Jake hammers Heyneke
30 Aug 2012
Jake White says Heyneke Meyer’s game plan for the Springboks is not a winning one.
The Brumbies mentor was speaking at a fundraiser at Emperors Palace in Kempton Park, according to Die Burger.
‘Heyneke’s coaching style is not a style that will help the Boks to win,’ said White. ‘If you can’t score at least four tries against Argentina, then there is a big problem.’
White said Meyer’s long stint with the Bulls had inevitably influenced his approach at Test level.
‘Heyneke was always going to get criticism because of his background with the Bulls. He was chosen as [Bok] coach because of the success he achieved as Bulls coach and it will naturally play a role in the way he coaches the Boks.’
White said that the more pressure Meyer was put under, the more he would revert to what worked for him at the Bulls.
‘If, for example, he must choose between Gio Aplon and Zane Kirchner, he will choose Kirchner every time,’ he said.
Meanwhile, former Bok captain Bob Skinstad reportedly described Meyer as a ‘dictator’, adding that ‘you can see during the match how he has told the players exactly what to do. They must learn to adapt.’
However, Skinstad later tweeted that he had not used the word ‘dictator’.
832 Comments
30 Aug 2012, 06:53 am
Talk is cheap o’l dragon…
30 Aug 2012, 07:05 am
Sour grapes perhaps Jake?
30 Aug 2012, 07:10 am
Sour grapes my arse. More like stating the obvious. White is wc winner. Meyer is a ******
30 Aug 2012, 07:12 am
Never said that he is wrong, but believe he wanted the job!
30 Aug 2012, 07:13 am
blow it out your arse bud.
30 Aug 2012, 07:15 am
M*ron
30 Aug 2012, 07:16 am
mormon? who, jake?
well that explains it.
30 Aug 2012, 07:17 am
Thanks hey! Not gonna stoop to your level and start name calling.
30 Aug 2012, 07:18 am
Say it like it is JAke chune this bakkies and co
30 Aug 2012, 07:19 am
@Shadow-8: dont be chicken, give him KAK
30 Aug 2012, 07:23 am
Haha too early for that sharks lover, only opened the office now, maybe after a coffee
30 Aug 2012, 07:24 am
@sharks_lover-9:
dont stress boet, poppa will be along shortly
30 Aug 2012, 07:29 am
Well IMO Jake is correct in saying HM’s gameplan is the wrong one for the Boks
30 Aug 2012, 07:32 am
Jake makes a valid point BUT he is compromised because he always takes tge credit for other people’s (his assistants) work. In 2004 it was the man (can’t recall the name) who helped the boks to implement the umbrella defence. It worked for 1 and a half seasons. Jake was clueless between end of 2005 3N until just before WC 2007, when he roped in eddie jones to sort out the playing style, skills & execution. Now at the brumbies he’s walked into a team that adheres strongly to an established playing style (he’s brought nothing original on the technical side) & he’s got good assistant coaches once again.
He’d have been better off keeping quiet
30 Aug 2012, 07:36 am
spot on jake
30 Aug 2012, 07:38 am
@ viewer, cricket bloke will tune you kak as well if you knock his beloved Jake White
30 Aug 2012, 07:38 am
@Shadow-13:
its just to little information to go on, they’re mentioning a few one-liner throw away comments jake made. which knowing the keo crew is probably wholly out of context anyway.
anyway, jake shouldn’t be one to talk.
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30 Aug 2012, 07:43 am
@ Bakkies, aggreed
30 Aug 2012, 07:44 am
JOHANNESBURG. – Daar is groot fout met Heyneke Meyer se styl van afrigting.
Só het die oud-Springbokafrigter Jake White gister by ’n geldinsamelingsgeleentheid by Emperors Palace in Kemptonpark oor die Bok-breier gesê.
“Heyneke se afrigtingstyl is nie ’n styl wat die Bokke gaan help om te wen nie,” het White gesê.
Die Springbokke se onlangse vertoning in Argentinië is die perfekte voorbeeld hiervan, het White bygevoeg.
Hulle het gelykop teen die Suid-Amerikaanse land gespeel.
“As jy nie minstens vier drieë teen Argentinië kan druk nie, is daar groot fout.”
White het gesê hy weet daar is sommige mense wat reken hy is te uitgesproke, maar hy vind dit lagwekkend.
“Jy doen mos iets reg, of jy los dit,” het hy gesê.
Hy het luidrugtig teen Meyer en die Springbokke se bestuurspan uitgevaar en geen doekies omgedraai nie.
“Heyneke sou altyd kritiek gekry het weens sy agtergrond by die Bulle.
“Hy is gekies as afrigter vanweë die sukses wat hy as Blou Bul-afrigter behaal het en natuurlik gaan dit ’n bepalende rol speel in die manier waarop hy die Bokke afrig.”
Volgens White, wat nou die Brumbies in Australië afrig, gaan Meyer al meer terugkeer na dit wat hy as Blou Bul-afrigter gedoen het namate hy onder meer druk geplaas word.
“As hy byvoorbeeld moet kies tussen Gio Aplon en Zane Kirchner, gaan hy elke keer vir Kirchner kies,” het White gesê.
Meyer het homself met ’n klomp jabroers omring, meen White.
“Die Bokke se bestuurspan is die mees onervare bestuurspan in wêreldrugby. Daar is nie ’n manier wat daardie ouens teen Heyneke sal opstaan of hom uitdaag nie.”
Dié probleem is volgens White ook onder die Springbok-spelers teenwoordig.
“In hierdie stadium is hulle maar net te bly om daar te wees en probeer hulle net om nie te veel foute te maak nie. Ek dink nie daar is iemand wat teen Heyneke sal opstaan en sy mening bevraagteken nie,” het White gesê.
Die oud-Springbok en rugbykommentator Bob Skinstad was ook by die geleentheid en het selfs die woord “diktator” gebruik om na Meyer te verwys.
“ ’n Mens kan tydens die wedstryd sien hoe hy vir die spelers presies beduie wat om te doen. Hulle moet leer om te kan aanpas,” het Skinstad gesê.
Meyer se plan is volgens White baie duidelik. “Hy wil hê die Bokke moet groot, sterk, oorbodige rugby speel. Hy dink duidelik dit sal sukses oplewer, maar net die tyd sal leer.”
Die Springbok-afrigter se werk is die moeilikste werk op aarde, het White egter bygevoeg.
“Jy kry twee soorte Springbok-afrigters: een wat al afgedank is en een wat nog afgedank moet word.”
30 Aug 2012, 07:44 am
@viewer-14:
Talk about talking ****. Jake has always taken credit for what others have done? So an U21 championship, Tri-Nations title, World Cup and his work at the Brumbies are all due to other people?
Jake must be very good at bullsh*tting a lot of people because they keep falling for it and employing him. And even more extraordinary is that he can still find “other people” to do work that he can take the credit for. Remarkable!
30 Aug 2012, 07:48 am
Skinstad calling HM a ‘ Dictator ‘ as well……
Heat most definitley on for HM…..so early in his job as well…..
I reckon if Boks get nailed in Perth and Dunedin the home leg may well be do or die for HM….
Not because of SARU, but because of the person HM appears to be….He seems to ‘ feel ‘ the pressure more than most….if the Coach box antics are anything to measure him by…..not sure how much he will be able to handle …
30 Aug 2012, 07:51 am
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30 Aug 2012, 07:52 am
A certain Mr William Webb Ellis thinks Jake White is ok, he is allowed to have an opinion without being abused for it. As for Heyneke, it is far too early for the vitriol being hurled at him. Remember how he took a while to get the Bulls from a near the bottom of the log team to Super Rugby champions? Took years, not a couple of months. Have some patience folks!
30 Aug 2012, 07:53 am
and for the record I am actually happy with HM at the moment…..the selections were spot on yesterday, especially F Louw 1…..
If he adds Brussow, Coenie, and rids the team of M Steyn he may well just be on the right track….
Of course the skop en jag will need to stop, but I believe J Goosen will be the catalyst once he takes over the 10 role…..Problem with M Steyn is he cannot do any more than what he does……which is offer a limited type game ….
30 Aug 2012, 07:54 am
@grant10-22: This does not surprise me in the least. The ONLY thing that surprises me, is why it has taken this long for all the so-called ‘experts’ to suss out the situation.
Many bloggers, armchair fans and those who don’t support the Bulls had all this sh y te worked out before the man was even appointed.
Baffling….
30 Aug 2012, 07:56 am
@iamthebear-24: The Boks don’t have the luxury of years mate…
30 Aug 2012, 07:57 am
oh god, here we go again.
pull out the camomile tea, rose scented candles and incense.
its gonna be a bawler….
30 Aug 2012, 07:58 am
HM does not select alone…
Rod MacQueen had a very prescriptive style of play, 7 phases left, 6 phases right, 1 left then points….the dictator has RWC and Super Rugby badges
HMs coaches are finding their feet, forward coach is struggling, scrum coach is doing very fine job, backline coach is struggling, defense coach is OK
30 Aug 2012, 07:58 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-27: Yes they do. A long term view is exactly what is needed. Not a four year world cup cycle but giving time to someone to have better processes installed that will last beyond the current coach. The Bulls are still benefiting from HM’s systems.
30 Aug 2012, 08:01 am
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30 Aug 2012, 08:03 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-28: someone seems over his problems from yesterday ? and humbled that you were missing me
@grant10-25: Doesnt Goosen have a bigger boot then Morne? could it be he wants him in the side so as to kick deep into the enemy territory then rely on defense for turnovers? so a variation of skop an jag? here, first!
30 Aug 2012, 08:04 am
It appears that my post the other day regarding HM not being challenged by his coaching staff was spot on.
30 Aug 2012, 08:06 am
@touch.pause.engage-33: ….don’t bite the hand that feeds…or maybe they all do support the/a play philosophy
30 Aug 2012, 08:06 am
Totally agree with everything Jake White is saying. And the problem is that Heyneke is naive enough to think it will work.
30 Aug 2012, 08:09 am
@JL1-34:
I think it is a combination of both.
30 Aug 2012, 08:11 am
@touch.pause.engage-36: Every coaching team needs a devils advocate.
30 Aug 2012, 08:14 am
@poppa69-32: The games I have watched J Goosen shows he is the opposite of M Steyn…..
Steyns 1 st priority , deeply ingrained in his DNA , is to put boot to ball….you can see it, sense it, feel it….
Goosen is the opposite….perhaps it is the Cheetahs DNA , he looks to open things up….
I cant tell you how frustrating it is to watch M Steyn from a grandstand where you look down, see the overlaps and the 3 on 2 s…….and then watch M Steyn stick the ball on the boot…..soul destroying !!
Hust hope Goosen is given time to get 100 % match fit….same goes for F Louw and Vermeulen, all class players imo….
30 Aug 2012, 08:16 am
@poppa69-32:
ja, my head is a circus most days
but seriously, this whole lions thing grates me ugly, touches me on my studio and strips my moer all in one. i am angry with the two bit emergency crisis management operation they are running right now. its clear they dont have a clue about what to really do to fix this.
its laughable head in the sand stuff.
i feel guilty for being alive in this time.
30 Aug 2012, 08:17 am
Jake might have a point when criticizing the support staff HM surrounded him with? BUT they have to follow orders too and it seems like the game plan is the root of all things wrong with the team at the moment.
If HM has it in him to change this, things could turn around, but I have to agree with Jake. It cant keep on going like this.
Perhaps appointing all of the Bulls support staff was not the right move either. They arent the best of the best thats for sure.
Especially Loubscher, why not get a guy with a few decade’s worth of backline coaching experience??? Its the boks ffs, the highest level of coaching should be coached by the proven best!
I honestly hope HM wont be stubborn and hard headed when he fails. Adapt and survive!
Does he have a performance clause in his contract I wonder….?????
30 Aug 2012, 08:17 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-37:
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30 Aug 2012, 08:18 am
Agree with Jake, Heyneke said he needed to stick to what he knows for the England tests but we are seeing that he is continuing on this trend. I’m beginning to wonder what exactly did he do for 4 years while sulking over his ‘lost’ opportunity with the Boks.
On the other hand, Jake was lucky that he didn’t have to lose all this experience and so many injuries. When Jake took over, most of the guys in the team had 20-30 games behind their names. Also, Heyneke has not lost a game yet, so until then, we are almost willing the team to lose.
30 Aug 2012, 08:20 am
So Jake’s saying Meyer will always choose an average Bulls player over a better player from elsewhere. And that it’ll get worse when the pressure starts racheting up. Hmmm…
30 Aug 2012, 08:22 am
It doesn’t take a helicopter pilot to figure out that the style being implemented with the Boks is outdated and amateurish to say the least.
Different game plans for different oposition is needed. Skop and jaag is only the wet of transvaal. Change the style immediately…
30 Aug 2012, 08:22 am
@iamthebear-24: I believe the “while” you are talking about was about 4-7 years of loser rugby upon which the Lotto gave the Bulls a million rand to buy players and then they started playing better. Sure Heineken has gained great success at Super rugby level, but he’s just making the wrong calls now. We can’t wait 5 years before the boks turn around.
The boks were poor as poor could be when Jake took over, his first year he turned them around and won silver and beat the AB’s for the first time in 7 encounters.
30 Aug 2012, 08:23 am
@grant10-38: too early for Goosen mate, hasnt even completed a season of super rugby yet… he is the future for sure, but rushing him into the side, whether fit or not, can do more harm then good… Look at the way Cruden was managed, bit parts here and there until the WC where we had no choice whatsoever but to play him, by then he had confidence in his ability at the highest level… you can see that confidence in his season this year.. Goosen I fear if played at all in Australasia may never be the player he could be… just imo though..
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-39:
there are people who can help you with your coulrophobia mate…
30 Aug 2012, 08:23 am
Should we not have the following team?::
15.) Frans Steyn (or was PDivvie correct in saying he was overweight and too slow)
14.) Gio Aplon
13.) Jean De Villiers
12.) Juan de Jongh
11.) Bryan Habana
10.) Pat Lambie
9.) Ruan Pienaar
8.) Duane Vermeulen (too soon IMO)
7.) Marcell Coetzee
6.) Francois Louw
5.) Andries Bekker
4.) Eben Etzebeth
3.) Pat Cilliers
2.) Andries Strauss
1.) Beast Mtwaria
16.) Tiaan Liebenberg
17.) Jannie du Plessis
18.) Juandre Kruger
19.) Willem Alberts
20.) Francois Hougaard
21.) Johan Goosen
22.) Zane Kirchner
30 Aug 2012, 08:26 am
@goodstuff-45: just to correct you, it was the first time in 9 encounters
30 Aug 2012, 08:27 am
Its rather sad to see outsiders giving input on what is going on in the bokcamp… Jake you are and will always be a great coach and I do respect you for that… But in your time as coach of boks it wasn’t all peaches and cream too… I’m not gonna talk meyer clean but why have the knives in for him when he haven’t lost a game yet?
I believe the coaching is good but I think the execution of the team is the concern… You can take a horse to a pit but you can’t force him to drink… Heineke can tell the boks the gameplan but he can’t run on the field to tell them when they must execute it? That’s for them to know it already… We will come good, not this year maybe but next year we will be better,wiser and more structured… Believe you me.
30 Aug 2012, 08:28 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-37:
For sure, a respected one at that !
30 Aug 2012, 08:30 am
@rs 47- mate uve just made my day whit that 22… But I wuldv pick lwazi in place of krichner on the bench as gio can cover fullback too(and this is coming from a bull)
30 Aug 2012, 08:34 am
@poppa69-46: I doubt that he will get any game time. Probably wont even be on the bench. He might get a few minutes during the games back home…
30 Aug 2012, 08:36 am
Oh please Jake. Try that comparison on yourself, Kirchner vs Aplon, mister “I pick only the largest guy I can find regardless of skill”.
30 Aug 2012, 08:37 am
@Jeez-52: seems a silly move to me to take him then? why not leave him for the CC to get back to match fitness then he will be ready for the EOYT? where he could start vs Italy or Scotland etc..
30 Aug 2012, 08:39 am
I agree, Jake always has something to say. Give the man a chance – still early days
30 Aug 2012, 08:40 am
We did not need Jake White to tell us that Heyneke’s game plan is not going to work.
There seems to be nationwide (minus Bull fans) consensus that we are regressing with every passing day.
I stated yesterday that his future is in Elton Jantjies’ hands and I see he has now chosen to leave him behind in SA. He has not even lost a game and the pressure is already unbearable; with defeat not far away what will the response be?
30 Aug 2012, 08:40 am
@poppa69-48: It was a while ago, so sorry about that, but that win at Elis Park was awsome, with the impotent Mehrtens leading the AB’s to the slaughter. As I remember the ABs scored only one try per game while the boks scored about three per game.
Even Paddy “O’ I love my cheating refs” Brian could not stop us from winning the cup.
How the wheel turns.
30 Aug 2012, 08:41 am
@poppa69-46:
to tell you the truth, goosen should not have been drafted into this squad at all. his time will come but its not now.
rather meyer should have called up fouche (however, i suspect there is collusion with the bulls coaches to consider the bulls fortunes too).
fouche will be a bok flyhalf (you heard it here).
30 Aug 2012, 08:41 am
Just want to mention……
saw a Hyena fight with a small Warthog this morning at the dam….
Hyena won’t try that again..
30 Aug 2012, 08:42 am
Agree 100% with Jake. HM has his favourites and it’s clear to see. How can he pick Mone before Jantjies? To make matters worse, he picks Goosen before Elton as well and Goosen is not match fit??? WTF??? The Boks ain’t the Bulls HM…time to smell the roses!
30 Aug 2012, 08:43 am
If everyone was fit and able.
15 Aplon
14 JP
13 JDV c
12 F Steyn
11 Habs
10 Lambie
9 Pienaar
8 Kanko
7 Alberts
6 Brussouw
5 Bekker
4 Etsebeth
3 Jannie
2 Bissie
1 Beast
Strauss, Gurthro, Kruger, Vermuelen, Hougaard, Goosen, JdJ.
30 Aug 2012, 08:45 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-58: Jy is frek snaaks ou maat, hoekome het die bulls vir flippin Pollard gekoop as Fouche soo cool is?
30 Aug 2012, 08:47 am
@Staal-59:
“saw a small Warthog this morning at the dam”
you were at Fern’s place? and Im not sure he wouldnt like you describing him as a warthog, however appropriate it may be..
@goodstuff-57: yep, was a comprehensvie victory that one.. was one all in the series, didnt you guys win the 3Ns on bonus points that year?
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-58: havent heard of the douche…oops I mean fouche
30 Aug 2012, 08:49 am
@ John Galt – Lambie before Jantjies at 10?? Play Lambie or Taute at 15. I’d also put Hougaard on the wing before Habana…agree on the forwards!
30 Aug 2012, 08:56 am
@poppa69-46: Agree…he needs to be managed carefully…..but in the interin Lambie must start at 10….not the skop en jag artist….
H Meyer should go with Goosen and either Lambie./ Jantjes as back up…
30 Aug 2012, 08:57 am
@Staal-59:
30 Aug 2012, 09:03 am
@John Galt-61: Excellent squad John.
30 Aug 2012, 09:04 am
@grant10-65: would like to see Jantjies with a decent forward pack, at the Lions he never really got that…but in a test against Aussie? with the pressure Meyer is under? wont happen, ditto Lambie.
lambie too hasnt had much game time recently, so I dont foresee Morne being dropped personally, with JDV having clear instructions to kick for poles at every opportunity..
30 Aug 2012, 09:08 am
@grant10-65: Elton at the very least (in an ideal world of course….) would have had over 80 minutes international rugby this season thus far….even coming off the bench. He and Lambie will play no further part in Meyer’s plans – this is clear as day.
Tragic for the both of them.
(And let’s be honest…..unless Morne Steyn is seriously injured, he will always start. In fact, Meyer would start him if he were in a wheelchair and neckbrace, with middle ear infection….
30 Aug 2012, 09:08 am
Nobody messes with the shallow pig.
30 Aug 2012, 09:09 am
@goodstuff-62: Diepte! Al gehoor van dit?
If Heyneke will ALWAYS go with Kirchner above Aplon. Why did he go with Louw above Stegmann, Oosthuizen above Greyling. Bekker above Kruger, Etzebeth above Flip, Strauss above Ralepele?
My team vs Aussies specifically:
15. Lambie
14 Hougaard
13 de Villiers
12 Steyn
11 Habana
10 Goosen
9 Pienaar
8 Vermeulen
7 Louw
6 Alberts
5 Bekker
4 Etzebeth
3 du Plessis
2 Strauss
1 Beast
Aus will not go with an up and under strategy like Eng and Arg, so we can have a more risky player at 15. Goosen will be good. Rather pick him against Aus in Aus than Aus in SA where the pressure will be more, especially if we dont win in Aus. We must get a good right shoulder against Aus and Cilliers may be too risky for me as he is untested at this level. Pienaar is picked to give Goosen better delivery and Steyn and Pienaar will provide experience. Coetzee is picked on the bench because he is overplayed and he will make a huge impact from the bench. Cannot remember which game it was in the Super 15 but he scored almost the most fantasy points on a weekend, but only played for 30 mins from the bench.
30 Aug 2012, 09:11 am
@goodstuff-62:
hy’s 18 jaar oud? en alhoewel hy nou al goed is, is dit duidelik hy’s n belegging vir die toekoms. ek dink hy sal eers vc speel voordat hy cc speel en as hy cc speel sal hy agter fouche insluit op losskakel.
30 Aug 2012, 09:11 am
@poppa69-63: Yup, bonus points, the wallabies did us a favour by actually winning their home games against the ABs for once.
30 Aug 2012, 09:12 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-69: I’m not so sure. Those middle ear infections can be quite uncomfortable.
30 Aug 2012, 09:12 am
@Horings-71: Mvovu rather than hougaard? Fikile might not like my team.
30 Aug 2012, 09:12 am
@grant10-38: “Steyns 1 st priority , deeply ingrained in his DNA , is to put boot to ball….you can see it, sense it, feel it”
hehehe
i could tell you every time MSteyn was going to skop 
30 Aug 2012, 09:13 am
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGH!
Chrissakes, I wanted so badly to have faith in a Bok Coach…. Faith that has been missing since 2007…
This is the first week that I am now starting to question not the ability of King Heyneke but his goddamn sanity…
Why?
I tell you farken WHY!
- The Goosen Hype… I cannot believe than Meyer has fallen for the hype of this player. Granted the guy can play ball, but so could Gaffie Du Toit. From the day I saw Goosen completely outplayed, outsmarted and outgunned by a young George Ford when the Baby Boks got fcked up by England a few years back I thought to myself “this guy is not as good as he seems”. Contrast Goosen to Pollard just recently and you see the difference… Pollard has BMT… Pollard is a clutch player… If HM wanted to pick a young, talented all round ten then Pollard was the player he should have picked… He has everything Goosen has plus BMT to go with it.
If Meyer wanted to pick flair and excitement at 10 – he already has a 10 in his squad that can do that better than Goosen but with more balls than Goosen will ever have… And that player is Jantjies.
If he wanted a thinking 10 that can take on opposition D on the advantage line and really bring loosies into play then he’s got one of those too… Lambie.
So Meyer has options at 10… More than enough… Instead he buys into hype and brings Goosen into the team when the guy has only played one game in CC after injury… Farked I tell ya.
- The Vermeulen Hype… For the life of me this is a big farken mistake to pin the hopes of getting the loose trio to fire on Vermeulen. He is a good player but fark me he is no world beater in a single component, attribute or skill that makes up a loosie…. For instance, Spies, although got no ballas, has a world class lineout jumping attribute… same for Kanko… Brussouw is word class at fetching…. Daniel, although small, is great at offloads and support play… Coetzee, workrate and Alberts – collision dominator. This is a farkup. Mistake number 2.
- The Daniel drop… This after a promise made to a player that “if we were playing Australia then Keegan would be playing”…. Now the Boks play Australia and who AINT playing? 50 odd minutes as a starting player, for a side that actually managed to win against Argentina and Keegan gets rewarded with a DCM! HUH? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!!!!! Fuckthis for a big ballofshit!
Yeah… I am starting to DOUBT!
Could Meyer now be starting to show the mental frailty he sees in his players… The same mental frailty he showed at Leicester when the going got tough and he felt like a fish out of water… EISH….
DOUBTS!
30 Aug 2012, 09:14 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-72: I doubt that, why would Pollard go to a union where he would be put at the back of the que? While at province he would start in CC or even be 2nd choice at SR, while at bulls he would be 3rd in line behind lesser players? IMO.
30 Aug 2012, 09:15 am
@grant10-65: Mate I hate to f uck up your morning, but have you thought about this – Goosen is possibly the most exciting flyhalf prospect we’ve had in 2 decades, and he’s at the point now of coming through to the national team…under a coach who’s ‘game plan’ is the exact polar opposite of his natural game. What’s going to happen to his game under a coach who tells him to kick all day long, and doesn’t allow players to be creative or think for themselves?
I truly hope I’m wrong, but I’m worried that HM’s doctrines could ruin this kid. Look how disjointed and out of form someone as naturally brilliant as Hougaard looks, trying to play his predecessors style
30 Aug 2012, 09:17 am
@Transformation-76: How is it then, that the Bulls outscore the Stormers in Super Rugby every single year with Steyn and Grant their respective flyhalves?
30 Aug 2012, 09:17 am
AAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
WHY????
30 Aug 2012, 09:18 am
@Atreides-79: Goosen will not spend enough time with HM to make this happen, can you believe that M Steyn was actually a running FH and had to change to adapt to the bulls game plan? I hope Pollard makes his money and gets the hell out of Pretoria, they are gonna turn him into another Morne.
30 Aug 2012, 09:19 am
@Taahirah-80: One word, gameplan.
30 Aug 2012, 09:20 am
@Heavens Game-77: I think you’re right but for different reasons.
Goosen is for sure as talented as everyone says BUT he needs a lot more time to develop and grow before he gets thrown to the AB’s…..and Vermeulen has the mongrel to take on the AB pack, but he hasn’t played all season….so if he’s rusty during a CC game, how badly will he be shown up in a test? These guys are not being managed properly.
HM should rather be focusing on getting Kanko and J Fourie back from Japan….let the injured guys oplay themselves back into form. You don’t play the wallabies or AB’s undercooked. I’d even look at Deysel, his form has been much better than Vermeulen’s and he also brings some aggro.
30 Aug 2012, 09:22 am
I’m a big Jake White fanbut feel a bit disappointed with these comments, if of course he made them as reported here. Throughout his Bok tenure Jake was criticised in the press and in his book took umbrage to it and now he is doing it himself.
HM has not done a bad job thus far and to judge him on 5 tests is ludicrous. New coach new players give it time.
30 Aug 2012, 09:23 am
@goodstuff-82: I hope you’re right. Because HM is already talking about the provincial coaches adapting to his vision of how the team should play.
And even so, how will he slot smoothly into a Bok side playing HM’s game plan A, if he’s been playing Cheetah’s game plan B all year?
30 Aug 2012, 09:23 am
Good to see Flo back… at least HM is willing to pick overseas based players…
The game plan needs to change.The injured players will eventually come back and the boks will have a mighty team, but this is cause for concern….
Its too soon for HM to realize that he wont succeed on this path and so the game plan will stay the same.
So it all depends on what he will do after 2-3 losses after implementing the same failing game plan.
But will he only realize this when he has lost games with his preferred team ??? And will he use injuries as an excuse until that perfect team eventually features and loses? That is a worrying thought.
Fire Loubscher for a start, a backline coach should help formulate the game plan!!! And not be some yesman you picked to control! He worked well with Todd Louden and he has an amazing track record over the past few decades! why wasnt he appointed?
