KeoTV: Stop Steyn bashing

KeoTV: Stop Steyn bashing

24 Aug 2012

MARK KEOHANE and RYAN VREDE agree that Morne Steyn is the best flyhalf we have in the context of what Heyneke Meyer wants to achieve with his game plan.

 


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  • 51.grant10: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:32 am

    @Heavens Game-46: Why….?

    Well I reckon Marcelle is a good couple of yards quicker than Alberts, who appears to me to be very happy at 7….

    and Kolisi played well at 6 for Stormers the entire season ….

    That is the why…in a nutshell.

    I am sure Skop has his reasons….have not seen his preferred loose trio…

  • 52.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:32 am

    @grant10-43:
    fair enough.
    we’ve had mixed results with louw and stegmann, though. something they both could refine is the ability not to give penalties away in the ‘wrong’ areas of the field.

  • 53.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:33 am

    @nama1-41:
    i still think its too early to make such calls.
    lets sum by the end of the eoyt.

  • 54.Bok fan: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:34 am

    @grant10-29: Completely agree with your points re Brussow and Morne

    Potgieter was like a young Schalk at the start of the season but shown very little impact since returning from injury

  • 55.grant10: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:34 am

    @blik-50: Worried about Schalk getting back !!

  • 56.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:36 am

    @grant10-48:
    kanko’s had one quater of a good super season, that’s all.
    not convinced he wont fold at test level again.

    @blik-50:
    bracket kolisi at 6 as well.

  • 57.Bok fan: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:36 am

    @Kietzphat-30: Awesome, we’ve needed a solid tight head for years

  • 58.grant10: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:37 am

    @Bok fan-54: Well that Chabal Lite has had a meteoric rise to the top so he must have some positive attributes….

    Maybe he shuts all the detractors up tomorrow night….

    Personally I am more concerned about the lack of a recognised fetcher in the entire aquad….

  • 59.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:38 am

    @grant10-51: But Marcell a good couple of yards quicker than Kolisi and has a higher work rate which makes him a better 6 too…

    Kolisi too farken small for blindside too… so, unlucky…

  • 60.grant10: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:40 am

    @i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-56: Yes….but to be fair Kanko was the 1 player that was farked around more than most….always off bench or out of position at 7…..never allowed an extended run like Spies was….

    and in that 6 or 7 games showed more class and ability than Spies showed n last 4 years!

  • 61.blik: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:40 am

    @i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-56: Kolisi is good, punches above his weight. I also like CJ Stander, hope he will be back

  • 62.Bok fan: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:40 am

    @nama1-37: As backup to Alberts I would rather have Johnson, Vermeulen, Deysel, wow we suddenly lacking hardmean in SA rugby, scary. Juan is badly missed. Greatest blindside flank of all time

  • 63.Hondo: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:42 am

    The Bok are 2:7 to win in Mendoza, away from home, deep into the gauchos’ heartland AND with Morne Styen at the key position of flyhalf!
    That’s straight from those who put their money where their mouth is ;)

  • 64.grant10: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:42 am

    @Heavens Game-59: For this Test I would have chosen Kolisi at 6….not blindside…

    Marcelle 8
    Alberts 7
    Kolisi 6…..

    But HM seems to havehis reasons….so I am reserving judgement as I certainly have no real knowledge of Potgieters capabilities…

  • 65.blik: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:42 am

    @Heavens Game-59: Agree, Coetsee is beeter than Kolisi. Both have massive heart.

  • 66.Bok fan: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:43 am

    @grant10-58: Yip, we always get away with it (only just) against normal team, but when it comes to the ABs and Aussies, its the height of frustration watching the likes of Mccaw and Pocock having field days. Opposite feeling when Brussow nullifies them however

  • 67.NZINCHINA: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:44 am

    If SA finishes 2nd in the RC they will have done well.

