KeoTV: Call for the king

KeoTV: Call for the king

17 Aug 2012

MARK KEOHANE and RYAN VREDE don’t believe Francois Hougaard is the answer as a starting scrumhalf. That man is in Japan and will still play a crucial role with the Springboks.


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  • 1.puff: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 12:42 pm

    Dragons overseas who can still offer significant contributions to the Boks:

    Heinke Van Der Merwe
    Gurthro Steenkamp
    Brian Mujati
    Bakkies Botha
    Danie Rossouw
    Francois Louw
    Ryan Kankowski
    Fourie Du Preez
    Jacques Fourie

  • 2.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 12:44 pm

    Haven’t seen the video, but based on the introductory sentence, this is what I’ve been saying for some time.

  • 3.WP-Forever: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 12:45 pm

    Ruan Pienaar at scrumhalf.

    Play Hougaard at wing.

  • 4.puff: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 12:46 pm

    Other valuable overseas-based players:

    Johann Muller (good squad-team man but more formidable players coming through)
    Joe Van Niekerk (but getting on in years and a host of new loosies coming through)
    Pedrie Wannenberg (same as Big Joe above)
    Schalk Britz (so many quality hookers coming through so potentially superfluous)

  • 5.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 12:47 pm

    terrible business this shooting at lonmin.
    terrible and tragic.

    this could herald a turning point wrt popular discontent

  • 6.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 12:48 pm

    if fdp’s fit and god to go then play him.

  • 7.puff: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 12:49 pm

    9. Du Preez, Pienaar
    10. Goosen, Steyn
    11. Habana, Mvovo
    12. Steyn, De Villiers
    13. Fourie, Engelbrecht
    14. Pieterson, Hougaard
    15. Lambie, Taute

    Those are the players I’d want in the mix.

    With Jantjies, Serfontein, De Jongh, Jordaan, Basson, Aplon and Kirchner on the fringes.

  • 8.fantasticbarnsmell: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 12:50 pm

    instead of sticking your finger in the **** (yikes), why not rather look to develop a younger prospect that might pay off in the future , you guys speak like there are only 2 scrumhalves of South African nationality in the world.

    we are currently facing a situation where our choice scrumhalf and flyhalf are off their kicking games, and yet instead of looking at the game plan, we instead frantically search the geriatric ward for someone who still might still fit this predicable, archaic strategy. frustrating…

  • 9.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 12:51 pm

    Need a star fullback to make the position his own for the next 5 years. We don’t have that at ther moment.

  • 10.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 12:53 pm

    @puff-1:
    beast has been scrumming well
    but i would pick an inform gurthro without an eyelid
    he was simply monumental for toulouse in the top14 final

    bakkies if fit and inweight, which he seems to be, also gets a nod.

  • 11.greegs: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 12:53 pm

    “The king” has made himself unavailable! Only other option is Hougaard.
    Ruan Pienaar has been useless in the past and should not even be considered.
    I’d play Hougie but would include van Zyl as he looks like a prospect!
    Agree with you that Hougie should not kick at all…

  • 12.puff: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 12:53 pm

    @Tacitus-9:

    Taute, once refined, should be it – like a combo of Frans Steyn and Chris Latham.

  • 13.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 12:54 pm

    @fantasticbarnsmell-8:
    stick your finger in the dike..?..

  • 14.fantasticbarnsmell: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 13:02 pm

    @i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-13: that’s the one, should have probably considered using the american spelling to get around the keo naughty-word filter…

  • 15.willievz: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 13:11 pm

    @Tacitus-2: Agree. He is not even 30 yet, and it would be a waste not to play one of the best 9s in the history of the game.

    @Tacitus-9: Andries Coetzee.

    @puff-12: I’m not convinced about his running lines on the counterattack just yet. A better 13, IMO.

  • 16.Xkreni-WP: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 13:12 pm

    I see Sannie bill to fight the White buffalo on 17 Nov. I predict SB to be staring at the inside of his eyelids within 45 seconds

  • 17.Xkreni-WP: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 13:12 pm

    Oh and Bagel, gaan naai djou ma……..

