Double boost for WP
28 Aug 2012
WP are set to have flank Rhynardt Elstadt and prop Deon Carstens available for selection ahead of their clash against the Blue Bulls in Cape Town this weekend.
Elstadt has been sidelined with a groin injury since the Super Rugby semi-final loss to the Sharks, while Carstens suffered a broken nose during the Currie Cup opener against the Durban union.
Elstadt is a major return for Province, who have just lost Siya Kolisi to a broken thumb.
However, WP are still missing loose forward Nick Koster (knee) and fullback Joe Pietersen (wrist).
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29 Aug 2012, 00:10 am
@Humphrey-500:
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29 Aug 2012, 00:10 am
@Humphrey-500:
Speaking of dogshit. That’s me for another day. Cheers and god bless!
29 Aug 2012, 00:12 am
@I am a stormer-502: c u l8a dog sh*t.
29 Aug 2012, 00:13 am
@victoriabok-501: dog sh*t does but he’s barking up the wrong tree.
29 Aug 2012, 00:14 am
i kinda miss fitzy.
29 Aug 2012, 07:43 am
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2012-08-28 22:04
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JOHANNESBURG. – Onsekerheid oor die spelpeil en fiksheid van spelers het die Springbok-keurders gister genoop om die span-aankondiging vir die komende Australasiese reis uit te stel.
Die span word nou vandag aangekondig, aangesien daar glo nie eenstemmigheid bereik kon word oor sekere spankeuses nie.
’n Speler soos die Westelike Provinsie-agtsteman, Duane Vermeulen, was glo hoog op die besprekingslys, aangesien hy pas eers van ’n besering herstel het.
Tog is dit die Springbokke se spelpatroon, eerder as individue se vermoëns, wat volgens enkele oud-Springbokke ’n groter probleem is.
Terwyl die spel van Francois Hougaard en Morné Steyn as skakelpaar in die spervuur staan ná Saterdag se toets teen Argentinië, glo die voormalige Bok-vleuel Pieter Hendriks hulle is nie die sondaars nie.
“Die probleem is die hele spelpatroon. Ons speel heeltemal te veel in die eerste kanaal rondom die losskrums en skep nie genoeg ruimte nie.
“Ons agttal is almal ’n klomp baldraers, daar is nie ouens wat die vuilwerk doen nie – baljagters en ouens wat om die losskrums skoonmaak.
“Die hele patroon sit druk op die skakelpaar en agterlyn,” het Hendriks gesê.
Tog erken Hendriks die Argentyne is geensins ’n hierjy span nie.
Vir hom is die Vrystater Johan Goosen ’n losskakelkeuse vir die toekoms, maar eers as hy behoorlik wedstrydfiks is. Sowel Hendriks as die gewese Bok-losskakel Hennie le Roux glo egter grootskaalse veranderings in die middel van die reeks is nie die oplossing nie.
“Ek dink nie ons moet nou te paniekerig raak nie. Dit gaan vir my liewer oor verbetering van tekortkominge met goeie afrigting,” het Le Roux gesê. Albei glo egter Hougaard aard nie behoorlik in die huidige patroon as skrumskakel nie.
Le Roux glo daar moet bloot aan sy skopwerk geskaaf word, terwyl Hendriks vir Ruan Pienaar of Jano Vermaak ’n kans sal gun.
29 Aug 2012, 08:35 am
HM should put more Bulls in the Bok team. There is way too much variance between their IQs which is causing an imbalance, especially in the pack.
29 Aug 2012, 08:39 am
I hope he dropes Lambie Keegan and Burden, Before HM turns them into kick and chase robots
29 Aug 2012, 08:40 am
Dropes=drops
29 Aug 2012, 08:53 am
@sharks_lover-508: I’d rather have the WP players in the CC where they can spend time getting their attacking flair back than playing for HM.
29 Aug 2012, 08:55 am
big rumours that both Vermeulen nd Goosen will be included.
