Daniel out, Potgieter in
22 Aug 2012
Willem Alberts will start at No 8 against Argentina in Mendoza with Jacques Potgieter at blindside flank.
Keegan Daniel was the Bok eighthman at Newlands but was substituted shortly after half-time and has been relegated to the bench. Adriaan Strauss, as expected, replaces the injured Bismarck du Plessis at hooker, while Tiaan Liebenberg has beaten Craig Burden to jersey No 16.
‘It was a difficult decision between Jacques and Keegan, but we have gone with horses for courses this time,’ said Bok coach Heyneke Meyer. ‘We’re expecting it will be very physical early in the game and it might open up later, which perfectly suits the strongpoints of both Jacques and Keegan.
‘The Pumas also mauled quite well in Cape Town and we were not happy with the defence of their mauls, so with the extra weight Jacques brings, we will have to ensure we stop their drives.’
Bryan Habana injured his left ankle against Argentina in Cape Town and passed a fitness test on Wednesday morning.
‘Having Bryan is obviously a big boost as we’ve lost a number of players with lots of experience after JP Pietersen, Pierre Spies and Bismarck du Plessis already had to withdraw from our squad,’ said Meyer.
South Africa – 15 Zane Kirchner, 14 Bryan Habana, 13 Jean de Villiers (c), 12 Frans Steyn, 11 Lwazi Mvovo, 10 Morné Steyn, 9 Francois Hougaard, 8 Willem Alberts, 7 Jacques Potgieter, 6 Marcell Coetzee, 5 Andries Bekker, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Adriaan Strauss, 1 Beast Mtawarira.
Subs: 16 Tiaan Liebenberg, 17 Pat Cilliers, 18 Flip van der Merwe, 19 Keegan Daniel, 20 Ruan Pienaar, 21 Pat Lambie, 22 JJ Engelbrecht.
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23 Aug 2012, 00:17 am
@kaksioek-300: go sell it to the national coach…. he’s the moron that plays Spies or Kankowski at 8 and Etsebeth at 4 enforcer and Potgieter as his barnstorming paratrooper gone wrong….
Its not that difficult to put a team together.. its simple as ABC .. I been singing Coetsee to 8 with Kolisi and Alberts 6 & 7 for a LONG time already .. and Elstadt into the mix as the steel in the pack either of bench to cover for Alberts or starting 4 and if Brussow was fit he would start at 6 and Kolisi probably off bench.
But fact remains in a one on one collision encounter Kolisi is harder and tougher than Coetsee… sing it any way you wanna do but those the facts.. no matter what that dumb little imbecile prickface katmancant or you or HG or SL or HM may think.. those are the facts.
23 Aug 2012, 00:19 am
Get some sleep Skop. Goodnight.
23 Aug 2012, 00:23 am
Oh well……I may as well join in here.
Lets see…..I was banned from the Rugby365 site for calling Heyneke Meyer a “PLANK”. This was apparently akin to “hate speech” and “racialism” no less……and the chief chirrup Jan De Koning banned me…..for the third and last time…..after calling Dumbtree Dumbtree…..and for some other obscure reason….I forget now.
Anyhow…..with HM bringing in a brain dead missile with a busted guided system in the shape of Potgieter I believe that HM is showing himself yet again to be a plank of note.
I cannot believe that a bash it up moron like Potgieter is being touted as the “next best thing”? He has no brains, no finesse, no distribution skills….and loses the ball in contact half the time he carries it. His defense is rubbish as he slips off tackles frequently….and the only positive thing about him is that he’s BIG. WOW….what a recommendation?
Sorry…..but I am fast losing all respect for HM…..he really is nothing more than a plank with a hard on for his own Bulls players. Siya Kolisi should have been given his first cap about 10 times before Potgieter was even allowed to BUY a Bok jersey from a Mall!!
Right…..I’ve now referred to HM as a “plank” on 4 different occasions in this comment……I’m wondering if it’ll get me banned from this site to?
23 Aug 2012, 00:34 am
@CT Shark-303: don’t be silly, you don’t get banned from Keo unless you are skopskiet aka fitz1ella.
Anything goes here, insults are the name of the game. Do your worst.
