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MARK KEOHANE and RYAN VREDE agree that Morne Steyn is the best flyhalf we have in the context of what Heyneke Meyer wants to achieve with his game plan.
KeoTV: Stop Steyn bashing
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416 Comments
24 Aug 2012, 10:02 am
Ah, but now they will blame the ‘context’ or the game plan…
24 Aug 2012, 10:05 am
Have to agree with you Keo. Although I have never been the greatest fan of M Steyn, I do think he is the best for what HM wants to achieve.
What always amazes me is how people mock M Steyn for his ultra conservative approach.
Sure, he isnt a Dan Carter or Quade Cooper but the Bulls not only won their 3 SR titles, but won them whilst also being in the top 3 try scoring teams in each year. (correct me if Im wrong here)
He had to have been doing something right. (I realise D Hougaard was the 10 in the SR final that shall not be mentioned.)
24 Aug 2012, 10:11 am
Further to my comment above, i do think teams have become wiser to the old box kick and up and under game plan by picking wingers and full backs who are great under the high ball. Corey Jame for example.
In this regard, M Sten does need to add another arrow to his quiver if SA is going to beat these guys in the coming tests and seasons.
Looking forward to how Goosen performs in the next few weeks as well. Perhaps a call up for the latter stages of the RC?
24 Aug 2012, 10:11 am
Funny thing is still that Morne was actually a running flyhalf before he had to change for the Bulls.
Do they still have those ‘ditches’ around the Argies fields? Maybe they added Piranhas since the boks last game there.
24 Aug 2012, 10:11 am
Before the start of last week’s match, Morne “Toilet” Stain was sitting on 77% with his Test place kicks. I always thought he was at least 80%
24 Aug 2012, 10:18 am
people can bash away all they want
i’m sure he doesn’t give a damn
24 Aug 2012, 10:20 am
Joumasetoilet.
24 Aug 2012, 10:21 am
@Bouts-4: Hmmm… that makes me wonder. Will Jean possibly have a target on his back after that incident.
24 Aug 2012, 10:27 am
Again, this article repeats my position on this issue almost perfectly.
Looks like sense is returning to the world.
24 Aug 2012, 10:28 am
@Tacitus-9:
Article = Random conversation that happened to be recorded on camera.
24 Aug 2012, 10:40 am
when i have nothing good to say i prefer to keep quiet
24 Aug 2012, 10:42 am
since 2010 we have been out thought, out played and out strategised by Aussies and Kiwis….
Hope we have a plan B to counter them this year under Meyer…..surely we must look at evolving a more attacking game? The backs against ARgies were dismal.
Read a good article in Sports Illustrated last night by Mallet about bringing back Brussow and dropping Spies [ obviously written before the Spies injury ] …Interesting stuff…
24 Aug 2012, 10:45 am
@Transformation-11:
well, thats new…
24 Aug 2012, 10:45 am
@grant10-12:
We are in Step 1 of the Process this year.
Be patient.
The nice thing is, Step 1 involves us still moving up the rankings from where we ended after the PDivvy era.
24 Aug 2012, 10:46 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-13:
Hehe.
24 Aug 2012, 10:47 am
The man who comes into the mix, Jacques Potgieter, is the one under pressure to vindicate Meyer’s faith in him, a faith that does not appear to be shared by that many critics, as Duane Vermeuelen is fit again and may well be poised to be introduced to the loose-forward mix for the Australasian leg of the Championship.
Indeed, even if the Western Province No 8 doesn’t make the progress in his comeback from injury that is needed for him to be selected to tour, there is a chance that Meyer will have Ryan Kankowski available for that trip.
When he made the squad selection in Worcester a few weeks ago, the Bok coach hinted that Kankowski would be back once he had been given a chance to settle at his Japanese club.
It’s also not beyond the realms of possibility that Fourie du Preez will be back too, so there is plenty for Francois Hougaard to play for too
24 Aug 2012, 10:48 am
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24 Aug 2012, 10:51 am
@grant10-16:
That is a good news allround.
Jacques Potgieter is a stopgap, and is not intended to be the long term answer in the starting line up.
I would prefer a team with Alberts back at flank and Kanko in at 8.
Then we can choose between Potgieter and Daniel as the impact player, depending on the opposition.
But for this game, Potgieter is the right choice. It is going to be brutal, over there in Argentina.
24 Aug 2012, 10:51 am
@Tacitus-14: Right now I am feeling rather under impressed with Heyneke…the omission of a recognised fetcher form the squad leaves me concerned….and I am no M Steyn fan as you know….
Anyway….lets see what happens….
Between the boring boks and even more boring Stormers 2012 has been a rather dismal rugby year for me so far…
24 Aug 2012, 10:52 am
The best props in SA:
LH: Beast, Coenie, Kitshoff, Cilliers
TH: J DuPlesis, Coenie, Malherbe
Coenie has the potential to be really world class. He should focus on TH.
For the future:
LH: Kitshoff
TH: Marcel vd Merwe, Malherbe
Report as inappropriate .
24 Aug 2012, 10:57 am
@Tacitus-18: Truth be told I know very little about J Potgieter and have seen him play only a handfull of times….
He must be damn good to have made team ahead of players like Kolisi, Elstaht, Minnie, F Louw, etc….
will watch him closely tomorrow….will be a tough game for sure, but Boks will come through I reckon…
24 Aug 2012, 10:59 am
how can we be the beat in the world with this guy.when percy played bad he got booed at loftus sp why should we let go of morne.and for how long have we cried foul about kwotas that should not be there now we have a good flank who is there o merrit and he is not even in the team???
24 Aug 2012, 11:00 am
Grant10
Ah, I see the source of your misplaced frustration then. It is based not on an underestimation of the ability of Potgieter, but on an overestimation of the abilities of the alternative names on your list.
24 Aug 2012, 11:03 am
@Tacitus-18:
If Potgieter is just a stopgap, who in your opinion is HM’s preferred 2nd flank at no. 7 behind Alberts?
To me it looks as if Alberts is the stopgap at 8 and that Potgieter will always be part of HM’s plans.
24 Aug 2012, 11:05 am
Nama
Juan Smith. Perhaps Burger. Perhaps Duane. Probably CJ Stander and Arno Botha also feature there, in the medium term.
24 Aug 2012, 11:07 am
@nama1-24: If fully fit, I think this would be HM order of preference:
8. Vermeelen, Kanko, Spies, Daniel
7. Smith, Alberts, Potgieter, Steph du Toit
6. Burger, Coetsee, Kolisi, Broussow
24 Aug 2012, 11:09 am
@johan kotze-22: siya will get his chance or he might not, heyneke is still building something here, let’s have the patience to see where it ends up.
24 Aug 2012, 11:11 am
@blik-26:
i think daniel too is just a stopgap for hm.
24 Aug 2012, 11:12 am
@Tacitus-23: An over estimation of Brussows ability?? Started 4 tests versus Kiwis won 4 !
M Steyn is the hand brake of the Boks backs….closely followed by JDV at 13….
J Potgieter I cannot make any informed comment on….just have not seen enough of him to make any meaningful contribution….as I say he must be a helleva player to keep those I mentioned out the mix…all proven top class players…
24 Aug 2012, 11:14 am
@blik-20:
Cheetahs apparently planning on using Coenie at TH in the Currie Cup.
I like it.
24 Aug 2012, 11:15 am
@Transformation-27:
true, people should also consider that at the end of the day only so many players can make the bok team and there will always be one or two stand out players in every era who’s selection by coaches at the time have been decried.
some guys will just be unluckiest players never to have made the bok side.
24 Aug 2012, 11:15 am
@grant10-29: Well grant here is my opnion on Potgieter. You will not like what you see
24 Aug 2012, 11:15 am
@grant10-29:
Potgieter is playing at 7. Brussouw is a 6. Keep up with the latest developments, Grant.
24 Aug 2012, 11:17 am
I am not seeing too much difference between Jake White and HM at this point….
waiting patiently…..
24 Aug 2012, 11:17 am
@John Galt-2: What I don’t understanf is how the “knowledgeable” supporters here seem to be completely blind to Steyn’s distribution/passing skills…. The chokepoint for Bok distribution sits with one man at the moment… and that aint Steyn… Its our dear Cappie, I’m afraid.
24 Aug 2012, 11:18 am
@grant10-29:
perhaps meyer doesn’t trust his health and fitness? maybe he sees him as an injury concern who he cannot build a unit around or with?
24 Aug 2012, 11:18 am
@Tacitus-25: @blik-26:
Smith won’t be coming back any time soon, if ever. Not to international rugby at least.
That leaves Potgieter 2nd behind Alberts, who we know is very prone to injury. No gents, Potgieter is no stopgap. He is there for the long haul.
24 Aug 2012, 11:19 am
@blik-20: @Kietzphat-30: every time coenie plays tighthead he hurts his neck, same injury as smit…remember this post.
24 Aug 2012, 11:20 am
@Tacitus-33:
LOL
I am well aware of who is playing where .
For this Test I would have played Marcelle Coetsee at 8…left Alberts at 7 and Kolisi at 6….
24 Aug 2012, 11:23 am
An exercise in futility this argument
Very seldom lately did the Boks win or lost fair and square, it’s either a Bryce Lawrence swindled them or the likes of Rolland or Walsh given them Tests on a plate, Styen’s role in both the cases is a minor one.
24 Aug 2012, 11:23 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-31:
True that.
The problem at the moment though is that some stand out players are kept out of the team by players with inferior ability.
24 Aug 2012, 11:23 am
@Kietzphat-30: Agree, J Duplesis is actually playing quite well these days, but if Coenie can develop as a TH a lot of the Boks problems are solved. It has been an area of concern, but I think with the following THs coming through, we are looking good.
JDuplesis, Coenie, Marcel vd Merwe, Malherbe
Marcel vd Merwe is a beast of a man. He is a powerfull ball carrier, but seems to struggle in the scrums, but is still young and needs to learn. The Freestate seem to produce good props over the years.
I don’t rate the current Bulls props.
Need to get replacements for M Steyn (hopefully Goosen comes through), Spies (anyone is better), and sorry to say it JDV (he has no hands, like the look of Paul Jordaan)
24 Aug 2012, 11:24 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-36: You may be right there …..
But I would still have that type of player in the squad mix if Brussoew cant be there….
F Louw would tick a lot of HM boxes….
Steggmann needs to regain full fitness and form….
I remain unconvinced of these’ Hybrids….’..
Prefer speciailists…..
Hybrids best used on bench…
24 Aug 2012, 11:25 am
@Heavens Game-35:
to be fair, its a little unfair to blame jdv for distribution failures. he’s all the way at 13? distribution as i’m sure you well know is really from 9,10 or 12, no?
24 Aug 2012, 11:25 am
@Heavens Game-35:
At outside centre?
24 Aug 2012, 11:26 am
@grant10-39: Why… Because Skop says so? You are aware that Marcell hasn’t played 8 all season? The guy is a farken prodigy, granted, but sheez even as a died in the wool Sharkie I reckon that’s taking it too far for the youngster…
Meyer wants to loosen up Alberts… get a higher frequency of Bone Collector runs. Thats his tactic. SImple
24 Aug 2012, 11:28 am
@blik-42:
Jordaan looks good but some people will tell you that he is a “dwarf” hence no place in the Bok team.
JJ Engelbrecht be the man.
24 Aug 2012, 11:29 am
my ideal bok loose trio….fitness permitting…
Kanko….8
Alberts 7
Brussow 6
Either Marcelle or Kolisi on bench….
24 Aug 2012, 11:29 am
@nama1-47: JJ Engelbrecht does look good, he has pace and agility, have not seen what his ball skills are like yet. True, HM does like them big.
24 Aug 2012, 11:31 am
@grant10-48: My ideal:
8. Burger
7. Smith (but doubt he will be back so Alberts)
6. Broussow (vs NZ & Aus), Coetsee (vs all others)
24 Aug 2012, 11:32 am
@Heavens Game-46: Why….?
Well I reckon Marcelle is a good couple of yards quicker than Alberts, who appears to me to be very happy at 7….
and Kolisi played well at 6 for Stormers the entire season ….
That is the why…in a nutshell.
