Daniel out, Potgieter in
22 Aug 2012
Willem Alberts will start at No 8 against Argentina in Mendoza with Jacques Potgieter at blindside flank.
Keegan Daniel was the Bok eighthman at Newlands but was substituted shortly after half-time and has been relegated to the bench. Adriaan Strauss, as expected, replaces the injured Bismarck du Plessis at hooker, while Tiaan Liebenberg has beaten Craig Burden to jersey No 16.
‘It was a difficult decision between Jacques and Keegan, but we have gone with horses for courses this time,’ said Bok coach Heyneke Meyer. ‘We’re expecting it will be very physical early in the game and it might open up later, which perfectly suits the strongpoints of both Jacques and Keegan.
‘The Pumas also mauled quite well in Cape Town and we were not happy with the defence of their mauls, so with the extra weight Jacques brings, we will have to ensure we stop their drives.’
Bryan Habana injured his left ankle against Argentina in Cape Town and passed a fitness test on Wednesday morning.
‘Having Bryan is obviously a big boost as we’ve lost a number of players with lots of experience after JP Pietersen, Pierre Spies and Bismarck du Plessis already had to withdraw from our squad,’ said Meyer.
South Africa – 15 Zane Kirchner, 14 Bryan Habana, 13 Jean de Villiers (c), 12 Frans Steyn, 11 Lwazi Mvovo, 10 Morné Steyn, 9 Francois Hougaard, 8 Willem Alberts, 7 Jacques Potgieter, 6 Marcell Coetzee, 5 Andries Bekker, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Adriaan Strauss, 1 Beast Mtawarira.
Subs: 16 Tiaan Liebenberg, 17 Pat Cilliers, 18 Flip van der Merwe, 19 Keegan Daniel, 20 Ruan Pienaar, 21 Pat Lambie, 22 JJ Engelbrecht.
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22 Aug 2012, 21:58 pm
@sharks_lover-191: Yes just checked. He is stocky and built similar to Brussow.
@sharks_lover-197: Yes I thought he did. In that game Brussow never got it all his own way. Could have been because owe had Bissie playing. In that first 32min at the Tank against Cheetahs Bissie was on the bench.
Actually I would like to see how Marcell goes at 8. I think he would be great there with PSDT at 7 for Sharks. Well with Kanko playing the way he did then Kanko at 8. But think Marcell would be a top class 8 really.
22 Aug 2012, 21:59 pm
@Puma-201: owe = we
22 Aug 2012, 22:04 pm
@fitz1ella-200: I was at the game Skop. Bissie came on around the 32min mark. Wondered why he brought him on then and not after the break. But I can tell you in that 8min Bissie was on Brussow never got it his own way. NOT saying he must not be selected for Boks because I think he must, just saying if there is another quality fetcher then sometimes he does not always win the fight at the breakdowns. Brussow played against us in Bloem with Bissie on the whole game and he never owned us that day Skop. Then also Marcell at the tank against Cheetahs played at 7 with Keegan at 6 with Kanko at 8. But definitely when Bissie came on the whole game changed. I know Brussow went off after the half but there was about 8min with Bissie and Brussow on in the last bit of the first half.
22 Aug 2012, 22:04 pm
@Heavens Game-196: Coetsee is blind side or 8th man.. not open side… he cannot compete with Pocock, Brussow, or Messam, even Kolisi at the crunch game.. only in the open fast lane is where you notice him.. in the trenches he goes AWOL like Daniel, Spies and Kankowski do .. he’s not in McCaw’s league .. he’s a ball carrier, that’s his better role, fast and furious but a little short on power and tenacity in the big crunch game… which is why Brussow owned both him and Kanko for 40 minutes in Durban all on his own.
22 Aug 2012, 22:05 pm
@Heavens Game-196: I am Marcelles biggest fan….awesome work rate, destructive tackler and skills getting better and better….briliant youngster, and deserves a spot on form in bo0k loose trio….
