Daniel out, Potgieter in
22 Aug 2012
Willem Alberts will start at No 8 against Argentina in Mendoza with Jacques Potgieter at blindside flank.
Keegan Daniel was the Bok eighthman at Newlands but was substituted shortly after half-time and has been relegated to the bench. Adriaan Strauss, as expected, replaces the injured Bismarck du Plessis at hooker, while Tiaan Liebenberg has beaten Craig Burden to jersey No 16.
‘It was a difficult decision between Jacques and Keegan, but we have gone with horses for courses this time,’ said Bok coach Heyneke Meyer. ‘We’re expecting it will be very physical early in the game and it might open up later, which perfectly suits the strongpoints of both Jacques and Keegan.
‘The Pumas also mauled quite well in Cape Town and we were not happy with the defence of their mauls, so with the extra weight Jacques brings, we will have to ensure we stop their drives.’
Bryan Habana injured his left ankle against Argentina in Cape Town and passed a fitness test on Wednesday morning.
‘Having Bryan is obviously a big boost as we’ve lost a number of players with lots of experience after JP Pietersen, Pierre Spies and Bismarck du Plessis already had to withdraw from our squad,’ said Meyer.
South Africa – 15 Zane Kirchner, 14 Bryan Habana, 13 Jean de Villiers (c), 12 Frans Steyn, 11 Lwazi Mvovo, 10 Morné Steyn, 9 Francois Hougaard, 8 Willem Alberts, 7 Jacques Potgieter, 6 Marcell Coetzee, 5 Andries Bekker, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Adriaan Strauss, 1 Beast Mtawarira.
Subs: 16 Tiaan Liebenberg, 17 Pat Cilliers, 18 Flip van der Merwe, 19 Keegan Daniel, 20 Ruan Pienaar, 21 Pat Lambie, 22 JJ Engelbrecht.
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22 Aug 2012, 21:21 pm
@Puma-148: we need to lure Cilliers back home
22 Aug 2012, 21:21 pm
@sharks_lover-149:
Dankie
22 Aug 2012, 21:21 pm
@I am a stormer-134: I am trying to give HM the benefit of the doubt….as I did with PDV….
However , he and I seem to differ on quite a few matters….
1. The Spies conondrum……
2..The M Steyn issue
3 the lack of a fetcher…..
Not sure I will ever be happy as long as we are playing this stampkar rugby I have seen for everything bit the frst 40 of the Pom test at Ellis Park…
For my sins I drove all the way to PE with mates to see the 3rd Test….
I am still pissed off at that waste of time….bloody disgusting display…
and last saturday was not much better….that Newlands crowd were muttering away after the game….people leaving with 12 minutes to go already,…thats the reality ….
so far HM has, in my opinion, not delivered…..and leaves me rather sceptical..
22 Aug 2012, 21:22 pm
@grant10-139: Jeez Grant, Not sure how Province lost two of their best school boy fhs? Pollard to Bulls and JL du Plessis to the Sharks academy next year.
Who do Province have left?
22 Aug 2012, 21:23 pm
@victoriabok-152: he is 19 years old
http://www.google.co.za/imgres?imgurl=http://www.espnscrum.com/PICTURES/CMS/25200/25246.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.espnscrum.com/southafrica/rugby/image/165639.html&h=810&w=900&sz=140&tbnid=GRiCBgiofWnv3M:&tbnh=92&tbnw=102&zoom=1&usg=__aTeV1RcWi760f61VdASxEvmOIbU=&docid=uOkK2xgS3Fx3fM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ODE1UJukFIW7hAeBvIGwDg&sqi=2&ved=0CG8Q9QEwBg&dur=1142
22 Aug 2012, 21:24 pm
@sharks_lover-138: i rate Chris Cloete….dont know the other guy
22 Aug 2012, 21:25 pm
@grant10-135: Brussouws omission for the England series was the most perplexing, stubborn call of the lot. I still remember his last game for the Boks vs the AB’s, a MOM performance in their win against the Blacks in PE and Meyer still had the gall to leave him out of the squad entirely. Hopefully he recovers from injury soon and Meyer drafts him in sharpish- he’s an absolutely vital player for the Boks .