30 Aug 2012, 09:23 am
The game plan is irrelevant when you have almost no world class players. How many Boks would make it into a World XV, even with the replacements called up? On top of that you have a new team and new pairings. If the Boks win one more match in this Championship I will eat my granny’s socks.
30 Aug 2012, 09:23 am
@Taahirah-80:
That’s an awkward question.
Especially when you look at how many tries the outside backs score.
30 Aug 2012, 09:23 am
@goodstuff-83: Nothing to do with Grant’s lack of foot speed and inability to side step?
30 Aug 2012, 09:24 am
WHY SO SOON?
The “Madness” gets to every Bok coach… Everyone barring the great Kitch. From Nelie Smith… to Ian Mac… to Carel Du Plessis… to Nick Mallet… to most famously Rudi Straeuli… to Harry Viljoren….to Jake White and Dippy Div, the Green madness comes, takes hold and consumes them all… Its just that it varies in the length of time before a Bok Coach succumbs…
Now fark me if I’m starting to see the first signs with King Heyneke… ALREADY!!!!?
Heyneke is a great coach… normally systematic, methodical, analytical… But HELLSTEETH he is starting to do some illogical stuff….
30 Aug 2012, 09:25 am
@Heavens Game-77: Pollard is not close to Sprinbok rugby. Not even Currie Cup rugby. His tactical kicking did not have 1 the accuracy and 2 the lenght in the Junior World Cup. He is a good prospect, but not close to Goosen’s level.
Remember the amount of chances we let through in the World Cup last year. We should have smashed England that day. That World Cup was also not in South Africa which played a huge role.
Goosen is the best junior rugby player I have ever seen and he was extremely good in his first Super rugby season.
Meyer is also not caught up in the hype. He wanted Goosen at the Bulls, he talked him up before the Eng series. He was definitely part of his plans from the start and btw none of those players you mentioned has the boot which is crucial for test rugby.
30 Aug 2012, 09:25 am
@Soda-88:
If the boks win this Rygby championship I’ll eat your granny.
30 Aug 2012, 09:26 am
@Atreides-84: Deysel is not a number 8, he is a specialist 7, so would not make starting 15 with alberts there. HM looking for a better 8 and a better 6, hence Flow and Vermullet.
30 Aug 2012, 09:26 am
Once again! It doesn’t matter which players HM chooses, if he is going to stick to his outdated game plan. The results will continue to mirror the same results. Sorry but it is the truth…
30 Aug 2012, 09:26 am
@halfgk-53: jake picked breyton didn’t he?
30 Aug 2012, 09:27 am
@DEE DAH-85: I don;t agree with a lot of the criticism of Jake here based on him relying on his assistants…it’s an outdated way of thinking. I saw a talk by the CEO of a big tech company in the US, and one very interesting point he made was that if his senior management aren’t arguing with him or telling him he’s wrong at least once a month, they aren’t doing their jobs.
In SA there’s still a lot of the patricarchal, ‘ek is die baas van die plaas’ mindset, where you don’t contradict the boss. HM strikes me as this type (IMO)
30 Aug 2012, 09:27 am
Agree with Jake. Game plan just not gonna get us anywhere. Mallett was even more brutal with his view of our game on Saturday. Two previous successful Bok Coaches can’t be that wrong. Meyer has to up his game.
Meyer needs some help. Doubt very much his backline coach is doing very much or his forward coach for that matter.
What happened to Carlos Spencer? Did he go back to NZ? The last time I heard he wanted to carry on living in South Africa as he loved it here. If he is still here Meyer should contact Carlos.
30 Aug 2012, 09:28 am
@goodstuff-94: oh right, thanks
30 Aug 2012, 09:29 am
What has happened to all the praise singers who sang HM’s praises. Weren’t the Cape Supporters called whingers when they suggested HM would flop? Now that he kicks out their players he is a jerk…
30 Aug 2012, 09:29 am
@Gumboots-95: Exactly. Really don’t matter which players he selects, it is the game plan that is letting us down.
30 Aug 2012, 09:30 am
@gunther-89: Who coaches the backline at the BUlls? Cos they are generally consistently dangerous. Wish Alistair would wake up in this regard…
30 Aug 2012, 09:30 am
@Puma-101:
It is going to be one long Rugby Championship for us mate! Regression for sure…
30 Aug 2012, 09:31 am
@Staal-59: hahaha. Where you live that you see all this excitment Staal?
So the Warthog won the battle with the Hyena! hahaha. Interesting that.
30 Aug 2012, 09:32 am
Meyer needs to ditch the Stormers outdated game plan.
It didn’t work for them either.
30 Aug 2012, 09:32 am
I would play
01 Beast
02 Bissy
03 Jannie
04 Alberts/Mostert
05 Etsebeth
06 Brussouw
07 Coetzee
08 Kanko
09 Pienaar
10 Lambie
11 Hougaard
12 F Steyn
13 Jordaan
14 JPP
15 Taute
16 Chilli
17 Oosthuizen
18 Mostert/Alberts
19 Vermeulen
20 Goosen
21 Mvovo
22 JDJ
One can change around some of the players as needed depending who you are playing against.
10 players as backup i would have
PSDT plays lock and 7 flank and is 2 meters tall with power and speed
Cilliers
Jantjes
Strauss Hooker
Kolisi
Vermeulen
Stander
Sarel Pretorius
A Coetzee
Rhule
This will get some chirps going
30 Aug 2012, 09:32 am
@Atreides-86:
HM not only gonna stuff up the Bokke with his outdated game-plan, but yes he’s aiming to take down South African Rugby with his idea of implementing an overall strategic plan for your Super Sides….the guy is a meglomaniac…an idiot,
30 Aug 2012, 09:32 am
@Taahirah-80: who said Grant was better than Steyn? they do the same thing and it hamstrings both backlines…
another little titbit you’re ignoring is that TRIES aren’t strictly tied to flyhalf play eg zane boots the ball from deep basson chases, springs into the air, gathers the ball safely and saunters into the in-goal area….TRY…no MSteyn contribution needed…
think further than your pink jersey
30 Aug 2012, 09:32 am
@Horings-71:
That is probably the best combo considering the squad. But id replace Bekker with Kruger. He’s one blue bull who proved his worth and picked on merit. Bekker had a shocker and it was unfair to drop Kruger after a solid performance against England and he gelled surprisingly well with Esebeth.
If Flo plays a good fetching game the boks will have beter front foot ball. Its clear that Brussouw has been missed immensely, even more so than Burger. Flo could make a huge difference. Lets just hope he starts!
30 Aug 2012, 09:32 am
“Jake hammers Heyneke”
Where?
Looks like he just gave his valuable opinion.
Pathetic.
30 Aug 2012, 09:32 am
@Atreides-79: Cannot agree more… But you can say that for any player “coming through”. However there has to be a time when it is sink or swim…
I do agree that it is wrong time for Goosen… Not after one game back after a serious injury… Jeez the guy might not even be the same player he was… But even as gifted as he was, I actually reckon there are better players staring HM in the face – available, ready to go and play already.
Vermeulen – “mongrel”??? WTF kind of attribute is that? Potgieter got “mongrel”, and now you want another “mongrel”…. Fark me.
I dont know… Maybe all Bok supporters going insane along with HM at the moment… I feel like I am the only one-eyed King in this land of the goddamned blind at the moment.
SHEEZUS
30 Aug 2012, 09:33 am
There are a few Sharks i could have added
30 Aug 2012, 09:33 am
@Heavens Game-77:
boom?
30 Aug 2012, 09:33 am
@Te Rangatira-107: His meltdowns in the coaching box didn’t do much to set people’s mind at ease either…..hardly ice in the veins!
30 Aug 2012, 09:34 am
@Atreides-102: Slaptjips
30 Aug 2012, 09:34 am
I think HM doesn’t understand that having a virtual Bok pack and world class 9 in a provincial competition against other provincial/regional sides gave him a tremendous advantage at the Bulls and provided a platform for the backs to operate. Unfortunately at test level, the other coaches can select the best from all their clubs/franchises to level the playing field. What worked for an almost Bok pack against provincial sides has lead HM to believe that his game plan will also work against international sides.
30 Aug 2012, 09:34 am
@Atreides-102:
I’m very disappointed that Meyer didn’t take Slapchips with him.
30 Aug 2012, 09:35 am
@sharks_lover-106:
Replace Lambie with Goosen and thats probably the best attacking bok backline who’d ever see!! Plus Goosen is a better goal kicker.
30 Aug 2012, 09:36 am
@gunther-105:
Agree!
30 Aug 2012, 09:36 am
@Heavens Game-111: By mongrel I mean balls, what you don’t get from Spies, and get in spades with guys like Daniel and Vermeulen etc…..not gonna vanish and shrink like daisies when the world champs get stuck in.
And potgieter is just disjointed and inaccurate, doesn’t bother defenders or attackers, so not the same thing.
30 Aug 2012, 09:37 am
doot doot oodle doodle oot doot do do
:insert clown smiley here:
30 Aug 2012, 09:38 am
@gunther-117: Yea, how in the name of all that’s holy does Loubser crack the nod ahead of Rossouw? Maybe he’s more of a yes-man?
30 Aug 2012, 09:38 am
@Atreides-97: You are correct, if a man surrounds himself with midgets it doesn’t make him a giant. A man that surrounds himself with giants…
HM’s support staff are poor choices (excluding Erasmus), Van Graan is also not too bad, but Laubcher is obviously out of his depth, he just reminds me of the Strauli era, would never have played bok rugby without quotas. IMO.
30 Aug 2012, 09:38 am
@Gumboots-103: For now it looks that way. Look if we can beat Oz in Perth we may lift our game who knows. But if we lose to them and the Blacks away there will be huge pressure on Meyer. If we lose to both of them back home on our turf. I feel he will just pack it in to be honest. Just can’t see him take the pressure that will come with losing on home soil. Game plan is very dated.
Was clearing my pvr last night and re-watched the Sharks/Bulls/Reds game. Was like watching another game totally to what we are watching with the Boks. From that thrilling exciting game style to this that the Boks are playing??? How could we play like that to this dumb dumb game syle we playing now? The game on Saturday was ugly to watch. Like we had only just returned from 20 years from isolation and had no clue how to play. It looked that bad.
30 Aug 2012, 09:39 am
@Puma-101: What confuses me is that if he wants to still do the kick chase approach, why not pick the scrummy thats the closest to Fourie dp who was key to implementing the plan – ie Pienaar , backup Vermaak?
Hougaard could become an awesome attacking scrumhalf however with the wrong game plan he looks like Joost did when he was told to play like Johan Rouw. With the current gameplan, Hougie would do better on the wing
30 Aug 2012, 09:40 am
@gunther-105: Lol, you are funny. When we wanted to score tries we did, one bad game in the SF doesn’t change a 12/14 record you punce.
30 Aug 2012, 09:41 am
@Transformation-108: The question was in relation to Grant’s comment, as he has consistently praised Grant (Peter) as being a better option than Steyn.
And while some tries may come in the manner you have described a greater percentage doesnt. And that greater percentage still humbles the impotent Grant, the Stormers 10.
As for the Pink jersey: Ill think further than it once one of the other franchises achieves some Super Rugby success.
Kings in 2013 maybe?
Ill be holding my breath.
30 Aug 2012, 09:41 am
man, could the Bokke get the inaugural wooden spoon in TRC?
Argies could realistically beat Aussies in Argentina, and Bokke could realistically lose the next 4?
wouldnt that be something
30 Aug 2012, 09:41 am
@Gumboots-100: yep, meyer boots out the guppy favourites and BENCHES lambie for 160 minutes, HOW DARE HE?
30 Aug 2012, 09:41 am
@Jeez-109: Damn did I pick Bekker in my team. He is the first guy I wanted to drop. Kruger ahead of Bekker it is.
Bench: Cilliers, Burden, Potgieter (either Potgieter, Alberts or Vermeulen can cover lock), Coetzee, Hougaard, de Jong, Kirchner.
Lambie, F Steyn can cover flyhalf. Hougaard can cover wing as well as scrumhalf. Kirchner because I do not want to see M Steyn in either a green or blue jersey again.
30 Aug 2012, 09:42 am
@Jeez-118: Like i said mate depends who one is playing against,
Against the AB’s i would rather have Lambie there defending that inside channel, But yeah what i was getting at is the basis of the team, one can swop around as needed depending on where you play against whom and what the conditions are
30 Aug 2012, 09:42 am
@sharks_lover-106: Would be a brilliant team. You know I would have Goosen on at fb with his big boot. Actually think he would be a brilliant fb. I know he was playing superb at fh but also think he would play magnificent at fb.
30 Aug 2012, 09:42 am
@sharks_lover-106: Your whole pack from 4-8 is unbalanced, no lineout specialist, no hard running 7(Marcel is an 8 IMO). Backline very sharks centric but not bad.
30 Aug 2012, 09:43 am
@Puma-124:
I hope Mallet is ready to take over…
30 Aug 2012, 09:43 am
@goodstuff-126: Yep. The Stormers will one day proudly show-off their 12/14 medals to their grand kids…
30 Aug 2012, 09:43 am
@Jeez-118: Sorry also remember you have steyn in there for long kicks and also RUAN is a very good goal and tactical kicker
30 Aug 2012, 09:44 am
@Atreides-122:
Maybe he tuxes more boxes.
Otherwise that coaching box looks paler than an Eskimos titties.
30 Aug 2012, 09:44 am
@Atreides-120: I dont agree about Vermeulen and balls… I saw just last Saturday Strauss outballsying Vermeulen. Yes, Vermeulen just coming back from injury but then what kind of thinking is behind getting him into the Bok squad when he is clearly not ready… Even at his peak I reckon there are better 8′s and not just the obvious Sharks… There is also Strauss and Slangkos Potgieter for a start who are better options, with just as much balls, if not more and with more skill and positional awareness too….
30 Aug 2012, 09:45 am
@sharks_lover-131: Yes against ABs think Lambie’s defence would be better. Remember Lambie played fh when we played Chiefs at the Tank. He defended that inside channel well. That was one game where SBW had a shocker. Don’t think he was allowed any space. Watched that game again the other day. SBW knocked on more than I had ever seen him do before. Was probably the only game I have seen SBW not playing well was that game.
30 Aug 2012, 09:45 am
The funny thing is that the reason Meyer has brought Goosen in early is so that he can learn his structures.
By what we’ve seen from the Boks in the last few weeks, this would mean coaching any natural talent out of him just in time before his first test. Gooesn would have done better to stay with the cheetahs and flown into the squad on the Saturday morning before the test
30 Aug 2012, 09:45 am
@Puma-132: Thought of LAmbie and Goosen swopping around too,@goodstuff-133: Agreed and like i said to Jeez depending who one is playing against you can swop personel around
30 Aug 2012, 09:46 am
@Puma-139: Exactly Pooms
30 Aug 2012, 09:46 am
I reckon your backline would be awesome if Timotei was back at 12..
he is the missing link..
sorted…
30 Aug 2012, 09:47 am
@Taahirah-127: you replied to me, pal…
grant stands as deep & often but not all the time) as MSteyn, he takes the ball from a standing position meaning his centres can’t move either until he moves – all this allows defences to either drift into the 12s channel – which is why you end up with jean crashing all the time!
Grant’s deficiencies take NOTHING away from the fact the MSteyn is s.hit chap…he was a dead-eye goal kicker from 2009 to 2011 – the best in the world – but now that his kicking has gone wonky he needs to vary his game and he can’t! this has nothing to do with peter grant!
30 Aug 2012, 09:47 am
@Heavens Game-77: Oh dear. What is it like being in freefall?
Scary?
Is now about the right time to say: Told you so? As soon as the Sharks messiahs who were called up in their numbers started getting the boot – the good vibe would be gone
30 Aug 2012, 09:49 am
@Heavens Game-111:
Your right about that Pollard kid, excellent talent. Meyer becoming a little desperate roping in a fragile Goosen who needs to be eased into to the top stuff,huge gamble.Lambie would be a better bet, if he wants to make inroads into the Aussie backline defence. As for Duanne, sorry to say I have to agree with you, the guy is not the fastest when fit, another risky move by Meyer.As for Flouw, hes gonna get the shock of his life if he gets on against that Aussie openside, Why Meyer pays only lip service to Keegans undoubted abilities is beyond me.
It seems Meyer is overlooking his biggest mistake, the gameplan and his reliance on poor Morne, a good/great player in his time but gone to seed now.
30 Aug 2012, 09:49 am
@Bok fan-140:
Exactly what I have been saying for some time now. We have the knack to coach skills out of players…
30 Aug 2012, 09:49 am
@Gumboots-134: I like his brutal honesty….hahahaha. Hope dstv keeps him and more importantly allows him to say what he feels needs to be said, than rather keeping quiet. He let rip and spoke for all of us really…..hahaha. The other presenters never really say what they would like to say. So having Mallett there is great.
30 Aug 2012, 09:50 am
@sharks_lover-106: Now thats an exciting team I would want to watch
30 Aug 2012, 09:50 am
As for Meyer persisting with Donkey
- At 13, when the fool is too slow and does not have the distributional ability to be a world class option… Never mind being totally inadequate on defence. BLIND I tell you.
- At Captain… FFS he’s always been the Clown of the Bok side… the Joker… Now he’s Cappie… The farker hasn’t got a decent leadership bone in his body… No aura, fuckall. Compare him to Morne Du P, Claasen, Pienaar, Teich, Barney, Victor. Those are leaders of men.
JdV is NOT WORTHY!
MADNESS Man!
30 Aug 2012, 09:50 am
@goodstuff-126:
What are you talking about?
When you NEEDED to score tries you couldn’t.
Don’t worry next year will be your year.
Punce.
30 Aug 2012, 09:51 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-145: ‘
you mean, no more of this from HG?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v19PpD5uqL0
30 Aug 2012, 09:51 am
@Te Rangatira-146:
Alberts slower than Vermeulen in my view…
Vermeulen is faster than what people give credit for…
30 Aug 2012, 09:52 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-145: You told me nothing thumbelina… Now wind your neck in and farkoff back to the kitchen where hopefully you actually more useful and actually make sense.
30 Aug 2012, 09:53 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-145: watch him out-scream everyone that expressed reservation s about meyer before the guppy captain got dropped
30 Aug 2012, 09:53 am
@Bok fan-140: hahaha. Ja you said it well there….LOL. Should have just flown in on the morning and escape the coach, coaching all his natural creative talent out of him.
Would be a pity to have a player like that turned into a Morne clone.
30 Aug 2012, 09:54 am
@poppa69-128: Well, if it did some long term good in terms of our coaching setup, I would happily take the 4 losses.
In fact, I would happily take the 4 losses with a few losses on the EOYT as well, if a REAL coach were at the helm, and he was trying to evolve the Bok gameplan.
But I AIN’T taking 4 losses and EOYT losses to hear, “There is nothing wrong with our gameplan, the problem was in the execution thereof”.
30 Aug 2012, 09:54 am
All I can say is Perth is going to be a juicy clash. If Jake is right, and HM will simply dig his heels in harder with the stampkar game plan, then SA are farked.
30 Aug 2012, 09:55 am
@gunther-151: One game pal, only one game. We scored tries when we needed to win, except of course the SF when the Sharks played beyond themselves.
30 Aug 2012, 09:56 am
@Puma-139: Puma the actualy reason for me posting that squad was for this reason,
We all can put a team together thats easym we choose who we like or rate,
Now like someone said the other day to me is that the players must fit into the coaches game play, yeah to a degree, but i also dissagree.
For starters we DO NOT at present have a NEW Bakkies option, And so we can some up the pro’s and con’s of the players we have at present.
Surely the coach should be versitile and good enough to beable to put the best team together and play various game plans??
I have no doubt we have the player depth to achieve whatever we want on the field of play, But do we have the right coaching staff and structures and vision??
30 Aug 2012, 09:56 am
@Heavens Game-154: I’m sure one of our copy and paste kings will be happy to find a few of your “hail the king” posts in June
(Along with a few posts from the rest of us….)
In fact, even on Monday, you were firmly in the Meyer is still the Messiah camp – you were keeping the faith BIG time. So what has happened since then? Keegan was dropped….correct?
30 Aug 2012, 09:56 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-157: imho, Meyer has selected those he feels will be ready in three years time, and is applying the same foundation building he did at the Bulls… he just never expected the backlash he is getting without losing a game yet..
30 Aug 2012, 09:57 am
@Transformation-155: Exactly X10000
He is in freefall….the angst is evident. Shame.
30 Aug 2012, 09:57 am
@rossoneri-158:
Hi Lil – I think they are already farked…
If you can’t beat Argies away, how on earth are we going to beat the AB’s or Ozzies for that fact…
30 Aug 2012, 09:57 am
Do not be worried that Goosen will turn into a Steyn.
Heyneke wants a flyhalf to dictate play. We saw Steyn taking it up to the line at times, so it is not as if Heyneke wants Steyn too stand deep and kick all the time. He also does not want a flyhalf to be only a running fly half. He should have all the kicking skills. Morne Steyn’s game in 2009 was perfectly balanced. Overall, the Bulls did not kick as much in 2009. It was the Boks that specifically started to use it against the ABs in 2009 and it filtered through to the Bulls gameplan with the architects of the strategy being from both teams.
30 Aug 2012, 09:57 am
@Gumboots-153: Difference is Alberts plays 7 can be slower there, don’t mind the 7 being a bit slow. However, I prefer my 8 to be faster.
This loose trio will be slow. Not even sure how game fit Flo is but we do need a fetcher. The last I heard he played in John Smit’s game at the Tank in June.
30 Aug 2012, 09:57 am
@Taahirah-127:
Must say dont rate PGrant other than his kicking accuracy he’s the next closes thing to MORNE. He may have the od day of ok distribution but more often than not goes AWOL in big games and is an easy target for the 10 channel, from what I have seen anyway.
As for Janjies he needs to man up and be ruthless if he wants a shot at the bok 10 & stop crying to the ball to try talk it over the posts..
30 Aug 2012, 09:57 am
@Te Rangatira-146: Mate, as I said earlier, I am starting to feel like I am the only one eyed idiot King in the land of the Bok supporting blind…
The irrational hype around certain players is getting me down big time… and the fact that Meyer has bought into this hype has disappointed me no end.
Farken insular, dumbfuck mentality of majority of Bok supporters shining through like a farken lighthouse.
30 Aug 2012, 09:58 am
@Bok fan-149: Thanks mate
30 Aug 2012, 09:59 am
@Transformation-144: Morne is the best goal kicker in SA. By far. It sets him apart from the line-up of average also-rans clamouring for the Number 10 jersey.
Do you honestly think he has lost that ability?
No he hasnt.
So until someone comes along who shades Morne in the weaknesses of his game (questionable defense, at-times-dodgy-option-taking, weak-passing-to-his-left) AND match his kicking acumen over a consistent period of time Heyneke will play him.
Deal with it.
30 Aug 2012, 09:59 am
@Puma-166:
He played in a friendly for Bath against Cardiff Blues on Saturday- It was their third friendly of the season, not sure whether he played in the first two as well.
30 Aug 2012, 09:59 am
@Puma-166:
Vermeulen will never disappoint mate. He is 100% player and won’t go missing in action. He is faster than most give him credit for…
30 Aug 2012, 10:00 am
@Heavens Game-168: you got the one eyed idiot part right, but didnt know you supported the Kings?
30 Aug 2012, 10:00 am
@poppa69-162: We lost against Argies, the scoredboard was not a reflection of how the game went. Same for the 2011 WC final
30 Aug 2012, 10:01 am
01 Beast/ Steenkamp
02 Bissy/ Chilli/ Strauss
03 Jannie/ BJ Botha/ Mujati
04 Etsebeth/Mostert/ Bresler (NO EFFING FLIP VDM)
05 Kruger/ Bekker/??
06 Brussouw/ Flo/ Coetzee/ Kolisi
07 Burger/ Alberts
08 Kanko/ Vermeulen/ Johnson
09 Pienaar/ Van Zyl/ Duvenhage
10 Goosen/ Jantjies/ Lambie/ Fouche
11 Hougaard/ Aplon/ Mvovo
12 F Steyn/ JDV
13 Jordaan/ JDJ/ Fourie/ JJ
14 JPP
15 Aplon/ Taute/ Lambie (No curse of the Kirchner)
Coenie
With this depth its shocking to have MSteyn, Kirchner, Spies, Potgieter and Flip in the squad of late.
30 Aug 2012, 10:01 am
@Taahirah-170: Help, we have a person here suffering from HM propoganda!
30 Aug 2012, 10:02 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-161: After Dippy Div, Heyneke truly is the King… But fark me he is doing some irrational sh.it now… Like picking Vermeulen and Goosen after a couple of games in Currie Cup…
And no, try as hard as you like… You cannot simplistically box me into your little Psych 101 amateur generalisations…
I do not fit…
30 Aug 2012, 10:03 am
@goodstuff-174: it was another saffa who didnt play at all that well that day of the WC final too..
apparently
30 Aug 2012, 10:03 am
@Taahirah-170: Goosen is a better goal kicker! Potentialy and at the moment. Steyn WAS the best goal kicker.
My biggest for this year is for Fouche and Arno Botha to be the Currie Cup players of the year. Hopefully this will put enough pressure on Ludeke to drop Steyn and Spies and it will then benefit the Boks. Pitty that CJ Stander is leaving, because he is the Currie Cup player of the year at this very early stage.
30 Aug 2012, 10:03 am
159..
In such a tough working enviroment such as coaching….I have no idea why coaches would want to bash each other. Anyway, everyone knows of Jake’s dislike for anything bulls and his love for the sharks and wp.
It is kind of funny that Jake would make mention of Aplon and Kirchener….the very same coach that always said that Ettienne Botha was too small.
Also the same coach that selected Gerrie Britz (wp) over Victor Matfield. lol.
…how did that turn out? and wait for it….didn’t he cap chilli and even make him captain?
basically, I rate Jake….but he got plenty wrong sometimes with the team looking particularly poor every year end tour and 2006 3n.
30 Aug 2012, 10:03 am
@poppa69-162: You are correct in Meyer not expecting the backlash bit. When he was appointed: SARU, journalists, administrators, Bulls players and fans, Sharks players and fans and 50/50 rugby wannabes were in a state of hysterical whoop whoop…
Those with any reservations about the man, were swatted aside as being unpatriotic ‘know nothings’.
Meyer got what he wanted from SARU, held camps, talked the talk, and whipped the masses into a frenzy of expectation…..and he honestly thought the adoration he was receiving, was how it would always be (this is because he is recognised as a saint in Pretoria….)
Tough luck for him. Those who were called negattive Nellies and unpatriotic losers, are now giggling
(The flip flopping coming from the praise singers is quite funny to behold…)
Journalists, fans, experts…all climbing into him (with him stubbornly resisting, as was expected)
I was anti-Meyer from day 1……which is why I am in no way shocked or disappointed with what is happening. (Hell, anyone with a half a brain should have seen this coming the day he announced his assistants…I mean really…)
30 Aug 2012, 10:04 am
@Gumboots-153:
Hi Boots, you are probably right about DV being able to outpace Alberts,still doesn’t make him a fast loosie though. If he does get on the field in the next two games, he will do his best but I feel he will struggle without hardly any big match play this year
30 Aug 2012, 10:04 am
@Horings-179: biggest WISH for this year
30 Aug 2012, 10:04 am
@poppa69-178:
What do the Ozzie journalists have to say about the circus here in SA?
You doing well mate?
