KeoTV: Zane is Meyer’s man

KeoTV: Zane is Meyer’s man

17 Aug 2012

RYAN VREDE says Zane Kircher is the right choice at fullback in the context of the Springboks’ game plan.

 


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  • 1.Staal: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 07:54 am

    Imo this Dragon must improve..

    not sure he can…

    but who else?

  • 2.Guns: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 08:06 am

    Not quite the topic but hoping Alberts and some of the Sharks men have had some rest since all the travelling, I think Alberts was one such desperately in need as after first 10/15 of S15 final he was completely AWOL. Am sure they would have made sure of it though so looking forward to seeing Francie and Alberts back with the boys. Gna be interesting with the sharks looses reckon they may take things up a notch if they have it in them for Daniels. Zane is not a disaster at this point with the other injury at hand but he is definitely no Dagg…

  • 3.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 08:21 am

    yes, zane has limitations but who else then?

    i cannot help thinking this is reverse psych negative spin

    to get people bolgging

  • 4.papaown: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 08:25 am

    Ag Zane is more solid as a fullback than Lambie…end of story

  • 5.SamM: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 08:35 am

    Zane is average at best- definately not test material . Hopefully when Taute has recovered he can do the bussiness . We really haven’t got quality deph at fullback .

  • 6.xtremebull: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 08:53 am

    I’ve just realized that as long as there is bullsplayers in the 22 then we as boks will never be a winning team. Cry me a river!- I’d prever taute to zane on any givin day. But I’m not gonna lie about having zane there. His defense is even better then tautes. Gv em bulls a break and focus on the boks! We were devided long enough no we 1- viva boks va sa!!

  • 7.pattyfries: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 08:53 am

    I wander how much SARU paid Vrede to whip up this trumpeting praise of such a below average player

  • 8.Hondo: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 09:04 am

    @pattyfries-7:
    SARU just told him to do it
    It called ‘The Mobilised Press for the (quota) cause’, the Keos are obliged to run thread like that from time to time to promote pathetic, out of their depth players of colour, and it happened everywhere, not just in SA!
    ;)

  • 9.BrumbiesBoy: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 09:09 am

    Yo Keo, why the deafening silence from the Parliamentary Sports Connittee and their ilk re: yesterday’s main story?

    Still busy concocting their propoganda-fuelled press release I presume?

  • 10.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 09:11 am

    @xtremebull-6:
    every part of this country is turning into a right wing american corporate style circus.
    its just ‘spin baby, spin…’

  • 11.Hondo: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 09:17 am

    Kirchner’s best credentials are that he MIGHT be a better fullback than Conrad Jantjes or Ricardo Loubcher :-)
    The number of tackles he made at test level are equal the numbers times he got injured, starting with the Lions 1st Test in 2009 ;)

  • 12.Mr Black: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 09:18 am

    Why be satisfied with ordinary?

    Anyone of the following players would have been better at fulback.

    Coetzee – Lions
    Lambie – Sharks
    Aplon – Stormers
    Daniller – OVS
    Ludick – Sharks
    Van der Oosthuizen – Angler :lol:

    Need i go on?

  • 13.TooMuchRugby: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 09:27 am

    Would have been nice to comment if you could actually hear anything these two jokers are saying.
    Anyway, Kirchner is bollie, and doesn’t belong anyway near a Bok team

  • 14.Jeez: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 09:34 am

    Sa dont really have enough quality fullbacks…

  • 15.gunther: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 09:38 am

    @Jeez-14:

    Exactly.

    Which is why we need to manufacture one.

    JPP or Hougaard would be my choices.

  • 16.TooMuchRugby: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 09:39 am

    @Mr Black-12:
    @Jeez-14:
    But we do
    The guys on Mr. Black’s list (except van der Oosthuizen of course) as well as Joe Pietersen are all better options, especially Coetzee who is a very promising talent

  • 17.TooMuchRugby: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 09:40 am

    @gunther-15:
    Hougaard? Maybe not such a bad idea. Has he got the kicking game though?