But this HM hybrid stuff leaves me cold…..and I dont see it being fair on Marcelle…..he is built like a 7 / 8….
That Hooper oke is gonna give him loads of pain…….and MC Caw is a magician on the deck….
Why the fark HM would contemplate going into battle against those okes without brussow is very confusing for me….
22 Aug 2012, 22:06 pm
coetzee is too small too be a modern looseforward superstar. I think he;s going to be short-lived, once the hype tapers off. Daniels is faster and has got a bigger workrate. I think coetzee, daniel and kanko are good super rugby players, but the Boks ABs and Oz have better looseforwards.
22 Aug 2012, 22:07 pm
@Puma-203: Brussow was already injured by then because he ran your entire loose trio ragged on his own for half an hour there was only one loose forward on the field and it wasn’t Kanko or Daniel or Coetsee it was Brussow with some help from his sublieutenants Vd Walt and Viljoen.
22 Aug 2012, 22:07 pm
Anyhow for the future I think Meyer should try Coetzee at 8.
8. Coetzee
7. PSDT
6. Brussow
That I feel would be our best loose trio. PSDT is also brilliant in the lineouts. So we miss nothing with Brussow being shorter at 6.
22 Aug 2012, 22:08 pm
he is not a fetcher, or a too-the-ball player, brussow is a fetcher.
i see meyer is nervous about sat and has brought potgieter in – if alberts goes down there’s going to be a pomping on the cards, but i still reckon the argies might take them close.
22 Aug 2012, 22:08 pm
2 best fetchers we have is Brussow……gap……F Louw……
Kolisi is more a 7 / 8 as well in my opinion…..
I see Steggmann is playing again…on form he is brilliant as well….
22 Aug 2012, 22:08 pm
PSDT also hits the rucks. Like a enforcer type player and also has very good skills.
22 Aug 2012, 22:10 pm
Coetzee’s position is 8 – nowhere else – he’s not a fetcher and def not a blindside flanker – no way in hell, 102kgs, no chance.
22 Aug 2012, 22:11 pm
@cab-206: Ag come now CAb , Kolisi is smaller than Coetzee, I never took you for one that didnt know how to give credit where its due,
Coetzee has been the most consistent Loose forward in sa and top most of the stats along with Daniel.
and please dont come with this it is just because its super 15, its the same for all the loose forwards , that includes the majority of the best in the world
22 Aug 2012, 22:11 pm
Now without Bissie for the Oz and Nz tour we need to bring in Brussow.
There Meyer will have to play:
Either Coetzee at 8 or Alberts.
8. Alberts
7. Coetzee
6. Brussow.
We sorted then. Or:
8. Coetzee
7. Alberts
6. Brussow
Either way it will work. Though next year with PSDT he should start at 7 and Coetzee at 8. Just my opinion.
22 Aug 2012, 22:12 pm
@fitz1ella-187: Bullshit man! Ratel is an outstanding player… World Class even. But he is at the very peak of his abilities. Coetzee however is better in some spheres of the game already – frequency of carries and frequency of tackles to name just 2… Most of his carries are effective and they wear down the opposition.
But you know what is scary – he is still learning the short cuts and cheats that Brussouw knows and yet he is not far off Ratel… Coetzee also has an offload game already that Brussouw can only dream of.
He also hardly makes mistakes – and not from hiding – because by most stat measures he consistently has the highest work rate in the Green and Gold.
In short Marcell is probably at about half of his full potential – but that half is more than most at 100%, including Ratel.
22 Aug 2012, 22:13 pm
yip Kolisi is more 7 / 8 but he’s much harder than Coetsee.. he’ll smack Coetsee sideways in a head on one on one…. maybe less frenetic and less activity but Kolisi hits hard and way above his weight.. Kolisi got big ball character.. pity that dumb doos Meyer can’t recognize it and plays softcock moron’s like Tarzan swinging ball breakers instead.
