Boks’ response must speak loudest
30 Aug 2012
Springbok captain Jean de Villiers said they had to be accountable for their poor showing in Mendoza and said that accountability must be exhibited through their forthcoming performances.
The Springboks produced their most woeful effort under coach Heyneke Meyer to date, stuttering to a 16-16 draw in the second Test of their Rugby Championship campaign last week.
They have subsequently taken lots of heat from the South African public and media and are under immense pressure to improve in the Tests that remain, their next assignment coming in Perth against Australia next Saturday.
De Villiers stressed the importance of identification and elimination of the errors they’ve made and called for a significant improvement.
‘We need to learn from our experiences, and we’re growing as a team, but you can’t keep making the same mistakes,’ De Villiers said at Orlando Stadium in Soweto on Thursday.
‘By Saturday next week we will know if we’ve stepped up or not. We’re building as a team. Our discipline needs to improve, our execution, and our set-phases have taken a step backward. We maybe need to improve 40 percent but the margins are very small in Test rugby.’
De Villiers added time had healed some of the wounds of that result and allowed them to gain a measure of perspective on it. He also refused to completely accept that their attacking play, which was a point of great criticism for its sterility, was fundamentally flawed.
‘We’ve put that game behind us. Looking at the game again I feel better about it,’ he said. ‘There were actually a lot of positives from the game. We believe we were a better team than how we played on Saturday. Even though there has been a lot of criticism of our attacking play, I thought that was actually quite good. The attack was quite good at times.’
Meyer’s game plan is widely perceived to be conservative and has been the central focus of his detractors’ vitriol. He needs it to come together against the Wallabies or face deepening and more scathing criticism thereof. While De Villiers accepted that they deserved to be questioned for their execution of that game plan, he, however, gave it the vote of confidence on behalf of the squad.
‘It’s a new coach trying to get a message and game plan across to the team,’ he said. ‘We will all stand up for what we believe in. We believe in the coach and what we’re doing is right.’
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31 Aug 2012, 11:42 am
@John Galt-95: true bud, i am simply frustrated as he is in the form of his life and would be an awesome option for the boks.
31 Aug 2012, 11:46 am
@gunther-88:
well
we do need a hard edge
in fact we need a hard on of a hard edge in the engine
we need to really teach these naughty anzacs and cheeky argies that breakdown / ruck artistic license interpretations are just not on.
31 Aug 2012, 11:48 am
Indeed Bakkies.
A Ron Jeremy style fisting is called for,
But with less warmth.
31 Aug 2012, 11:48 am
@Jeez-92: the issue is not even a plan B but the application of even the credible plan A is naive and predictable….it took stuart lancaster and his greenhorns 2 games to figure us out and they bested us and it took argentina (and graham henry) 1 game and the found us out and bested us.
everything we do is telegraphed which brings me back to something mallett said in MAY before the English series:
“That is the only thing I’m slightly worried about with the Heyneke regime – his mantra is execution above innovation,” Mallett told reporters in Johannesburg on Wednesday.
“So he is not looking for innovative players, he’s looking for people who execute well.
“If we are going to do a move that will take the centre into the midfield, we are going to do it so well, at such pace, that it doesn’t matter if the opposition know about it – we will get across the advantage line and we will dominate that impact zone.”
the last bit of this statement is what we’ve seen over the past 5 games and most analysts around the world are lamenting that we’re predictable and actually arrogant or naive in that we think we can still “force out gameplan” on EVERY international side when the prudent thing is to be smarter in applying our physicality
we’re like sumo wrestlers who reckon we can crush every kung-fu fighter
31 Aug 2012, 11:49 am
@rangerman-101:
Yep, that much is very true.
31 Aug 2012, 11:56 am
@gunther-100: @rangerman-93: i must say he has calmed down, i don’t know if i can attribute it to the package i gave to JR meant for Gunther that never arrived…
31 Aug 2012, 11:57 am
@John Galt-105: cheers.
@gunther-100: not long i fear.
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-96: ja look i dont mind a coach who punishes poor performance but keegs has been badly treated imo and lambie should have had a run by now though he may still be off the pace and therefore meyer is holding him back a bit?
as for jj, i dont even know why he was there really, same goes for mulletgieter.
31 Aug 2012, 11:58 am
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I realise the Saffa internet is still stuck in the 90′s, but if you can download, do it.
G
31 Aug 2012, 11:58 am
@Transformation-106: haha, its too early to call but if indeed it was the package, please send another one sharpish
31 Aug 2012, 11:59 am
@gunther-100: Why do you fellows all pick out this Grant10 chap for possible meltdowns?
Just asking, because he seems helluva objective about all things rugby, and a pretty cool dude. I haven’t seem him do any melting. (He actually seems to be one of the more balanced round here….)
31 Aug 2012, 12:00 pm
@Gtown-108: the internet access is not bad in sa, its simply too expensive.
thats why crackberry will survive in developing countries like sa for far longer than the rest of the world.
