KeoTV: Stop Steyn bashing

KeoTV: Stop Steyn bashing

24 Aug 2012

MARK KEOHANE and RYAN VREDE agree that Morne Steyn is the best flyhalf we have in the context of what Heyneke Meyer wants to achieve with his game plan.

 


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  • 351.willievz: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 14:26 pm

    @poppa69-341: Yep, we love Mex.

    And Plum.

    Why can’t all Kiwis be like those two? :lol:

  • 352.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 14:27 pm

    @poppa69-337:
    :-)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNkJQKT_dOE&feature=bf_prev&list=FL5X-FRqHMGFXoOIzoBqKzyA

    This maori girls college choir can sing.
    The harmonies are out of this world.
    From the Movie Boy

  • 353.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 14:27 pm

    @Hurricane-348: What you talking about? You farken confused… Plum is legend…

  • 354.blik: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 14:28 pm

    @poppa69-341: Pops, I can see your point about Wayne Barnes in 2007. I only watched the game once, There was that forward pass. I can’t really comment about any bias, I did not really notice, but if there was so much outcry, then I guess there probably was.

    PDivvys team did some analysis, and said it’s normal for a ref to make about 6 mistakes in a game. In Bryces QF last year he made something like 55 mistakes (can’t remember the exact figure). Would be iteresting to see the analysis of the Wayne Barnes game.

  • 355.poppa69: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 14:28 pm

    @willievz-351: you know they increased the IQ of both countries when they moved to SA :D

  • 356.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 14:29 pm

    @poppa69-349: It seems you dont understand… Once a Shark, always a Shark… Sharks Forever… And both Plum and Mex were Sharks… What they were before or after counts farkall…

    Vatso Mummy’s boy :lol:

  • 357.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 14:30 pm

    @Heavens Game-353:
    Legend…..course.
    He is Kiwi after all. Nek minute Marmite will be a bloody legend as well.

  • 358.blik: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 14:31 pm

    @poppa69-355: Haha

  • 359.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 14:31 pm

    @Hurricane-357: No… Just Plum.

  • 360.poppa69: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 14:31 pm

    @blik-354: look, Lawrence was very popor in that game, but he still didnt drop the ball on more then one occassion with the tryline open… same as the Abs should have found another way in 2007, the really great teams take the ref out of the equation..

    but yes, i would like to see an independant analysis done on both games… but is it good for rugby to do that? because then we will start to do it for every game and we will end up without a human in the middle… Both refs for those 1/4s shoudldnt have been due to the fact they both had vested interestsm in the outcome.

    Barnes in 2007 because the winner of that game played England, ditto lawrence with NZ..

    @Hurricane-352: I know it well Hurri, was played at my Mums service.. brings tears to my eyes every time..

  • 361.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 14:33 pm

    @poppa69-360:
    ohhh Good ole Hurricane, always puts his foot in it. :-(

  • 362.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 14:34 pm

    Outtahere… before this sentimentality brings tears to my eyes too…

    Here’s to a Bokbefok weekend…

    WHooHaaaa!

  • 363.poppa69: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 14:34 pm

    @Hurricane-352: actully, wasnt that song… was E Te Atua..

  • 364.poppa69: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 14:35 pm

    @Hurricane-361: all good mate… great movie too…

  • 365.blik: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 14:36 pm

    @poppa69-346: I agree about the reffing. I think it is generally the non-english speakig teams that get it. Whenever SA has an English speaking coach, the refs are better than when we have an Afrikaans one. The 2003 Trinations was really poor reffing. NZ had a superb team then and prob would have won anyway, but the refs just confirmed it. Also the Argies, Fiji, Samoa and French don’t have it easy.

    Disagree about Aus though, alsthough letely they have improved, they get away with murder in the scrums.

    One thing, my opinion, and you probably won’t like it, but I think NZ usually has it easy when it comes to refs. The Brazil football team of rugby, play so entertaining rugby, they don’t deserve to loose.

  • 366.Bok fan: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 14:37 pm

    @Heavens Game-335: To watch Cullen play again would be the best part for me. Who would be your kicker for the Boks?

  • 367.Jeraldjay: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 14:39 pm

    The 1999 semi-final game between the AB’s and France is my all-time favourite non-Springbok game.
    Remember cuddling up to a beautiful lass during that game.

    Yoh…….