I am sure Skop has his reasons….have not seen his preferred loose trio…
24 Aug 2012, 11:32 am
@grant10-43:
fair enough.
we’ve had mixed results with louw and stegmann, though. something they both could refine is the ability not to give penalties away in the ‘wrong’ areas of the field.
24 Aug 2012, 11:33 am
@nama1-41:
i still think its too early to make such calls.
lets sum by the end of the eoyt.
24 Aug 2012, 11:34 am
@grant10-29: Completely agree with your points re Brussow and Morne
Potgieter was like a young Schalk at the start of the season but shown very little impact since returning from injury
24 Aug 2012, 11:34 am
@blik-50: Worried about Schalk getting back !!
24 Aug 2012, 11:36 am
@grant10-48:
kanko’s had one quater of a good super season, that’s all.
not convinced he wont fold at test level again.
@blik-50:
bracket kolisi at 6 as well.
24 Aug 2012, 11:36 am
@Kietzphat-30: Awesome, we’ve needed a solid tight head for years
24 Aug 2012, 11:37 am
@Bok fan-54: Well that Chabal Lite has had a meteoric rise to the top so he must have some positive attributes….
Maybe he shuts all the detractors up tomorrow night….
Personally I am more concerned about the lack of a recognised fetcher in the entire aquad….
24 Aug 2012, 11:38 am
@grant10-51: But Marcell a good couple of yards quicker than Kolisi and has a higher work rate which makes him a better 6 too…
Kolisi too farken small for blindside too… so, unlucky…
24 Aug 2012, 11:40 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-56: Yes….but to be fair Kanko was the 1 player that was farked around more than most….always off bench or out of position at 7…..never allowed an extended run like Spies was….
and in that 6 or 7 games showed more class and ability than Spies showed n last 4 years!
24 Aug 2012, 11:40 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-56: Kolisi is good, punches above his weight. I also like CJ Stander, hope he will be back
24 Aug 2012, 11:40 am
@nama1-37: As backup to Alberts I would rather have Johnson, Vermeulen, Deysel, wow we suddenly lacking hardmean in SA rugby, scary. Juan is badly missed. Greatest blindside flank of all time
24 Aug 2012, 11:42 am
The Bok are 2:7 to win in Mendoza, away from home, deep into the gauchos’ heartland AND with Morne Styen at the key position of flyhalf!
That’s straight from those who put their money where their mouth is
24 Aug 2012, 11:42 am
@Heavens Game-59: For this Test I would have chosen Kolisi at 6….not blindside…
Marcelle 8
Alberts 7
Kolisi 6…..
But HM seems to havehis reasons….so I am reserving judgement as I certainly have no real knowledge of Potgieters capabilities…
24 Aug 2012, 11:42 am
@Heavens Game-59: Agree, Coetsee is beeter than Kolisi. Both have massive heart.
24 Aug 2012, 11:43 am
@grant10-58: Yip, we always get away with it (only just) against normal team, but when it comes to the ABs and Aussies, its the height of frustration watching the likes of Mccaw and Pocock having field days. Opposite feeling when Brussow nullifies them however
24 Aug 2012, 11:44 am
If SA finishes 2nd in the RC they will have done well.
24 Aug 2012, 11:45 am
@Heavens Game-59: this will get the tongues wagging HG but this loose trio would be naaice
Alerts,Deysel, Coetzee
24 Aug 2012, 11:45 am
@grant10-60:
hehe
thats the beauty of being an armchair coach. everybody and his dog has got ‘the best’ players in ‘the best’ combinations selected.
who’s to say how it woulda turned out.
24 Aug 2012, 11:46 am
@blik-61:
oh he will be back
he will indeed
24 Aug 2012, 11:47 am
@grant10-43: I dont mind 2 hybrids playing together, Schalk and Flo did it well and I think Coetzee and Kolisi could do the job but yes ideally it should be Brussow and Alberts (dont think Juan will be back any time soon) with Schalk/Coetzee/Duane at 8
24 Aug 2012, 11:47 am
@sharks_lover-68:
Not Deysel.
Too one dimensional. Alberts and Deysel in the same side would be a disaster.
24 Aug 2012, 11:47 am
If we end this year in 2nd spot behind the All Blacks, it is mission accomplished.
Next year we build on this base to charge for top spot. By then we’ll have:
Johan Goosen
Clarity on the Du Preez situation
Clarity on the Juan Smith and Burger situations
Bismark back
Coenie back
JP Pietersen back
Coetzee will be in his second season of test rugby
Heyneke will have a test season behind him as coach.
This year will be very good. Next year is going to be awesome.
24 Aug 2012, 11:48 am
@grant10-64: Well, then thank goodness you aint coach….
Coetzee has played 8 before but not this season… he is young…. and what do you want him to do – just as he settles as Bok openside you want to move him to 8, for the first Bok game on foreign soil… Come now.
Best loosie trio for this game would be:
8. Kanko
7. Alberts
6. Coetzee
Simple. And if you want Coetzee to make way for an openside then you move him to blindside and put Daniel at 6…
24 Aug 2012, 11:49 am
@NZINCHINA-67:
if you finished your noodles in time for a rub n tug before the game, you will have done well.
24 Aug 2012, 11:49 am
@NZINCHINA-67:
There is no trophy for second place.
But sure, many South Africans will be (are) happy with playing second fiddle.
24 Aug 2012, 11:50 am
@Bok fan-66: check latest Sports Illustrated….Mallet article…good stuff
24 Aug 2012, 11:51 am
@Heavens Game-59: Kolisi is not slow at all. Not sure where this rumour started. In fact, he must be one of the quickest loosies in SA, but someone started posting something about him being sluggish, and now it seems to have become a keofact. Luckily we all know that what goes down as fact in the keoverse, seldom stands up to scrutiny in the big world.
24 Aug 2012, 11:52 am
@blik-65: These are the competitors for positions
8. Spies, Kanko, Fatty Vermeulen, Alberts (I supect Vermeulen will be found out shortly)
7. Alberts, Potgieter, Schalk
6. Coetzee, Daniel, Kolisi, Brussouw
Like it or not Coetzee is no 1 for openside… Alberts is no 1 for blindside (and dont even mention Juan Smith – bless him – the great man wont play another international).
24 Aug 2012, 11:52 am
@Tacitus-73:
Next year there might be injuries too. It is part of the game.
You cannot guarantee that those players will all be fit and ready for test rugby next year.
The time is now. We have to win, now. And – contrary to what you believe – we can win, now.
24 Aug 2012, 11:52 am
@katman-78:
Keofact. I like that term. And there are a lot of those indeed. Like the one about Morne Steyn not being able to distribute the ball to his backline.
24 Aug 2012, 11:52 am
@grant10-58:
Chabal lite is just plain kak. No other word to describe him.
Coetzee, Potgieter, Alberts all of them ball carriers *** defenders. Not one of them known to do some work on the ground. The Boks will look like proper fools if the Argies outplay them in the rucks this weekend.
24 Aug 2012, 11:54 am
@Tacitus-73: Next year we should also see the likes of Paul Jordaan, Jan Serfontein, Arno Botha and Siya Kolisi beginning to stake their claims.
24 Aug 2012, 11:54 am
@katman-78: I never said he was slow… I am sure he is not… whoever heard of a slow black man?
I just reckoned Marcel Coetzee was faster… and bigger, stronger, fitter, higher workrate…
24 Aug 2012, 11:54 am
@willievz-80:
you’re no more or less right in thinking that way, than tac is in thinking his.
24 Aug 2012, 11:55 am
@katman-83:
Yes. I have not even speculated on any star youngsters, other than Johan Goosen, who has delivered at Super rugby level.
But the new generation is coming through, certainly.
24 Aug 2012, 11:56 am
@sharks_lover-68: Eish. SL, you going to causekak…
In all seriousness I reckon Deysel needs to prove himself more – with less injuries – then he will come into contention behind Alberts…
24 Aug 2012, 11:57 am
a 19 year old pollard shutting the ab’s up would be a dream.
24 Aug 2012, 11:58 am
@Bok fan-71: F Louw is the 1 player I have seen that can play like a fetcher but also has the other attributes….can carry, lineout skills good, etc….
HM is trying to convert Marcelle Coetsee, who I rate very highly, brilliant young player ….
Not at this stage convinced he is a 6 though….will have to see how he develops there….
the breakdown is of such paramount importance…if the opposition gets the upper hand there the knock on effects are huge…..so cant really understand why we dont play the best breakdown exponents we have…
24 Aug 2012, 11:59 am
@grant10-89:
F Louw, Brussouw and co can go an fetch me some beers from the fridge.
24 Aug 2012, 12:00 pm
@Tacitus-81: Indeed. And another keofact is the inevitable reversal of the Eastern Cape rugby diaspora thanks to the cheeky pied piper of Watsonia.
24 Aug 2012, 12:00 pm
@Heavens Game-84: No, that’s Steve Austin you’re thinking of.
24 Aug 2012, 12:01 pm
@Heavens Game-74: yes….indeed…I am not coach….so dont stress at my wish list…
24 Aug 2012, 12:01 pm
@katman-91:
Oh yes, forgot about that one.
That’s a biggie.
24 Aug 2012, 12:01 pm
@willievz-76:
nobody should ever be happy with second place but there is only one team that is going to take it this year
24 Aug 2012, 12:01 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-44: Heard of “put the man in the gap” or “draw and pass”… ever since the QF last year when JdV did actually pass the ball, while on the outside… what happened… the ball went forward to Lambie… Now Jean just does not pass… he also does not stay on his feet, i.e. he goes to ground, and he also farken cannot offload.
Two of the best outside centres in the world are two of the best distributors… and JdV aint one of them: Smith and O’Driscoll
24 Aug 2012, 12:03 pm
@katman-92:
Hehe. Some of his episodes are on youtube now, in 10 minute sections.
I checked one out the other day. He leapt over a 20 foot fence, with the customary sound effects.
That was my favourite TV series, growing up. Although I was so young, I only remember a few episodes.
Lovely stuff.
24 Aug 2012, 12:05 pm
@grant10-93: Not stressing… Just dont agree with Coetzee at 8… yet.
In another universe and reality, would enjoy a mix and match of 3 rabid dogs such as Coetzee, Kolisi and Ratel as a loosie trio just to break the mould a bit, with Daniel coming off the bench… Go big (or small in this case) or go home… But it aint ever going to happen.
24 Aug 2012, 12:06 pm
@nama1-82: Hi Nama
I am very concerned about a specialist deck player…
I see Aussies have Hooper starting tomorrow with Gil on bench….
Mc Caw. Todd.
Fark…we sommer dont have 1 deck specialist in 40 man extended squad…..jeepers !!
24 Aug 2012, 12:06 pm
@katman-92: Coetzee owns Steve Austin too…
24 Aug 2012, 12:08 pm
passing, distributing… distributing, passing… which one can Morne do and which one can he not do… I’m getting confused
24 Aug 2012, 12:09 pm
@NZINCHINA-95: A faint heart has never won over a fair maiden.
Call me the ever optimist.
Never underestimate the Boks.
24 Aug 2012, 12:10 pm
@katman-92:
You look naked without the Snor
24 Aug 2012, 12:11 pm
@Heavens Game-98: yes….always interesting the loose trio selection….
I was excited at the Schalk at 7 and Brussow at 6 at WC….thought those 2 had great potential there, especially if a proper [ not Spies ] 8 was selected….
sadly not to be…
24 Aug 2012, 12:11 pm
@Heavens Game-100:
Steve Austin can do all that stuff, while still wearing bell bottom trousers all the while. That takes some doing.
Which brings me to another question:
What’s up with TJ and his crowd wearing these dodgy eighties style sports jackets on their Reunion show, with the top button of their shirt undone?
It gives a very weird vibe. I can’t quite put my finger on it, but something just seems off.
24 Aug 2012, 12:11 pm
@Tacitus-73:
“Mission acomplished,” you say. Coming second will be mission accomplished because Meyer is “building”. Is that our aim this year?
What happens if we don’t win it next year? Will Meyer resign or what excuse are we going to use then?
24 Aug 2012, 12:11 pm
@John Galt-72:
you were not meant to take the bait
24 Aug 2012, 12:11 pm
@willievz-102:
never would, but you don’t have the personnel to win it this year
24 Aug 2012, 12:12 pm
@theOracle-101: All players at the top level can (should) be able to pass [passing].
