Boks’ response must speak loudest
30 Aug 2012
Springbok captain Jean de Villiers said they had to be accountable for their poor showing in Mendoza and said that accountability must be exhibited through their forthcoming performances.
The Springboks produced their most woeful effort under coach Heyneke Meyer to date, stuttering to a 16-16 draw in the second Test of their Rugby Championship campaign last week.
They have subsequently taken lots of heat from the South African public and media and are under immense pressure to improve in the Tests that remain, their next assignment coming in Perth against Australia next Saturday.
De Villiers stressed the importance of identification and elimination of the errors they’ve made and called for a significant improvement.
‘We need to learn from our experiences, and we’re growing as a team, but you can’t keep making the same mistakes,’ De Villiers said at Orlando Stadium in Soweto on Thursday.
‘By Saturday next week we will know if we’ve stepped up or not. We’re building as a team. Our discipline needs to improve, our execution, and our set-phases have taken a step backward. We maybe need to improve 40 percent but the margins are very small in Test rugby.’
De Villiers added time had healed some of the wounds of that result and allowed them to gain a measure of perspective on it. He also refused to completely accept that their attacking play, which was a point of great criticism for its sterility, was fundamentally flawed.
‘We’ve put that game behind us. Looking at the game again I feel better about it,’ he said. ‘There were actually a lot of positives from the game. We believe we were a better team than how we played on Saturday. Even though there has been a lot of criticism of our attacking play, I thought that was actually quite good. The attack was quite good at times.’
Meyer’s game plan is widely perceived to be conservative and has been the central focus of his detractors’ vitriol. He needs it to come together against the Wallabies or face deepening and more scathing criticism thereof. While De Villiers accepted that they deserved to be questioned for their execution of that game plan, he, however, gave it the vote of confidence on behalf of the squad.
‘It’s a new coach trying to get a message and game plan across to the team,’ he said. ‘We will all stand up for what we believe in. We believe in the coach and what we’re doing is right.’
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31 Aug 2012, 13:46 pm
i think i hate the lions executive as much as i hate the crusaders, right now.
31 Aug 2012, 13:48 pm
@Transformation-158: they actually tried to get Hayman back, offered him a farm etc.
31 Aug 2012, 13:48 pm
@poppa69-195: She played a huge role in the Poms WC win in 2003 and ours in 2007. I know for a fact Bryan Habana stopped working with her, and shortly afterwards his form went south…. He started working with her again, and his form picked up.
He admits this quite frankly.
She and her ‘eyegym’ program, are wayyyyyyyyyy underrated. You want some interesting reading, visit her website, fascinating stuff.
What I reckon we need in SA rugby, is a ‘skills’and ‘creativity’ consultant. Someone who can initiate some sort of ‘thinking out of the box’ programs from our junior levels up. Someone who is NOT South African
Someone with experience in rugby league possibly. We are at a disadvantage in SA, because we don’t do the league thing here. To me, your kids are fortunate to have that influence from a young age.
If I were in charge of SA rugby I would contract a panel of experts to work on skill, creativity and ‘playing the situation’: League coaches from Aus and Kiwi, WAYNE SMITH – special consulatant,Cheryl – hell anyone who could add value.
31 Aug 2012, 13:52 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-203: agree on habs, I noticed it too…
touch rugby is the answer… in NZ and Aus kids as young as 5-6 are playing in organised comps… teaches them how to run into space etc…
31 Aug 2012, 13:52 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-203:
i would support namibia before i would have anything to do with a wayne smith involved springbok team.
31 Aug 2012, 13:54 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-203:
have a look at this
http://www.touchnz.co.nz/index.php?id=5
31 Aug 2012, 14:00 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-197:
Here is a little surprise for you Bakkies,
I’ve seen the NZRFU file on “Suzie”.
Official File Name…………………………………..I cannot give you it’s number. But it’s code is “The Whoore of Babylon”
Still “classified” as “Under wraps”.
But the conspiracy is there for all to see. Motive. Planning. Execution.
