Kings in, Lions out
16 Aug 2012
Saru has confirmed that the Kings will play Super Rugby at the Lions’ expense in 2013.
This ends months of speculation about how the Kings – who were promised Super Rugby entry by Saru – would be accommodated in the tournament. After Saru’s hopes of getting a sixth franchise were dashed by Sanzar, the Lions, who finished last on the combined Super Rugby log this year, were always likely to make way for the Eastern Cape franchise.
The Lions will now have to settle for Currie Cup and Vodacom Cup rugby before getting a chance to get back into Super Rugby by playing a two-legged promotion-relegation tie against the team that finishes last in the SA conference next year.
‘All rugby provinces have been consistently in support of the need for an Eastern Cape team in the Super Rugby competition,’ said Saru president Oregan Hoskins. ‘That decision was first taken in 2005 but their inclusion has twice been postponed.
‘We made a commitment to the Kings to include them in 2013 and rugby has delivered on that commitment. The franchise represents more clubs than any other region – apart from the Stormers – and contains numerous leading rugby schools. It has been starved of top-class rugby competition for a decade and a half and now it has the chance to show what it can do.’
Hoskins said that Sanzar’s decision to grant the 15th franchise to Melbourne in 2011 – rather than the Kings – had created a dilemma for them. He said that the organisation and players had wanted a ‘rugby solution’ to accommodate six franchises in five places and this had been delivered, as challenging as it was for the relegated team.
‘The provinces asked for a rugby solution and we believe that this was the fairest and most transparent method to respond to what is undoubtedly a less than ideal situation,’ he said. ‘We also canvassed Super Rugby players before the start of the season, through the Players’ Association, and this was their preferred mechanism.’
Saru CEO Jurie Roux said that the decision to apply a promotion and relegation system from 2013 was standard practice in sport.
‘We operate promotion and relegation in all our Currie Cup competitions, with the bottom-placed team being relegated unless it wins a play-off,’ said Roux. ‘Our strategic goal is to have six strong franchises covering the whole of South Africa and this decision keeps all of them in play on an annual basis.’
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16 Aug 2012, 17:39 pm
@Dusky-245: the bulls in 2002 were the BIGGEST embarrasment to SA Rugby & the lions in 2010…did you bi.tch & moan about it?
16 Aug 2012, 17:40 pm
@David-248: ‘SARU would be contravening the SANZAR agreement with NewsCorp to play the best 150 players in SA’
So SARU are not already doing this by including the Kings in place of the Currie Cup champions ?
The ONLY fair way of doing this is promotion/relegation playoffs. At best, the Kings should be given a Currie Cup place. The poor useless f#$ks can’t get one themselves.
16 Aug 2012, 17:41 pm
transie i think dusky is a sharks supporter
16 Aug 2012, 17:41 pm
@Horings-241:
> How can you convince a young guy to play for a team where you are 500km from the nearest super rugby team?
Weak argument
If he doesn’t want to leave his hometown he shouldn’t consider playing professional sports
Half the Bulls are from the Cape, a bit more than 500km from home, and there are several Free State boys playing for the Sharks as well
These days you support the team you like even if it’s from a different city or even country like the CapeSaders
16 Aug 2012, 17:42 pm
@David-248: Daai Kite gaan nie vlieg nie. Jy se nie vir die WP of die Blou Bulle julle is saam met hulle nie.
I say make the Currie Cup a 7 team tournament with the playoffs on the weekends of the northern hemisphere Bok tour (to prevent the provinces to overplay the Boks), but only 6 teams in SA have the possibility to play Super rugby (Kings, Lions and the other big four). Then you use the Currie Cup as a promotion relegation tournament as I mentioned before.
A good loan system can overcome your last point.
16 Aug 2012, 17:43 pm
@Transformation-251: I did actually. But the Kings will exceed that level, and set a new level of embarrassment for South African rugby. That is for sure.
Even the useless Bulls that got a big zero log points the one year, would be better than the Kings. I suppose the Kings cant get less than 0 log points, but they can have 500 – 750 odd points racked up against them. That would be embarrassing, but for me very pleasurable to watch.
First South African team that I will not support when playing against foreign opposition. I will officially support ANYONE who plays against the Kings – local or foreign.
16 Aug 2012, 17:45 pm
@victoriabok-254: Exactly. Because players move in the professional system you need to have convincing power to atract players. The Kings do not have any.
16 Aug 2012, 17:46 pm
There are two elephants in the room here:
1. We don’t have 150 Super Rugby players of quality. Closer to 110, I’d say.
2. Of those 110, there are several players u/20 stars who do not get playing time at their franchises. No offense to him, but it is laughable that Deon van Rensburg plays Super Rugby, but Jan Serfontein doesn’t make the Bulls’ CC team.
At current, we will always have at least one team that will struggle in the competition.
16 Aug 2012, 17:46 pm
@Horings-257: Now they do!
16 Aug 2012, 17:47 pm
@Horings-255: Kings couldn’t even beat the Pumas in a promotion/relegation series man….what chance do you think they have of ending in the top 6 ? They will SUKKEL to beat the Pumas or Leopards and that will not get them enough points to end 6th.