31 Aug 2012, 12:01 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-96: This is exactly the problem i have, you might think i have now become this huge anto HM, I have not i still think he is a very good coach and his track record proves that,
BUt i Agree 100% with you when it comes to his man management. He is a good coach though as long as he has certain players available to him, and thats what i have realised.
He knew he was setting Daniel up to fail, He knew full well Daniel is not a skop and jad bash it type of loosie, so why call him up?? to prove the public wrong and say i told you so????
LAmbie is a 10 and it was the Boks that mostly played him at 15, Yes this year PLum chose Lambie at 15 too because at that time Freddy was on fire and Ludik and Viljoen had not been playing well, so Lambie to 15 so had both Freddy and LAmbie on the field of play.
After that Ludik specially found great form and as you have seen lately Viljoen at 10 have a good CC so far.
Again my dissapointment in HM is not given LAmbie a chance to get some game time at 10 or even 15 in both tests where one can look at 2 situations.
1st test against the Puma’s we were far ahead, why not then give Lambie some game time, rest the MIghty MOrne???? in the last 15??
2nd situation is the 2nd test against the Puma’s,MOrne playing very poorly as was the whole bok team, we clearly saw the Puma’s had done their homework as we played only 1 way, easy to read and defend against.
Again he could have pulled Lambie onto the field to change the game plan and maybe keep more ball in hand and drive up through the middle and try striking out wide etc, instead again Lambie had to sit and glare and a situation he probably knew he could help change.
My problem here again is where i agree with you re the man management, why not let Lambie and a few others play for their provinces this weekend to get game time??
So yeah this is where i see HM does not play the game plans available with the talent he has, he rather dictates his style and thats how its gonna stay, problem here is a lot of players are gonna be trashed by supporters when in fact they are great players, they just have a coach with poor vision, thats to scared to take a risk.
31 Aug 2012, 12:02 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-110: haha, you cant stay away for four years and then ask us why we make comments like we do ruckles.
believe me, sh i t got real round these here parts for quite a long time.
in fact gwantie is the reason for your nick though you dont even know it. such are the wonders of the keoverse.
31 Aug 2012, 12:02 pm
@Gtown-108: Thanks! Sounds incredible! I will check it out soonest. Must say, our internet service isn’t as fuckedup as what many think
It should be able to handle this – bloody hope so at least.
31 Aug 2012, 12:03 pm
Maybe we are panicking a bit too much about the last game. The argies have a very good home record against all the bigs teams, beat france, beat oz, drew to abs and now drew to the Boks.
Maybe the Boks need to get over it and forget it and rather concentrate on our strengths, coz there alot of strengths in this Bok team.
31 Aug 2012, 12:05 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-110: hahahahhahahahahahahaha they’re hoping grant loses it, they get no joy out a serene grantie
31 Aug 2012, 12:06 pm
@John Galt-105: @rangerman-107: Just a slight dissagreement i have re KAnko.
If you see a player in poor form always being chosen ahead of you surely with time you will think whats the point??? and as the situation arose he got an offer for big money, what was his option??
Lets take a break and earn big bucks?? or do i continue to get frustrated by being a splinter @ss???
Thus his choice was simple, go make the money as it’s only a 6 months contract anyhows, he will be back at the Sharks for SR.
Oh i know HM now in hind sight says he would have selected Kanko??? you guys truelly believe that???
I for one do not, Yes maybe now that Spies got injured, if not trust me spies would have been playing in the starting 15 poor form or not
31 Aug 2012, 12:07 pm
@rangerman-113: But he seems stable? Just saying….He hasn’t gone Papal from what I can see. Find it hard to imagine a seemingly balanced fellow like him (well his posts that I have read at least…) losing it.
Now, there is a chap called, “blitzbok” who is absolutelyfuckingderanged and melts down in every post he makes…Spectacularly.
31 Aug 2012, 12:07 pm
@Transformation-104: In that case, a plan b is needed and the plan a should be scrapped all together!
How many games will it take for HM to realize this?? Hopefully not too many.
He can be innovative if he wants to be… He showed some innovation when he appointed Todd Louden and it resulted in the bulls ending up being a good attacking team.
Lets hope he can adapt the game plan and evolve with the playing styles that CAN make the boks effective on attack.
‘Playing to our strengths’ is an old excuse, what are our strengths exactly? It should be that we have more than enough talent to adapt any modern game plan to be a successful and dominating team like the ABs…
31 Aug 2012, 12:08 pm
@Gtown-108: wanna share the link mate????
31 Aug 2012, 12:08 pm
Imo the boks dont have any traditional strengths anymore. Not in the modern game…
31 Aug 2012, 12:09 pm
@Jeez-121: exactly, they have to move out of Jan Van Reebecks times
31 Aug 2012, 12:10 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-118: Bring back smitty and see Grant change to the unknown
31 Aug 2012, 12:11 pm
‘It’s a new coach trying to get a message and game plan across to the team,’ he said. ‘We will all stand up for what we believe in. We believe in the coach and what we’re doing is right.’
Well now…………………………….. Sweet Jean de Villiers would say that wouldn’t he. What else can he say.
