Duane’s day to remember
29 Aug 2012
Duane Vermeulen is finally a Springbok and one of two uncapped players for the Rugby Championship tour to Australia and New Zealand.
Johan Goosen is the other newbie, with recalls for Juan de Jongh and Bath-based Francois Louw.
‘Untimely injuries to Bismarck du Plessis, Chiliboy Ralepelle, Pierre Spies, JP Pietersen and Bjorn Basson have already hit us hard in the past few weeks. This again provides opportunities for other players to put up their hands,’ said Bok coach Heyneke Meyer.
‘We were very keen to give Siya Kolisi an opportunity on this tour, but he is also out injured, alongside a list of other injured or unavailable forwards that include Gurthrö Steenkamp, Heinrich Brüssow, Schalk Burger, Juan Smith and Ryan Kankowski.’
Meyer confirmed he would have selected Vermeulen and Goosen in his initial Test squad but for injury to both players.
‘I regard both of them as world-class rugby players. If it wasn’t for injuries, Duane would have been a Springbok long ago. I also believe Johan has a long career ahead of him at Test match level and we will expose him when and how we feel it will benefit the player and the team best.
‘Both Juan and Francois played at the Rugby World Cup last year and are experienced players. Juan covers both positions in the midfield and we opted for Francois because he is a specialist openside flanker, in the absence of Schalk, Heinrich and Siya, that can cover blindside and No 8 as well, while he is also a very useful option in the lineout.
‘I’m also very excited with the quality of young talent coming through – Eben, Marcell and Johan are all still U21 and that bodes well for the future of Springbok rugby.’
Springbok squad – Willem Alberts, Andries Bekker, Craig Burden, Pat Cilliers, Marcell Coetzee, Juan de Jongh, Jean de Villiers (c), Jannie du Plessis, Eben Etzebeth, Johan Goosen, Dean Greyling, Bryan Habana, Francois Hougaard, Zane Kirchner, Juandré Kruger, Pat Lambie, Tiaan Liebenberg, Francois Louw, Tendai Mtawarira, Lwazi Mvovo, Ruan Pienaar, Jacques Potgieter, Frans Steyn, Morné Steyn, Adriaan Strauss, Flip van der Merwe, Jano Vermaak, Duane Vermeulen.
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29 Aug 2012, 12:40 pm
@Stiff-arm-98: Does this now end the debate of FETCHER v NOFETCHER
29 Aug 2012, 12:41 pm
I’ll have freakin goosebumps when Goosen makes his Bok debut. But I definitely only as a sub and phased in gradually.
29 Aug 2012, 12:41 pm
@Atreides-97: Exactly. It is brainless.
29 Aug 2012, 12:41 pm
@Puma-100: Agreeing with this…
29 Aug 2012, 12:41 pm
@sharks_lover-77: where do you see 4 hookers? are you at mavericks?
29 Aug 2012, 12:43 pm
@grant10-47: Yes mate, also really happy now- Flouw was a critical piece of the puzzle in Brussouw’s absense. Go Heineke ! And Vermuelen and Goosen, Yaaaaay/
29 Aug 2012, 12:43 pm
i dont understand this Keegan potgieter debate. Keegan played an anonymous game at Newlands. He was subsequently relegated to the bench. He came on for marcell who contributed very little in Mendoza. He showed some individual skill with his good hands and chip chick which was all he did somehow he is now the answer. Potgieter who i feel is not the greatest 7 nor at his age will he rise to any exiting highs did actually play better than his two loose forward team mates. Alberts and coetzee were nowhere near him in tackle count not meters gained. He made more tackles than any other player on the bok team and apart from estebeth looked like he wanted to be there… yet the rest of the forwards seem to get no criticism even when they all contributed far less????
Its not as if Keegan played brilliantly and potty played dismally, neither player excites me at test level but the debate from sharks fans like puma are laughable and full of prejudice .
29 Aug 2012, 12:44 pm
@sharks_lover-89: wrong, FLouw made his bok debut at 6, with dewalt at 7 and joe van niekerk @ 8…
29 Aug 2012, 12:45 pm
@Stiff-arm-98: “Klipgooier”….. bwaahaaaa. Laughed out lout….. Very funny…….. had a damn good laugh there…. hahaha.