31 Aug 2012, 14:01 pm
@Transformation-171:
I only found out about it here on Keo, when it was public knowledge.
I would never have allowed it
31 Aug 2012, 14:01 pm
@cane-207: off topic, but youtube “Konflikt – come home.”
Kia kaha
31 Aug 2012, 14:03 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-203: “What I reckon we need in SA rugby, is a ‘skills’and ‘creativity’ consultant.”
I agree, but I think we need to implement this approach bottom-up rather than top-down.
We should take a leaf out of the Silver Fern, and transform our junior systems so that it is size against size rather than age against age.
31 Aug 2012, 14:04 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-205: Come now Bakkies. I would happily welcome the ghost of Saddam Hussein to the Bok coaching team if that ghost could add something of extreme value.
@poppa69-206: Unreal. Looks incredible. (Nice to see the girls also taking part!) And therein lies the difference between Kiwi kids and ours.
Our juniors (and their parents and coaches) focus on a few things: getting big, being the strongest, and kicking the furthest.
The little kids are usually ignored and many don’t bother even pitching up for rugby in primary schools.
In fact, most primary school coaches in SA (IMHO) find the biggest 15 kids out of the group of hopefuls, and that is team selection sorted.
This utter bull sh y te about “playing rugby the Bok way” knocks out half the young kids who want to play before they have even touched a ball.
31 Aug 2012, 14:06 pm
@willievz-210: 100% Correct. I don’t know why South African’s are so scared of change, thinking out of the box and challenging the norms.
As I have said before, our National Psyche is fuckedbeyondbelief.
31 Aug 2012, 14:07 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-205: HAHAHAHAHAHA
wayne smith would bring a MASSIVE amount of skills & analyses 
31 Aug 2012, 14:07 pm
@Big Hit-202:
NO………….They showed Carl a farm he COULD buy.
…………………………………………………….With his earnings.
End of.
We don’t need Carl……………………………………………………and it seems Carl, don’t need us.
The end of a perfect story.
31 Aug 2012, 14:07 pm
@cane-207:
where’s your evidence? the 95 wc was a once in a lifetime miraculous event boet.
you cant script or plan that sort of thing, struth.
the people of the world wanted that victory more than the people of south africa or the boks wanted it…. and… against all odds… they (the boks) delivered it.
dont make me open the file on 2011.
31 Aug 2012, 14:10 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-215: it looked pretty scripted in Invictus. I still remember the scene whereby Madiba states quite emphatically that “we have to win this”
the way one of his top aides quickly sped out of the room looked extremely suspicious
ever heard of an “executive decision” ?
31 Aug 2012, 14:11 pm
@Transformation-213: And that pensioner, Sir Henry.
Another guy we should bring in an analyst capacity at the very least is the former French utility back Thomas Castaignede.
31 Aug 2012, 14:11 pm
@Transformation-213:
hehehe
i bet you’d even call for a change of the springbok kit if he were involved.
bring him to the kings
go on
you have the money
31 Aug 2012, 14:13 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-212: Sorry, I am ranting now.
In SA, young kids grow up idolising and wanting to be like Morne Steyn….
In NZ, young kids grow up idolising and wanting to be like Dan Carter…..
In SA, school coaches want their teams to physically fuckup the opposition….
In NZ, school coaches want their teams to actually WIN the games…..and score tries in the process…..
This is why Meyer’s appointment p # ssed me off from the getgo. Another generation of kids wanting to play like their Bok heroes….(I wish our kids would start idolising a few Kiwi and Aussie playmakers, mindset shift of note that would be)
That’s me finished ranting. Maybe. Hopefully.
31 Aug 2012, 14:16 pm
@poppa69-216:
31 Aug 2012, 14:16 pm
I’m not holding my breath.
31 Aug 2012, 14:17 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-219: You are not only ranting, but ranting to yourself by replying on your own post
But seriously, I agree. We are scared to cross the Rubicon, and accept mediocrity too easily. Just look at our coaching staff as a case in point. Meyer is world-class, but the rest?
