KeoTV: Stop Steyn bashing

KeoTV: Stop Steyn bashing

24 Aug 2012

MARK KEOHANE and RYAN VREDE agree that Morne Steyn is the best flyhalf we have in the context of what Heyneke Meyer wants to achieve with his game plan.

 


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  • 151.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:29 pm

    @fitz1ella-141: White was a RWC Winner… and I’m sure he would rather be that than be the “MohammedAli of Rugby”…

    Meyer will also be a RWC winner too… and proud owner of a +75% win ratio by the time he is finished with the Boks…

  • 152.grant10: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:30 pm

    @PissAnt-128: yes…that would be ideal….I have seen enough though….brilliant player….worth a gamble, especially as M Steyn is really no more than a journeyman 10 imo…

  • 153.PissAnt: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:30 pm

    @Transformation-146:

    Does the AB’s have a Lambie and Jantjies who was already part of their national setup?

  • 154.sharks_lover: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:30 pm

    the lions also thought Deysel was rubbish last weekend, he farked them up good, that inclused Minnie and Strauss , and baywatch ,

    Justsayingyouwhouldtrythinkingonceinyourlifebeforespeaking :wink:

  • 155.blik: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:31 pm

    @willievz-135: Let’s just take this weekends line ups for an example:

    15 Israel Dagg,
    14 Cory Jane,
    13 Ma’a Nonu,
    12 Sonny Bill Williams,
    11 Hosea Gear,
    10 Dan Carter,
    9 Aaron Smith,
    8 Kieran Read,
    7 Richie McCaw (c),
    6 Liam Messam,
    5 Sam Whitelock,
    4 Luke Romano,
    3 Owen Franks,
    2 Keven Mealamu,
    1 Wyatt Crockett.

    Apart from Conrad Smith and Tony Wooddick, who would make the 22?

    15 Zane Kirchner,
    14 Bryan Habana,
    13 Jean de Villiers (c),
    12 Frans Steyn,
    11 Lwazi Mvovo,
    10 Morné Steyn,
    9 Francois Hougaard,
    8 Willem Alberts,
    7 Jacques Potgieter,
    6 Marcell Coetzee,
    5 Andries Bekker,
    4 Eben Etzebeth,
    3 Jannie du Plessis,
    2 Adriaan Strauss,
    1 Beast Mtawarira.

    Missing:
    2. Bismark
    3. Coenie
    7. Smth
    6. Burger, Broussow
    8. Spies, Kankowski, Vermmelen
    10 Goosen
    14. JP

  • 156.Skeppie: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:31 pm

    @fitz1ella-134: “Kolisi is better tough guy”…do you mean tougher/better than Coetzee in the no6 jersey?

  • 157.NZINCHINA: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:33 pm

    @blik-133:

    we get our fair share, 2009 was the last time we got hit badly and the results reflected that although we still finished the number 1 side in the world that year

  • 158.PissAnt: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:33 pm

    @grant10-152:

    I am not the biggest Steyn fan but he has been around since 2009, has broken just about every record imaginable for a flyhalf and point scorer, I don’t call that journeyman status personally.

  • 159.Skeppie: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:33 pm

    @Transformation-146: It’s weird…..the AB’s are definitley able to blooe their youngsters quicker than we are…..or are we just too conservative? It’s something aboutt heir youngsters, they seem to be more mature at a younger age. Or at least more comfortable mentally with top flight rugby

  • 160.theOracle: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:34 pm

    @willievz-111: Then I do I agree that, according to your explaination, Morne is a passer…. I’ve seldom ever seen him distribute…

    Cruden, Carter, young chappie from the Canes, Elton & Lambie are distributors..

  • 161.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:34 pm

    @NZINCHINA-157: No you did not… Sheepshaggers were no higher than 3 that year…

  • 162.nama1: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:35 pm

    @willievz-129:
    It was the same argument people used to “unleash” Derick Hougaard in the RWC in 2003, after his heroics for the Blue Bulls the year before.

    That did not pay off. In fact Derrick probably still have nightmares about a certain Chiropractor.

    No man, let Goosen complete a season or two in the CC and S15.

    @Transformation-139:
    So true Transie. They never seem to “build.”

    Their transition periods always seem to go smoothly, enen unnoticed.

  • 163.grant10: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:35 pm

    @PissAnt-147: Because he is better than them???