23 Aug 2012, 00:43 am
@CT Shark-303:
Naw, the worst that will happen here if you call him a plank is that one of his groupies (the head groupie is a bloke called Tacitus) will threaten to hit you with a plank or ask you to take the plank out of your own eye. But you will certainly not be banned .
23 Aug 2012, 01:06 am
@CT Shark-303: Make peace with the fact that every coach has his favorites that won’t make sense to anyone but himself. PDivvy got a hard on every time Fourie DuPreez made eye contact even more so when Fourie was well past his prime. And the mere mention of Adi Jacobs made him come in his pants. Same with Heyneke – he selects his caveman lookalike from the Bulls because he can. Not because it should make sense to everyone.
23 Aug 2012, 01:53 am
@CT Shark-303: I wont go a far as to call HM names however i agree 100 % about your assessment of Potgieter
Basically he does the same thing over and over again
Takes the ball up and flops tot eh ground when any opposition player is near him
He has no clue how to off load and I dont believe he can pass a rugby ball at all
Often when he does dive the ground he loses the ball or its stolen from him,
His defense is very suspect. He runs around like a headless chicken often falling off tackles.
At least Daniels is smart and can off load and can tackle and has great speed (handicapped by HM)
I do like Alberts at 8, but Kolisi should be there
Potgieter is another Spies
23 Aug 2012, 04:21 am
Deysel is the best momentum stopper not in the squad. Potgieter will be gone soon and the Cape can rejoice in unison when Kolisi is called up to the big leagues. Coetzee at 8 sounds like a good idea but it’s not a move you pull in Mendoza, it’s something you try a little lower down first.
23 Aug 2012, 06:44 am
Amazing how SA coaches picks a squad with their provincial glasses on. Nz will put 30 past this team and even Aus will beat this mob. This team lacks direction ,skill and will rely on mistakes to score points. Kick and chase and lets hope the ball bounce our way. At least the bokke cant finish last
23 Aug 2012, 07:21 am
Rubbish team morne steyn useless jacques potgieter useless zane kircher useless keegan daniel useless flip van der merwe useless, boks will be thumped in aus abd nz heyneke is becoming an embarassment like de villiers,
23 Aug 2012, 07:23 am
Soringboks suck with this team
23 Aug 2012, 07:24 am
@fitz1ella-301: I ask again. Is your rugby knowledge better that your music knowledge?? I think you are a fake. A pretender. Kindly give us your background in coaching and/or refereeing. You are inventing your own facts. Loser.
23 Aug 2012, 07:26 am
@Robzim-305: Lol
23 Aug 2012, 07:39 am
@optiplay-312:
Skopshite has one of the worst track records of predictions on Keo… so take anything the old toothless Chihuahua says with a pinch or seven of salt… he’s here for entertainment value and even that has worn thin with his disgusting vitriol and temple-throbbing cursing… typical Bakkie-bouer…
As for this X player MUST be in the team to neutralise Hooper or Y player MUST be in the team to neutralise McCaw nonsense… 90% of this thread miss the point…
Until the ENTIRE pack are hunting as a unit and clearing out opposition on their own ball and counter-rucking en-masse on opposition ball… it won’t make a single difference who X and Y are…
Boks are still not hitting the rucks and clearing out with zeal in twos or threes (min) nor are they counter-rucking like Malaka’s on opposition ball… free reign for opposition pilferers (and players slowing the ball down) and handing them quick ball from their own rucks…
But alas… muppets still think playing X player will negate all the above single-handedly…
23 Aug 2012, 07:43 am
@CT Shark-303:
snaaks
23 Aug 2012, 07:44 am
@lightie-308:
With Deysel finally finding his feet again after injury (albeit only in the CC)… he’s already capped and I’d have him in the side over Potgieter any time of the day… but I reckon he’s there as another LO option with their 2nd go-to man (nope not a lock) but Spies is out…
23 Aug 2012, 07:46 am
@CT Shark-303: Nothing wrong with what you said.
Freedom of Speech is what I call it and everybody should be entitled to voice their own opinion (within reason of course).