29 Aug 2012, 12:46 pm
@rvanaardt-107: I would imagine it;s because of the potential Daniels has vs the potential Potgieter has? If you look at Daniels’ super 15, he has the ability to take the step up, and has had some huge matches, also growing as a skippert, but gets yanked after 50 minutes….whereas passengers like Olivier and Spies get 30, 40, 50 matches to prove themselves
Amd I re-iterate, not a shark or necessarily anti-bulls players
29 Aug 2012, 12:46 pm
@Puma-109: lout = loud
29 Aug 2012, 12:47 pm
@Transformation-99:
Hehe.
Look, my view is the relative number of caps of this Bok team tells a story in itself.
We are at the bottom of a Bok cycle at the moment ,and need to build a brand new team. Half the selections are stop gaps, and the other half are talented youngsters that are 3-4 years from reaching their peak.
The top level stars in the current team are limited to Frans Steyn and maybe Willem Alberts.
For the rest:
Beast is a so-so scrummager.
Adriaan Strauss is a stop gap.
Jannie is a stopgap.
Etsebeth is a youngster 3 years from his peak.
Bekker is a stopgap
Coetsee a youngster 3 years from his peak
Alberts as I’ve said, is a geniune star
Who knows who the no.8 is?
Hougaard is a lost youngster, playing out of position
Morne is a stopgap
Frans is a geniune star
De Villiers is a stopgap
Mvovo is a stopgap
Habana is a stopgap
Kirchner is an amusing stopgap
Point is, this is a **** Bok team. But we can’t do any better with what we have right now.
29 Aug 2012, 12:47 pm
@Puma-80:
M Steyn and JD Villiers are the 2 problem players in the backline…
For the Aussie Test I would start with Lambie at 10…J De Jongh at 13….
But once Goosen fit I ftruly believe he will be a superstar….
Then for me Goosen at 10…..
I would also have Aplon at 15……
But right now I am absolutely ecstatic ….F Louw is a brilliant selection….absolutely brilliant…..
Once all fit we bring back Brussow in the mix and I am in rugby Nirvana….add Guthro Steenkamp and all is well in G 10 s world….
Also feel Keegan a better bet than Potgieter, but they are meant for different roles….and cant see J Potgieter starting with the squad that is there now…
How JJ Engelbrecht jumped over JDJ in the 1 st place was simply dumb…
29 Aug 2012, 12:47 pm
@82 who is “we”?
So HM will take the risk of tinkering with combinations against Aus & NZ away
I bet he’s about to do a “lambie” or “elton” on JdJ, Big Duane & The Goose. Too Shitt scared to play them vs the ABs
29 Aug 2012, 12:47 pm
HM starting to doubt his own prejudices,
De Jongh in then out then in again
Lambie in then not too sure then just a spare part
Daniel in then out then in then out
Kolisi out then in then out again without touching a ball. If anyone should have gone to argentina ahead of Potgieter should have been Kolisi cause at least he’d still be available.
Engelbrecht out then in then out after 10 minutes chasing shadows
Only consistency is Potgieter the favored blue eyed son of a gun, and Steyn of course, who would ever dream about dropping him?
29 Aug 2012, 12:48 pm
@stew-101: That depends on how HM uses FL, or not. But the answer is clear: No, it’s not Deans and Henry/Hansen that’s wrong regarding the effectiveness of fetchers, it’s HM.
I listened to english commentary during the england series, and they couldn’t believe their luck that Brussouw was left out. It reminded me of the relieve you felt (as an opponent in SR) seeing John Smit included in the Sharks 15 in place of Bissie!
29 Aug 2012, 12:48 pm
@Tacitus-112: Why must Kirtchner be a stop gap- Heyneke should just play Lambie at fullback from now on. klaar.