I mean, we are the SPRINGBOKS for goodness sake.
31 Aug 2012, 14:19 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-219: Rant on mate!
You have good reason to. I too am totally fed-up with this daft approach.
31 Aug 2012, 14:19 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-215:
Exactly Bakkies……………………………………………………the whole caboodle was orchestrated so that SA would win……………………………………………………..Whatever it took.
I agree with you 100%.
The 95 RWC was organised, orchestrated…………………………………fixed.
31 Aug 2012, 14:19 pm
Amla making it look too farken easy
31 Aug 2012, 14:20 pm
STORIE IS VERDAG
EK DINK Heyneke Meyer lieg as hy sê hy sou Siya Kolisi gekies het vir die Springbok-groep wat môre op die toer van Australasië vertrek.
Noudat Kolisi beseer is, is dit maklik vir hom om te sê hy sou hom saamgevat het.
Wat hy egter die laaste ruk gedoen het, sê vir my hy sou beslis nié ’n ou soos Siya gekies het nie.
Vir my maak dit net nie sin nie. Toe Siya op peil was en goed gespeel het, het hy hom nie kans gegee nie.
Noudat die man egter beseer is, sê hy maar net so omdat hy soos ’n gentleman wil klink.
Meyer het in ’n paar games gewys daar is nie plek in wêreldrugby vir die soort rugby wat hý wil hê sy span moet speel nie.
Hy het ’n paar jaar gelede sukses by die Bulls behaal met dié manier waarop hulle gespeel het.
Hulle was baie gelukkig om laas week teen Argentinië gelykop te speel en moes eintlik die toets verloor het.
Dis ’n sad dag as Argentinië beter vertoon as ons.
En ek sê weer, Suid-Afrika kan homself baie gelukkig ag om teen Argentinië te draw.
Heyneke moet die volle verantwoordelikheid vat, want hy was aan die stuur van daai skip.
Daar was in die laaste paar maande groot kritiek oor Morné Steyn, maar Meyer het steeds met hom volhard.
Steyn is té wisselvallig in sy vertonings. Tans speel hy een goeie game uit vyf. Hy het ons tot ’n sekere mate die game teen Argentinië gekos.
Die sad reality is dat Elton Jantjies in die reeks teen Engeland die nr.?2-losskakel in die groep was. Steyn het toe pateties gespeel.
Jantjies was op die bank, maar Meyer het geweier om Jantjies op te stuur. Nou kom Johan Goosen terug, wat meer as drie maande laas gespeel het. En Elton is skielik heeltemal uit die groep.
Watter boodskap word daar nou aan Jantjies gestuur, wat in my opinie die top-losskakel in die land is?
Dié mannetjie speel goed. Hy is vol selfvertroue. Meyer moes hom lankal ’n kans gegee het.
Pierre Spies was vir ’n lang tyd nie op peil nie, maar hy het met hom ook volhard.
Keegan Daniel en selfs Willem Alberts het laas week nie die mas op agtsteman opgekom nie.
Dit lyk dus vir my asof sekere spelers net meer geleenthede as andere kry.
As Meyer in vanjaar se Kampioenskapsreeks wil vorder, móét hy Steyn nóú drop. Hy moet Goosen nóú laat speel.
Ek weet ook nie waar Patrick Lambie inpas nie, want dit is ook duidelik Lambie is nie next in line op flyhalf nie. Hy moet besluit waar hy Lambie gaan aanwend.
Is hy ’n flyhalf, ’n senter of ’n heelagter? Is Francois Hougaard ’n skrumskakel of ’n vleuel? Geen wonder die spelers is confused en sukkel om Meyer se verouderde game plan uit te voer nie.
Rugbygroete, Ashwin
Volg my op Twitter by @Ashwinwillemse.
31 Aug 2012, 14:20 pm
@poppa69-216: I have a few issues with Invictus, but my biggest one is the fact that they left out the fight against the Canucks
If it wasn’t for that fight, there would have been no Chester.