22 Aug 2012, 22:14 pm
Kolisi can play blinsider cos he’s got that momentum-stopping hitting power and leg-drive – despite being just over 100kgs himself, kolisi is lean muscle not gym muscle, but its essential to have Alberts or Vermeulen in at least one of the posis and brussow in the other – the third spot i;d give to kolisi with coetzee off the bench when it becomes looser and he can use his speed to exploit the half-gaps.
22 Aug 2012, 22:15 pm
@cab-212: The kiwi presenter on Reunion Tony said that Coetzee was like a Schalk Burger only BETTER because he had skills and don’t just go to ground and also don’t just hog the ball. They said, Coetzee’s off-loads is one of the best for Sharks with Keegan.
Coetzee makes more tackles than any of the players for the Boks or Sharks.
Give credit Cabbie.
22 Aug 2012, 22:15 pm
@fitz1ella-204: AWOL you say? Well then I say you lost your marbles with that last sip of absinthe you must be farken drinking like Koolaid… Mad!
22 Aug 2012, 22:16 pm
@fitz1ella-216: Oh ffs go sober up, only in Kolisi’s dreams, yeah we know all things powerfull come form the cAPE, thats why the Sharks for the most fark up your foul winds
22 Aug 2012, 22:17 pm
Thats right Coetsee must go to 8 and stay there he will be far better than Kanko or Spies at 8 until Arno Botha challenges him for that spot… he is not an open sides backside as Brussow showed him in no uncertain terms…
Kolisi also a bit small for 7 and 8 but Kolisi punches way harder than Coetsee pound for pound.. Kolisi smacks big locks and props into reverse gear.. while Coetsee is seeking out the limelight in the fast lane.
22 Aug 2012, 22:17 pm
@Puma-218: Puma thats not the Cab we know, he never used to suck up to the likes of Skop, now his whole head stick up Skops ***
22 Aug 2012, 22:17 pm
@Puma-218:
Coetzee is about half the size of schalk, he;s a completely differnt player, schalk in his youth was a moerse battering ram that smashed ppl back in the tackle – coetzee is a pacey rangey ballrunner with an offload game as you say and gets through alot of tackles that are not big hits.
22 Aug 2012, 22:19 pm
@fitz1ella-221: NO doubt ur Flucking totally dillusional
22 Aug 2012, 22:19 pm
@fitz1ella-207: Yes brussow had done just that but what I was SAYING was he never done that when Bissie came on. Also never done that when Bissie played in the Bloem game.
I rate Brussow Skop so you don’t have to rant and rave at me. I want him selected. Just saying if there is aonther world class player he is playing against, then he may need help from his loosies or other players like Bissie (when back fit) to help.
22 Aug 2012, 22:19 pm
@sharks_lover-222:
ou doos talks alot of ****, but he;s right here about various wp players that are better than their sharks counterparts. just because i dont agree with you on these points, does not mean im sucking up to anyone, i call my own tune, i dont care if you like it or not.
22 Aug 2012, 22:19 pm
@cab-223: Firstly Cooetzee is in excess of 106 kg’s get your facts straight
22 Aug 2012, 22:20 pm
@grant10-205: Actually Coetzee has similar stature to McCaw but with Guns like Pocock… You reckon Hooper will give Marcell “loads of pain”…. HOOPER!??!? Come now… Dont be farken absurd… Coetzee will eat him, Chinese Water Torture style – Death by a thousand cuts before he or you even know its happened…
22 Aug 2012, 22:20 pm
@cab-226: Well i dont agree . but dont make false statements about a player to enhance a player you prefer
anyhows i’ll give you the full player stats soon
22 Aug 2012, 22:22 pm
@cab-223: That is what the kiwis said. He was just a battering ram. With Marcell they said you get that but a player with skills that can think and run around the player too and off-load in the tackle and not just go to ground. THEY said it not me. I am telling you how much they rate Marcell. Saying he would be in the AB team if he was a kiwi. The find of the season they thought. They thought very highly of him.