But not all of them can create space or attacking opportunities with their passes [distribution].
24 Aug 2012, 12:12 pm
I am as excited as **** about the prospect which is Johan Goosen. But how on god’s green earth is he talked up as a Bok 10 certainty already without having completed one Super Rugby season yet?
24 Aug 2012, 12:13 pm
@NZINCHINA-108: Sure, I won’t bet my house on it.
But I can’t wait for the AB games!
24 Aug 2012, 12:14 pm
@PissAnt-110:
desperation?
24 Aug 2012, 12:14 pm
@theOracle-101: Both… He just aint too partial to a bit of tackle… But then again there is a long line of 10s from the light blue with a proud heritage of “avoiding contact” stretching right back to the Bucktoothed legend… This is no new thing.
But whatever Morne cant do, he definitely can kick… and he has a farken decent pass…
24 Aug 2012, 12:14 pm
@nama1-106:
Depends on his winning record.
For the record, I would have fired White when his win record dropped in the middle of his reign. I’m not into sacrificing short term results for long term goals.
And neither is Meyer. He is trying to win every single game.
24 Aug 2012, 12:14 pm
@willievz-111:
under cover in NZ this year so should be a cracker
24 Aug 2012, 12:15 pm
@PissAnt-110: I have never seen a better 10 prospect ever than J Goosen…since 1976….never farekn ever…
My kinda 10 that….
24 Aug 2012, 12:15 pm
@nama1-106: the bar has been lowered… we are building… we need a few more soft wins before the big guns…
24 Aug 2012, 12:16 pm
@Tacitus-105: Lol… Haven’t seen reunion lately… But it sounds like a bit of a Capetown “vibe” there now?
24 Aug 2012, 12:16 pm
@grant10-116:
Who did you see in 1976?
24 Aug 2012, 12:17 pm
I would drop M Steyn as soon as J Goosen is proven fit….
Play Goosen and decide once and for all who is seen as the next best, either Jantjes or Lambie….
24 Aug 2012, 12:17 pm
@PissAnt-119:
Elvis. Although, that was in 1978.
24 Aug 2012, 12:18 pm
@PissAnt-119: meant in context of when I started watching rugby….
24 Aug 2012, 12:18 pm
@Tacitus-114:
After the Stroooli era, it was all that White could do.
he was left with nada, an empty ship sailing on stormy seas.
The side that he built should have been taken over by HM and then we would have seen real results.
24 Aug 2012, 12:18 pm
@grant10-116: Who did you se in 76?
24 Aug 2012, 12:19 pm
@John Galt-123:
No, no. In the middle of White’s era he lost the plot, with his talk of building for the World Cup and all that nonsense.
24 Aug 2012, 12:19 pm
@PissAnt-110: how was that different from lambie and jantjies?
24 Aug 2012, 12:20 pm
@Tacitus-121: BWAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA
24 Aug 2012, 12:20 pm
@Tacitus-121:
Thought he died in 1977?
@grant10-122:
Lad looks promising no doubt, but I would actually like to see him complete a full senior season or competition – at least Elton and Lambie has.
24 Aug 2012, 12:20 pm
@PissAnt-110:
Us Saffas are quick to cotton wool a player in order to prevent Gaffieing.
But there are a lot of points to consider here.
Sure, Goosen’s experience is limited. But he is also an unknown factor and there is limited footage available of him. The opposition will have a tough time planning against him. He is also, well, young, and has the confidence of youth.
Etzebeth and Coetzee (similar ages) have done well in the G&G so far, and they are not much more experienced than Goosen.
Schalk Burger was 21 when he won the IRB player of the year.
My advice? Throw him into the deep end.
24 Aug 2012, 12:21 pm
@PissAnt-128:
Exactly.
24 Aug 2012, 12:21 pm
@Tacitus-125:
Ah I see. 2006. annus horibilus.
24 Aug 2012, 12:21 pm
@blik-61: Ja Stander impressed me at the start of the season, loads of potential
24 Aug 2012, 12:22 pm
@NZINCHINA-115: Why do you the ABs always seem to have fewer injuries than ths Boks?
NZ also play a very attritional game, play just as much rugby. Do you think the training techniques are better? Player management? Alsthough look at John Mitchells Lions, he basically lost his whole squd to injury, and he learnt his rugby in NZ.
24 Aug 2012, 12:23 pm
Lotsa people stating opinions as if they facts
Kolisi is better tough guy and better at 6 or 7 than Marcel Coetsee
Coetsee best position woulb be 8
Contenders for 8
Vermeulen, Coetsee, Kolisi, A. Botha, Daniel, Kankowski, Spies
Contenders for 7
Alberts, Elstadt, Burger, Coetsee, Kolisi, Du Toit, Potgieter, Stander
Contenders for 6
Brussow, Daniel, Coetsee, Kolisi, Stegmann, Minnie, Fourie
Best scenario in current clime and condition
8 Vermeulen, Coetsee, Botha
7 Alberts, Elstadt, Du Toit, Stander
6 Brussow, Kolisi
Deysel don’t even get a mention, like neither Spies nor Kankowski should
24 Aug 2012, 12:23 pm
@blik-133:
They have injuries too, but have the quality of depth to fill in for the first choices.
24 Aug 2012, 12:23 pm
@theOracle-117:
Jip.
It’s just the beginning. Wait until we lose against the European sides on the EOYT.
@Tacitus-121:
You’re in a good mood this morning. This is your 2nd joke of the day.
24 Aug 2012, 12:24 pm
@PissAnt-110: Then they say Sharks supporters Hype up players??
Lambie might not be as skillful as as Goosen, but he sure as hell has bigger Kahooneras then most rugby players in this country, and yes he does most things right, and yes he has had one or 2 bad games things year after returning from injuries etc.
But like you see mate, Lambie is now said to be rubbish
24 Aug 2012, 12:24 pm
@nama1-136:
Indeed I am.
24 Aug 2012, 12:24 pm
@theOracle-117: @nama1-106: when do the kiwis ever “build”?
i can’t seem to recall a time where they “accepted” losing to us because their coach was “building”.
24 Aug 2012, 12:24 pm
@nama1-136:
Tac has been drinking all those beers we’ve fetched for him from the fridge.
24 Aug 2012, 12:25 pm
White was a disaster that got saved by an Aussie and a very lucky run of events in a non contested WC.
Hope Meyer shows he got more kopf than that.
24 Aug 2012, 12:25 pm
@blik-133:
Maybe us SAFFAS are not so tough as we think we are?
24 Aug 2012, 12:26 pm
@willievz-135: Not true, not the same amount of injuries.
24 Aug 2012, 12:27 pm
@fitz1ella-134: because you say so?? like you know anything, fark for a 100 year old pensioner you truely have no clue, but in your own arrogant way you think you a professor of rugby
Stick to plastering those manholes dude, im sure after 60 years service to that industry you pretty clued up
24 Aug 2012, 12:27 pm
@fitz1ella-134: “Kolisi is better tough guy and better at 6 or 7 than Marcel Coetsee”… No, I disagree… and so do the numbers.
Kanko our best option at 8… Simple.
Alberts and Schalk to fight out 7… But I have a funny feeling Schalk might not make it back.
Kolisi not a bad understudy to Coetsee but he will have to joing the queue for 6 behind Coetzee, Daniel, Brussouw… And then who knows.
24 Aug 2012, 12:27 pm
@willievz-129: look at beauden barrett, 1st season of super rugby and already an all black…came on against the irish in the 3rd test and played solidly…nobody questioning whether he’s finished a season or not.
how many season you think aaron smith has played?
24 Aug 2012, 12:28 pm
@willievz-129:
Coaches will not push players to levels they don’t have an aptitude for. Of course I am not suggesting Goosen does not have it, but why should he leapfrog Steyn (veteran), Lambie (capped Bok) or Jantjies (Bok tourist & 2 Super Rugby seasons)?
24 Aug 2012, 12:28 pm
@fitz1ella-141:
No. White was a fairly good coach, whose ego exploded once he went from schoolteacher to Bok coach, and whose arrogance led to some very stupid decisionmaking by the 3rd year of his tenure.
In 2007, he was saved by the Bulls and Sharks, who played in the first ever all South African Super Rugby final, and whose star players won the world cup for him with a very simple gameplan.
All in all, White is not this villain he is made out to be by some, but neither is he this super coach that his supporters think he is.
Mallet and Meyer are both better coaches than him. Straulie and Viljoen are worse coaches than him.
He falls somewhere in the middle along with Carel du Plessis, perhaps.
24 Aug 2012, 12:28 pm
@blik-143: Fair enough.
But I get the impression that they (NZ) are more streetwise in their physical approach.
Our big men simply fokmaarvoort with little regard for their physical wellbeing. They, on the other hand, play with a measured physicality.
24 Aug 2012, 12:29 pm
@PissAnt-119: @blik-124:
He started watching/following rugby in 1976.
24 Aug 2012, 12:29 pm
@fitz1ella-141: White was a RWC Winner… and I’m sure he would rather be that than be the “MohammedAli of Rugby”…
Meyer will also be a RWC winner too… and proud owner of a +75% win ratio by the time he is finished with the Boks…
24 Aug 2012, 12:30 pm
@PissAnt-128: yes…that would be ideal….I have seen enough though….brilliant player….worth a gamble, especially as M Steyn is really no more than a journeyman 10 imo…
24 Aug 2012, 12:30 pm
@Transformation-146:
Does the AB’s have a Lambie and Jantjies who was already part of their national setup?
24 Aug 2012, 12:30 pm
the lions also thought Deysel was rubbish last weekend, he farked them up good, that inclused Minnie and Strauss , and baywatch ,
Justsayingyouwhouldtrythinkingonceinyourlifebeforespeaking
24 Aug 2012, 12:31 pm
@willievz-135: Let’s just take this weekends line ups for an example:
15 Israel Dagg,
14 Cory Jane,
13 Ma’a Nonu,
12 Sonny Bill Williams,
11 Hosea Gear,
10 Dan Carter,
9 Aaron Smith,
8 Kieran Read,
7 Richie McCaw (c),
6 Liam Messam,
5 Sam Whitelock,
4 Luke Romano,
3 Owen Franks,
2 Keven Mealamu,
1 Wyatt Crockett.
Apart from Conrad Smith and Tony Wooddick, who would make the 22?
15 Zane Kirchner,
14 Bryan Habana,
13 Jean de Villiers (c),
12 Frans Steyn,
11 Lwazi Mvovo,
10 Morné Steyn,
9 Francois Hougaard,
8 Willem Alberts,
7 Jacques Potgieter,
6 Marcell Coetzee,
5 Andries Bekker,
4 Eben Etzebeth,
3 Jannie du Plessis,
2 Adriaan Strauss,
1 Beast Mtawarira.
Missing:
2. Bismark
3. Coenie
7. Smth
6. Burger, Broussow
8. Spies, Kankowski, Vermmelen
10 Goosen
14. JP
24 Aug 2012, 12:31 pm
@fitz1ella-134: “Kolisi is better tough guy”…do you mean tougher/better than Coetzee in the no6 jersey?
24 Aug 2012, 12:33 pm
@blik-133:
we get our fair share, 2009 was the last time we got hit badly and the results reflected that although we still finished the number 1 side in the world that year
24 Aug 2012, 12:33 pm
@grant10-152:
I am not the biggest Steyn fan but he has been around since 2009, has broken just about every record imaginable for a flyhalf and point scorer, I don’t call that journeyman status personally.
24 Aug 2012, 12:33 pm
@Transformation-146: It’s weird…..the AB’s are definitley able to blooe their youngsters quicker than we are…..or are we just too conservative? It’s something aboutt heir youngsters, they seem to be more mature at a younger age. Or at least more comfortable mentally with top flight rugby
24 Aug 2012, 12:34 pm
@willievz-111: Then I do I agree that, according to your explaination, Morne is a passer…. I’ve seldom ever seen him distribute…
Cruden, Carter, young chappie from the Canes, Elton & Lambie are distributors..
24 Aug 2012, 12:34 pm
@NZINCHINA-157: No you did not… Sheepshaggers were no higher than 3 that year…
24 Aug 2012, 12:35 pm
@willievz-129:
It was the same argument people used to “unleash” Derick Hougaard in the RWC in 2003, after his heroics for the Blue Bulls the year before.