30 Aug 2012, 10:04 am
I dont see why Jake can not pass an opinion over Meyers coaching style , we live in a democracy and what ever we say Jake has vast coaching experience and has achieved great honours and won at all levels …. A bit perplexed why Jake s achievement with a crumbling Brumbies franchise , limited A grade players , has not taken more praise from the SA community … IMO coach of the season in this Super 15
30 Aug 2012, 10:05 am
@goodstuff-176: Hardly. I afford Heyneke the same breathing room and support as I did every other Bok coach who preceded him. Will start passing judgement after the EOYT at the earliest.
30 Aug 2012, 10:05 am
@Transformation-155: Hey KingsCuntie, its not about the “Guppy Captain being dropped”… Now, I know you can read… Heck, you can even copy and paste… But farken go back and read my commentary before farken typing your anti-Shark lies and bullshit and attributing stuff to me because it suits your simplistic generalisations…
30 Aug 2012, 10:06 am
@Heavens Game-150:
Aah yes.
The bigger the noise, the emptier the head.
So what you are saying is that you know more than:
Meyer
John Smit
All other boks in squad.
Mallet
Botha
White
etc
Yes I believe.
Please share some more of your wisdoms.
30 Aug 2012, 10:06 am
@Te Rangatira-182:
I remember him running in a backline player (forgot his name) from behind to tackle him when straight through the defense of the Stormer team. He is not a donkey when it comes to speed. He will be just fine…
30 Aug 2012, 10:06 am
I would also just like to remind Jake that under him we become known as the intercept kings with endless critisizm of us not being able to construct tries.
30 Aug 2012, 10:07 am
@sharks_lover-160: Good post. For now don’t think we have the right coaching staff.
30 Aug 2012, 10:07 am
@Heavens Game-168:
“Mate, as I said earlier, I am starting to feel like I am the only one eyed idiot King in the land of the Bok supporting blind…”
correct.
30 Aug 2012, 10:08 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-180: Jake also selected JP at fullback over a redhot-at-the-time Aplon coz JP is bigger.
30 Aug 2012, 10:08 am
@poppa69-173: What you talking about you poor farken emotionally inadequate quite insane Mummy’s boy… Go take your pills man before you get hurt, Fatty.
30 Aug 2012, 10:09 am
@stew-185: Top Post. Well said Stew.
30 Aug 2012, 10:09 am
@Gumboots-147: Sad to watch, Hougaard is another case in point
30 Aug 2012, 10:09 am
Lambie is not in HM plans at all. In fact he doens’t have high regard for him. If I were Lambie I would go oversees and make some money and come back when there is a new coach, which surely won’t be that long away…
30 Aug 2012, 10:10 am
@Horings-179: That might be true. Which is probably why Heyneke saw it fit to include him in the squad.
30 Aug 2012, 10:10 am
@stew-185:
Agreed.
A lot of sour grapes and green monsters here in SA.
30 Aug 2012, 10:11 am
@Gumboots-184: hey Boet, Iife is wonderful… watching your lot rip into each other is pure entertainment, adds the BOOM to my day
nope, talk over here is how Robbie needs to turn the rest of the RC around if he is to survive, .. last chance saloon for him… there has been mention of both teams crippling injury lists, which I think has some merit..
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-181: as most kiwis and foreign visitors know, some SA fans expect too much too soon, and often build players up to a point that they can only but fail. If SA do manage to beat Aussie in perth, many will flip flop again… truly, dont think British author E. L. James could write a better sadomasochistic story
30 Aug 2012, 10:13 am
@Robzim-171: Yes I do remember now that someone on RT that lives over there told me. Forgot. So he got that game in. Think the blogger of there said it was his first game since the Barney game.
Seems Meyer is not too worried about game time rather training with the squad. So will see how things go. I much prefer a bit of game time with the players before they play at this level.
30 Aug 2012, 10:13 am
@Taahirah-170: i don’t have to “deal with it”
i was having a conversation with grant that clearly went up your nose
“Morne is the best goal kicker in SA. By far.”
2011 super rugby kicking stats:
1. Peter Grant 84.7%
2. Aaron Cruden 80%
3. Sias Ebersohn 79.3%
4. Morne Steyn 79%
5. Matt Giteau 78.9%
6. Pat Lambie 76.7%
don’t go away, i’ll bring this year’s overall stats too and you can beging the “dealing”
30 Aug 2012, 10:14 am
@Heavens Game-194: hehe Im the poor emotionally adequate one apparently, yet its you ranting on this thread..
beeoootiful..
always knew you were special HG, and Im talking back of the bus window licking special
vatso katvis…
30 Aug 2012, 10:15 am
@Heavens Game-168:
Yep….The one thing that I thought Meyer had was an undying belief in his own convictions….looks like I was wrong. He is going against his own instincts….a near fatal mistake….if he continued with the same team, I would know he does have a plan,right or wrong but he still has a plan, now he is starting to look desperate.
30 Aug 2012, 10:17 am
@Te Rangatira-182: Duane is buggered if he does, and buggered if he doesn’t. He is not match fit – not even Currie Cup/Clun rugby fit. Never mind fit for international rugby. He has waited so long for this opportunity though, and I know he will give 100000000000000% and whatever else he has left after that, but to expect the man to do anything like what will be expected of him, is so unfair it’s criminal.
Out of all the players being set up to fail in one way of the other (and believe me, it seems as though this is what Meyer is doing…), Duane and Goosen are the 2 who deserve it the LEAST. Duane was ignored for years, then it was the injuries topped up with the sick Pierre Spies fascination, and now his time has come: and he is stepping into a nightmare….
30 Aug 2012, 10:17 am
I’m also quite surprised Meyer called up Goosen and Vermeulen. Didnt Ludeke want to release any more CC players?
Same with Plumb?
Seriously though.
Well done Mr Meyer. I have faith in you. Stick to what you believe in. Its your head on the block.
I’m sure Goosen and Co wont start next week anyway, Meyers not stupid.
30 Aug 2012, 10:18 am
@poppa69-178: Don’ think your in a position to talk about poor refs.
30 Aug 2012, 10:19 am
@Transformation-202:
There you go again.
Clouding fiction with fact.
30 Aug 2012, 10:20 am
@Transformation-202: While you are at it, list the number of attempts at goal and the number of successful attempts. Then see how many of them even bothered to line-up outside of 50 metres.
Lies.
Damned lies.
Statistics.
So the fact that Peter Grant has a popgun boot, refusing to take penalties further than 25 metres out, thereby inflating his goal kicking percentages makes him a better goalkicker than Morne Steyn?
Or Sias Ebersohn having very little game time, thus far less shots at goal, is now a better goalkicker than Morne?
As you were.
Ill be here till about 12.
30 Aug 2012, 10:20 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-205: Luister drol, jy gaan maar net nooit gelukkig wees nie. Wie wil jy he moet die Bokke coach, want ek wet jou hulle stel nie eers belang nie. So hou op om te wens Heyneke moet gepos word, want sy plaasvervanger gaan probably Eric Sauls wees.
30 Aug 2012, 10:21 am
@poppa69-152: KID O DYNAMITE
That is classic!!!!!
30 Aug 2012, 10:21 am
@Heavens Game-187: “its not about the “Guppy Captain being dropped”… you can mask it with bullshit all you like, “fat spermwhale” – your words! – Vermuelen got picked and Daniel got dropped and now you’re b.itching
30 Aug 2012, 10:22 am
When you are in a leadership role…a level of arrogance is required.
So is introspection….the harder of the 2.
A leader/coach has to have a clear way on how he wants his side to play/perform, as soon as he becomes wishy-washy….it’s curtains.
Likewise, he needs to constantly question himself on how he is going about things.
There is no right or wrong way in my opinion, timing and situation is generally of more relevence.
The only real important issue in a team or work enviroment is that everyone is one the same track and stay the course, then you generally always get the result that you want.
….and that’s why I believe heyeneke will be good for the boks. There is a coaching unit that have a good enough relationship of a period of years to continuelly ask questions of each other and the team and work ethos will be second to none.
30 Aug 2012, 10:22 am
Some argument
“‘If, for example, he must choose between Gio Aplon and Zane Kirchner, he will choose Kirchner every time”!
That’s probably because Aplon would be at a risk of breaking his thumb too!
30 Aug 2012, 10:22 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-190: Yet under him Habana and J Fourie become some of highest try scores in SA rugby?
30 Aug 2012, 10:22 am
@goodstuff-207: nope, no position on refs at all, because for every Sir Brycie the Omnipotent Arbitrator, theres a Marius whats wrong with my conker Jonker, and for every drunk aussie ref theres a Gert.. (and not girt by sea)
30 Aug 2012, 10:23 am
@Stawm-192: What you doing multinic? Got a bone to pick?
Then come and pick to your hearts delight… Just dont go running off whining about big bad HG being nasty to you if you do, okay?
30 Aug 2012, 10:25 am
@Taahirah-209: these are 2011 stats, sias had all the game time he needed…calm down
30 Aug 2012, 10:25 am
@Te Rangatira-204: “if he continued with the same team, I would know he does have a plan,right or wrong but he still has a plan, now he is starting to look desperate.”
True words written here…
The Truth…
30 Aug 2012, 10:26 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-211:
Good Times, Good Times..
out for now..
30 Aug 2012, 10:26 am
@Taahirah-193: I think JP would be our answer at 15, has all the attributes, would just need to work on his kicking a bit.
30 Aug 2012, 10:27 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-205:
Agree with you wholeheartedly on that one. Meyer’s player management is all over the place.
30 Aug 2012, 10:27 am
Come on pumpkin.
I’m still waiting for you to come to Cape Town and teach me a few things. July you promised.
Whats wrong, not so brave when you leave your keyboard?
30 Aug 2012, 10:27 am
@poppa69-216: It would not suprise me you think Jonker is poor, based on what you hobbits think a proper ref is supposed to be, most likely they skip half of the class at ref school so they can go sit on Paddy’s knee for a bit sage advice…
30 Aug 2012, 10:28 am
@goodstuff-215:
yes habana did, but there were still a hell of a lot of intercepts particularly habs.
and kick and chase from dupreez.
30 Aug 2012, 10:28 am
@Taahirah-209:
We need to see the total number of points scored per game.
30 Aug 2012, 10:28 am
@poppa69-203: Go chase your own tail you sick little twat… Your silly sense of indignation means farkall to me.
30 Aug 2012, 10:29 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-213: “There is a coaching unit that have a good enough relationship of a period of years”
they were ALL 2nd choice or even 3rd choice picks…meyer knows the team he is working with is below par for Bok rugby hence he gave SARU a different list when looking for credible assistants.
30 Aug 2012, 10:30 am
@Heavens Game-227:
Didnt take long for your potty mouth to open did it?
30 Aug 2012, 10:31 am
@Transformation-212: Mask it? Mask what? You farken mad man… I wrote what I thought and it wasn’t all about a “Guppy Captain” being dropped…You dont believe me, then go read again… Now go make yourself useful and go whistle with your Missus… Okay?
30 Aug 2012, 10:32 am
@Horings-210: It’s my opinion and always has been. In the same way many of you were so rabidly anti P Divvy from day 1, so have I been anti Meyer. Am I not allowed to be?
Had Meyer absolutely blown all my ‘prejudicial concerns’ out of the water, then I would be the one looking foolish now wouldn’t I? But I’m not……it’s the ‘Meyer will lead us to water’ crowd who are looking doff.
Excuse me for hoping that SARU would have made a few brave rugby decisions when they appointed the new Bok coach and his assistants….. I.e. at least approached a few rugby brains from other parts of the world for starters (how dare I think anyone overseas could do a good job with the Boks you will probably say…)
My Bok coach wish list (and granted a few would not be interested or were in contracts – BUT: with the right terms – who knows. Fact is, this lot were probably not even approached, giving them the chance to at least say NO.
Wayne Smith – consultant
Warren Gatland
Ewan McKenzie
Mallet, Mallet and Mallet the other on my wishlist.
I had a dream……and ended up with a nightmare.
30 Aug 2012, 10:33 am
@Transformation-212: I wish I could find his “keep the faith” post from Monday. Only one thing has happened since then, that could have caused this meltdown…..
30 Aug 2012, 10:34 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-225: There was a time, but based on what the boks were under Strauli and what they were under White and then how they played in 2007, I would use “intercept kings” to describe the total White era, remember we scores 13 tries in the 2004 Tri Nations, the ABs only 4.
30 Aug 2012, 10:35 am
@Stawm-229: Is your nic Poppa too now? Btw. Note to yourself… Pic a Nic, one of the many no doubt…
Say “I Stawm, must try harder… at the moment I am not in the same league as HG… although I do try so hard to hang on his coat tails… to shine in his reflective glory”…
Here’s a nice noddy shiny badge to send you on your way, sweety.
30 Aug 2012, 10:35 am
@Transformation-212:
Spot on.
30 Aug 2012, 10:36 am
@goodstuff-233: I would not describe…jeez what is up with my typing?
30 Aug 2012, 10:37 am
@Transformation-228:
mcfarland, rassie and vangraan are all excellent choices.
Ricardo Loubscher probably not first choice…Coetzee was but that was never going to happen. And it cannot be an all whitebloke lineup…you know that. at least it’s a bloke that has been involved with 2 of the others before.
30 Aug 2012, 10:38 am
It’s just too lekker to be “on da outside lookin’ in”……Jake had a solid record overall and of course, a RWC to boot but he did some really wierd things too. A lot of peeps on here now also saying that PDivvy wasn’t such a bad oke after all and that the “Boks have only done well under english-speaking coaches” what a heap of garbage. Wasn’t Ian Mac an english-speaking coach ? and how did that turn out ?
Different coaches handle criticism in different ways, some well, some not so well…..but if any of us “outies” think we are under pressure in our jobs, just try being the Bok Coach for a while. It surely aint easy and everybody else thinks they are the expert/s…..
Haven’t made up my mind on HM just yet…..too early imho…….
Although the doomsayers are in full voice at the mo’ if, by some miracle (and it will have to be a sizeable one, on current form) the Boks manage to beat Oz and/or ABs, the fairweather Bok supporters will all get warm fuzzy feelings again…….until we are outplayed by a team like Samoa and then HM will be facing the noose again……
Ho…..hum…….same old, same old….the more things change, the more they stay exactly the same……
30 Aug 2012, 10:40 am
Now Meyer needs to make a decision about scrummy before anything else… Hougie has had 5 games so far and counting… Never mind being a match winner, he is not even effective in the role… Either too slow in clearing… too indecisive… too predictable in picking runners… Bad positioning as a sweeper… Imprecise box kicks… the list goes on and on.
Hougie is not the answer at 9. CLEARLY.
30 Aug 2012, 10:40 am
@Heavens Game-234:
Not sure where you dug up this idea that I change nics. Had this same nic since keo first started, 2003 about. Put your brain in gear and check. Email whoever runs this site and check. This way you wont need to look so stupid.
Come on cowboy, tell us again what a man you are. Tell us again how you only pleasure women.
Then end off with some Al Pacino’isms, or dont they work for you any more?
Maybe you need to write down a few Hank Moody’isms next time you spoil your self with that intelligent entertainment.
Try harder.
30 Aug 2012, 10:42 am
@goodstuff-233:
yes but most of the bok tries of 2004 were through situations applied up front. In nz I remember DuPreez stealing the blindside off of buggered up scrums and scoring1 and setting up devilliers on the wing for the other?
If I am remembering correctly. Likewise our tries at home came off of some strong forward play against the kiwis as well.
so not exactly exciting back play but good go forward ball. Exactly whay Meyer is trying to get with our newbie pack.
30 Aug 2012, 10:43 am
Bunch of girls with their panties in a knot moaning about how bad our coach is!!!!! Give the man a chance to prove or disprove himself first! He has also lost the core of the Springbok Squad of last year? Go and knit or bake and do something useful!!!
30 Aug 2012, 10:44 am
I like Morne Steyn… Can understand why he has been picked… His distribution and passing is better than 99% of Bok armcahir pundits give him credit for and his D is not bad…
But Meyer going for Goosen in such a public way throws doubt into why he has played Morne as his number 1 in the first place, never mind giving a big farkyou to the other 10′s standing in line…
30 Aug 2012, 10:45 am
Is this a meltdown I see before me?
SCHWEEEETTT!!!!!!!!
BOOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
30 Aug 2012, 10:47 am
37.Heavens Game said:
27 Aug 2012, 08:41 am
Yup, I keep the faith…
But out of all the snot en trane a couple of things stand out:
1. Us rather arrogant Bok supporters are not giving the Argies enough credit. They were very good on Saturday.
2. Heyneke Meyer needs to realise sometimes that it is no good trying to drive a Pagani Zonda offroad like a Toyota Landcruiser… And if you have a couple of Zondas available then you got to let them do what they do best. Go like the clappers.
The Bok Zondas:
1. Keegan (Keegan is not a Land Cruiser… Adjust the game plan to allow for his talent or let him go)
2. Hougaard (Adjust or die…)
3. Lambie (Just play him or send him home… Unless he is carrying an injury, it does him no good to sit on the bench when the incumbent 10 is struggling with self-confidence or if the 15 is doing nothing special after 3 attempts)
Nevertheless I reckon both the Boks and Argies are superior to the Aussies… The Argies and Boks will win at least one, with 2 against the Wallabies an attainable goal for the Boks…
Argies won t win against the ABs but they going to give them an almighty fright especially in Argentina. Boks have a 50/50 chance of sneaking one against the Men in Black.
So this Heynek Bok steel horse has a lot of riding still to do despite the pre-ejaculations from the more foolish “supporters”… Like some of us were with the Sharks this season – standing firm while all were losing heads – I’m still going to be there with the Boks when the Bed of Roses is eventually made this season. I keep the Faith…
****************************
30 Aug 2012, 10:47 am
Somebody should ask Div what advice he has for HM.
30 Aug 2012, 10:49 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-232: he is denying it left, right and centre
30 Aug 2012, 10:49 am
@Stawm-240: Checking means I actually care… Which, sorry to say, I don’t… No matter how hard you try… No matter how much you may squeal and try to categorise…
Nope, as unmemorable as you have clearly have been on Keo, clearly with no strong opinion of your own… nothing to really set you apart, I aint gonna do you any sort of justice you think you may deserve and make you famous…
Rather carry on being a sheep… a follower… One of the crowd… And drown in your faux-intellectual posting mediocrity.
30 Aug 2012, 10:49 am
Bring back the martelgat Keegan and order in the universe will be restored.
30 Aug 2012, 10:50 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-245:
Hilarious.
30 Aug 2012, 10:51 am
@Dawn-244:
30 Aug 2012, 10:52 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-245:
Well I guess that Heyneke Bok steel horse has finally bolted in the eyes of HG the Enlightened.
30 Aug 2012, 10:52 am
@Heavens Game-248:
For someone who doesnt care, you sure have a lot to say.
Come on Hank, try a little bit. You’ll feel better.
30 Aug 2012, 10:52 am
@Heavens Game-239:
I agree, with a competent 9 (Pienaar) and a fetcher (Flo), the boks will be a different team…
Why keep Hougaard in the starting spot, like you said 5 games in a row is enough. Lets hope Pienaar starts!
30 Aug 2012, 10:53 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-245:
30 Aug 2012, 10:54 am
@Jeez-254:
Unfortunately that will not happen. Hougaard is the chosen one…
30 Aug 2012, 10:55 am
9 Pienaar
10 Bambie
11 Habana
12 Donkie
13 Hougaard
14 Aplon
15 Steyn
30 Aug 2012, 10:55 am
So,according to heavens game,Morne Steyn’s defence is good??I would advise you to have a look at Argentina’s try again.That feeble attempt at tackling is absolutely shocking and he has done it regularly throughout his Bok career.
30 Aug 2012, 10:55 am
@wpstormerbok-246: P Divvy, who I have had the privilege (and I mean that in every sense of the word) of meeting a few times, is hopefully sitting back enjoying the show.
Welcome to the Karma Cafe Mr Meyer and crew.
30 Aug 2012, 10:56 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-245: oh yeah, impressive work
30 Aug 2012, 10:57 am
@wpstormerbok-252: LOL @ the “Bok Steel Horse”
30 Aug 2012, 10:58 am
@Heavens Game-248: I’m a cowboy….On a steel horse I ride….and I’m wanted (wanted) dead or alive…
#ihopeladykarmawillusevaselinewhensheshovesaflagpoleupyourcrack#
30 Aug 2012, 10:58 am
Bokke will win 3 out of 4…. what then? Good or bad?
30 Aug 2012, 11:00 am
@Transformation-260: I have uncovered a hidden talent
I too can copy and paste.
30 Aug 2012, 11:00 am
@wpstormerbok-252: geez, how dare meyer drop keegan for “fat spermwhale” vermuelen?
no the “DOUBTS” have crept into HG’s mind
30 Aug 2012, 11:00 am
The Brig’s like the last soldier trying to hold the fort at Kamp Heyneken, bellowing out the last bit of this ingrained propaganda of Meyer’s Machine Boks as the bodies of fellow believers lay scattered across rugby blogs all over.
30 Aug 2012, 11:01 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-245: And… ?
It must have taken you some time to get that post, my little amateur Quack darling… It means that what I post makes you care… That I am important in your eyes…
But I just want to point out that the date of that post was 27 Aug 2012, 08:41 am…
And yes, on that day I was Keeping the Faith….
Today is the 30 August 2012… And I am trying hard to keep the faith still… Not just for the “dropping of the Guppy Captain” but for King Heyneke succumbing to what seems like nothing more than fanboy hype… Selecting two players… fans favourites… after a couple of CC games and long injury layoffs….
My faith is shaking, yes… And that is what my posts are about.
Now try as you might to fit me like a square peg into the round hole of your little illusory, simplistic categorisations and “told your so” theories… I just wont fit.
Never have fit… Thats why I am an interesting and entertaining read on this Propaganda site…
30 Aug 2012, 11:02 am
@wpstormerbok-266:
Although, I don’t think the Brig is quite alone…He has a few drummer boys in his army yet…: Taccy, Horings, Phil72, Capebull etc.
30 Aug 2012, 11:02 am
I sense,due to the demise of their captain, angst and ennui amongst the Sharks masses this morning.
30 Aug 2012, 11:02 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-264:
Has Tac been around? I would like to get his views on the messiah’s game plan and the turnaround of support from some previous praise singers!
He always has such pertinent views and the inside stories to the Boks now that HM is coach…
30 Aug 2012, 11:02 am
@Transformation-265:
We shouldn’t be surprised by this turn of events, but I still cant help to be
HG Half Man Half Amazing
30 Aug 2012, 11:02 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-237: hhhmm, “The current Bok management team is the most inexperienced in world rugby. There is no ways those guys will stand up to Meyer. At this stage they are just happy to be there and trying not to make too many mistakes. I don’t think there is anyone there who would question his way of doing things” – jake white
30 Aug 2012, 11:04 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-245: Hahahahahaha. Yoh complete 180.
30 Aug 2012, 11:04 am
@Gumboots-256: Has his game deteriorated or was his playing aura based on him coming on as a sub for the boks ….. If my memory serves me people were baying for FH to replace FDP at the world cup – was this very premature then ?
30 Aug 2012, 11:05 am
The whole ****(ry) is in rep en roer, except for the Bullmormans…
Even the Bulls allies have turned on the ****(ry’s) coach… A shame really…
30 Aug 2012, 11:05 am
@Heavens Game-267: In the same way you explaining the hidden meanings behind your posts in ‘powerpoint format’ means that I am important to you.
Fleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep Flop.
And no you won’t fit, special needs men in adult diapers rarely do.
30 Aug 2012, 11:05 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-264: i know of your many other talents, but more of that later
30 Aug 2012, 11:06 am
****(ry) = c unt(ry)
#vlokenhellsmiley#
30 Aug 2012, 11:07 am
@Jeez-254: I like the fact Flo has been picked… A saving grace out of the latest picks that demonstrates that Meyer hasn’t completely succumbed to Bok coach madness already…
But will he actually play, or will he gather splinters on the bench?
30 Aug 2012, 11:07 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-259: At least Pdivvy had the benefit of an established team , Meyer in all honesty has a very young Bok side to deal with
30 Aug 2012, 11:07 am
This is not about kicking a man when he’s down.
It’s about kicking those who kissed his @ss on his way there.
30 Aug 2012, 11:07 am
@Gumboots-270:
46.Tacitus said:
27 Aug 2012, 08:59 am
Disappointing result.
I have full faith in Heyneke’s gameplan, but I think we lack the personnel to implement it with any degree of effect at the moment.
Basically, the current Boks are k*k, to use the technical term..
Hence, we find ourselves in a bit of a quandary.
Not sure what the best way forward is, to be honest.
there you have it, the CURRENT BOKS ARE KAK!
30 Aug 2012, 11:08 am
@Gumboots-256:
Well with the pressure on HM he wont be too loyal to players letting him down for too long. Hougaard might get the nod one last time, but if he has another **** game its over….imo
And Pienaar is knocking on the door with good performances… So dont be too surprised if Pienaar gets the start…
30 Aug 2012, 11:09 am
@Heavens Game-279:
Flouw’s also coming from a long lay-off apparently.
30 Aug 2012, 11:09 am
@stew-274:
I was one of them! He can’t play the gameplan expected from HM. If he could play his natural game then maybe it will make a difference… He has been very disappointing at 9 and I think the coach should be able to identify the problem and make the change… Like I said, I doubt he will…
HM said he is a coach not a picker – don’t quite understand his point but time will tell…
30 Aug 2012, 11:09 am
@Heavens Game-279: They have to play him – they will be in the land of the fetcher , suicide otherwise
30 Aug 2012, 11:10 am
@stew-280: and you think stuart lancaster had what?
what did robbie deans have from 2008 to 2011? what is his win ratio vs the Boks?
excuses, excuses stew
30 Aug 2012, 11:10 am
@Transformation-282:
Oh OK! The coach is good but the players are K A K. Makes sense
30 Aug 2012, 11:11 am
@stew-274: Meyer fuckedup any chance Hougie had of performing this year mate – fact. Hougaard was helluva classy and effective as 9 for the Bulls in the opening rounds of the S15 – fact. Anyone who thinks otherwise, should go and watch those games again.
Then, THE MEYER, started with his very public, ‘I want, no I neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed Fourie du Preez back to play 9 for the Boks’…..and Hougaard lost the plot from the thereon in – to the date one could almost say.
He started ignoring his own strengths, and focusing on areas that were traditional du Preez strengths. He became unsure, jittery and lost. The harder he tried to be du Preez, the less Hougaard he became.
The rot started here. And can anyone blame him? His national coach made it clear he was a desperate 2nd choice to start (and that after years playing behind du Preez). Hougaard wants to play 9, not wing, and he is on record as saying that)
His confidence is shot mate, and has been for a while. And if you have a copy of the new SA Rubgy mag handy, go and read what Meyer says about 9′s. Then ask yourself why Hougaard might be feeling ‘less than confident’.
30 Aug 2012, 11:12 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-276: “Hidden meanings”…? What is it with you poor fools… You and Transie overrate my ability to subliminally state what I am not… Clearly. Either that or I just don’t fit them theories too well…
And try as you might… I just dont fit your narrative…
30 Aug 2012, 11:12 am
I remember a lot of people saying that Flouw was K A K not so long ago… I wonder what has changed? Maybe he is playing for a better union now…
30 Aug 2012, 11:12 am
all you haters, HG included, will see your moer when Heyneke delivers victories in Perth and Dunedin…
30 Aug 2012, 11:12 am
@Gumboots-270: I know……and if I can let you in on a little secret…it is Taccy on the other end of the walkie talkie Meyer shrieks into during tests…
30 Aug 2012, 11:13 am
@Transformation-292: How I (for one) would LOVE LOVE LOVE to be proved wrong. I would be ecstatic.
