Lions players chasing exit

Lions players chasing exit

29 Aug 2012

Prop Jacobie Adriaanse and lock Ruan Botha are the latest Lions players to confirm their departures at the end of the Currie Cup campaign.

Adriaanse will head to Europe, where he’ll join Welsh club Scarlets, while Botha will make a move to the Cape as he’s signed a deal with WP.

Adriaanse has been a big feature at tighthead prop for the Lions this season. Twenty-year-old Botha made his Super Rugby debut for the Lions and was part of the Baby Bok squad that won the Junior World Championship title in June.

Lock Paul Willemse (Blue Bulls) and prop Caylib Oosthuizen (Free State Cheetahs) have also announced their exits in recent weeks.

Most of the Lions’ key players have signed on until the end of 2013, which will keep them at the union until the South African Super Rugby promotion-relegation play-off against next year’s last-placed local franchise. However, Springbok hooker Bandies Maku, flyhalf Butch James and centre Waylon Murray do not feature in that group.

Of those contracted players, only flyhalf Elton Jantjies has a clause which allows him to feature for another Super Rugby team next season.

Lions players contracted until 2013 – JC Janse van Rensburg, CJ van der Linde, Callie Visagie, Pat Cilliers, Hendrik Roodt, Franco van der Merwe, Derick Minnie, Jaco Kriel, Michael Rhodes, Stephan Greeff, Josh Strauss, Warren Whiteley, Michael Bondesio, Ross Cronje, Whestley Moolman, Elton Jantjies (with contract clause), Guy Cronje, Jaco Taute, Alwyn Hollenbach, Lionel Mapoe, Dylan des Fountain, Bradley Moolman, Deon van Rensburg, Deon Helberg, Andries Coetzee, James Kamana.


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  • 101.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 10:42 am

    On the Lonmin issue.

    I do find it interesting that all those thousands of workers from the Aurora mine which was so woefully mismanaged by the politically connected guys that own it, and who have been cheated out of millions of rands of wages, didn’t go on a panga wielding rampage to get their grievances addressed.

    Instead, we saw a number of suicides by miners who had lost their cars, houses and life savings, and couldn’t feed their children any longer as a result of Kulobuse fat arse raking in his ill gotten gains while ******** the workers that had made him his money.

    But no hacking to death of police officers or random rapes and murders of innocent bystanders.

    Now what could the difference be, I wonder…

  • 102.katman: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 10:45 am

    @Transformation-94: Seriously, are you going divvy up the company profits among the workers? In an ideal socialist world, that would work. But if you want to do that here, then you have to start with men like Christo Wiese and Whitey Basson, and get round to the likes of Lonmin on the third or fourth page of a very long list.

    And so you start paying rock drill operators for one mining company in the North-West Province over R19 500 a month (because that’s what it would cost for them to take home R12 500), and suddenly every labourer in every industry in SA with a union will want the same. Do you seriously think that’s tenable? Do you think a nett pay of R12 500 a month is in any way grounded in reality?

    Stick your emotions aside for a minute and think rationally. What does a Golden Arrow bus driver deserve per month? And a municipal refuse collector? How about the lady who dishes lunch at the parliament canteen? Or the cleaning ladies at your work? Or the guy who also drills rocks, but not for Lonmin?

  • 103.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 10:45 am

    @sharks_lover-92: so cyril as the “former freedom fighter” – actually he comes from a mining union background) has MORE responsibility than ANY of the other shareholders whose credentials and skin colour we don’t know?

    cyril should’ve been rattling sabers at board meetings i guess.

  • 104.Atlas: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 10:46 am

    Politics?
    cheers

  • 105.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 10:49 am

    @katman-102: no man, don’t be simplistic now…i am saying…it is CRIMINAL for the 3rd largest platinum mining company to be ignoring reports by NGOs and other interested groups!

    corporate social responsibility is also part of business and not only the bottom line, now all this socialist klaptrap you’re on about is *”strawman” nonsense :D

    *thank Tac

  • 106.sharks_lover: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 10:50 am

    @Transformation-103: MAte, dont get me wrong, I think Cyril is one of the smartest shrewdest business men in this country, but after having fought for so long against poor treatement and conditions etc, surely in any comapny he owns he would make sure of those wrongs?? Not So?

  • 107.sharks_lover: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 10:51 am

    @Atlas-104: Atually i normally walk away from these toppics and for the first time today got myself caught up in it, imma shut it outa my mind now :lol:

    Back to rugga

  • 108.katman: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 10:58 am

    @Transformation-105: Now you’re pretending the issue was about community CSI or the number of toilets per worker in the shared accommodation, but we all know it was about the take-home pay. That’s the only reason those 3 000 men were on that koppie.