  • 68.sharks_lover: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:45 am

    @Heavens Game-59: this will get the tongues wagging HG but this loose trio would be naaice

    Alerts,Deysel, Coetzee :wink:

  • 69.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:45 am

    @grant10-60:
    hehe
    thats the beauty of being an armchair coach. everybody and his dog has got ‘the best’ players in ‘the best’ combinations selected.

    who’s to say how it woulda turned out.

  • 70.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:46 am

    @blik-61:
    oh he will be back
    he will indeed

  • 71.Bok fan: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:47 am

    @grant10-43: I dont mind 2 hybrids playing together, Schalk and Flo did it well and I think Coetzee and Kolisi could do the job but yes ideally it should be Brussow and Alberts (dont think Juan will be back any time soon) with Schalk/Coetzee/Duane at 8

  • 72.John Galt: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:47 am

    @sharks_lover-68:
    Not Deysel.

    Too one dimensional. Alberts and Deysel in the same side would be a disaster.

  • 73.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:47 am

    If we end this year in 2nd spot behind the All Blacks, it is mission accomplished.

    Next year we build on this base to charge for top spot. By then we’ll have:

    Johan Goosen
    Clarity on the Du Preez situation
    Clarity on the Juan Smith and Burger situations
    Bismark back
    Coenie back
    JP Pietersen back
    Coetzee will be in his second season of test rugby
    Heyneke will have a test season behind him as coach.

    This year will be very good. Next year is going to be awesome.

  • 74.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:48 am

    @grant10-64: Well, then thank goodness you aint coach….

    Coetzee has played 8 before but not this season… he is young…. and what do you want him to do – just as he settles as Bok openside you want to move him to 8, for the first Bok game on foreign soil… Come now.

    Best loosie trio for this game would be:

    8. Kanko
    7. Alberts
    6. Coetzee

    Simple. And if you want Coetzee to make way for an openside then you move him to blindside and put Daniel at 6…

  • 75.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:49 am

    @NZINCHINA-67:
    if you finished your noodles in time for a rub n tug before the game, you will have done well.

  • 76.willievz: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:49 am

    @NZINCHINA-67:

    There is no trophy for second place.

    But sure, many South Africans will be (are) happy with playing second fiddle.

  • 77.grant10: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:50 am

    @Bok fan-66: check latest Sports Illustrated….Mallet article…good stuff

  • 78.katman: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:51 am

    @Heavens Game-59: Kolisi is not slow at all. Not sure where this rumour started. In fact, he must be one of the quickest loosies in SA, but someone started posting something about him being sluggish, and now it seems to have become a keofact. Luckily we all know that what goes down as fact in the keoverse, seldom stands up to scrutiny in the big world.

  • 79.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:52 am

    @blik-65: These are the competitors for positions

    8. Spies, Kanko, Fatty Vermeulen, Alberts (I supect Vermeulen will be found out shortly)
    7. Alberts, Potgieter, Schalk
    6. Coetzee, Daniel, Kolisi, Brussouw

    Like it or not Coetzee is no 1 for openside… Alberts is no 1 for blindside (and dont even mention Juan Smith – bless him – the great man wont play another international).

  • 80.willievz: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:52 am

    @Tacitus-73:

    Next year there might be injuries too. It is part of the game.

    You cannot guarantee that those players will all be fit and ready for test rugby next year.

    The time is now. We have to win, now. And – contrary to what you believe – we can win, now.

  • 81.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:52 am

    @katman-78:

    Keofact. I like that term. And there are a lot of those indeed. Like the one about Morne Steyn not being able to distribute the ball to his backline.

  • 82.nama1: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:52 am

    @grant10-58:
    Chabal lite is just plain kak. No other word to describe him.

    Coetzee, Potgieter, Alberts all of them ball carriers *** defenders. Not one of them known to do some work on the ground. The Boks will look like proper fools if the Argies outplay them in the rucks this weekend.