29 Aug 2012, 12:48 pm
Thought it might have been an error, but both Sport24 and Keo have Daniel out of the side. The most worrying thing for me about this is Heyneke’s inconsistency with what he says to the press to justify his selections and what he does. His reasoning on not selecting Daniel to start against the Pumas was that they needed Floppy Potgieter’s physicality and that Daniel would be used against the Aussies faster game. What happens? Daniel gets dropped and Potgieter who is exceedingly average (even at Super Rugby and Currie Cup level) is still there. Essentially he’s lying to the player and the public. I am a mild fan of Daniel when a game opens up and believe he’s best as an impact player, but this strikes me as a bit offsides from the coach.
Perhaps Meyer believes Potgieter’s hair flying all over the place = effectiveness at the tackle. Also the dimwit has never learned how to pass at the Bulls. The genius of players like Read and McCaw and even Big Joe, Juan Smith etc is that while they could steamroll their opponents, they could also off-load in the tackle or even go for the gap instead of always trying to physically dominate guys who spend just as much time as you in the gym.
29 Aug 2012, 12:48 pm
@Transformation-108: MoM in first test against Wales…
Another Bok debutant in that clash, JDJ, scored one of the best breakaway stepping tries in recent history.
29 Aug 2012, 12:48 pm
Tacitus
How can you not have watched the game on Saturday
What were you doing
And then have nerve to come comment here.
29 Aug 2012, 12:49 pm
@Puma-109: Anyone from a 100km radius of Despatch is by definition a klipgooier
29 Aug 2012, 12:50 pm
Why was JJ dropped, he hasn’t put a foot wrong imo and didn’t play much.
I don’t like bashing players but Potgieter must be one of the luckiest players to ever become a Bok. And I don’t believe it is the so called blue tinted glasses that got him selected, Dewald Potgieter and Cj Stander are both much better players than him imo, whichever style you choose to play.
Heyneke has always backed some less talented players with great character and turned them into stars by giving them opportunities and backing them.
Richard Bands is a prime example, het was a retreated flank/hooker from the North West, also an older player like Potgieter, and Meyer turned him into a very decent tight head prop.
The international arena is unfortunately not the place developing below standard players. At the moment Potgieter belongs in the Currie Cup, not Superrugby and definitely not tests.
29 Aug 2012, 12:50 pm
@sharks_lover-89: would you say Puma is slandering a Bulls players when he says:
80.Puma:
29 Aug 2012, 12:31 pm @grant10-74: No just those two dropped. Damn shame for Keegan feel bad for him really. That useless Potgieter should have been dropped instead. Wish I never saw Morne’s name as well.
29 Aug 2012, 12:50 pm
@Dawn-120:
I was away for the weekend.
I recorded it. But after hearing of the result, couldn’t be bothered to sit through it. So I just skipped to Mallet’s rant after the game, which was quite entertaining, and then came straight here.
29 Aug 2012, 12:50 pm
1. Beast, 2. Burden, 3. Cilliers, 4. Etsebeth, 5. Kruger, 6. Flouw, 7. Alberts, 8. Coetzee, 9. Pienaar, 10. Goosen, 11. Habana, 12. FSteyn, 13. JDJ, 14. Hougaard, 15. Lambie
This can work. Vermeulen is a rhino!
29 Aug 2012, 12:50 pm
Puma @ 87.He could not possibly be that Machiavellian.
29 Aug 2012, 12:51 pm
@Stiff-arm-121: Okay get it….haha. Was funny to read it…lol.
29 Aug 2012, 12:51 pm
@Reserve Naartjie-118:
Read post 107. Answers the Daniel question brilliantly.
29 Aug 2012, 12:52 pm
@Atreides-110:
that possibly is the reason for the outbursts, however like i said its not justified if you look at how the two guys actually preformed when given their chance. Super rugby players even great ones can often not make the test step up. Daniels has been given a few chances and never left any impression. I agree with regards to oliver and spies, that is frustrating however sometimes a coach will have so much belief in the potential he sees that he will keep on trying. it happens in every team.
Keegan obviously does not inspire that in HM. if plum was bok coach he may of hot more chances to prove or not prove himself.
29 Aug 2012, 12:52 pm
@fantasticbarnsmell-81: not a bad move that
29 Aug 2012, 12:52 pm
“‘We were very keen to give Siya Kolisi an opportunity on this tour, but he is also out injured,”
Ja right Heineken
29 Aug 2012, 12:52 pm
@Tacitus-124:
I am sure you expected a victory over the rugby powerhouse Argentina, like every single Bok supporter on the planet.