  • 18.WP-Forever: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 13:17 pm

    @Xkreni-WP-17:

    Sies man, jy kan nie so van jou eie vrou praat nie.

  • 19.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 13:40 pm

    @fantasticbarnsmell-14:
    i would love to stick my finger in a dike.

  • 20.kaksioek: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 13:54 pm

    At the risk of sounding like Skopskiet (bless him), how ******* i n g retarded do you have to be to want Fourie ******* i n g Du Preez back for the Boks? J e s u s C h r i s t. Let’s just get Smit back too and call it a day. Better yet, let’s just pick the 22 players in the country who can kick the ball the greatest distance and they can do nothing else all day long. What a spectacle that will be, and the results will surely follow :roll:

  • 21.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 13:54 pm

    is hougaard worse than aaron smith who the kiwis have backed & made their incumbent?

  • 22.Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 13:55 pm

    Sbw is going to fight the white buffalo fransie botha
    Confirmed:-)

  • 23.fantasticbarnsmell: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 13:58 pm

    @Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19-22: he must be near middle age by now…

  • 24.puff: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 13:59 pm

    By all means bring Du Preez back.
    But please don’t make him captain.

  • 25.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 13:59 pm

    @kaksioek-20: as keo said earlier in the week “meyer needs his big guns”

  • 26.TooMuchRugby: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 14:00 pm

    The King is dead! Long live the King!

  • 27.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 14:01 pm

    @Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19-22:

    I’m not clued up on the boxing world, but surely someone like Corrie Sanders – who actually was a contender for a world title – is a far better boxer than that old overweight Francois Botha?

    Or am I wrong?

  • 28.kaksioek: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 14:01 pm

    Good grief. Francois Botha is 43. Stay classy, SBW. Maybe we should pick Botha for the Boks too. How’s his kicking game?

  • 29.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 14:04 pm

    @kaksioek-28:

    I see Botha says he’d love to fight Sani Bill. “During halftime of a rugby match, with one hand tied behind his back.”

    Hehehe. These guys sure know how to work up a bit of drama before a boxing match.

  • 30.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 14:08 pm

    @Transformation-21:
    is the comparison correct though?
    hougaard’s got about 30 caps by now (how many at 9?) and smith at 2 caps is just starting out as a scrummie. he has done ok’ish this far but consider the average deadbeats he replaced (pieman and cowman?).

  • 31.puff: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 14:09 pm

    Janse Van Rensburg
    Oosthuyzen
    Maku
    Visagie
    Cilliers
    Van Der Linde
    Van Der Merwe
    Botha
    Greef
    Van Heerden
    Grobelaar
    Minnie
    Strauss
    Rhodes
    Whiteley
    Bondesio
    James
    Jantjies
    Volmink
    Murray
    Mapoe
    Van Rensburg
    Taute
    Coetzee

    Who will stay and who will go now?

  • 32.RL: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 14:10 pm

    Hougie is a kak scrummie! His kicks from the base of the ruck is so slow and so predictable he needs a snake to protect him. Play him on the wing in place of that ubber kak Mvovo who does not know how to defend and who catch high balls launched to him.

    Get Pienaar to start and forget about that hasbeen radioactive du preez.

  • 33.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 14:10 pm

    @Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19-22:
    that fight really could go either way.

  • 34.TooMuchRugby: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 14:12 pm

    @puff-31:
    Congratulations, you know the names of most of the LIons players

  • 35.Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 14:13 pm

    Atleast Botha is not a medically boarded overweight gospel singing Islander…
    Could go anyway

  • 36.puff: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 14:14 pm

    If they stay there will be trouble…
    If they go there will be double…

  • 37.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 14:17 pm

    i hope botha moers him

  • 38.puff: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 14:19 pm

    Sharks should buy back Cilliers.
    Chadwick isn’t up to it and Herbst only plays 3.
    Cilliers will offer welcome depth and also help to alleviate Doc Jannie’s workload.

