Comments on: Meyer laments breakdown efforts, discipline

By: xtremebull

xtremebull — Mon, 27 Aug 2012 15:01:00 +0000

@ mike h 63- don’t replace k..k with k…k…
The best we have at fullback is that andries coetzee of the lions… U may differ with me but with lines he run from back is what we need… Some1 to ignite our backline… jean is becoming anonymous lately so is fransie…

15-coetzee(lions)
14-ndugane(bulls)
13-engelbrecht(bulls)
12-steyn(sharks)
11-habana(wp)
10-lambie(sharks)
9-hougaard(bulls)
I chose ndugane coz he is by far at the moment the better chaser for heinekes gameplan and he defends his channel well… Attacking wise we do need some one who attack the vantage line and lambie and hougaard will complement eachother
Jj will be a lovely runner off steyn.

8-vermeulen(wp)
7-alberts(sharks)
6-brussow(cheetas)

2 bulky forwards upfront to clean out with the skilfull brussow to attack the breakdowns and win us forward ball

5-kruger(bulls)
4-etzebeth(wp)
3-cilliers(lions)
2-strauss(cheetas)-captain
1-oosthuizen(cheetas)

Mobile enginroom and contestable in the scrums… Bekker is superkak so is jannie and beast is vading aswell… Heineke need to peel of the skulls and choose on merit… Not experience and what he think will work… He is losing my vote of confidence slowly but surely

By: Mike H

Mike H — Mon, 27 Aug 2012 14:22:02 +0000

Also agree Kruger rather than Bekker

By: Mike H

Mike H — Mon, 27 Aug 2012 14:21:16 +0000

Lambie or Goosen at Flyhalf, Joe Pieterson at the back to kick goals. F. Steyn to take longer range kicks

By: Mike H

Mike H — Mon, 27 Aug 2012 14:20:15 +0000

Yip i agree we need to have more support runners and small offloads in the tackle. It will speed up our attack and not give the opposition time to regroup. currently we look like the Stormers on attack.

By: Mike H

Mike H — Mon, 27 Aug 2012 14:13:46 +0000

This is where experience plays a massive role and why i disagree with most peoples posted dream teams full of young stars.

Things will get better.

Bekker is just no Matfield and our line-out contesting on opposition ball is ****. We need to turn over opposition ball in the line-out to ensure we starve them of ball and give ourselves more chance to play.

By: Hurricane

Hurricane — Mon, 27 Aug 2012 03:23:23 +0000

@NZINCHINA-59: Yeah just a few believe Argies are playing illegally. Of course majority believe its a Bok problem but the few just can not accept that.

By: NZINCHINA

NZINCHINA — Mon, 27 Aug 2012 02:06:52 +0000

@Hurricane-55: are the Argies cheating now, fark these SAFFA's are really bleating now have they no pride?

By: Hurricane

Hurricane — Mon, 27 Aug 2012 01:20:15 +0000

@Te Rangatira-57: Yep with you there. We need to play those players but would prefer them to start in NZ.

By: Te Rangatira

Te Rangatira — Mon, 27 Aug 2012 00:20:10 +0000

@Hurricane-55: Rest assured the Abs wont take the Argies lightly, not after what they did to the Bok on the weekend. In saying that I think we do need to give some of our reserves a run against them preferably at home, Cruden,Cane,Vito and Faumaina all need to get some starting game time.

By: boks07

boks07 — Mon, 27 Aug 2012 00:06:10 +0000

No, excuses.. That effort was nothing short of pathetic. At what point will we realise that kicking the ball away is not the answer.
I’m sick to death of watching this failed tactic come into play time and time again.
Ball in hand with solid support play, Busting up the middle and drawing in the deffenders before spreading the ball to a DEEP backline that has room to execute a backline move. Time to wake up Bokke.. Have trust your ability boys.

