Bekker, Habana in doubt for Boks
21 Aug 2012
Bryan Habana and Andries Bekker sustained ankle injuries that threatens to keep them out of the Test against Argentina in Mendoza on Saturday.
The duo rolled their ankles at Newlands on Saturday. Neither trained on Monday and they will be assessed later in the week to determine their availability. Bekker’s condition in particular will be of grave concern. He excelled at lineout time and his general play was very good. Heyneke Meyer had hoped to extract the best from the injury-plagued lock in the Rugby Championship, with a view to adequately filling the void left by Victor Matfield.
The Springboks’ injury toll has mounted progressively, with a clutch of senior players unavailable to Meyer. He, however, refused to lament their loss too much. ‘It’s difficult to lose guys like Pierre Spies and JP Pietersen before a big tournament like this. Between them they have almost 100 Test caps. It will be a big blow if Bryan and Andries cant play,’ he said.
‘But I think we have enough cover if we need it. There’s some great players coming forward and if they get the opportunity they must take it. The only way they’ll gain experience is by playing. The nice thing is that we’re building a big base of cover if the [incumbents] go down.’
There were no other injury concerns, but there was news on Bismarck du Plessis’ condition. The hooker seriously injured his knee early in Saturday’s Test and will undergo surgery in Cape Town on Tuesday. He is expected to be sidelined for eight months, ruling him out of all rugby for the remainder of 2012.
Adriaan Strauss will start in Du Plessis’ absence and Meyer professed his faith in the Cheetahs man.
‘Adriaan’s had a great Super Rugby tournament. He’s proved himself this year as one of the top hookers in the world. He has not played for a few weeks because the Cheetahs did not reach the playoffs, but I think he was awesome on Saturday,’ said Meyer.
180 Comments
21 Aug 2012, 08:14 am
Busmarck cannot be replaced, game plan must change for the boks to adapt. Bekker and Kruger are interchangeble as far as the line out is concerned. Without Habana we are forced to have two inexperienced wingers on the field, that is a slight problem.
I guess JJ will take up that spot or will it be Basson?
21 Aug 2012, 08:14 am
Errr why did they cart injured DRAGONS halfway across the globe?
21 Aug 2012, 08:15 am
Why is the text box leaking into the side panel in this stupid website?
21 Aug 2012, 08:16 am
Time for Bekker to go to Japan. Exciting times for Strauss – he now gets a whole season as Bok hooker.
21 Aug 2012, 08:17 am
On another note, never thought I will see the day we have a Bok player more injury prone than Andre Petoors…Bekker should change to a non-contact sport, he breaks way to quickly for rugby…
21 Aug 2012, 08:19 am
@goodstuff-3:
Ha never mind that, the sign-in box is invisible…
@kaksioek-4:
SNAP!
21 Aug 2012, 08:22 am
bekker is 29 and besides for two stellar season at superrugby level he has never lived up to his potential because of injury.
really sad.
his moment is passing.
21 Aug 2012, 08:25 am
@rangerman-7:
Wel slaat my om met a vrot vis, is he really 29 already? Why are we wasting time on him then, rather start building a youngster right now than wait for his next long term injury break…
21 Aug 2012, 08:27 am
Maybe he will step out of Matfield’s shadow once the jouro’s stop mentioning Victor’s name everytime someone says Bekker. Matfield played more **** than good games. But he had the ability to lift his game, never consistently good for a number of games.
21 Aug 2012, 08:28 am
Not good for Bekker. Rest them both play Hougaard on wing and Ruaan at 9 simple & effective.
21 Aug 2012, 08:36 am
@Guns-10: Agree, resting Habana may be a good thing as it will give Ruan a proper run at 9 and Hougaard at 14. Not sure that HM will do what’s right, he may call up Ndungane or the anyone from Pta that’s played on the wing before. I am concerned that HM says it’s a loss to loose Spoes, clearly he is retarded.
21 Aug 2012, 08:43 am
@Slartibartfast-5: I’m afraid to say I think he’s becoming a walking Elastoplast billboard…
21 Aug 2012, 08:44 am
@garth-11:
Damn you garth for stealing the point I was logging in with feverish speed to make before anyone else!
Losing Habana will be a blessing in disguise if it means Hougaard gets booted out of the no.9 position to fill in at the wing.
Then we will see some proper scrumhalf play and the course of the Bok ship will be shifted for good.
Habana can come back against Aus, then, with Hougaard moving to the bench as impact player.
This is very necessary for the good of the Boks. Hougaard is a blockage in our gameplan at 9.
21 Aug 2012, 08:48 am
Bekker has been on the sicklist for three international seasons now.
Time to move on.
Let the stormers worry about him.
21 Aug 2012, 08:53 am
@2 Conservatism!
9 Ruan 10 Stain 11 hougaard 12 Steyn 13 JdV 14 JJE 15 Zane
21 Aug 2012, 08:56 am
@viewer-15:
Agree with that backline.
21 Aug 2012, 08:58 am
@15 HM can have it both ways – won’t be handing out caps cheaply & he can even select a 5 / 2 bench if he wants
21 Aug 2012, 09:00 am
@gunther-14:
My question has still not been answered:
Why did the “tallest lock in Bok history” – as Mat Pearce likes to remind us every time he mentions Bekker’s name – not steal a single line out ball from the mediocre Argentinean jumpers on Saturday?
21 Aug 2012, 09:08 am
Next two years
9. Ruan
10 Goosen
11. Hougaard
12. Frans
13. Serfontein
14. JP
15. Swiel
21 Aug 2012, 09:08 am
Habana boarded the plane just to make up the quota numbers, there is no way he could play after the whacking he took on Saturday. Hougaard or JJ should have played in his place.
My prediction was the Argies would maim at least one key forwards at Newlands seemed to be an accurate one, the Argies now are fuming about Steve Walsh’s swindle will continue the demolition job at Mendoza, very little doubt lingers.
If Albert goes down the Boks will be in a delicate situation.
