KeoTV: Stop Steyn bashing

KeoTV: Stop Steyn bashing

24 Aug 2012

MARK KEOHANE and RYAN VREDE agree that Morne Steyn is the best flyhalf we have in the context of what Heyneke Meyer wants to achieve with his game plan.

 


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  • 101.theOracle: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:08 pm

    passing, distributing… distributing, passing… which one can Morne do and which one can he not do… I’m getting confused :roll:

  • 102.willievz: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:09 pm

    @NZINCHINA-95: A faint heart has never won over a fair maiden.

    Call me the ever optimist.

    Never underestimate the Boks.

  • 103.TooMuchRugby: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:10 pm

    @katman-92:
    You look naked without the Snor

  • 104.grant10: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:11 pm

    @Heavens Game-98: yes….always interesting the loose trio selection….

    I was excited at the Schalk at 7 and Brussow at 6 at WC….thought those 2 had great potential there, especially if a proper [ not Spies ] 8 was selected….

    sadly not to be…

  • 105.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:11 pm

    @Heavens Game-100:

    Steve Austin can do all that stuff, while still wearing bell bottom trousers all the while. That takes some doing.

    Which brings me to another question:

    What’s up with TJ and his crowd wearing these dodgy eighties style sports jackets on their Reunion show, with the top button of their shirt undone?

    It gives a very weird vibe. I can’t quite put my finger on it, but something just seems off.

  • 106.nama1: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:11 pm

    @Tacitus-73:
    “Mission acomplished,” you say. Coming second will be mission accomplished because Meyer is “building”. Is that our aim this year?

    What happens if we don’t win it next year? Will Meyer resign or what excuse are we going to use then?

  • 107.sharks_lover: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:11 pm

    @John Galt-72: :lol: you were not meant to take the bait

  • 108.NZINCHINA: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:11 pm

    @willievz-102:

    never would, but you don’t have the personnel to win it this year

  • 109.willievz: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:12 pm

    @theOracle-101: All players at the top level can (should) be able to pass [passing].

    But not all of them can create space or attacking opportunities with their passes [distribution].

  • 110.PissAnt: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:12 pm

    I am as excited as **** about the prospect which is Johan Goosen. But how on god’s green earth is he talked up as a Bok 10 certainty already without having completed one Super Rugby season yet?

  • 111.willievz: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:13 pm

    @NZINCHINA-108: Sure, I won’t bet my house on it.

    But I can’t wait for the AB games!

  • 112.NZINCHINA: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:14 pm

    @PissAnt-110:

    desperation?

  • 113.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:14 pm

    @theOracle-101: Both… He just aint too partial to a bit of tackle… But then again there is a long line of 10s from the light blue with a proud heritage of “avoiding contact” stretching right back to the Bucktoothed legend… This is no new thing.

    But whatever Morne cant do, he definitely can kick… and he has a farken decent pass…

  • 114.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:14 pm

    @nama1-106:

    Depends on his winning record.

    For the record, I would have fired White when his win record dropped in the middle of his reign. I’m not into sacrificing short term results for long term goals.

    And neither is Meyer. He is trying to win every single game.

  • 115.NZINCHINA: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:14 pm

    @willievz-111:

    under cover in NZ this year so should be a cracker

  • 116.grant10: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:15 pm

    @PissAnt-110: I have never seen a better 10 prospect ever than J Goosen…since 1976….never farekn ever…

    My kinda 10 that….

  • 117.theOracle: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:15 pm

    @nama1-106: the bar has been lowered… we are building… we need a few more soft wins before the big guns…

  • 118.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:16 pm

    @Tacitus-105: Lol… Haven’t seen reunion lately… But it sounds like a bit of a Capetown “vibe” there now?

  • 119.PissAnt: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:16 pm

    @grant10-116:

    Who did you see in 1976?

  • 120.grant10: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:17 pm

    I would drop M Steyn as soon as J Goosen is proven fit….

    Play Goosen and decide once and for all who is seen as the next best, either Jantjes or Lambie….

  • 121.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:17 pm

    @PissAnt-119:

    Elvis. Although, that was in 1978.

  • 122.grant10: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:18 pm

    @PissAnt-119: meant in context of when I started watching rugby….

  • 123.John Galt: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:18 pm

    @Tacitus-114:
    After the Stroooli era, it was all that White could do.

    he was left with nada, an empty ship sailing on stormy seas.

    The side that he built should have been taken over by HM and then we would have seen real results.

  • 124.blik: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:18 pm

    @grant10-116: Who did you se in 76?

  • 125.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:19 pm

    @John Galt-123:

    No, no. In the middle of White’s era he lost the plot, with his talk of building for the World Cup and all that nonsense.

  • 126.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:19 pm

    @PissAnt-110: how was that different from lambie and jantjies?

  • 127.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:20 pm

    @Tacitus-121: BWAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA

  • 128.PissAnt: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:20 pm

    @Tacitus-121:

    Thought he died in 1977?

    @grant10-122:

    Lad looks promising no doubt, but I would actually like to see him complete a full senior season or competition – at least Elton and Lambie has.

  • 129.willievz: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:20 pm

    @PissAnt-110:

    Us Saffas are quick to cotton wool a player in order to prevent Gaffieing.

    But there are a lot of points to consider here.

    Sure, Goosen’s experience is limited. But he is also an unknown factor and there is limited footage available of him. The opposition will have a tough time planning against him. He is also, well, young, and has the confidence of youth.

    Etzebeth and Coetzee (similar ages) have done well in the G&G so far, and they are not much more experienced than Goosen.