Agree with Puma about the backrow
8-Alberts
7-Coetzee
6-Brussouw
Seems nicely balanced and complementary.
22 Aug 2012, 21:25 pm
@grant10-156: Kleinhans played in the same junior bok team that Kolisi did, 6 flank
22 Aug 2012, 21:26 pm
@grant10-156: sorry just to add, kleinhans is playing for us this weekend against the Bulls
22 Aug 2012, 21:26 pm
@sharks_lover-151: YES spot on. I really hope we can get Cilliers back. Then we sorted. Sharks should be working on that right now. I read when Cilliers was in training with the Boks while Sharks were playing the Chiefs, then once the players flew back and joined the Boks, he said he felt so great to see his them all. As they all got on so well. So we need to get our player back home.
22 Aug 2012, 21:28 pm
@Puma-160: yeah read that too
22 Aug 2012, 21:29 pm
@fitz1ella-145: I give you one player in world rugger currently has real character and courage – Aaron Cruden…
This little sheepshagger has actually got no ballas from cancer… Scared of nothing because he has stared death in the eye and won the first round… He is understudy only to DC and not for long. He is the benchmark for character in an International player…
Most of our players do no have character – they are not mentally tough enough because they have been spoilt rotten by hero worship – via 1st XV to age groups to open rugger… Heyneke Meyer has recognised this and has pinpointed it.
22 Aug 2012, 21:29 pm
@victoriabok-140: Show me where I said that about Fourie or Stander.. in Stander’s case i said good for him because he now shows Heyneke what he go get a second grade Potgieter from EP and put him straight into Boks while Stander cut his teeth through Bulls junior programs.
Fourie has shown his worth for 2 whole seasons and if the SA rugby coaches are too dumbfck blind to recognize it and promote Liebenberg and Burden and Strauss and wie nog then he got little choice but vamoose and fck off and make some tom while he can.. because leaving all that raw talent at Stormers and Boks to go unnoticed and unappreciated shows that Saffa rugby coaches have got sh’t for brains… plural…
Quin Roux, CJ Stander and now Deon Fourie is gone.. who’s next?
22 Aug 2012, 21:29 pm
Who is PSDT?
22 Aug 2012, 21:29 pm
@grant10-153:
1. He had no choice but to pick Spies as the guys he wanted to play were injured
If he had all the players he wanted we would have played Burger, Juan Smit and Vermeulen and it would have been back to the gym for Spies.
Potgieter would’nt have made the team either
2. Morne was the incumbent, he would have blooded Goosen against the Poms but he was injured
3. He said Bismarck plays the role of a fetcher, he’d rather have three big guys hitting the rucks
However now that Bismarck’s injured he might need to revisit his fetcher decision but guess what, Brussouw’s also injured
22 Aug 2012, 21:33 pm
@papaown-164: He played 7 for the Junior WC Boks. Playes for the Sharks. Is getting over a op right now. Brilliant player in the Juan Smith mold.
Check post 155.
22 Aug 2012, 21:33 pm
@Heavens Game-162: Also Nathan Charles, Western Force hooker, a guy with alot of character who has overcome daunting odds.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/rugby-gold/western-force-hooker-nathan-charles-has-cystic-fibrosis-but-is-in-line-for-a-wallabies-jumper/story-fn8ti7yn-1226362852443
22 Aug 2012, 21:33 pm
@papaown-150: brussow best 6 by country mile…..showed that by murdering stormers loose trio in the rain in bloem and killing sharks first 40 in durbs….made the other loosies look 2 nd rate
22 Aug 2012, 21:35 pm
@victoriabok-165: that’s just political speak man.