21 Aug 2012, 09:10 am
@goodstuff-1: I would go for Hougaard on the wing and pienaar to start. I like JJ but he is not ready for a start just yet , being saying now for 2 years that he will reach higher honours , sadly in the colors of the bulls though
21 Aug 2012, 09:17 am
@sparticus-21:
I also think that JJ is a better wing than 13.
So I would prefer for him to make a Bok start at wing. I think his defensive alignment is not up to scratch at 13.
21 Aug 2012, 09:17 am
@sparticus-21:
But agree that it should be Hougaard rather than JJ for now.
21 Aug 2012, 09:19 am
All fit and availalbe:
9. pienaar, 10. goosen, 11. Habana, 12. F Steyn, 13. Fourie, 14. Hougaard, 15. JPP
Jordaan covering 11, 12, 13, 14
Lambie covering 10, 15
21 Aug 2012, 09:23 am
@Tacitus-18: Because he is from Cape Town I’m guessing? I’m not a Bekker fan, and he is the reason Quinn Roux and Eben Etsebeth are never going to be the Stormers and Bok lock pairing,which is sad)
BUT:it seems as though his provincial allegiance is what actually irritates you, not his form or his weak bones…..
@Hondo-20: Two words for you: Vernon Philander…..
21 Aug 2012, 09:28 am
@Tacitus-22: His D has always been a little iffy. Which is why, I reckon, he was rarely selected for the senior teams down here when injury would strike. It is an open secret in CT, that players making the super rugby step up are selected for their abilities on ‘D’ first and foremost.
I don’t agree with it, but that’s the way the coaches roll.
JJ is a huge prospect on the WING, but even playing there he will be exposed at international level if he doesn’t add something huge to his defensive game.
21 Aug 2012, 09:36 am
If Habana is injured i would put Hougie(The Mongrol) on the wing and Ruan Pienaar at scrumhalf.
I would love to see Hougie get a game at wing, what a player to watch!!!!
21 Aug 2012, 09:37 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-25:
21 Aug 2012, 09:38 am
I feel very sad for Bissie he should have had more of a role in last years RWC but this layoff will hopefully extend his career until he next RWC
21 Aug 2012, 09:39 am
@race of tan-29:
Yes. Bismark was robbed of about 2 years of his Bok career by Smit hanging on to milk the system.
21 Aug 2012, 09:40 am
?…bekker injured, no surprise there really is there. Just surprised devilliers hasnstayed injury free for so long.
Needless to say, for all the critisizm of meyer has there ever been so many injuries to a new sa coach first up. All his experienced and even semi experienced players are dropping like flies.
?…and regardless of this, i still fancy us in all our home matches against the kiwis and ozzies.
21 Aug 2012, 09:43 am
30….not entirely true, smitty played prop in 2009 and maybe evn 2010 if memory serves correctly
21 Aug 2012, 09:44 am
@Tacitus-23: how do you feel about the news that Frans Ludekak will be the Bulls defence coach since Nienaber has re-signed with the Stormers for 3 years?
21 Aug 2012, 09:46 am
Anyway…i am thrilled for strauss at 2. He is an excellent player and leadership qualities. I would hypothesize that we looked to be missing a leader in the pack last weekend, strauss could well be the bloke to put his hand up. Lets just pray that he does not go down to injury.
21 Aug 2012, 09:46 am
The Argies will attack at the scrum, will scarify possession to get into as many as they can, HM was wrong to pick Bekker and Daniel who are pisspoor scrummers.
Not sure of the referee coming Saturday but whoever he is, Mendoza is an intimidating place and the scrums will have to be fairly controlled, not to upset the gauchos or else,,,
21 Aug 2012, 09:46 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-31: He rolled his ankle, this happens to everyone, just ask Habana.
21 Aug 2012, 09:47 am
Tacitus – DO you think Bissie will make the next RWC?
21 Aug 2012, 09:48 am
@race of tan-37:
So you also think Tacitus is HM!
21 Aug 2012, 09:50 am
31….it happens to bekker alot, in fact, i am surprised he isnstill considered a fulltime employee of wp.
21 Aug 2012, 09:50 am
Congrats to the Proteas on becoming the numero uno test team – something our Boks really struggle to achieve…
21 Aug 2012, 09:51 am
it is laughable how NOBODY hear has Sadie anywhere near their teams and it vindicates what i’ve been saying that some here are just hype gobblers…there was NOTHING concrete backing the hype re Sadie except Heyneke Meyer punting him and subsequently buying him for the Bulls.
if Sadie is such class how come he is not also in the Bok team like Morne to be “coached” to form by Meyer who rated him so much he would’ve taken him to the world cup last year?
21 Aug 2012, 09:52 am
@Transformation-41:
Who is Sadie???
21 Aug 2012, 09:53 am
41….ja, or dejong.
21 Aug 2012, 09:54 am
@Transformation-41:
Sadie showed promise. He hasn’t delivered on it.
21 Aug 2012, 09:54 am
I see a lot of people already making excuses for the coach. “I don’t think any coach has ever had to deal with so many injuries, etc etc. If you want to be the best coach around, excuses count for ziltch and worse if lose to the Argies then the world will surely end…
21 Aug 2012, 09:55 am
@Transformation-41:
…or Olivier…
21 Aug 2012, 09:55 am
Brig – Scary to think what will happen this year if JDV gets injured!! Who on earth do we have to replace him at 13? No one thats who!!!
Actually, i will get hammered for this, but i would probably play Olivier at 13 if that happened, is he available for the Boks?
21 Aug 2012, 09:58 am
@race of tan-47:
Oh please lord fobid…
21 Aug 2012, 09:58 am
If meyer starts with daniels this weekend we will get in trouble. We need to really step it up in contact this weekend and with big ball carries. We need 1 of our props to start carrying a lot more ball. Beest needs to step up. I hope alberts skills at 8 off the scrum are suit
21 Aug 2012, 09:59 am
…everyone is saying JPP will be 13 why all the stress…
21 Aug 2012, 09:59 am
Gumboots – Whoe else is there then for 13? JPP is injured, De Jongh us useless. This is if and only if JDV gets injured the Boks should have a backup 13 currently i don’t see any backup for JDV at all!!!
