. don’t tick that box sufficiently.
Once Goosen is back, everything changes, because he brings a whole range of other skills in addition to a boot that’s even better than Morne’s.
But until then, we can’t really go into a test match without Morne.
13 Aug 2012, 10:11 am
@race of tan-40: Yeah a huge pity Kanko signed to go to Japan. Think he signed with them before the England tour here. Or he was speaking with them already. I bet he probably wishes he never did now. He would be starting this RC at 8 for sure. Now we have Spies again. He better there during the RC than he was for the Bulls. So hoping. Just after seeing the blistering form Kanko was in it is a pity he is not with the Boks now.
Our game plan in the end of the day will cost us against the ABs and even the Aussies. Wish the Boks could play the game plan the Sharks used against the Bulls.
13 Aug 2012, 10:11 am
People will note that the understrength Sharks team victory over WP on the weekend was largely because Riaan Viljoen was able to outdistance Burton Francis with his kicks, regularly allowing line outs after a kicking exchange to advance well towards the WP goal line.
Similarly, Louis Fouche’s canon boot did the same for the Bulls against Griquas on Friday.
Tactical kicking lies at the heart of our game, and it is not going to change.
13 Aug 2012, 10:14 am
@Tacitus-47:
I was quite impressed with young fouche on friday night.
he has a cannon of a boot and deceptive pace in the jpp mould. also big in the tackle. That fullback visser also always impresses me. I hope these okes get more game so we can better see how good they can become.
13 Aug 2012, 10:15 am
@race of tan-44: Lambie with Pienaar would be great actually. Even untested would start them against the Argies.
Jordaan for outside centre after Jean retires. He is a super talent. Was superb there for the Sharks. Jeez he always finds the try line in just about every game he plays. Young too so will be there until the next world cup and longer. I would seriously look at him for next year. He should have been selected ahead of JJE.
13 Aug 2012, 10:16 am
@whatever-1: Why not just get rid of all the Bulls players and insert the Stormers chockers in there place.
13 Aug 2012, 10:16 am
@Puma-39: this will be the team
15 Kirchner
14 Habana
13 JDv
12 Frans
11 Mvovo
10 Morne
09 Hougaard
08 Spies
07 Alberts
06 Coetzee
05 Bekker
04 Etsebeth
03 Jannie
02 Bismark
01 Beast
16 Strauss
17 Cilliers
18 Kruger
19 Potgieter (should be Kolisi)
20 Pienaar
21 Jantjies
22 Lambie
13 Aug 2012, 10:17 am
@W.P-3: What happened to the Stormers bubble two home semi losses in two years. Anyway Super and test rugby completely different levels.
13 Aug 2012, 10:18 am
@Tacitus-49: the sharks played a great brand of skop n jag over the weekend (well from the highlights is saw) – all three of their tries had no backline innovation to them, only viljoen moering the ball up and WP players fluffing the high balls for sharkies like bosman & burden to collect and either put runners through or score!
13 Aug 2012, 10:18 am
@Tacitus-49:
In fact, I was impressed with the result altogether as I didn’t think we could beat the kimberly mob. Our forwards got their arses handed to them in the vodacom cup a few weeks ago. Just goes to show that just a couple of changes to the pack and we can get enough ball again. Was also full of respect for werner kruger who sat on the bench for the most part. He’s played 72 consecutive superrugby games without a break. No wonder his form has been on the dip as well.
13 Aug 2012, 10:19 am
Meyer’s long term plan is quite logical and obvious, in my view.
Get Morne Steyn to carry us until Johan Goosen can take over.
What’s the point of trying anyone else there for a few games, if Goosen is his long term pick already?
13 Aug 2012, 10:21 am
@Transformation-55:
Exactly. I already raised this on the Sharks thread.
Jordaan is being praised for the attacking rugby that led to his try, but that try came from a Viljoen kick that was regathered by Viljoen and passed to Jordaan.
This is what opened up the defense in the first place, not some brilliant strike running against a set defensive backline.
Kicking is vital to break up the defensive line, so people need to accept it if they want to see tries.
13 Aug 2012, 10:23 am
@Tacitus-57:
you cannot debate with the emotional.
everyone with any sort of logic can figure that already. Most WP supporters would field a completely new side this weekend with no experience whatsoever. And then probably another new one for the next game.
very strauliesque
13 Aug 2012, 10:23 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-56:
Fouche has greater range on his kicks than Morne, is bigger, stronger, faster and more of an attacking player than Morne too.
But he is mentally fragile, and once impossibly great kick will often be followed by a shocker.
If they can sort this out, he could develop into a decent long term backup to Goosen, as they are very similar players, with Goosen just having bucketloads of BMT to add to his physical talents.
13 Aug 2012, 10:24 am
@Tacitus-57: so morne is a stopgap? lol
13 Aug 2012, 10:25 am
@Tacitus-60:
once = one
13 Aug 2012, 10:25 am
@sharks_lover-53: I know that will be the team. Just wish we could see other names there starting.
13 Aug 2012, 10:25 am
@Transformation-61:
At this stage of his career, yes, he is.
Just like Jean de Villiers, Habana and Burger (if Burger ever returns).
13 Aug 2012, 10:27 am
@Tacitus-60:
well, morne sat on the bench for hougaard for a while because his kicking was not up to scratch…..only to become a far better player than hougaard ever was.
13 Aug 2012, 10:30 am
@Tacitus-58: the issue arises when the opposition has great highball gatherers like corey jane, israel dagg, ben smith and add the little matter of getting matched physically at the collisions and then the plan needs an extra gear and not of the same.
meyer on boots and all last week put it out there as blatantly as he could when he said “my mantra is EXECUTION OVER INNOVATION any day”
he’s got the masterplan and won’t be deviating from it.
13 Aug 2012, 10:32 am
@Tacitus-57: The point is to pick the best available team in the meantime.
13 Aug 2012, 10:33 am
@Big Hit-4: Agree 100%.
13 Aug 2012, 10:34 am
What interests me is if our tight five is going to be on par with the other three teams. That is where it will be won and lost imo. Maybe against the Pumas we will get away with it but definately not against the other two.
13 Aug 2012, 10:35 am
@Tacitus-60: if lambie can, as meyer has suggested, sort out his tactical kicking, fouche is not needed plus lambie is streets ahead of fouche in handling pressure.
13 Aug 2012, 10:35 am
@Tacitus-24: I like that backline, Tac.
13 Aug 2012, 10:36 am
@sharks_lover-53: I think Kolisi will be on the bench and not Pogieter. Well hope so.
13 Aug 2012, 10:37 am
@Puma-72: meant – Potgieter
13 Aug 2012, 10:37 am
@Airwell-69: It all depends.
If we play a kick-chase, ie playing without the ball more often, the forwards will have to run extra meters on defense, which in turn could drain them come the set pieces.
If we keep the ball in hand and we allow our forwards to go, well, forward, then we are in with a chance.
13 Aug 2012, 10:40 am
@willievz-71:
Thanks.
I’m not stuck on Morne at all costs, contrary to belief.
I just believe the need for a great tactical kicker at 10 is vital, and that Morne is the best we have in that department at the moment.
But Goosen offers everything that Morne can in that department – and more. Plus he has a range of other skills that puts him in the Dan Carter league, in my mind.
But first he has to recover properly from injury.
13 Aug 2012, 10:42 am
@Tacitus-58: Gathered by Bosman not regathered by Viljoen.
13 Aug 2012, 10:42 am
@willievz-67: Best available team in who’s opinion? Yours or the Springbok coach’s opinion?
13 Aug 2012, 10:43 am
@Tacitus-75: Imo Goosen must still proove himself at test level. My second choice at the moment is Lambie.
13 Aug 2012, 10:46 am
@Sasuke-76: i let that one slide
13 Aug 2012, 10:47 am
@Transformation-55:
Ya because the awesome Summer weather that passed through CT over the w/e lent itself to attacking, skillful rugby.
