Lions players chasing exit
29 Aug 2012
Prop Jacobie Adriaanse and lock Ruan Botha are the latest Lions players to confirm their departures at the end of the Currie Cup campaign.
Adriaanse will head to Europe, where he’ll join Welsh club Scarlets, while Botha will make a move to the Cape as he’s signed a deal with WP.
Adriaanse has been a big feature at tighthead prop for the Lions this season. Twenty-year-old Botha made his Super Rugby debut for the Lions and was part of the Baby Bok squad that won the Junior World Championship title in June.
Lock Paul Willemse (Blue Bulls) and prop Caylib Oosthuizen (Free State Cheetahs) have also announced their exits in recent weeks.
Most of the Lions’ key players have signed on until the end of 2013, which will keep them at the union until the South African Super Rugby promotion-relegation play-off against next year’s last-placed local franchise. However, Springbok hooker Bandies Maku, flyhalf Butch James and centre Waylon Murray do not feature in that group.
Of those contracted players, only flyhalf Elton Jantjies has a clause which allows him to feature for another Super Rugby team next season.
Lions players contracted until 2013 – JC Janse van Rensburg, CJ van der Linde, Callie Visagie, Pat Cilliers, Hendrik Roodt, Franco van der Merwe, Derick Minnie, Jaco Kriel, Michael Rhodes, Stephan Greeff, Josh Strauss, Warren Whiteley, Michael Bondesio, Ross Cronje, Whestley Moolman, Elton Jantjies (with contract clause), Guy Cronje, Jaco Taute, Alwyn Hollenbach, Lionel Mapoe, Dylan des Fountain, Bradley Moolman, Deon van Rensburg, Deon Helberg, Andries Coetzee, James Kamana.
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29 Aug 2012, 08:14 am
“Of those contracted players, only flyhalf Elton Jantjies has a clause which allows him to feature for another Super rugby team next season.”
Not only Jantjies… there is a few more.
Also I don’t think the Lions will make a fuss (well I hope not) if another union want a player to assist during their S15 campaign. Question is if a player gets in injured who will pay the bill.
29 Aug 2012, 08:18 am
Those contracts will mean sweet nothing when the union folds as per Dok Luyt.
29 Aug 2012, 08:19 am
Deon Helberg only signed recently as he was still playing for Tuks in the Carlton cup.
29 Aug 2012, 08:25 am
Where is Butch going?
29 Aug 2012, 08:29 am
As this is a Lions thread, I have this little somethin’ for katman:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKL9XRMp-iw&feature=related
29 Aug 2012, 08:30 am
So will the plan be to incorporate some of these players to other unions as loans during next years S15 ala NZ rugby – some of these players could certainly add to the struggling SA unions ????
29 Aug 2012, 08:31 am
Butch probably will head back to England …or even Japan.I don’t believe any other province can afford his wages or are willing to pay it.
29 Aug 2012, 08:40 am
thats the end of the lions then.
what a stupid and kak way for the administrators / exacs to handle this highly sensitive transition period for the lions. what a bunch of sweet farken dooses.
how educated are these moegoes? what sort of business training / acumen do they actually have? wht farken planet are these dooses from?
what is this ‘how to be a domdoos in business 101′..?…
this has gone beyond any point or hope of bitter acrimonius verbal argument slanging to find workable solutions stage…
its time for physical violence in the boardroom
people need to start hitting other people, and be hit
these execs need to be attacked on thier way out of the union offices
or accosted in public wherever
fark
i am sick to my stomach of this farken two bit doos operation
fark
fark
fark
29 Aug 2012, 08:40 am
@stew-6:
who farken knows stew
who farken knows
29 Aug 2012, 08:44 am
nothing is orderly
nothing is planned
no one is at the wheel
nobody’s home
i am banging the keyboard of my computer
i better stop
i just need to calm down
oh ***** help me i will lose it
29 Aug 2012, 08:47 am
@wnbb-7:
Butch aint going anywhere overseas.
His contract is up at the end of this year and he will either retire or look to play one further season somewhere locally.
My guess is he’ll try for a smaller contract with the Sharks as backup to Lambie for the 2013 S15.
Hes playing some great rugby right now so having him back in the ranks would be great.
29 Aug 2012, 08:48 am
im just so sick and tired of this i cant take this anymore i really cannot take this anymore
29 Aug 2012, 08:49 am
Lions should work out a loan system for there players. Loan them to the other unions but not to the Kings. Firstly there players will develop alot at the other Unions with a winning culture. If they go to the kings the kings wont have a winning culture and play the lions players into the ground, massive injury lost ect. But when it comes to the regulation battle game and all the lions players had relatively good seasons at the other unions (bulls, Sharks, Stormers, Cheetahs) they will smash the Kings in that game.
29 Aug 2012, 08:51 am
@John Galt-11: I heard Cilliers although under contract is wanting to go back to Durbs, Either by getting out of his contract if not on a loan basis just for SR then returning to the Lions for the CC.