21 Aug 2012, 10:01 am
@race of tan-51:
De Jongh is useless you say… OK! I guess he will get one of the u/21 blokes then…
Serfontein???
21 Aug 2012, 10:02 am
Boks won’t miss Bissie at all. Strauss is an excellent all round player with better leadership qualities. Where we will miss Bissie is that with Strauss starting the bench hooker quality is not as good.
21 Aug 2012, 10:02 am
@race of tan-51:
He will probably play JJ there…
21 Aug 2012, 10:02 am
The current state of Boks scrumming should be is a concern for HM against the Pumas, if a decent referee is appointed he will have a hard time to turn a blind eye on the Boks for not binding, which by itself a frequent cause for front row injuries.
Strauss can scrum well provided he has Nel and Connie at his sides or Wiam Du Preez for that matter but scrumming down with the Beast vs the Argies will be his downfall
21 Aug 2012, 10:03 am
Should read wont miss Bissie in the starting fifteen.
21 Aug 2012, 10:05 am
Gumboots…..lets be clear on this, i expect us to beqt the argies but it will be very tight i do not believe they were given enough credit for their performance last week.
Also, i expect us to beat the ozzies and kiwis at home. In fact, the ozzies will take a pasting.
That doesnt alter the fact that meyer is probably 7-10 players away from his choice match 22.in fact….the entire pack probably doesnt even get you 50 odd test caps.
21 Aug 2012, 10:06 am
Dejong…..he,s pants.
21 Aug 2012, 10:08 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-57:
I think we’ll beat the Aussies home and away, but lose to the Kiwis home and away.
21 Aug 2012, 10:10 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-57:
I doubt the Ozzies will get a pasting from us!!! We would be lucky just to win at home.
Don’t really understand the game plan of the Boks yet. It seems they are playing the same game plan the Bulls played. I think the game has evolved. Let’s wait and see.
We have played mediocre teams thus far, so when we play the big boys we can comment.
21 Aug 2012, 10:12 am
The ozzies away…if it is in brisbane we have no frikken chance we always play supershite there. We owe the kiwis something at soccer city, we were better than them last time and lost maybe this time…..
21 Aug 2012, 10:13 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-61:
It’s in Perth.
21 Aug 2012, 10:16 am
Gumboots – I agree. The Ozzies have had the better of use the last 2 years, worst luck, so i am not too confident about beating them at all. They always seem to know how to undo the Boks!!
21 Aug 2012, 10:18 am
Johannesburg – Protesting Lonmin mine workers in Marikana, Rustenburg, grew so aggressive after they took muti from a renowned traditional healer that they believed the muti had made them invincible, it was reported on Tuesday.
“After they got the muti people were so aggressive. They just wanted to fight. They felt so invincible,” Lonmin miner Bulelani Malawana told the Daily Dispatch.
“I was offered it for R1 000. I turned it down as I didn’t believe in it,” he said.
Two miners who survived the shooting last week Thursday, said they were made to believe that if they used muti by a traditional healer known as Nzabe in the Eastern Cape, bullets fired by police would not harm them.
Malawana said he refused to take the muti as he did not believe in it.
Another mineworker said their leaders had approached them on Thursday and warned them to leave or they would be killed.
Nothi Zimanga said miners drank brown muti to strengthen them ahead of their confrontation with police.
“They were cut several times on their upper body and a black substance was smeared on the wounds.”
He said they were told that when they confronted the police they should not look back and should instead just charge forward.
They were told if they looked back, the muti would not work.
The confrontation left 34 miners dead and 78 injured.
Another 260 were arrested.
The nyanga who reportedly dispensed the muti was popular in Mbizane in the Eastern Cape.
21 Aug 2012, 10:20 am
@Tacitus-64:
I saw on the footage how when the police opened fire, the approaching group just crouched down and continued to advance, in the face of the hail of bullets.
I thought it bizarre at the time. I guess the above explains it.
21 Aug 2012, 10:22 am
What the hell has JJ Engelbrecht done this season to even deserve Bok selection? Let alone to be the official backup 13??? Waylon Murray tore him a new one vs the Lions in SR. Had Sadie stayed fit he wouldnt have even played for Bulls barring of the bench
De Jongh showied glimpses of what he can do in the latter part of SR on attack and on defense he was part of the best defense unit in SR-Stormers so he isnt weak there.Not saying he is the “messiah” but he definitely should be in squad as backup 13,if not starting because Jean isnt a 13.SA is back in position of that their captain isnt the best in any position….
21 Aug 2012, 10:25 am
Expecting Bekker and Habana to play this weekend, some ice and elevation should see them right.
@Brigadier Van Zyl-61:
Yes that Soccer City Test 2010 was a beauty……will be remembered as one of the Abs finest victories against a great Bok side, however this years Bok vintage is not of the same class as that team, so how in hell are they going to get one over the Abs……hope is a virtue…..remember the alamo.
21 Aug 2012, 10:26 am
66….you missed the memo, dejong is shite and jj is awesome.
Has anyone here seen dejong pass yet. Please keep me informed.
Tacitcus….ah, perthfontein….we have an outside chance then.
21 Aug 2012, 10:29 am
@Tacitus-65: The blame for this debacle lies square at the feet of the warring union bosses and their sangomas.
While the police hardly acted like pro’s, they wouldn’t have been needed if
the unions had not once again tried to hold employers to ransom with violence and intimidation.
The workers are just cannon fodder to them, and unfortunately they believe in what these primitive witch doctors tell them. Pretty tragic. I don’t think they are blameless, but have to wonder what went through their minds when they got lit up like that.
We need a leader who can cut these unions down to size like Thatcher did in the UK in the 80′s
21 Aug 2012, 10:29 am
@Tacitus-64:
Stupid is as stupid does.
I’d love for the police to get hold of this traditional healer that dispensed the muti and the advice that it had magical powers.
21 Aug 2012, 10:29 am
@Tacitus-64:
Same group had killed 10 people 2 days before including hacking 2 police officers and security guards.
Add the fact that they had overpowered police & guards and stolen their weapons/handguns.