That game was always going to be a battle of the tight forwards and kicking for territory.
13 Aug 2012, 10:47 am
It matters not the depth of talent. If the coach is dead set on his tactics, without regard to synergy & compatibility with the playing personnel.
13 Aug 2012, 10:48 am
Gathered by Bosman indeed.
13 Aug 2012, 10:48 am
@Puma-72: Agreed, but with the players there at the MO this would be my team
15 F Steyn
14 Habana
13 Hougaard
12 JDV
11 Mvovo
10 Lambie
09 Pienaar
08 Alberts
07 Coetzee
06 Kolisi
05 Kruger/Bekker
04 Etsebeth
03 Jannie
02 Bismark
01 Beast
16 Strauss
17 Cilliers
18 Bekker/Kruger
19 Keegan Daniel
20 Spies
21 Jantjies
22 Engelbrecht
13 Aug 2012, 10:54 am
one thing i think south african rugby fans are ignoring… possibly due to desperation and hope… is that waiting for Johan Goosen to ride in and sort out our rugby is not a plan B or any other letter of the alphabet…
while he has been blessed with absolutely phenomenal talent… he has been cursed with a less than robust physiology… i said before this s15 started that he needed more time… but true to south african desperation for instant gratification he was rushed into the big time…
he had two KOs before he played a S15 game… and (as with boxers etc) the brain does not become more robust with age… quite the opposite in fact… the impact of concussion is cumulative… and with the new concussion regulations, when he comes back we can expect him to not only get concussed again and more often… but also to suffer further injuries…
the emotional will rant at me for such heresy… but i’m not having a go at Goosen the person or player… his talent is amazing… but hanging our long-term hopes on him is going to be no more realistic than a child hanging their wishes on a star…
what we should be doing is putting Lambie into the driving seat at 10 at provincial and national level and let his settle and develop his game in that position… then WHEN Goosen is fit he can sub Lambie as an impact player…
this will be the only way to ensure some sort of continuity for the boks in the flyhalf position… it will be unfair on the other 10s and too disruptive on the team in general to always have a short-term plan A player filling in at 10 while plan B is waiting for Goosen to get fit… again…
Lambie has the rugby nous, big match temperament and full skillset with hands and feet to be a great flyhalf… and he is more robust… but it is extremely unfair on the young guy to play him all over the place and then expect him to pull off the perfect game at flyhalf for the boks whenever called on to do so…
13 Aug 2012, 10:54 am
so what is this about burton and joeyp being injured?
13 Aug 2012, 10:57 am
@ufo-84: you reckon that’s why goosen was on the juice, to make himself “robust”?
13 Aug 2012, 10:58 am
ja… and jordaan the most exciting centre to arrive in sa rugby since jaque fourie…
but… please don’t rush him either… he’s already also been injured more often than not…
patience people…
13 Aug 2012, 10:59 am
@ufo-84: Very well said UFO
13 Aug 2012, 10:59 am
@Transformation-86:
dunno… aren’t all saffa schoolboys on the juice…??
13 Aug 2012, 11:01 am
@ufo-87: JOrdaan needs to get time off for that Hammy to recover, Plum did say Jordaans hammy stiffened up so he pulled him off, prolly the right thing
I cant wait to see Steyn and Jordaan as a combo?? could be pretty impressive
13 Aug 2012, 11:03 am
Is Jordaan not a bit on the small side, to go up against guys like Jacque Fourie, SBW, Nonu etc. at centre?
13 Aug 2012, 11:04 am
@sharks_lover-90:
yeah.. they need to let jordaan recover fully… very talented, exciting player…
he and frans… with lambie distributing… are gonna bliksem opposition… those three will punch holes through the middle of any other team…
pity we won’t see them playing CC together…
13 Aug 2012, 11:06 am
@Tacitus-91: if small is below 1.9m then he is…
13 Aug 2012, 11:07 am
@57 the point is that its a high performance environment. If Morne was a non-bull HM would have sacked him forever after the PE test
13 Aug 2012, 11:07 am
@Transformation-93:
What’s his stats?
13 Aug 2012, 11:07 am
@viewer-94:
That’s emotional reasoning.
13 Aug 2012, 11:09 am
@Airwell-77: So it is ok for us to criticise PDV’s selections, but not Heyneke’s?
Just because Jacob Zuma is president doesn’t mean he knows everything about politics.
13 Aug 2012, 11:09 am
remember guys…
i’m dyed-in-the-wool WP…
no agenda here… just calling it as i see it…
13 Aug 2012, 11:11 am
@willievz-97:
Hehe.
If P Divvy was Jacob Zuma, then the appropriate political comparison for Meyer is more likely Winston Churchill or Abraham Lincoln.
13 Aug 2012, 11:13 am
@Tacitus-91: He did pretty well in the final at 12! Dont think his size is an issue, JdJ probably smaller than he is…
13 Aug 2012, 11:13 am
@ufo-92: LOL this is true, boet even Mcleod should start waking up, the new kid Reinach had a very good first outing on Saturday, but by the end of the year Sharks backline will be
15 Ludik
14 JPP
13 Jordaan
12 Steyn
11 Mvovo
10 Lambie
09 Mcleod
3 reserves
Reinach
Bosman/Viljoen
Odwa/Sbura
13 Aug 2012, 11:16 am
@Tacitus-91:
Apparently he is phenomenally strong in the gym for such a youngster.
Very powerfully built.
Out of the current CC sharks team, only Craig Burden is stronger than him when they test players across a range of gym and explosive tests.
13 Aug 2012, 11:16 am
@Tacitus-95: 1.80m 88kg according to wiki…
13 Aug 2012, 11:17 am
@Transformation-103:
Too small.
Sorry. 1.80m is too small for centre. Finish and klaar.
13 Aug 2012, 11:19 am
@Tacitus-104:
This is not Hennie le Roux’s day anymore.
You can’t have SBW or that Tuigimala chap from England running at a 1.80m dwarf.
13 Aug 2012, 11:20 am
well i am basking in the warm durban sunshine and the city has a nice vibe about it.
thats what three wins on the trot against wp will do i suppose.
13 Aug 2012, 11:22 am
@Tacitus-105: howdy tac, have you seen him tackle?
he is pretty fearless.
and he has the best swerve of any runner barring maybe that rhule chap, in sa rugby at present.
man, that try he scored vs wp on the weekend was awesome, he made joe p look even more pedestrian than digby ione in the reds playoff game.
remind me how big etienne botha was?
13 Aug 2012, 11:23 am
@Tacitus-105:
You dont think Tim Horan would do well these days?
I think he would still dominate.
All about strenth in the tackle and explosiveness.
13 Aug 2012, 11:23 am
@rangerman-107:
Yes, I’m very impressed by Jordaan’s talent.
But that doesn’t change the fact that he is small.
Maybe he can be a Dominici type wing, like Hougaard.
But not big enough for centre, in my view.
13 Aug 2012, 11:25 am
@Tacitus-104:
Christian Cullen?
1.80m
85kgs
13 Aug 2012, 11:25 am
@John Galt-108:
Nope. SBW would get his arms through any tackle by a dwarf like Horan, and offload into space.
You need to take these guys high, wrap your meaty hooks around them and bring them down with the weight of your body. Like Frans Steyn does.
13 Aug 2012, 11:25 am
@John Galt-110:
Fullback. And a freak.
13 Aug 2012, 11:26 am
@Tacitus-109:
Isn’t he an outside centre? Neither Conrad Smith or BOD is that big by comparison.
13 Aug 2012, 11:27 am
@Tacitus-104: HAHAHHHAHAHA conrad smith is 1.86m 96kg and HE IS THE BEST
13 Aug 2012, 11:28 am
@David-113:
Don’t know what his real position is. The first I saw of him was as an impact player for the Sharks this year, and then at wing for the Baby Boks.
Fantastic player. But you can’t get away from the size issue in the midfield.