I was also just trying to think who the two most successful coaches in SA Rugby history were, can anybody help me?…
23 Aug 2012, 07:55 am
@BrumbiesBoy-317:
Kitch Christie – 100% record and a WC.
Nick Mallet with his almost record wins in a row, ended up above 80% I think.
23 Aug 2012, 08:06 am
@Slartibartfast-318: more Koos
23 Aug 2012, 08:09 am
@Slartibartfast-318: Kitch and Felix Dup both have 100%. Then its Cecil Moss and Nelie Smith, (83 & 80), Izak van Heerdern, Danie Craven and then Mallet at 71%
23 Aug 2012, 08:17 am
Boks need to protect the ball more we all saw it so did McCaw and Co! Agree to start Potgieter for this 1 he may even hurt a few players then bring Daniels on when there may be some tired legs. Argies will def look to get that mall going again. Boks should reply with a few of their own!
23 Aug 2012, 08:19 am
@trupisero-320:
No point adding anyone from pre-95… it’s an entirely different ball-game in the modern game.
23 Aug 2012, 08:21 am
@trupisero-319:
More Trup.
23 Aug 2012, 08:23 am
@bryce_in_oz-322:
Probably true and Kitch slips in because for all intends and purposes he coached a professional team…in the amateur era mind you!
23 Aug 2012, 08:32 am
Hopefully the locks will pull their wight as well, and do not leave all the cleaning work for props and loosies.
23 Aug 2012, 08:33 am
@Slartibartfast-324:
Agreed… just slips in… or probably best we no longer used his short reign as a benchmark the way the game has changed… Mallet with his 17 streak record is the benchmark for mine…
23 Aug 2012, 08:34 am
@bryce_in_oz-326: Until he got Mad Coach disease
23 Aug 2012, 08:44 am
@capebull-327: and SARFU got dumbfck disease which they are still struggling to overcome.
23 Aug 2012, 08:54 am
@trupisero-328:
Bwhahaha must be contagious, I know a few people who got it!
23 Aug 2012, 09:04 am
@Slartibartfast-318: mallet 71%
23 Aug 2012, 09:19 am
@capebull-327: @trupisero-328:
Yes indeed on both accounts…
23 Aug 2012, 09:32 am
Heineken should have been coach instead of PdV, his tenure would have been either marginally better or marginally worse, and Mallet would have been our natural progression. Now we’re stuck with an ordinary coach for (perhaps) 4 year with a worse group of players than PdV had.
23 Aug 2012, 10:18 am
@Slartibartfast-324:
Kitch never played NZ, Aus, France or Eng AWAY from home. One should always keep that in mind when talking about his 100% winning record as coach.
23 Aug 2012, 10:32 am
@Spiesisworthless1-332: How can you judge so quickly ?
23 Aug 2012, 10:43 am
‘It was a difficult decision between Jacques and Keegan, but we have gone with horses for courses this time,’ said Bok coach Heyneke Meyer.
-That must be the biggest load of bulldust I have ever heard. Tell me, Mr Meyer, what course suits Pierre Spoes? And must you really lose a game before seeing what all of us have been saying since the first test against England. Hougaard is no scrumhalf, and you are probably sitting with the most in form scrumhalf and place kicker on the bench. take off your blue glasses you chop.
23 Aug 2012, 10:44 am
@capebull-334: His sentiment’s. He’s publicly stated that he believes in execution over innovation. He’ll stick to the kick and chase game-plan terrified of moving out of his comfort zone. That inherently limited game-plan will yield the 60 + % win rate we’ve come to expect over the years.
Some of his selections have also been baffling, notably the omission of Brussouw for the England squad. Almost like he was stubbornly trying to prove a point about the breakdown expecting all his forwards to have a hybrid fetching ability- well those views have also fallen flat and the Boks didnt even have to come up against Warburton, Pocock and McCaw to disprove them.
23 Aug 2012, 11:07 am
@Spiesisworthless1-336: So which coach in South Africa believe different, look Stormers ???
Brussow got injured and still is. For any fetcher to be effective your T5 must work , thats where we lacking at moment.