30 Aug 2012, 11:13 am
@wpstormerbok-284: Shutup winkydrop… Go farken fly a kite or something slightly more useful than trying to post and actually attempt to make sense, yeah?
30 Aug 2012, 11:14 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-293:
Aha that is why HM looks so unstable everytime the camera pans in on him…
What confidence does such behaviour have on the players… The man looks really unstable… Is it only me who thinks so?
30 Aug 2012, 11:14 am
@Heavens Game-290:
“You and Transie overrate my ability to subliminally state what I am not… ”
Say what?
30 Aug 2012, 11:15 am
@Transformation-292:
If that happens then the world might just end shortly…
30 Aug 2012, 11:15 am
@Gumboots-285: The problem is trying new structures or tactics against NZ and Aus or even Argentina is not the most beneficial climate to be in …. Meyer must be worried
30 Aug 2012, 11:16 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-289: i asked bakkies 2 weeks ago if aaron smith was better than hougaard and his reply was “it’s an unfair question to ask”
we’re two games deep in the RC, i wonder who he thinks is edging the race of the scrummys?
30 Aug 2012, 11:16 am
@stew-299:
Just watch him on match day… Does that answer your question?
30 Aug 2012, 11:17 am
@stew-280: Meyer has the benefit of an adoring public, administrators and journalists (or he HAD).
P Divvy might have had experienced players to start off with…..but ZERO support. From ANY quarters.
30 Aug 2012, 11:17 am
@Transformation-287: And the SA public are the most understanding bunch LOL
30 Aug 2012, 11:17 am
@stew-286: Not so much that, but a certain extent Boks will need him there, sure….
But the real suicide is persisting with JdV at 13 and Hougaard at 9 in his present state of play….
Tell you what, even moving Zane Kirchner to 13 is a better option than our Cappie there…. And that says it all about my faith in JdV’s ability or potential as an outside back.
30 Aug 2012, 11:18 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-302:
…too true! Hurrican Isaac might be striking soon…
30 Aug 2012, 11:19 am
The next thing the Captain will get the blame… Oh that has just happened…
30 Aug 2012, 11:19 am
@Heavens Game-304:
“You and Transie overrate my ability to subliminally state what I am not… ”
Say WHAT???
30 Aug 2012, 11:20 am
The praise singers started with the coach and now the captain…
Who is next in line – let me guess – Vermeulen…
30 Aug 2012, 11:20 am
@Gumboots-296: No dearlord. He looks one small clot away from a stroke mate.
@Transformation-300: Bakkies (bless his soul) would probably say, Fourie du Preez. (in absentia)
30 Aug 2012, 11:21 am
@Heavens Game-304: Never rated JDV at 12 either … IMO the Steyn / Fourie combination at the 2007 WC was the best pairing SA have had in a while … To be honest as people of the Black we were scared of that combo
30 Aug 2012, 11:22 am
@Gumboots-308:
…and he has yet to play a game…
30 Aug 2012, 11:24 am
HM is scared of scorn and has thus kept Lambie in the squad.
He should have just sent him back to his union. He is getting splinters in the a rse…
He doesn’t rate the bloke so why the smokescreen…
30 Aug 2012, 11:26 am
@Transformation-292: I am no “Hater”… I differ from you in that I actually reckon HM’s mantra of “execution before innovation” makes sense… I also do not blindly worship at the altar of Wayne “Techno” Smith like an adolescent fanboy as some here clearly do…
Meyer has come across as a methodical, rational and intelligent coach – a man with a plan – an excellent contrast and far superior option to the little madman who came before him…
But this latest decision comes across exactly as Te Rangi mentioned earlier – the plan is not there any more. It is being abandoned… and some decisions are now illogical.
In short, Meyers latest decisions make as much sense as you normally do… Not much and vacillating on a fence…
30 Aug 2012, 11:27 am
@Dawn-307: If you cant keep up wench… tough… Bring yourself up to speed.
30 Aug 2012, 11:29 am
when this two faced arsewipe opportunistic Fakey Hero wanna climb in on the lynch brigade that’s when I change my tune and stand behind Meyer and try get the poor misinformed dude to learn the ropes quick and start swimming before he drowns.
This other 2 face fake arse snake got saved from getting his overrated arse booted to kingdom come in 2006 after capitulation of the grandest proportions to all and sundry by 49-0 to Aussie in Brisbane and 45-26 to NZ at home in the same year with a grand win % of 30% vs NZ, 25% vs France and less than 50% vs Ireland and England overall.
Yet this poor pathetic moron of a coach who needed help from every possible quarter to fluke a no contest WC where anyone with a vague coaching credential could have taken out 12 rank Fiji, 6 rank Argentine and 7 rank England to cream a pisseasy no contest competition made up in heaven.
Now the 2 face creeping cretin got the gall to come out swinging like he’s Gods gift to SA coaching bewilderment.
Meyer may be raw and inexperienced and got some serious self made handicaps of his own but this other fake was the greatest f’ng overrated charlatan blustering his way through a coaching tenure that produced some of Boks biggest hidings ever in history, till he got bailed out his non composed mesmerized moronic misfit misfortune by other better equipped coaches than he could ever have hoped to become.
30 Aug 2012, 11:30 am
@Heavens Game-314:
I’m slow that way
You have to explain it to me
sloowwly.
30 Aug 2012, 11:32 am
MESSAGE TO MEYER
Bok game plan should be the following – simple:
1) Secure basics: Scrum, lineout, kickoffs, make touch
– Also compete, especially at lineouts
2) Secure breakdowns, if opposition arent committing then drive through
3) Defensive structure used by the Stormers in Super 15
4) Have fun, play into space, offload first option if not on, place the ball arm length away and secure “lightly” ; only kick in own half, run angles, play the overlap
Select a team that will enable us to achieve this plan – Fetcher or “securer” first choice Brussow. Injured so look at alternatives Flo (good selection), Minnie, Floors has done the job in the past very well, Stegman (Needs some coaching from his mate Brussow)
Also you need a flyhalf that makes the opposition nervous on defence, Morne is not that man and hes not even the best kicker at the moment.
I know you a good coach, just need to adapt to 2012 and pronto
30 Aug 2012, 11:33 am
@stew-310: 100% right… They were an excellent combo… The only thing that came close was JdJ and Fourie for Stormers in 2010 Super Rugby… The return of the Munster Reject Messiah put paid to that once and for all… Now JdJ bounces in and out the Bok squad like a pinball…
30 Aug 2012, 11:34 am
@Heavens Game-314:
Unless you are subliminally stating what you are not …………….
30 Aug 2012, 11:35 am
@Bok fan-317: Although nothing really new in 2012, just that the breakdown has become an absolute joke and every ref calls each ruck differently from 1 move to the next, hence the importance of a specialist
30 Aug 2012, 11:35 am
Where’s that malkop Blitzbok
He’s way more entertaining than pseudo intellectual shorkshits
He tell it like it is
30 Aug 2012, 11:35 am
I hear Jakey’s bought a holiday house in Fish Hoek which he plans to retire to one day…
30 Aug 2012, 11:36 am
@BrumbiesBoy-322:
Nothing available in Aus???
30 Aug 2012, 11:36 am
Can I ***** it?
Yes you can.
30 Aug 2012, 11:38 am
@BrumbiesBoy-322:
Jake has a sugar mommy.
He will be aiming a little higher than Vishoek.
30 Aug 2012, 11:38 am
@gunther-324:
Oooo jinne
30 Aug 2012, 11:39 am
@Dawn-319: Careful… with that line of thinking it could possibly be that I am subliminally stating that you are a “classless, toothless dronkgat from the mjondolos between CT airport and the City”…. Which I am not… Clearly.
30 Aug 2012, 11:41 am
Lambie, Burden, Goosen, Vermuelen all should be playing for their provinces this weekend.
All in need of some game time.
Seems ludicrous to haul Goosen and Vermuelen out of getting some valuable game time only for them to travel to Aus and NZ completely undercooked after long injury layoffs.
30 Aug 2012, 11:43 am
@John Galt-328:
I have to agree. Why call up players who haven’t had enough game time and keep players who clearly won’t be in the mix. I for one am shocked with the treatment Lambie gets. You can actually see his frustration on the bench… Get them back to their unions where they would add value to their teams…
30 Aug 2012, 11:44 am
This HG reckons he’s a rugby fundi just the other day he was lording the heralding of Meyer the Messiah till Boks drew in Mendoza now he wanna blame Hougaard and de Villiers. This moegoe don’t know the first thing about what comprises rugby strategy. Since his darling Keegan got booted and Marvelous Marcel been showed up as another fancy boy with more show than substance he wanna go cry behind Plums little petticoat trails.
Meyer slowly turning around and recognizing his faults and neither Hougaard at 9 nor De Villiers at 13 are either. Those 2 gotta stay put as long as De Villiers carrying the cappie can because there are none other anywhere remotely qualified enough to don the captain arm band. Unless next in line Frans Louw becomes that man.
Meantime Meyer got to get the show on the road with a tough front row and 2nd row and a back row that works at the breakdown, Alberts at 8 with Potgieter 7 and Coetsee / Daniel 6 most certainly don’t.
Once Meyer fixes front 8 and fly half and full back, the rest of the connundrum falls neatly into place.
Hougaard was 1000 times more effective than Pienaar and De Villiers was the only back finding some space, not their fault the other hopeless lost in transit morons Steyn, Habana, Mvovo, Kirchner got no g’dam gas or guts or gees of their own.
30 Aug 2012, 11:46 am
One thing is for certain… King Heyneke is a 100% improvement on the insane little dwarf predecessor who was clearly out of his league from day one being in charge of the Boks.
But 100% of zero might not be much at the end of the day – especially if a coach hasn’t got the mental fortitude to deal with the pressures of the Bok job… An individual can be the best coach on the planet – but the pressures of the Bok job can boil the frog slowly…
I hope to goodness that the pressure aint getting to Meyer already and that we see his Leicester debacle as a prescient prelude to his current position…
Then the Boks are farked before they hardly even begun.
30 Aug 2012, 11:47 am
@fitz1ella-315: Hmmm… maybe. But HM now also ‘lost’ to England and Arg. Furthermore, it seems you forget that the 49-0 embarrassment was with almost an entirely Bulls team… all players at that time being coached by HM and Pote Human.
But Jake’s comments are ironic since most of the things he said about the type of player HM prefers, was also Jake’s preference at that time. He started with the ‘boks should be big rather than skilled’ ****.
30 Aug 2012, 11:48 am
@Heavens Game-313: How does “execution over innovation” reconcile with HM’s decision to select Potgieter over Daniel, sighting a horses for courses reason.
That’s 2 contrasting philosophies. As long as HM is unwilling to adapt, he can choose any players at his disposal, the end results will stay the same. Only thing different is that the Boks will fall even further behind.
If we really wanted to be fair to Heyneke, we’d say that this team plays as if they are coaching themselves.
30 Aug 2012, 11:48 am
@Heavens Game-331:
That is one of my bigger reservations of HM.
Jeez the oke looks way over emo in the coaches box sometimes.
Looks like he’s about to go postal at any moment.
30 Aug 2012, 11:48 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-213: Their inexperience at test level is glaring mate, Meyer has some experience but the others are novices and don’t have a clue what’s happening, Jim comes to Joburg scenario.
30 Aug 2012, 11:50 am
@Heavens Game-313: @Heavens Game-290: “You and Transie overrate my ability to subliminally state what I am not”
484.Heavens Game:
28 Aug 2012, 22:40 pm Daniel is the Christian Cullen of loosies… A phenomenon… Most wont play him because they dont understand him and what he brings…. But Plum knows.
439.Heavens Game:
28 Aug 2012, 22:04 pm Nothing wrong with Daniel at 8.
NOTHING!
Give him a tenth of the time others get to settle in their positions and he will make it his own…
443.Heavens Game:
28 Aug 2012, 22:07 pm Daniel is ten times the player Fatty Vermeulen could ever be…
And ten times the heart Spies could ever have…
Only player possibly better than Daniel at 8 is Kanko at his very best.
457.Heavens Game:
28 Aug 2012, 22:17 pm @I am a stormer-453: Jeezus… He was not great on Sat against the Lions… Completely outplayed and overshadowed by Josh Strauss…
You fools fcked in the head if you think that fat spermwhale is the answer at 8.
Daniel might be small but he is fitter, faster, more skillful and probably with a higher strength to bodyweight ratio than any loosie in SA other than probably Ratel
so, Meyer “must be fcked in the head to think the fat spermwhale vermuelen is the answer at 8″ and to boot, he drops the “christian cullen of loosies”
overrated?
30 Aug 2012, 11:50 am
@Heavens Game-331:
WE TOLD YOU Boks are on their way to being farked after the 1st Bok squad announced.
Wakker slaap.
Now reply with a good insult.
30 Aug 2012, 11:50 am
@Heavens Game-331: It had to come out some time. The comparison with PDV. We’re not really interested in your little theories, show us the results.
For someone on a rugby site, your arguments are remarkably devoid of rugby logic. Up your game dudette. People from Durbs are supposed to know their rugby.
30 Aug 2012, 11:51 am
@Heavens Game-327:
Aaaw
That’s so sweet of you!
30 Aug 2012, 11:52 am
@Transformation-336: LOL Transie. Expect some. Prepare for the “backlash”.
30 Aug 2012, 11:52 am
@fitz1ella-330: This HG knows exactly what he’s talking about… Unlike others who sit on the fence, take all possible options and outcomes and then conveniently crow to the rooftops like a brain dead half legged Rooster “I told you so” AFTER THE FACT… All the time….
In short I got the courage of my convictions… I dont sit on the fence of indecision and mystical veggie fed bulldust baffles brains quasi religious sweet nothings…
I say it how I see it….
I say it how it is… Not to try and say “lookie here, see how right I was”, after the goddamned fact when pink pigs are flying…
30 Aug 2012, 11:53 am
@Bouts-332: And that week there were rumours that Jake was leaving to coach England and more of a player revolt than Aussie being awesome
30 Aug 2012, 11:53 am
@fitz1ella-315: read and admire skop
jake white:
Jake has a go at Meyer
August 30, 2012 by Tank | 1 Comment
Former Bok coach Jake White spoke at a fundraiser at Emperors Palace in Kempton Park yesterday, and Die Burger have published the following quotes from the function in their newspaper today – as translated from the original piece on their website.
White:
“Heyneke’s coaching style is not a style that will help the Boks to win”
“If you can’t score at least four tries against Argentina, then there is a big problem.”
“Heyneke was always going to get criticism because of his background with the Bulls. He was chosen because of the success he achieved as Bulls coach and it will naturally play a role in the way he coaches the Boks”
“If, for example, he has to choose between Gio Aplon and Zane Kirchner, he will choose Kirchner every time.”
“The current Bok management team is the most inexperienced in world rugby. There is no ways those guys will stand up to Meyer. At this stage they are just happy to be there and trying not to make too many mistakes. I don’t think there is anyone there who would question his way of doing things”
“Meyer thinks he will achieve success by playing big, strong redundant rugby, but only time will tell”
“You get two type of Bok coaches: those that have been fired, and those that are yet to be fired”
30 Aug 2012, 11:53 am
@pompies2-333:
Wasn’t it “subdue and penetrate” at one time?
Or was that too onbeskof?
30 Aug 2012, 11:53 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-259: PDV must be loving it, Meyer sulked for four years believing the bok was made for him, well here it is and there Meyer is, Meyer’s now realising it’s not super rugby, you need to be innovative every week! What did PDV say, “If you can’t piss in the long grass………”!
30 Aug 2012, 11:54 am
@Transformation-336: What’s subliminal about those comments of mine… They were pretty straight forward and clear, no?
Transie, you losing yourself you nincompoop…
30 Aug 2012, 11:55 am
@Heavens Game-346:
Hey.
You started the “subliminal” stuff.
30 Aug 2012, 11:55 am
@Transformation-343: Regardless of whether JW is right or wrong, he does nothing to quell the idea that he’s a bit of a ****** a$$
30 Aug 2012, 11:56 am
@pompies2-333: Also means he never has to take responsibility for his retarded 30-year-old stamp-kar game plan. He can just blame the players (usually in the media) for not executing properly.
30 Aug 2012, 11:56 am
@Heavens Game-331:
What a load of bollocks
30 Aug 2012, 11:56 am
“Daniel might be small but he is fitter, faster, more skillful and probably with a higher strength to bodyweight ratio than any loosie in SA other than probably Ratel”
That’s why he went sailing downwind last week.
30 Aug 2012, 11:56 am
@Dawn-323: Dunno!@gunther-325:
30 Aug 2012, 11:57 am
@fitz1ella-330: Oh bullfeathers. Habana’s not perfect but he’s been playing well, he just never gets the ball with space like a wing should, always has to go look for work
30 Aug 2012, 11:58 am
@pompies2-338: “remarkably devoid of rugby logic”…?
Show me “the results” as you say…
Show me the evidence… Out logic my logic…
Prove to the world that you are actually a rugby fundi with actual views of your own…
Come on, be a hero.
30 Aug 2012, 11:58 am
@wpstormerbok-281: classic
30 Aug 2012, 11:58 am
@Dawn-344: Apparently the durban boys were going in head first and it didn’t go down too well. HM had to change tactics. So now we’re left with execution over innovation = going with the motion of the ocean.
30 Aug 2012, 12:00 pm
@pompies2-356:
I object.
Subdue and penetrate will get these useless Boks going like nothing on earth.
30 Aug 2012, 12:00 pm
Keep the heat on guys!
HM takes notes, he will adjust his selections and game plans soon!
30 Aug 2012, 12:01 pm
And since when is Keegan even REMOTELY comparable to Christian Cullen!
On what planet!
30 Aug 2012, 12:03 pm
@stew-342:
???
Players’ revolt?
England?
Where all these came from
30 Aug 2012, 12:03 pm
Interesting question that none of you will answer as you are too busy analysing Meyer is the following. How will this group of players compare (in terms of experience and talent) to the touring group in last year’s Tri Nations. I think Heyneke got PDiv’s B team to work with this year due to retirements, but more crucially some injuries to our only remaining world class players.
30 Aug 2012, 12:04 pm
@Heavens Game-341:
Kom k@k praat nie om kras te wees.
Maybe you were just temporarily BLIND & DEAF after the 1st Bok announcement that you failed to see and read about this trainsmash waiting to happen.
30 Aug 2012, 12:05 pm
@Gumboots-296: not at all, Meyer does look touched in the coaches’ box, a bit scary to watch.
30 Aug 2012, 12:05 pm
@wp_boytjie-350: Why…? Come, argue a counter point if you actually understand what I mean by that… and if you actually can…
Come, give it to the world… Astound everyone with your astute knowledge.
Either that or take a whiff of this open can of…
STFU!
30 Aug 2012, 12:07 pm
@Hondo-360: The week before the Aussie game – long time ago i know and was in the book !
30 Aug 2012, 12:08 pm
Another question to the Sharks fans: Would the Sharks have won their playoff games without Bismark and JPP?
30 Aug 2012, 12:08 pm
@David-116: Very good point.
30 Aug 2012, 12:08 pm
@Heavens Game-364:
Oh Keyboard warrior. please stop scaring me .
30 Aug 2012, 12:08 pm
@Heavens Game-346: you brought up the “subliminal” nonsense…i’m saying you are fcuked over because meyer dropped your guppy captain, “the christian cullen of loosie”, the boy with the strongest power to body strength bar ratel” for fatty spermwhale vermuelen!
and FYI, it is not because of “fan hype” that meyer picked duane, he has said many a time that duane is in his immediate plans, there would be no keegan in a bok jersey if duane had stayed fit all season…
now that can’t sit well with you, can it?
you have already LOST yourself on this thread tl tl tl
30 Aug 2012, 12:09 pm
@Dawn-359: Boom boom boom ! Well said
30 Aug 2012, 12:09 pm
Horings #361 – Good point. I guess White did have a slightly more experience team in 2004 but boy did that team looked good!
I am still worried about HMs tactics. Everyone lambasts White but atleast he accepted his short comings and brought in the neccessary help he needed.
I am not too sure HM will do that, he seems too sure of himself!!
30 Aug 2012, 12:10 pm
@Heavens Game-354: If HM surpasses PDV’s winning record, then you have a point.
30 Aug 2012, 12:11 pm
@Horings-361:
Div picked a weakened touring squad in last year’s Tri-Nations when the real Boks were in a “secret camp” remember.
30 Aug 2012, 12:12 pm
pompies2 #372 – For all of PDVs crazy rants, that crazy little man pulled off 2 wins in New Zealand!!!
PDVs downfall was his assistants he did atleast try and get new ones at the end of 2010(i think). Also holding on the old guard for too long. Mind you what coach wouldn’t have held onto those players!!
30 Aug 2012, 12:13 pm
@Horings-361: Good question, however, should Meyer have applied for the job if this was going to be an impediment ?
30 Aug 2012, 12:13 pm
@Hondo-358: Awesome post… You said in one sentence… Efficient… To the point…
And I hope to goodness gracious that is not what is actually happening now after Meyer’s latest decisions…
30 Aug 2012, 12:13 pm
@Hondo-358: Awesome post… You said it all in one sentence… Efficient… To the point…
And I hope to goodness gracious that is not what is actually happening now after Meyer’s latest decisions…
30 Aug 2012, 12:14 pm
I guess I am part of a minority that thinks Vermeulen is slightly overrated.
Can anyone please tell me what he brings to the table that say, Josh Strauss, doesn’t?
30 Aug 2012, 12:14 pm
@Atreides-349: i quite enjoyed this one from gavin rich
“Where the problem comes in is not so much the talent that is available, but how Meyer uses that talent and fits it into a coherent game-plan that can challenge the other top southern hemisphere nations. I’m sorry, but when he reacts to disappointment by saying the players need to toughen up he loses me. South Africa has the toughest rugby players in the world, and if being tough is all that is needed to be successful in international rugby, then adventurer Mike Horn should be the Springbok coach.
Meyer’s focus on toughness and physicality has always concerned me for it may be an indication that the years spent away from top coaching have induced a bit of a time-warp effect.There was a time when the Bulls players that Meyer had playing for him were in a different league when it came to toughness and physicality, and for both the Bulls and the Boks they intimidated their opponents as much as beat them.
But those days are gone, those players are gone, and the game has changed.
Eben Etzebeth is a magnificent physical specimen, but you don’t get the sense that the Bok pack is going to do to opponents what Meyer’s Bulls used to. All the other nations have toughened up and some, like the All Blacks, have become quite adept at playing away from the perceived South African strength
30 Aug 2012, 12:15 pm
@Horings-361:
Can’t use injuries as an excuse for HM either. Div’s Boks lost F. Du Preez & H. Brussouw with a way past his best J. Smit in the team as well, we had a mare in 2010 with that team.
I’m not making excuses for Div, just saying you can use excuses for anybody in the position of Bok coach.
30 Aug 2012, 12:15 pm
@race of tan-374: The players werent that old – lets be realistic , with the player quality and under ( for comparrison sakes) Jake the 2011 WC on PAPER the have been easy for the Boks.
30 Aug 2012, 12:16 pm
@race of tan-371: I think Heyneke is doubting himself at this point. He is not that self assured as people think. He is also not the lone ranger as some people think. For example he had the biggest support staff in provincial rugby at a stage where people did not believe in it. Conditioning coaches, a skills coach, etc.
In 2002 he put all his faith in an 18 year old flyhalf to rescue a union that was in pretty much the same position the Lions are today and it worked like a bomb. Maybe that is an experience he should look back to and try to replicate in the current situation. Goosen is that man!!!
30 Aug 2012, 12:17 pm
@Horings-366: That is a counterfactual debate.
But I think they were instrumental, yes.
30 Aug 2012, 12:17 pm
@race of tan-374: PDV made some huge gaffes. No one can deny it. The pressure was on PDV from the first day of his appointment. HM is experiencing something similar, albeit a bit later and for the performances of his side, rather than the colour of his skin.
HM’s challenge will be in how he adapts and responds to this pressures.
30 Aug 2012, 12:18 pm
willievz – Hey dude how are you today sir? I am having a terrible day at the office trying to get a project out the window to duetche telekoms!!
Anyway more important than work is the state of the Boks. Lets hope Duane rises to the occasion, one man doesn’t make a difference if the tactics are wrong and that is hte main problem.
England were a fairly young team and they gave this team a helluva run for their money. Like i said yesterday if things don’t change soon, England will womp us at twickers on the EOYT
30 Aug 2012, 12:20 pm
@Staal-59: pretty cool, you’re blessed to witness that kind of wildlife
30 Aug 2012, 12:23 pm
@race of tan-385: Mr Race of Tan, I am very well thank you!
Lots of work, but at least the Boks won’t rest on their laurels.
A wounded Springbok is not to be underestimated.
30 Aug 2012, 12:24 pm
@Horings-382: you and Tacitus seem to have the inside lane to meyer’s thoughts…i’m going to monitor your every post from now on!
30 Aug 2012, 12:26 pm
@pompies2-384: I dont think PDiv was the the laughing stock of the WORLD, because of the colour of his skin. An Australian guy the other day asked me about PDiv as he saw I read his book. The first thing he said was how big Bakkies Botha looked on TV and the Boks had a huge pack. The other thing he mentioned was how ridiculous our coach was.
30 Aug 2012, 12:27 pm
stew – Yes on paper we should have won back to back RWC but didn’t!!
30 Aug 2012, 12:28 pm
@Transformation-369: Why is it that little umfanas feel they must fib and try very hard to manipulate what I have posted into what they think I have posted…
No Transie, I did not start the subliminal thing… This is what you stated in an earlier post to me “you can mask it with bullshit all you like”… I replied by asking “Mask what”?
I was been pretty straightforward… Your last few posts have involved trawling the depths of Keo to try and prove me wrong… You sill haven’t and I know it is really grating you.
And no, I still stand by my statement that the sudden picks of Vermeulen AND Goosen are because of pressure… I also seem to remember that I said “like a fanboy”… not “fan hype”… Subtle difference, I know, but still different…
Actually now that I think of it – maybe you actually aren’t fibbing or trying to manipulate posts to be irritating… Maybe its actually because you don’t understand some subtleties of the English language and you actually misunderstand the meaning of some posts… Understandable if the vernacular is your mother tongue and not English, hey?
So, do yourself a favour… Go back and reread… Pick up the subtle differences between what I am actually saying and what you assume I am saying due to limited understanding, okay?
30 Aug 2012, 12:28 pm
@race of tan-390: Was PDiv’s name not on that same piece of paper?
30 Aug 2012, 12:29 pm
@Horings-389: He was the laughing stock because of his manner of speech.
He was communicating in his second language.
The German football coach speaks German to international media, and the Lithuanian softball coach speaks Lithuanian to international media, yet the Springbok coach needs to speak English.
30 Aug 2012, 12:35 pm
Heavens Game #391 – I am worried about the Goosen selection when HM has Lambie at his disposal.
I am also very shocked that HM has not given a Ruan/Lambie 9/10 axis a chance to play. He had chances during the England series and possibly the home game v Argies, now it is too late to try it out v Oz/AB.
To think of trying Goosen out now is suicide but maybe HM should rather go for broke now and learn this year for the future.
I remember the moustached French coach Lievremont he chopped and change his team dramatically in his first year but it paid dividends in the end!!
30 Aug 2012, 12:35 pm
@Heavens Game-391: yes, that must be it, i don’t understand Eeengleessh
heyneke dropped keegan “christian cullen” daniel for duane “fat spermwhale” vermuelen, surely he is “fcked in the head”?
no?