    Actually, that’s not even entirely true, as many of those men weren’t even Lonmin employees, or mine workers, for that matter. They were co-opted into this mess to swell AMCU’s ranks in this criminal turf war for (very lucrative) union membership in which the cannon fodder was always going to be the poor miners.

    All those other issues you raise are true and valid, and Lonmin has a responsibility to rectify this immediately, but that’s not what created this mess.

  • 109.Dawn: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 11:02 am

    @katman-108:

    They weren’t employees?

  • 110.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 11:02 am

    @sharks_lover-92: His workers? Only Cyril’s workers? What are you implying Shark lover? What makes them more his, than the other shareholders workers? Please tell us exactly what you mean.

  • 111.Dawn: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 11:03 am

    OK then

    Then they all deserved to get shot in the back.

    And if indeed there was much “hacking to death of police officers or random rapes and murders of innocent bystanders” then they double deserved to be murdered.

  • 112.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 11:04 am

    @katman-108: no pretence, but your initial post about cheeky etc that involved the lonmin drillers was as equally oppotunistic and crass as this issue is multi-layered than just rockdrillers who want to go on the hog!

    i’m happy when facts are presented and not just empty emo rhetoric!

  • 113.David: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 11:06 am

    @sharks_lover-106:
    Cyril doesn’t own Lonmin, or anything near it. His company Shanduka owns 50% of a BEE company that owns 18% of 2 of Lonmins operations, and he’s only a non exec director since 2010. I’m not saying that he shouldn’t have done more, but his company is a minor player in a London based listed entity.

  • 114.Taahirah: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 11:07 am

    @Dawn-111: Common purpose doctrine

  • 115.Puma: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 11:09 am

    See on Sports24 that Andrew Struass the England cricket captain is about to step down.

    G. Smith does it again…..hehehe. 3 times now England have lost a captain after losing to us.

    Also has anyone heard the rumour about Frncois Venter and Jan Serfontein that may be called up to the Boks Squad?

  • 116.sharks_lover: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 11:09 am

    @rossoneri-110: Rossi you know full well thats not how it’s meant, ok workers of his and his co owner/shareholders

    better??

  • 117.Dawn: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 11:10 am

    @David-113:

    It’s easy to blame Cyril.

    For some people.

  • 118.sharks_lover: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 11:11 am

    @David-113: David i understand that, and I am not saying he is alone to blame, As i said i actually have a lot of respect for Cyril, I even paid good money a few years agot to attend a seminar he gave at the ICC center in Durban.

    But as a share holder and you buy into any company you surely look at these things?? not so??

  • 119.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 11:11 am

    @David-113: thanks for that…

    now i ask myself why last week and on the weekend most on this blog and some newspapers took their cue from julius malema in rubbishing cyril?

  • 120.Taahirah: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 11:11 am

    @David-113: Flow-through principle Shanduka thus owns 9%? Is Shanduka 100% held by Cyril?

  • 121.katman: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 11:12 am

    @Transformation-112: You’ll notice I presented at least 20 facts in three posts, all of which you’ve chosen to ignore. I can only lead you to the water.

    @Dawn-111: Most of them were Lonmin miners, but there were many employees of neighbouring mines there too, as well as unemployed members of the local community to swell the numbers. It seems AMCU went on a recruitment drive.

  • 122.sharks_lover: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 11:12 am

    @Puma-115: yeah saw it on twitter this morning from the Sun journo in the uk that posted it

  • 123.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 11:13 am

    @Dawn-111: @Taahirah-114: an injury to one is an injury to all…old school unionist slogans

    ask cyril :D

  • 124.Puma: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 11:14 am

    Well for once our Cricket is making us more proud than our rugby. We are now number one in all forms of the game.

    South Africa
    World number one Test Cricket
    World number one in 50 over cricket
    World number one in 20/20 cricket

    Now that is definitely someting us South Africans can be proud of.

    When will we EVER be number one in Rugby again. Doubt it this year and if Meyer continues with his super dumb game plan we might never be number one. Reading all the Aussie Rugby sites and they think they will beat us home and away. Gosh, we must be looking absolutely awful even to them who are woeful themselves. We could surprise them in Perth playing a more attacking game. Meyer needs to select the right fh and sh also fb if we want to do that though.

  • 125.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 11:17 am

    @Transformation-112: Great post. I noticed that facts go missing when people are pushing Agendas esspecially on the Kings issue.

  • 126.sharks_lover: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 11:18 am

    @David-113: DAVID TRUST ME I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT BECAUSE I WORKED FOR LOHNRO, this was before they became Lonmin,

    I lived in a town named MooiNooi, about 40 Km’s out side Rustenburg

  • 127.Dawn: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 11:18 am

    @Transformation-123:

    Sigh.

    You think I dont know that!

  • 128.Dawn: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 11:20 am

    Damn!

    No wonder the mine has such a legacy.

    Look who worked for them!