That did not pay off. In fact Derrick probably still have nightmares about a certain Chiropractor.
No man, let Goosen complete a season or two in the CC and S15.
@Transformation-139:
So true Transie. They never seem to “build.”
Their transition periods always seem to go smoothly, enen unnoticed.
24 Aug 2012, 12:35 pm
@PissAnt-147: Because he is better than them???
24 Aug 2012, 12:36 pm
@blik-155:
think you need to put Smith out to pasture he’s gone
24 Aug 2012, 12:37 pm
@grant10-163:
I don’t think so. What do you base that on? 4 Super Rugby games against 30?
24 Aug 2012, 12:37 pm
@Heavens Game-161:
no we finished the number 1 side in the world that year
24 Aug 2012, 12:37 pm
@theOracle-160: Morne has all the skills for a good distribution game, he actually has a good pass off both hands…the problem is his peripheral vision in terms of identifying space as well as his unwillingness (whether personal or under orders from the coach) to play close to the gainline.
24 Aug 2012, 12:38 pm
@Skeppie-159: Hit the nail on head… Mental strength… Our youngsters on the whole are a bit woolly upstairs… Spoilt little farkers…
24 Aug 2012, 12:38 pm
@NZINCHINA-157: Yeah I agree, every team gets injuries, like DC in the RWC too. But for some reason the NZ teams seem to do better than SA and Aus on that front with SA the worst of the 3.
I think it’s a compliment to the structures in NZ. I think most people would agree, NZ rugby is run a lot more professionally than SA rugby. I think that’s a huge factor for the AB success since professionalism.
I actually think SA has marginally more player depth and talent in the forwards as a whole, and NZ has more in the backs. But overall the player resources are pretty simillar. What is done with those resources, I think that’s where NZ is better than SA.
24 Aug 2012, 12:39 pm
@NZINCHINA-166: You are wrong.
24 Aug 2012, 12:39 pm
@PissAnt-158: he is a journeyman imo….average defence, avarage tactical kicker, average distributor, in the pocket artisan with a 77% kick rate….
Poses very little threat ball in hand….
I can think of quite a few local 10 s I would play instead of him…
24 Aug 2012, 12:39 pm
@PissAnt-147: One main reason: He is better than those players.
And I think Meyer recognises this.
24 Aug 2012, 12:40 pm
@PissAnt-153: no they don’t but they sure have scrumhalfs that have test experience and plenty super rugby seasons yet chose a rookie as their starting 9.
24 Aug 2012, 12:40 pm
@nama1-162: Derick played in a kuk team.
And received a kuk pass from Joost.
24 Aug 2012, 12:40 pm
@Transformation-139: it is in our genetic make up to build…. Meyer’s reign at the Bulls is an example….
24 Aug 2012, 12:41 pm
@blik-169:
too much rugby this year and they are dropping like flies, Bismark will hurt you this year
24 Aug 2012, 12:42 pm
@Transformation-173:
If the rest of your team consists of some of the best players in the world, you have an established coaching team and the most successful captain in the history of the game, well, then you can afford to try out a rookie in a few positions, I reckon..
24 Aug 2012, 12:42 pm
@Heavens Game-170:
show me the money then
24 Aug 2012, 12:43 pm
@PissAnt-165: I saw him play 7 superrugby games….
and play starring roles in virtually all of them…
made more of an impact than anyone I have seen at 10….absolutely sublime….
now that is a player we can build around….great distributor, takes it flat, can mix it up, quick …
and a boot like a mule….
A ferrari compared to a Mada [ M Steyn ]…
I would give an arm and a leg to have him at Stormers….
24 Aug 2012, 12:43 pm
@nama1-162:
How many games did Schalk play before he became a Bok?
How many CC games have Etzebeth played?
Goosen was outstanding – in fact, often the best player on the park – against every team he played against this year, at Super rugby level.
24 Aug 2012, 12:45 pm
@willievz-180:
Look, there is no set formula here.
Some players will sink, others will swim. How you determine which is which, well, that’s an art, not a science.
24 Aug 2012, 12:46 pm
@willievz-180: So was LAmbie yet he is being cASt aside Willie, and yes LAmbie proved how good he was in the Test scene, even having to play different positions, so why does he not get the same acknowledgement??
24 Aug 2012, 12:46 pm
The coveted top spot was occupied by New Zealand at the turn of the year, just as it had been going into 2009. However the All Blacks had slipped to second after suffering the first of three Tri Nations losses to South Africa in late July, ending their 11-month reign as the number one side in the world.
South Africa sat proudly atop the rankings for 16 weeks, following up their series victory over the British & Irish Lions with five wins to lift the Tri Nations title and seemed set to end a successful year in that position. However, defeat by France in Toulouse saw them surrender it to the All Blacks and another loss to Ireland means South Africa now lie 3.08 points behind the top side.
24 Aug 2012, 12:46 pm
and we have been there ever since
24 Aug 2012, 12:46 pm
@NZINCHINA-176: But NZ play just as much rugby. Agree Bismark is the best 2 around at the moment. We are lucky that Strauss is a quality player (not as all round as Bismark). If we loos Strauss too, then the next one (Liebenberg, Chilli, Burden) is far behind.
24 Aug 2012, 12:47 pm
imo…the first 2 names on a bok team sheet…
Brussow
J Goosen…
24 Aug 2012, 12:47 pm
@Tacitus-181:
But based on the splashes in the pool so far, against top opposition, would you agree that Goosen has a better chance of swimming than sinking?
Remember that Gaffie did not play S12 or CC before he became a Bok.
Goosen has done both.
24 Aug 2012, 12:48 pm
@nama1-162: you ask yourself when did the all blacks “build” while introducing read, kaino, whitelock, jane, dagg, franks, franks, sbw, conrad smith, vito?
that’s 10 players who didn’t play in the 2007 world cup but they never accepted coming 2nd to us at any point…
24 Aug 2012, 12:49 pm
@Heavens Game-161:
hahahaha **** me do some research at least.
We were #1 in the world beginning 2009, moved to second half way through only to take apart the europeons at the end to reclaim #1 spot.
24 Aug 2012, 12:49 pm
@sharks_lover-182: Lambie is an awesome talent….he should have been playing at 10 this whole Bok season already….personally I prefer Goosen….but Lambie far more a threat at 10 than M Steyn …imo
24 Aug 2012, 12:49 pm
@sharks_lover-182:
Some people like Black Label. Others like Castle. I like both, but I like Black Label better.
I rate Lambie, highly. But not as high as Goosen.
24 Aug 2012, 12:50 pm
@Heavens Game-170:
lol
wow you are so pigheaded.
http://www.irb.com/rankings/archive/year=2009.html
24 Aug 2012, 12:52 pm
@Tacitus-177: is hansen now the “established coaching team” by himself?
24 Aug 2012, 12:53 pm
@PissAnt-110: Says a lot about the incumbent dont you think
24 Aug 2012, 12:53 pm
@Skeppie-167:
Nothing wrong with Morne’s distribution, our Bok centres is where it falls flat in their pod-plays.
@Transformation-173:
Please man NZ has had a bunch of palookas for scrummies since Marshall left.
@grant10-171:
He is the best tactical kicker we have in SA. He has broken all sorts of records kicking for poles, and as I said, I don’t see much wrong with his distribution. Tries by Bulls outside backs in Super Rugby sort of makes a mockery of that assertion.
So his tactical kicking has dipped just under 80% in 2012 (which seemed to be rectified last weekend) and we want to slot a 8-game Super Rugby rookie into his position? Ahead of two other players that has been part of the Bok squad, has 2 or 3 full Super Rugby seasons behind them and has done very little wrong in fact?
I am sorry, I see no logic in that.
24 Aug 2012, 12:54 pm
@willievz-187: Whatever the case Goosen is more ready now than Gaffie was back then. Goosen seems to be a more complete player than Gaffie to start with and he seems to have a stronger temprament
24 Aug 2012, 12:54 pm
@willievz-174:
True.
Goosen was very, very good before his injury but to chuck him into the Bok fold right now, would be a mistake imo.
This current team, how would you describe it? Now imagine Gossen being selected for it…then imagine his SH partner…the one who is regarded as the no. 1 currently…it will be more detrimental to his career expecting him to make all the magic amongst the palookas he has to play with.
@willievz-180:
Yes, but Schalk came into a team with some established forwards and started playing from the bench. Also, his position is not as pivotal as that of a FH.
Etzebeth is selected due to a serious lack of quality locks with experience.
24 Aug 2012, 12:55 pm
@willievz-180:
Analysis done by Super Sport showed Goosen and Jantjies neck-and-neck before he got injured actually…
24 Aug 2012, 12:55 pm
seems us saffas happy to come second….look for lots of excuses ….probably why we are 2 nd…or is it third…?
Glad our cricketers are doing us proud…
24 Aug 2012, 12:55 pm
I say give that guy Lappies Senekal a chance. Really outstanding talent. Really really.
24 Aug 2012, 12:56 pm
200! and when I try the 1000.
24 Aug 2012, 12:56 pm
@grant10-186: agree
24 Aug 2012, 12:56 pm
@PissAnt-198: In that case, I prefer the player who can kick 65m penalties.
24 Aug 2012, 12:57 pm
@willievz-203:
Frans Steyn.
24 Aug 2012, 12:58 pm
@Hurricane-189: BWAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA…. Hurri Satriani is back…
Thought I’d flush you fckers out eventually… What, you okes all quiet and smug now, with no need to defend the honour of your precious ABs and Shakey Nation, huh…
Twat!
24 Aug 2012, 12:58 pm
Keo TV is off in my valley. Luckily.
But Morne is stiilll king.
Grant you slanderer. All you do is critisize a select few guys. What are you the woodchopper?
24 Aug 2012, 12:58 pm
Speaking of our Cricketers.
Can anyone tell me how, on gods green earth is Peterson picked ahead of Botha as our premier spinners in ODI’s?
Easily the most annoying player in the lineup.
Big time air puncher.
24 Aug 2012, 12:58 pm
@PissAnt-204: Can’t kick it that far.
24 Aug 2012, 12:59 pm
@PissAnt-195: okay…lets see what happens against Aussies and Kiwis with M Steyn at 10….we chat afterwards again…@PissAnt-198:
Jantjes also far better than M Steyn imo
24 Aug 2012, 12:59 pm
love it..
SA’s already setting Goosen up to fail…
Should be blooded on the EOYT and not before…
You guys are so quick to label a player who bursts onto the scene as the next greatest etc… reason ABs seem to do it seamlessly is because of the structures inherent in the AB camp, the exposure to the wider training groups, and the intent of the coaches to give those players things to work on in their game to bring them up to AB standard… sometimes, you get a situation where you have to introduce an Isaac Ross due to reasons beyond your control..
but to introduce Goosen before the EOYT is a 50/50 risk that could backfire disastrously… and ruin what looks to be a genuine talent..
24 Aug 2012, 13:00 pm
@Heavens Game-205:
well i left a link for you. It will help you and maybe stop your false claims
Dont say i dont try and help you
24 Aug 2012, 13:00 pm
@grant10-199: Grant most of us like what we see in Goosen, noone is doubting the talent, Fact though is Lambie is not being given that same chance and the same will be said as is the Case with Kanko
Kanko has never really gotten a chance besides a few minutes here or there, i see in here daily how people are saying he is ****, now same as Deysel, yet in the local matches these same so called **** players rip the so call super stars a new @sshole
Lambie will now go the same way, he will get played in other positions besides his natural position, but then he will for example get compared to goosed when they are playing 2 different positions
24 Aug 2012, 13:00 pm
Everyone and their 2 year old niece know, by now, that Goossen is going to become the next Bok great. The man foreva for nr 10. So debate for another month or two of 10. We have all seen him. There is no credit anymore to have talent spotted him. Patience
24 Aug 2012, 13:02 pm
@Heavens Game-205:
to be fair you were the number 1 side for 16 weeks
24 Aug 2012, 13:02 pm
@poppa69-210: stuck record. have you sorted out the voices in your head yet? I mean the times when you blog under two names?
24 Aug 2012, 13:02 pm
@willievz-208:
I remember a certain test in Hamilton a few years back…
24 Aug 2012, 13:03 pm
@poppa69-210:
Remember KKK saying Spies need to be a bok cos he will be the best # 8 ever…
This seems to have a familiar ring to it.