  • 18.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 09:41 am

    @Jeez-14:
    coaching and planning structures in sa is horse manure.

  • 19.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 09:47 am

    that list is ridiculous save for ludik, who has been promising potential wise but was injured for long periods up to now. he looks good so far with nice form but has really only shown form late in the year for meyer to consider.

    also, going into rc tests with a green fb as a starting player is asking for trouble in terms of wider squad and bench selections.

  • 20.gunther: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 09:51 am

    @TooMuchRugby-17:

    Percy didn’t have the kicking game when he started. They have decent enough boots, nothing that a bit of coaching wouldn’t fix.

    Both JPP and Frankie are great runners in broken play are very physical and fearless in defence.

    Both would make our back line far more potent.

  • 21.Mr Black: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 09:58 am

    @i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-19:

    Would you rather play a player who came into form late in the season than a player with no form whatsoever?

  • 22.willievz: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 10:05 am

    Ryan

    If you want to argue that Zane is the right man, then – as a starting point – please spell his surname right.

  • 23.willievz: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 10:08 am

    @SamM-5: Andries Coetzee, Taute, Ludik, Daniller, Joe Pietersen, Viljoen….

    All better than Kirchner.

  • 24.nkqo6: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 10:10 am

    @Hondo-8: in 2012 a black player is still a player of colour with you , bok fans though. ja sure he’s **** and should be playing for a club side but why colour ?

  • 25.willievz: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 10:10 am

    So Ryan, if Israel Dagg was a Saffa he would not be the right man for Meyer’s gameplan?

  • 26.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 10:14 am

    @Mr Black-21:
    i think you mean to say would i rather play a player who is ‘not dazzling & electric and destined to be a great’ rather. there has been nothing wrong with his form all season, has all the necessary attributes meyer is seeking as of now and has been in the strucutres and environment already.

    no, he is not the greatest fb by a long shot but will do a job and i suspect that is meyers thinking. lets be clear, meyer is in it to win it so i dont think he will put any other ‘hondo’ type considerations or the like into it, over and above the needs for winning.

    mind you, this squad is already affected in so many positions and combos due to injuries and retirements. would it be wise for meyer to risk a new fb given this? the answer is no, of course not. i would venture that if meyer had his preffered squad available and fit he would have been a lot more open to ‘risky gambles’.

  • 27.JA-JA: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 10:14 am

    Zane is not a test player by a long shot. I’m a Biiiiiiig Bulls fan and I am sure the Bulls will have a better balanced back three if Akona plays at 15.

    Go watch Zane’s up and under kicks and see how many he gets back or how far he ends up from them not by kicking it to far but misjudging them laterally, it is shocking.

  • 28.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 10:17 am

    @willievz-23:
    that is why heyneke meyer is heyneke meyer… and you are not.

  • 29.Jeraldjay: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 10:19 am

    I like a FB that can kick not far but very far when we in our own half so that we can attack the oppositions lineout ball which traditionally has alwyas been our strength.

    He also has to have the presence of mind to see the gap and go with his gut especially in broken play, whether we are in the oppositions half or not.

    Finally he also has to be a fearless defender.

    JPP covers all the bases expect his kicking game which surely can be worked on.

    We have enough cover on the wing, so his the man.

    #inmyhumbleopinion.

  • 30.willievz: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 10:19 am

    @i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-28:

    Just because Jacob Zuma is president doesn’t mean he knows all about politics.

  • 31.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 10:20 am

    i second that

    jpp would be deadly as a fullback, with the right coaching and desire.

    it is a specialist position and requires the thinking that goes with it.

  • 32.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 10:25 am

    @willievz-30:
    fair enough.
    he will be judged by his results and on his selections so lets see how this pans out.

  • 33.gunther: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 10:29 am

    @i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-31:

    It would be nice to have a bok 15 who was a threat with ball in hand.