  • 83.katman: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:54 am

    @Tacitus-73: Next year we should also see the likes of Paul Jordaan, Jan Serfontein, Arno Botha and Siya Kolisi beginning to stake their claims.

  • 84.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:54 am

    @katman-78: I never said he was slow… I am sure he is not… whoever heard of a slow black man?

    I just reckoned Marcel Coetzee was faster… and bigger, stronger, fitter, higher workrate…

  • 85.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:54 am

    @willievz-80:
    you’re no more or less right in thinking that way, than tac is in thinking his.

  • 86.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:55 am

    @katman-83:

    Yes. I have not even speculated on any star youngsters, other than Johan Goosen, who has delivered at Super rugby level.

    But the new generation is coming through, certainly.

  • 87.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:56 am

    @sharks_lover-68: Eish. SL, you going to causekak… :lol:

    In all seriousness I reckon Deysel needs to prove himself more – with less injuries – then he will come into contention behind Alberts…

  • 88.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:57 am

    a 19 year old pollard shutting the ab’s up would be a dream.

  • 89.grant10: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:58 am

    @Bok fan-71: F Louw is the 1 player I have seen that can play like a fetcher but also has the other attributes….can carry, lineout skills good, etc….

    HM is trying to convert Marcelle Coetsee, who I rate very highly, brilliant young player ….

    Not at this stage convinced he is a 6 though….will have to see how he develops there….

    the breakdown is of such paramount importance…if the opposition gets the upper hand there the knock on effects are huge…..so cant really understand why we dont play the best breakdown exponents we have…

  • 90.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 11:59 am

    @grant10-89:

    F Louw, Brussouw and co can go an fetch me some beers from the fridge.

  • 91.katman: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:00 pm

    @Tacitus-81: Indeed. And another keofact is the inevitable reversal of the Eastern Cape rugby diaspora thanks to the cheeky pied piper of Watsonia.

  • 92.katman: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:00 pm

    @Heavens Game-84: No, that’s Steve Austin you’re thinking of.

  • 93.grant10: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:01 pm

    @Heavens Game-74: yes….indeed…I am not coach….so dont stress at my wish list…

  • 94.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:01 pm

    @katman-91:

    Oh yes, forgot about that one.

    That’s a biggie.

  • 95.NZINCHINA: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:01 pm

    @willievz-76:

    nobody should ever be happy with second place but there is only one team that is going to take it this year

  • 96.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:01 pm

    @i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-44: Heard of “put the man in the gap” or “draw and pass”… ever since the QF last year when JdV did actually pass the ball, while on the outside… what happened… the ball went forward to Lambie… Now Jean just does not pass… he also does not stay on his feet, i.e. he goes to ground, and he also farken cannot offload.

    Two of the best outside centres in the world are two of the best distributors… and JdV aint one of them: Smith and O’Driscoll

  • 97.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:03 pm

    @katman-92:

    Hehe. Some of his episodes are on youtube now, in 10 minute sections.

    I checked one out the other day. He leapt over a 20 foot fence, with the customary sound effects.

    That was my favourite TV series, growing up. Although I was so young, I only remember a few episodes.

    Lovely stuff.

  • 98.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:05 pm

    @grant10-93: Not stressing… Just dont agree with Coetzee at 8… yet.

    In another universe and reality, would enjoy a mix and match of 3 rabid dogs such as Coetzee, Kolisi and Ratel as a loosie trio just to break the mould a bit, with Daniel coming off the bench… Go big (or small in this case) or go home… But it aint ever going to happen.

  • 99.grant10: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:06 pm

    @nama1-82: Hi Nama

    I am very concerned about a specialist deck player…

    I see Aussies have Hooper starting tomorrow with Gil on bench….

    Mc Caw. Todd.

    Fark…we sommer dont have 1 deck specialist in 40 man extended squad…..jeepers !!

  • 100.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:06 pm

    @katman-92: Coetzee owns Steve Austin too…

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