  • 39.Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 14:20 pm

    Brian Mitchell must come out of retirement and moer him proper.

  • 40.Robzim: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 14:20 pm

    @Tacitus-27:

    Sanders is a bit older than Botha and has retired years ago while Botha is still active. (albeit boxing, kickboxing and even MMA). Botha was also a contender and has in fact fought against much better opponents than Sanders (including all time greats such as Tyson and Lennox Lewis) .

    Botha is still the best heavyweight in SA and is a crafty customer who should give SBW the hardest fight of his career. In fact imo he will be the overwhelming favourite to win the fight and SBW is taking a massive risk in accepting this fight.

  • 41.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 14:22 pm

    Was listening to an expert on the radio pointing out how woefully untrained our police officers are, following the TV footage of the mine shootout last night.

    Without going into all the detail, the most prominent issue is something even I know from basic shooting range rules, and noticed immediately when watching the footage on the news.

    These cops were firing blasts of automatic gunfire at will at these approaching protestors, but some of the cops were standing 5 or 10 yards IN FRONT of their colleagues, all firing in the same direction.

    The bullets from the cops at the back were flying by less than a metre from the cops in the front, and these guys were stumbling across rough terrain, moving as they were shooting.

    It is a miracle that they didn’t drop half of their fellow cops with “friendly fire”.

    The response was so over the top, and dangerous to themselves, and this is mainly due to insufficient training in dealing with these types of situations.

  • 42.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 14:22 pm

    agreed
    sonny could see his arse in this one
    big, big gamble

  • 43.TooMuchRugby: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 14:28 pm

    @Tacitus-41:
    JaNee, hulle is definitief nie die reels van “vuur-en-beweging” geleer nie

  • 44.Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 14:29 pm

    @41
    We did urban anti-insurgency course before we went to riots.
    These guys were not in a straight line and barrels were moving across friendly bodies in front of them.
    The first order would have every taking their rifles off saftey and into the single fire pos.
    A verbal warning would follow,if ignored at order weapons would be cocked all in unison.
    Verbal warning
    Warning shots into the air
    Then deadly force and not on automatic.

  • 45.kaksioek: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 14:31 pm

    I just don’t know what we’re supposed to make of SBW’s boxing. We shouldn’t have to hear about it until he beats someone within 10 years of his own age who isn’t a complete bum.

  • 46.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 14:34 pm

    @Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19-44:

    Yes, if you saw the footage, these guys were huddled together in an unorganised group then suddenly saw a bunch of panga weilding strikers approaching.

    In panic they just let rip with their guns, nevermind whether some of their own guys were in front of them or not.

    This is being broadcast on Sky News and all over the world. What a laughing stock we must be to those countries that have trained riot police, with protocols, sequential levels of escalation of force and specialist officers dealing with different types of threats.

    Heck, even the weapons these guys were allocated were wrong. Some of them should have had shotguns (which can fire various levels of ammo, rather than allocating automatic rifles with hard ammo to the whole bunch.

  • 47.gunther: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 14:35 pm

    Cop skiet oh donner.

  • 48.bryce_in_oz: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 14:43 pm

    @Robzim-40:

    “Botha is still the best heavyweight in SA ”

    Er I think you’ve been out of the game for quite some time… Frans got smashed by an almost 50 yr old punch-drunk Holyfield in a freak-show two years ago and has not beaten any one of note in more than a decade… his K1 and kick-boxing career was woefully inept and even that was half a decade ago since his beatings… as for him and MMA… surely you jest… one half-baked K1 experiment against the then 70 odd kg Akiyama (who tapped him out like a *****)?

    Nup… just another bum on the road a-la- his mentor Choc Mundine…

  • 49.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 14:53 pm

    So how are the mofgatte, multinics, nicthieves and general cunties today….?

    Oh yes… and humble Sharks fans… and those rational King Heyneke supporters…

  • 50.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 14:57 pm

    Will be an awesome weekend if:

    - Ozzies shag the Sheepshaggers
    - Boks smack the Pumas
    - and Sharks shikka their opponents…

    Viva Keegan Viva.

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