  • 164.NZINCHINA: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:36 pm

    @blik-155:

    think you need to put Smith out to pasture he’s gone

  • 165.PissAnt: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:37 pm

    @grant10-163:

    I don’t think so. What do you base that on? 4 Super Rugby games against 30?

  • 166.NZINCHINA: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:37 pm

    @Heavens Game-161:

    no we finished the number 1 side in the world that year

  • 167.Skeppie: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:37 pm

    @theOracle-160: Morne has all the skills for a good distribution game, he actually has a good pass off both hands…the problem is his peripheral vision in terms of identifying space as well as his unwillingness (whether personal or under orders from the coach) to play close to the gainline.

  • 168.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:38 pm

    @Skeppie-159: Hit the nail on head… Mental strength… Our youngsters on the whole are a bit woolly upstairs… Spoilt little farkers…

  • 169.blik: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:38 pm

    @NZINCHINA-157: Yeah I agree, every team gets injuries, like DC in the RWC too. But for some reason the NZ teams seem to do better than SA and Aus on that front with SA the worst of the 3.

    I think it’s a compliment to the structures in NZ. I think most people would agree, NZ rugby is run a lot more professionally than SA rugby. I think that’s a huge factor for the AB success since professionalism.

    I actually think SA has marginally more player depth and talent in the forwards as a whole, and NZ has more in the backs. But overall the player resources are pretty simillar. What is done with those resources, I think that’s where NZ is better than SA.

  • 170.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:39 pm

    @NZINCHINA-166: You are wrong.

  • 171.grant10: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:39 pm

    @PissAnt-158: he is a journeyman imo….average defence, avarage tactical kicker, average distributor, in the pocket artisan with a 77% kick rate….

    Poses very little threat ball in hand….

    I can think of quite a few local 10 s I would play instead of him…

  • 172.willievz: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:39 pm

    @PissAnt-147: One main reason: He is better than those players.

    And I think Meyer recognises this.

  • 173.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:40 pm

    @PissAnt-153: no they don’t but they sure have scrumhalfs that have test experience and plenty super rugby seasons yet chose a rookie as their starting 9.

  • 174.willievz: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:40 pm

    @nama1-162: Derick played in a kuk team.

    And received a kuk pass from Joost.

  • 175.theOracle: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:40 pm

    @Transformation-139: it is in our genetic make up to build…. Meyer’s reign at the Bulls is an example….

  • 176.NZINCHINA: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:41 pm

    @blik-169:

    too much rugby this year and they are dropping like flies, Bismark will hurt you this year

  • 177.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:42 pm

    @Transformation-173:

    If the rest of your team consists of some of the best players in the world, you have an established coaching team and the most successful captain in the history of the game, well, then you can afford to try out a rookie in a few positions, I reckon..

  • 178.NZINCHINA: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:42 pm

    @Heavens Game-170:

    show me the money then

  • 179.grant10: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:43 pm

    @PissAnt-165: I saw him play 7 superrugby games….

    and play starring roles in virtually all of them…

    made more of an impact than anyone I have seen at 10….absolutely sublime….

    now that is a player we can build around….great distributor, takes it flat, can mix it up, quick …

    and a boot like a mule….

    A ferrari compared to a Mada [ M Steyn ]…

    I would give an arm and a leg to have him at Stormers….

  • 180.willievz: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:43 pm

    @nama1-162:

    How many games did Schalk play before he became a Bok?

    How many CC games have Etzebeth played?

    Goosen was outstanding – in fact, often the best player on the park – against every team he played against this year, at Super rugby level.

  • 181.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:45 pm

    @willievz-180:

    Look, there is no set formula here.

    Some players will sink, others will swim. How you determine which is which, well, that’s an art, not a science.

  • 182.sharks_lover: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:46 pm

    @willievz-180: So was LAmbie yet he is being cASt aside Willie, and yes LAmbie proved how good he was in the Test scene, even having to play different positions, so why does he not get the same acknowledgement??

  • 183.NZINCHINA: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:46 pm

    The coveted top spot was occupied by New Zealand at the turn of the year, just as it had been going into 2009. However the All Blacks had slipped to second after suffering the first of three Tri Nations losses to South Africa in late July, ending their 11-month reign as the number one side in the world.

    South Africa sat proudly atop the rankings for 16 weeks, following up their series victory over the British & Irish Lions with five wins to lift the Tri Nations title and seemed set to end a successful year in that position. However, defeat by France in Toulouse saw them surrender it to the All Blacks and another loss to Ireland means South Africa now lie 3.08 points behind the top side.