Around 45 weapons were recovered from them including loaded handguns,spears,pangas,knives..
21 Aug 2012, 10:29 am
@stormer in a teacup-53: Agree 100%. Strauss is the business, and it would have been a shame if he had to warm the bench, in the way Bissie had to. Bissie’s injury terrible, but it has made sure that by the end of this year, we have TWO experienced test quality hookers. (must be honest, I have always fancies Strauss as a Bok captain type)
@mshiniwami-66: Great comment, but don’t expect any support from the ‘experts’ here. They have decided de Jongh is kak, and it’s now written in stone.
21 Aug 2012, 10:29 am
67…this is rugby and time and again we see awesome sides lose and weaker ones win. Like the ellis park test in 2000, how super ordinary was that bok side and we still put up 46 points against the ab
21 Aug 2012, 10:30 am
@Atreides-69:
Not getting into the broader debate. Just pointing out what the police were facing here.
21 Aug 2012, 10:32 am
64….lol….the miners may as well have just placed an add on gumtree for help from the A-team or the autobots.
21 Aug 2012, 10:32 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-68: Aussie teams KAKKER than their current one, have smashed Bok teams FAR BETTER than our current one.
Why do you insist on writing the Aussies off, when the truth is: we are their beeetches, and have been for a while.
Have you conveniently wiped out these traumatic memories? As things stand – the Wobblies OWN us (paid off….)
21 Aug 2012, 10:32 am
@Tacitus-74: I have to wonder where all the media and public outrage was when cops and security guards were being butchered.
21 Aug 2012, 10:34 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-76:
Good. So you’re saying if we beat the Aussies, Heyneke is a miracle worker?
Excellent. Let’s see if he can overcome these tremendous odds and sneak a win for the Boks.
21 Aug 2012, 10:35 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-72:
JdJ is a class player no doubt but honestly, come BMT time, he’s nowhere to be found.
Against the Sharks this year Semis, case in point. JP ran round him twice and he’s not even a 13.
On attack he seems to go on walk about against big defensively sound centres as well.
Not the answer at 13 I’m afraid.
And neither is JJ.
21 Aug 2012, 10:42 am
76…..well if your idea of owning us is last seasons wc…well the good luck to them.
In reality…the Sa teams have all owned the ozzies this season in superrugby and when added to last seasons wc exit…..good luck to the ozzies. I fancy that they could well get in big trouble against our addmittedly very experienced team.
21 Aug 2012, 10:42 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-73:
Yep….its on the day that counts and that is why Rugby supporters still believe their sides can get up and win against the odds
21 Aug 2012, 10:46 am
there was nothing great or beautiful about the ab – bok games in 2010. the amount of infringements and illegalities the ab’s commited and were allowed to get away with rendered ot pointless as a contest.
boks had to play beside themselves and a half just to even stay in the contest.
laughable really.
will never ever bother considering those contests.
i will not bother to list some of the team wide planned infringements.
or the refs reaction to it.
or the gimme yellow cards.
21 Aug 2012, 10:46 am
@Te Rangatira-67: yeah, the last soccer city test was vintage AB vs Boks stuff…wouldn’t mind being part of the 98 000 this year…
21 Aug 2012, 10:47 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-68: who do you think was passing to sadie in the game that “made” sadie the toast of Pretoria?
21 Aug 2012, 10:48 am
as matfield said at the time “it seems as if they are untouchable”.
21 Aug 2012, 10:51 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-80: “well if your idea of owning us is last seasons wc…well the good luck to them.”
i think she is talking about the Springboks losing 6 of the last 7 games – or something like that – against the Aussies!
You base your assertion on super rugby form?
21 Aug 2012, 10:53 am
Hahahahaha
We as Saffas are ALWAYS DELUSIONAL about the OZZIES…Always fckin delusional.They have always beaten us especially when we think they are weak..Last week they only lost by 8 points to AB’s
Australia will beat Boks in South Africa this yr. We decide to kick endlessly to the likes of Beale,Oconnor,Ashley-Cooper,Iaone….Hougaard & Morne couldnt kick thjemselves out of a cardboard box at present.And with the breakdown so MESSY get ready for heartache
Superrugby form means f*ckall in Tests, ESPECIALLY when analysing the Ozzies.Countless times their teams have bombed,some years not even made semi’s in SR…Yet boks constantly picking up ball behing their own goal posts.
Worse this year…kick kick kick Execution over Innovation Meyer mantra…..See your arse
21 Aug 2012, 10:53 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-82: oh herre hou jou bek… scratched record…
what infringements did you see at soccer city?
21 Aug 2012, 10:54 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-82:
Give it a fking rest bru.
You’re like that constantly yapping lap dog that everyone wants to poison.
21 Aug 2012, 10:58 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-82:
2010 was a great year, Houston. The year I came to really appreciate the Irish referee, they are wonderful officiators of the game of rugby…….one yellow card for you and a warning for me.
21 Aug 2012, 10:59 am
Well, the…..i,m definately putting a few rand down on sa vs the ozzies in sa.
I will remind everyone that sa only ever started losing to australia in sa when twakkie was in charge. Even seemingly equally incompetents like strauli took care of better oz sides in sa with lesser bok sides.
In my opinion.
Hell…we have beaten auzzie in sa with frikken braam van straaten and louis koen as flyhalves…..
21 Aug 2012, 11:00 am
@John Galt-89:
fok off
@Transformation-88:
you know my point transie
and i know yours
why bother
21 Aug 2012, 11:00 am
84…..aha…was that the pass that made him famous then and a perceived test match calibre 12.
Got it,sorry.
21 Aug 2012, 11:01 am
@Transformation-83:
Im going to SoccerCity this year.Should be BANANAS
Boks would have been catching it kodwa prior to that.They will sneak SoccerCity Test I think only on sheer desperation.Nothing to do with anything sustainable or measured in approach/gameplan.
21 Aug 2012, 11:02 am
@stormer in a teacup-53: Big words there bud…bissie has been driving over anything in his path this year. Agains the AB you will realise exactly how much we are going to mis him
21 Aug 2012, 11:04 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-91:
Yea same “twakkie” that led the best record vs All blacks of ANY coach in the last decade.