Crazy deperation by HM….no way they ready to play against Aussies and Kiwis…
29 Aug 2012, 09:04 am
@grant10-511: Well like i said grant what message does this send Lambie?? who was not even played? yet he will lose his spot?? And watch PLum will get blammed for stuffing LAmbie around etc when it again is the Bok management, uselss buncha farkers lol
29 Aug 2012, 09:06 am
@garth-507: Same for me, i mean we havea total of 10 players out the Bok duty or Injuries, we can make do with Lambie, Daniel, Burden back.
I see however Peter Dixon has signed with the Sharks to help out till the end of the year.
29 Aug 2012, 09:06 am
@sharks_lover-513: Sorry make that 18
29 Aug 2012, 09:13 am
@grant10-511: Lambie may make 15 seeing that Zane has been on fire
29 Aug 2012, 09:16 am
@grant10-511: well meyer said he was going to give some players a chance for the 2 argie games and then reassess after mendoza.
what amazes me is how some people were screaming for players from their team to be in the bok mix and now they’re b.itching and screaming for them to play currie cup betraying their disdain for the interests of the boks
29 Aug 2012, 09:21 am
@Transformation-516: True….Boks must always come first…
Having watched Vermeulen and Goosen the weekend they are too undercooked still ….
No way they going to be anywhere near ready to go Down Under…
I am a hufge Goosen / Vermeulen / Brussow fan, but now is not the time for them….
29 Aug 2012, 09:23 am
@garth-515: Na boet Lambie is meant to be splinter *** when it comes to Bok rugby
29 Aug 2012, 09:24 am
@Transformation-516:
And this is funny, why?
29 Aug 2012, 09:26 am
@Transformation-516: Because we thought with all the talk HM would be fair to players, but it was the usual blah blha blah BS, He had a good chance to give LAmbie a fair chance, and not even start him, instead he stuck to skop and Jag, you think it was fair on Daniel to be dropped after 1st match????,
Spies played kaka for years and never got dropped , so too MOrne,
29 Aug 2012, 09:27 am
@Transformation-516: It is currently in the Boks interest for HM to pick the his provincial fringe players so that they can be proven as k@k before he get’s told to leave…. sooner rather than later. Thereby doing the next coach, hopefully a decent one, a favour by showing him which players are not up to it.
29 Aug 2012, 09:28 am
Is al-Masih ad-Dajjal coaching the Springboks?
29 Aug 2012, 09:29 am
No wonder Kanko rather opted for the *** thing, he knew he would just be a bench warmer come bok duty,
The man has learnt
29 Aug 2012, 09:32 am
@grant10-511:
Perfect Goose on the menu then at the new house of pain.
29 Aug 2012, 09:33 am
@grant10-517: Spot on. After waffling on all week about how he’s a coach not a picker, now he’ll bring in 2 guys who haven’t played all season, and if they fail, I can just hear all the shirieking and histrionics on here from some Bulls and Sharks fans lol
29 Aug 2012, 09:34 am
*** = J@p
29 Aug 2012, 09:38 am
Anyhows i was one calling for HM so i will just have to keep supporting and hoping he is making the right calls etc.
All i want is if he eint gonna use the lIkes of Lambie or Burden etc stop farking them up and send whoever back to their provinces to regain and keep form,
I am not angry that Lambie did not start, i am angry though that when having a great chance to even give the kid a few minutes off the bench he refused to,
that tells me a little about his intentions
29 Aug 2012, 09:41 am
@NZINCHINA-524:
yes….tough tour awaits…..Perth is key, if we lose there the Kiwi trip will be a nightmare of Freddie Krueger proportions….
@Atreides-525: It is a ludicrous situation, setting them up to fail…..crazy, knee jerk stuff…..Rather play Lambie / Elton and or Kanko / Keegan…..
unfit players at this level is criminal
29 Aug 2012, 09:41 am
@Atreides-525: wrong, i dont want Goosen or Vermeulen to fail. i was prolly the first to say on here they not ready after their long injury layoffs,
Noone can doubt their abillities as players,
Vermeulen did look quite f=good that first 15 to 20 min last weekend, but there after he dissapeared into space, not his fault, Goosen was very poor then got taken off, again not his fault, but hey its HM’s call
29 Aug 2012, 09:42 am
@WP-Forever-519: “funny” as in amusing or strange?