But hey none of us doubt Goosen has the goods. But this guy has time.
EOTY tours would be a great start for him.
24 Aug 2012, 13:03 pm
@grant10-209: and Peter Grant too?
24 Aug 2012, 13:03 pm
@PissAnt-198: Agree Jainties is underrated. People always say he needs more time. Bull, he has been around for a few seasons now and showed he is up to it.
My order at 10 and 15.
10. Goosen, Lambie, Jantjies, Steyn
15. Taute, Lambie, Kirchner (have not seen enough of Andries Coetzee yet)
24 Aug 2012, 13:03 pm
@poppa69-210:
What he said. The Kiwi.
24 Aug 2012, 13:03 pm
@shooter-206: what is a woodchopper?
24 Aug 2012, 13:04 pm
@Hurricane-217: Who is KKK?
You guys should twitter to reunion to what the SAFFAS say and do on here, ok
24 Aug 2012, 13:06 pm
@PissAnt-216: So do I
But only one of those penalties were 60m+, at 61m.
Goosen is more accurate from a similar and a longer distance.
But imagine having both in one team!
24 Aug 2012, 13:06 pm
@poppa69-210: and not to play him will be like handing the kiwis the cup on a plate….because we sure as hell not going to compete with M Steyn standing deep in the pocket against you guys and aussies
24 Aug 2012, 13:06 pm
@grant10-221: saying the What What as to who is now not springboks anymore. or was. Your general analysis of players are disrepectful, like Steyn, for instance.
Journeyman. phew. with 50 odd caps?? Drop goal king. Respect man.
24 Aug 2012, 13:07 pm
Just realised Keo is a Bulls supporter. Which will naturally make him an HM and Morne fan.
Wonder how long that love affair will last.
But I doubt whether HM will ever get the “End of an Error” tag.
24 Aug 2012, 13:07 pm
@shooter-222:
lol
Yeah that would go down a treat.
KKK was a poster that had issues on here. Cant recall his username but a few on here would remember him.
24 Aug 2012, 13:07 pm
@sharks_lover-212: The sharks must play Lambie at 10….
24 Aug 2012, 13:08 pm
@blik-219: Nooooo! Willie Roux. Better than Deon v Rensburg
24 Aug 2012, 13:09 pm
@shooter-218: yes…..for sure….although Peter has a pop gun boot…..
24 Aug 2012, 13:11 pm
@poppa69-210: But that is what a lot of us are saying…..plan him into the system as opposed to throw him in the deep end. To me that is what Heyneke Meyer is doing and he should be applauded.
24 Aug 2012, 13:11 pm
You saffers are stupid pieces of dog *****!! dont you fking losers know that new zealand use their forwards over 50% more in attacking play than any other team? thats why they score more ******* tries you morons!! wake the fk up for gods sake!!!! morne is not a exclusive runner but that aint gonna make us a new zealand even if he was. you fking azzholes p!zz me right off. goosen is fking weak defender as hell anyways so stuff that up your holez u wankers. god, i need a fking asprin.
24 Aug 2012, 13:11 pm
@grant10-228:
They are.
Plum said a few weeks ago that Lambie is going to play 10 and only 10 from now on.
Giving him an extended run there.
24 Aug 2012, 13:12 pm
@Transformation-188:
They know when to drop players, if you know what I mean. No emotional attachment will keep you in the team, just your performance on the field. Therefor they don’t need to blood 5, 6 or 7 new players all at once.
In SA, if yoyu have a good relationship with the coach, your place in the team is assured for as long as you want it. Your (lack of) form does not matter that much. That is why we are now in a situation where we have to find replacements for so many players all at once.
@nama1-197:
Not saying that Etzebeth is not deserving of his place because he is. Just saying that if we had experienced locks, he would maybe have been sub and not a starter giving him more time to get use to international rugby.
24 Aug 2012, 13:12 pm
@shooter-225: sorry…dont rate him….
also dont rate Spies….
Not being disrespectful….just honest about how I feel they play compared to some others….
Surely that doesent make me disrespectful? If it does my apologies to them both.
24 Aug 2012, 13:12 pm
@Blitzbok-232: You also need to calm down
24 Aug 2012, 13:12 pm
@shooter-229: Willie Roux & Deon v Rensburg are probably the kakk*st defenders ever to play S15
24 Aug 2012, 13:13 pm
@grant10-228: lambie is a fkin pathetic tosser. looks like a fkin deer in headlights in any serious game. the sharks need a real 10 end of. i think the frog is leaving soon but he was past it long ago anyway. lambie coulda been a great fullback but that opportunity is gone hes just average now in any position but a fkin nightmare at 10.
24 Aug 2012, 13:13 pm
@grant10-228: they are. remember Lambie has been injured, and freddy was playing brilliant rugby , thats why they kept him at 10
plum has on few occasions this season said Lambie is a 10, and from now on you will see Lambie at 10 specially with Ludik and Viljoen having found form
24 Aug 2012, 13:14 pm
@Blitzbok-238: hey cnutplug ur the tosser here you moron
24 Aug 2012, 13:14 pm
@Hurricane-211: False claims befarked… Your so called no 1 side was overwhelmed and shikka’d 3 times by the Boks in just one year in 2009… Boks in Green and Gold twice, followed by Boks in Black and White in foreign lands up North…
I still remember the sour faces, the hooligan behaviour and thrown beer bottles from the Kiwi fans at Twickers that day vividly as if it was yesterday… Also had to clip a fat little misbehaving maori on the short walk to Richmond after the game with mine own hand too… A glorious day.
24 Aug 2012, 13:14 pm
@John Galt-233: awesome news that….gotta run
outta here
24 Aug 2012, 13:14 pm
@Jeraldjay-226: he won’t get it, meyer’s super rugby title that took him seven years to get to guarantees him immunity
24 Aug 2012, 13:14 pm
@Blitzbok-238: you wanna see tossers look at the fools that raised you
24 Aug 2012, 13:16 pm
@grant10-235: Agree, don’t rate M Steyn either. Pity Matfield and co talked PDivvy out of continuing with R Pienaar at 10. Far more talented, only question was his pole kickig, but he seems to be fine now.
24 Aug 2012, 13:16 pm
@Hurricane-227: Kobus Kitty, the legend!
24 Aug 2012, 13:16 pm
@Heavens Game-241:
being number 1 means winning most of the time home and away, hence the Bokke very rarely being number 1 in the world
24 Aug 2012, 13:16 pm
Steyn was a nr 12 too. And he coaches 10 000 or something schoolboys in kicking. That has to count.
24 Aug 2012, 13:16 pm
@Blitzbok-238: Chrissakes man… Come say that on this side of my computer screen then I show you a deer in headlights. Farken little pimple faced wop.
24 Aug 2012, 13:19 pm
@fitz1ella-134: “Lotsa people stating opinions as if they facts”
Is there even space in that little peanut of yours to begin to grasp the terrible irony of YOU, Skopskiet The Self-righteous, posting the above statement? Huh? Do you get it?
Unfukkenbelievable, old toppie.
24 Aug 2012, 13:20 pm
@John Galt-207:
Botha asked to be released from his contract so that he can captain some team in Australia.
Wasn’t it Robbie who kept us in the hunt during the CWC last year?
With his bowling and his batting.
24 Aug 2012, 13:20 pm
@NZINCHINA-247: Yes… But we were undoubted Numero Uno in 2009… and undoubted World Champs in 2007…
As comparison your ABs are definitely Numero Uno at present, but as deserved World Champs…? definitely doubted.
24 Aug 2012, 13:21 pm
@blik-237: LoL. Didn’t think about that. I’m sure if he can learn then to tackle like a machine…. Or be told to. At least they’re fast in the right way.
24 Aug 2012, 13:21 pm
Is anyone looking forward to the next SA v Aus game? Revenge is sweet. I think there will be some sore bodies that day.
24 Aug 2012, 13:23 pm
@shooter-253: I do agree Willie Roux is a talented player. Very good on attack and lots of skill, something we need more of in SA. But eeds to work on his defence if he wants to be spoken of in Springbok terms.
24 Aug 2012, 13:25 pm
@Heavens Game-252:
yip you were very good for the first half of 09′ and deserved to be ranked number 1 but that wasn’t the argument was it
24 Aug 2012, 13:28 pm
@Heavens Game-241:
Surely the Sharks played the Crusaders at Twickenham last year (2011).
From memory the Sharks were fucked up royally that day. The term “scrum tsunami” started to make waves (pun intended) around these parts after that match.
24 Aug 2012, 13:28 pm
@Heavens Game-241:
So what happened in 2008, 2010 and 2011??
Point is you were saying that we were not #1 in 2009. But seems not only me that thinks you are wrong but so does the IRB.
Dont get all angry dude.
2009 wasnt not all great for the Boks. You seemed to have forgotten you lost to:
Leicester tigers
France
Saracens
Ireland
Now this is where you lost the short but sweet # 1 ranking.
Funny you still claim the Barbarians win as South Africas, lol.
24 Aug 2012, 13:29 pm
Grant10
by all means, throw Goosen in against us this year… it could very well scar him to the point of most Bokke players whereby they fear the men in black..
Let him build his confidence in TEST match rugby against the NH teams, talent like his needs to be nurtured and given ample time to develop..
the boy hasnt even played one full season of Super rugby
you run the risk of shattering his confidence and creating another Ruan pienaar
but by all means, play him against the ABs this year, please…
24 Aug 2012, 13:29 pm
@NZINCHINA-256: What was the argument again?
That the Boks were so goddamned more superior to the ABs in 2009 that the IRB had to change the laws in order for parity to be restored…?
24 Aug 2012, 13:29 pm
@sharks_lover-244: hahahhahahah!!! at least i was raised buddy boy. better than being dragged up by ******* like you were XD
24 Aug 2012, 13:30 pm
@Transformation-246:
haha thats him. Kobus Kitty…… how could i forget
24 Aug 2012, 13:31 pm
@Heavens Game-260: perhaps… the fact NZ lost many experienced players and had to call on someone like Ross seems lost on you..
do you remember the WC’s getting nilled at home in 2008? or then getting whitewashed in 2010?
or losing the last 6 out of 7 games versus the Aussies?
24 Aug 2012, 13:32 pm
@Heavens Game-260:
Argument was that you said the ABs were no higher than # 3 in 2009.
Thanks to the interent you were way off the mark but now trying to squirm your way out of it.
Its ok, we proved you were wrong so lets not worry about it.
24 Aug 2012, 13:32 pm
@Heavens Game-260: Funny how whenever the Boks do well, there is a law change by the IRB. Remember 95 too.
24 Aug 2012, 13:33 pm
@nama1-251:
Oh so now you a Robbie P supporter.
To close to call between the two players. So in terms of “numbers” I’d put Robbie ahead of Botha.
24 Aug 2012, 13:34 pm
@Hurricane-258: Those losses were Bok charity… Gimmes.
Soon after a loss to Leicester, its funny how the Baa Baa Boks were good enough to farken destroy the ABs at Twickenham…
Sheez I still remember puffing, red faced Reechie the “Legend” embarrassingly being left for dead by Habanero running in his hat trick
24 Aug 2012, 13:34 pm
well, this thread is about to degenerate into another “conspiracy” special..
awesome
24 Aug 2012, 13:34 pm
@poppa69-259: its a classic case of overhyping a player. goosen had a good season in a lot of ways but the success of the cheetahs mostly comes to the backline coach and how the whole team were used. they had their forwards play the ball a lot more than other saffer teams and when i say that i mean they werent just bashers. it was more like you see those kiwis doing things. interestingly goosen and robert ebersoh were the two two worst defenders in the backline and i think thats something to be very wary of. but hey every season saffers jump the gun and overhype a player with expectations they can never live up to. he needs to be given a chance but he is never going to be a larkham and even if he was that still isnt enough to create a lot more tries. saffers basically want the boks to play like the 2011 brumbies… have a real flair 10 but everything has to be done by him alone. greeeeeat stuff… NOT!
24 Aug 2012, 13:35 pm
@blik-265:
So has there only been 3 changes in the last 15 years??
Not too bad really.