    Schalk Burger was 21 when he won the IRB player of the year.

    My advice? Throw him into the deep end.

  • 130.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:21 pm

    @PissAnt-128:

    Exactly.

  • 131.John Galt: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:21 pm

    @Tacitus-125:
    Ah I see. 2006. annus horibilus.

  • 132.Bok fan: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:21 pm

    @blik-61: Ja Stander impressed me at the start of the season, loads of potential

  • 133.blik: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:22 pm

    @NZINCHINA-115: Why do you the ABs always seem to have fewer injuries than ths Boks?

    NZ also play a very attritional game, play just as much rugby. Do you think the training techniques are better? Player management? Alsthough look at John Mitchells Lions, he basically lost his whole squd to injury, and he learnt his rugby in NZ.

  • 134.fitz1ella: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:23 pm

    Lotsa people stating opinions as if they facts

    Kolisi is better tough guy and better at 6 or 7 than Marcel Coetsee
    Coetsee best position woulb be 8

    Contenders for 8
    Vermeulen, Coetsee, Kolisi, A. Botha, Daniel, Kankowski, Spies

    Contenders for 7
    Alberts, Elstadt, Burger, Coetsee, Kolisi, Du Toit, Potgieter, Stander

    Contenders for 6
    Brussow, Daniel, Coetsee, Kolisi, Stegmann, Minnie, Fourie

    Best scenario in current clime and condition

    8 Vermeulen, Coetsee, Botha
    7 Alberts, Elstadt, Du Toit, Stander
    6 Brussow, Kolisi

    Deysel don’t even get a mention, like neither Spies nor Kankowski should

  • 135.willievz: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:23 pm

    @blik-133:

    They have injuries too, but have the quality of depth to fill in for the first choices.

  • 136.nama1: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:23 pm

    @theOracle-117:
    Jip.

    It’s just the beginning. Wait until we lose against the European sides on the EOYT.

    @Tacitus-121:
    You’re in a good mood this morning. This is your 2nd joke of the day. :lol:

  • 137.sharks_lover: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:24 pm

    @PissAnt-110: Then they say Sharks supporters Hype up players?? :lol:

    Lambie might not be as skillful as as Goosen, but he sure as hell has bigger Kahooneras then most rugby players in this country, and yes he does most things right, and yes he has had one or 2 bad games things year after returning from injuries etc.

    But like you see mate, Lambie is now said to be rubbish :lol:

  • 138.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:24 pm

    @nama1-136:

    Indeed I am.

  • 139.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:24 pm

    @theOracle-117: @nama1-106: when do the kiwis ever “build”?

    i can’t seem to recall a time where they “accepted” losing to us because their coach was “building”.

  • 140.willievz: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:24 pm

    @nama1-136:

    Tac has been drinking all those beers we’ve fetched for him from the fridge.

  • 141.fitz1ella: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:25 pm

    White was a disaster that got saved by an Aussie and a very lucky run of events in a non contested WC.
    Hope Meyer shows he got more kopf than that.

  • 142.TooMuchRugby: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:25 pm

    @blik-133:
    Maybe us SAFFAS are not so tough as we think we are?

  • 143.blik: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:26 pm

    @willievz-135: Not true, not the same amount of injuries.

  • 144.sharks_lover: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:27 pm

    @fitz1ella-134: because you say so?? like you know anything, fark for a 100 year old pensioner you truely have no clue, but in your own arrogant way you think you a professor of rugby :lol:

    Stick to plastering those manholes dude, im sure after 60 years service to that industry you pretty clued up

  • 145.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:27 pm

    @fitz1ella-134: “Kolisi is better tough guy and better at 6 or 7 than Marcel Coetsee”… No, I disagree… and so do the numbers.

    Kanko our best option at 8… Simple.

    Alberts and Schalk to fight out 7… But I have a funny feeling Schalk might not make it back.

    Kolisi not a bad understudy to Coetsee but he will have to joing the queue for 6 behind Coetzee, Daniel, Brussouw… And then who knows.

  • 146.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:27 pm

    @willievz-129: look at beauden barrett, 1st season of super rugby and already an all black…came on against the irish in the 3rd test and played solidly…nobody questioning whether he’s finished a season or not.

    how many season you think aaron smith has played?

  • 147.PissAnt: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:28 pm

    @willievz-129:

    Coaches will not push players to levels they don’t have an aptitude for. Of course I am not suggesting Goosen does not have it, but why should he leapfrog Steyn (veteran), Lambie (capped Bok) or Jantjies (Bok tourist & 2 Super Rugby seasons)?

  • 148.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:28 pm

    @fitz1ella-141:

    No. White was a fairly good coach, whose ego exploded once he went from schoolteacher to Bok coach, and whose arrogance led to some very stupid decisionmaking by the 3rd year of his tenure.

    In 2007, he was saved by the Bulls and Sharks, who played in the first ever all South African Super Rugby final, and whose star players won the world cup for him with a very simple gameplan.

    All in all, White is not this villain he is made out to be by some, but neither is he this super coach that his supporters think he is.

    Mallet and Meyer are both better coaches than him. Straulie and Viljoen are worse coaches than him.

    He falls somewhere in the middle along with Carel du Plessis, perhaps.

  • 149.willievz: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:28 pm

    @blik-143: Fair enough.

    But I get the impression that they (NZ) are more streetwise in their physical approach.

    Our big men simply fokmaarvoort with little regard for their physical wellbeing. They, on the other hand, play with a measured physicality.

  • 150.nama1: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:29 pm

    @PissAnt-119: @blik-124:
    He started watching/following rugby in 1976.

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