KeoTV: Stop Steyn bashing

KeoTV: Stop Steyn bashing

24 Aug 2012

MARK KEOHANE and RYAN VREDE agree that Morne Steyn is the best flyhalf we have in the context of what Heyneke Meyer wants to achieve with his game plan.

 


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  • 1.PissAnt: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 10:02 am

    Ah, but now they will blame the ‘context’ or the game plan…

  • 2.John Galt: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 10:05 am

    Have to agree with you Keo. Although I have never been the greatest fan of M Steyn, I do think he is the best for what HM wants to achieve.

    What always amazes me is how people mock M Steyn for his ultra conservative approach.

    Sure, he isnt a Dan Carter or Quade Cooper but the Bulls not only won their 3 SR titles, but won them whilst also being in the top 3 try scoring teams in each year. (correct me if Im wrong here)

    He had to have been doing something right. (I realise D Hougaard was the 10 in the SR final that shall not be mentioned.)

  • 3.John Galt: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 10:11 am

    Further to my comment above, i do think teams have become wiser to the old box kick and up and under game plan by picking wingers and full backs who are great under the high ball. Corey Jame for example.

    In this regard, M Sten does need to add another arrow to his quiver if SA is going to beat these guys in the coming tests and seasons.

    Looking forward to how Goosen performs in the next few weeks as well. Perhaps a call up for the latter stages of the RC?

  • 4.Bouts: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 10:11 am

    Funny thing is still that Morne was actually a running flyhalf before he had to change for the Bulls.

    Do they still have those ‘ditches’ around the Argies fields? Maybe they added Piranhas since the boks last game there.

  • 5.viewer: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 10:11 am

    Before the start of last week’s match, Morne “Toilet” Stain was sitting on 77% with his Test place kicks. I always thought he was at least 80%

  • 6.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 10:18 am

    people can bash away all they want

    i’m sure he doesn’t give a damn

  • 7.gunther: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 10:20 am

    Joumasetoilet.

  • 8.Bouts: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 10:21 am

    @Bouts-4: Hmmm… that makes me wonder. Will Jean possibly have a target on his back after that incident.

  • 9.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 10:27 am

    Again, this article repeats my position on this issue almost perfectly.

    Looks like sense is returning to the world.

  • 10.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 10:28 am

    @Tacitus-9:

    Article = Random conversation that happened to be recorded on camera.

  • 11.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 10:40 am

    when i have nothing good to say i prefer to keep quiet :D

  • 12.grant10: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 10:42 am

    since 2010 we have been out thought, out played and out strategised by Aussies and Kiwis….

    Hope we have a plan B to counter them this year under Meyer…..surely we must look at evolving a more attacking game? The backs against ARgies were dismal.

    Read a good article in Sports Illustrated last night by Mallet about bringing back Brussow and dropping Spies [ obviously written before the Spies injury ] …Interesting stuff…

  • 13.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 10:45 am

    @Transformation-11:
    well, thats new…

  • 14.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 10:45 am

    @grant10-12:

    We are in Step 1 of the Process this year.

    Be patient.

    The nice thing is, Step 1 involves us still moving up the rankings from where we ended after the PDivvy era.

  • 15.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 10:46 am

    @i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-13:

    Hehe.

  • 16.grant10: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 10:47 am

    The man who comes into the mix, Jacques Potgieter, is the one under pressure to vindicate Meyer’s faith in him, a faith that does not appear to be shared by that many critics, as Duane Vermeuelen is fit again and may well be poised to be introduced to the loose-forward mix for the Australasian leg of the Championship.

    Indeed, even if the Western Province No 8 doesn’t make the progress in his comeback from injury that is needed for him to be selected to tour, there is a chance that Meyer will have Ryan Kankowski available for that trip.

    When he made the squad selection in Worcester a few weeks ago, the Bok coach hinted that Kankowski would be back once he had been given a chance to settle at his Japanese club.

    It’s also not beyond the realms of possibility that Fourie du Preez will be back too, so there is plenty for Francois Hougaard to play for too

  • 17.grant10: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 10:48 am

    Post 16 from super rugby

  • 18.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 10:51 am

    @grant10-16:

    That is a good news allround.

