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		<title>By: umkhonto</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/08/22/latest-blow-could-bury-lions/#comment-2207020</link>
		<dc:creator>umkhonto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 04:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2206820&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;greegs-30&lt;/a&gt;: You support the Lions but you paint, KDK and Moggee as the villians, you need check Lions history , when KDK took over the Lions were in debt of 48 million, they had lost a 80 million cash, which had disappeared since 1996 which Dr Louis Luyt left in the coffers.
KDK and Moggee are the people who are been hit from both sides the public and the passengers that they had to retrench last year.
It is easy to jump from a sinking ship not easy to salvage it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2206820" rel="nofollow">greegs-30</a>: You support the Lions but you paint, KDK and Moggee as the villians, you need check Lions history , when KDK took over the Lions were in debt of 48 million, they had lost a 80 million cash, which had disappeared since 1996 which Dr Louis Luyt left in the coffers.<br />
KDK and Moggee are the people who are been hit from both sides the public and the passengers that they had to retrench last year.<br />
It is easy to jump from a sinking ship not easy to salvage it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rooibaard2000</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/08/22/latest-blow-could-bury-lions/#comment-2206982</link>
		<dc:creator>Rooibaard2000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hell there are some dimwitted commentators on this site (goodstuff, Staal etc.) Give it a year or two and wait to see the slime coming from PE. Keo and his ladies have the stadium management contract, Cheeky is involved... will your venom be as potent then?? Kings do not deserve a place in S15 PERIOD. (Lions needed a wakeup and hopefully this is it). There are other unions with more legitimate claims to S15, well ahead of the Kings...especially now that the whole Transformation facade has been dropped!!