  • 368.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 14:40 pm

    @poppa69-363:
    agggh yeah i believe the girls did that as well.
    But Hine E Hine is just so well done, amazing.
    Hayley westerna does a really good version as well.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6Da4UaxCnQ&feature=related

  • 369.blik: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 14:40 pm

    @Bok fan-366: Cullen was a freak, imo more so than Jonah who has that label. Cullen probably the best 15 ever to play the game. He got messed around by John Heart at 13. He was unbeatable in space.

  • 370.poppa69: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 14:44 pm

    @blik-365: I do believe that most refs seem to have perceptions before they go into a game, and as such it influences their decision making…

    hey, we are the spiritual guardians of the game, surely we should get some advantage :D

    but seriously, I can see the point about the ABs, but I also like to think that they play smart by finding out quickly how the ref is calling it that day and adjust accordingly, other teams dont seem to be that smart….

    also like to think that there is also an element of being on top that people want to knock you off any way they can… take last weeks bledisloe, the Aussies were holding players back at the ruck (e.g Higginbottom on McCaw) and there was hardly a mention of these indiscretions..

    yet there was a youtube video about the ABs doing it previously, so I often feel people will only see what they want to… the laws need simplifying, that is the biggest problem… every ruck and maul can be penalised…

  • 371.poppa69: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 14:52 pm

    @Hurricane-368: she has a beautiful voice…

    also really like Ladi6 voice who featured on Roady by fat freddys drop…

  • 372.blik: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 14:52 pm

    @poppa69-370: Exactly, far to complicated. The ref can almost call both was at each breakdown and justify it. I liked rugby in the 80′s, whoever goes forward gets the scrum. That would also open space for the backs to run, because you would have to commit to the breakdown.

  • 373.Bok fan: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 14:52 pm

    @blik-369: Yip, my favourite player of all time by a long shot. Use to say I supported 2 teams, the Boks and Cullen

  • 374.Skeppie: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 14:54 pm

    @Hurricane-347: You have taste Hurricane…you have taste…my cap has been doffed!

  • 375.Skeppie: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 14:59 pm

    @poppa69-370: Agreed on all points but I do maintain that the AB’s seem to play things a lot smarter than the Boks of old (I think we are catching up). The whole thing of attacking players in a ruck holding onto pillar defenders and so called attacking cleaners blowing through a ruck and holding onto would be defenders only for a pick and go to follow soon after seems to be the AB’s speciality. Now I am not calling this cheating, it’s just bladdy clever play and I wish the boks were a bit more saavy.

  • 376.outrightrugby: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 15:01 pm

    Geez KEO. Thought you guys were better than that!
    Lambie is the solution…
    1. Best tackling No. 10 in world
    2. Boot has improved dramatically for both poles and touch
    3. Scores tries
    4. Sets up tries
    5. Creates forward momentum even when the pack is struggling
    6. MoM in Currie Cup final – has more gees than Steyn now that Steyn is in the 2nd half of his career.
    Pienaar then Lambie equals Boks to win by 30. Steyn and poser Hougaard equals boks to win by 15.
    Try play the Kiwis without fully testing them with your attack… they’ll hit you harder than the best defensive system in world rugby can handle.

  • 377.poppa69: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 15:01 pm

    @blik-372: the conitnual changes also wouldnt help the refs I think… seems almost every year they are bringing out new interpretations or are supposedly watching for certain things

    its the scope of variation you can get from one ref to the next that really causes a lot of problems..

  • 378.Bok fan: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 15:05 pm

    @outrightrugby-376: Agree, Pienaar and Lambie are the answer, even to implement Meyers game plan. Hougaard at 11

  • 379.Fern: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 15:05 pm

    o vok ek sien die marabse van nz is al almal weer hier…

  • 380.poppa69: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 15:07 pm

    @Skeppie-375: yep, and it raises the point that with the speed of the game today, the ref cant have his eyes everywhere all the time… so teams will find ways to push the boundaries, I just wish the ARs would have more input, it seems they are too often silent when they should be instructed to watch for certain things such as behind the last feet etc so the ref can concentrate on watching the play around the ball..

    this is where the IRB are failing the game imo..

  • 381.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 15:08 pm

    @Fern-379:
    Not all of us.