A little suprised by the result, perhaps?
29 Aug 2012, 12:53 pm
I’m sorry? Do I hear the wailing of Sharks? Is it my imagination or are these wails becoming louder and louder (as well as more pitiful)?
You fellows really should have listened to those “whinging, unpatriotic and negative” anti-Bok Stormer supporters such as I
One thing about most Stormers fans: we have been consistent throughout in terms of criticism towards Meyer, his selections, his gameplan and his ‘vision’. The Sharks lot have been flip flopping like fish out of water – side to side, side to side – depending on how many Sharks are in the squad, or starting line up at the time. They loved Meyer, hater Meyer, loved Meyer and now it seems Meyer has really done it.
From the dizzying heights of June, to the lows of August – it’s been a bumpy ride for these Sharks groupies.
That said: Vermeulen and Goosen will surely play Currie Cup this weekend, with possible bench starts against Australia surely? Both Allistair and Naka have publically stated both players aren’t ready at this stage.
I also wonder which selector/s were involved in the apparent ‘disagreements’ that took place re: players…
HG and co are so confused now.
29 Aug 2012, 12:53 pm
Good now look at the game plan.
29 Aug 2012, 12:53 pm
@Dawn-131:
Look, he’s got to keep you ranting Cape Crusaders happy. I would also mouth off a few meaningless pleasantries to calm you folk down a tad.
29 Aug 2012, 12:53 pm
@Transformation-123: Yip sounds very much like I am.
Disappointed for Keegan. He has hardly been given a chance Transie. Nor has Lambie he has splinters on his backside by now.
Do you Rate Morne and Potgieter?
29 Aug 2012, 12:53 pm
Duane,
welcome to hell.
cane,
(formerly of Cockerville).
29 Aug 2012, 12:54 pm
@willievz-132:
Indeed I was. Now let’s see how the Aussies do over there.
29 Aug 2012, 12:54 pm
@Transformation-123:
Park it!
29 Aug 2012, 12:55 pm
@sharks_lover-89: F Louw is an out and out 6…wore the 7 jersey at Stormers but played the 6 role
29 Aug 2012, 12:55 pm
@Tacitus-135:
29 Aug 2012, 12:57 pm
@Dawn-141:
No one can ever approach the level of double speak that Jake the Snake White perfected while in charge of the Bok team.
On the Richter schale of spin, Heyneke is about a 1 compared to Jakey’s boy’s 11.
29 Aug 2012, 12:57 pm
@Tacitus-142:
Jakey boy’s 11.
29 Aug 2012, 12:58 pm
I’m glad for Vermullet, though. At least he’s got that ****** off his back now.
29 Aug 2012, 12:59 pm
@Tacitus-144:
Apparently you can’t say m onkey.
29 Aug 2012, 13:00 pm
@Spiesisworthless1-106: farken over the moon….
HM has surprised me today
in a farken good way!
29 Aug 2012, 13:00 pm
@Tacitus-124:
You didn’t miss much Tic Tac Toe.
It was like volley ball at the Para’s.
29 Aug 2012, 13:01 pm
@grant10-113: I would have those players starting too Grant. BUT they will not. So who will be on the bench?
Ruan
Goosen
JdJ
Doubt even Lambie will make it. Unless Goosen has been taken with to get ready for the home series. That could also be it. Lambie covers 3 positions so must be hard to leave him off the bench I suppose. However, if he is not going to get game time I would rather have him in the CC everytime than seeing him just sitting a full 80min on the bench. Go read McLooks blog article on Sports24. Down to the left side it sits. He has a great rugby brain. Really enjoy his articles. He makes more sense there than most I have read.
29 Aug 2012, 13:01 pm
i really do not understand why bakkies is not in this squad.
29 Aug 2012, 13:02 pm
@willievz-119: YUP! vivid in my memory like it was yesterday….recall smit getting the ball, shaping to kick, then thinking about it, flinging a pass that hook gobbled up?
danie rossouw threw a lekker offload for dewalt’s try!
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