From what I’ve seen from HM I doubt that would’ve happened. He’s a skilled communicator esp. In knowing how to lead the public on when there’s debate around his selections.
It takes a politician to recognise 1
22 Aug 2012, 21:35 pm
@papaown-164:
http://www.google.co.za/imgres?imgurl=http://www.espnscrum.com/PICTURES/CMS/25200/25246.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.espnscrum.com/southafrica/rugby/image/165639.html&h=810&w=900&sz=140&tbnid=GRiCBgiofWnv3M:&tbnh=92&tbnw=102&zoom=1&usg=__aTeV1RcWi760f61VdASxEvmOIbU=&docid=uOkK2xgS3Fx3fM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ODE1UJukFIW7hAeBvIGwDg&sqi=2&ved=0CG8Q9QEwBg&dur=1142
Full name
Pieter Stephanus du Toit
Date of birth
20 August 1992 (age 19)
Place of birth
Cape Town, South Africa
Height
2.00m (6 ft 8 in)
Weight
114 kg (17 st 13 lb)
School Swartland
22 Aug 2012, 21:35 pm
@Puma-154: Watch Swiel…..and we got that Eksteen kid from Bulle…..but Swiel may prove to be the best of them all….
22 Aug 2012, 21:36 pm
@papaown-150: I dont agree that Ratel is the best 6 by far… Here’s an internet analogy – Ratel is broadband… But Coetzee is next generation… He is fibre optic.
What Coetzee can do at his age and this early stage of his career is farken off the charts, nearly unprecedented other than for a certain AB Captain.
And yes there was a loosie more devastating in defence this year than Kolisi, whether statistically or anecdotally – His name is Marcell Coetzee.
22 Aug 2012, 21:37 pm
@sharks_lover-170: It would be a huge luxury (no pun intended) to have a 2m blindside in addition to the two 2m+ locks.
22 Aug 2012, 21:38 pm
@Spiesisworthless1-167: Yeah…. Heard of him too… Awesome article though, thanks – now that is character.
22 Aug 2012, 21:38 pm
@willievz-173: for sure, and he is skillfull , fast and strong, rare breed
22 Aug 2012, 21:39 pm
@grant10-171: I have seen a youtube clip of Swiel somone put up here a few months back. He looks very good.
What about Jantjies? You think Stormers may get him? That might solve your problem straight away. There are rumours he may go to Province. Also heard rumours about Sarel might go to Stormers. Then you know you read these things and it never happens. So have no idea. But if Stormers got Sarela and Jantjies your team would be definitely a whole lot better and will score more tries for sure. Sarel’s defence will improve too at Stormers.
22 Aug 2012, 21:39 pm
@fitz1ella-163:
If we were in their shoes we’d probably have done the same
You only have a few years to make good money, and staying in SA means you’d have to play the brutal S15 week in week out with all the travel it entails.
You can (will) get injured and might lose the ability to “retire” at a European club with a big paycheque, like Juan Smit and maybe Schalk as well
Rather go while you still can, cash in and come back later to try for the Boks, the Boks spot isn’t going anywhere and the rate of attrition is such you’re bound to get your Bok opportunity sooner rather than later with money for retirement already in the bank
22 Aug 2012, 21:39 pm
@grant10-168: chris cloete will be the next Brussow, strong as an ox that boy
22 Aug 2012, 21:40 pm
@Heavens Game-162:
Our players by and large are spoiled molly coddled little daddies blue eyed boytjies… by and large.. many of them but not all of them.. your little Daniel has got character which is what allows him to punch above his weight.. Brussow got character… but so has Kolisi.. and Meyer can’t or won’t recognize it.. he recognized it in Etsebeth and Coetsee then goes about giving the kid a big ego.. in short undermining the character by heaping too much praise too soon… this Tarzan Potgieter dude I can’t somehow see much of that something special in him.. far too much a ladies boy breeker… very little of what I would look for in a rugby player emanating from there.