24 Aug 2012, 13:35 pm
heheh Hg, claiming a baabaas game as a SA win..
how desperate can one get, I understand though, only seeing your beloved Bokke win 12 games in the last 20 years against us does that to people..
24 Aug 2012, 13:37 pm
@poppa69-268: This thread degenerated when it stepped in a pile of you. Looks like one of those shoes you’re better off just throwing away, to be honest.
24 Aug 2012, 13:37 pm
@poppa69-263: Naah, not so well… But I do remember 2009 vividly… Fark that was a good year… A great year…
24 Aug 2012, 13:39 pm
@poppa69-271: or new zealand buying a world cup and calling themselves world champs!!! hahahahaha what a bunch of anal waste.
24 Aug 2012, 13:39 pm
@Heavens Game-267:
Yep, wasnt that when Habana was passed the ball??
reasons as to why he is and was alwasy wasted in the Bok team.
And if you think the EOTY games are charity matches, may suggest the #3 placing you are at now.
Strtange but i cant remember you saying ” Dont worry my feloow Keo bloggers, these were only charity matches, we can lose these “.
This is the HG i know
” WHAT, IRB CHEATS, REFS FAULT…..THATS IT I AM NOT BLOGGING FOR 2 WEEKS NOW ”
HGM
Heavens Gone Missing
24 Aug 2012, 13:39 pm
@Blitzbok-269: I think the boy can really be a good un, but as you say he is no where near the finished article, yet..
he is what 20 years old (dont know so asking?) , he still has so much time to grow and mature as a player, but some here want to throw him in the deep end and see if he can sink or swim? could be a monumental waste of a raw talent..
I’ll use a diamond as an analogy, they are never found as pure and brilliant, they have to be cut and polished and shaped until they become the finished article, so too it is with Goosen imho..
24 Aug 2012, 13:39 pm
@Hurricane-264: Hey, Hurricunt, dont you tell me what my argument was or wasn’t… You aint ONeill, this aint Sanzar and I aint SARU, yeah?
24 Aug 2012, 13:39 pm
@poppa69-271:
One of that 12 (1995 final) is worth another ten.
24 Aug 2012, 13:40 pm
@katman-272: oooooh hilarious, what a wonderful wit you have? too farken funny you are..
i bet even your kids laugh at you…oops. meant with you
24 Aug 2012, 13:40 pm
@Heavens Game-273: it was so good that nw zealand had the laws changed for 2010 and then bought the world cup! bwahahahahaha yep they saw the righting on the wall in 2009.
24 Aug 2012, 13:41 pm
@Heavens Game-267:
“Soon after a loss to Leicester”
hahaha after the Leicester loss came the Saracens, France and Ireland.
But dont worry about those games, as long as your South African Baabaas did well.
24 Aug 2012, 13:41 pm
@Jeraldjay-278: and there it is in a nutshell, SA supporter thinking WC is all that matters
it explains why you guys are always playing catch up with the Australasians
24 Aug 2012, 13:41 pm
@poppa69-271: 3 duck in one year would be pretty farken outstanding if it was only against Wales… But in 2009 it was against the ABs…
Signed
Sealed
Delivered
Fckface
24 Aug 2012, 13:43 pm
@Heavens Game-283: Id much prefer the 27 wins to 12 myself..
it has a look of dominance over two decades..
but you be happy with your 3 wins, i know they were so hard to come by and that you got a 1/4 of your wins in 20 years in one year..
must have made for lean times the other 19 years
P.S how is France this time of year? did you have any black and white fizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
24 Aug 2012, 13:43 pm
@Hurricane-281: I also remember Bushpig Januarie outsprinting Mascara Nonu to score under the poles in Dunedin… Fark, now that is embarrassing
24 Aug 2012, 13:45 pm
@Heavens Game-277:
Dichead, you asked what the argument was about.
I just posted it. I can see you are getting all a bit flustered.
24 Aug 2012, 13:46 pm
@Heavens Game-285:
Yep, he alone won that game for you guys cos no one in your team could do it…… now that is embarrasing.
24 Aug 2012, 13:47 pm
@poppa69-282:
That wound will never heal. The greatest AB team ever couldn’t live up to their expectations.
And by the way the Boks won our last encounter…..
24 Aug 2012, 13:47 pm
@poppa69-284:
so 3 wins in 2009, take that year away, that means you guys averaged 1 win against the ABs every two years? farken hell
its no wonder the younger kiwi generation rate games against the Aussies as the ultimate..
they just have never known SA to be good at rugby
24 Aug 2012, 13:47 pm
@Blitzbok-280:
“yep they saw the righting on the wall in 2009″
Yep, or was it the lefting on the wall?
24 Aug 2012, 13:47 pm
@poppa69-284: Not just 3 wins… It was 3 wins to 0… Duck… Maqanda… Zero… Thats the difference.
And then followed by convenient law changes…
Not sure about France now, but even France has been a happier place than Blues country this year…
Sharks country is very happy… Super Rugby finalists this year, only beaten by 120000 km round trip.
24 Aug 2012, 13:49 pm
@Jeraldjay-288: yeah, but you can have 1995, the 1996 team proved that there was definitely something amiss at that WC..
again, like 2007, it seems you guys cant live up to the mantle of WC’s, getting nilled in 2008 and losing a home series in 1996..
24 Aug 2012, 13:49 pm
@Hurricane-287: Nope… wrong… the team gave him space… and he needed much space too… And then he went… and won the game like the good little world champ and no 1 ranked team member he was at the time…
24 Aug 2012, 13:49 pm
@nama1-251:
Yeah, ‘asked’ to be released.
Not surpirsing because he wasnt getting game time becasue Peterson was there. And we all know why he was there.
Air punchingly average Peterson.
24 Aug 2012, 13:50 pm
@Heavens Game-283: Personally, I count it as 4-0 in 2009…
24 Aug 2012, 13:50 pm
@Heavens Game-291: so, you guys were first losers this year? how many super titles have you? the blues have 3..
how many super titles have you lost?
5 now is it.
cough cough choke choke..
24 Aug 2012, 13:50 pm
@Hurricane-217: Hurricane, hows things your side?
24 Aug 2012, 13:51 pm
@Hurricane-286: No… It was my argument… Now come closer…
Take a Whiff…
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STFU
24 Aug 2012, 13:51 pm
@Heavens Game-291:
Same Chiefs team beat you at home.
Oh and the Hurricanes thrashed you at home as well .
24 Aug 2012, 13:52 pm
@willievz-295: of course you count it Willie, it makes it 13 wins in 20 years..
24 Aug 2012, 13:52 pm
@willievz-295: I thought I missed one out… It was 4 hey?
3 in 3N and 1 at Twickers… Beyootiful
24 Aug 2012, 13:53 pm
@Heavens Game-293:
When was the last time habana scored 3 against the ABs?
How about 2?
But if you think the Boks give Habana over the years space and ball……lol what game have you really watched?
24 Aug 2012, 13:55 pm
@Hurricane-299: Only because the Chiefs ref conveniently forgot to send off… lets say about 3 or 4 Chiefs players… for offences ranging from high tackles through to GBH and attempted murder…
Farken filthy swines.
Dont worry… 2013 is the year of the Dynamite.
Signed. Sealed and Delivered.
24 Aug 2012, 13:55 pm
@willievz-295:
So can we count the Ozzies wins as well?? The coach and their best # 10 are kiwis.
4-0 does not seem that much now does it?
24 Aug 2012, 13:55 pm
@poppa69-292: pops, if you are pointing out that a year later a team gets beaten means they did not deserve to win the year before. Please can you explain your logic?
If that made sense, the NZ Cavliers got drilled in 86, but the ABs won the WC in 87. Different results. I just don’t get your logic??
24 Aug 2012, 13:56 pm
@Heavens Game-301: yep, you enjoy that 4..
but you know what, it is still only half the amount of Wins NZ had a few years previously..
2004 Tri Nations Series
24 July 2004 Jade Stadium, Christchurch 23 – 21 New Zealand
9 November 2003 Telstra Dome, Melbourne 29 – 9 New Zealand 2003 Rugby World Cup
9 August 2003 Carisbrook, Dunedin, 19 – 11 New Zealand 2003 Tri Nations Series
19 July 2003 Loftus Versfeld, Pretoria 16 – 52 New Zealand
10 August 2002 Kings Park Stadium, Durban 23 – 30 New Zealand 2002 Tri Nations Series
20 July 2002 WestpacTrust Stadium, Wellington 41 – 20 New Zealand
25 August 2001 Eden Park, Auckland 26 – 15 New Zealand 2001 Tri Nations Series
21 July 2001 Newlands, Cape Town 3 – 12 New Zealand
8 on the trot…
hahahaha and youre getting excited about 4??
vatso katvis..
24 Aug 2012, 13:56 pm
@Skeppie-297:
Hey Skeppie, all is good over here mate.
Just listening to a bit of
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqwv0qZleUA
24 Aug 2012, 13:57 pm
@Hurricane-304:
Your best #10 in the late 90s was from Durban…
24 Aug 2012, 13:58 pm
@blik-305: no, Im saying if 2011 was rigged, so was 95… especially because of how it was for reasons greater than the game…
the proof was when a fully fit AB team in 1996 took the series in SA, really raises concerns about the legitimacy of 95 doesnt it?
24 Aug 2012, 13:58 pm
@Hurricane-302: Yeah… maybe… I suppose its similar to asking when last did Kevvy throw a lineout ball straight, or an AB back not pass the ball forward….
One of the peculiarities of this great game, eh?
24 Aug 2012, 13:58 pm
@blik-305:
9 players that played in the Final in 1987 RWC were not included in the Cavaliers.
But another point is that the RWC was in Ozzie and NZ. Dont think the boks could win
without there refs and at home.
24 Aug 2012, 13:59 pm
@poppa69-309: add in gold watches, sweeping water off the field so the game could even take place because the host nation would not have progressed, Benazzi etc..
lots of doubts cast…
24 Aug 2012, 13:59 pm
@blik-305: No WC in 87.
24 Aug 2012, 14:01 pm
@poppa69-300:
I see you excluding the 1981 tour.
That last game was a farce…… fark. Even Bryce would be digusted.
24 Aug 2012, 14:01 pm
@Hurricane-311: We also did not play our talented non-whites in the 80s.
So we did not play our strongest team either.
24 Aug 2012, 14:01 pm
@poppa69-306: Lies, damn lies and statistics… never confuse numbers with truth, hey… And truth is always relative…
e.g ABs did win RWC 2011, but the truth is that France were better in the final and they had the best player on the planet playing for them… Thierry Dusautoir.
Vatso Mamparra
24 Aug 2012, 14:01 pm
@willievz-308: really clutching now Willie..
he learnt and played all his rugby in NZ..
Mehrtens’ parents lived in South Africa for four years from 1970 and returned to New Zealand when he was still a young child. Mehrtens grew up in Christchurch, attended Christchurch Boys’ High School, and played Junior Grade Rugby for Kaiapoi. He also represented New Zealand at under-19 and under-21 levels.
24 Aug 2012, 14:01 pm
@willievz-308:
One of the lucky ones to escape.
@Heavens Game-310:
Yep, you could say that, or last time a bok was not 2 meters offside in the backs, as you say one of the strange things that makes this game.
24 Aug 2012, 14:03 pm
@poppa69-309: How does that figure? The ABs won the series 2-1, I remember the ABs defeded their line for about 10 to secure the win in a very close match. The 95 RWC final was a very close match too, so not much changed really. Often wins are only by a small margin.
I don’t buy the food poison story, Laurie mains also used the same excuse when Australia won the bledisloe cup the year Greegan tackled Jeff Wilson in the corner going over for the try to win the game. There is only so many times you can call wolf before no one believes it any more.
Granted, NZ have had the best rugby over the past 20 years, I think most people agree. But you have to agree that some of the officiating at the RWC11 was very suspicious.
24 Aug 2012, 14:03 pm
@Jeraldjay-314: I know, imagine a NEUTRAL REF adding time on for a player being felled by a flour bomb… sickening really, it should only have been a minutes extra time at most, seeing as the game didnt really stop for long
24 Aug 2012, 14:05 pm
@willievz-315: Neither did SA
40 million to choose from
24 Aug 2012, 14:06 pm
We actually did well on the 81 tour, considering we had to sleep on dressing room floors before games, amongst other things…
24 Aug 2012, 14:06 pm
@blik-321: That’s what I said
24 Aug 2012, 14:07 pm
@poppa69-320:
Hope you grateful for a Saffa ref handing you the 2011 title.