The was however mentioned on E News that Jantjes could be heading to the Tank
29 Aug 2012, 08:51 am
why god why
why cant you make some of these executive dinsaur dooses jus farken die already
why msut we suffer like this
for how farken long
i am banging on the keybaord again
i lneed to calm down
i meed to drink so,e tea
29 Aug 2012, 08:51 am
@patch-13: Exactly patch, already talk of this in Durban,
29 Aug 2012, 08:59 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-10 Chillax my man. This is sadly to be expected and you cant really blame the players that are able to get out now… except Oosthuizen.. going to the BACKSTABBING Cheetahs…where he will be benched for the bulk of his time…idiot.
A phoenix can only rise from the ashes…this is the burning. KdK can do this and whatever the lack of merit in the odious Kings…the GLRU have needed a serious kicking for a loooong time now. I just hope they can survive the medicine! How can SA’s biggest City NOT have a S15 team??? SARU insanity… the viewer stats will show it and the weakened SANZAR negotiating position will confirm it.
29 Aug 2012, 09:00 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-15:
watch this bru, it will help calm you down some..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjedLeVGcfE
29 Aug 2012, 09:00 am
@sharks_lover-14:
Dont know whether Jaintjies would want to go to Durbs. Considering Plum has already voiced his decision to play Lambie exclusively at 10 next year.
Would have thought he’d choose the Bulls or Stormers.
29 Aug 2012, 09:04 am
Hang on, I thought that according to Keo, all of these Lions players would be going to the Kings once they got a Supre Rugby berth?
So what now for Cheeky’s royals?
29 Aug 2012, 09:13 am
@John Galt-19: Well on Enews the Sports journo the other evening mentioned that there is a possibillity of Jantjes either going to WP or Sharks, and it seemed more likely the SHarks, so yeah i hear ya but not sure. I would rather we had Butch as back up, the old fella is still playing good rugga.
Cilliers mentioned on twitter he is missing Durbs big time, lastly i also heard Taite could be on ,loan with the Sharks too for the Super 15, he and Cillier would have to return for the CC to the LIons obviously. guess we will have to wait and see
29 Aug 2012, 09:14 am
@Tacitus-20:
If they dont go and play for the Kings, a Vodacom Cup team will feature in the Super rugby Competition….!
29 Aug 2012, 09:14 am
@Tacitus-20: Those players wont go to the Kings, you might have a few that do, will the get called the lion king then??
29 Aug 2012, 09:14 am
@Tacitus-20: Dare I say it? Yup, I dare, the Lions are definitely going to be in the running for the Vodacom Cup next year, looks like a strong team…
29 Aug 2012, 09:15 am
Its been a huge problem for SA rugby over the last 15 years that all the good tightheads keep going overseas while the Boks have average 3s to choose from
29 Aug 2012, 09:17 am
@sharks_lover-21: Why would the Sharks be more likely? Playing behind Lambie? He’d be silly…. Remember the sharks already have Viljoen and Ludik at 15, so Lambie should feature at 10…
29 Aug 2012, 09:18 am
@Bok fan-25: Not much in the way of quality TH overseas also…seems to be a dying breed…
29 Aug 2012, 09:20 am
@patch-13: Surefire way to lose your players forever, look at the Cheetahs S15 team, at the beginning of the Season there are some Griquas players in the S15 team, start the Currie Cup, and all the Griquas wear Orange and white strip…strange eh what?
29 Aug 2012, 09:20 am
@thesaint-27:
Well, as long as they’re a dying breed for everyone, then no one is worse off, comparatively speaking.
But somehow it just seems that we are suffering particularly badly in this department.
29 Aug 2012, 09:21 am
@John Galt-19: I heard the same on the news the other day that Jantjies may be heading to the Sharks. Then have no idea where e-news get there info.
I personally hope it does not happen, as Lambie might be messed about again and shifted to fb. As Plum said this year Lambie is our 1st choice fh then he got injured and we had Fred go there. Next year want Lambie to start all games at fh. If we have Jantjies there then have no idea. Jantjies should be thinking of going to Stormers where he will get plenty game time. He will probably start every game. Would like Pat Cilliers to come back home to Sharks too.
29 Aug 2012, 09:22 am
@John Galt-11: If I am not mistaken, the Sharks move has already been confirmed earlier in the season…
29 Aug 2012, 09:22 am
@Tacitus-20: How can the Kings be competitive in next years S15 are we going to see scores of 100 – 0 everygame , are teams going to play a B side against the Kings as victory is gauranteed with 5 points …. this is a fiasco created by SA rugby and i cant see the other nations or TV being happy with this ….. I dont think this saga is over yet
29 Aug 2012, 09:23 am
@Tacitus-20: He was spotted with a shopping trolley at the Griffons Leopards game.
29 Aug 2012, 09:23 am
Anybody any ideas who will be in this team ?
29 Aug 2012, 09:24 am
@sharks_lover-21:
WOuld be great to have Cilliers back. Even if just for the S15 as he can cover both TH and LH.