31 Aug 2012, 14:20 pm
@cane-224: i think the term is “rigged”
courtesy of our very own JJ Walker, Mr. Dy No mite, HG
31 Aug 2012, 14:21 pm
Indeed Pops.
He is a legend. No wonder Sonny Bill idolises him.
31 Aug 2012, 14:23 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-218:
SA needed a coach with a novel approach, not another ignorant vaaljapie!
Unfortunately I do not believe there is anyone in SA who fit the bill. Therefore it had to be an overseas coach.
Now we are stuck with another arrogant fool.
31 Aug 2012, 14:23 pm
@adi-226:
S true
31 Aug 2012, 14:23 pm
@adi-226:
Sorry adi,
i didn’t understand a word of that.
(do you understand a word of this).
31 Aug 2012, 14:24 pm
@willievz-227: I too was disappointed with the movie..they could have used real footage from the tourny for example..
31 Aug 2012, 14:25 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-218: you are just scared that he’s actually apply things like this:
“Every move in the game should involve hiding and holding players. Holding players run strong decoy lines to commit defenders and stop them sliding off. Hiding players look like they are not interested, run as if they aren’t getting the ball then strike like cheetahs (or, like springboks escaping cheetahs!)
In contrast, the Pumas were smart, had a clear tactic to get gain line through driving line outs or through forward runners shifting the point of attack using linking passes. You could tell that Graham Henry is already advancing their coaching”
and your homogeneous mind can’t deal with the thought
31 Aug 2012, 14:25 pm
@cane-232:
Filthy Nikita lover
31 Aug 2012, 14:25 pm
@fantasticbarnsmell-149: rugby nut is my go too…
31 Aug 2012, 14:27 pm
@gunther-229: definitely the form batsman in the world at the moment..
31 Aug 2012, 14:27 pm
@adi-226: the GLOVES seem off for Heyneke there at SUPERSPORT! hahahaha
31 Aug 2012, 14:29 pm
@willievz-222: So I’ve lost the plot as well in the process
Oh dear. Meltdown.
I just get p # ssed off, we deserve better. (Or…maybe we are getting exactly what we deserve – arghhhhhhhhh)
31 Aug 2012, 14:29 pm
@gunther-229: What did SBW say about Amla?
31 Aug 2012, 14:29 pm
@Transformation-238:
Eshwin is right though
31 Aug 2012, 14:31 pm
@Transformation-234: Sounds to me like some obstruction….
Similar to “smart loitering” around the ruck
31 Aug 2012, 14:32 pm
@willievz-240:
Sonny Bill spent a lot of time around him when we were touring NZ earlier this year.
Finds Hash very inspirational as a Muslim and a sportsman.
He’s a massive fan.
31 Aug 2012, 14:35 pm
@willievz-242:
And blocking would be tacklers hollowing up kicks.
In fact I’m sure it’s a typo and that he menu holding players and not hiding them.
31 Aug 2012, 14:35 pm
@gunther-221: Just for you. Another rant has been scheduled for 14:45….. Computicket are responsible for ticket sales.
Nah, onto something positive. Amla
31 Aug 2012, 14:35 pm
@willievz-240: he went to the Proteas dressing room in kiwiland to ask for snap with Hash…
31 Aug 2012, 14:37 pm
@willievz-242: well he was lamenting that the current bok way of playing is detectable from Mars hence it is easy to snuff…
31 Aug 2012, 14:39 pm
@Transformation-238: I see in Die Burger this morning (front page I’ll have you know0…..that Supersport’s presenters were told that they can criticise Meyer, but that the criticism should be delivered to Meyer ‘personally’.
31 Aug 2012, 14:39 pm
@Transformation-246:
“snap with hash”
Is that a new drug?
31 Aug 2012, 14:39 pm
I proffer this as evidence of what Smith means..
notice no defender is impeded, but highlights exactly what he is referring to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlJsV5j_aXo
use it, dont use it
actually dont use it, we enjoy beating you guys
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