24 Aug 2012, 14:07 pm
@willievz-315:
And really whose fault is that?
We didnt tour SA with our strongest teams as well if you want to go down that road.
But that was not only SARU fault but was also our coward NZRU for listening.
Such a shame that so much has got in the way of both teams playing their best players in the past.
Of course these days NZ play our best player….or what the coach thinks is our best players, we all know sometimes they pick in correctly. But SA on the othe hand may never be able to pick their best team….. just awful but i will put my Kiwi glasses on now and i think thats great
24 Aug 2012, 14:08 pm
Kiwis tend to forget that we did not pick any non-white players when we played against them.
24 Aug 2012, 14:08 pm
@blik-319: I dont buy the whole Susie story either, but you have to admit the ABs were not right in the final, and still only lost in extra time.. I rate the 96 series as NZs greatest rugby moment, well over any knock out tournament trophy..
your cry wolf theory, please enlighten some of your brethren, because they seem to conitunally cry conspiracy when the ABs win..
do tell me, you thought the officiating in 2011 was bad, what about in 2007? becuase the consensus here is that it was by far the best reffed game in the history of rugby, and that it was only one forward pass..
strange really, because many here comment on NZ offsides and the like, yet the French had less ball and territory then the Aussies did and were only penalised twice the entire game, not once in the second half? man, did so many here dine out on that for four years, now they cry wolf when their team copped something similar..
24 Aug 2012, 14:08 pm
@Hurricane-325: “Such a shame that so much has got in the way of both teams playing their best players in the past.”
Absolutely.
24 Aug 2012, 14:10 pm
@Heavens Game-316:
How many times has the better team lost?
I know it happens alot.
24 Aug 2012, 14:10 pm
@Jeraldjay-324: yep, I’d buy Craig a beer any time anywhere..
not often I like Saffas, but he seems to be a genuinely nice one
24 Aug 2012, 14:11 pm
@willievz-313:
Correct, not for you South Africans, No RWC for naughty people.
24 Aug 2012, 14:11 pm
@Hurricane-307: Quality quality quality!
24 Aug 2012, 14:12 pm
@poppa69-330: Aww go on Pops…..secretly you love us saffa’s!
24 Aug 2012, 14:13 pm
@willievz-326:
lol
I dont forget. we know SA is an untapped source for players. But we cant help you wiht that.
But do you guys realise we could not send some of the best Maoris players that played the game?
So both unions were to blame……shame on them
24 Aug 2012, 14:14 pm
@Jeraldjay-314: Norling and Lawrence… Two names for infamy… Two names who will be forever damned in rugby purgatory… Never ever to officiate any great game played in the after life…
Here’s the HG in Heaven two teams playing for eternity when I eventually spread my angelic wings and meet my maker….
15 Juba
14 JPP
13 Gerber
12 Steyn
11 Mordt
10 Honiball
9 Joost
8. Teich
7 Venter
6 Kruger
5. Matfield
4. Andrews
3. Domkrag
2. Uli
1 Os
VS
15 Cullen
14. Kirwan
13 Bunce
12 Little
11 Lomu
10. DC
9. Marshall
8 Buck
7 Reechie
6 Jones
5 Jones
4. Thorne
3. Brown
2. Fitz
1. Dowd
Reffed by J.esus himself.
Then we see who’s who in the zoo
24 Aug 2012, 14:15 pm
@poppa69-327: I can’t access youtube because I am at work, but have a quick search for an interview with murray mexted after that game. You know which one I am talking about? I think it was 93 or 94. Close game where goldie lost the ball over the line in a greagen tackle.
Mexted and Mains are saying taht the Aussie team poisoned the ABs.
24 Aug 2012, 14:16 pm
@Hurricane-334: Im just glad all kiwis can get visas to SA these days, it seems to be “honouring” the rivalry
24 Aug 2012, 14:16 pm
@Hurricane-331: I couldn’t care less, I was 6 years old at the time.
But the NZ public will always live with that chip on the shoulder, and the little voice that says “what if”…
24 Aug 2012, 14:16 pm
@Hurricane-329: In RWCs? Just twice… Last year… once in the QF and once in the final… Never before
24 Aug 2012, 14:17 pm
@poppa69-327: I am worried, and I really hope it’s not the case. But I do think there is an element of bias in officiating. I am not talking about the influence a crowed has over a ref, that’s normal and evens out over time. Butthere is sometimes an underhand guiding proceedings. Cricket was found out, some other sports too, why not rugby?
24 Aug 2012, 14:19 pm
@blik-336: I remember the game and the tackle, but if you are going to take Mexteds word for it then i cant help you sorry… I know Saffas seem to gravitate towards the Mex, probably because he married a Saffa lass and all, I guess he just knows how to pander to the republic
as for Mains, was always a sour git when he lost so no surprises there, its like PDV complaining about “better NZ won becuase they have a WC next year and have to put bums on seats”
still, I think Mr Luyt tops them all though..
24 Aug 2012, 14:21 pm
@poppa69-341: Yep you get some idiotic officials. It would be nice if things could be ideal.
24 Aug 2012, 14:21 pm
@willievz-338:
Nope, no chip on my shoulder about the 1987 RWC.
The best international playing teams in the world were there.
The chip should be yours mate and the what ifs should be you saying…..what if we as South Africans did things differently.
24 Aug 2012, 14:21 pm
@poppa69-341: Mex is a Shark… A Legend… Like Plum… Sharkie thru and thru
24 Aug 2012, 14:22 pm
@Heavens Game-339:
I recall 1995 the best team lost the RWC final but we all know what happened there dont we.
24 Aug 2012, 14:23 pm
@blik-340: agreed, I think the tier two nations cop the worst of it… Samoa in 2011 for example? also 99 I think it was when POB screwed Fiji over against France if memories correct..
Look At Rolland, in 2009 he penalised the AB scrumhalf for a crooked feed, how often do we see those penalties in the modern game? the Aussies still probably get pinged unfairly becuase the perception is they have a weak scrum…
24 Aug 2012, 14:23 pm
@Skeppie-332:
Thought you would like that Skeppie, Alice in Chains just the best.
24 Aug 2012, 14:24 pm
@Heavens Game-344:
Is that the same Plum that was supposed to have been kicked out of the Sharks in the early stages of the Super 15?
24 Aug 2012, 14:25 pm
@Heavens Game-344: yeah I know mate, I knew youd come round to us kiwis once they got your team playing proper rugby..
no need to thank us though mate, we can feel the admiration in your words…
claiming kiwis as your own? never thought Id see the day..
vatso koeksuster
24 Aug 2012, 14:26 pm
@poppa69-341:
I’m glad you said Mr. Luyt. Be careful he might hear.
24 Aug 2012, 14:26 pm
@poppa69-341: Yep, we love Mex.
And Plum.
Why can’t all Kiwis be like those two?
24 Aug 2012, 14:27 pm
@poppa69-337:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNkJQKT_dOE&feature=bf_prev&list=FL5X-FRqHMGFXoOIzoBqKzyA
This maori girls college choir can sing.
The harmonies are out of this world.
From the Movie Boy
24 Aug 2012, 14:27 pm
@Hurricane-348: What you talking about? You farken confused… Plum is legend…
24 Aug 2012, 14:28 pm
@poppa69-341: Pops, I can see your point about Wayne Barnes in 2007. I only watched the game once, There was that forward pass. I can’t really comment about any bias, I did not really notice, but if there was so much outcry, then I guess there probably was.
PDivvys team did some analysis, and said it’s normal for a ref to make about 6 mistakes in a game. In Bryces QF last year he made something like 55 mistakes (can’t remember the exact figure). Would be iteresting to see the analysis of the Wayne Barnes game.
24 Aug 2012, 14:28 pm
@willievz-351: you know they increased the IQ of both countries when they moved to SA
24 Aug 2012, 14:29 pm
@poppa69-349: It seems you dont understand… Once a Shark, always a Shark… Sharks Forever… And both Plum and Mex were Sharks… What they were before or after counts farkall…
Vatso Mummy’s boy
24 Aug 2012, 14:30 pm
@Heavens Game-353:
Legend…..course.
He is Kiwi after all. Nek minute Marmite will be a bloody legend as well.
24 Aug 2012, 14:31 pm
@poppa69-355: Haha
24 Aug 2012, 14:31 pm
@Hurricane-357: No… Just Plum.
24 Aug 2012, 14:31 pm
@blik-354: look, Lawrence was very popor in that game, but he still didnt drop the ball on more then one occassion with the tryline open… same as the Abs should have found another way in 2007, the really great teams take the ref out of the equation..
but yes, i would like to see an independant analysis done on both games… but is it good for rugby to do that? because then we will start to do it for every game and we will end up without a human in the middle… Both refs for those 1/4s shoudldnt have been due to the fact they both had vested interestsm in the outcome.
Barnes in 2007 because the winner of that game played England, ditto lawrence with NZ..
@Hurricane-352: I know it well Hurri, was played at my Mums service.. brings tears to my eyes every time..
24 Aug 2012, 14:33 pm
@poppa69-360:
ohhh Good ole Hurricane, always puts his foot in it.
24 Aug 2012, 14:34 pm
Outtahere… before this sentimentality brings tears to my eyes too…
Here’s to a Bokbefok weekend…
WHooHaaaa!
24 Aug 2012, 14:34 pm
@Hurricane-352: actully, wasnt that song… was E Te Atua..
24 Aug 2012, 14:35 pm
@Hurricane-361: all good mate… great movie too…
24 Aug 2012, 14:36 pm
@poppa69-346: I agree about the reffing. I think it is generally the non-english speakig teams that get it. Whenever SA has an English speaking coach, the refs are better than when we have an Afrikaans one. The 2003 Trinations was really poor reffing. NZ had a superb team then and prob would have won anyway, but the refs just confirmed it. Also the Argies, Fiji, Samoa and French don’t have it easy.
Disagree about Aus though, alsthough letely they have improved, they get away with murder in the scrums.
One thing, my opinion, and you probably won’t like it, but I think NZ usually has it easy when it comes to refs. The Brazil football team of rugby, play so entertaining rugby, they don’t deserve to loose.
24 Aug 2012, 14:37 pm
@Heavens Game-335: To watch Cullen play again would be the best part for me. Who would be your kicker for the Boks?
24 Aug 2012, 14:39 pm
The 1999 semi-final game between the AB’s and France is my all-time favourite non-Springbok game.
Remember cuddling up to a beautiful lass during that game.
Yoh…….
24 Aug 2012, 14:40 pm
@poppa69-363:
agggh yeah i believe the girls did that as well.
But Hine E Hine is just so well done, amazing.
Hayley westerna does a really good version as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6Da4UaxCnQ&feature=related
24 Aug 2012, 14:40 pm
@Bok fan-366: Cullen was a freak, imo more so than Jonah who has that label. Cullen probably the best 15 ever to play the game. He got messed around by John Heart at 13. He was unbeatable in space.
24 Aug 2012, 14:44 pm
@blik-365: I do believe that most refs seem to have perceptions before they go into a game, and as such it influences their decision making…
hey, we are the spiritual guardians of the game, surely we should get some advantage
but seriously, I can see the point about the ABs, but I also like to think that they play smart by finding out quickly how the ref is calling it that day and adjust accordingly, other teams dont seem to be that smart….
also like to think that there is also an element of being on top that people want to knock you off any way they can… take last weeks bledisloe, the Aussies were holding players back at the ruck (e.g Higginbottom on McCaw) and there was hardly a mention of these indiscretions..
yet there was a youtube video about the ABs doing it previously, so I often feel people will only see what they want to… the laws need simplifying, that is the biggest problem… every ruck and maul can be penalised…
24 Aug 2012, 14:52 pm
@Hurricane-368: she has a beautiful voice…
also really like Ladi6 voice who featured on Roady by fat freddys drop…
24 Aug 2012, 14:52 pm
@poppa69-370: Exactly, far to complicated. The ref can almost call both was at each breakdown and justify it. I liked rugby in the 80′s, whoever goes forward gets the scrum. That would also open space for the backs to run, because you would have to commit to the breakdown.