13 Aug 2012, 11:28 am
@Transformation-114:
Err…Is that supposed to NEGATE my point? Or to support it?
13 Aug 2012, 11:29 am
They (goosen & jordaan) are not physically matured yet. They’ll hit peak height in their mid to late twenties. But I share the cautious point of view dictating they don’t play as starters against ± 10 year test veterans just yet
13 Aug 2012, 11:29 am
@Tacitus-111:
Yeah, i think SBW would get his hands through the tackle against all players.
He’s also a freak. He did it against all comers at centre this year. No matter what their size.
Nonu, JdV etc. He’ll do it against Frans as well, no doubt about that.
13 Aug 2012, 11:29 am
Hasn’t the small De Jongh been part of a granitic defensive structure in Super Rugby?
13 Aug 2012, 11:29 am
@ufo-84:
indeed.
poorly managed by free state.
13 Aug 2012, 11:30 am
Forget Jordaan’s onnerbroek size for a moment. The real talking point of the weekend is the snotting a coachless Lions gave the hapless Cheetahs. I say coachless, because Ackerman is not much more that the guy who gets them all on the bus on time.
Let’s discuss this now.
13 Aug 2012, 11:31 am
@Tacitus-105: “You can’t have SBW or that Tuigimala chap from England running at a 1.80m dwarf.” hehehe manu tuilagi is 1.85m 110kg
13 Aug 2012, 11:32 am
@>^..^< katman-121:
Look Katman. I too was surprised by that, at first.
But then I realised that the Lions Super Rugby team basically played one half of the Cheetahs Super Rugby team this weekend. With the Bulls Currie Cup team facing the other half, in the guise of Griquas.
The Cheetahs are farked this year in the Currie Cup.
13 Aug 2012, 11:33 am
Sonny Bill won’t be playing against the Boks this year.
Why this fascination of picking centres to counter him if you are not even going to play against him?
13 Aug 2012, 11:36 am
@Transformation-122:
There you’ve done it again.
If Jordaan weighed 105kgs despite his dwarfish height, maybe that would compensate somewhat.
But he doesn’t.
13 Aug 2012, 11:37 am
@Craven-124:
Because Meyer wants size in his midfield.
Hence his preference for Frans Steyn, De Villiers, JJ Engelbrecht over De Jongh and co.
That’s integral to our physical domination based gameplan.
13 Aug 2012, 11:37 am
@Tacitus-123: but sbw, nonu and tuigamauler are all 12′s and should be running at steyn surely?
and jordaan did well in the final imo.
my real concern is why that plonker morne steyn and that even bgger plonker spies are even in the squad?
i know kanko is going to japan but its criminal that he has been kept from fulfilling his potential by spies, seriously.
and imo ruan should be the starting 9 too.
lambie for 10 as morne is not good enough.
13 Aug 2012, 11:38 am
@rangerman-127:
Well, I don’t know what Jordaan’s position is. I guess there’s a slightly better case to be made for him at 13, where pace can compensate for size a bit more.
But there’s no way he will ever fit into our no.12 role. Which is primarily to bash the ball up with size, weight and strength.
13 Aug 2012, 11:38 am
@Tacitus-126: jj who?
what has jj done to even be mentioned in the same breath as jordaan?
no, jj may prove me wong but he has not shown an ounce of the attacking verve that jordaan displays weekly imo.
13 Aug 2012, 11:39 am
Pat McCabe isn’t big either, but he’s a hard tackler. There are enough examples
13 Aug 2012, 11:40 am
@rangerman-129:
Sigh.
I’m not blasting Jordaan. I like the chap. I think he is an exciting attacking runner – yes, reminiscent of Cullen with his change of direction and acceleration through the gap, even with his bouncing off tackles.
But the fact remains, his size does not fit with the type of centre suited to our gameplan for the next 4 years.
13 Aug 2012, 11:42 am
@Tacitus-128: agreed, he should be played at 13 running off a player like fransie.
he will devestate a lot of defences.
i actually think we havent had such a balanced runner since maybe andre snyman or etienne botha in south africa.
plus the kid has played 10 and 12 at school level so he understands these positions and can adapt his 13 game to fit.
he must first have a great s15 next year before being punted too hard but if he fulfills his POTENTIAL at that level then he should be given a look in.
13 Aug 2012, 11:45 am
@Tacitus-123: Come on, there is no way the Cheetahs are worse than the Kwas. Or even on par, for that matter. And the Lions were way more clinical in putting them to the sword than, for example, the Bulls were in their match against the boys from Kimberley.
Point is, most people gave the Lions no chance this year, given their off-field turmoil. But a few people said these obstacles might even galvanise them into something stronger. And on early evidence, that doesn’t seem all that far-fetched.
13 Aug 2012, 11:45 am
If we get our arses handed to us in the Championship I beleiwe we will be looking for a new gameplan, asap.
To base your whole game on physical domination is risky. If the opposition manages to front up to this (like England did in the third test) your are up a foul smelling creek without the proverbial paddle.
13 Aug 2012, 11:46 am
@Tacitus-131:
dont start sighing man, we are just chatting.
i dont think meyers gameplan for the next four years should be static firstly and i also think his drive for the bulls recruitment of sadie (another lightweight) shows that attacking rugby is not neccescarily comprised of bulk alone.
he played a brutal forward orientated game vs the poms because he had to given the lack of prep time but i believe his game may evolve quicker than you think.
13 Aug 2012, 11:47 am
@129 keep an eye on jj. I reckon he’ll do well. If I’m not mistaken he’s both a 13 & right wing. HM is easing him onto the big stage
13 Aug 2012, 11:48 am
@Craven-134: agreed.
look, the setpieces will always be a non-negotiable but i want to see our rugby resemble something like the sharks have managed lately.
its wise for meyer to start morne and sub lambie into the role which is what i am hoping he is planning.
but spies? his time is up imo. kanko, vermeulen or even alberts would be there ahead of spies in my team, any day of any week.
13 Aug 2012, 11:48 am
@>^..^< katman-133:
Most people?
If the Lions play their Super rugby squad they should do well in the watered down Currie Cup. This is no surprise.
13 Aug 2012, 11:49 am
@viewer-136: i will and i hope he shines.
my point is that i have seen jordaan perform more than i have seen jj do.
13 Aug 2012, 11:51 am
@Craven-138: we must remember the horrific injury list the lions had to contend with this season.
13 Aug 2012, 11:51 am
@>^..^< katman-121:
Indeed.
Your boys look like they are peaking at the right time.
In other news did you see Merv Hughes doing his George Michael karaoke act at the closing ceremony last night?
13 Aug 2012, 11:52 am
jj should be played on the wing…
for bulls and boks…
period…
he will become a great wing… but only an average 13… imo…
13 Aug 2012, 11:53 am
in other news, i shot my new personal best fish yesterday morning just north of salt rock.
a 19 kg Garrick/Leervis.
pulled me all over the ocean it did.
the ranger household will be eating pickled fish for the next while yum yum.
13 Aug 2012, 11:56 am
Sounds like a great hobby
13 Aug 2012, 11:57 am
@rangerman-127: They’ll be running at Morne Steyn.
Is his defense up to scratch?
13 Aug 2012, 11:58 am
@the artist formerly known as gunther-141: Nah, I gave it a miss. I found Rory McIlroy taking the field apart in the final round of the PGA champs far more entertaining than a retrospective Britpop stadium pantomime.
13 Aug 2012, 11:58 am
Not the OLD height debate……………Nonu himself is only 1.82cm. Is he too short to play top notch midfield?? I think not.
Another top performer of recent years – Aaron Major was 1.83. Height is not a criteria for midfield success. It helps but there is still a place for the shorter midfielder.
13 Aug 2012, 11:58 am
@viewer-144: spearfishing?
its simply awesome.
watched the sunrise yesterday morning on the beach and then jumped in for a 3 hour shoredive.
saw mantas, turteles, rays, all kinds of reef fish and caught a bag of crayfish at the same time whilst hunting for gamefish.
it messes with my rugby viewing during s15 though
13 Aug 2012, 11:59 am
@Craven-138: Only “watered down” when it suits the argument. This much we’ve learnt over the course of the past season.