30 Aug 2012, 12:35 pm
@willievz-393: Some of those things he said did not even make sense in Afrikaans.
I actually liked PDiv. I think because of his colour there was less political pressure on the team. There was some pressure at some stage, but because it was so ridiculous to claim a coloured guy is racist by picking white guys it never got momentum.
I think PDiv should either get a good manager who takes over the role he struggles with or he should become the Wynie Strydom of the Boks.
30 Aug 2012, 12:35 pm
@Horings-382: No. Goosen is not that man… and I have already given my reasons for this.
- Meyer wants a young, all round 10…? then pick Pollard. Got more BMT
- Meyer wants a flyhalf with flair, attacking skills and a decent boot? Pick Jantjies.
- Meyer wants a flyhalf that can take it to the advantage line and bring the loosies into the game on attack more frequently… A flyhalf with decent D? Pick Lambie
NOT GOOSEN… FFS PEOPLE
30 Aug 2012, 12:38 pm
@willievz-393: i disagree a little, even of pdv spoke in afrikaans he would’ve still spoken in the same parables…nothing is lost in translation when he says “between the pit and the palace was moerse lot of kak”
30 Aug 2012, 12:40 pm
@Horings-396: @Transformation-398:
Well, he shouldn’t have spoken to the media at all.
They could have appointed a spokesperson, and let PDV focus on his primary job for a lesser salary.
30 Aug 2012, 12:42 pm
@race of tan-394: “I am worried about the Goosen selection when HM has Lambie at his disposal”
meyer rates goosen over lambie, he said straight up when he was quizzed about starting on off-form morne… “lambie’s best position is fullback” – meyer
meyer doesn’t want to try lambie a 10, AT ALL!
30 Aug 2012, 12:42 pm
@Transformation-395: What are you on about now? There I was pretty explicit… No hidden message… No subliminal inlfuence at all…
Chasing your own tail now, umfana…
Actually now that you mention “Eeengleeesh” in that manner I am suddenly reminded to the words of this song:
“It’s been a long long time
Since they first came
And marched through our village
They taught us to forget our past
And live the future in their image
They said
’you should learn to speak a little bit of english
Don’t be scared of a suit and tie.
Learn to walk in the dreams of the foreigner”
Exactly what that Liberator Cheeky is doing down in your Kings Country hey?
30 Aug 2012, 12:43 pm
@Heavens Game-397: Pollard does not have the boot. His tactical kicking was not that good in the junior world cup.
Heyneke does not want a decent boot. He wants someone that can counter Carter. Jantjies cannot do that.
The problem with your statement is the following. If we played American football and you could pick a guy for each situation then we can go with Pollard, Jantjies and Lambie. Unfortunately we only have 1 flyhalf we can pick at a time. Goosen attacks the line, has a huge boot, etc. He can even develop it more and if Pollard develops into a good player it will add rivalry
30 Aug 2012, 12:43 pm
HM is talking Bullsh#t if he uses a lack of experiences as the reason for our weak performance in Mendoza. The game was lost by our underperforming experienced players like Steyn and especially Bekker!!!!
How can these players be first choice if they can not even execute the basic core part of their roles in the setup!!!! Bekker cant even play for 60min before walking off like a grandpa! And Steyn damn really he is suppose to relieve pressure not induce it. His kick for goal has not only disappointed for the boks but also lost the Bulls 5 games in this years S15. And his territorial kicking game has also gone too sh#t!!!!
There you go HM 2 experienced boks that will always from now on let us down because it has been made clear that they are automatic selection no matter their performance or form.
When Heynecke selected JDV as captain he even made the statement that no player is ensured of his bok spot, and even a captain will be dropped if he is not on form, then why oh why are both the above mentioned players still there. I would play Lambie or even Frans at flyhalf, hell even Grant. Morne should of been dropped from the Bulls S15 team in the beginning of the season.
And Kirschner, sorry he doesnt so much fall in my complaint of experienced boks letting us down, I just think he should of never been a bok in the first place, not to mention a Bulls S15 player. He must be the most one-dimensional fullback in Springbok history. Pls pls pls just get rid of him!!!
And Bekker he has been underperforming for ages now, Kruger made a big step up after also having to wait in Matfields shadow for a couple of years. But look at how he started his S15 career against the Sharks – MAN OF THE MATCH very first S15 game in his career, stole line-out ball, dominated the kick-off, he left the Sharks with their mouths wide open. He was player of the week 3 times, S15 man of the match twice, again with the S15 game after the June tests against the english. He also made the S15 team of the week a number of times from AUS and NZ press sides. He has a much higher work rate than Bekker and cleans the ruck and protects the ball, oh and not too mention he doesnt hang a round in the damn backline all the time trying to campesie it down the line like the crooked old man, thats only wearing a bok jersey because of his dad playing bok.
Kruger was stable for the Boks against England, and I am sure will still improve and become a fortris in the 5 spot, but just keep in mind he only played 11 S15 games and was then put in charge of the bok line-out. Given that I think he did amazing!
Even though I think Goosens selection is amazing news for the boks, I think it has come too soon given his recent injury. He should not be burnt out like Gaffie was for playing him too soon. But I do hope that his inclusion in the squad puts Steyn under pressure and gets him to pull his thumb out of his backside.
The inclusion of Vermeulen might also be to soon, he looked a little unfit and slow in the CC games, but none the less a great player who should of been a bok years ago!!!
F Hougaard needs to be left alone, he needs to be made free of FDP shackles and be allowed to play to his own individual strengths, he is an amazing athlete with the ability to catch his opponents off guard and too change a game with his vision and individual talent! Let the boy play HM.
Even though F Steyn saved the boks on Saturday I hope that he keeps his cool and plays the baal through the hands and uses his overlap rather than throwing immature skip passes to ancient bean storks on trying to make a home for themselves on the wing!
Sorry if my ranting upsets anyone, but this weekend unfortunately shock the Sh#t out of me. Complete disappointment it was.
30 Aug 2012, 12:43 pm
@willievz-399: and be the 1st bok coach to have a mouthpiece?
too complicated.
30 Aug 2012, 12:45 pm
@Transformation-404: Not at all.
It would have been a masterstroke.
30 Aug 2012, 12:45 pm
Jake White a really solid coach. Third best Bok coach and we were lucky to have him. Started assembling a champion team the minute he stepped into the position and we also played some awesome rugby under him- it’s a myth that we were always shite kicking the ball away.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIkrrJGxK3U
30 Aug 2012, 12:48 pm
When play!ng aga!nst the Wallab!es the breakdown area w!ll have major !nfluence on the outcome. Don’t know who the ref !s but !f we can clean those rucks properly we can w!n and can avo!d 8 !n a row.
30 Aug 2012, 12:49 pm
@lieflingblou-403: Agree on most parts, except Hougaard. He is a great rugby player and potentially a great scrumhalf. Unfortunately you cannot play a guy at 9 if his basics are letting him down. Kicking is also a part of the basic skills needed to be a world class scrumhalf. Genia is a prime example.
30 Aug 2012, 12:51 pm
Next year’s Oppikoppi music festival is to be moved to a new koppie which until recently was unheard of.
Lead bands to include Guns n Roses & Fokofpolisiekar…
30 Aug 2012, 12:52 pm
Transformation – Well then we are in some big moelikheid if HM doesn’t rate Lambie as a flyhalf.
Bizzare if HM rates Lambie as a fullback, then why is he not playing inplace of Kirchner?
30 Aug 2012, 12:53 pm
@Horings-361: He still had the option of a fetcher and a decent flyhalf which are the keys to success IMO
30 Aug 2012, 12:53 pm
@Transformation-404:
When Div spoke in Afrikaans (there’s one charity event I think right before the Lions series where he shared the stage with Naas and some other big names) then you could hear he understands the game really well.
Div’s problem regarding communication was that he mixed up his idioms when trying to translate it to Engleish
!
30 Aug 2012, 12:53 pm
@Transformation-395: This flip flopper calls Duane a ‘fat spermwhale’?
Whilst Duane might not have the 6% Body fat that Spies has, he certainly isn’t fat.
Heyneke’s Gollum has obviously bought into all this USN kak bigtime and is probably sucking on his protein shake and human growth hormone as he types…
There are 2 types of athletes in this world, those with natural strength (who are usually never way down on the body fat scale, and a few extra kilos on their bods: the Duane’s, Coenie’s, Schalks, Willem Alberts’s of the world) and then there are those with ‘alleged’ strength that comes with a physique that ‘screeches’: ‘he must be strong, he is so well built”.
Duane Vermeulen is not fond of training, and I have heard him whinge about it personally in gym before. Schalk Burger, by all accounts, is the same. In fact Schalk once said (when asked about supplements) : “Beer and steak are my supplements”. Ditto for Coenie O, I would guess?
Now line those ‘fat spermwhales’ up with let’s say:
Pierre Spies and his sort….
I know who I’m going with…
Heyneke’s Gollum is just upset because Keegan won’t be getting anymore ‘piggy back rides’ in the maul.
Can’t see a maul lifting a spermwhale.
30 Aug 2012, 12:55 pm
@wpstormerbok-412: It is a huge pleasure listening to P Divvy talk about the game of rugby.
30 Aug 2012, 12:57 pm
@Horings-402: What you say about Goosen is exactly what was said about Gaffie Du Toit…
What I am saying about Goosen is that he has no BMT… He is soft in the head, like Gaffie… It has some too easy for him and he is hyped to all heaven over all reason and rationality…
Goosen has hardly played in pressure matches… His D also leaves a lot to be desired – probably worse than Morne Steyn. Its very different playing for the low expectation Cheetahs in a no lose free flowing joie de vivre game than against a top five nation…
What people conveniently forget is a crucial knockout match that Goosen played in not too long ago… Baby Boks vs England… His opposition was a little guy called George Ford who is only just making his way in the Leicester setup… George Ford made Goosen look like a fool… Goosen ended up being a prime contributor to why the Baby Boks lost against England that day.
I am telling you now, Goosen is now on his way to being a Gaffie Du Toit while real deal fly halves are already there in the setup but gathering splinters …
30 Aug 2012, 12:57 pm
@Horings-408: Agreed kicking plays a major role in a a 9′s role. But in HM setup its a prominent tactic that is also over shadowing individual talents because of the prominent role. look at Genia probably the best 9 in the world at this moment and kicking is the last tactic up his sleeve, he is a great fringe payer always catching his opponents off guard, and Hougaard has the same skills in that department. Flair, vision, great pace off the mark, and super upper body strength with an amazing step.
I personally believe that Hougaard will perform much better if he is given the freedom to play to his natural strengths. But if he doesn’t succeed at 9 after that he should be made into a power sub for the 14/11 or 9 positions to be used as an injection of flair in the last 30-20min of test matches. He has already proven his worth in this aspect of Springbok rugby.
30 Aug 2012, 13:00 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-414:
Agree, I don’t think too many have heard him speak about the game in Afrikaans.
30 Aug 2012, 13:00 pm
@wpstormerbok-417:
That’s referring to people commenting on this blog…
30 Aug 2012, 13:02 pm
@Heavens Game-415: Howzit HG.
I am not too concerned about Goosen, and don’t think we will end up Gaffieing him, simply because the circumstances are different.
Remember that Gaffie became a Bok without having played a single CC or Super Rugby game. Goosen, on the other hand, has been a star performer in all the games he has played to date at Super Rugby level.
I have not seen the game against Ford you allude to, but I have seen him play against some of the best 10s in the Southern Hemisphere this year, often behind a mediocre pack of forwards.
And he has cut the mustard.
30 Aug 2012, 13:04 pm
@lieflingblou-403: “His kick for goal has not only disappointed for the boks but also lost the Bulls 5 games in this years S15. And his territorial kicking game has also gone too sh#t!!!!”
don’t say that, Taahirah says morne is the best kicker in SA bar none in 2012!
30 Aug 2012, 13:04 pm
@Jeraldjay-407: JJ
Ref will be Nigel Owens.
Advantage Wallabies – Mr. Owens was the ref in the two Bledisloe Cup games this year.
30 Aug 2012, 13:05 pm
Best Bok side possible at the moment if all players available:
1. Beast
2. Bissy
3. Jannie
4. Etsebeth
5. Kruger
6. Coetsee
7. Alberts
8. Kanko
9. Pienaar
10. Jantjies
11. Habana
12. Steyn
13. Fourie
14. JPP
15. Lambie
No hyped Goose, Fatfuck Sperm Whale Vermeulen and Munster Reject Messiah Donkey anywhere near the team…
Then the Boks will get a 75% win rate sure as nuts.
30 Aug 2012, 13:07 pm
@poppa69-63:
you’re a fouche… oops i mean douche..
@goodstuff-78:
because the boy and his father are smart enough to know that being the 1st of 2nd choice flyhalf at a union like wp means you will in fact never achieve greatness as an individual,
because, the individual is only as remembered for all the titles and trophies he wins with and as part of a team.
no, better he slots in as 3rd choice and works his way through the type of structures which will see him achieve his dreams.
30 Aug 2012, 13:08 pm
@Heavens Game-415: Goosen definitely showed BMT against Eng in the U18 game played in PE in 2010 and if Courtnall Skosan used one of his 10 chance then we would have won against Eng in the 2011 semi final.
Gaffie never had a near 90% kicking record.
30 Aug 2012, 13:09 pm
@wpstormerbok-417: Mate, some of them just love to hate him. They hated him even when most of them had no idea who he was when he was 1st appointed Bok coach. It was just ‘fashionable’ to hate the man, and they bought it.
I am of the school that believe top tier rugby is a helluva lot poorer (on so many levels) without P Divvy.
But hey, that’s just me……and most think I’m an unpatriotic beeetch for not licking Heyneke Meyer’s crocs.
30 Aug 2012, 13:10 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-425: “I am of the school that believe top tier rugby is a helluva lot poorer (on so many levels) without P Divvy.”
Call me the principal of that school.
30 Aug 2012, 13:10 pm
@Transformation-420: I dont care what Taahirah says its not about his damn kicking statistics that are in fact pretty high or that he scored the most points in the S15 thats all great. its about his from that has gone too sh#t. And its about missing vital kicks, game winning kicks his BMT is gone! Go and watch the games the bulls lost in the S15 this year all in the last 10-15min due to morne missing 3 or 4 kicks a game! Taahirah should wake up. Stats mean nothing, if a player cant step up to the plate when he is most needed to perform.
30 Aug 2012, 13:15 pm
@Heavens Game-422: With no less than 9 Sharks starting of course.
No room for Brussow either I see?
Your rejects seem to include only players from the Cape, Bloemfontein and Pretoria?
Are there any Natalian rejects?
Pray give us your ‘bench’ as well, as the joke is incomplete without it – (the bench is the punchline here I’m guessing)
30 Aug 2012, 13:15 pm
@lieflingblou-427: At least he is not playing for the Blue Bulls. Now we can play some decent rugby. WP moet hierdie naweek pasop. Ons gaan vir Nuweland wys hoe speel mens hardloop rugby. Fouche, Venter, Sadie, Engelbrecht, Ndungane en Blommetjies.
30 Aug 2012, 13:15 pm
@lieflingblou-427: Stats do not show the full picture.
But kicking stats become an increasingly relevant discussion point if the player who underperforms is primarily (or sometimes, only) in the team for his place kicking…
30 Aug 2012, 13:21 pm
@willievz-419: Huzzit Willie… I hope you right but I don’t think so…
The Cheetahs first choice pack before injury this year was not mediocre… It held its own…
Goosen received much ball with much space and was treated as the Kingpin go to guy in the Cheetahs team…
I doubt he will get that same treatment in the Bok setup.
I dont say he is a bad player, I just dont think he is as good as the hype makes him out to be… I truly worry that he gets held up on a pedestal as this saviour, thrown in the deepend against DC or QC plus Pocock, McCaw, Reed, Higginbotham after his blood, with slow service from Hougaard and all his inadequacies get shown up all in one go… He will be crushed forever.
In comparison, we have a player like Jantjies who knows what its like to struggle behind a beaten pack, with shitservice and who still manages to shine and win games…
What does Goosen have, that Jantjies hasnt? Other than the obvious melanin deficiency…
Naah, I dont buy the hype. Not at all.
30 Aug 2012, 13:22 pm
@Transformation-218:
pwned
30 Aug 2012, 13:22 pm
@stew-365:
JW surly has to consider his credibility and his reliability as the head coach to jump boat so soon, he might be a candidate for the Aussie Coach but that will be negotiated between the ARU and the Brumbies, that may not fall into the bolting category.
England? not his cup of tea, no SA coach with a SARU experience would enter into the RFU unless paid the King’s ransom.
30 Aug 2012, 13:27 pm
Yes Jake, and your style of Bok rugby was just ******* awesome wasn’t it?
30 Aug 2012, 13:28 pm
@Heavens Game-431: I remember Jantjies and Lambie being in a U20 SA team that got beaten by Aus with Robbie Coleman at centre. Why are they now good enough, but the only critism against Goosen is one game the Baby Boks lost in a U20 World Cup.
30 Aug 2012, 13:30 pm
@Transformation-300:
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-309:
snaaks.
30 Aug 2012, 13:30 pm
@Heavens Game-431: Goosen is a better place kicker and passer than Jantjies.
Note that I say passer – not distributor. There is a big difference. Passing only consitutes one element of distribution, but it is a crucial element.
I wrote earlier in the week that, from what I’ve seen, Jantjies is probably better at drawing defenders and creating space for his outside players than Goosen, but his passing accuracy (hand to hand passing) needs some work. He is often guilty of passing behind his outside players (particularly in wider channels on the skip), which stifles phase momentum. Part of this can be attributed to poor communication or overshooting of dummy or strike runners, but here too the 10 has a crucial role in directing and aligning traffic.
But Jantjies is, certainly, a very talented player who has shown BMT on several occasions. It is just a pity for him that, in my opinion, we have a better option.
30 Aug 2012, 13:31 pm
@Heavens Game-431: Goosen gets at least 10 metres more with his boot from hand and even more from the tee. You may say it is insignificant, but it is the difference between turning the opp back three and not. If the opp back three stands deeper then some angled tactical kicking comes into play.
30 Aug 2012, 13:31 pm
@Horings-424: Aikona… The best BMT I have seen from a 10 since Morne Steyn came on and kicked a series winning penalty from half way against the BI Lions was Pollard in this year’s IRB junior final…
Goosen not even close when needed to actually hold the course, steer the ship and see a team home against all odds…
The boys got talent… tick that box…. But farksake there are already talented 10′s in the Bok setup already…
And you know what – Goosen aint the perfect 10 all the fanboys making him out to be already… For one, I reckon his D is probably the worst out of all 10′s that could be in contention for the Boks….
No… This hype is going to be a big farkup of hideous proportions…
30 Aug 2012, 13:34 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-423:
It’s a certainty that Jantjies is on his way to the Stormers
Must have been the number one consideration in the ‘show me the money now’ decision by the Pollards, if things will not work out at Pretoria, there will be enough bidders from abroad, Sarecenes for instance, or even Australia
If Sias Ebersohn commands a first team spot there, Pollard surl will
30 Aug 2012, 13:35 pm
@Hondo-440: He will make a massive difference at the Stormers.
30 Aug 2012, 13:35 pm
hahahah Jake really? Nick really? hahahahahaha the age of the rent-a-quote back in full effect……………….really okes I suppose its fun to on the other side of it for a change hahahahahahahahah
30 Aug 2012, 13:42 pm
@Horings-435: Good point. But I tell you why… I use it as a measure of Goosen in a pressure, must win situation… Lambie and Jantjies have been in those situations and truly contributed as match winners in must win games… Not as much as Morne Steyn but nevertheless they have been primary contributors to winning games… Finals actually… both of them.
Goosen, by comparison… hasn’t. Yes he has had a whale of a time in a few games for the Cheetahs pretending he’s Kryptonite… but fark me those were hardly pressure games….
Lambie and Jantjies have been through the mill, dealt with disappointment and are still standing… competing and waiting for their big chance…. But it looks like they may wait some more while an overhyped Golden boy jumps the queue because of overblown Bokfan hype…
Yup… From what I see, Goosen is on his way to being the next Gaffie….
30 Aug 2012, 13:44 pm
@Heavens Game-431:
“I dont say he is a bad player, I just dont think he is as good as the hype makes him out to be…”
Exactly the way I feel about Fransie.
I see some guys are already punting for him to be selected at FB now that he isn’t cutting it at inside centre against the big dogs.
Oh yes, Jake…never talk about the game plan of HM. Your, “playing rugby WITHOUT the ball” game plan is what set the Bokke back many, many years in comparison with teams like NZ, Aus. Yes, you may have won a RWC but you destroyed any creativity that our players might have had because you did not make them believe in their own creative ability. You would not have played another game plan than what HM is now doing.
30 Aug 2012, 13:47 pm
@willievz-437: Jeez Willie… How does one argue that point… From the looks of your analysis it seems that Goosen is the perfect 10….
Maybe he’s also seven foot tall, runs a sub 10 100m, carries a huge hammer in secret like a Norse thundergod and shoots thunderbolts out of his ar.sehole.
Btw… In your detailed analysis have you actually spotted any weaknesses in the Golden Boy… Does he have any?
30 Aug 2012, 13:50 pm
Heyneke returned fromArgentina with an upset stomach,went to the toilet and flushed down a Sharkie called Keegan Daniel.Feeling better ,he selected Duane Vermeulen.
30 Aug 2012, 13:50 pm
@Heavens Game-443:
Agree.
Let Goosen play another season or two in the CC and S15 before hailing him as THE ONE in the FH position.ambie and Jantjies both won a CC for their respective teams all on their own self in the past (2010 & 2011).
They deserve to be given a chance ahead of Goosen.
30 Aug 2012, 13:51 pm
@Hondo-440:
Taute and Minnie also seen at Newlands. That would be interesting if true…
30 Aug 2012, 13:52 pm
@nama1-444: Yeah… maybe… But with Fransie you are well and truly wrong… So farken wrong it actually should call into question your “knowledge” about the great game played in heaven…
“some guys are already punting for him to be selected at FB” – who’s some guys… You mean esteemed Keolings….? Come now Nama, you making me laff uncontrollably…
Put your cockonablock and name me a better SA 12 than Frans Steyn… Come…. Dispense some esteemed knowledge instead of sniping from the sidelines like mangy cur dog…
GIVE IT!!!
30 Aug 2012, 13:53 pm
@Heavens Game-431: Hear hear…
“In comparison, we have a player like Jantjies who knows what its like to struggle behind a beaten pack, with shitservice and who still manages to shine and win games…
What does Goosen have, that Jantjies hasnt? Other than the obvious melanin deficiency…
Naah, I dont buy the hype. Not at all.” Good post!
I find that in SA talent is judged by how FAR a FH can kick… the furthest, the most talented he is…
and one day they will discover a kid who can kick for poles from his “22″… if you think Goosen is hyped up… wait till then…he would be treated like the Soon-Coming-King himself….
30 Aug 2012, 13:55 pm
@nama1-447: See… Now you talk sense all of a sudden…
Now, just to educate you a bit about Frans Steyn then you well and truly sorted…
Then you can call yourself a proper rugby fundi
30 Aug 2012, 13:55 pm
It would’ve been much better to select Goosen for the EOYT and give him some game time in order to expose him to the rigours of test match rugby.
This may very well be a Liefling/Gaffie scenario all over again.
The All Blacks and the way they are managing Cruden to take over from Carter,is the blueprint of how to bring a youngster through.
30 Aug 2012, 13:56 pm
so far only previous Bok coach who has not had a pop at HM is Pdivvy……………makes ya think doesnt it
30 Aug 2012, 13:57 pm
@Heavens Game-445: Goosen still lacks in distribution skills and tactical awareness. i’m also still unsure about his ability to make quicker decisions. Alot of his game is probably instinctive now, so that would have be change a bit to be more calculating. I’m also not convinced that he’d form a good partnership with Frans Steyn, because they are too alike.
30 Aug 2012, 13:57 pm
@theOracle-450: “I find that in SA talent is judged by how FAR a FH can kick…”
The truth… laid farken bare. Cannot agree more.
30 Aug 2012, 13:57 pm
@theOracle-450:
Quite ironic.
I read daily how the kicking approach is hated by South Africans but then fans punt a player because he can kick the furthest?
30 Aug 2012, 13:59 pm
@pompies2-454: Now you make sense big time… Interesting point on Goosen + Frans…
30 Aug 2012, 14:06 pm
@nama1-452: I tell you what… Woe betide the ABs put Cruden at 10 and Carter at 12 – a supercharged version of Mehrtens and Mauger – then the rest of the World of Rugby is in big bigshyte.
Classic five eigth pairing… Will unlock the AB’s to the next level. But maybe them sheepshaggers not so sharp and won’t.
30 Aug 2012, 14:07 pm
@Horings-438: you see what I’m talking abt?
30 Aug 2012, 14:07 pm
@nama1-452: best way to bring a new flyhalf through is to let him play another position in the team first.
Wilkinson played 12, Carter played 12, Larkham played 15, Cooper played 12, Hernandez played 15…list goes on.
30 Aug 2012, 14:08 pm
@PissAnt-456:
30 Aug 2012, 14:09 pm
@Heavens Game-451:
Hahaha…sure you’re not the one whose eyes not to be opened re Fransie.
Let’s see how he goes in the next four RC matches. See if he can “ignite” the Bok back line on attack like he did against NAMIBIA, SAMOA etc.
@theOracle-450:
So true.
The very reason why so few see Peter Grant in a Bok shirt.
30 Aug 2012, 14:11 pm
@pompies2-454: I agree with you regarding his general distribution, but will challenge your point about his tactical awareness.
If we are going on distribution only, Lambie is hands down the best option.
30 Aug 2012, 14:12 pm
@Hondo-440:
pollard will be a star at the bulls.
i believe.
30 Aug 2012, 14:12 pm
Here’s my team for the weekend. Keep in mind I didn’t select any players that are not in the current squad traveling to Perth on Saturday. My team is based on what there is at the moment. If there is one inclusion I would of made it is CJ Stander his fit and proved himself and deserves the spot above Jacque Potgieter.
Starting 15:
1 Beast (needs to be giving us that power beast we are so use to)
2 Strauss (Get stuck in more) (VC)
3 Jannie (Also needs to pick up his game)
4 Etsebeth (Will play better next to kruger in my opinion cause Bekker’s attitude is enough too disrupt the most talented of players – Bekker sets no example for this kid)
5 Kruger (Send Bekker back to Vodacom cup so he can realise no Springbok position is automatically handed to you just because your daddy was a bok 30 years ago)
6 Coetzee (I wont replace him with Louw yet, the youngster has played his heart out and shown some talent, just needs to get his head stuck in the ruck to protect and fight for some ball)
7 Alberts (not at 8 pls, 7 is his strength – he can cover 4 lock if Etsebeth is injured and Etsebeth can cover 5 if Kruger is injured)
8 Louw (Great all round loosie – covers 6, 7 & 8)
9 Hougaard (To be replaced after 40min by Pienaar, and moved to 14)
10 Lambie (M Steyn can warm the bench)
11 Mvovo
12 De Villiers (Needs to start playing like he use to, we need his vision and individual talent not just his leadership)(C)
13 De Jongh
14 Habana (Moves to 11 when Pienaar comes on)
15 F Steyn (I know Steyn has done well at 12 but De Jongh does well next to Jean, and Steyn has proven himself at 15 before and at the moment he is needed there because Kirchner has to go – plus on the upside Steyn can launch those killer drop-goals with ease and no real pressure when he covers the back)
Replacements:
16 Vermuelen (Cover 7 & 8)
17 Liebenberg/Burden (not sure here Burden’s throw-ins are not that sharp but then again I hate Liebenberg’s attitude)
18 Cilliers
19 Bekker/Flip (Think they are both sh#t and if it was up to me they wouldn’t be in the squad, one grandpa and a penalty production plant whats more depressing than these 2 hasbeens or never were’s)
20 Pienaar (9, 10 & 15 cover)
21 M Steyn (Let’s hope the experience on the bench opens his eyes a little and has a positive rather than negative effect on his future as a bok)
22 Goosen/Kirchner (Goosen is a brilliant talent and I really hate Kirchner and I don’t want him there but Goosen is just off injury and may break rather than shine in this game and that is something i dont want happening – so maybe I’ll go for Kirchner here not by choice but to protect a future prospect)
30 Aug 2012, 14:14 pm
@Heavens Game-445: Goosen is, in my opinion, very close to the perfect 10.