    Jacques Potgieter is a stopgap, and is not intended to be the long term answer in the starting line up.

    I would prefer a team with Alberts back at flank and Kanko in at 8.

    Then we can choose between Potgieter and Daniel as the impact player, depending on the opposition.

    But for this game, Potgieter is the right choice. It is going to be brutal, over there in Argentina.

  • 19.grant10: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 10:51 am

    @Tacitus-14: Right now I am feeling rather under impressed with Heyneke…the omission of a recognised fetcher form the squad leaves me concerned….and I am no M Steyn fan as you know….

    Anyway….lets see what happens….

    Between the boring boks and even more boring Stormers 2012 has been a rather dismal rugby year for me so far…

  • 20.blik: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 10:52 am

    The best props in SA:

    LH: Beast, Coenie, Kitshoff, Cilliers
    TH: J DuPlesis, Coenie, Malherbe

    Coenie has the potential to be really world class. He should focus on TH.

    For the future:
    LH: Kitshoff
    TH: Marcel vd Merwe, Malherbe
    Report as inappropriate .

  • 21.grant10: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 10:57 am

    @Tacitus-18: Truth be told I know very little about J Potgieter and have seen him play only a handfull of times….

    He must be damn good to have made team ahead of players like Kolisi, Elstaht, Minnie, F Louw, etc….

    will watch him closely tomorrow….will be a tough game for sure, but Boks will come through I reckon…

  • 22.johan kotze: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 10:59 am

    how can we be the beat in the world with this guy.when percy played bad he got booed at loftus sp why should we let go of morne.and for how long have we cried foul about kwotas that should not be there now we have a good flank who is there o merrit and he is not even in the team???

  • 23.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:00 am

    Grant10

    Ah, I see the source of your misplaced frustration then. It is based not on an underestimation of the ability of Potgieter, but on an overestimation of the abilities of the alternative names on your list.

  • 24.nama1: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:03 am

    @Tacitus-18:
    If Potgieter is just a stopgap, who in your opinion is HM’s preferred 2nd flank at no. 7 behind Alberts?

    To me it looks as if Alberts is the stopgap at 8 and that Potgieter will always be part of HM’s plans.

  • 25.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:05 am

    Nama

    Juan Smith. Perhaps Burger. Perhaps Duane. Probably CJ Stander and Arno Botha also feature there, in the medium term.

  • 26.blik: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:07 am

    @nama1-24: If fully fit, I think this would be HM order of preference:

    8. Vermeelen, Kanko, Spies, Daniel
    7. Smith, Alberts, Potgieter, Steph du Toit
    6. Burger, Coetsee, Kolisi, Broussow

  • 27.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:09 am

    @johan kotze-22: siya will get his chance or he might not, heyneke is still building something here, let’s have the patience to see where it ends up.

  • 28.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:11 am

    @blik-26:
    i think daniel too is just a stopgap for hm.

  • 29.grant10: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:12 am

    @Tacitus-23: An over estimation of Brussows ability?? Started 4 tests versus Kiwis won 4 !

    M Steyn is the hand brake of the Boks backs….closely followed by JDV at 13….

    J Potgieter I cannot make any informed comment on….just have not seen enough of him to make any meaningful contribution….as I say he must be a helleva player to keep those I mentioned out the mix…all proven top class players…

  • 30.Kietzphat: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:14 am

    @blik-20:

    Cheetahs apparently planning on using Coenie at TH in the Currie Cup.

    I like it.

  • 31.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:15 am

    @Transformation-27:
    true, people should also consider that at the end of the day only so many players can make the bok team and there will always be one or two stand out players in every era who’s selection by coaches at the time have been decried.

    some guys will just be unluckiest players never to have made the bok side.

  • 32.sharks_lover: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:15 am

    @grant10-29: Well grant here is my opnion on Potgieter. You will not like what you see :lol:

  • 33.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:15 am

    @grant10-29:

    Potgieter is playing at 7. Brussouw is a 6. Keep up with the latest developments, Grant.

  • 34.grant10: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:17 am

    I am not seeing too much difference between Jake White and HM at this point….

    waiting patiently…..