  • 34.Kietzphat: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 10:30 am

    Zane is just plain average… He’s not even solid. A poor man’s Johan Roets.

    Lambie has a far better rugby brain. He offers far more than Kirchner. He just needs to sort his ankles out.

  • 35.rangerman: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 10:31 am

    @nkqo6-24: you are a nz rugby supporter right?

    so why should we give a toss what you think pal, you are a dinosaur still hung up about race asnd pointing fingers at your own reflection.

    qha!

  • 36.Mr Black: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 10:31 am

    @i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-26:

    Lets agree to disagree then.

  • 37.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 10:36 am

    @gunther-33:
    how much practise does kicking require i wonder?
    he’s only 26 so has time to aqcuire it.
    how old was percy before he turned into a great kicker.

  • 38.Jeez: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 10:38 am

    but do SA’s fullbacks qualify as great fullbacks???

    Imo not really, the last great fullback SA had was Andre Joubert…. Imo a fullback should just be as dangerous as his two wings, with a enormous boot like Steyn and Viljoen… Its important in Test rugby to make the opposition pay if they fail to find touch and lose the territory battle…

    Who knows if youngster can prove to be just as effective as Steyn at 12, Steyn could move back to 15…

  • 39.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 10:40 am

    @Kietzphat-34:
    will never happen.
    meyer said as much.
    why bother..?..

    @Mr Black-36:
    no
    i disagree to agree
    accept my points
    they are bulletproof

  • 40.gunther: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 10:43 am

    Was Percy ever a great tactical kicker?

    Solid IMO no more.

  • 41.willievz: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 10:48 am

    @Jeez-38:

    In two seasons we could see Serfontein at 12, and F.Steyn at 15.

    I still think Andries Coetzee has Springbok written all over him, though…

  • 42.TooMuchRugby: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 10:50 am

    @i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-31:
    I don’t think JPP has enough natural ballskills to ever become a truly great kicker of the the ball or to be truly comfortable under the high ball.

  • 43.Robzim: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 10:51 am

    Zane is probably the best no 15 for the bok team at the moment, not that he is particularly good or would make the teams of any of the few other top rugby playing nations. He is however in good company as players like Steyn, Hougaardt, Daniels and Mvovo are certainly also no world beaters- all in all this is not a good Bok team, luckily they are only playing against the lowly Argentinians and should be good enough to grind out a fairly comfortable win. It is certainly not a match that I will pay any money for to watch.

  • 44.Robzim: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 10:56 am

    @gunther-40:

    Percy used to be a very good attacking player with fantastic running skills but sadly they coached it out of him.

  • 45.race of tan: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 10:59 am

    Hondo/Anydbidy – Hondo mentioned Conrad Jantjes, where on earth is he? HAs he retired or injured again

  • 46.Wogga22: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 11:01 am

    nobody rate willie le roux?

  • 47.wpstormerbok: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 11:03 am

    Zane’s a bit like Wynand Olivier really. Decent to very good at Super Rugby level but Internationals are just one level too far.

    Safe on the D but otherwise he runs sluggish and often loses the ball in contact either by spilling it or by getting turned awkwardly and then penalised for not releasing.

    50/50 under the high ball and his only threat from the back is taken from the Bulls Johan Roets manual of upnunder@everychanceiget.

    Poor conservative pick at 15, luckily we have Lambie on standby.

  • 48.race of tan: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 11:04 am

    wpstormerbok – Conrad Jantjes, where on earth is he? HAs he retired or injured again

  • 49.TooMuchRugby: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 11:09 am

    @Wogga22-46:
    Of course, I forgot about him because he has been playing wing in super rugby, but he is another promising talent.
    Very good attacking skills and vision. Not sure how he is under high ball and defense though

  • 50.Jeraldjay: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2012, 11:12 am

    @Robzim-44:
    I remember during the Lions Tour in ’97 when Percy played at centre he was selected by Carel for his attacking skills.

    But Jeremy Guscott refused to give his Lions jersey to Percy after the game….

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