21 Aug 2012, 11:04 am
@John Galt-79: I left something in the shi tter this mornign with more class than JdJ. We have a serious depth problem here. One or two injuries and we will realy be exposed. JJ needs another season or two to show if the glimpses he has shown is the real deal or a flash in the pan.
21 Aug 2012, 11:05 am
Unfortunately I could not stay with you guys to comment about the cricket further as I received bad news about a good friend of mine, who was declared brain dead after an operation in Tygerberg Hospital yesterday.
He passed away in the early hours this morning.
R.I.P. bra.
Here is just some of the comments I’ve made since Sunday about the test. Pity I can’t be this accurate when playing the lotto or predicting the outcome of matches on bru.
278.nama1 said:
19 Aug 2012, 18:44 pm
346 runs in about 110 overs.
Odds are in our favour.
Get two wickets before the end of the day’s play and it’s almiost over for the Poms. Philander due a fifer or Steyn to get on the honours board at Lords by taking 6 for a ten wicket haul in the match.
(Just after we were bowled out on Sunday)
225.nama1 said:
20 Aug 2012, 14:24 pm
@XhosaKid-214:
No need to panic.
We just need to get rid of this two with the old ball.
Vernon will take care of the rest with the new ball.
(After Xhosakid scold Smith for not slowing the game down a bit)
297.nama1 said:
20 Aug 2012, 15:33 pm
@gunther-284:
The beginning of the end for the English.
Prior, Broad and Swann will frustrate our bowlers but will they be able to hold out till the new ball at least? Still nearly 30 overs to go before it becomes available.
(After Kallis caught Trott)
408.nama1 said:
20 Aug 2012, 16:30 pm
@Puma-373:
Relax Puma.
We’ll pull it through.
(When Broad was going very well and Puma started to panic)
Oh, and Pedigree, the man who made the comments about Philander was not Hondo. It was that excuse for a human being who goes by the name of Grant100.
273.grant100 said:
19 Aug 2012, 18:42 pm
Let hope steyn open the bowling with his pace and not 120km ph philander
21 Aug 2012, 11:05 am
@Te Rangatira-90:
didnt richie get not one but TWO official warnings? hehehe gotta love it.
for me 2010 was the year i came to really despise you know who.
@John Galt-89:
dis my ****** opinie en ek het die reg om dit uit te ****** spreek as ek wil!
fok jou man!
fok jou!
21 Aug 2012, 11:06 am
If Pumas make it a scrap and catch the high balls…They can beat the Boks especially with Habana/Bekker out if so
21 Aug 2012, 11:06 am
94….and do you think it was the kiwis measured approach that stole them the game last time at soccer city or deperation. I would say that whenever the boks have had a decent coach bok vs kiwi games are almost always about desperation
21 Aug 2012, 11:06 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-82: Just for you
Hansen not into refereeing debate
As referee Alain Rolland’s performance in the first Bledisloe Cup Test came under scrutiny, All Blacks coach Steve Hansen wasn’t prepared to rise to the bait in Auckland on Monday.
The stop-start nature of the Test in Sydney has resulted in talk about the game being robbed of its usual intensity, but Hansen said that was just the way it was.
“Referees are what they are and we have always got question marks about how they will interpret things and you’ve just got to adapt and adjust to those.
“The referee might have made a couple of mistakes himself but we certainly contributed to him blowing the whistle. We got off-side, it’s not his fault we were off-side,” Hansen said.
He pointed to his concerns with the All Blacks’ inability to profit from their lineout ball.
“I think we won 14 and played off about six of them,” he said. “So you’ve just halved your possession platforms you can play off and mainly through our own fault.”
“Our delivery to the halfback was pretty shoddy and we need to get some relationship meetings going there and get it sorted out.”
Hansen said the fact the team hadn’t played as well as it wanted was a good thing ahead of Saturday’s Test because it allowed the side to dig deeper for improvements.
“One of the challenges we’ve set ourselves this year is not just looking at the opponent and dealing with that side of it, it is also about dealing with the competition you have with yourself to see if you can be better than the last time you played. In sport that is a major thing to be able to do,” he said.
It wouldn’t surprise Hansen if prickly first five-eighths Quade Cooper was brought into the Australian side.
“He’s a pretty talented player and he’s got some amazing abilities and skills and he causes a lot of damage but his greatest strength is his greatest weakness like all of us and if you overplay it you become a bit predictable,” he said.
“He’s had a pretty good shake-up. He’s spoken a lot about how much it’s hurt not to be there so I’m sure if he gets selected he’ll come out firing.”
A decision on whether prop Tony Woodcock, who left the field in Sydney with injured ribs, would play would be made after training on Tuesday, Hansen said.
21 Aug 2012, 11:07 am
@John Galt-89:
i am sorry
i lost my cool
i will take a break
21 Aug 2012, 11:08 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-103: Niks soos n goeie ‘FOK JOU’ om die klep te laat gaan nie…..hehehe
21 Aug 2012, 11:11 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-92: next thinh pooper is here going off on your comments about cheating and this whole thread goes to pot…we know you think the abs cheat etc, you don’t have to remind us EVERYDAY!
21 Aug 2012, 11:13 am
@Transformation-102:
hehe
an admission by an ab coach? how shocking. i dont think he is as intelligent as gh or ws to say such things.
nothing to do with integrity.
but i’m done on the subject for a while
goodbye
21 Aug 2012, 11:14 am
I would just like to remind everyone that australia have lost to the irish and scots in the south in the past 12 months as well as the english at home a few months before that.
Hardly sides that blow the world apart with rugby ingenuity.
21 Aug 2012, 11:16 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-91:
Since the start of the tri nations SA won exactly 18/36 = 50 percent of their games against Aus, in SA the winning record is 78% and in Aus it is 22%. Australia has also won 6 out of the last 7 times the two teams meet.
Despite this results some people still do not rate Australia for some or other bizarre reason.
Why do you think that this statistics would now all of a sudden start to change?
The changes of us winning at home and losing in Australia this year is probably about 80%.