  • 184.NZINCHINA: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:46 pm

    and we have been there ever since

  • 185.blik: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:46 pm

    @NZINCHINA-176: But NZ play just as much rugby. Agree Bismark is the best 2 around at the moment. We are lucky that Strauss is a quality player (not as all round as Bismark). If we loos Strauss too, then the next one (Liebenberg, Chilli, Burden) is far behind.

  • 186.grant10: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:47 pm

    imo…the first 2 names on a bok team sheet…

    Brussow

    J Goosen…

  • 187.willievz: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:47 pm

    @Tacitus-181:

    But based on the splashes in the pool so far, against top opposition, would you agree that Goosen has a better chance of swimming than sinking?

    Remember that Gaffie did not play S12 or CC before he became a Bok.

    Goosen has done both.

  • 188.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:48 pm

    @nama1-162: you ask yourself when did the all blacks “build” while introducing read, kaino, whitelock, jane, dagg, franks, franks, sbw, conrad smith, vito?

    that’s 10 players who didn’t play in the 2007 world cup but they never accepted coming 2nd to us at any point…

  • 189.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:49 pm

    @Heavens Game-161:
    hahahaha **** me do some research at least.
    We were #1 in the world beginning 2009, moved to second half way through only to take apart the europeons at the end to reclaim #1 spot.

  • 190.grant10: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:49 pm

    @sharks_lover-182: Lambie is an awesome talent….he should have been playing at 10 this whole Bok season already….personally I prefer Goosen….but Lambie far more a threat at 10 than M Steyn …imo

  • 191.willievz: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:49 pm

    @sharks_lover-182:

    Some people like Black Label. Others like Castle. I like both, but I like Black Label better.

    I rate Lambie, highly. But not as high as Goosen.

  • 192.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:50 pm

    @Heavens Game-170:
    lol
    wow you are so pigheaded.
    http://www.irb.com/rankings/archive/year=2009.html

  • 193.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:52 pm

    @Tacitus-177: is hansen now the “established coaching team” by himself?

  • 194.Bok fan: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:53 pm

    @PissAnt-110: Says a lot about the incumbent dont you think

  • 195.PissAnt: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:53 pm

    @Skeppie-167:

    Nothing wrong with Morne’s distribution, our Bok centres is where it falls flat in their pod-plays.

    @Transformation-173:

    Please man NZ has had a bunch of palookas for scrummies since Marshall left.

    @grant10-171:

    He is the best tactical kicker we have in SA. He has broken all sorts of records kicking for poles, and as I said, I don’t see much wrong with his distribution. Tries by Bulls outside backs in Super Rugby sort of makes a mockery of that assertion.

    So his tactical kicking has dipped just under 80% in 2012 (which seemed to be rectified last weekend) and we want to slot a 8-game Super Rugby rookie into his position? Ahead of two other players that has been part of the Bok squad, has 2 or 3 full Super Rugby seasons behind them and has done very little wrong in fact?

    I am sorry, I see no logic in that.

  • 196.Skeppie: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:54 pm

    @willievz-187: Whatever the case Goosen is more ready now than Gaffie was back then. Goosen seems to be a more complete player than Gaffie to start with and he seems to have a stronger temprament

  • 197.nama1: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:54 pm

    @willievz-174:
    True.

    Goosen was very, very good before his injury but to chuck him into the Bok fold right now, would be a mistake imo.

    This current team, how would you describe it? Now imagine Gossen being selected for it…then imagine his SH partner…the one who is regarded as the no. 1 currently…it will be more detrimental to his career expecting him to make all the magic amongst the palookas he has to play with.

    @willievz-180:
    Yes, but Schalk came into a team with some established forwards and started playing from the bench. Also, his position is not as pivotal as that of a FH.

    Etzebeth is selected due to a serious lack of quality locks with experience.

  • 198.PissAnt: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:55 pm

    @willievz-180:

    Analysis done by Super Sport showed Goosen and Jantjies neck-and-neck before he got injured actually…

  • 199.grant10: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:55 pm

    seems us saffas happy to come second….look for lots of excuses ….probably why we are 2 nd…or is it third…?

    Glad our cricketers are doing us proud…

  • 200.shooter: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 12:55 pm

    I say give that guy Lappies Senekal a chance. Really outstanding talent. Really really.

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