You are delusional. Go have a nap.
16 Aug 2012, 17:47 pm
@Dusky-250: You are too emotional!
16 Aug 2012, 17:49 pm
@Horings-261: No – I just think you have the debating skills of a warthog. I can give as good as I get though – so keep it coming.
16 Aug 2012, 17:51 pm
@Dusky-260: Pumas are 50 km from Loftus. Leopards 100km from Lions. If the Kings are given a fair chance they will attract good players. The only manner they had was to convince a guy on the promise from SARU. Only desperate guys took on that offer. Now they have some buying power.
16 Aug 2012, 17:51 pm
Oh well, when all is said and done it will be hugely entertaining. I am actually excited to see the Kings take the field in Christchurch or Hamilton…..will be an absolute laugh a minute. We will see some 100 pointers for sure.
Lets see what Newscorp has to say then.
16 Aug 2012, 17:52 pm
@Horings-263: We’ll see.
16 Aug 2012, 17:53 pm
i know he is a sharks fan….gives all of you a bad name
16 Aug 2012, 17:54 pm
i cannot see a good player signing for just a year knowing the side is going to be relegated after the year.
16 Aug 2012, 17:55 pm
dusky is fine transie,let him be.
16 Aug 2012, 17:55 pm
@Dusky-262: You do not raise any points. You put up these 73-12 scorelines of some game a year or two or ten ago against some U21 team to argue your point. Not even going through the trouble to even look up who played.
I am not emotionally involved. I do not support the Kings and the Lions are my 2nd team. I am just trying to let all these idiots on this site see the possible logical reasons for this decision.
16 Aug 2012, 17:58 pm
this constitutes not just change but change for the better. Hows that for making sense @Dylan
16 Aug 2012, 17:58 pm
@Horings-269: Actually my tenth team after the Boks, Bulls, Blou Bulle, Blou Bulle U21, Blou Bulle U19, Blou Bulle Amateurs, Tukkies, Affies, Blou Bulle Vroue.
16 Aug 2012, 18:01 pm
@Horings-269: Ok – forget 73-12.
Lets look at this years Vodacom Cup. I dont know who the current players are for the Kings, nor do I harbor any interest of that at all.
How did the EP Kings do in that one against the Bulls, Sharks or WPs VODACOM CUP sides ?
There are no logical sport related reasons for this decision. If the EP Kings were a car, they would be slower than the Lions. Would you race them ? No….I have heard the bleeding heart ‘previously disadvantaged’ bullshit at nauseam – give me a sporting reason why the Kings should be included.
16 Aug 2012, 18:04 pm
@Transformation-266: Talk about bad names…its folks of your kin that give the whole of South Africa a bad name. In international business, people secretly laugh behind your backs at how f$cken dumb you are with your twisted, entitled ideals.
Because of people like you.
16 Aug 2012, 18:08 pm
@Horings-271: Shame jirretog….
16 Aug 2012, 18:12 pm
@Dusky-274: Ten minste is daardie wenners. Tussen al daardie spanne het hulle meer gewen as wie ookal jy skree.
16 Aug 2012, 18:15 pm
@Horings-275: Maar is net kak op die oomblik. Die oomblik is al waaroor ek bekommer. Ek worrie fokkoll oor trofees wat 100 jaar of selfs 5 jaar terug gewin was.
En die Bulle suig behoorlik op die oomblik. Ultra uber kak. Hulle moet oppas – of hulle is die volgende uit.
16 Aug 2012, 18:18 pm
eusky dink net die bulle kom laaste volgende jaar en die leeus klop hulle in die promotion relegation,of die stormers
bwhahahaha
16 Aug 2012, 18:19 pm
@Dusky-276: 6de in die Super 15. Jy skree nie vir die Chiefs nie, want hulle is die enigste span wat goed kan voel oor hulleself. Onthou jy wie het in 1997 2de gekom? Ek ook nie, maar ek weet die Blues was daardie tyd bo. Ek onthou ook wie in 2007, 2009 en 2010 bo geeindig het.
16 Aug 2012, 18:20 pm
@Horings-278: Nee – ek voel goed oor ‘n finaal. Dit so lekker gewees het om die trofee te wen maar ek wat ‘n plek in die finaal oor ‘n semi-finaal pakslae enige dag.
Ek se mos vir jou dom troep….ek gee nie ‘n fok om wat voor hierdie jaar gebeur het nie. Bulle was hond kak hierdie jaar – feite !
16 Aug 2012, 18:21 pm
@Horings-278: Die Blou Bul het van die vloer af ge-eet…veral toe die Sharks hulle behoorlik in Durban bliksem.
16 Aug 2012, 18:22 pm
“dom troep”
bwhahaha
hoe baie het ons dit nie gehoor nie?
16 Aug 2012, 18:22 pm
@Dusky-279: Ja ek sal ook maar goed voel om net te kan deelneem as ek vir die Sharks geskree het, anders was ek maar n depressiewe ou. Dit is maar seker die verskil tussen ons wenners en julle.