  • 129.viewer: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 11:20 am

    @115 – Do you have a link to that rumour because how can elton & lambie have been unused subs recently; JJ engelbrecht, potties & flip, juandre get game time whenever they don’t start; HM assures the public that morne will reverse his poor form the more he plays. Now apparently he’s taking two greenhorns on tour, to take who’s place (on the bench I assume) or they are going for the experience. How will this go down with the non-bulls & the public

  • 130.Puma: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 11:21 am

    @sharks_lover-122: So they lose another captain. See Cook will probably be their captain.

    Anyhow not too bothered about them. We riding high right now being number one in all forms of cricket. Loving it. For once it is Cricket that is making us proud and not our rugby.

  • 131.David: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 11:21 am

    @Taahirah-120:
    There are 6 groups of shareholders, according to their corporate site, one of which is the Ramaphosa family trust. It doesn’t mention percentages.

  • 132.katman: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 11:24 am

    @Puma-124: Plus we have 4 of the top 10 test batsmen (5 if you count KP), 3 of the top 10 test bowlers (including no 1 and 2), and 3 of the top 10 test all-rounders. Don’t think we’ve ever had a more golden era.

  • 133.David: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 11:24 am

    @sharks_lover-126:
    I know MooiNoi from when I was doing business with Lonmin. Used to enjoy the drive there until arriving at that dust bowl.

  • 134.sharks_lover: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 11:24 am

    @Puma-130: Yeah Pooms, very proud of our Boys, Amla is in another class, what a special talent

  • 135.Puma: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 11:25 am

    @viewer-129: Tank Lanning thinks they will be called up. Have no idea why either. Is one of our centres injured? Is that why we taking so long to announce our sqaud to tour oz and nz?

    Criminal not using Lambie, as Mclook said on his blog. Damn shame when we needed to up our game and there we had him just wasting away on the bench.

  • 136.katman: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 11:25 am

    @rossoneri-125: Rubbish, Rossi. I have given him nothing but facts on this issue, yet you fall for his two-line rhetoric. Just proves that people only hear what they want to hear.

  • 137.Puma: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 11:26 am

    @sharks_lover-134: Amla is magnificent. Making us really proud. What a awesome, awesome batsman. Must be the best in the world right now. Truely proud of him.

  • 138.Taahirah: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 11:26 am

    @David-131: Cyril, at best, thus is entitled to an insignificant minority share of the profits. His participation as a non-executive director is limited to attendance of and voting at quarterly board meetings. Why are we blaming him for this mess? Who are the executive directors? The majority shareholders?

  • 139.katman: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 11:27 am

    In the words of Juluka… Hashimbonanga!

  • 140.sharks_lover: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 11:27 am

    @David-133: :lol: MooiNooi,

    Well i was the Sports and golf club manager there in the late 80″s, best 9 hole course in the country,

    They even play a tournament there for the golf sunshine winter tour, Lotsa huge farms in the area too

  • 141.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 11:28 am

    @katman-136: I was referring to your cheap shots on the Kings.

  • 142.Sheriff: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 11:29 am

    They should change the heading ‘ Lonmin miners chasing cops’ or something

    WAT GAAN HIER AAN, HA?!! EK HET GESê HA?!!!

  • 143.Puma: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 11:29 am

    @katman-132: For sure. We in a absolute golden era right now in our cricket. So proud of our boys. Number one in all forms of the game and like you said plenty are best in the world as batsmen and bowlers. Really enjoying this cricket tour to England. Has been awesome for us.

  • 144.sharks_lover: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 11:30 am

    @katman-136: HAve you seen this?? how to piss off a frog?? damn funny

    youtube.com/watch?v=SeiJarwE99M&feature=player_embedded …

  • 145.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 11:31 am

    @Transformation-123:
    i really dont care or know enough about this to get involved.

    however, tac’s post on aurora is intersting transie, why no you comment on this?
    its no different to the lonmin tragedy and in fact has been far worse for the workers / victims involved.

  • 146.David: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 11:31 am

    @Taahirah-138:
    That’s the point I was originally making. He has a limited influence on compliance and regulatory issues but very little on management ones.

  • 147.sharks_lover: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 11:32 am

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeiJarwE99M&feature=player_embedded …

  • 148.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 11:32 am

    and thats my two cents.

    i’m done.

  • 149.David: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 11:34 am

    @Puma-143:
    The real hero in this is Kirsten. He’s now taken two teams to number one.

  • 150.katman: Reply to this comment
    29 Aug 2012, 11:35 am

    @rossoneri-141: Cheap shots? Give me a break. Read my post no 72. Filled with facts, once again. Just because these facts happen to expose a morally corrupt “rugby” organisation doesn’t automatically make them cheap shots.

    Why don’t you rather single out the facts I’ve mentioned that you don’t agree with, instead of lumping them all into the baseless cheap shots basket? Because that’s just lazy and ineffective.

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