  • 35.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:17 am

    @John Galt-2: What I don’t understanf is how the “knowledgeable” supporters here seem to be completely blind to Steyn’s distribution/passing skills…. The chokepoint for Bok distribution sits with one man at the moment… and that aint Steyn… Its our dear Cappie, I’m afraid.

  • 36.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:18 am

    @grant10-29:
    perhaps meyer doesn’t trust his health and fitness? maybe he sees him as an injury concern who he cannot build a unit around or with?

  • 37.nama1: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:18 am

    @Tacitus-25: @blik-26:
    Smith won’t be coming back any time soon, if ever. Not to international rugby at least.

    That leaves Potgieter 2nd behind Alberts, who we know is very prone to injury. No gents, Potgieter is no stopgap. He is there for the long haul.

  • 38.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:19 am

    @blik-20: @Kietzphat-30: every time coenie plays tighthead he hurts his neck, same injury as smit…remember this post.

  • 39.grant10: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:20 am

    @Tacitus-33:
    LOL

    I am well aware of who is playing where .

    For this Test I would have played Marcelle Coetsee at 8…left Alberts at 7 and Kolisi at 6….

  • 40.Hondo: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:23 am

    An exercise in futility this argument
    Very seldom lately did the Boks win or lost fair and square, it’s either a Bryce Lawrence swindled them or the likes of Rolland or Walsh given them Tests on a plate, Styen’s role in both the cases is a minor one.

  • 41.nama1: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:23 am

    @i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-31:
    True that.

    The problem at the moment though is that some stand out players are kept out of the team by players with inferior ability.

  • 42.blik: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:23 am

    @Kietzphat-30: Agree, J Duplesis is actually playing quite well these days, but if Coenie can develop as a TH a lot of the Boks problems are solved. It has been an area of concern, but I think with the following THs coming through, we are looking good.

    JDuplesis, Coenie, Marcel vd Merwe, Malherbe

    Marcel vd Merwe is a beast of a man. He is a powerfull ball carrier, but seems to struggle in the scrums, but is still young and needs to learn. The Freestate seem to produce good props over the years.

    I don’t rate the current Bulls props.

    Need to get replacements for M Steyn (hopefully Goosen comes through), Spies (anyone is better), and sorry to say it JDV (he has no hands, like the look of Paul Jordaan)

  • 43.grant10: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:24 am

    @i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-36: You may be right there …..

    But I would still have that type of player in the squad mix if Brussoew cant be there….

    F Louw would tick a lot of HM boxes….

    Steggmann needs to regain full fitness and form….

    I remain unconvinced of these’ Hybrids….’..

    Prefer speciailists…..

    Hybrids best used on bench…

  • 44.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:25 am

    @Heavens Game-35:
    to be fair, its a little unfair to blame jdv for distribution failures. he’s all the way at 13? distribution as i’m sure you well know is really from 9,10 or 12, no?

  • 45.nama1: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:25 am

    @Heavens Game-35:
    At outside centre?

  • 46.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:26 am

    @grant10-39: Why… Because Skop says so? You are aware that Marcell hasn’t played 8 all season? The guy is a farken prodigy, granted, but sheez even as a died in the wool Sharkie I reckon that’s taking it too far for the youngster…

    Meyer wants to loosen up Alberts… get a higher frequency of Bone Collector runs. Thats his tactic. SImple

  • 47.nama1: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:28 am

    @blik-42:
    Jordaan looks good but some people will tell you that he is a “dwarf” hence no place in the Bok team. :lol:

    JJ Engelbrecht be the man.

  • 48.grant10: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:29 am

    my ideal bok loose trio….fitness permitting…

    Kanko….8

    Alberts 7

    Brussow 6

    Either Marcelle or Kolisi on bench….

  • 49.blik: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:29 am

    @nama1-47: JJ Engelbrecht does look good, he has pace and agility, have not seen what his ball skills are like yet. True, HM does like them big.

  • 50.blik: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:31 am

    @grant10-48: My ideal:

    8. Burger
    7. Smith (but doubt he will be back so Alberts)
    6. Broussow (vs NZ & Aus), Coetsee (vs all others)

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