13 Aug 2012, 11:59 am
@willievz-145: imo no.
but frans will be there.
13 Aug 2012, 12:01 pm
@Tacitus-131: i tried to vary the search…this is a random list of current centre players, from rookies to seasoned internationals
1.80m 90kg maxine mermoz
1.86m 93kg wynand olivier
1.86m 95kg johann sadie
1.85m 91kg franna venter
1.87m 97kg jan serfontein
1.84m 95kg tamati ellison
1.90m 85kg ben smith
1.90m 103kg richard kahui
1.90m 105kg jaque fourie
1.93m 110kg jamie roberts
1.94m 108kg sonny bill williams
13 Aug 2012, 12:03 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-141: that closing ceremony was boring…
13 Aug 2012, 12:03 pm
@Transformation-152: compared to the stiff we saw in beijing.
13 Aug 2012, 12:04 pm
People although Tacci is right about Jordaan playing 12 but he is wwrong about him being to small altogether.
13 Suits Jordaan to a tee, Center is a combination, its not use having 2 bruisers, Steyn at 12 will be the one doing the hard yeards, Jordaan is the one with pace and of course he should be a good defender too and he is, but its his flair, speed, reading of the situation and running off the ball that is important, thaat is what will cause other teams nightmares.
13 Aug 2012, 12:04 pm
A quick note to those arrogant SAFFAS who post things from time to time like “at least we excel in a range of sports in SA whereas NZ only excels at rugby”.
To these WALDOS I say “Looks at the Olympics medal table”. SA has had it’s best result in years but still is some way behind NZ who won 13 medals in all including 5 golds.
13 Aug 2012, 12:04 pm
@>^..^< katman-146:
No Rolling Stones.
Strictly B grade material.
There is better talent at the Purple Turtle’s open mike night.
13 Aug 2012, 12:05 pm
@Delki-155: wow, well done.
we are proud of you.
the little engine that could.
13 Aug 2012, 12:06 pm
@ufo-84: Excellent post. Well said. I agree totally.
13 Aug 2012, 12:06 pm
@ranger. You missed nothing on the telly, truth be told. The bulls 10 & WP 12 look promising though
13 Aug 2012, 12:08 pm
@Delki-155: Most of those golds were for rowing a boat, with one for riding a horse. Not exactly the pinnacle of Mount Olympus, innit?
13 Aug 2012, 12:08 pm
@viewer-159: i watched the sharks game though lol.
13 Aug 2012, 12:08 pm
@sharks_lover-154: Good post and I agree about Jordaan. Really do hope he can get to go on the eoyt.
13 Aug 2012, 12:09 pm
@rangerman-161: You got an underwater housing for your DSTV Drifta?
13 Aug 2012, 12:10 pm
@>^..^< katman-163: haha no.
i gave up on a dive to watch the final haha, but i watched wp sharks this weekend.
13 Aug 2012, 12:10 pm
@Puma-162: Maybe boet, just for the experience, i dont want him broken down, like Goosen situation, he is still very young and no doubt has a huge future.
13 Aug 2012, 12:12 pm
163
13 Aug 2012, 12:15 pm
@160-Katman rowing is a major international sport, highly competitive. Don’t run it down because one of your golds was also in rowing!
13 Aug 2012, 12:18 pm
@sharks_lover-83: Just a change to this team i posted, I had forgotten JDJ had been called up so this is the one with the corrections.
15 F Steyn
14 Habana
13 JdV (Capt)
12 JDJ
11 Mvovo
10 Lambie
09 Pienaar
08 Alberts
07 Coetzee
06 Kolisi
05 Kruger/Bekker
04 Etsebeth
03 Jannie
02 Bismark
01 Beast
16 Strauss
17 Cilliers
18 Bekker/Kruger
19 Keegan Daniel
20 Spies
21 Jantjies
22 Hougaard
13 Aug 2012, 12:19 pm
@kat some interesting “sports” have creeped into the olympics. BMX being one
13 Aug 2012, 12:19 pm
@sharks_lover-165: He needs to rest this week and probably the next to get over that injury proper. Then not sure who we have to play outside centre. Still think he has to be rested to allow that hammie to heal.
I think though it would do him great to go on the eoyt. That is if Meyer will select him. I know I would. He is a class player.
13 Aug 2012, 12:19 pm
@>^..^< katman-160: Agree, the horse should get the medal. If Zara Phillips is an olympian it just shows. I know someone, hardly a sportsman who is a SA showjumper, please if you have money you buy a good horse and win.
13 Aug 2012, 12:19 pm
@Delki-167: No one’s running anything down, son. Well done to your rowers and your riders. And I’m fully aware that we won a gold for rowing too. But we also won golds in the pool, as well as silver on the track. And those are the real sports of the Olympics.
If the distinction didn’t exist, people wouldn’t be referring to the “Cinderella sports” of the Games. Think about that for a while – I’ll give you half an hour.
13 Aug 2012, 12:20 pm
It is said by the experts, Rowing is the sport where you use the most muscles in your body
13 Aug 2012, 12:20 pm
@RWC’11 was fixed-171: Agree 100%.
13 Aug 2012, 12:21 pm
@Transformation-152:
indeed.
and long.
like a bad dream.
13 Aug 2012, 12:21 pm
@Puma-170: If they taKE HIM ALONG boet the best bet is to play him off the bench
last 15 minutes he can cause havock
13 Aug 2012, 12:22 pm
5 / 2 split in case of bad weather in the cape?
13 Aug 2012, 12:22 pm
Dressage, while very impressive, belongs in the circus, not the Olympics medals table.
And synchronised swimming is something that Simon Cowell and The Hoff should be judging on TV.
Don’t get me started on walking.
13 Aug 2012, 12:22 pm
@Delki-167: Please, rowing competitive, get real. Only first world countries with money can do it. Comeptitive sports are athletics (anyone can run), football (don’t need money do kick something around). Not these eletist sports made for a privileged few.
13 Aug 2012, 12:22 pm
Haha some Saffa was on here with a patronising comment on NZs ‘non existent economy’. So I did a quick bit of google research…………
NZ GDP per capita more than DOUBLE that of SA
Value of NZ dollar almost 7 TIMES more than rand….and
Overall size of NZ economy is 40% of SA economy despite population being less than one tenth of SA.
13 Aug 2012, 12:23 pm
@Delki-167:
ja, but you never heard him crowing about it did you?
and lets not forget that the size of the kiwi squad was 200 whereas sa’s was 120.
out of interest, how much money did your government and sponsors pump into the nz squad for that medal outcome? i would like to compare to sa’s, i’m curious.
13 Aug 2012, 12:24 pm
@viewer-177: Yes
13 Aug 2012, 12:24 pm
Hey dudes you won a silver on track, NZ won a silver in a field event (shotput). U did no better than us at athletics.
13 Aug 2012, 12:24 pm
@Delki-180: And that makes you somehow cool? Just imagine how cool those Swiss fckers must be then.
13 Aug 2012, 12:25 pm
@sharks_lover-173: Please rowing you are having a laugh, you are strapped into a machine, only sagital plane, not much nervious system in play.
13 Aug 2012, 12:26 pm
Oh Lawdie, here we go again with the My PeePee pees further then ur PeePee blah blah
13 Aug 2012, 12:29 pm
@Delki-183: Hang on, you’re the one who started the pissing contest, remember. No one tried to take your shot put silver away, or diminish it. We’re just saying that equestrian competitions are dodgy Olympic events, to say the least, and that rowing isn’t exactly on the same Olympic level as track & field or swimming. Do you agree with this, or not?
13 Aug 2012, 12:29 pm
@RWC’11 was fixed-185: Have you even done aany rowing?? stop dreaming dude, dont knock the sport to make a point,
13 Aug 2012, 12:29 pm
@Delki-180:
thanks for that.
now get back to us on average p.enis size.
since that seems to be where you’re heading.