By: Hurricane

Hurricane — Sun, 26 Aug 2012 23:54:06 +0000

@SjamBok-52: @SjamBok-53: Dont listen to people who now think the Argies play illegally. These people just cant figure out how an Argentine team can match it with the mighty Boks. So only way they can get there head around it is to believe the Argies played illegally. Argies are no push overs. I am quite worried when we go over and play them. Like a few on here i wont take them lightly and i hope our AB team does not relax around them.

By: Hurricane

Hurricane — Sun, 26 Aug 2012 23:47:09 +0000

@brains_trust-47: Our NZ warriors team (Rugby League) coach got sacked about 5 games to go until end of season. It was his first year as well.

By: SjamBok

SjamBok — Sun, 26 Aug 2012 23:29:33 +0000

If we are up against it with eth ref, we need to change to thext plan – keeop it close with the forwards, smash into their 22 (before they start their illegal play)and get the drop kick over.

By: SjamBok

SjamBok — Sun, 26 Aug 2012 23:28:38 +0000

@Brigadier Van Zyl-17: I agree that teh ref was being very lenient on teh Argies at the breaksdown, but FFs that is why we should have a plan to nullify this kind of ****.

By: Yetirat

Yetirat — Sun, 26 Aug 2012 19:14:24 +0000

What we need to focus on is keeping the ball alive in contact instead of going to ground so easily. That’s when the breakdown becomes less of a focal point and you begin to make easy meters. Boks were doing it during the RWC under PDV. Something that can be coached – you don’t need wholesale changes.

By: Yetirat

Yetirat — Sun, 26 Aug 2012 19:08:40 +0000

Last night was a travesty, but some of the things being said on here are nothing short of a joke. The coach is out of his depth? Only a few games ago we were steamrolling England in the first half of that 2nd test with ball in hand and everyone was celebrating Heyneke’s arrival. Now the entire team must be changed and Heyneke must go because he “is clearly out of his depth”. Words fail me.

By: outrightrugby

outrightrugby — Sun, 26 Aug 2012 17:21:02 +0000

Advice for Hieneken:

1. Get over “ball carriers” – the breakdown is a more important facet of modern rugby.
2. Two draws against the 4th and 8th ranked teams in the world respectively is not acceptable – change your game plan… it is not working
3. Lambie in, Steyn out (or are the millions of rugby fans around the world just morons)
4. “Too many bulls spoil the boks” – sellect a greater percentage of players from the unions that out-performed the Bulls comprehensively this year (they did so for a reason… better players).
5. Our challenge is now to come 2nd in the rugby championship, if the weakest Aussie team of a decade beats us to that spot I will tear and bin my Springbok jersey
6. Point 1 again – Ball Carriers mean nothing

By: SodaJoe

SodaJoe — Sun, 26 Aug 2012 17:14:06 +0000

@blueboy-44:

15-Kirchener-5
14-Habana-4
13-De Villiers -3
12-F Steyn-5-
11-Mvovo-3-
10-M Steyn-4
9-Hougaard-6
8-Alberts-6
7-Potgeiter-4
6-Coetzee-5
5-Bekker-3
4-Etsebeth-6-
3-jdup-5
2 -Strauss-5
1-Beast-4

By: brains_trust

brains_trust — Sun, 26 Aug 2012 17:04:49 +0000

I like the way Premiership Soccer teams sack a coach mid season if he’s not delivering results – the boks need to do the same!

Problem is the coaching the Boks is such a poisoned chalice that no quality Intl Coach would consider the job. I feel the Boks need a Intl Coach like Warren Gatland or Eddie J.

By: brains_trust

brains_trust — Sun, 26 Aug 2012 16:52:33 +0000

Is HM on a 3 or 6 month probation period like all other jobs? I don’t see why the Bok coach should be virtually guaranteed a 4 year tenure. If they don’t cut the mustard (eg 70 or 80 % win ratio) they must get the sack!

Let’s give HM a chance, but a 60% win ratio (agaist a weak Eng side @ home and RC newbies Argentina) is a VERY poor start, from what I have seen thus far we will really struggle agaist the Wallabies and ABs.