31 Aug 2012, 12:11 pm
Ok lunch time, time for some Sushi … Take care all, catch up laters
31 Aug 2012, 12:13 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-114:
Hi Doc.
31 Aug 2012, 12:13 pm
@cane-124: Cane remember at the moment to most Stormers dismay the Stormers play a simular style, thus JDV will fit in, problem is Sharks, Lions and Cheetahs players do not play that way.
31 Aug 2012, 12:16 pm
@sharks_lover-120: Here it is. I’ve just registered.
https://acrossthetasman.com/forum.php
@cane-126:
31 Aug 2012, 12:16 pm
@Jeez-119: no, i disagree slightly, i don’t think meyer should abandon this “direct gameplan”, we just need to be smart about it…
we know we have a killer right hook but winding it up and showing the opponent that the right hook is coming is not smart rugby and in as much as meyer can blame the players for the breakdown application, the problem is borne out of the fact that teams KNOW a one-off runner is coming eg marcell, alberts and they set up their defence accordingly to smash, pickpocket and stymie our ruck ball.
did you see the argie forwards running decoy lines? did you see them offload off the tackle…it is PHYSICAL rugby but it is coupled with guile!
31 Aug 2012, 12:19 pm
It’s useless pointing to the One & Only time the Boks managed to impose their game plan (vs England) on the opposition when it took teams just a handful of games to figure out what we’re all about.
31 Aug 2012, 12:21 pm
@rangerman-111: That, my friend, is exactly the point!! 10 meg linbe with unlimited download isa R6000 a month! i get the same in London for R350… It’s a an abomination and one of the stipulations I have for moving back is they gotta sort that **** out!
31 Aug 2012, 12:21 pm
@Transformation-106:
I take it you’re talking about G10.
No wonder he appears so relaxed since his comeback
Good to have his opinion on here again though.
31 Aug 2012, 12:23 pm
@Transformation-129: I’d say the advisory and review process conducted by Graham Henry has been successful.
31 Aug 2012, 12:23 pm
@sharks_lover-120:
https://acrossthetasman.com/forum.php
31 Aug 2012, 12:24 pm
@Gtown-131: its complete and utter bs mate i agree.
i blame iguvverment.
useless ifuckers.
31 Aug 2012, 12:24 pm
Whether or not it’s JRs package that’s calming Gwantie down is another story.
Once a volcano erupts once it’s liable to do so again.
Just ask Poep.
31 Aug 2012, 12:24 pm
@cane-124:
The same thing he said during the Stormers’ Super campaign.
Can’t fool me twice.
31 Aug 2012, 12:25 pm
@sharks_lover-127:
The problem against Arg, was simply the Boks tried to attack them (arg) at their strongest point. The Forwards……………………………. with pick and go’s.
It was like head butting a brick wall.
You go around brick walls…………………………..not through them.
31 Aug 2012, 12:26 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-128: there it is already
and k0staz is also worth supporting if you want v good quality live feeds.
31 Aug 2012, 12:27 pm
@Transformation-116: thats also utter bs transie and you know it.
gwantie simply gets painful when he repeats himself endlessly.
watch, the next 200 posts of his will be about flouw this, flouw that, fetcher blah blah blah.
the repetition is indicative of a one track mind.
anyways, bygones.
hope everyone has a cracker weekend.
tjorts.
31 Aug 2012, 12:31 pm
@jacquesknotter-91: You joking right ?
31 Aug 2012, 12:32 pm
@wpstormerbok-132: yes, G10 calmer than a west indian fisherman..
@willievz-133: yup…ted’s fingerprints all over their game…will he oversee the undoing of his beloved blacks?
31 Aug 2012, 12:35 pm
@wpstormerbok-137:
We don’t get fooled again
Don’t get fooled again
No, no!
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss
(pete t.)
31 Aug 2012, 12:35 pm
fArKIN cAPS
31 Aug 2012, 12:36 pm
@cane-138: LMAO, Heineken reminds me of BrickTop from Snatch “Thinking can get you into a lot trouble Errol, i shouldn’t do to much of it.”. Its as plain as day that the players are being coached to act in a matter that is counter-instinctive.
31 Aug 2012, 12:36 pm
@cane-143:
Rather chop off a septic hand now then wait til it worsens to the point that you have to remove the whole arm.
31 Aug 2012, 12:38 pm
@Transformation-142:
Next weekend in Wellington we will smack the Argy Bargies by 25 points. (They never seem to travel well).
However…………………………the return match in Argentina, could be a different story all together.
31 Aug 2012, 12:40 pm
@Gtown-139: Cheers.
I hope a few more South African citizens sign up. I’m probably the only soul on the site with the word ‘Stormer’ in my username. Looks like a really cool setup! Thanks again for the info.
@BokkeYouBeauties-145:
Classic….
31 Aug 2012, 12:40 pm
hello everyone, i was just checking what apps people use here to get live updates on rugby games? if it has push notifications that would be perfect…
31 Aug 2012, 12:42 pm
@Transformation-104: You are unkind to all sumo wrestlers comparing them to the Boks – even sumo does not just rely on pure brute strength, but also a lot of technique
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