13 Aug 2012, 12:30 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-189:
13 Aug 2012, 12:31 pm
Track & field, powerlifting & the marathon are the true olympic events imho. One sport they can axe is football. The elite players don’t feature because of an age restriction. A lot of the others are super elitist individual sports
13 Aug 2012, 12:32 pm
@Delki-180: ho ho ho it seems your education system churns you kiwis out with a learning deficiency or maybe the internets is just a bit tough for you to master.
nz’s GDP is around 122 billion USD.
SA’s is 555 billion USD.
now if you can show me how you arrived at 40% i would be grateful as it would be nice to stretch 21% to 40% next time i do a household budget.
13 Aug 2012, 12:35 pm
sa has the 25th largest economy on earth whilst kiwiland is sitting at no 63.
in addition to that, sa spent a measly 36 million USD on our olympic athletes whilst the poms spent 3.9 billion.
what was nz’s spend delki ya knobber
13 Aug 2012, 12:36 pm
New Zealander,Valery Adams,was awarded the gold medal after winner tested positive for doping.
13 Aug 2012, 12:37 pm
@sharks_lover-188: Yes I have tried rowing and was personally into endurance sports. But what’s your point?
I still stand by what I said. Rowing is not “the sport where you use the most muscles in your body”
There are different ways of using muscles. A bodybuilder uses all his muscles in the gym, but has a highly underdeveloped nervous system in relation to a gymnast for example. You can correlate this to rowing, there is not much neuro-muscular activity fireing apart from sagital. There are 2 other dimensions being neglected, so no, not much muscle usage compared to some other activities.
13 Aug 2012, 12:39 pm
Most traditional team sports at the Olympics are a bit dodgy. Only the rich nations can really afford to send large teams of athletes. And the soccer rules in terms of eligibility are a farce too. For me the Olympics are about individual efforts. Which is why track and field, swimming, weight lifting and cycling are just about the only ones that tick the boxes. There is just way too much Olympic Bloat in the schedule, and they’re constantly talking about adding more. If I didn’t know better, I’d say that Aussie SANZAR chap, O’Neil, must be somehow involved.
13 Aug 2012, 12:41 pm
@>^..^< katman-196: tennis?
at an olympics?
wtf for?
and it was held at wimbledon ffs, what a joke.
and soccer?
its a joke.
13 Aug 2012, 12:41 pm
@>^..^< katman-196: 100% spot on.
13 Aug 2012, 12:43 pm
@rangerman-197: To make it worse, Federer had to let Murray win this time, according to the Danny Boyle script.
13 Aug 2012, 12:44 pm
@>^..^< katman-199: ja, its a total farce.
13 Aug 2012, 12:45 pm
saw somewhere that gymnastics and swimming use more muscles than any other sport…
13 Aug 2012, 12:46 pm
The Games are over.,
Let the War begin.
13 Aug 2012, 12:47 pm
@rangerman-197: how about basketball that that yanks seem to win almost all the time?
13 Aug 2012, 12:47 pm
@ufo-201: haha, having *** uses the most
13 Aug 2012, 12:48 pm
@RWC’11 was fixed-204: *** = s e x
13 Aug 2012, 12:48 pm
@ufo-201: No, orgasms and sneezes use more. Apparently.
13 Aug 2012, 12:48 pm
@>^..^< katman-199:
His mother was unplayable.
The stormers should hire her as their new air punch consultant.
Put Fleckie out to pasture.
13 Aug 2012, 12:48 pm
@cane-202: Oh, it’s begun.
13 Aug 2012, 12:49 pm
What big trade export has nz have besides dairy,wool and l&p?
13 Aug 2012, 12:51 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-207: Speaking of Olympic mothers, nothing beats Mrs Phelps taking her La Clossing like a man…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TidAcA0IGFE
13 Aug 2012, 12:51 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19-209: beastiality?
13 Aug 2012, 12:51 pm
@RWC’11 was fixed-204:
that’s a complete phallusy
just cause it leaves you outta breath doesn’t mean you’ve exercised every muscle in your body…
if that was the case we’d all be great gymnast and swimmers…!!
and you don’t get medals for it…
unless your skweez has a rich daddy… or you’re a rapper…
13 Aug 2012, 12:53 pm
@>^..^< katman-206:
see 204…
in any case… sneezes and orgasms aren’t sports…
yet…
although judging by the my-pekkers-bigger-n-yours brigade on keo some people think it is…
13 Aug 2012, 12:54 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19-209: They’re a Net Import Nation (with Pacific Island midfielders topping that list ahead of beef, beer and Japanese pornography).
13 Aug 2012, 12:55 pm
@Transformation-203: another stupid inclusion imo.
13 Aug 2012, 12:55 pm
The sport that uses the most muscles is ballet
Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_sport_uses_the_most_muscles#ixzz23QGJHIBP
13 Aug 2012, 12:56 pm
@sharks_lover-216:
13 Aug 2012, 12:57 pm
@ufo-212: You said “phallus” hahahaha
13 Aug 2012, 12:58 pm
Ok so the skinny chicks on the floor routines throwing around the ribbons and hoola hoops used the most muscles at the olympics lol
13 Aug 2012, 12:59 pm
@sharks_lover-216: That sounds a lot more convincing than rowing. There is a lot more going on than being strapped to a machined going back-and-forth.
13 Aug 2012, 12:59 pm
The team selection enigma should be approached as follows:
Who would be your team for the future? (selecting only young promising players replacing all old players who will not continue to play test rugby after the next world cup)
Considering the team for the future its not a sin to say that Habana, JDV, M.Steyn should not be considered. I dont consider Lambie at 15, so Id say the worrying postions for the future with lack op depth are 15, 12 (if Steyn gets injured?) and wing.
or
Who should the team be now, considering form (past and present) , balance with experience and youth ?
Its a helll of a lot trickier when you pick a team on the basis of option 2…Where do you need experience and where do you need youth? When do you demote or drop a older player to make room for a younger star of the future?
Who is the standout 15 at Vodacom cup level?
13 Aug 2012, 13:00 pm
@RWC’11 was fixed-195: Doing the Duzi uses all your muscles surely as you row and run as I understand. I know a bloke who finished in the top 20 of the Duzi and after a month of jogging ran the Comrades in nine hours. So rowing does not seem a sport for sissies.
13 Aug 2012, 13:01 pm
where is delki now?
probably still trying to find a way to make 21% into 40% using wikileaks, google, wikipedia and a bit of a thumbsuck.
13 Aug 2012, 13:01 pm
@sharks_lover-216:
now that makes sense…
@RWC’11 was fixed-218:
pleased you can read…
it’s called wordplay…
not to be mistaken with foreplay…
(although… strip scrabble is fun in the boudoir…)
13 Aug 2012, 13:01 pm
@Airwell-222: correct
13 Aug 2012, 13:02 pm
@rangerman-223:
you scared him off
13 Aug 2012, 13:02 pm
rowing is great exercise but i dont know about which sport uses more muscles.
13 Aug 2012, 13:04 pm
@Airwell-222: First, the Duzi is not rowing, it’s canoeing, a different sport. The point I was trying to make, is that rowing is a very limited sport. I am not saying that it does not take endurance and strength, it does, but in a very limited capacity.
13 Aug 2012, 13:04 pm
@rangerman-193:
On ALL sports, the NZ Gov spends approx US$50 mil. per annum.
13 Aug 2012, 13:04 pm
@sharks_lover-226: ag i hope he is ok, he was a bit like a jack russel for a while there.
13 Aug 2012, 13:04 pm
Simple rule of thumb for culling the Olympic Bloat. Turf any sport that:
• involves a team of more than 4 people
• places age restrictions on entrants
• is set to music
• requires make-up
• relies on animals
• is called “walking”
• resembles America’s Got Talent
13 Aug 2012, 13:06 pm
@rangerman-227: Bodybuilding surely ?