21 Aug 2012, 11:19 am
@Transformation-102:
I saw an interview with Wayne Smith where he spoke about the same thing Hansen was alluding to with regards to overplaying your strengths to the point where they become a weakness.I think this obsession with the Boks traditional strengths that HM is advocating could be placed in that basket.
21 Aug 2012, 11:21 am
@Tacitus-78: No, if he manages a win against the Aussies home and away, he will be up to scratch…..
What I am asking, is how so many Bok fans can simply refer to games against Australia as ‘gimmes, when our recent record shows otherwise.
When Heyneke pulls off TWO wins in NZ, he will deserve a ‘title’ of some kind. (Miracle worker won’t be one of them though…)
21 Aug 2012, 11:25 am
@Te Rangatira-109: I honestly don’t know how this is so hard to see for ‘certain’ fans.
Meyer honestly must have thrown something in Pretoria’s drinking water, for him to have so many blinkered and adoring groupies.
Some of them reckon a lightning bolt from the heavens will crack them up the a r s e if they DARE question anything he does or says.
Unreal.
21 Aug 2012, 11:26 am
@Te Rangatira-109: yes, there was a cloumn posted by mpundulu where wayne was talking about the Boks kicking game and how teams now automatically set up to counter-attack as they know the ball is most definitely coming back. meyer seems oblivious to all of that and wants more of the same “EXECUTION over INNOVATION”
21 Aug 2012, 11:28 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-104:
hehe
ek bedoel dit rerig nie. dit was n emosionele uitbarsting.
maar ja, somtyds is dit goed om die klep te laat gaan
@Transformation-105:
sure no problem
forget i said anything
21 Aug 2012, 11:30 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-111: Well if playing to your strenghts wins you games and trophies well then why not. HM has done what other coaches could not. You and you girlfriend might want to start looking at what the man has achieved and try for a second to realise that he knows a moer of a lot more than the whole lot of us put together.
He has the cridentials but he is yet to prove it at the top level but until he does or does’nt I suggest you shut the fark up and enjoy the show.
21 Aug 2012, 11:32 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-107: “Hardly sides that blow the world apart with rugby ingenuity” you say. You could be talking about the Boks…..
Stop thinking we have some divine right to beat Australia….They have been better than us for some time already. Is it that hard to accept?
21 Aug 2012, 11:39 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-114: I could run the 100m in Usain Bolt like speed about 8 years back…….Whoopee for my achievements.
Robbie Deans was the most successful Super ruby coach ever – whoopeeeeeee doo for his achievements 8 years back.
Heyneke won a Super rugby competition in 2007 – whooopeee do for that.
Fast forward 5 years:
I can’t drive the 100m as fast what I could run it.
Robbie Deans is living dangerously and might soon be commentating on Sky NZ or Fox in Oz.
Heyneke, well, I don’t like what I have seen from him and his ‘vision’ thus far – and I will say it, because I have been sprinkled with majic muti stuff and the insults of Bulls fans will not penetrate me – so there
21 Aug 2012, 11:48 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-116:
Brilliant.
21 Aug 2012, 11:49 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-116: Deans is still a super coach. Just unfortunate he is trying to coach a couple of idiots.
What you think of HM’s vision thusfar is irrelevant seeing nothing has really settled into a pattern yet. We’ll most probably only know that after the RC or even at year end. HM is a marathon runner and not a sprinter. His success at the Bulls will highlight that aspect.
I still believe you will be pleasantly surprised but lets wait and see.
21 Aug 2012, 11:51 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-116: Just by the way…..so you then obviously reckon Roger Federer’s success eight years ago also now goes for a ball of kak……..interesting.
It’s called experience my friend.
21 Aug 2012, 11:55 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-116: Deans must come home … to Mordor we will take him.
21 Aug 2012, 11:56 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-76:
Aug 2012, 10:32 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-68: Aussie teams KAKKER than their current one, have smashed Bok teams FAR BETTER than our current one.
Why do you insist on writing the Aussies off, when the truth is: we are their beeetches, and have been for a while.
Have you conveniently wiped out these traumatic memories? As things stand – the Wobblies OWN us (paid off….)
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-110:
110.The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food said:
21 Aug 2012, 11:21 am
@Tacitus-78: No, if he manages a win against the Aussies home and away, he will be up to scratch…..
What I am asking, is how so many Bok fans can simply refer to games against Australia as ‘gimmes, when our recent record shows otherwise.
When Heyneke pulls off TWO wins in NZ, he will deserve a ‘title’ of some kind. (Miracle worker won’t be one of them though…)
You are contradicting yourself.
If Transie wasn’t so in awe of you he would have shown you up immediately as he normaly does with SL and kie…………
21 Aug 2012, 11:57 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-114:
“HM has done what other coaches could not.”
Elaborate a bit more, please!!!
21 Aug 2012, 11:59 am
@Mr Black-121: It is obvious South Africans hate losing to Australia more than any other country – it is Dingo Blindness and failure to accept anything but victory
21 Aug 2012, 12:02 pm
@Mr Black-121: Mr Black old fellow – I think if you read between the lines (taking into account the two bloggers I was initially answering…..and their comments I have read re: P de Villiers) you might, just might, work out what it is I was saying (without contradicting myself….)
Perspective and context. Two little concepts that quite a few round here seem to think are foreign agents….
If the best you can do, is dive in with a “Ha Ha – you’re contradicting yourself”, I’m sad to say that perspective and context do not inhabit your world much either.
21 Aug 2012, 12:04 pm
@nama1-122: Won the Super 14 trophy.
21 Aug 2012, 12:07 pm
@nama1-122: Nama the structure this guy put in place behind the scenes in bulls rugby is unmatched. We are still reaping the rewards.
21 Aug 2012, 12:08 pm
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-119: Experience is way overrated my friend. Just ask Hugh Hefner….80000 sexual partners (ex-perience-in-buckets)and now the only time he get’s to see his super experienced Jedi stick is during nappy changes….
Experience is nothing but memories
Fact.