29 Aug 2012, 09:43 am
@Transformation-530:
Both
29 Aug 2012, 09:51 am
@sharks_lover-527: “I am not angry that Lambie did not start, i am angry though that when having a great chance to even give the kid a few minutes off the bench he refused to,”
why must lambie ALWAYS play?
i don’t recalll you “angry” that jantjies and bjorn basson sat on the bench the WHOLE game in PE even though the same MSteyn was playing nonsense…nasty sharky tendencies
29 Aug 2012, 09:56 am
AlanSolomons
Boks searching for balance
2012-08-29 09:27
Sport24 columnist Alan Solomons (File)
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The Springboks were certainly off colour on the weekend and were quite fortunate to come away with a draw. Post-game Heyneke Meyer said that he didn’t want to make any excuses and in his own words, the performance was ‘unacceptable.’ There is no question it wasn’t a good performance. The Boks went into the game with a particular strategy, but were stymied and therefore unable to execute.
The Boks’ strategy is based on their ability to physically dominate their opponents and to have their big ball carriers generate momentum – evidenced by the fact Jacques Potgieter was selected ahead of Keegan Daniel.
What happened on the weekend was that the Boks were unable to outmuscle the Pumas; their strong defence ensured the Boks were unable to generate momentum and consequently the Boks struggled to play. When their game plan doesn’t come off, they seem to struggle and don’t appear to have many alternatives. At the moment, the Boks are not at all creative on attack.
One just has to look at the All Blacks to offer a clue. South Africa has the players capable of playing that style. It boils down to having a high skill level, players who are technically proficient and are good decision makers. I’ve been told that the All Blacks had a massive focus on their ball placement and the collisions, because they felt that let them down in the previous Test against Australia. They got that right and subsequently were able to generate very quick ball from breakdown situations.
The Boks’ breakdown wasn’t good and consequently they had a weak platform to play off. There are a number of factors which contribute. It’s the carriage, placement and clean-out. It starts with the carriage. For example, if a player makes a dominant tackle it’s a lot easier for him to defend, because he has time to set the line and the opposition are on the backfoot. Similarly, if a team boasts a dominant carriage with good go forward; it’s far easier to clean than it is for the opposition. Heinrich Brussow is outstanding on the ground, but a lot of that is to do with opposition ball.
As a group we struggled. Yes, Morne Steyn didn’t have his best kicking game, but to single out an individual is unfair. I don’t think the blame can be laid at his door, for what Heyneke himself described as a very poor collective performance.
It’s very early on to judge Heyneke – he has only had five Tests and has to be given a decent opportunity to settle. I think that at the end of the Rugby Championship one can then reflect, and it will be easier for pundits to pass judgment. This tournament will serve as a better measure than the England series as he now has a good stretch of time with the players.
The point I would like to stress is that is a question of always attaining balance. While there are those who feel the Boks under Meyer are over-structured, which is a valid argument, I would rather take a positive line and say the Boks need to ensure that they maintain a good balance between attack and defence, and have alternate strategies in place. At the moment we are clearly seeing an imbalance.
Johan Goosen and Elton Jantjies are both outstanding players and are certainly considerations going forward. Perhaps at a point there will also be an opportunity for a player like Juan de Jongh, who presents a different set of difficulties to defences, than a more physical, defence-orientated centre.
With the Wallabies next in line, the Boks have to step up a gear. The Wallabies don’t have the finest pack in world rugby, and the Boks should be able to get on top of them upfront. That said, I thought they defended particularly well against the All Blacks. They held their hosts to a single try – in spite of the fact the All Blacks dominated the fixture.
The increased scrutiny is harsh on Robbie Deans as he has proved himself as an excellent coach. It’s tough for Deans at the moment as he is playing against top sides and from an all-round perspective I’m not sure Australia really has the ammunition, particularly in terms of player depth.