13 Aug 2012, 13:07 pm
@rangerman-192:
@rangerman-193:
my points exactly
but i suspect delki’s out fishing
and by the looks of it he’s realed in a good catch.
13 Aug 2012, 13:07 pm
@rangerman-227:
was at the sports science inst. at newlands a few years back and the biokineticist said gymnastics and swimming are the best overall exercises as they exercise more muscles in the body and promote better all-round fitness in terms of aerobics, stamina and suppleness… in her opinion nothing else comes close…
sure, anecdotal on my side…
but she has plenty of science on hers…
13 Aug 2012, 13:09 pm
@Airwell-222:
@RWC’11 was fixed-228:
Was going to say: There is a big difference between rowing and paddling.
Actually the Dusi is “kayaking”. Canoeing involves an open boat and a paddle with only one blade. It’s only us Saffas that wrongly call it canoeing
13 Aug 2012, 13:09 pm
@cane-229: no cane, someones telling you porkie pies.
“The London Olympics are in their last few days, and soon our athletes will be home and the Olympic post-mortem will really begin.
There’s lots to celebrate, but there will also be questions about the performances of some sports.
It’s an area of major investment for our Government. It will spend $60 million on high-performance sport in the next financial year.
Sport and Recreation Minister Murray McCully was in London this week. He spoke with Valerie Adams and her coach after her silver medal win.
3 News reporter Rachel Smalley spoke with the minister yesterday on his return, and asked him about those meeting.
Read more: http://www.3news.co.nz/NZ-more-than-10-medal-nation–McCully/tabid/1697/articleID/265069/Default.aspx#ixzz23QJDHX00”
thats just on HIGH PERFORMANCE sport.
i assume the all blacks arent included there.
so your spend is double ours as is to be expected considering sa’s disparity in living standards.
imo we have a lot more pressing needs here in sa than olympic sport.
13 Aug 2012, 13:10 pm
@ufo-234: Maybe the Stormers rugby players should take up swimming and gymnastics and they possibly will not loose another home semi in the future
13 Aug 2012, 13:11 pm
@Airwell-232: maybe, dunno really.
@wait for it, wait for it…-233: haha, this catch bites though. he lost a few fingers trying to remove the hook
@ufo-234: well good enough for me.
13 Aug 2012, 13:12 pm
Hot off the presses………..Belarus shot putter has just been disqualified for doping, so Val Adams has had her silver medal upgraded to GOLD
That make it SIX golds for NZ at these Olympics – 3 in rowing, one athletics, one kayaking, one sailing. Go team NZ. Go Kiwis!
13 Aug 2012, 13:12 pm
@rangerman-223:
careful, you could get yout fingers burned. kiwi’s have a ‘magical’ way with numbers.
just look at their alternative olympic medals table ranked by % of population to number of medals won.
13 Aug 2012, 13:13 pm
@rangerman-236: sorry, that would be double our entire 4 year spend on an annual basis.
so 8 times as much as sa spent.
and the medal haul simply doesnt tally then surely?
13 Aug 2012, 13:13 pm
@cane-229:
bullshirt
13 Aug 2012, 13:14 pm
@ufo-234: My brother is a biokineticist and has a number of other qualifications including many levels of Chek practitioner and works at the C.H.E.K institute (see Paul Chek, along with Charles Poliquin are considered the worlds leading experts in this field).
My brother reckonds that rugby is a very good sport in terms of overall fitness. Also ballet, dancing, etc.
13 Aug 2012, 13:14 pm
@wait for it, wait for it…-240: to be completely honest, i couldnt give a toss
i am simply bored and killing time waiting for a client.
13 Aug 2012, 13:16 pm
@Delki-239: Sounds like you may have just pulled your Gluteus Maximus in the execution of that daring air punch. Judges will no doubt be impressed with the high level of difficulty. Expect 8′s and some 9′s.
13 Aug 2012, 13:17 pm
@rangerman-236:
Other funding is available through Our Lotteries Commission, and Charitable Trusts that profit through gambling machines. Gambling Taxes.
13 Aug 2012, 13:19 pm
all in all, i actually dont like watching sport that much.
i enjoy watching rugby and in fact its about the only sport i watch as i would much rather be out there doing sport instead.
i guess the olympics is a big deal but if i watched 25 mins this entire olympic games it was a lot.
to each there own i suppose.
13 Aug 2012, 13:19 pm
@>^..^< katman-231:
no
syncronised swimming is a dreamy event of majestic coordination and stunning aesthetics.
i will forever cherish the hapy moments of discovery, leading to realisation, of what is a stunning and all round enjoyable sport undertaken by such fine sportspeople at the olympics.
you will never take this away from me, it has touched me deeply.
13 Aug 2012, 13:20 pm
@cane-246: ours too cane.
ours too.
this discussion is rather dry though, lets rather talk about how the travel to argieland will affect the all blacks and aussies this year?
13 Aug 2012, 13:20 pm
I hope that delki did not help Hurricane to count how many homes and tv’s he has:-)
More interesting would be which sport burns the most calories over a avg time period for eg p/min.
Any answers?
13 Aug 2012, 13:22 pm
@RWC’11 was fixed-243:
there is a difference between ‘very good’ and ‘best’…
give your boet a call and ask him specifically what is BEST in terms of most muscles used AND overall fitness in terms of aerobics, stamina and suppleness…
will be surprised if he does not say swimming and gymnastics…
13 Aug 2012, 13:22 pm
@250 rowing??
13 Aug 2012, 13:22 pm
@rangerman-241: You guys alll still got that wrong
Who says the money we declare of having been spent actually all went into sports???? and not leaked large portion of it into some back pockets???
13 Aug 2012, 13:22 pm
@RWC’11 was fixed-243: p.s. Paul Chek was invloved with the Crusaders and All Blacks around 2003 when they were so strong. Apparently a lot of their superior conditioning at the time was thanks to him.
13 Aug 2012, 13:25 pm
@RWC’11 was fixed-243:
anyway… gotta go…
would be very interested to see/hear of any scientific evidence about this exercise thing…
i accepted the word of the lady i spoke to but did not interrogate her and ask for definitive proof…
cheers all…
13 Aug 2012, 13:25 pm
agreed, all blacks will walk it. SA struggled against a half decent english side.
13 Aug 2012, 13:27 pm
@ufo-251: I’ll ask him. I wonder how you actually measure it, because it can be subjective. But I am sure he will agree that gymnastics and swimming rank highly.
He is all about training the nervous system for sport performance. Big muscles don’t mean much if they are not trained correctly (i.e. bodybuilders are not very effective). Gymnasts have a highly developed nervous system.
13 Aug 2012, 13:28 pm
@cane-246:
fark, you would be a real beeatch to deal with in an interogation room.
keep talking, bumble.
*good cop goes out the room*
*bad cop – bing bop pow blamm whip slap snap pk.. double pk!!!!!*
*good cop – back in the and straight back out again*
*bad cop – bing bop pow blamm whip slap snap pk.. double pk, double pk!!!!!*
*bad cop to good cop: “dont bother coming in”*
*bad cop – bing bop pow blamm whip slap snap pk.. double pk!!!!!*
13 Aug 2012, 13:28 pm
If KP wanted to play for the Protea’s he would have to wait 4 years to qualify.
So he will only be eligible when his 36.
13 Aug 2012, 13:30 pm
Genade! When I see that probable team I feel a bit sick and nervous.
15, 11, 10, 9, 8 worries me A LOT. And 8, 9, 10 especially are so important for decision making and attacking capabilities…
13 Aug 2012, 13:33 pm
@bokfan1-260:
why stop there when you’re on a roll
keep going
tell us about numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 12, 13 and 14
13 Aug 2012, 13:36 pm
@bokfan1-260: Agree, Spies and M Steyn don’t instill confidence.
But hopefully against the ABs and Aus, Vermeulen will replace Spies. Not sure if Goosen will be ready though.