30 Aug 2012, 14:15 pm
@Horings-429: At least he isn’t a true provincial blessing in disguise but a huge negative impact for the boks.
30 Aug 2012, 14:16 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-464: In 2020, when he finally gets game time.
30 Aug 2012, 14:16 pm
@PissAnt-456: Yes, to be honest with you…
the first time I heard abt Goosen was here on Keo when someone posted his “67m kick from YouTube”… even then it drew oohhs & aaahhs from our “kenners” and comments abt the best talent ever discovered… that was before the rest of us actually watched the kid play… I’m sure some know him from his playing days at school…
Make no mistake… the kid is that good… but nothing has seperated him from Jantjies and Lambie, IMO, other than the fact that he kicks furthest
30 Aug 2012, 14:18 pm
@willievz-430: Seriously stop talking str*nt honestly when the question is asked to any sport supporter whether he would prefer a goal kicker with the highest stats or one that wins a game with the right kick when he is needed their answer will be – and do you really want me to answer this for you?
Pls say something of relevance don’t beat around the bush just to have a word.
30 Aug 2012, 14:19 pm
@lieflingblou-470: And a very good afternoon to you, too.
30 Aug 2012, 14:23 pm
@Heavens Game-458:
I think they played that way when Cruden came on late in the 2nd half last Saturday.
I won’t be surprised if that’s the route they’ll take for the rest of their RC campaign now that SBW is not available anymore.
Cruden at 10, Carter at 12 with Nonu in jersey 13. Where to look if you are the opposition.
30 Aug 2012, 14:23 pm
@theOracle-450: Given your comment I agree I’m not a lions man but I feel for the union and watch all their games regardless of being a supporter or not and Jantjies has been great under pressure behind one of the sh#ttest forward packs to ever play for a SA union except for Josh Strauss who I think is a great player with a whole lot of heart and dedication. But on the flipside i think Carlos had a great influence on Jantjies so the real test will come when jantjies has no more World class running 10 mentor by his side.
30 Aug 2012, 14:24 pm
@willievz-466: Fark, Willie… Your template for a perfect 10 then probably precludes any Honiballs, Wilkinsons and Larkhams…
Pretty decent 10′s, no?
30 Aug 2012, 14:26 pm
@Heavens Game-474: Did any of those names show similar potential / deliver match-winning performances at Super Rugby level than Goosen at 19?
Potentially, he could become greater than any of those names.
You are willing to acknowledge what Marcelle Coetzee can do at such a young age, why not Goosen?
30 Aug 2012, 14:28 pm
During Super Rugby I said Brussouw was working his butt off to protect a brave but fragile Goosen’s channel.
This led to Ratel being less of a threat at the breakdown as he took on the roll of tackler first before being a scavenger whereas he needed to be the first to go for the ball after a tackle has been made since the rule change of first releasing the tackled player (refs want daylight) before you can go for the steal.
30 Aug 2012, 14:28 pm
@nama1-472: Sheezus… I hope not.
It actually scares the living bejaysus out of me…
30 Aug 2012, 14:29 pm
@Big Hit-460:
The All Blacks are now doing it by playing the master at 12 and the pupil at 10.
Works fine imo.
But you’re right. Most of the great 10′s of the recent past started their career in another position.
With Larkham I think it was more a case of him being chucked into it because of a lack of quality FH in Aus at the time. At least in Rod’s mind.
30 Aug 2012, 14:31 pm
Nama Smith will play 13 if fit, that is a certainty.
30 Aug 2012, 14:32 pm
@willievz-471: Good afternoon Willie sorry for my blunt rant Willie, I’m just a bit worked up. But I do hope you understand my point regarding a kicking who does what expected but also whats needed of him when the time comes – kicking match winning penalties/drop goals rather than having the best stats. See I don’t mind Morne misses 50% of his kicks at goal as long as they are in matches where we are leading comfortably but when he misses vital kicks in close games when we need him most well thats the big concern.
30 Aug 2012, 14:33 pm
@willievz-468:
systems and structures, willie
its called systems and structures…
at the bulls they put the y into youth and the d into development.
30 Aug 2012, 14:34 pm
and Carter will still play mostly at 10, Carter/Nonu/Smith 90% of the time no need to tinker
30 Aug 2012, 14:34 pm
@lieflingblou-480: If you read my post 430 carefully, you will note that, actually, I agree 100% with you.
30 Aug 2012, 14:34 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-481: Lol, I know, just winding you up
30 Aug 2012, 14:36 pm
@willievz-475: Because much more is asked of a 10 than a flanker. A 10 is not surrounded and protected by a pack, his man alone with all eyes on him expected to make magic while a bunch of hungry forwards from the opposing team are storming towards him with only one thought in mind and that is to break his legs.
30 Aug 2012, 14:36 pm
@willievz-483: reading it right away
30 Aug 2012, 14:36 pm
@lieflingblou-470:
i usually beat around the bush to take a piss or to enjoy a naughty steek.
30 Aug 2012, 14:37 pm
@lieflingblou-480:
Yes, like Saturday when MS had the chance to win the game and missed…
30 Aug 2012, 14:40 pm
@Heavens Game-455: Been saying it for years. Goosens rise to fame was a 60m + penalty in schools rugby.
30 Aug 2012, 14:40 pm
@Gumboots-488: What’s also concerning is the kickable penalty JDV turned down early in the game, when we were 3-0 down.
This was a difficult kick, along the touchline, but one you would still expect Morne to get 8 out of 10.
JDV, mind you, also turned down a kickable penalty against England in the first test on the other side of the touchline.
Did he turn it down because he thought his forwards could get over for the 5 pointer, or did he have reservations about Morne’s kicking?
30 Aug 2012, 14:40 pm
@willievz-484:
hehehe
at the wp they put the Y and the M and the C and the A in to development
its a wind up
30 Aug 2012, 14:40 pm
@Heavens Game-458: already happened last weekend agains aussies
30 Aug 2012, 14:41 pm
@willievz-475: Come Willie…
Firstly, I dont buy that Goosen has been the awesome match winner he has been made out to be in Super Rugby
Secondly, I didn’t see a match winning performance from Goosen last Saturday, thats for sure… But yes, Goosen has just come back from serious injury…
However all three 10′s I have mentioned have come back from serious injuries and have won games where it counts… They also had pretty decent, courageous D that set them apart from other 10s.
Goosen hasn’t come back from injury yet… furthermore I have watched Goosen fail in a pressure game… I also reckon Goosen’s D leaves a lot to be desired.
30 Aug 2012, 14:41 pm
@lieflingblou-485:
yu should go into script writing.
30 Aug 2012, 14:42 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-487: The only reason for beating around the bush!
30 Aug 2012, 14:43 pm
@Gumboots-488: Exactly like Saturday and every single game the Bulls lost in this years S15 except for the second game against the sharks where the Bulls were completely outplayed.
30 Aug 2012, 14:44 pm
@Heavens Game-493:
absolutely, agreed.
fouche’s been far and away the flyhalf of the year so far.
30 Aug 2012, 14:44 pm
@Heavens Game-493: Let’s just say we differ on his abilities, then.
But I will leave you with some stats to ponder: at the time of his injury against the Highlanders, Goosen was the leading points scorer in his debut season of Super Rugby with 145 points from 9 games. The total includes 3 tries, 17 conversions, 31 penalties and a drop goal.
30 Aug 2012, 14:44 pm
When a SH/FH or any back line player for that matter, can perform consistently well behind a pack that takes a beating, you can sommer know that that player is very good.
Danie Gerber in an EP side.
Jaques Fourie at the Lions.
Andre Joubert at the Free State.
ELTON JANTJIES AT THE LIONS.
30 Aug 2012, 14:45 pm
@lieflingblou-485:
that was riveting.
30 Aug 2012, 14:45 pm
@pompies2-489: Chrissakes… Years back I watched an SA Schools/Natal Schools flyhalf slot many 60m penalties… His name was Chris Beukes… Farken nippy too… But at the end of the day I think his ceiling eventually was Neath in Wales.
30 Aug 2012, 14:47 pm
@nama1-499:
check your keyboard.
your font went funny and is all capitals on the last bit of your post there.
30 Aug 2012, 14:47 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-494: Thanks ILUBB sorry your name is too long to right so from now on I’ll adress you as the ILUBB, if you don’t mind – and no disrespect towards Bakkies he is a sorely missed legend (that I hope Etsebeth will soon be able to replace in full and more).
30 Aug 2012, 14:49 pm
@willievz-463:
I must admit i’ve not seen much of him, but i feel he needs to experience slightly more challenging situations in super rugby and the cc. He’s not had tearaway flanks hound him. he’s not had to contend with adverse conditions. he’s not had to regain his form. All this things add to his mental composition. He’s talents and to a lesser degree, his performances have already been rewarded. Will he be a bok who sinks or swims? Who knows. I think it’s only fair to temper the optimism right now.
I’ve been punting Lambie all season. Won’t throw Jantjies away just yet. Just thought of another possible Goosen consideration. He seems to take the ball hard to the line. the downside to this is that he cuts down some of the time for his attackers on his outside. Part of his maturity will be to understand how to empoly differing attack strategy.
30 Aug 2012, 14:50 pm
@NZINCHINA-479: @NZINCHINA-482:
Isn’t he out for the whole RC? When will he be back?
Yeah, he’ll be at 13 if fit. One of my favourite AB players.
30 Aug 2012, 14:53 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-502:
It’s also in BOLD if you did not notice.
30 Aug 2012, 14:53 pm
@willievz-498: Hmmm… You do realise Pat Lambie scored 193 points including four tries in his first full season of Super Rugby in 2011 last year despite missing 3 matches due to a thumb injury…
That is nearly an identical scoring/strike rate to your Golden Boy… And Pat definitely got more ballas on D….
30 Aug 2012, 14:54 pm
@phil72-257: Oh my word, Hougard at 13, you be fooled!
30 Aug 2012, 14:54 pm
@theOracle-469: you should’ve watched the currie cup game vs the sharks in Bloem last year, where johan’s full array of skills was in display, he cut the sharks to ribbon chap, attacking the line, stepping, offloads, scoring tries, tactical kicking, 50m drop goals, ALLES!
if that boy ever wanted to go anywhere overseas, that game should be no.1 on his CV dvd…
HG is attacking goosen over one u20 game and making a meal out of it, when the baby boks lost in argentina with jantjies at 10 against australia but no he won’t harp about that game because it doesn’t suit his agenda.
30 Aug 2012, 14:54 pm
@lieflingblou-503:
no worries, ilubb is just fine.
no one misses bakkies more than eztebeth does, right now.
heyneke should call him up and let him help eben fine tune his game as THE number four lock.
and no teaching of this fancy pants new age athletic, running lock hippy kak… just a straight up old school education.
30 Aug 2012, 14:55 pm
Heyeneke is well on his way for an all white team.
30 Aug 2012, 14:56 pm
@nama1-506:
30 Aug 2012, 14:56 pm
@Heavens Game-507: I do, yes.
And I rate Lambie as a 10.
30 Aug 2012, 14:56 pm
Seriously does no one have a single comment on my team to face Aus on Sept. 8(post 465)???
30 Aug 2012, 14:57 pm
@adi-511:
do you mean ‘heyneke is well on his way to an alright team’ ?
your spelling is atrocious.
30 Aug 2012, 14:58 pm
I dont remeber Heyneke saying that JW is a tosser after they were destroyed by Australia the year befor the world cup. Lucky Eddie Jones came to the rescue.
Suppose it would have gone something like:
‘Jake Whites coaching style is not a style that will help the Boks to win,’ said Heyneke. ‘If you can’t score at least a single point against Australia , then there is a massive problem.’
Heynele said Jakes’s long stint at under 21 rugby had inevitably influenced his approach at Test level.
30 Aug 2012, 15:00 pm
@Gumboots-291: No, he is not playing for WP/ Stormers, hence the provincial coloured glasses don’t apply to him. SAffas only see colour boet, be it black and white, wehite and blue or baby blue. Province is all that matters, nevermind that the currie cup is as meaningless as what I ate for breakfest.
30 Aug 2012, 15:00 pm
@pompies2-454: “Goosen still lacks in distribution skills and tactical awareness”.
Weird. That’s exactly what made him so great through his school-rugby career and the past season. His distant kicking is only a bonus.
Elton and Patrick are definite great players. It is just unfortunate that they’re playing at the same time as Goosen. Luckily for them he isn’t unbreakable. We need good backups. Luckily for us they’re great players.
@Heavens Game-493: Hmmm… I agree. But then, Goosen was the only player in the backline who didn’t put a foot wrong last weekend. It seemed like he had a calming influence when everything could have gone badly wrong in those terrible weather conditions.
But yes, HM is spoiling his come-back since we all know he won’t play 2 minutes in these tests.
30 Aug 2012, 15:00 pm
@leeman-516: Payback sucks!
30 Aug 2012, 15:03 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-510: Yes most definitely, Kruger had the tutelage of Matfield for a nymber of years whilst playing under him. And even now that Matfield is not playing any more he still mentors Kruger apparently.
Eben needs that same tutelage and yes no one better than bakkies to do it even if its just in phone calls and talks.
I read the Sport Illustrated piece on Hougaard the other day and that was remarkable in how FDP kept on mentoring and mentally boosting Hougaard even though hougaard was gunning for his spot. Thats true sportsmanship, and love of the game, and in my opinion a true Springbok who can give that much motivation to a youngster that is hot at his heels. It made me gain a huge amount more respect for FDP.
I think we need more of that.
30 Aug 2012, 15:04 pm
@Dawn-347:
You guys are making me laugh. Shame I really didn’t think Meyer dropping Keegan would upset HG so much. “The Christian Cullen of loosies”. Hahahahahaha
30 Aug 2012, 15:05 pm
@lieflingblou-514: You would rather have JdV at 12 than Frans because you reckon JdJ plays better outside the former…? BUZZZZZZZZ…. BIG RED BUZZER…
Aikona… JdV and JdJ have hardly set the world alight as a centre combo and they certainly NOT going to win any games for the Boks against the Wobblies or ABs….
Frans Steyn is one of the first names on the team sheet… At 12… The moment King Heyneke moves him to 15 in order to accommodate JdV at 12 then I will tell you this will be the exact moment HM’s world falls apart as Bok coach.
30 Aug 2012, 15:05 pm
@pompies2-348: HM lead a attempted coe in 2006 EOYT to take White’s job, just for him to win the WC the year after, who smiled then. No, I think HM is the bigger *** hole!
30 Aug 2012, 15:05 pm
@Heavens Game-493: “Firstly, I dont buy that Goosen has been the awesome match winner he has been made out to be in Super Rugby”
forget what you “buy” or you don’t, start by watching the Highlanders match Goosen got injured in, he was in the act of scoring a try – just a reminder.
the boy had been controlling the game beautifully and lo and behold, when he came off and sias came on, the contest changed, the landers went from 20 – 6 to 20 all within minutes..
you want to cherry pick games but don’t want to acknowledge that before goosen was injure he led the WHOLE league in goals converted, metres gained and ANY yardstick you have for a 10…
30 Aug 2012, 15:06 pm
@Heavens Game-522: Last I checked we won quit a few game swith JDV at 12, also Steyn is a great 15, your obsolute judgement is not sound.
30 Aug 2012, 15:07 pm
Can anybody who watched Vermeulen and Goosen say with full confidence that it was the right thing that Meyer has done by taking them to Australasia?
Both AC and Naka did not seem to please by it in interviews. Naka sounded actually very pissed off in the radio interview I heard. AC, as always, was very diplomatic about the whole thing. Both were of the opinion that their respective player is not ready yet and needs more game time in the CC.
Is it a case where the medic/fitness trainer of the national squad overule the people at provincial level or what?
30 Aug 2012, 15:07 pm
@adi-511: Pls stop that racist talk and grow up, maybe even go have tea with Julius Malema! If that is even remotely true why did HM buy Habana from the Lions and turn him into a super star at the Bulls and for the boks?
Doesn’t seem like the work of a white supremacist coach to me. He has his faults as a coach but he is definitely not focused on colour.
30 Aug 2012, 15:10 pm
@lieflingblou-520:
your writing is top drawer nail on the head stuff, keep it up.
riveting
just riveting
30 Aug 2012, 15:10 pm
@Transformation-524: What kind of subjective bullshit you now trying to gooi into the Goosen pot, running around like a Transkei fishing gilly…
Transie, umfanawami, you actually starting to embarrass yourself now…
All because I caught you out with those fibs of yours, eh? Ag shame, lalela umtwana
30 Aug 2012, 15:11 pm
Goosen best 10 prospect I have ever seen…..if he comes through as I believe he will, Bok rugby will be blessed….
Rotation neccessary, Boks now have 3 10 s ….Goosen, Jantjes and Lambie…..best to send M Steyn to Japan ….or France…. or Outer Mongolia….
Because he is the problem numero uno in Bok set up.
Slowly my dreams coming true…..ridding Bok rugby of the 3 biggest wallys ever……Plod, Spies and M Steyn….
2 down….1 to go…
Keegan Daniels has been treaded poorly…..but even worse is Jantjes …..
Poor Lambie dont know what the fark is potting…is he a 10? A 15 ?
The utility tag is a killer….
But I am so farken happy F Louw is called up I will happily forgive HM….at least we have a proper opensider in the squad.
30 Aug 2012, 15:11 pm
@lieflingblou-465: I would not be surprised to see Meyer move F.Steyn to 15, it would suit his gameplan to have a meteoric boot at the back.
The question however is why within the context of his gameplan does he persist with a scrum-half who can’t kick at 9?
30 Aug 2012, 15:11 pm
@Heavens Game-522: Fair comment but read why I moved them there, it wasn’t by choice. I would keep Frans at 12 if we could but there is no other option given the current squad.
Would you rather keep Kirchner at 15 then, if not who else will you move to 15? keep the current squad in mind.
30 Aug 2012, 15:11 pm
@lieflingblou-527: He did select JJ above JDJ, which was unexpected due to the fact that JDJ is a proven international and JJ is a complete noob that has not yet proved himself at SR level.
But no, I don’t think he is racist, just provincialist.
30 Aug 2012, 15:12 pm
@lieflingblou-520: Truth.
30 Aug 2012, 15:12 pm
@nama1-526:
watched Vermeulen and Goosen last Saturday
30 Aug 2012, 15:13 pm
@goodstuff-525: Aaah an educated man that knows his stuff.
30 Aug 2012, 15:14 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-528: Thanks again ILUBB
30 Aug 2012, 15:15 pm
@nama1-526: it feels like he selected them to placate the critics, can he really be thinking of starting them? I don’t think that’s wise, similarly Francois Louw has had no game time.
30 Aug 2012, 15:16 pm
@goodstuff-519: you relaise Heyneke did not say anything of that kind. JW has no class, he attacked PdV and now he is attacking Heyneke. Whats next, he is going to tell us that the players are coaching ?
30 Aug 2012, 15:17 pm
@Big Hit-531: I’m not sure i guess it’s because Hougaard is a true natural talent a wild lion at heart, and well Heynecke will learn the hard way you can’t cage a lion because it will loose it’s soul.
By this I mean that Heynecke is trying to mold a natural talent rather than letting it flourish. A kicking game in my opinion doesn’t necessarily have to be controlled by a 9.
30 Aug 2012, 15:18 pm
@lieflingblou-536: Thank you kind sir, you too show a knowledge rare amongst the kind of punters found on this blog.
I do believe HM has surrounded himself with dwarfs of the game instead of giants. Surely there are more experienced staff available especially at backline coach? Laubsher just makes me cringe, all I see is his face on the cover of the newspaper when the Staaldraad story broke!
30 Aug 2012, 15:18 pm
@lieflingblou-520:
It is that annointment of Hougie at SH by FdP that sees him as no. 1 scrummy today.
How do you rate his scrum half play so far this year?
30 Aug 2012, 15:18 pm
@Bouts-518: It remains to be seen how that tactical acumen translates into the highest level of rugby union.
30 Aug 2012, 15:19 pm
@goodstuff-525: Yeah… we have? When…? I seem to remember the last time JdV played 12 for the Boks was against Aus… WC QF… And dear Donkey Jean covered himself in absolute “glory” with one of the few times he actually passes the ball… by passing the ball forward to Pat Lambie in the open… Come now, your granny would probably do a better job of passing the ball…
And thats not to mention his dire contribution on D when the Ozzies managed to break through and score the only try of the match…
Come now… you cant be this blind not to realise that JdV passed his sell by date already after Munster sent him homeward ta think again….
30 Aug 2012, 15:19 pm
@leeman-539: HM did try and steal JW’s job in 2006, so yes HM is the bigger ***!
30 Aug 2012, 15:20 pm
@nama1-526: both should be at home playing CC imo Nama
30 Aug 2012, 15:21 pm
@lieflingblou-532: 15…? None other than Lambie… Simple.
30 Aug 2012, 15:22 pm
@goodstuff-541:
How does van Graan as “attack coach” make you feel?
30 Aug 2012, 15:22 pm
@Big Hit-538:
no, not really about goosen as much as it is about morne. meyer wont play the injured player, he just wants to tell morne to wake up.
same for the flank, its his way of telling coetzee, potgieter and willem to catch a wake up.
30 Aug 2012, 15:22 pm
@Heavens Game-529: this has nothing to do with you being a Rhodesian refugee “When-we” who ran to Natal with his tail between the legs when Mugabe’s Chimurenga came seething.
stick to the “facts” the Baby Boks didn’t lose to England BECAUSE goosen got outplayed by Ford!
i could come out and say we lost because Paul Jordaan was raped by Christian Wade and should not be considered for Bok honours based on the JWC game!
you’re talking kak as always, blaaadyshit “When-we”
30 Aug 2012, 15:22 pm
@nama1-548: Very nervous!
30 Aug 2012, 15:23 pm
@Heavens Game-529: this has nothing to do with you being a Rhodesian refugee “When-we” who ran to Natal with his tail between the legs when Mugabe’s Chimurenga came seething.
stick to the “facts” the Baby Boks didn’t lose to England BECAUSE goosen got outplayed by Ford!
i could come out and say we lost because Paul Jordaan was raped by Christian Wade and should not be considered for Bok honours based on the JWC game!
you’re talking kak as always, blaaadyshit “When-we”
30 Aug 2012, 15:23 pm
@lieflingblou-540: I agree that a kicking game doesn’t have to be controlled by a 9 but when you have a 9 who is not a natural box-kicker it puts unnecessary pressure on the 10.
Within the context of Meyer’s gameplan, imo it makes more sense for Pienaar to start at 9.
It seems like Meyer wants Hougaard to develop into the next FDP but they are two very different types of player.
30 Aug 2012, 15:24 pm
@grant10-530: More than Morne’s form and ability, there’s a serious lack of quality backline coaches. The even bigger obstacle is the prevailing mindset of what Bok rugby should be about. Instill the correct playing mindset at senior school level and this will filter into senior rugby.
Another problem is the boxing of players into certain positions, especially at junior level, where a tall player automatically is told to be a lock, a bigger boy, a prop, the best kicker, the flyhalf, the smallest, the scrummie, and the fastest the wing. Children should learn the proper concept of rugby and this can only be achieved if they are exposed to all facets.
30 Aug 2012, 15:26 pm
@nama1-526: No… And I tell you its the first sign of Bok Coach insanity… I just hope that this is just a rare blip and that King Heyneke aint succumbing so early in his tenure… Then the Boks are absolutely farked up beyond repair under this regime….
Strues Bob, if the Fat SpermWhale runs on at 8 next week against the Wobblies and Goosen at 10 then we well and truly FUBAR.
30 Aug 2012, 15:26 pm
@goodstuff-533: I’m not so sure of that, I think its the media and publics most obvious and easiest attack on him. Think about it if he was a provincialist why did he not also pick Kruger above the obviously out of form Bekker?
Kruger has been the top performing 5 lock in the country and the S15 this season. he has an immense work rate. managed to make Aviva premiership season 2 years in a row when he was in the UK playing for Northampton. Also made S15 man of the match twice this season very fist S15 of the season as well as his forst S15 game of his career. As well as S15 team of the week on a whole number of occasions (from the NZ and AUs press as well as the SA press). Now what has Bekker done this season except for except positive cape press ensuring him of his bok place now that Matfield has retired. (If you ask me the Cape media is a bunch of provincialists). Always pushing province **** all over the place.
If the Ausies, Kiwis and Northerners rate Kruger so much then why is he second to old man Bekker. Pls tell me why?
30 Aug 2012, 15:27 pm
@Transformation-509: Judging from your commentary, that performance must have been as Jantjies was for the Lions playing away in Canberra vs Brumbies in 2011… also attacking the game line, stepping and offloading aka SBW… Lions won for the first time in Australia against the Brumbies in that game…
Like I said mfowethu, Goosen IS that good… but what I don’t get is one player being given all the accolades while another player, who is currently playing very well and works just as hard, is not even given the time and place…
In PE, Morne had a terrible day with the boot… missing easy kicks which he normally could have kicked with his eyes closed… on the bench was Jantjies who, in his last 3 games just before the S15 break, had a 100% kicking record, but he was never brought in… mind boggling I tell ya..
30 Aug 2012, 15:28 pm
@Big Hit-553: aaron smith is not a natural box-kicker, you think carter is under unnecessary strain?
30 Aug 2012, 15:29 pm
@goodstuff-541: I think he should get Carlos Spencer involved with coaching the Boks backs. He did wonders for the Lions as well as for Jantjies. Plus there is no better way than f#cking the Kiwis over than by employing an ex Kiwi who was in fact a master at the ABs running game.
30 Aug 2012, 15:31 pm
@theOracle-557: i agree, do you recall the same clamour from Bok fans that Jantjies was benched for the full 80 as there is now that Lambie is apparently “growing trees in his backside”?
30 Aug 2012, 15:31 pm
@Transformation-558: NZ don’t play a kicking game whereas Meyer’s gameplan is reliant upon it.
30 Aug 2012, 15:32 pm
@Transformation-552: Hehehe… Umtwana, now I know that I really pissed you off
When you gobbling like a blowfish grasping and trying too hard to find the words to say because you looking more and more foolish with every post…. Bob’s your uncle and out pops “Rhodesian”…
Next its maybe “agent”…
or how about cry “racist”…?
Like every good little ZANU fanboy does….
Eish, its to easy to categorise and generalise your kind, ne…
ntc ntc ntc ntc tl tl tl tl
30 Aug 2012, 15:33 pm
@Heavens Game-544: The great HG is a chop! The try was as a result of a turnover (illiegal one) on our line after a lineout where the Ozzie lock runs over Smit and M Steyn you idiot, check your facts! Yes the pass was forward (but some would debate that).