Anyhow losing Super Rugby is not the death of a union, how else do you explain the existence of the 9 smaller unions? Plenty of crud to sweep out at GLRU and some tough decisions to be made. If made correctly then a few years down the line you f***ers will wish we had stayed relegated. Cheetahs will be a non -entity within the next 3-5 years and Kings will fizzle from the word go. It is in SA rugby&#039;s interests to support the re-birth of the Lions, considering the size of the feeder pool that just got shut out of the big league by Roux and Hoskins. Hope the money was worth it boys ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hell there are some dimwitted commentators on this site (goodstuff, Staal etc.) Give it a year or two and wait to see the slime coming from PE. Keo and his ladies have the stadium management contract, Cheeky is involved&#8230; will your venom be as potent then?? Kings do not deserve a place in S15 PERIOD. (Lions needed a wakeup and hopefully this is it). There are other unions with more legitimate claims to S15, well ahead of the Kings&#8230;especially now that the whole Transformation facade has been dropped!!</p>
<p>Anyhow losing Super Rugby is not the death of a union, how else do you explain the existence of the 9 smaller unions? Plenty of crud to sweep out at GLRU and some tough decisions to be made. If made correctly then a few years down the line you f***ers will wish we had stayed relegated. Cheetahs will be a non -entity within the next 3-5 years and Kings will fizzle from the word go. It is in SA rugby&#8217;s interests to support the re-birth of the Lions, considering the size of the feeder pool that just got shut out of the big league by Roux and Hoskins. Hope the money was worth it boys <img src='http://keo.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: goodstuff</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/08/22/latest-blow-could-bury-lions/#comment-2206889</link>
		<dc:creator>goodstuff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sorry, but this is a lost cause, to the players, get out while you still can.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but this is a lost cause, to the players, get out while you still can.</p>
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		<title>By: Transformation</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/08/22/latest-blow-could-bury-lions/#comment-2206823</link>
		<dc:creator>Transformation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2206820&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;greegs-30&lt;/a&gt;: :lol:]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2206820" rel="nofollow">greegs-30</a>: <img src='http://keo.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: greegs</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/08/22/latest-blow-could-bury-lions/#comment-2206820</link>
		<dc:creator>greegs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here I am, a proud Lion supporter! They were not booted out of the Super 15 for their administration problems, they were booted out to give the Kings a go.  This is major eff up by SARU by doing it this way.  The right way was by having a promo relegation match first.  Also, how can they give the Kings a year only?  So, both unions have been given a bitter pill which is not right and not in the interests of SA rugby. Mr De Klerk and his henchmen at the Lions should all be fired for what has transpired.  That&#039;s what should happen.  The Kings can play, I won&#039;t be shouting for them though.  LIONS4LIFE....and you all can kiss my liily white ass!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here I am, a proud Lion supporter! They were not booted out of the Super 15 for their administration problems, they were booted out to give the Kings a go.  This is major eff up by SARU by doing it this way.  The right way was by having a promo relegation match first.  Also, how can they give the Kings a year only?  So, both unions have been given a bitter pill which is not right and not in the interests of SA rugby. Mr De Klerk and his henchmen at the Lions should all be fired for what has transpired.  That&#8217;s what should happen.  The Kings can play, I won&#8217;t be shouting for them though.  LIONS4LIFE&#8230;.and you all can kiss my liily white <acronym title="Keep it clean!">***</acronym>!</p>
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		<title>By: numba4lock</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/08/22/latest-blow-could-bury-lions/#comment-2206817</link>
		<dc:creator>numba4lock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[a poorly run union with a bunch of really good players]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a poorly run union with a bunch of really good players</p>
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		<title>By: sparticus</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/08/22/latest-blow-could-bury-lions/#comment-2206471</link>
		<dc:creator>sparticus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amazing how the pro lions lions (anti Kings) are quiet today.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing how the pro lions lions (anti Kings) are quiet today.</p>
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		<title>By: RedCard</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/08/22/latest-blow-could-bury-lions/#comment-2206429</link>
		<dc:creator>RedCard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 06:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2206054&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sharks_lover-7&lt;/a&gt;: @&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2206052&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Brigadier Van Zyl-5&lt;/a&gt;: Dis nou nie regtig of die Sharks nie verdien om geshnaai te word nie. Ludik/Alberts debakel... En dan noem ons nie eers al die poaching wat hulle oor die jare in Bloemfontein gedoen het nie.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2206054" rel="nofollow">sharks_lover-7</a>: @<a href="#comment-2206052" rel="nofollow">Brigadier Van Zyl-5</a>: Dis nou nie regtig of die Sharks nie verdien om geshnaai te word nie. Ludik/Alberts debakel&#8230; En dan noem ons nie eers al die poaching wat hulle oor die jare in Bloemfontein gedoen het nie.</p>
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		<title>By: RedCard</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/08/22/latest-blow-could-bury-lions/#comment-2206427</link>
		<dc:creator>RedCard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 06:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The article heading should&#039;ve had the word &quot;further&quot; at the end of it...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article heading should&#8217;ve had the word &#8220;further&#8221; at the end of it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Staal</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/08/22/latest-blow-could-bury-lions/#comment-2206414</link>
		<dc:creator>Staal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 05:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Imo.....

The Lions are already toast.....

I heard the story that on matchday at Ellispark they search you for weapons at the entrance, if you haven&#039;t got any ... they give you one!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imo&#8230;..</p>
<p>The Lions are already toast&#8230;..</p>
<p>I heard the story that on matchday at Ellispark they search you for weapons at the entrance, if you haven&#8217;t got any &#8230; they give you one!</p>
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		<title>By: Umlungu</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/08/22/latest-blow-could-bury-lions/#comment-2206408</link>
		<dc:creator>Umlungu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 05:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Manie Reyneke and Jannie Ferreira are the cause for this meltdown at the Lions and if de Klerk does not put  a man with balls and the savvy of rugby in there to pull them out of this cess pit the Lions will be toast.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manie Reyneke and Jannie Ferreira are the cause for this meltdown at the Lions and if de Klerk does not put  a man with balls and the savvy of rugby in there to pull them out of this cess pit the Lions will be toast.</p>
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		<title>By: RugbyStudent</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/08/22/latest-blow-could-bury-lions/#comment-2206405</link>
		<dc:creator>RugbyStudent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 03:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m just glad I don&#039;t have to go to that dump Ellis Park anymore. Bring on FNB stadium!