The Boks of 2010 and 2011 will confirm all of this……
21 Aug 2012, 12:09 pm
Kwagga…..people are not interested in being pleasantly surprised. Massaging egos and being able to say….i told you so i really what they enjoy.
Too quickly people forget the calibre of playingpersonal we had these past 2 season and how rubbish we played despite us having the playing confidencemof 2010 superrugby comp with 2sides in the final. And we lost to themozzies in bloem that season…..that is an instant dissmissal in coachingmterms given thensituation and players availible.
Let me reiterate that we should never ever be losing to anyone at home and in partiular the ozzies who travel historially even worse than us. As already mentioned a 6 from 7 return against the ozzies is a crime and even strauli was banking on his home wins against the ozzies…and that an ozzie side with gregan,larkham, george smith,latham at their height…
21 Aug 2012, 12:10 pm
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-126: Which is why I would have preferred it if he had been appointed as Director of Coaching at SARU, and NOT the hands on Bok coach.
21 Aug 2012, 12:10 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-124:
Pedigree, this Mr Black chap seems to be a characterture of one of my old Hannah Barbera favourites “WYLLIE COYOTE”. and you being that irksome ROAD RUNNER……beep…beep
21 Aug 2012, 12:11 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-127: Nappy changes….hehehehe
Lets give it a wait and see. We’ll revisit this topic again in a couple of months time.
Gotta run
21 Aug 2012, 12:14 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-124:
True, I wasn’t reading between the lines. I was reading the actual lines you typed, and you where preaching different gospels in them.
#justsaying
21 Aug 2012, 12:15 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl-128: Very true. Have a good one Brigadier.
Adios
21 Aug 2012, 12:20 pm
@Te Rangatira-130:
I enjoyed that myself. Why the coyote never visited his local KFC is beyond me
21 Aug 2012, 12:22 pm
@Mr Black-132: Different strokes and gospels for different folks….?
#Iknowwhoyouareandwhyyouareflapping# just saying.
21 Aug 2012, 12:32 pm
@Mr Black-134: I think you may have misread Pedigrees posts. In both she asks why we assume we will beat the Aussies do easily? I see no contradictions there
21 Aug 2012, 12:37 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-135:
I apologise for showing you up.
Will try to be more constuctive with my criticism next time.
21 Aug 2012, 12:41 pm
@stormer in a teacup-136:
Then she says beating them twice this year is par for the course and no big deal.
21 Aug 2012, 12:41 pm
@Mr Black-121: what are you on about?
winning against australia is NOT a given (as Brig van Zyl suggested) in as much as beating australia will NOT make meyer a “miracle worker” (as Tac suggested)
where’s the contradiction?
just answer the question and not talk kak?
21 Aug 2012, 12:42 pm
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-125:
Ludeke won 2.
I know…HM actually did it…from behind the scenes.
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-126:
)
WP/Stormers are starting to reap the rewards from structures put in place by Mallet/Rassie. (A final and another two semi finals in Super rugby the last three years….Yes, I know they have not won it yet.
HM is not so unique in that respect.
On the other hand, your beloved Bulls last played in a final in 2010.
They did not make the semis of Super rugby for two seasons (2011, 2012)
How are you STILL reaping the rewards of HM’s structures?
Rugby has changed quite a bit from the time when he was your coach at the Bulls.
21 Aug 2012, 12:43 pm
@stew-123: You’re right…even a loss to the Poms doesn’t hurt them that much.
21 Aug 2012, 12:51 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-141: Probably true……not sure why? I know on a personal level I have huge respect for Australia as a sporting nation and as a rugby playing country…..but it is probably true, I would rather lose to anyone but the Aussies.
21 Aug 2012, 12:58 pm
@Mr Black-137: You didn’t show me up. What is it you don’t understand about my post to the Brig….and then the 2nd post to Tacitus? Where is the contradiction hmmmmmmmmm?
21 Aug 2012, 13:00 pm
@Skeppie-142: The way I see it South Africans have always had this “We’re better than you” attitude (which they most probably were) prior to the aparheid-induced isolation.
However, the tables have largely been overturned since 1992 and South Africans cannot seem to accept this; whether they’re subconsciously blaming the isolation or not I do not know but I suspect they are.
It’s so sad really; it’s only a game.
21 Aug 2012, 13:00 pm
@Mr Black-138: Nope. I said IF Meyer can take a home and away win from the Aussies this year (BECAUSE we have been their biatches for so long, Meyer will be up to the ‘scratch’ Tacitus alleges he is…)
Do you not understand this?
Winning against the Aussies home and away would be some achievement on current standing…if Meyer can do it, I wouldn’t be so hard on him – that is what Tacitus and I have been throwing around)
Nee man. You can do better than that. Surely?
21 Aug 2012, 13:01 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-144: Aparheid = Apartheid.
21 Aug 2012, 13:02 pm
Wayne Smith won 3 Superrugby Titles with Saders
He was very avg at international level as head coach.
So Meyer’s 1 Superrugby title doesnt make him a messiah
Thats like saying had **** Muir won a Superrugby Title in 2007….He would have been our messiah/miracle worker….
21 Aug 2012, 13:03 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-145: But he still wouldn’t be a miracle worker……that title is for those who manage to beat the Kiwis, regularly…..regularly……regularly….
Lesson over.
21 Aug 2012, 13:05 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-110: @stew-123:@BrumbiesBoy-141:
These guys still see Aus as “just a stopover” for the Boks on their way to NZ.
They still don’t grasp the fact that Aus rugby became a world force in the 80′s during the time that SA was in isolation. Not even the fact that they became the 1st country to win two RWC’s can convince them that Australia’s rugby is good enough to beat the Boks on any given day anywhere in the world.
Now the Brig even takes form in the S15 as proof of his point. So let us look at the log at the end of the S15 then. Super rugby form had no bearing in the 3N in the past and will have none on the RC.
21 Aug 2012, 13:07 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-127: Nou weet ek jy is iemand wat te jonk is om internet toegang te he. Jy praat net stront!
21 Aug 2012, 13:09 pm
@mshiniwami-147:
two not three.