30 Aug 2012, 15:34 pm
@Big Hit-538:
I hope he doesn’t start them BH.
The bad thing about him not starting them, while having them for two weeks in the squad before going overseas for another two weeks however, is that he has now denied them the opportunity to play at least 4 CC matches in order for them to get match fit.
How is he going to gauge now if they are ready for a test? Their performances in practises?
30 Aug 2012, 15:35 pm
@Heavens Game-547: And then who’s your 10?
Steyn?
I’m sorry he doesn’t deserve it – he deserves to veel the bench. Till he regains the ability to win matches and direct a backline.
Goosen?
You want him ruined like Gaffie was ruined?
Here’s the current squad incase you don’t know whats available in Perth:
Zane Kirchner, Pat Lambie, Bryan Habana, Lwazi Mvovo, Jean de Villiers, Francois Steyn, Juan de Jongh, Morne Steyn, Johan Goosen, Ruan Pienaar, Francois Hougaard, Jano Vermaak, Duane Vermeulen, Willem Alberts, Marcell Coetzee, Francois Louw, Jacques Potgieter, Juandre Kruger, Eben Etzebeth, Flip van der Merwe, Andries Bekker, Pat Cilliers, Tendai Mtawarira, Jannie du Plessis, Dean Greyling, Adriaan Strauss, Tiaan Liebenberg, Craig Burden
Now you care to answer the 10/15 debate again.
30 Aug 2012, 15:36 pm
@lieflingblou-556: Your argument is soundproof, I have to agree. I did forget about that selection, maybe he went out of favour after the England draw?
I too rate Kruger above Bekker, much more calm about him, Bekker gets crazy if things go wrong.
30 Aug 2012, 15:37 pm
@nama1-564: it does seem very amateur, maybe he’ll give them game time off the bench to try to get them right.
Having unnecessarily whisked them away from CC duty it is probably the most prudent course of action open to him.
30 Aug 2012, 15:37 pm
@nama1-542: Its terrible this season it was for the bulls as much as it is for the boks. but I dont think its because he has lost his form I think its because he is being forced into a mode of playing that doesn’t suite his natural talents.
30 Aug 2012, 15:41 pm
So what about the following scenario.
HM will select the same back line that started against the Argies with Pienaar, Lambie and JdJ on the bench.
After 60 minutes:
Pienaar comes on as SH, Hougaard moves to the right wing, Habana moves over to the left wing, Mvovo leaves the field.
JdJ comes on as outside centre, JdV moves to inside centre, Fransie moves to FB, Kirchner leaves the field.
Lambie collects more splinters because HM want Morne to get his confidence back.
30 Aug 2012, 15:43 pm
@Big Hit-553: You’re right and given the game plan it makes more sense to start Pienaar. But if Pienaar F#cks out as he has done before do you take him off and bring Hougaard on at 9?
Or do you start Hougaard, who even on a day with a terrible kicking game still harbors the ability to make a difference and win a game through individual. And move him to the wing when the kicks are sopur and bring on Pienaar?
See i am also caught up here, but if you ask me on a bad day Hougaard still has more too offer than Pienaar if he also has a bad day.
So I think I will start Hougaard and if the kicks don’t work bring Pienaar on for Mvovo rather early and put Hougaard on the wing.
30 Aug 2012, 15:46 pm
@lieflingblou-565: Chap… Dont get cheeky with me… I already posted a Bok team earlier on in the thread… You want to know what I got as my ideal team then go look there… I also have posted quite a few comments on Goosen and why he should not be Bok 10….
Now, I was courteous enough to reply to your post begging for comments about your team… I also thought my comment was also quite kind and reasonable especially considering the generally scatty farken reasoning behind more than a few of your selections….
It is obvious that you do not have the courtesy or maybe even the ability to follow this thread properly and realise what other individuals may have commented about already….
So… in very, very simple terms… Goebaai.
30 Aug 2012, 15:49 pm
@nama1-569: Sheezus Nama… You definitely now on the Richtersveld papsak…
Farken mad…
And Im outtahere for now.
30 Aug 2012, 15:50 pm
@lieflingblou-568:
What is the name of that centre again? The one who left the Bulls and signed with the Cheetahs for next year because he was “forced into a mode of playing that doesn’t suite his natural talents” or style?
Yet, Hougie has signed an extension of his contract for another two years, I think.
Why stay in a set up that does not suit your playing style? Is it to ensure Bok selection?
30 Aug 2012, 15:51 pm
I think us South Africans should get the Gaffie chip off our shoulder.
The Gaffies are the exception, not the rule.
Modern players play their best international rugby when they are new to the scene and when their bodies have been spared years of bumps and bruises.
Look no further than Schalk Burger – IRB player in 2004, aged 21, in first full season of international rugby.
30 Aug 2012, 15:53 pm
@Big Hit-561: really?
why do the stats tell us differently?
new zealand have kicked the ball more than the boks in the past 2 year, FACT…
30 Aug 2012, 15:53 pm
Nama Smith is back for the first Argie test, he is a superb player the Ab backline will convert more with him there.
30 Aug 2012, 15:54 pm
@Heavens Game-571: there is no cheek intended.
And if i have scatty farken reasoning pls highlight that to me, in regards to the current squad. This is after all a forum where we can debate openly or not? And yes I did indeed ask for comments on my selection openly therefore I am ready to receive the commentary so pls give it to me.
And just to make this clear the thread is quite long by now and yes I have read almost every single post there is too such an extent I am hardly working today. So pls because its so long point out the areas you are referring to. And read my post well again I’m not attacking you I am merely asking who else would you play at 10/15 given the current squad which has been confirmed and that will be traveling to Perth on Saturday.
Thats the question.
30 Aug 2012, 15:54 pm
@Heavens Game-572:
Anything is possible with Herr Heyneke at the helm, it seems.
30 Aug 2012, 15:55 pm
Our problem is not with 9,10 and 15…. It is with our teddy bear tight 5 being slapped around!!!!!!!!!!! no back line player or loose forward will make any difference to the result!!!
30 Aug 2012, 15:55 pm
@Heavens Game-562: thank you, now i know i’ve got you as you’re no longer spouting kak about goosen, bwahla
“i could come out and say we lost because Paul Jordaan was raped by Christian Wade and should not be considered for Bok honours based on the JWC game! ”
“christian cullen of loosies” dropped, ag shampies
30 Aug 2012, 15:56 pm
@nama1-573: Not sure, well i hope not.
Ludeke however as a coach has proved to be more expansive than Meyer, my guess is just that Ludeke after loosing so many key players last year opted for a more conservative game plan this season.
30 Aug 2012, 15:58 pm
@Heavens Game-572:
Goebaai
30 Aug 2012, 15:58 pm
@NZINCHINA-576:
Thanks.
That’s great news for you guys then. Not so good news for us who play you a week later, I guess.
@lieflingblou-577:
Don’t let HG get to you.
Hy is maar so. So gemaak en gelaat staan.
30 Aug 2012, 15:59 pm
@Dawn-582: I second that, angry comment on a blog made for open debate and then running off
30 Aug 2012, 16:00 pm
@nama1-583: Not worried at all but thanks for the support.
30 Aug 2012, 16:01 pm
@lieflingblou-577:
Moenie worry nie
If he doesnt have an answer he resorts to insults.
30 Aug 2012, 16:03 pm
@Dawn-586: I realised that. Maybe he realised that he was contradicting himself and that he never really took a look at the squad selected to go to Perth.
30 Aug 2012, 16:05 pm
@NZINCHINA-576: Snakey is amazing. He was incredible this year for the Hurricanes, but grows an extra leg when playing in black.
30 Aug 2012, 16:06 pm
@Transformation-552: I will play him any day at outside centre. Move FRansie to full back and de Villiers inside centre.
30 Aug 2012, 16:10 pm
@Transformation-575: Different type of kicking game, Transie.
But you knew that already
30 Aug 2012, 16:11 pm
@lieflingblou-581:
No, I think it was HM who, as DOR at the Bulls, decided that they must change their game plan at the Bulls and play a more open style of rugby. He then went out to buy JJE and the other centre from WP because he saw in them the right players to introduce his new game plan at the Bulls.
Transie may be able to help out here.
Don’t know why he went back into the laager when he was appointed Bok coach.
30 Aug 2012, 16:11 pm
@Zandberg Jansen-589: Agree with Frans at 15 and De Villiers at 12. But I dont think Jordaan is ready yet, needs another season IMO. De Jongh at 13 for this test in regards to the current squad.
Jordaan however is a legend in the making if it wasn’t for his consistant performance in the junior World Cup and his absolute solid defense, the junior boks would not of beat England because he was doing cover defense all over the field cause the forwards pack was vrot most of the time. Except in the final. Also they had the most shocking line-out display i have ever witnessed. but luckily they sorted that out in the final as well.
30 Aug 2012, 16:12 pm
@nama1-573: Remember Sadie that left Stormers? It is him that is leaving Bulls to play for Cheetahs.
@nama1-569: Probably will happen, except JdJ and Lambie will be left on the bench the whole game. Think they both there only to cover if a player picks up a injury. Not if a player is not playing well.
Just reading the papers and there they say it was a travesty that Lambie had remained in his tracksuit for two tests in a row when the game in both tests against Arg cried out for fresh young blood to invigorate the attack. As everyone could see Morne offered nothing.
So doubt very much that Lambie or JdJ will be used unless there is a injury. Well it seems that way to me, Not even if the players they are covering are not playing up to standard. Seems Meyer will keep those players on no matter what.
30 Aug 2012, 16:13 pm
@rossoneri-588:
This the scrummy that played on Saturday?
Also caught my eye.
30 Aug 2012, 16:16 pm
@lieflingblou-592: Just a pity that the “master-maid-game-plan” of “Heineken Viljoen (HM)” won’t warrant such positional changes. Won’t have any impact.
30 Aug 2012, 16:17 pm
I do think HM has the wrong game plan, but am hoping it’s still early days and he will break from his conservatism once he has a few more tests behind him. However, for this to happen, he will have to do some winning, and against the ABs this year, I don’t see it.
He has been very unfortunate to loose players to injury:
Props: Coenie
Hookers: Bismark, Chilli
Locks: Pieter Steph-Du Toit
Flanks: Burger, J Smith, Brossouw, Kolisi
Eighthmen: Spies, Vermeelen
Flyhalf: Goosen
Wings: Basson, JPP
Fullback: Taute
So next year, barring further injury, his team may look like:
15. Taute/ Lambie
14. JPP
13. JDV/ deJong
12. F Steyn/ J Serfontein
11. JJ Englebreght/ Habana banana
10. Goosen (please no Morne)
9. Hougard/ Pienaar
8. Vermeelen
7. J Smith/ Alberts
6. Burger/ Coetzee
5. Bekker/ Kruger/ Du Toit
4. Etzebeth
3. Coenie/ Du Plesis
2. Bismark/ Strauss
1. Beast/ Kitshoff
30 Aug 2012, 16:17 pm
“mind”… time to knock-off and $#-off
30 Aug 2012, 16:17 pm
@lieflingblou-592: I think Jordaan is ready right now. Somehow he will be over looked by Meyer I think.
Agree he saved our butts against England in that JWC game.
Watched the Sharks/Reds game last night and damn that was a awesome try by Jordaan after Keegan had off-loaded to him. Jordaan and Whitehead in that play off game were superb. Really looking forward to seeing Jordaan and Fransie playing together at the Sharks.
30 Aug 2012, 16:17 pm
@Zandberg Jansen-589:
He’s good but he needs more time in top flight rugby. A full season of S15 will be more beneficial for his development then selecting him for the Boks now.
30 Aug 2012, 16:18 pm
@Puma-593: “Just reading the papers and there they say it was a travesty that Lambie had remained in his tracksuit for two tests in a row when the game in both tests against Arg cried out for fresh young blood to invigorate the attack”
were these Debben papers by any chance?
30 Aug 2012, 16:21 pm
@Dawn-594: snakey – conrad smith
30 Aug 2012, 16:24 pm
@nama1-591: Not so sure about that. HM was only appointed DOR in 2011. The year the bulls were pathetic and only sticking to the seasoned players that were all over played, remember they did not even make the play-offs in 2011. So that makes for a conservative game plan last year and this year at the Bulls with Heynecke Meyer as DOR.
Ludeke was at the helm in 2009 61-17 Bulls beat Chiefs Bulls 8 tries to the chiefs 2) – thats expansive if you ask me and 2010 – final 25-17 Bulls beat Stormers – No HM then.
30 Aug 2012, 16:25 pm
@Transformation-600: Transie if you were coach would you have left Morne on? Be honest would you have after seeing how he offered nothing? Would you have tried out Lambie? He was right there on the bench.
I suppose you would not have either. If you having a laugh at it then you too would have kept Morne on……..
Morne has not offered much since 2010. Yet he is still there.
30 Aug 2012, 16:26 pm
@Transformation-600: one thing you can never accuse Puma of, that is not being loyal to his players
30 Aug 2012, 16:27 pm
Good heavens, you should see these one legged blokes on bikes in the velodrome!
Incredible stuff happening in London.
30 Aug 2012, 16:28 pm
@Puma-593:
Johan Sadie…that’s right.
Thanks Puma.
@Puma-593:
I can honestly see HM moving Frans to FB and bringing de Jongh in at centre.
Morne will probably have to play even poorer than last week, if that’s possible, for Lambie to get game time. All he needs to do is to kick over his first three attempts at goal and Lambie won’t get any game time.
I know how you feel. I felt the same way in the 3rd test vs England when Jantjies collected splinters while Morne was playing poorly..
30 Aug 2012, 16:28 pm
@Puma-603: Transie would have played jantjes, and never had Lambie close to a Bok team
30 Aug 2012, 16:29 pm
@Puma-603:
Hi Puma
30 Aug 2012, 16:30 pm
@nama1-606: Thing is Nama Lambie is yet to play a poor test and has 13 tests under his belt so he is not totally inexperienced,
But very true what you say, Morne would have to have 1 leg in the grave before he gets dropped
30 Aug 2012, 16:30 pm
@sharks_lover-607:
Is there a collective word for a mob of sharks supporters?
30 Aug 2012, 16:30 pm
@lieflingblou-602: NO, i disagree, tries scored does not translate to expansive, eg Springboks 2009 at the height of the Kick m Chase gameplan score more tries than both the All Blacks and Wallabies, the only team who managed a 4-try bonus point that year but NOWHERE near expansive, not by a long shot!
30 Aug 2012, 16:33 pm
@Puma-603: Puma, lambie injured his ankle here in PE playing FB, Jantjies was sitting on the bench the WHOLE game in PE, didn’t play a stitch, Morne was messing up big time – the crowd booed him.
did you complain that jantjies wasn’t used, if not, why?
30 Aug 2012, 16:34 pm
@Zandberg Jansen-595: it is a pity yes, but who knows maybe HM surprises us all, regarding all the heated pressure he is currently receiving from all corners.
30 Aug 2012, 16:36 pm
@nama1-606: I honestly don’t think JDJ or Lambie will come on at all. Meyer will not move Fransie Nama I can assure you that.
It frustrated me because Morne was playing terrible and we needed something to happen. Lambie might have got us going who knows. We will never know because he will now never get a chance. We drew the damn game and needed the 4 points not 2 points from it. Actually we needed 5 points for that game.
He did take Bekker off that was probably the worst players on the field. Then he had Flip there to replace him so the reason he did and Flip just gave a penalty away straight up.
30 Aug 2012, 16:36 pm
I think Jake White should keep his mouth shut from a purely patriotic point of view. I disagree with a lot of HM’s poor team selections, but I think former Bok coaches should button their arrogant beks for at least until the Championship is over. if we could exhibit that sort of gentlemanly solidarity, we would win the respect of the world rugby community.
30 Aug 2012, 16:36 pm
H.m is a good coach, “he thinks”…Well change yer gameplan of soccer and play rugby, aswell as selecting rugby players. Blockhead.
30 Aug 2012, 16:37 pm
@Puma-598: He is brilliant that kid I agree, I would of much rather put him in the squad than JJ. Even if he is ready I still think he can benefit from another season of S15.
30 Aug 2012, 16:38 pm
@Transformation-612: YES I wanted Jantjies on then too. This is NOT about Sharks players pal, it is about us winning. It is about the Boks which players will help us win. Jantjies would have been better than Morne that day most definitely. Damn shame he too sat on the bench. This time I was Lambie he would have offered far more than Morne.
Now why not answer my question I asked you. Would you have brought Lambie on when Morne offered nothing? I never asked about the PE test.
30 Aug 2012, 16:39 pm
@Transformation-575: Aaron Smith hasn’t been playing the last 2 years, Jimmy Cowan is a good box-kicker.
30 Aug 2012, 16:39 pm
@Puma-603: to answer you…
i rate lambie as a 10, more than morne…i would’ve started him at newlands and mendoza.
the point though is that the shrieks come out of NATAL when Sharks players get shaftef by meyer! you lot care more about “SharksBoks” than the Springboks.
if you expressed the same outrage when players from elsewhere get jerked around i wouldn’t be taking the piss right now
30 Aug 2012, 16:40 pm
JJ = The Andy Carroll of rugby. All legs and no brains. Play Lambie, ffs!
30 Aug 2012, 16:40 pm
@Big Hit-619: please! jimmy the boozer?
FdP try boxkicker? you’re overplaying it a bit Biggles
30 Aug 2012, 16:42 pm
@lieflingblou-602: yeah the Bulls were better under Ludeke in 2009 and 2010, and they did play expansive rugby (with Morne Steyn at 10).
30 Aug 2012, 16:42 pm
@sharks_lover-607: Transie would have played anyone but Lambie.
Also Jantjies would have been better too had he been brought no against England. Meyer just will NOT replace Morne. Unless it is for Goosen it seems.
Damn man I get so angry when we have a player on the bench that could have made a difference and he is just left there. We needed to win that test not draw it. Actually needed the 5 points. Now we have no chance that we drew. ABs will sail even more ahead now. Why do people always think we are talking about Sharks because we are Shark Supporters when we are actually talking about the Boks? Have no clue. When I talk about the Boks is as a Bok supporter and who suits us best there. Ag, give up with the stirrers here really.
30 Aug 2012, 16:43 pm
@Jinx2-615: Nah, here in SA Rugby we like to light a blowtorch underneath a Bok coach…
30 Aug 2012, 16:43 pm
@sharks_lover-609:
You guys at the Shark tank should settle on a position for him first.
Is he a FH or a FB?
I see that Puma says he will play only FH next year but how many games has he played there THIS year to be in line for a FH berth, whether as a starter or as FH reserve?
You are as good as you last game, they say. His last game (S15 semi final?) was not that good.Yes, I know he just returned from an injury.
Jantjies also “just returned from an injury” this past weekend and put up a MoM performance against WP.
PS: I like Lambie and rate him highly but he should not be there ahead of Jantjies right now imo.
30 Aug 2012, 16:43 pm
@Puma-624: meant = on against England.
30 Aug 2012, 16:44 pm
Lambie is A carter without speed and a boot…..
30 Aug 2012, 16:46 pm
@Transformation-620: Let us forget about Sharks here Transie. I was asking your opinion as a BOK supporter not about what Sharks do and don’t do. When Boks are playing I am not looking who plays for who. That don’t matter to me I just want what is best for the Boks.
In both tests against Arg Lambie would have been better. He was right there. That is what I am saying. Jantjie nor Goosen was there. We did have the service of Lambie and Meyer chose to ignore what he had. That is purely dumb dumb. Much like he left Jantjies on the bench against England. Jantjies would have offered far, far more than Morne. Just can’t understand what Meyer is thinking really. Now we sit with 2 bloody points intead of 4 the very least against Arg in that last test. Abs will be just to hard to chase now.
30 Aug 2012, 16:48 pm
@carol-608: Hello Carol,
Sorry I missed your post. How you doing young lady? Hope well.
30 Aug 2012, 16:48 pm
@Puma-624: Our subbing and all teams subbing for that matter is useless. If you can see Morne is no where (Eng 3rd test), why not take him off after 30min or why not bring on Pienaar to take the kicks. Same goes for Lambie in the super 15 final, he was having a shocker at fullback and Viljoen was one of our best players the week before so why not sub him on after 20min? It seems a coach can only bring a player on after 60 or 70 min as pre planned before the game. Amazing
30 Aug 2012, 16:49 pm
@blik-596: Good squad for next year but Pieter Steph-Du Toit better improve his line-out play as the Junior Boks were shocking really really shocking with their line-outs, but other than that a great athlete and a sizy bugger as well.
Bekker on the other hand doesn’t deserve his bok spot this year and I highly doubt he will deserve it next year. I think his on his way out. And for the boks sake I hope he realises that. It is preposterous to field a 5 lock – who in todays time should be a playmaker, setup good ball from fixed play – that can not even play for 50min at a time. If he is to play for the boks any longer he urgently needs a reality check on the following terms:
1. A place in the bok team isn’t inherited its earned through hard work, and even harder play when on the field.
2. He needs to improve his attitude and be a role model for the younger players
3. Stop faking little injuries and niggles because of being unfit just so he doesn’t have to play a full 80
4. Realise that his aspirations of becoming a world class centre or wing will never come true, and get stuck into the ruck – clean some people and protect the damn ball
5. And for god sake start tackling – his a giant and is suppose to be intimidating but all he does is slip tackles all over the place
6. I know he is the tallest lock in world rugby and to ever represent the boks but damnit does he have that little brains that he thinks that means he doesn’t have to jump to contest the opposition line-out because he can merely stick his arm up and catch it????
Mallett might be an @ss but he was right Bekker current performance is a damn disgrace for the nation and the Boks.
30 Aug 2012, 16:53 pm
@Puma-624:
“Why do people always think we are talking about Sharks because we are Shark Supporters when we are actually talking about the Boks?”
Be honest now Puma. If you were given the opportunity to select the Bok team for the test against the Aussies, it would mostly be Sharks. Up to twelve by my last count.
30 Aug 2012, 16:54 pm
@lieflingblou-632: i agree bekker is a pima donna, useless on opposition ball, doesn’t even jump!
kankowski made him his b.itch this year…
30 Aug 2012, 16:54 pm
@Transformation-622: I don’t really understand your argument. It seems to be that a kicking 9 doesn’t take the pressure off a kicking 10. It doesn’t stand up to any scrutiny.
When using a kicking gameplan it is better to have kickers in both positions otherwise you put all the pressure onto one of them.
30 Aug 2012, 16:54 pm
Lambie is a 10.
Not a 15.
30 Aug 2012, 16:55 pm
@lieflingblou-632: I’m sure Bekker is still injured. I’m very disappointed in his performance !! If he is still carrying an injury, he should go back to rehab, or else he should start pulling his weight.
30 Aug 2012, 16:55 pm
@nama1-626: Nama,
Have you all forgot the whole of S15 season? Lambie started more at fh than fb. It was only when he was injured that Fred played fh. Then again towards the end when we had to go for broke to win every game that Plum played Fred and Pat at the same time against Stormers at the Tank. That was a MUST win game for us. We needed both on the field. The only way was to play Pat at fb as he can play there. Pat actually was superb that day at fb must say, but he is even a better fh. He got injured in the Endland test then Fred started all games for Sharks at fh. Pat only came back for half a game against Cheetahs at fb. Again a MUST win game and Plum played them both. But if we count all the games Pat played he mostly played fh this year. Because Fred played fh towards the end it seems people think it was Fred at fh. Lambie was our 1st choice fh and Freddie played scrummie at the start. Think on our tour overseas Lambie was injured for two games. I think as remember he was injured there and Fred played two games there. Then Fred played from the Cheetahs game at Bloem at fh for Sharks and like I said when Lambie was injured during the season. He will again be our 1st choice next year. Also by the way I heard that Jantjies may be heading to Sharks next year. I personally hope not as who will start when again? Both should be starting every game so hope Jantjies heads to Stormers.
30 Aug 2012, 16:57 pm
@willievz-636: AMEN. I totally agree.
He can play very well at fb and 12 but he is superb 10. Pat is a flyhalf.
30 Aug 2012, 16:59 pm
@willievz-636: Yes Willie and as far as I can recall, Ricardo Loubscher said at a press conference earlier this year that the Boks’ coaching staff regard him as a 10 and not a 15. Will Goosen be on the bench against Aus and or ABs ? If not, why did HM not leave him at home to regain match fitness in the Currie Cup (same with Vermeulen) ?
30 Aug 2012, 16:59 pm
@Puma-624: “Why do people always think we are talking about Sharks because we are Shark Supporters when we are actually talking about the Boks? Have no clue.”
well let me give you a hint…because you are ALWAYS talking about “SharksBoks”, i don’t recall anyone else on this blog referring to “StormersBoks” or “CheetahBoks”. you reserve your ire for when sharks players get jerked…
if what happened to siya was happening to marcell you would’ve damn near had a Facebook petition to get Heyneke fired
30 Aug 2012, 16:59 pm
@nama1-633: I want the best players Nama. Can I help it that most come from the Sharks? hahahahaha. Now I am joking…hehe.
I want the best for the Boks and truly don’t care which union they play for.
30 Aug 2012, 16:59 pm
@Puma-638:
Bambie has never been the first choice fh for the farkies, and next year wil be scond choice again…..
30 Aug 2012, 17:00 pm
@Transformation-611: Completely true, but in this game it was a direct result of expansive attacking rugby http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsfhnNvodnw&feature=related
take a look.
30 Aug 2012, 17:01 pm
@Transformation-641: Then we should just mention names. Not which franchise they come from. Just seems easier that way.
Next year wait you gonna get it when your Kings play. Jeepers you gonna get it from many…………..hahaha.
30 Aug 2012, 17:01 pm
You can’t blame people when they think it is SharkBoks first before the Springboks. Ask any Shark fan on this site to post his “Bok team” and it will not differ much from the following:
15. Ludik
14. JPP (if available)
13. Jordaan (thanks for services rendered “Donkey”)
12. Frans
11. Mvovo
10. Lambie
9. Hougie (special mention of McLeod)
8. Kankowski
7. Alberts (special mention of Deysel)
6. Coetzee
5. Bresler (spescial mention of PSDT)
4. Etzebeth
3. Jannie
2. Bismarks (special mention of Burden)
1. Beast
30 Aug 2012, 17:02 pm
@willievz-636: heyneke disagrees, PdV disagreed!
Puma and his mates were ecstatic about lambie @ fullback at the world cup, they couldn’t understand why zane was preferred by meyer…so if lambie is a 10, then he must play 10!
30 Aug 2012, 17:03 pm
@Big Hit-623: exactly!!!
30 Aug 2012, 17:04 pm
@Transformation-634: A few other guys made him their b!tch as well!
30 Aug 2012, 17:06 pm
@lieflingblou-617: Sorry bud only saw your post now.
Yip Jordaan is pure class.
30 Aug 2012, 17:08 pm
@Transformation-647: No actually we wanted Lambie at flyhalf but remember Morne was again played there. Lambie was shifted to fb. AND give credit he did play really well there during the wc. But Lambie is a fh and a damn superb one too. He can play very well at fb and inside centre too. But better at fh.
Zane is not great Transie. He is solid but also don’t offer that much.
30 Aug 2012, 17:09 pm
@willievz-636: @Puma-638:
I agree.
Lambie is a better FH than FB.
But now HM has made it clear that he sees Lambie NOT as a FH but as a FB, according to some.
What is he to do? Play where the national coach wants him to play or play where he feels is his best position?