I presume alot of the side unions will start to look at their own franchises like the Kings did.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just glad I don&#8217;t have to go to that dump Ellis Park anymore. Bring on FNB stadium!</p>
<p>I presume alot of the side unions will start to look at their own franchises like the Kings did.</p>
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		<title>By: SjamBok</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/08/22/latest-blow-could-bury-lions/#comment-2206403</link>
		<dc:creator>SjamBok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 03:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2206310&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;umkhonto-17&lt;/a&gt;: I think he meant broederbond in the sense of a bunch of useless Afrikaner cronies sitting around all day giving each other hand jobs, pulling in executuive salaries and doing nothing much else.

It was probably the same bunch of guys that backstabbed Luyt&#039;s son in law(who was probably the only person driving the ship at the time) because Jannie Ferreira promised them sweeties.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2206310" rel="nofollow">umkhonto-17</a>: I think he meant broederbond in the sense of a bunch of useless Afrikaner cronies sitting around all day giving each other hand jobs, pulling in executuive salaries and doing nothing much else.</p>
<p>It was probably the same bunch of guys that backstabbed Luyt&#8217;s son in law(who was probably the only person driving the ship at the time) because Jannie Ferreira promised them sweeties.</p>
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		<title>By: SjamBok</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/08/22/latest-blow-could-bury-lions/#comment-2206402</link>
		<dc:creator>SjamBok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 03:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2206092&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-12&lt;/a&gt;:  To be fair it is not De klerk that was doing this - it was that fool Jannie Ferreira that left the GLRU in a helluva state - makes you wonder what they were doing for the last 15 years. They weren&#039;t negotiating contracts, they weren&#039;t staffing the Lions with adequate resources or facilituies, they were not attending to conditioning, or putting in professional structures, or talent identification structures, or structures for nurturing grassroots black involvement, or coaching succession, or...or... or...  and the list goes on! And they were CERTAINLY not overseeing good financial regulation and governance!

Honestly I think they spent 15 years picking their noses and surfing the &#039;Net. I feel sorry for whoever has hired these idiots subsequently... PS does anybody know what Jannie Ferreira and his cornies are doing now?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2206092" rel="nofollow">The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-12</a>:  To be fair it is not De klerk that was doing this &#8211; it was that fool Jannie Ferreira that left the GLRU in a helluva state &#8211; makes you wonder what they were doing for the last 15 years. They weren&#8217;t negotiating contracts, they weren&#8217;t staffing the Lions with adequate resources or facilituies, they were not attending to conditioning, or putting in professional structures, or talent identification structures, or structures for nurturing grassroots black involvement, or coaching succession, or&#8230;or&#8230; or&#8230;  and the list goes on! And they were CERTAINLY not overseeing good financial regulation and governance!</p>
<p>Honestly I think they spent 15 years picking their noses and surfing the &#8216;Net. I feel sorry for whoever has hired these idiots subsequently&#8230; PS does anybody know what Jannie Ferreira and his cornies are doing now?</p>
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		<title>By: SjamBok</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/08/22/latest-blow-could-bury-lions/#comment-2206401</link>
		<dc:creator>SjamBok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 02:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jannie Ferreira (Lions): &quot;Let&#039;s work together to make millions from professional rugby by sharing players and contracting players together.&quot;

Puma/Leopards: &quot;OK. How is this going to work?&quot;

JF (Lions): &quot;Ag never mind that, we will sort it out as we go along. I promise I wont screw you over.&quot;

P/L: &quot;Ag thanks man, thats real nice of you.&quot;

Seriously, WTF?   What kind of high level manager would even think of running such a high level deal on a handshake and a prayer? A franchise agreeemnet dealing in huge sums, without a written contract of any kind...