21 Aug 2012, 13:17 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-144: Probably not wrong…it’s not a bad thing for me though, it’s similar to the AB’s where they beleive they should win everything…it breeds a culture of winning. Althogh that said it’s important to along with that respect your opponents and doff your cap when they beat you.
21 Aug 2012, 13:17 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-144:
Jip.
That’s how I see it as well. (p. 149)
21 Aug 2012, 13:46 pm
@nama1-140: WP/Stormers are only reaping the reward of headswiping news headlines. They have achieved fakall.
AC is merely playing the Rassie playbook rather than benefitting from anything he put in place. Rassie just helped spending a sh it load of money on players. No structure to that.
Like I told Pedigree, lets leave this for a couple of months and then talk again. The odds of us agreeing on this one is zip.
21 Aug 2012, 13:47 pm
So it’s agreed then?…
This time Apartheid can be legitimately blamed!
21 Aug 2012, 13:56 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-155:
When in doubt…
21 Aug 2012, 14:01 pm
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-154:
OK.
If you believe reaching a final and two semi finals in three years, after being
in the doldrums for nearly a decade, is not an achievement, that’s your prerogative.
Now can you please go ahead and explain how the Bulls are “STILL reaping the rewards” of
Meyer’s structures?
21 Aug 2012, 14:03 pm
@nama1-157:
it’s a massive achievement.
well done.
21 Aug 2012, 14:08 pm
@nama1-149:
superrugby form is not proof of international success albeit I do believe players can take confidence into the internationals knowing that they are good enough individually to best their opposites in nz and aus.
do you think it is better getting pummelled in superrugby and then playing the 3nations with a better chance?
wake up….twakkie was working for the ozzies.
21 Aug 2012, 14:08 pm
Habs is keeping his keeping his spot with his work rate. Bismark is the worst loss , its probably just down to a very stupidly long super rugby season but all 3 teams (SA,NZ,AUS) just looked below par in their games. the worst being the boks who failed to put away the Pumas.
We can hit the panic button when Alberts gets injured because his contribution is phenomenal. imagine Bismark, Alberts ,Burger and Juan starting for the boks there would be a lot of meters gained by that quartet and we might actually stand a chance of beating the AB’s
Most importantly HM please start FH on the wing he was absolutely devastating clearly he is test winger not a scrumhalf .hes not in the same league as Genia or Smith
21 Aug 2012, 14:11 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-155:
…or people not willing to take the blinkers of their eyes.
…or people not moving with the times.
…or people just being stupid.
All of the above could be reasons as well.
21 Aug 2012, 14:17 pm
@gunther-158:
It is Gunther.
Like the first time the Bulls did not end stone last in the competition.
21 Aug 2012, 14:17 pm
@nama1-161: More likely, they ARE the reasons!!!
Pick any one, they’re all for free!!!
21 Aug 2012, 14:29 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl-159:
Twakkie working for the Aussies.
Deans working for NZ.
Who was working for us? Why did we not put Henry on our payroll?
What was our record in Super rugby in 1998?
What was our record in Super rugby in 2004?
We won the 3N on those two occasions, didn’t we? That, despite the fact that teams like the Bulls, Lions, Cheetahs were in the bottom half of the competition.(from memory)
21 Aug 2012, 14:32 pm
@nama1-162:
Or the year you were left out.
Chin up.
21 Aug 2012, 14:44 pm
@gunther-165:
…or the year you won more than one match.
‘Twas a helluva achievement for your boys.
21 Aug 2012, 15:00 pm
@nama1-166:
Are you seriously trying to have a pissing contest when your team has won fuckall in over a decade?
Even the Currie Cup would need a GPS to find it’s way to Cape Town.
Come chat to me when you win something.
21 Aug 2012, 15:33 pm
@gunther-167:
Hahaha…
Not good memories there for you Gunther.
I know we were kak for most of the decade that is why I rate a final and two semis the last three years as an achievement by my team.
Going all the way, is the next step. Hopefully not too far in the future from now.
21 Aug 2012, 15:36 pm
@nama1-157: Get focussed the Story is about Bankie alweer injured. Not the fact that Wp has won 20 of their 32 cc titles before 1939.
21 Aug 2012, 15:36 pm
@nama1-168:
21 Aug 2012, 15:37 pm
Post 170 a picture of Strompie trophey cabinet
21 Aug 2012, 15:42 pm
@nama1-157: My fok Nama moet ek prentjies teken……. Lets leave it at that. We’ll chat again
21 Aug 2012, 15:43 pm
@capebull-170: So leeg soos n hoer se hart!!
21 Aug 2012, 15:51 pm
@capebull-171:
Hahahaha…
Really funny.
Except there are two trophies in that cabinet CURRENTLY.
Vodacom Cup
Conference Cup
Yeah, I know the are not they real deal but beggars can’t be choosers.
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-172:
No, just a short explanation on how the Bulls are STILL reaping the rewards created by HM’s structures.
21 Aug 2012, 15:55 pm
@nama1-168:
don’t worry poppet.
I’m sure NEXT year will be your year.
21 Aug 2012, 15:58 pm
@nama1-174: Agreed, although my team the Bulls are trying their best to emulate that record, 2010 is already 2 years gone
21 Aug 2012, 16:13 pm
@gunther-175:
Jip, you know that’s how we roll.
@capebull-176:
With a mostly new coaching team for next year, a not too talented squad (compared to what you had) it may just take you a while before you even win the Conference Cup.
21 Aug 2012, 21:00 pm
The bulls will come good… Eventually
We have bright prospects looking forward to.
We just need 2 buy lionel mapoe to add to our rooster as akona is reaching his end of what is a succesfull career… 3 sr titles aswell as a world cup medal… The likes of pollard,hatting, willemse,serfontein,small-smith, etc etc will be gaining valuable experience and in 2014 we will conquer again… I’m patient with the bulls(not so when we loose winning games) but the future is 2 bright not to….
22 Aug 2012, 15:20 pm
Did our Team doctor not say, we would indure may injuries during the 4Ns or not?
Who’s next…Doc?
22 Aug 2012, 15:29 pm
@nama1-174: 2 more trophies than in the Bulls’ cabinet
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