The Boks have plenty going for them in the next Test, which will be played in Perth. They will be up for the game mentally and will be aware an away win would be crucial. That said, the Wallabies will be desperate for a win after back-to-back losses.
At the moment, because the All Blacks are a very well-balanced side and are extremely dangerous on attack, they are a cut above everybody else. While I wouldn’t say it’s the very best All Blacks side I have ever seen – the 1996 side led by Sean Fitzpatrick was brilliant – they are certainly a very good unit.
While it’s always difficult to compare different eras, in terms of performances over the first two rounds, there is certainly daylight between them and the other sides.
Alan Solomons was assistant coach to Nick Mallett when the Springboks went 17 Tests unbeaten. He is currently EP Kings’ Director of Rugby and is a
29 Aug 2012, 10:05 am
SA’s “magnificent depth” is getting tested..
and it is falling way short…
29 Aug 2012, 10:06 am
I agree with Solomons about J De Jongh….I believe he would be a far better bet at 13 playing off F Steyn than JDV…
29 Aug 2012, 10:08 am
@poppa69-534: The selections have been shocking Poppa….
I am convinced I would be able to choose a SA team left out that would thump the rabble selected for the last Test vs Argies
29 Aug 2012, 10:11 am
@grant10-536: good to see you back G10..
perhaps, but I think it was complacency on the teams behalf as they had beaten the Argies the week before… It happens to teams when you are the odds on favourites, as kiwis know.. its how they rebound that is important, the bad thing is they are facing a team just as desperate to prove a point.
Perth will be a humdinger of a test..
29 Aug 2012, 10:14 am
@grant10-535: Yes. Or, JDJ could be a bigger threat on the second phase.
For example, F.Steyn crashes on first phase, and sets up second phase ball. Morne passes to JDJ on second phase.
You can also alternate with JDJ at 12 on first phase – he will more often than not give you front foot ball by stepping on the weaker shoulder of the immediate defender. Then you can use Frans as a passing midfielder on second phase ball.
The trick is to mix it up according to field position and the defensive alignment in front of you. When was the last time any Bok paceman had two forwards in front of him to negotiate?
29 Aug 2012, 10:16 am
@Transformation-532: why not?? whats the point of not ;playing??? first thing that happens that has already happened is supporters now saying he is not good enough,,
No problem their point of view, so why **** up his career like other coaches did to Kanko??
My point of view dude, i happen to care for the Sharks players, i am sure the WP supporters for example do the same for their players, as we have seen, no problem their right to do so
29 Aug 2012, 10:53 am
@willievz-538: Yip….you need to throw your CV into the hat Willie…
29 Aug 2012, 10:54 am
@poppa69-537: Thanks Poppa…
Perth will be the Dance of the Desperados….
Deans and HM under huge stress…..
should be fun mate
29 Aug 2012, 10:59 am
@grant10-541: Grant HM aint under pressure now boet. remember deans has been coaching Aussie a few years already and gone through a WC campaigne
29 Aug 2012, 11:16 am
@sharks_lover-542:
If Boks take a loss in Perth and a mauling in Dunedin HM will feel the heat ….and the way he is reacting in the Managers Box makes me think he may not be 1 to take the strain very well.
29 Aug 2012, 11:30 am
@grant10-543: if heyneke expects players to be “mentally tough” one assumes he is too, fair?
29 Aug 2012, 11:39 am
@Transformation-544: More than fair….
I dont believe he will be around in a few months time if he loses in Perth and Dunedin….
He talks a good game, but I see him succumbing to the pressure…
29 Aug 2012, 11:50 am
@grant10-543:
Perth is a 50/50 game, I doubt you’ll win in Dunedin its under cover so the weather has been taken out of the equation which means very quick running rugby, the current Bokke side will just not keep up
29 Aug 2012, 11:52 am
@grant10-545: So are we expecting the return of Jake for the end of year tours ?
29 Aug 2012, 19:19 pm
@stew-547:
Jake White = John Smit / Percy Montgomery / Victor Matfield?
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