24 Aug 2012, 14:52 pm
@blik-369: Yip, my favourite player of all time by a long shot. Use to say I supported 2 teams, the Boks and Cullen
24 Aug 2012, 14:54 pm
@Hurricane-347: You have taste Hurricane…you have taste…my cap has been doffed!
24 Aug 2012, 14:59 pm
@poppa69-370: Agreed on all points but I do maintain that the AB’s seem to play things a lot smarter than the Boks of old (I think we are catching up). The whole thing of attacking players in a ruck holding onto pillar defenders and so called attacking cleaners blowing through a ruck and holding onto would be defenders only for a pick and go to follow soon after seems to be the AB’s speciality. Now I am not calling this cheating, it’s just bladdy clever play and I wish the boks were a bit more saavy.
24 Aug 2012, 15:01 pm
Geez KEO. Thought you guys were better than that!
Lambie is the solution…
1. Best tackling No. 10 in world
2. Boot has improved dramatically for both poles and touch
3. Scores tries
4. Sets up tries
5. Creates forward momentum even when the pack is struggling
6. MoM in Currie Cup final – has more gees than Steyn now that Steyn is in the 2nd half of his career.
Pienaar then Lambie equals Boks to win by 30. Steyn and poser Hougaard equals boks to win by 15.
Try play the Kiwis without fully testing them with your attack… they’ll hit you harder than the best defensive system in world rugby can handle.
24 Aug 2012, 15:01 pm
@blik-372: the conitnual changes also wouldnt help the refs I think… seems almost every year they are bringing out new interpretations or are supposedly watching for certain things
its the scope of variation you can get from one ref to the next that really causes a lot of problems..
24 Aug 2012, 15:05 pm
@outrightrugby-376: Agree, Pienaar and Lambie are the answer, even to implement Meyers game plan. Hougaard at 11
24 Aug 2012, 15:05 pm
o vok ek sien die marabse van nz is al almal weer hier…
24 Aug 2012, 15:07 pm
@Skeppie-375: yep, and it raises the point that with the speed of the game today, the ref cant have his eyes everywhere all the time… so teams will find ways to push the boundaries, I just wish the ARs would have more input, it seems they are too often silent when they should be instructed to watch for certain things such as behind the last feet etc so the ref can concentrate on watching the play around the ball..
this is where the IRB are failing the game imo..
24 Aug 2012, 15:08 pm
@Fern-379:
Not all of us.
24 Aug 2012, 15:14 pm
@Bok fan-378: Yep
9. Pienaar (passing and kicking better thank Hougie)
10. Much (better than Steyn, can attack the adv line)
14. Hougie (until JP returns)
24 Aug 2012, 15:19 pm
@blik-382: Would have JP and Hougie, best wings we have by far
24 Aug 2012, 15:20 pm
@poppa69-380: In my eyes I have no real probem with it, it is gamesmanship afterall and if the Boks are not matching fire with fire then it’s our fault (this is at the heart of our 2011 WC loss). My only real issue is when the refs blow a certain infringement against one team but not the other….while this happens I don’t think it happens a lot. I think most of our problems come in when one team adapts quickly to the ref and ends up getting away with a lot.
24 Aug 2012, 15:20 pm
This is such a bs article
I hate the phrase: “in the context what Meyer is trying to achieve”
Like that is supposed to absolve both of them with their limited gameplan at the expense of players who can achieve a more total brand of rugby which is also more sustainable than execution over innovation uber attrictional nonsense employed now.Bismark is just a start injury wise,Alberts will go down as well.too much attriction,not enough variation.
Bjorn Basson is better under the high ball and better boot than Mvovo and JPP.so with what Meyer is trying to achieve Basson is prime candidate thus he would have been ahead of others due to that,and that fine? The same case with Jacques Potgieter-Kolisi/Kankowski/Strauss all better.
Sell this sh*t to some1 else
24 Aug 2012, 15:27 pm
@Skeppie-384: agree totally, and we see it in every game….
with so much video analysis these days, surely there are dossiers on refs and how they are likely to call any given situation
consistency is all we ask for but with so many nuances in any given period of play is it really possible to achieve?
24 Aug 2012, 15:28 pm
@mshiniwami-385: Agree, Pienaar, Lambie and Kolisi would implement any gameplan better than Hougie @ 9 (awesome at 11), Morne and Potgieter (or Spies)
24 Aug 2012, 15:30 pm
@mshiniwami-385: The moment Meyer’s kicking gameplan fails and SA lose a test it will be called into question, it’s difficult for anyone in the media to criticise if he is winning.
24 Aug 2012, 15:37 pm
@Big Hit-388:
as if SA has never lost a test……
hell, you make it sound if oz and nz have never lost a game playing their brand….
bizarre logic.
24 Aug 2012, 15:42 pm
@Bok fan-387:
pienaar and to a lesser extent lambie and kolisi…are already showing themselves to be “nearly” players.
talented players….but if you keep losing the big ones?
flattrack bullies who play their best games when the pressure is off.
24 Aug 2012, 16:02 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl-390: Dont know, I would see them as BMT players. Both Pienaar and Lambie have never had the luxury of extended runs in the 9 and 10 jerseys for the Boks, which is actually ridiculous. Pienaar showed real class in the knockout stages overseas for Ulster and Lambie has proven in Currie Cup knockout games what he can do at 10. Kolisi also showed in the Super 15 he has what it takes IMO
24 Aug 2012, 16:08 pm
Hey Brig @ 389;
According to the blogs on this site, SA has never “lost” a test. In the unfortunate times where the Boks happen to score less points than the opposition, it’s usually because the ref or the other team cheated.
Apparently, no Boks team has ever actually “lost”.
24 Aug 2012, 16:12 pm
Not even 49-0
24 Aug 2012, 16:13 pm
PS
Are you related to Piet?
24 Aug 2012, 16:14 pm
@BillTong-392: No unfortunately there have been a few (think Straulli days) but yes it is almost always the ref
in my eyes at least
24 Aug 2012, 16:21 pm
@poppa69-386:
you mean with such outright and willful intention to deceive refs on the scale you do is it possible for them to blow it squarely?
no, its farking not.
simple solution: stop farking cheating you miserable filth.
that or the refs just blanket penalise you lot.
24 Aug 2012, 16:22 pm
SL @ 145.Lets hear it for the Wrinklies.
24 Aug 2012, 16:26 pm
Bakkies luv Child @ 396:
Refer #392
24 Aug 2012, 16:36 pm
John Galt @ 233.But will always be a utility player in Bok Sqad 10/15
24 Aug 2012, 16:38 pm
@BillTong-398:
in their case its mostly true.
seriously
24 Aug 2012, 16:40 pm
J.Galt.Talking about Lambie here of course.Another Ruan.
24 Aug 2012, 17:01 pm
Skeppie @ 375.What an indicment on Refs-Linesmen
24 Aug 2012, 17:03 pm
@mshiniwami-385: Also hate that “context of the gameplan” rubbish. If Meyers aspring for a 60 % win-rate and to perfect the art of dull, cynical rugby then Mourn Stain is indeed the best man for the job. Not sure the context of the IRB rules favour that approach anymore, 2009 is long gone.
Hell, he can go one better and play without a fetcher like he’s been determined to do so far. That’s been working really well so far against the notorious breakdown scavengers of England and Argentina.
24 Aug 2012, 17:06 pm
Morne Steyn is kak
24 Aug 2012, 17:17 pm
Boring blue bull rugby that worked 7 years ago, the springboks are so predictable, here is the blueprint how to beat them, it’s not rocket science. Slow down the phase play at the rucks, Mr McCaw, Pocock, any fetcher will do this, even the Argentinians did this, run the Morne Steyn channel quick ball to the wings and boom try after try after try, Australia even under rubbish Deans has a 5 from 6 winning ratio against the boks, nothing is going to change, same old again for another 4 years under Meyer. Zane Kircher, why play him, what does he actually do, nothing, what value does he bring to the marketplace.
South Africa couldn’t even beat England in their own backyard in the final test in PE, I would rather watch a Springbok team that can change the way they play and loose, than watch this nonsense.
24 Aug 2012, 18:03 pm
Dont agree with Steyn being the best… he should have been replaced in the team 2 years ago. Peter Grant should have been given one chance with a full strength bok side to prove his worth as should Elton Jantjes get one this season. Steyn is part of a game plan but remember Peter Grant had the best percentage during super rugby yet still South African rugby supporters complain when the team doesn’t make the World Cup semi…what do you expect when you dont back players on form.
Morne Steyn, Pierre Spies & Bryan Habana are key examples… Spies should have been overtaken in the bok no.8 pecking order by Duane Vermeulen in the 2010 / 2011 season.
Morne Steyn has been off the rails for a few seasons and Bryan Habana kept his place only because of Peter De Villiers not backing Hougaard at wing for the boks and during that time Lwazi Mvovo had hardly played senior rugby.
Now Hougi is struggling at scrum half
Habana is in the best form since 2009
Steyn has had one good game
Spies hasn’t got his mojo back yet – because he’s playing an opposite game to what he should be,
I believe in a coach backing a player but I also believe in a coach picking on form
If the Boks were to pick on FORM this would be the starting XV
15 Louis Ludik
14 Gio Aplon
13 JP Pietersen
12 Francois Steyn
11 Bryan Habana
10 Peter Grant
9 Ruan Pienaar
8 Willem Alberts
7 Marcell Coetzee
6 Siya Kolisi
5 Juandre Kruger
4 Eben Estebeth
3 Jannie du Plessis
2 Deon Fourie
1 Tendai Mtawarira
That is why you cannot pick the player on form for every match and you must back some players.
The problem I think most people have is that Morne Steyn has been inconsistent for so long had he been playing for any other nation he would have been dropped a long time ago.
Now that whats done is done and the boks did not win the WC surely some must think what if they had given Pat Lambie, Elton Jantjes, Butch James or Peter Grant a chance or longer run in the bok 10 jersey.
Now the bok coaches will not care. Steyn is supposedly back on form. We will see over the course of the championship.
One thing that is certain is that Heyneke Meyer will not drop Steyn. He has shown no sign of it and even if Steyn was in the form he showed against England he still wouldn’t have dropped him.
Unlucky for Peter Grant, Elton Jantjes & Pat Lambie
24 Aug 2012, 18:23 pm
@Rhys7-406:
Some vaild points.
24 Aug 2012, 18:45 pm
what exactly is ‘form’?
Can you play one ‘okay’ game after a string of kak ones, then turn around and say you’re on ‘form’?
low expectations!
24 Aug 2012, 18:52 pm
@Transformation-408: watching the Kings at 7? I assume Lukes playing?
24 Aug 2012, 18:54 pm
@Rhys7-406: good post
24 Aug 2012, 19:17 pm
@Tacitus-73: pretty optimistic to a) assume all those players will be back from injury and b) assume even more players won’t get injured.
24 Aug 2012, 21:21 pm
Where is Percy?
I miss his insight on Keo TV.
25 Aug 2012, 01:13 am
Why not bash Morne Steyn? He is one dimensional – all the can do is place kick and drop kick well. His defence is always shown up and he can’t get a backline of SA’s best (in theory) players away to pose any threat to even mediocre opposition. Then when the only thing he has goinf for him – his kicking fails he is retained.
For goodness sakes put Lambie at 10 (he is not a fullback, at least not a good one) and Pienaar at 9. Lets play to our full potential.
25 Aug 2012, 05:35 am
Stop talking about players that will not be chosen ie kanko my team 1- beast 2 strauss 3 du plessis 4 ezebeth 5 bekker 6 coetzee 7 kolosi 8 alberts 9 pienaat 10 steyn till goosen is fit 11 mvovo 12 steyn 13 jean 14 hougaars 15 lambie 16 liebenberg 17 cilier 18 jeandre 19 daniels 20 sharks scrummie 21 janjies 22 taute
25 Aug 2012, 11:55 am
No joking… All blacks gonna skin us alive!!!
Taute and goosen need 2 b included in m22 agains them… Vermeulen need 2 b our 8th man… Cilliers have 2 start for penalty being narrowed out… Midfield have to dominate the backline…
We have to be perfectly balanced in all facets of our play.
25 Aug 2012, 12:22 pm
Its difficult to judge the Boks till they play the Wobblies and AB’s.
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