Hopefully Coenie will be back, he is a great impact player.
13 Aug 2012, 13:39 pm
@wait for it, wait for it…-261:
HM the messiah, has had 2 full weeks with the players.
According to some, the Boks haven’t been coached since 2007 so surely we cannot judged anything by past performances.
I
13 Aug 2012, 13:41 pm
@wait for it, wait for it…-242:
The Medal/Population Chart. (Source….The guardian).
1 Grenada 0.1 1 0 0 1 1.0 9.5338
2 Jamaica 2.7 4 4 4 12 8.0 2.9518
3 Bahamas 0.3 1 0 0 1 1.0 2.8804
4 New Zealand 4.4 5 3 5 13 8.7 1.9669
5 Trinidad and Tobago 1.3 1 0 3 4 2.0 1.4854
6 Hungary 10.0 8 4 5 17 12.3 1.2366
7 Slovenia 2.1 1 1 2 4 2.3 1.1367
8 Montenegro 0.6 0 1 0 1 0.7 1.0534
9 Lithuania 3.2 2 1 2 5 3.3 1.0405
10 Denmark 5.6 2 4 3 9 5.7 1.0161
11 Croatia 4.4 3 1 2 6 4.3 0.9831
12 Australia 22.6 7 16 12 35 21.7 0.9573
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28 Gabon 1.5 0 1 0 1 0.7 0.4341
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62 The Republic of Eye Gougers* 50.6 3 2 1 6 4.7 0.0922
* Also know as RSA.
13 Aug 2012, 13:41 pm
@ufo-251:
Google V02max.
Generally considered to be the best test of cardio and muscular fitness.
Cycling, Triathlon, cross country skiing athletes apparently have the highest scores.
Apparently Big Mig Indurain (spanish cycling legend) had one of the highest ever scores. Along with one of the lowest resting heart beats. 24 beats per second or somewhere around there.
13 Aug 2012, 13:47 pm
@cane-264:
Well done NZ.
You must be so proud Cane.
13 Aug 2012, 13:47 pm
@cane-264: Yep, the Land of ugly women* achieved a lot of their medals in mostly “non-competitive” sports reserved for the elete with large sporting and personal budgets. So I am sorry, but I don’t think most people view the achievment up there with the likes of Grenada, Jamaca, Bahamas, etc.
* Also known as NZ
13 Aug 2012, 13:48 pm
Ryan jys full of sh*t, have faith… Thats rsa big problem, no one stands together… All turn on each others and always pestamistc.
13 Aug 2012, 13:49 pm
@Jeraldjay-263:
its ridiculous really.
but the funny part of this is that hm will exceed pdiv’s year 1 win record as well jake’s.
13 Aug 2012, 13:50 pm
@cane-264:
give us the numbers, funny man.
how much did you say?
50million?
really?
13 Aug 2012, 13:55 pm
I vote that ver spoeg be included as an olympic sport.Wind assisted adjusted
of course.
13 Aug 2012, 13:55 pm
Acccording to ESPN.
The Worlds most demanding sport is Boxing.
Based on strength, power, agility, flexibility, durability etc…….
Rugby came in at 13.
13 Aug 2012, 13:58 pm
@Jeraldjay-266:
I think Jamacan’s and Ugandans would be uplifted too.
13 Aug 2012, 13:59 pm
@wait for it, wait for it…-270:
yip.
13 Aug 2012, 13:59 pm
New Zealand is seen as a safe place for tourists to visit. This is a bit of an illusion, most likely due to its relatively low population, as its Total crime rate per capita is actually the second highest in the world – second only to Dominica. Its actual crime rate is 105.881 crimes per 1,000 people. Some comparisons are listed below:
United Kingdom: 85.5517 per 1,000 people
USA: 80.0645 per 1,000 people
Switzerland: 36.1864 per 1,000 people
Russia: 20.5855 per 1,000 people
India: 1.63352 per 1,000 people
Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_New_Zealand's_crime_rate#ixzz23QXaQzGA
13 Aug 2012, 14:00 pm
@wait for it, wait for it…-270:
US$…………………………………..not that **** you call money.
13 Aug 2012, 14:00 pm
the cannibals aren’t so innocent afterall
13 Aug 2012, 14:03 pm
I just watched Under African Skies.
Tthe making of Graceland by Paul Simon.
Just wonderful.
13 Aug 2012, 14:06 pm
@cane-278: That was screened at a doccie festival here recently and I missed it. Really wanted to see it. That album – and also the ’86 concert in Harare – was something special.
13 Aug 2012, 14:08 pm
Rangerman @ 148.Totally envious.Where do you generally dive?
13 Aug 2012, 14:11 pm
@grant10-275: Interesting, I would not have thought that. I wonder where SA ranks.
I lived in SA for 23 years, NZ for 2 years and the UK for 14 years. I have been mugged once, guess where? Auckland.
13 Aug 2012, 14:12 pm
@>^..^< katman-279:
The program finished with the concert in Harare. (well almost).
13 Aug 2012, 14:12 pm
New Zealand just got another gold medal in ladies shotput. The first place winner has been disqualified for substance abuse… That is another gold to add to NZ… I think the athlete is Adams who now gets gold…
13 Aug 2012, 14:14 pm
@RWC’11 was fixed-281:
We had to get rid of you somehow Fixer.
13 Aug 2012, 14:15 pm
What is the point of insulting each other all day?? surely both countries have good and bad points??
13 Aug 2012, 14:18 pm
@cane-284: Haha, good point.
@sharks_lover-285: Yes, I actually love the kiwis, but a bit of rivalry is always good.
13 Aug 2012, 14:18 pm
@sharks_lover-285: JUSTSAYIN
13 Aug 2012, 14:19 pm
@cane-282: For me the pairing of Ray Phiri on guitar and Bakhiti Khumalo on bass made that album the musical masterpiece it is. Songwriting is good too, but those two were sublime.
13 Aug 2012, 14:21 pm
eight, nine and ten a real worry in the team above. Not overjoyed by number 15 either…
Anyways keeping faith…
13 Aug 2012, 14:24 pm
SHARKS-LOVER @ 285.Well said
13 Aug 2012, 14:26 pm
@cane-264: well done cane and all keewees….
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we all know that the “Medal/Population Chart” is like the Paralympics of medal tally charts
13 Aug 2012, 14:27 pm
@>^..^< katman-288:
And they are still in good nick Katman. They were a joy to watch and listen too being interviewed
“Music is like prayer”.
But everything was good. It just worked.
Politics aside.
13 Aug 2012, 14:28 pm
Graceland one of best ever.Pity that political bullshit came from Black
people.
13 Aug 2012, 14:29 pm
@cane-264:
What is this silly medals by population table?
Sounds like the eternal lament of the under-endowed to me.
It’s not a good look for you Caner …
13 Aug 2012, 14:30 pm
@Transformation-291:
Good luck against Argentina Transie.
I understand THEY are at full strength.
So should be a good contest.
13 Aug 2012, 14:32 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-294:
I’ve never been one for “The Good Look” Gunna.
13 Aug 2012, 14:32 pm
@Transformation-291: Relax, I’m sure he’s going to post the Medal/Household Income chart soon. Followed by the Medal/Square km chart, the Medal/Average IQ chart and the Medal/People Suffering From Stress chart.
13 Aug 2012, 14:34 pm
@cane-295: thanks caner, will be there too…hope newlands is not as wet & cold as it was reported on saturday!
i’m sure father ted has given them a few pointers, should be tricky.
13 Aug 2012, 14:35 pm
@cane-276:
sweet jeezuz!
400 million on 200 participants and thats all you brought back?
good gawd!
and i know you lying about the number
i bet its even more
13 Aug 2012, 14:39 pm
A real pity our sports are played on tracks and fields and not in the halls of parliament. Because there we have meddles in just about everything.