22 Aug 2012, 22:22 pm
got a feeling HM has issues other than rugby with Brussow…
anyhow..got to run
outta here
cheers
22 Aug 2012, 22:22 pm
@sharks_lover-213:
SL, you rate him and many others including HM do, I am merely giving my opinion, it could be completely wrong, but I maintain despite all the kenners knowledge that after 1 Bok season, coetzee is going to struggle imo to maintain his position in the Bok team – and sat could be a big eye-opener allround.
22 Aug 2012, 22:24 pm
@Heavens Game-228: not on the deck….Hooper will sort him out quick sticks….so will that Gill oke….
but outta here now…
22 Aug 2012, 22:24 pm
@sharks_lover-229:
ill make whatever statement i want, who is to what is false and what is true – stats schmats, according to the stats matfield make an extraordinary number of tackles, completely useless as tits on a buffalo in terms of tight 5 dominance and getting go-forward momentum.
22 Aug 2012, 22:26 pm
@sharks_lover-222: Ja I have no idea. Think it is Cab just changes his tune every few years…………hahahaha. Well it seems like that to me.
22 Aug 2012, 22:26 pm
@grant10-233: I disagree. Cheers
22 Aug 2012, 22:26 pm
Sharks site has Coetzee at 106 kg’s and 191m
Kolisi 1.86m and 101 kg
Burger 1.93m and 114 kg’s
22 Aug 2012, 22:26 pm
I wish Kolisi was given a chance. I really do. That Potgieter creature makes amateur mistakes and acts without thinking. Kolisi at least has some composure and a brain to go with it.
22 Aug 2012, 22:27 pm
@grant10-231: so long nice to see you back
22 Aug 2012, 22:27 pm
@grant10-231: I think he will bring him back Grant. I hope he does.
Cheers bud. Good to catch up and chat again.
22 Aug 2012, 22:27 pm
@cab-234: fair enough, just i used to value your opinion,
22 Aug 2012, 22:28 pm
@pattyfries-238: Well I wish he had a chance too this weekend instead of Potgieter. Feel for Kolisi just dropped like that while we have Potgieter instead.
22 Aug 2012, 22:29 pm
i’ve seen coetzee dumped and do a prima special – that says it all – plenty talent but no ways a blinsider – gdam are u lot blind – the Boks have had some of the toughest best blindsiders of alltime – Andre Venter did not huil and had a frame twice the size of coetzee.
22 Aug 2012, 22:31 pm
Pogieter is as bad as Spies – big mistake we will never see loose ball
Coach has lost his marbles
22 Aug 2012, 22:33 pm
@sharks_lover-241:
well i still value your opinion, just wheneve a sharks player is concerned i take it with two bagfuls of salt – SL you got B&W blinkers on def no question.
22 Aug 2012, 22:34 pm
@fitz1ella-221: Do you ever go back and read the sht you post? You must blush bright ****** red.
22 Aug 2012, 22:35 pm
@cab-245: Cab , go check out all the stats for the year, i have also seen Kolilsi dumped numerous times
You cant compare Marcell to Andre Venter, hell theres hardly a loose forward ever you can compare to him
22 Aug 2012, 22:36 pm
@cab-245: I have also never said MArcel is a 6, he is a 8/7
It is HM thats playing him at 6, he never plays there for the Sharks
22 Aug 2012, 22:36 pm
@fitz1ella-221: @cab-226: Only one thing I can agree with you comedy club fools abou this whole loosie argument is that the further Spies stays away from the Boks the better.
He has a distinct lack of ballas and what finally did for me (in the playoff Bulls vs Saders) was him rapidly chasing down Freuan on a break, followed by running slightly ahead of big Robbie – dont know WTF kind of side on tackle he was trying to achieve – only to do a literal somersault after Freuen gave him a half hearted hand off.
Naah. Spies has cooked his goose.
22 Aug 2012, 22:37 pm
@cab-243: That Dean Mum hand-off was a freak incident with Coetzee being off his feet at the moment of impact. Won’t happen again.
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