Herbst needs one more season to develop as a TH methinks.
Ditto for Chadwick at LH.
Jaintjies, as well as he is playing…dont think it would be the best move for him.
29 Aug 2012, 09:24 am
@Rooibaard2000-17:
those people responsible (believe me they kno w who they are) should hang their heads in shame and live with themselves in digust.
i am sick to my stomach at what they are doing.
i would not have continued taking money for a job i am not good at and in fact just farking up. how can they not see their ineptness and understand they are in fact the problem?
i do hope the lions will survive this. i hope they will thrive in cc at the least but even this will become difficult if this exodus continues.
how will they plan for their relegation / promotion playoffs next season in terms of a squad which has played together long enough and is experienced in gametime as a team? will they plan at all?
@poppa69-18:
i dont know if i have the energy to laugh or cry with you this morning poppa.
i think my nerves or something are shot
29 Aug 2012, 09:24 am
@stew-32:
I’m not arguing with you on that.
29 Aug 2012, 09:24 am
@stew-32: 10 gift points to their 4 remaining teams..
at least we will all know without doubt which is the weakest conference I guess..
29 Aug 2012, 09:24 am
The Lions will be overwhelming favourites for the Vodacom cup next year.
29 Aug 2012, 09:26 am
So many rumours…who knows where these players will eventally end up.
Good career move by Ruaan Botha though to come to CT. He should get lots of game time with Bekker injured at least 50% of the time, Quinn Roux off to Ireland and Seenkamp nothing but a gentleman journeyman (like his brother at the bulls).
29 Aug 2012, 09:26 am
@Tacitus-29: I think that the looseheads are just becoming better, lots of TH shifting over, I was a TH myself, moved over to LH in Craven Week the Club rugby, much easier, less pressure on the back and neck…basically TH is a kuk position to play, lots of injuries to contend with, I honestly think, quality TH’s are playing loosehead at the moment, which is the reason that all TH looks so poor…this is true for the whole world I think…
29 Aug 2012, 09:27 am
@Tacitus-37:
Are there no rumours in the local PE press about players moving down there?
29 Aug 2012, 09:28 am
Part of a story on R365
“Luyt, who was head of Transvaal (now Lions) rugby from 1986 to 2000, was in fact very critical of his immediate successors and De Klerk’s predecessors – who cost the union in the region of R85-million in investments, set up by Luyt.
As this website had reported previously, the GLRU (previously Transvaal) had offshore investments worth R85-million and when Luyt suggested they bring the money back to SA – as he felt the market was about to turn – and reinvest that money at about 10 percent per annum, the GLRU bosses at the time stubbornly refused. By the time they did bring back the cash invested abroad, it had lost more than half its value – R45-million to be precise.
But it is how the media overlooked (or ignored) Luyt’s endorsement of De Klerk that caused the most amusement.
Asked if anybody at the Lions had phoned him, or asked for help, Luyt told Ballz radio that he has had “discussions” with De Klerk.
“He is a fantastic man, he is a great guy,” Luyt told the online station.”
29 Aug 2012, 09:28 am
@Robzim-40: Quin Roux will be playing S15 in the Cape, I understand his contract is the same as Grant’s in Japan, only plays abroad in the CC season…
29 Aug 2012, 09:29 am
@katman-33:
To me it’s not about the practicalities, contract issues, timeframes or any other constraint limiting the success of the Kings.
To me, the premise on which it is all based, is fundamentally flawed. There is no reason whatsoever why the Kings deserve participation in any competition any more than the Griffons or Griquas do.
This entire transformation argument is hogwash. Just like the rumoured 200,000 eager rugby players just waiting to stream forth from the Pondoland hills to make the Kings the powerhouse of world rugby.
29 Aug 2012, 09:31 am
@stew-32: I think it is a total mess. Will be very embarrassing seeing the kiwi sides getting 100 past them. Some of the saffa teams will too. Unless they have plenty money to be buying some overseas players. Doubt they have the money for that either.
29 Aug 2012, 09:31 am
@thesaint-44:
If that is so it will be very good news. Last time I heard Rob Wagner was “working on ensuring he will come back to CT” so hopefully they have sorted it.
29 Aug 2012, 09:31 am
how good do you have to be to fark up an already moerse fark up.
beggars belief.
29 Aug 2012, 09:32 am
@Robzim-42:
No idea.
The core of the Kings will be Afrikaans boytjies from Uitenhage and Despatch again, with a figurehead white Xhosa as captain, and his dad, Emperor Cheeky Palpatine pumping out transformation propaganda in the background.
Oh, and a couple of black wings and the odd black centre to add some colour to the sorry mess.
29 Aug 2012, 09:33 am
If a player in the PE Region was good enough, one of the Top Unions would have already picked him up, development was working albeit not in PE itself, but the Top players did get through, there is a reason that EP has never won the Currie Cup, even when the original Currie Cup was played with 6 teams aeons ago, they were kuk from the start, with one or two bright lights coming along now and then…
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