  • 382.blik: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 15:14 pm

    @Bok fan-378: Yep

    9. Pienaar (passing and kicking better thank Hougie)
    10. Much (better than Steyn, can attack the adv line)
    14. Hougie (until JP returns)

  • 383.Bok fan: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 15:19 pm

    @blik-382: Would have JP and Hougie, best wings we have by far

  • 384.Skeppie: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 15:20 pm

    @poppa69-380: In my eyes I have no real probem with it, it is gamesmanship afterall and if the Boks are not matching fire with fire then it’s our fault (this is at the heart of our 2011 WC loss). My only real issue is when the refs blow a certain infringement against one team but not the other….while this happens I don’t think it happens a lot. I think most of our problems come in when one team adapts quickly to the ref and ends up getting away with a lot.

  • 385.mshiniwami: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 15:20 pm

    This is such a bs article

    I hate the phrase: “in the context what Meyer is trying to achieve”
    Like that is supposed to absolve both of them with their limited gameplan at the expense of players who can achieve a more total brand of rugby which is also more sustainable than execution over innovation uber attrictional nonsense employed now.Bismark is just a start injury wise,Alberts will go down as well.too much attriction,not enough variation.

    Bjorn Basson is better under the high ball and better boot than Mvovo and JPP.so with what Meyer is trying to achieve Basson is prime candidate thus he would have been ahead of others due to that,and that fine? The same case with Jacques Potgieter-Kolisi/Kankowski/Strauss all better.

    Sell this sh*t to some1 else

  • 386.poppa69: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 15:27 pm

    @Skeppie-384: agree totally, and we see it in every game….
    with so much video analysis these days, surely there are dossiers on refs and how they are likely to call any given situation

    consistency is all we ask for but with so many nuances in any given period of play is it really possible to achieve?

  • 387.Bok fan: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 15:28 pm

    @mshiniwami-385: Agree, Pienaar, Lambie and Kolisi would implement any gameplan better than Hougie @ 9 (awesome at 11), Morne and Potgieter (or Spies)

  • 388.Big Hit: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 15:30 pm

    @mshiniwami-385: The moment Meyer’s kicking gameplan fails and SA lose a test it will be called into question, it’s difficult for anyone in the media to criticise if he is winning.

  • 389.Brigadier Van Zyl: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 15:37 pm

    @Big Hit-388:

    as if SA has never lost a test……

    hell, you make it sound if oz and nz have never lost a game playing their brand….
    bizarre logic.

  • 390.Brigadier Van Zyl: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 15:42 pm

    @Bok fan-387:

    pienaar and to a lesser extent lambie and kolisi…are already showing themselves to be “nearly” players.

    talented players….but if you keep losing the big ones?
    flattrack bullies who play their best games when the pressure is off.

  • 391.Bok fan: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 16:02 pm

    @Brigadier Van Zyl-390: Dont know, I would see them as BMT players. Both Pienaar and Lambie have never had the luxury of extended runs in the 9 and 10 jerseys for the Boks, which is actually ridiculous. Pienaar showed real class in the knockout stages overseas for Ulster and Lambie has proven in Currie Cup knockout games what he can do at 10. Kolisi also showed in the Super 15 he has what it takes IMO

  • 392.BillTong: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 16:08 pm

    Hey Brig @ 389;

    According to the blogs on this site, SA has never “lost” a test. In the unfortunate times where the Boks happen to score less points than the opposition, it’s usually because the ref or the other team cheated.

    Apparently, no Boks team has ever actually “lost”.

  • 393.BillTong: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 16:12 pm

    Not even 49-0

  • 394.BillTong: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 16:13 pm

    PS
    Are you related to Piet?

  • 395.Bok fan: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 16:14 pm

    @BillTong-392: No unfortunately there have been a few (think Straulli days) but yes it is almost always the ref :)

    in my eyes at least

  • 396.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 16:21 pm

    @poppa69-386:
    you mean with such outright and willful intention to deceive refs on the scale you do is it possible for them to blow it squarely?

    no, its farking not.

    simple solution: stop farking cheating you miserable filth.

    that or the refs just blanket penalise you lot.

  • 397.ryecatcher: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 16:22 pm

    SL @ 145.Lets hear it for the Wrinklies.

  • 398.BillTong: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 16:26 pm

    Bakkies luv Child @ 396:

    Refer #392

  • 399.ryecatcher: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 16:36 pm

    John Galt @ 233.But will always be a utility player in Bok Sqad 10/15

  • 400.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    24 Aug 2012, 16:38 pm

    @BillTong-398:
    in their case its mostly true.
    seriously

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