23 Aug 2012, 11:08 am
@coma-335: Just go back into your coma , its very piecefull there
23 Aug 2012, 11:20 am
@capebull-337: Yes, most of our coaches in this country are k ak and it’s probably our achilles heel. Meyer isn’t worse than most of the other candidates but a guy like Nick Mallet is, by far, the best of the lot and was available.
Besides him, there are so many international (read ANZAC) assistant or backline coaches that could have added significant value to the Boks. Remember the effect Louden and Campese had on the Bulls and Sharks fortunes in Super Rugby? Eddie Jones in the 2007 RWC? Mitchell and Plum in the Currie Cup? It’s not only Meyer but our whole coaching team that will keep us pegged at a certain level below where we could be.
Brussouw wasn’t injured before the England tour but Meyer still didn’t consider him.
It’s not all doom and gloom, as long as Meyer adapts and learns from the knocks he will surely take. So far he seems to think he knows it all and will stick to what he knows. That’s what we should be concerned about.
23 Aug 2012, 11:21 am
@fitz1ella-301: And your coaching pedigree is ?????
23 Aug 2012, 11:23 am
A new Guiness World Record attempt started this morning at 8am @ SuperSport Park in Centurion.Braaiboy(Gareth Daniels) is going to try and set a new record of 60hours for braaing non stop.Please pop in at any time and give the oke some support/company.Tell him Chunt du Fernly sent you.
23 Aug 2012, 11:26 am
Su per Sp ort P ark.B raaiB oy(g areth dan iels)
23 Aug 2012, 11:26 am
You know you cant actually compare Kolisi’s season with Potgieters
Potgieter was very good at the start of the season and has been pretty average since his injury
Kolisi on the other hand has been a man on a mission with a massive performance week in and week out, even with a depleted loose trio.
If Meyer hadnt gone with Coetzee and instead senior players only (which I woudnt agree with) I could undertand Kolisi’s ommision. But with Coetzee being selected and doing such a good job and cant see why Kolisi isnt in the starting line-up as well, makes no sense. Alberts, Coetzee and Kolisi would make the AB,s and Aussies nervous, Potgieter as England showed… not so much
23 Aug 2012, 11:28 am
I also believe that Brussouw should be back in the mix, having three ball carriers in your back row is unbalanced.
Of the players that will hopefully be available after the Argie tour this should be the ranking:
8 Vermeulen/ Coetzee
7 Alberts/ Coetzee/ Stander
6 Brussouw/ Kolisi
With these combinations we need Kruger on the bench to sustain our line out dominance.
23 Aug 2012, 11:29 am
@Spiesisworthless1-339: The problem is winning , if you what to win play coservative that is the perception.
I am not sure about your take on Brussouw-fetcher role, HM is the one that played Stegman at Bulls.
Rassie was 6 with Mallet , also not a fetcher. I rate Brussouw, he almost won the Sharkies alone.
Rugby is a game that has room for everyone, tall ones, fat ones , slow ones , fast ones, if we lose that and all players look like Alberst , it will be a sad day indeed.
23 Aug 2012, 11:29 am
@goodstuff-344: I doubt that Vermeulen will play this year.
23 Aug 2012, 11:30 am
@capebull-340: snoeky once told nick mallet how to select his team when nick was trying to have a beer with his mates.
nick left soon after for italy saying “i dont feel safe knowing that man with the crazy eyes, massaging his nokia like a string of worry beads, is still out there”
23 Aug 2012, 11:31 am
The Boks will win in Mendoza, Steve Walsh will take care of it,,,,
However, the Argies hit hard, more so at the gaucho country’s back yard which makes the probability of another key forward getting injured pretty high!
Albert and Etzbeth combined took more than 50% of the tackles made by the forwards last Saturday, along with Marcel Coetzee they are the likely ones to limp off because the defensive load at the test not shared by all the forwards!
and then what?
23 Aug 2012, 11:33 am
Help is on the way:
“The Free State Cheetahs are hopeful of seeing big guns Heinrich Brussow, Coenie Oosthuizen and Johan Goosen return from injury in the next two weeks.
All three players are in the final stages of recovery from injury, and have a good chance of being included in the team to face the Sharks next weekend.”
23 Aug 2012, 11:36 am
@capebull-346: Did he not play against Griquas this past weekend?
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