 It boggles the mind just how USELESS these guys were.   And I am referreing to the Pumas and Leopards top mangement as well. If they are still in their positions, I think a vote of &quot;no confidence&quot; is well overdue for them....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jannie Ferreira (Lions): &#8220;Let&#8217;s work together to make millions from professional rugby by sharing players and contracting players together.&#8221;</p>
<p>Puma/Leopards: &#8220;OK. How is this going to work?&#8221;</p>
<p>JF (Lions): &#8220;Ag never mind that, we will sort it out as we go along. I promise I wont screw you over.&#8221;</p>
<p>P/L: &#8220;Ag thanks man, thats real nice of you.&#8221;</p>
<p>Seriously, WTF?   What kind of high level manager would even think of running such a high level deal on a handshake and a prayer? A franchise agreeemnet dealing in huge sums, without a written contract of any kind&#8230;</p>
<p> It boggles the mind just how USELESS these guys were.   And I am referreing to the Pumas and Leopards top mangement as well. If they are still in their positions, I think a vote of &#8220;no confidence&#8221; is well overdue for them&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Transformation</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/08/22/latest-blow-could-bury-lions/#comment-2206382</link>
		<dc:creator>Transformation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[why is everyone acting like this is NEWS? 

i have been saying this since LAST YEAR already! on the 27 january when heyneke meyer was announced as bok coach SARU asked the Pumas, Leopards to hold off the court action they were planning &amp; allow SARU to mollycoddle the Lions some more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why is everyone acting like this is NEWS? </p>
<p>i have been saying this since LAST YEAR already! on the 27 january when heyneke meyer was announced as bok coach SARU asked the Pumas, Leopards to hold off the court action they were planning &amp; allow SARU to mollycoddle the Lions some more.</p>
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		<title>By: umkhonto</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/08/22/latest-blow-could-bury-lions/#comment-2206343</link>
		<dc:creator>umkhonto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 20:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2206052&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Brigadier Van Zyl-5&lt;/a&gt;: I see you think Karma got Lionel, well fact is this player was been paid just over R6000 a month to play for Free State.  The Sharks took him in a paid him a proper amount but the Cheetahs contract forbid him to play for the Sharks. The Lions then asked Free Sate to take over his contract which Free State were happy to oblige. So Lionel did not Schnie the Cheetahs, they were paying him peanuts and no rugby player will play under those circumstances.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2206052" rel="nofollow">Brigadier Van Zyl-5</a>: I see you think Karma got Lionel, well fact is this player was been paid just over R6000 a month to play for Free State.  The Sharks took him in a paid him a proper amount but the Cheetahs contract forbid him to play for the Sharks. The Lions then asked Free Sate to take over his contract which Free State were happy to oblige. So Lionel did not Schnie the Cheetahs, they were paying him peanuts and no rugby player will play under those circumstances.</p>
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		<title>By: umkhonto</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/08/22/latest-blow-could-bury-lions/#comment-2206310</link>
		<dc:creator>umkhonto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 20:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2206123&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;RL-14&lt;/a&gt;: You know so much about the Broederbond, why don&#039;t you inform us who at the Lions is from the Broederbond. You must be very enlightened you know about this support staff in the Lions that must go. I think you just chirp  behind a keyboard and think people will believe you, show us the facts if you such and expert.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2206123" rel="nofollow">RL-14</a>: You know so much about the Broederbond, why don&#8217;t you inform us who at the Lions is from the Broederbond. You must be very enlightened you know about this support staff in the Lions that must go. I think you just chirp  behind a keyboard and think people will believe you, show us the facts if you such and expert.</p>
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		<title>By: mshiniwami</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/08/22/latest-blow-could-bury-lions/#comment-2206292</link>
		<dc:creator>mshiniwami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 20:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hahaha

Long time coming

Been running union like a spaza shop

Not even a diluted CC win last yr could cover the intrinsic deficiencies indicative of the union

Taute
Mapoe
Jantjies
Strauss
Caylib Oosthuiyzen
Cilliers
Rhodes
Murray
Coetzee
Minnie

Decent players]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hahaha</p>
<p>Long time coming</p>
<p>Been running union like a spaza shop</p>
<p>Not even a diluted CC win last yr could cover the intrinsic deficiencies indicative of the union</p>
<p>Taute<br />
Mapoe<br />
Jantjies<br />
Strauss<br />
Caylib Oosthuiyzen<br />
Cilliers<br />
Rhodes<br />
Murray<br />
Coetzee<br />
Minnie</p>
<p>Decent players</p>
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		<title>By: viewer</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/08/22/latest-blow-could-bury-lions/#comment-2206164</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 18:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reaping what they sowed]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reaping what they sowed</p>
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