A. Coetsee at Lions has got character. W. Le Roux at Cheetahs got character
Serfontein and PSDT and Jordaan got some character
of which some like Spies are lacking in that commodity
Deon Fourie has got oodles of character but the dumb fck coaches here want big fat bloated teddy bears for hooker.. that why we lose the WC in the 1/4 final.. because all our players with character were riding bench and all our overrated fat bloated hero worshiped molly coddled heroes were starting… like FdP, Spies, and John the bloated bomb Smit…
22 Aug 2012, 21:41 pm
@Spiesisworthless1-157: ja bud…farken insanity….I just hope that is not ‘ personal ‘ …..Brussow must of pissed in HM cornflakes or something….its just plain farken insane !!!!@sharks_lover-158: will watch out for him…..@victoriabok-165: Excuses…..I wouldnt have Spies in the Wynberg Girls team…..and Lambie at 10 …fark even Peter pop gun Grant a far better bet than bloody M Steyn, especially with F Steyn next to him to provide some relief with the boot….no man…we want to find excuses for HM we will….
22 Aug 2012, 21:41 pm
@sharks_lover-175: Awesome player. Was one of the standout players in that JWC. SOOOOOO pleased he is with our Sharks.
22 Aug 2012, 21:42 pm
@Puma-166: there you guys go again.
A youngster has 3 good game and we elevate him to Bok status…seriously??
You see players like Messam?? That’s who I respect!! They dominate S15 3 years in a row before getting a starting berth for All Blacks. That’s character!!
That’s why I don’t understand Meyer leaving out the likes of Brussouw and JdJ. Players who’ve proved themselves and worked hard to continously show their worth! Then some young kid with flash in the pan performances dislodge them from even being looked into for a touring squad???
Disgraceful!!
22 Aug 2012, 21:42 pm
Its done and dusted… Meyer did the expected…
Few pointers…
1) Only way to see if potgieters promotion will pay off is when he is playing
2) Morne will be there till he goes overseas… And that is end of 2013… When his contract expires
3) Goosen will be the second choice flyhalf cause meyer rates him very high…
4) Sya will not be playing championship this year but well eoyt…
5)Lambie will be chosen as a fullback only
6) Ruan will always be second choice scrummie because of his ulster commitments…
7)Adriaan will be co-captain with bissy come next year
22 Aug 2012, 21:43 pm
@Heavens Game-172: I also rate M Coetsee…..but he aint no 6 HG…not a fark….that oke is a born 7 or 8….
Go watch that 1 st half in Durbs again….Brussow murdered him….really owned the oke…..
Brussow is miles ahead of him….as a 6….
But why we want to leave the sprout out for marcelle?
Fark that…play them both!!
22 Aug 2012, 21:46 pm
@sharks_lover-178: Who does Chris Cloete play for?
22 Aug 2012, 21:46 pm
@Puma-176: Sarel signed for cheetahs 2013…..Stormers suits are a crime against humanity….a farken more useless bunch of twats you will not find…..useless….I cant see us getting anyone…..unless Sharks/ Bulls dont want them
Amateurs here in CT….seriously farken useless…
22 Aug 2012, 21:48 pm
@Heavens Game-172:
Brussow will chow Coetsee at the breakdown.. mince him up for afternoon stew…
Coetsee is not a classic open side.. he is a FAR better ball carry 8th man / No.7 though too lightweight for the big boys on the big stage, he can mix it in flurries at the coal face but can’t cut it at the hard as nails collision and breakdown.. where Brussow, Kolisi, Alberts, Vermeulen, couple others can.
That why Argies had a free lunch with Coetsee, Alberts and Daniel.. all standing off waiting to be the big hero with the big ball carry and get noticed and NOBODY mixing it in the trenches…like Brussow, Kolisi and Vermeulen will.