16 Aug 2012, 18:26 pm
@Horings-282: Nee – die verskil is julle was hond kak hierdie jaar en ons het in die finaal geval. Dit is nie moelik om te verstaan nie. En moenie depresief raak nie – want die Bulle het nog baie kak jare voor.
16 Aug 2012, 18:30 pm
@Horings-282: Eintlik is jy reg – daar is nie veel vir die Sharks om oor gelukkig te wees nie, behalwe die feit dat ons die Bulle 32 – 10 opegefok het. O – en die Stormers in die semi-finaal op Nuweland.
Ek sal daai twee dinge vat.
16 Aug 2012, 18:31 pm
dusky ek dink horings se bottel brannas is al half,help nie jy redeneer met die ding nie.
dom soos grond.
16 Aug 2012, 18:33 pm
@Dusky-283: Is dit ook nou een van jou “feite”. Die Bulle mag miskien maer jare he wat voorle, maar waarop baseer jy dit. Ons het die kampioen O21 Bokspan se kaptein, en 2 beste spelers. Ons het verlede jaar se O21 span se kaptein en ons O21s het julle opgeneuk in verlede jaar se toernooi. So waarop baseer jy jou “feit”.
16 Aug 2012, 18:35 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19-285: Lig assebielf een van my redenasies uit toe ons nog geredeneer het en nie geskel het nie, en dan wys jy vir my die swak punte uit.
16 Aug 2012, 18:35 pm
Big Vern giving the poms fits.
16 Aug 2012, 18:36 pm
@Dusky-284: Klein vissies meisiekie. Klein vissies!
16 Aug 2012, 18:38 pm
@Horings-286: Wel, julle het nie ‘n speler wat so goed soos Bakkies gaan wees nie. Julle het ook nie een wat so goed soos Victor gaan wees nie – ook nie Fourie Du Preez nie, en ook nie Gary Botha of Danie Rossouw nie.
So ek gee nie om of julle Superman het wat besig is om klaar te maak met tiet suig nie – julle gaan sappige honde tril suig vir nog so paar jare. Die spelers wat vir julle deurkom is nie te sleg nie – dit is omtrent waar dit eindig. As jy die hulle ding bymekaar gooi – dan is die Bulle kak op die oomblik. Nie lekker nie – maar waar. 4 goeie spelers in julle span. Basson, Hougaard, Steyn, Spies. Dis al.
16 Aug 2012, 18:38 pm
@Horings-289: Ja – dan het julle fokkol vissies gekry.
16 Aug 2012, 18:39 pm
@gunther-288: Duminy and the tail to replicate Melbourne heroics? Now that will have the Poms talking. Can you imagine the headlines?
16 Aug 2012, 18:40 pm
@Horings-257:
Jou argument maak nie sin nie
Eers sê jy hulle moet ‘n Super span in die streek hê omdat hulle so baie spelers* en klubs het wat geen toegang tot Super rugby het nie
Nou sê jy hulle moet ‘n span hê om spelers na PE toe te laat kom?
Watter een van die twee is dit nou?
*- Ek sal graag die getalle van die sogenaamde baie spelers geoudit wil sien, dit klink weer na struggle accounting syfers vir my
16 Aug 2012, 18:41 pm
@Dusky-291: Maar ons het al groot visse gekry. En hulle was mooi, meisiekie. Baie baie mooi. Veral daardie ene wat ons in Durban ingekatrol het. Oe, hy was die mooiste. Was jy ook trots op daardie vissie wat julle daardie dag gekry het?
16 Aug 2012, 18:42 pm
sense of entitlement van die blou bul supporters is ongelooflik
16 Aug 2012, 18:44 pm
@victoriabok-293: Quality vs Quantity. They lost all their quality throughout the years and they had some. How will you keep that quality throughout the years without super rugby participation?
16 Aug 2012, 18:46 pm
This Hoskins is daft…
“Relegation is a globally accepted outcome of under performance in world sport”
So how did the Kings get the number 1 spot? Surely Griquas was next in line or the current 2nd Div Champs?
No wonder this d00s get his arse handed to him in the SANZAR meetings.
16 Aug 2012, 18:46 pm
@Horings-294: ‘Het al’ – wat het ek vir jou gese van ‘het al’ ? Het jy klaar vergeet ? Is jy so dom soos ‘n bees ? Julle sal altyd 2007 he, maar op die oomblik het die Sharks laaste in 2011 en 2012 gelag as dit kom by die Bulle. En ons gaan julle weer hard opfok in die Currie Cup – daarvan kan julle seker wees. Wat se die rekord op die oomblik ? Sharks het 13 van hulle laaste 16 Currie Cup games teen die Bulle gewen ? Ons gaan julle weer ons ‘b!tches’ maak.
16 Aug 2012, 18:46 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19-295: Ek weet ons is ongelooflik. Besef jy dit nou eers?
16 Aug 2012, 18:47 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19-295:
. No…..with them its ‘delusions of grandeur’ – I actually know a lot of people in Pretoria that suffer from that. Must be something in the water or in that kak blue paint they paint all over themselves.
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