13 Aug 2012, 14:43 pm
lekker to be a bok or even coach
BMW names Bok ambassadors
2012-07-19
Johannesburg – In addition to the company’s five-year commitment to Springbok Rugby as official vehicle partner – announced in May 2011 – BMW South Africa has announced a number of local rugby icons to act as ambassadors for the German vehicle brand.
Alongside Springbok captain, Jean de Villiers (Stormers) and Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer, the ambassadors include Schalk Burger (Stormers), Pierre Spies and Chiliboy Ralepelle (Bulls) and Francois Steyn, JP Pietersen and Jannie du Plessis (Sharks).
Springbok rugby legend Victor Matfield has also been appointed as a non-playing ambassador. Matfield will act as host for the VIP hospitality suites at local matches as well provide expert content for the company’s rugby-specific website.
As part of the agreement, each playing ambassador receives a brand new BMW 335i Sport. De Villiers, Meyer and Matfield also each receive a BMW X6 XDrive40d in addition to their BMW 3 Series vehicles.
“It’s a real privilege for me to be one of BMW’s Springbok Ambassadors and to be driving these brilliant cars,” said De Villiers.
“As the Boks we strive to be the best in the world and this is shared by BMW, probably one of the most iconic car brands in the world. This passion for performance is clearly evident in the products we’re driving.”
13 Aug 2012, 14:43 pm
@>^..^< katman-300: Do we need to excuse that pun??
13 Aug 2012, 14:43 pm
seems like someone’s been telling porky pies…..
New Zealand’s Olympic success in London has come at a price – $180 million to be precise.
That’s the amount of government money that has been ploughed into high performance sport programmes, including facilities and infrastructure, in the four-year period since Beijing.
It has reaped its reward in London with the 13 medals matching Seoul in 1988 as New Zealand’s most successful in terms of overall medals.
Next year the government will hand over $60 million to fund high performance sport.
http://nznewswire.co.nz/
13 Aug 2012, 14:44 pm
HPSNZ funding for targeted Olympic sports 2009-2012:
Sport Funding Medals $ per medal
Rowing $19.181m 5 $3.832m
Cycling $18.332m 3 $6.110m
Sailing $11.299m 2 $5.650m
Athletics $7.269m 1 $7.269m
Canoeing $4.308m 1 $4.308m
Equestrian $4.241m 1 $4.241m
Swimming $7.476m 0 n/a
Hockey $7.145m 0 n/a
Triathlon $6.932m 0 n/a
Football $1.572m 0 n/a
13 Aug 2012, 14:46 pm
now then, porky
is that in us or nz dollars as opposed to the shitt we call money?
hmmmm?
13 Aug 2012, 14:49 pm
go on sport… pick a number….
160 million New Zealand dollars = 1.05539729 billion South African rands
or
160 million U.S. dollars = 1.3023165 billion South African rands
13 Aug 2012, 14:56 pm
@sharks_lover-302: Very much intended.
13 Aug 2012, 14:58 pm
;lol
; i know boet, i am sure though that went right over the top of many heads, you know like peanut would say Nyowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww lol
13 Aug 2012, 14:59 pm
@wait for it, wait for it…-299:
What are you trying to do here.
For a start those medals that you seem to be laughing about takes the individual alot of time and training to get. I dont care how much money we spend as long as we have a good time at the games which we did.
Now what you are trying to do is say NZ spent more money than SA, reasons as to why we won more medals.
We cant help it if your government is screwed. Dont take your silly little anger out on our athletes. **** me do you ever get off NZ. It seems to have a thing about NZ, everyday you are on about us….why is that? You not happy with your own country?
13 Aug 2012, 15:13 pm
@Hurricane-309:
Pistols shots ring out in the barroom night
Enter Patty Valentine from the upper hall
She sees the bartender in a pool of blood
Cries out “My God they killed them all”
Here comes the story of the Hurricane
The man the authorities came to blame
For something that he never done
Put him in a prison cell but one time he could-a been
The champion of the world
13 Aug 2012, 15:14 pm
@Hurricane-309:
i think you’re jumping to the wrong conclusions.
read all the way back to get a sense of what i was trying to say?
13 Aug 2012, 15:17 pm
@Hurricane-309:
Days the interweb warrior who spends everyday on a South African website?
Rich indeed.
I think it was one of your lower hutt Hobbitses who started the Olympic ******* measuring.
13 Aug 2012, 15:17 pm
Hurricane go and read canes posts about how much nz spent on the olympics and also delpi’s stats and figures that prove that your economy is much bigger than ours.
13 Aug 2012, 16:26 pm
I must admit that countries spend an awful amount of money training athletes for the greatest *** orgy on earth, if the number of condoms supplied is any indication.
13 Aug 2012, 22:43 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-312:
Who really cares where i spend my time.
This Website is on International Web….this is not your website. Understand.
@wait for it, wait for it…-311:
“400 million on 200 participants and thats all you brought back?”
So what wrong conclusion did i get from that statement above?
I know what you were trying to say but that statement is what my post was aimed at.
13 Aug 2012, 22:45 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-312:
And talking about Warriors, are you and wait for it, wait for it best buddies or something. Have a look, when wait for it says something ******* stupid, along comes Gunther to save the day…….. my hero
14 Aug 2012, 06:40 am
hahaha. look at all the d.utch meathead Neanderthals trying to belittle NZs achievements at the Olympics by claiming “not real sports” or money spent etcetc.
if they’re not real sports, why does the IOC hand out medals for them? if your country is too corrupt to ever allocate money from your superior economy, then whose fault is that?
just a bunch of sourgats who can’t handle the simple fact that it’s not only rugby that NZ beats SA at. classic
got to laugh at RWC11 is fixed. take a look at the “stats” he posted. lmfao.
we all know SA wins the gold medal hands down for crime, rape, murder statistics, yet this loser wants to publically state NZs is worse???
farken hell, what a fine example of the SA education system at work.
hahahahahaha
14 Aug 2012, 06:57 am
the real medal table..
15 New Zealand 6 2 5 13
16 Cuba 5 3 6 14
17 Iran 4 5 3 12
18 Jamaica 4 4 4 12
19 Czech Republic 4 3 3 10
20 North Korea 4 0 2 6
21 Spain 3 10 4 17
22 Brazil 3 5 9 17
23 South Africa 3 2 1 6
guess you dmbfcks only belittle NZs achievements because yours are so inadequate and do not fit in with the whole superior SA fallacy…
whatabunchoffarkenlosers
14 Aug 2012, 07:25 am
@poppa69-318:
Jeesus pal reign yourself in… you’re like a Kiwi that belittles Australia yet continues to enjoy the most liveable country in the world… oh wait…
14 Aug 2012, 07:57 am
@ pooper
http://www.megamaster.co.za/index.php/item/74-1000-deluxe-built-in-braai.html
Bbbbeeeooouuuyyytttiiifffuuullll!!!
So you come here to upset us and claim the interwebs areinternational you can browse where you want,yes you can but your buddy golio in china cannot.
So this is better than to spend time with family and friends…
I see another meltdown is imminent people.
14 Aug 2012, 08:08 am
cheers everyone,have a good day.
work awaits me.
later.
14 Aug 2012, 08:26 am
@Transformation-301: Damn why does Spies get one?
14 Aug 2012, 08:39 am
@poppa69-318: Hey Giulietta. What’s got you so revved up again?
14 Aug 2012, 08:44 am
@Sasuke-322: spies is nothing but a “brand”
14 Aug 2012, 10:22 am
@bryce_in_oz-319: sorry, when have I belittled Australia?
talking about things you have no idea on again Bryce? hahaha whatafckenknob..
14 Aug 2012, 10:51 am
Excuses for HM already – love it. You Keo bunch were the ones calling for winning each game a a imperative.
Anyway I think your realisation that we will struggle this year is more realistic.
But a major u-turn for you bunch
14 Aug 2012, 16:07 pm
wow brilliant vrede you have called it right the blacks will win but for fcukallof that kak excuses u give its just that they r better
bring back crusty
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