22 Aug 2012, 21:48 pm
@Puma-185: Sharks
google him
22 Aug 2012, 21:50 pm
@grant10-184:
You have to remember that Bissie never started that game when Brussow played. Once Bissie and Alberts came on we were just too good for Cheetahs. Brussow then never just got his own way once Bissie was on. Though all of them were only on for about 8 min. Brussow never came on in the 2nd half. Bissie and Alberts came on around 32min in the first half.
But you right I would play both Coetzee and Brussow. For the future. Think Coetzee at 8 PSDT 7 and Brussow 6. That would be a brilliant loose trio.
22 Aug 2012, 21:51 pm
@sharks_lover-188: Okay then that is brilliant. Will google and look.
22 Aug 2012, 21:51 pm
@Puma-185: http://www.galloimages.co.za/image/chris-cloete-vodacom-cup-sharks-eagles/1263312/1
Check that out Pooms, he is not tall but bulit like a brick shithouse lol
22 Aug 2012, 21:52 pm
Elstadt should have been called by Meyer for the steel he is short of.. Etsebeth is not the right man for the enforcer role..neither is Vd Merwe or Kruger or Bekker
Elstadt and then PS du Toit to follow should be the guys earmarked for enforcer / along with Alberts.
And that lightie Willemse can become the next Kobus Wiese.
22 Aug 2012, 21:53 pm
@sharks_lover-188: Did Brussow not play for Cheetahs when we played them in Bloem just before we played Stormers at the tank? Just don’t remember now. Because if he did then he never got it all his own way that day. Then in that game Bissie played the full 80min.
22 Aug 2012, 21:54 pm
reality is Brussow drilled Kolisi in Bloem and Marcelle in Durbs for 40 min….
Put him in a big Bok pack?
No brainer Mr HM……
Brussow starts 4 tests vs Kiwis….wins 4….
and gets dropped out a 40 man squad….??????
Farking hell man…
22 Aug 2012, 21:54 pm
@sharks_lover-191: Okay checking it out now.
22 Aug 2012, 21:54 pm
@grant10-184: I actually see more than a few similarities in the play and workrate of Coetzee and a certain Reechie McAwe. Coetzee can actually play all 3 positions – the kid is a farken prodigy… You also forget that in Durbs Coetzee was playing a different role… Keegan was openside and yes, Ratel was farken good – but Ratel eventually got fckedup while the rest were still farken like duracell bunnies in the second half.
22 Aug 2012, 21:54 pm
@Puma-193: yes he did
22 Aug 2012, 21:55 pm
@Puma-195:
http://www.google.co.za/imgres?hl=en&sa=X&biw=1366&bih=626&tbm=isch&prmd=imvnso&tbnid=ibO11qUXupsi6M:&imgrefurl=http://www.galloimages.co.za/image/chris-cloete-absa-sharks-blue-bulls/1138013/1&docid=mSkgcRVbC6-mrM&imgurl=http://www.galloimages.co.za/Preview/1138013/TL_901338.JPG&w=450&h=327&ei=5Dc1UI3mCZCQhQeK94DwCA&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=903&vpy=147&dur=1604&hovh=191&hovw=263&tx=155&ty=91&sig=115286841712887539652&page=1&tbnh=131&tbnw=175&start=0&ndsp=22&ved=1t:429,r:5,s:0,i:87
22 Aug 2012, 21:56 pm
I will be watching the game a little closer this weekend, as I have always missed the fascination with Coetsee.
22 Aug 2012, 21:57 pm
@Puma-189: Brussow went off injured at half time which is when Plumtree called up Bismark and Alberts..
Up till that point Brussow, with Vd Walt and Viljoen OWNED your sharkshit bokkies like Kanko and Coetsee.. he OWNED all of them SOLO..for an entire 40 minutes…
Only when Brussow went OFF and Bismark and Alberts came ON did Sharks get the upper hand.. till Brussow was injured there was only one team in it and it wasn’t Sharks playing at HOME..!
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