30 Aug 2012, 17:10 pm
@CharlesM-640: hi Charles…i also recall the Bok backline coach saying Lambie is more of a Flyhalf than a Fullback when responding to a question about why Zane was preferred BUT seemingly Heyneke thinks differently as evidenced in his comments 3 weeks ago:
“It is no secret that I think that Johann Goosen could be a huge match-winner,” he said of the player most feel is the Bok No.10 of the future.
Meyer also revealed that he saw Lambie more as a fullback, and not a regular flyhalf.
“Patrick’s best position is fullback,” the Bok mentor said. “He has been injured for a while, so it was great to see him back playing.
“He can also be a great No.10, but Patrick knows that he needs to improve his tactical kicking… and that’s the thing with Morné as well at this stage.
“Luckily a guy like Johann Goosen is going to play in the next three to four weeks, so that will give us more options.”
so clearly there’s no consensus in the Bok set up as to where Lambie should play!
30 Aug 2012, 17:11 pm
@nama1-646: You are forgetting the 7 players currently in Grade 4, who really could make the step-up to the Bok group.(They play the Sharks offload game apparently….you know that gameplan they started using in the last 5 games of the S15?)
Honestly, I have yet to encounter any Bulls, Stormers, Cheetahs or Lions fans AS committed to hypeing and PR-ing their players into a national team as these Sharks fellows.
Tis not only the Bok team though….. Can’t remember who, but one of the Sharkies went loco in Acupulco when Zelinga was dropped from the Baby Boks squad to make place for Pollard…..
One has to give them credit for consistency though
30 Aug 2012, 17:12 pm
@nama1-646: I would say that that team looks stronger than the bok team.
The Sharks future does look rosy:
15. Ludik
14. JPP
13. Jordaan
12. Frans
11. Mvovo
10. Lambie
9. McLeod
8. Kankowski / Daniel
7. Alberts / Dysel
6. Coetzee
5. Bresler
4. PSDT
3. Jannie
2. Bismarks
1. Beast
I think this team is better than the current bok team, for 2 reasons:
1. Bismark
2. No Morne Steyn
30 Aug 2012, 17:12 pm
@phil72-643: Then you have no idea. Plum stated at the start of this season that Lambie was our first choice fh. He was until he got injured and Fred played there. He will be again he has said so okay.
Who the heck will make him 2nd choice next year? Go and count how many S15 games he started at fh this year and you will see.
30 Aug 2012, 17:14 pm
@blik-655:
30 Aug 2012, 17:15 pm
@nama1-652: It is clear as daylight that Lambie does not feature in Meyer’s plans at 10. Neither does Elton (which is sad, as he should be next in the pecking order….sorry Sharks)
Lambie needs to spend a full S15 season playing 10, and hopefully impressing those who select.
It might not be fair, but it’s the way it is.
Meyer stated that he saw Lambie as a 15. Loubscher said a 10.
Plumtree sees him as both, either and neither…..
The kid has always played wherever he has been asked to, and I do feel he has been treated rather harshly all round: starting with his own union.
30 Aug 2012, 17:16 pm
@blik-655:
Beyootiful….
30 Aug 2012, 17:18 pm
@Transformation-653: Maybe HM and his coaching staff should try and speak the same language ! Does this mean that Goosen will be on the bench and not Lambie ?
30 Aug 2012, 17:18 pm
@nama1-652: Meyer sees him as a utility back it seems. Well he did say fb but think he will only use him off the bench if either the fh or fb picks up a injury. Seems that way to me.
30 Aug 2012, 17:21 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-654:
So, so true.
Then they feign surprise if they get called on it.
30 Aug 2012, 17:24 pm
@CharlesM-660: my guess is as good as yours, meyer has ignored Naka and Medical Staff to get Goosen to be in the bok mix, maybe he wants him to get familiar with his “gameplan”, who knows.
30 Aug 2012, 17:24 pm
@CharlesM-660: Very well could be.
Goosen, JdJ and Ruan on the bench. Only none covers fb. Unless Goosen does. Otherwise it will be Lambie on the bench and not JDJ as Lambie covers fh, fb and inside centre. However, much like Goosen Lambie has had hardly any game time in the past 2 months. Then nor has Vermeulen or Flo. So that probably does not bother Meyer. It seems the training with the squad is enough for him.
30 Aug 2012, 17:25 pm
@Transformation-663: Yes, I still can’t believe that HM did not wait for the home leg to give him game time
30 Aug 2012, 17:27 pm
Cheers everyone. Out of here now.
30 Aug 2012, 17:27 pm
@Puma-664: It will be very unfair if Lambie is not even in the 22 ! Who knows what HM will do ?
30 Aug 2012, 17:28 pm
I am out as well
30 Aug 2012, 17:28 pm
I was at Newlands for the first RC game and Bekker should feel lucky that Supersport had no footage showing the laziness he was endorsing on the field that day. And its a pity that the media, Cape media, that is once again made him look like a super star where he was actually just hanging around the wing and centre postions and walking to all the fixed plays.
But I’m sorry he has had enough opportunities at hand earned but mostly granted to him in his career, and if he hasn’t done it by now he should be thrown away and the money wasted on him should go to investing in the future. HM nor the boks have 2 World Cups in Bekker, hell given his current form and attitude I dont even think he will reach the next World Cup. HM and who ever becomes the next coach should rather invest in Kruger (26years of age – possibly 2 World Cups in him), Etzebeth (22years of age – possibly 3 World Cups in him) , Steph-Du Toit (20years of age – possibly 3 World Cups in him) and Botha (20years of age – possibly 3 World Cups in him).
Thats an investment at lock these 4 guys. And boy do we need to recreate a Bakkies Matfield partnership very very soon
30 Aug 2012, 17:29 pm
@Transformation-647: Actually, PDV agreed…
He played Morne at 15 against the ABs in the away leg in 2011. And Pat at 10.
He always preferred a flat 10 and wanted Butch to start in the WC, but he missed that kick in Durban against the Aussies and reinstated Morne at 10, as the safe option.
Lambie was never really in the picture at 15 – Frans started at 15 against the Welsh, but moved to 12 against Fiji in the absence of JDV.
30 Aug 2012, 17:30 pm
@blik-655:
How can I forget about the captain?
Where will you play him though with Kanko controlling the line outs and Coetzee the new superman on the block on the side of the scrum?
Can’t really play Alberts at lock ahead of Bresler and Etzebeth for the Boks.
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-658:
What I’ve said as well. They should decide where they want to use him and play him there, be it FH or FB. Let him compete with the others in that position and see who comes out on top.
@CharlesM-660:
Goosen probably only there to learn ala Kolisi during the England tour.
30 Aug 2012, 17:30 pm
@CharlesM-667: It will be unfair. But who knows what Meyer wants. If he never wanted to have Lambie on the bench he should have left him at home. We at the Sharks would have loved to have had him against the Cheetahs as fh this week.
Just have no idea what Meyer wants really.
Cheers bud. Need to dash.
30 Aug 2012, 17:33 pm
@willievz-670: Agree. Think PdV wanted to use Butch then he got injured. Then think he wanted to use Pat at fh but think it could very well have been not what Matfield wanted. Have a feeling the senior players there had a big say who played where. Pat only started at fb when Fransie went to inside centre.
Poor youngster just playes where he has too. Talent wasted really.
Okay our of here. Cheers Willie.
30 Aug 2012, 17:34 pm
@Puma-673: Cheers Puma, have a great evening.
30 Aug 2012, 17:38 pm
@Gumboots-448:
I doubt WP Rugby can absorb them all, the band wagon is loaded already
@willievz-441:
Wait and see, some see him as an upgrade over Grant, as for me Peter Grant is the best Super rugby FH despite his limitations
30 Aug 2012, 17:43 pm
@nama1-606:
He might break his thumb too?
30 Aug 2012, 17:47 pm
Meyer has estranged himself from the Cape and the Cheetahs with his first squad selection because of some glaring ommissions.
Lions were on the fence because their team was kak.
Sharks and Bulls supporters were all up his arse because of the BullSharkBoks squad for the English series.
Now he has made some “enemies” in shark country because he did not use Lambie on Saturday and then low and behold, dropped Keegan from his squad altogether.
All he needs to do now, is to drop Morne and Potgieter totally… and play Hougie from the bench and he can become the first coach who can claim that he was loathed by supporters from around the country, exept the Lions supporters, equally.
A very good position for a national coach to be in, I think.
30 Aug 2012, 17:52 pm
I see HM has called on his non-white (ander-kleurige) backline coach to position himself in the camera shot of the coach’s box. It seemingly helps in demonstrating SARU’s commitment to transformation amid the exclusion of black talent on the field.
I also see that AB De Villiers holding up the final frontier of twatism in cricket by refusing to allow Thami to take the gloves.
Where is the uproar of Elton Jantjies exclusion
All you Wit-ou’s: Guilty until proven innocent
30 Aug 2012, 17:53 pm
@Hondo-676:
Like Pierre “I-can-stop-trucks-and-run-through-brickwalls” Spies, you mean?
30 Aug 2012, 17:55 pm
@lieflingblou-669:
Interesting take on on Bekker, some valid points, in fact you could also be describing Spies.
30 Aug 2012, 18:07 pm
The Bakkies/Matfield combo took a while to get to that high level.
I can’t really remember them being dominant in the 1st two years of JW tenure as coach like they’ve been from 2006 and onwards.
We can’t expect from a new lock pairing to be at that level immediately.
I still wonder whether the Bakkies/Matfield combo were not made to look better than it actually was because the rest of the world did not really have world class locks, exept maybe O’Connel, during their time.
Mark Andrews played against people who will go down as amongst the greatest their respective countries have ever produced.
Eales (Aus), Johnson (Eng), Roumat (France).
Who are the Hall of Fame’rs that Matfield/Bakkies faced?
30 Aug 2012, 18:09 pm
@nama1-677:
There is always a controversy involved but last few years the Boks’ selections became a charade
In 1995, the Late Christie – a coach whom I admired – left out T. Strauss, Teichman and Andre’ Venter while Robbie Brink and Adriaan Richter were considered good enough?!
Go figure
But when one Jacques Potgieter is selected while Brussow, Dyesel, Elstadt, Stander aren’t getting even a mention while F Louw is a late call up, even a Bulls supporter might get confused?
30 Aug 2012, 18:10 pm
@nama1-681:
Nathan Sharpe and Dan Vickermann gave Matfield and Botha a good match.
But a fair assessment about Andrews and his tougher competition in general.
Andrews also squared up against Ian Jones (NZ).
30 Aug 2012, 18:10 pm
Kaapstad – Die voormalige Springbok-losvoorspeler Bob Skinstad het koerantberigte wat beweer dat hy Heyneke Meyer as ‘n diktator beskryf het, as ‘patetiese joernalistiek’ beskryf.
Volgens ‘n berig Donderdag in Beeld is Skinstad en die voormalige Springbok-breier Jake White glo erg krities teenoor Meyer se afrigtingstyl.
Skinstad en White het Woensdagaand by ‘n funksie by Emperors Palace in Johannesburg gepraat.
Volgens die berig het Skinstad Meyer glo as ‘n ‘diktator’ beskryf.
‘n Woedende Skinstad het die berig as “absolute snert, buite konteks en lasterlik beskryf.
“Ek was seremoniemeester (MC) by dié funksie,” het Skinstad Donderdag aan iafrica.com gesê en bygevoeg: “Ek was besig om vrae te vra, nie om antwoorde te gee nie.”
Skinstad het onthul dat hy reeds deur Meyer gekontak is oor die voorval. “Ek het ‘n SMS-boodskap van Heyneke ontvang. Hy verstaan die konteks van wat daar gesê is en ons het dit uitsorteer.”
Hy sê die joernalis wat die artikel geskryf het, het intussen verdwyn en haar telefoon van die mikkie gehaal.
Beeld.
30 Aug 2012, 18:19 pm
@Puma-651: lambie is the fkin worst flyhalf i have ever seen fkin worse than earl rose. lambie was the biggest reason the boks got smattered by new zealand by a record score. this fktard cant tackle, cant pass, cant run and cant fkin kick this fkin frilly haired fagggot cant even make a fkin decision and thats the heart of fly half play you ****-hole
30 Aug 2012, 18:20 pm
@nama1-681: yes they fkin were you liar. bakkies gave martin johnson a hammering as early as 2003. shut your mouth you tool
30 Aug 2012, 18:25 pm
@willievz-683:
Will Jones and Vickerman be inducted into the Hall of Fame in their respective countries and regarded as “all time greats” around the world?
Sharpe, I think yes.
30 Aug 2012, 18:35 pm
@Blitzbok-686:
Really?
How did that help us as the Poms won that match in 2003, 25-6.
Who actually did the “hammering” that day?.
30 Aug 2012, 18:37 pm
@willievz-683: @nama1-687: Actually, you guys make a great point about Andrews…
Would love to see a match up between Andrews and Matfield at lineout time.
30 Aug 2012, 18:42 pm
@Blitzbok-685: You ******* ,even a one eyed biased wp supporter such as myself knows you talked the biggest load of **** ,Lambie is the countries best all round flyhalf . Are you drunk ?Or are you a bigot that doesn’t like souties? Either way your incoherent widdle waddle just makes me laugh .
30 Aug 2012, 18:44 pm
@Blitzbok-685: Especially when you say Lambie cannot tackle bwahaha
30 Aug 2012, 18:48 pm
@nama1-688: never saw anyone give MJ a hammering (besides the RFU and national media) although he was apparently KO’d by some ear-chowing prop on an SA tour as a youngster. Bakkies wasn’t about to step to Johnno in those halcyon early 2000s.
30 Aug 2012, 18:49 pm
Wonder which RWC winning pack is who’s who in the Bok Rugby zoo…?
Os
Rossouw
Swart
Andrews/Strydom
Wiese
Pienaar
Kruger
Straeuli/Andrews
vs
Os
Barney
CJ
Bakkies
Matfield
Schalk
Smith
Rossouw
Dunno, but its men against boys for me…
30 Aug 2012, 18:51 pm
@nama1-688:
So Bakkies played only ONE game against Johnson, during the 2003 RWC where they hammered us 25-6 and this Blitzbok poepol wants us to believe that “bakkies gave martin johnson a hammering” that day.
Fecking liar.
30 Aug 2012, 18:54 pm
@Heavens Game-693: Even contrast both packs to the Boks of today and you got mere piepiejollahs by comparison….
1995 = Heart and Courage… Ballas personified.
2007 = Organised… Well led.
2012… Eish in comparison.
30 Aug 2012, 19:02 pm
@Heavens Game-695:
Wiese vs Bakkies and Wiese and Andrews would have been a good fight
My favourite was Steve Atherton, hytie kak gevattie
30 Aug 2012, 19:05 pm
@Big Hit-692:
He was a true warrior, Johnso was.
@Heavens Game-693:
The boys being the 1995 pack of forwards of course.
30 Aug 2012, 19:07 pm
Blitzbok jou maltrap!
30 Aug 2012, 19:09 pm
Vloek hulle moere!
30 Aug 2012, 19:10 pm
@nama1-697: Yep, I’d go for the 2007 pack too.
30 Aug 2012, 19:16 pm
@victoriabok-696: Ja, big Steve was a bit of a brawler… But fark me not the brightest spark….
Now that 95 World Cup final was a final of finals…
Probably the best team never to win vs the farken gutsiest, toughest team around… Combine the two teams and you get a team for the ages that probably would never lose against any combo of teams from any other RWC final ever played…. Take on allcomers
I actually challenge any team made up of any RWC finalists that is better than the set of legends in this combo:
FB 15 Andre Joubert
RW 14 Jeff Wilson
OC 13 Frank Bunce
IC 12 Walter Little
LW 11 Jonah Lomu
FH 10 Andrew Mehrtens
SH 9 Joost
N8 8 Zinzan Brooke
OF 7 Josh Kronfeld
BF 6 Ruben Kruger
RL 5 Mark Andrews
LL 4 Kobus Wiese
TP 3 Olo Brown
HK 2 Sean Fitzpatrick
LP 1 Os Du Randt
Replacements:
Ian Jones
Craig Dowd
Francois Pienaar
Richard Loe
Hennie Le Roux
Norm Hewitt
Graeme Bachop
30 Aug 2012, 19:16 pm
@Puma-651:
why do you continue to be so polite and civilised with these troll idiots?
nice to see that dawn’s hero has arrived!
30 Aug 2012, 19:17 pm
@nama1-697:
> The boys being the 1995 pack of forwards of course
Ruil Rossouw vir Dalton dan praat ons weer
30 Aug 2012, 19:23 pm
Jake the fake is the biggest arsewipe rugby wise on the planet… yet you get some doose still thinking the sun oozes from out his overrated backside
I take HM with all his angst and insecurity and problematic self assurance need and anxiety over that pitiful little two faced prick any day of any week.
Meyer made some BIG fckups with his first few squad choices and his over reliance on familiarity and preconditioned immutable expectations.. but Meyer will learn because Meyer got FAR more room in his kop to allow some humility into his fear ridden soul..
But that Jake Fake piece of work still dunno the first thing about
1. what makes a good rugby coach from a poor one .. and
2. what makes a decent human being from a two faced piece of self aggrandized arsehole deluxe.
as for HG the so called Kenner over here..
Yup I always 3 steps ahead of you ‘bra’ .. I told you HM was gonna bomb in Mendoza because he was rowing his frail canoe upstream against the current..
same as I told you PdV would smack Ireland and Wales and England on Eoyt 2010 because your fuckup beloved Barney the goddamn overrated hump of f’ng LARDASS wasn’t there to stuff it all up.. to your absolute amazement, chagrin and disbelief…
same as I TOLD you PdV was gonna BLOW that quarter final vs Aussie due to EXACTLY the same f’ng hump of overrated LARDASS garbage weighing him DOWN… which you didn’t wanna believe either
and like I told you HM was gonna BLOW it carrying your overhyped sharkshit brethren as his first port of call in the Bok front row and back row with Potgieter as his haymaker blow up doll….
In fact every time I’m 3 step ahead of you it takes you a whole 3 days to digest you fckup expectations that went wrong and then you come Bolshevik in here like you ‘knew’ what was cutting all along…
Now he’s singing the Goose is cooked song and dance routine and Vet Vermeulen ain’t fit to tie his beloved Keegans pony tail ribbons
or the Bok fckup is down to Hougaard at 9 or De Villiers at 13
when the SOURCE of the problem rests with the weak pissarse pack and the mismatched bunch of overrated Sharkshitbulls fcking up the works…
30 Aug 2012, 19:26 pm
@nama1-697: @willievz-700: You okes welcome to your opinion but I tell you what… look at the one player in common to both packs… Os of 1995 was twice the player he was in 2007… He had to be… Because 1995 had a pack full of hard men who made a whole greater than the sum of their parts…
I reckon, other than Os only two other players from 2007 could possibly have played in 1995… Barney and maybe Matfield. Thats all.
Yup, men and boys truly.
30 Aug 2012, 19:34 pm
Lambie pambie is so f’ng overrated it just ain’t funny
and some here wanna go the mediocre route
as long as they all sharkshits
Beast Strauss JdP / Cilliers
Etzebeth Bekker / Vd Merwe
Coetsee Potgieter / Daniel
Alberts
and they STILL wanna cry about all their spilled milk
that was the lot that got CREAMED by the no name amateur Argies in the Andes just the other day
and guess what they were predominantly SHARKSHITS..
next they wanna draft Pienaar into 9 and Lambie into 10
Steyn and JPP at center
and why not go the whole hog and play Mvovo, Ndungane and Ludick or Viljoen
Then you may as well roll up folks and watch the AB’s send you into oblivion
same way the Chiefs stuffed that overrated bunch of hopeless pathetic sharkshits from here to kingdom come
30 Aug 2012, 19:37 pm
@fitz1ella-704: The only three steps you got is a three steps in every direction… arguing about every possible outcome… and then when the actual time comes and the actual deed is done or match is played then you’ve managed to cover every base in your pre-ejaculated forethought… leading to the inevitable “I told you so”….
Fark, its actually quite clever if it wasn’t so tiresomely pointless…
I mean take this next game against the Wallabies… Come 8pm on Wednesday next week – you will argue the fck out of how Aus are going to take Holy Genade Heyneke’s team apart….
Then come Thursday 8pm and after your hotflush hormone spike, there you will be arguing how angsty Heynekes team going to blow the Wobblies right out of the Tasman bath water….
Finally after the game is actually played on Sat, you then will proceed to tell the world “I told you so” when whichever farken team wins…
Pointless I tell you and slightly like a cowardly running cur dog, who dont know which way to run or which side to pick…
Yup, like Old Yeller for sure…
30 Aug 2012, 19:39 pm
Yo Blitzbok!
Tell us about Lambie!
30 Aug 2012, 19:39 pm
@nama1-697: @willievz-700: same, iimo as individuals they were more talented, back five world class and one of the greatest captains in the front row.
30 Aug 2012, 19:40 pm
@Heavens Game-705:
Schalk ahead of Pienaar
Juan vs Ruben is very close but Juan maybe just edge it because of his line out work.
Rossouw ahead of Andrews (at 8)
So combined, it may look like this.
1. Os
2. John Smit
3. Balie
4. Andrews
5. Matfield
6. Schalk
7. Juan/Kruger (very close here)
8. Rossouw
30 Aug 2012, 19:46 pm
@nama1-710: Madness… Nobody ahead of Kruger… Nobody, hear me!!?
Maybe Schalk at his very best over Pienaar… but Schalk was not his very best in 2007… Thats for damn sure.
And Rossouw, as big and strong as he was, got nothing on what Andrews had to face on that day in 1995…
Andrews vs Zinzan… Rossouw vs farken who? Nick farken Easter…. Thats who… Now dont make me laugh any more.
30 Aug 2012, 19:47 pm
Barney was the worst hooker ever to come out of bananarama land
and the weakest bok captain of ALL time
If ANY Bok captain would LOSE the way that overrated hump of f’ng LARDASS LOST through 2010 – 2011
13 from 16 tests then you gotta know he gotta be the absolute worst Bok captain of all time.
Barney don’t tie Uli Schmidt or Bismarks shoe laces as far as hooker goes
and as far as captaincy goes he got sweet f’all on Francoise Pienaar, Morne Dup, even Gary Teichmann or Dawie de Villiers and Divan Serfontein
30 Aug 2012, 19:50 pm
@nama1-646: well you cant argue?? \thats one farking fantastic team
30 Aug 2012, 19:52 pm
@fitz1ella-712: i got 3 words for you!
blah blah blah
30 Aug 2012, 19:54 pm
@Heavens Game-707: bullshit I get it right every time you get it so f’ng wrong
I’m ALWAYS 3 or maybe 5 steps ahead of you sonny
I read the setup while you dream your dreams of sharkshit Valhalla emerging
I told you Heyneke was gonna BLOW it with that fckup mediocre sharkshit setup and with Potgieter at 7
Now Heyneke is learning the lesson the hard way and correcting his blatant faults
I always 3 steps ahead of you son.. same as I was on eoyt 2010 same as I was at RWC 2011 and same as I’m always telling you how it been blowing, you better start listening how it about to unfold then you get the gist of whats actually going down…
30 Aug 2012, 19:55 pm
@Heavens Game-711:
It’s not who he had to face. It’s what could offer.
Rossouw offered much, much more at 8 than Andrews.
Even not at his very best, Schalk was still better than Pienaar at his very best…and Pienaar was no moegoe himself…That’s for damn sure.
30 Aug 2012, 19:55 pm
@fitz1ella-712: Come now… Barney is without doubt one of the best hookers of all time… He stands tall in a pantheon including Fitzpatrick, Uli, Keith Wood, Phil Kearns, Mealamu etc… He has been inducted into the IRB Hall of fame and the most capped Bok in rugby history…
Say what…?
Mad as a farken Hatter in Alice’s LSD Wonderland I tell you…
30 Aug 2012, 19:55 pm
@sharks_lover-714: and I got 4 for you sharkshit
you a tossbox deluxe
30 Aug 2012, 19:58 pm
@sharks_lover-713:
I knew you would love it.
30 Aug 2012, 19:59 pm
@nama1-716: You dreaming my boy… Clearly… Andrews definitely offered more than two steps on the run than two step Danie any day of the week at lock or 8… And he didi it against possibly the best 8 in the history of the game in the best RWC final the world will ever see…
Nope, Schalk of 2007 not near Pienaar of 1995… Simple. Feeneesh and Klaar
30 Aug 2012, 20:02 pm
@Heavens Game-707: how you pre considering what I going to suggest regarding Boks – Wallabies
Boks got a big chance and I’ll check how Heyneke sets his stall before the showdown
I told you Heyneke was going to Blow vs Argies.. it was looming thick and fast and you sleepwalkers walked smack bang into it
I told you we were going to BLOW vs Aussies in the 1/4 final.. it was looming with that fatfck deluxe fcking up the WORX…
God some you morons are emaciated blind..
You wanted that fatfunk piece of lardass to lift Bill TWICE
It were NEVER gonna happen in a thousand years of wet dreams.. NEVER forever.. how pitiful is your grandeur expectations deluxe..
30 Aug 2012, 20:03 pm
@fitz1ella-715: 3 steps in all directions, eh Old Yeller?
Back all sides followed by a “told you so” posthaste….
Me, I actually got the dogsbollocks to pick a side and have the courage of my sometimes fanciful convictions… But conviction I do have nevertheless…
You and me are different that way, thats for sure.
30 Aug 2012, 20:08 pm
@Heavens Game-722: CRAPPEDY DO
go back check what I warned you schmuckaluck
go pull it apart who I backed and who I didn’t
You got it WRONG.. every time I got it right
how THAT work out.. you backed the WRONGun and I backed the right one when push actually came to shove… not once.. not twice.. how many times already.. own it UP..
30 Aug 2012, 20:16 pm
bananarama
oh skop
30 Aug 2012, 20:17 pm
@fitz1ella-723: Now I reckon you fcking the cat while throwing the bathtub right out with the bathwater…
You back everyone… Both sides… Then you get it “right”….
Now sometimes I am wrong… not often, granted but I definitely can be wrong…
How many times you been wrong?
Never, yes?
Hmmm, maybe this humble poster may be making a valid point, hey?
Now, go think about it… Chew a mushroom or tuber or summink to help your grey matter along the way, if you must.
30 Aug 2012, 20:18 pm
Francois Pienaar, Dawie de Villiers, Morne Dup, Divan Serfontein, even Wynand Claasen, Jannie Breedt, Gary Teichman
these were CAPTAINS that bled for the TEAM ideal first and their own hyped up vainglorious fckup expectations a distant 3rd
UNLIKE that piece of garbage fatfunck deluxe self centered twat who FCKD the Boks up his overrated lardarse while he tried for immortality as the biggest f’ng bumbler wobbly cheese to ever waddle down the exit tunnel
30 Aug 2012, 20:23 pm
@Heavens Game-725: who I BACK last weekend.. go read all about it on all the setup threads
who I back when PdV’s team led by Matfield NOT your fatfunk piece of overrated lardass in 2010 Eoyt led them to WINS when you called LOSSES
Same as I backed Matfield vs NZ in PE when Smit the CANCER was absent..!!!
Who I back when Smit couldn’t get the FCK out the way which fck’d PdV’s WC dream team out the water with Smit and his f’ng lunacy immortality delusions of grandeur f’ng up the goddamn works..
Who did I back.. EVERY time you got it wrong.. when I read the score the right way up??
30 Aug 2012, 20:23 pm
Woohoo!
Forget Blitzbok!
30 Aug 2012, 20:26 pm
@fitz1ella-726: Best Captains ever of the Boks in this order…
1. Pienaar – the 45 million man… The Apple of Madiba’s eye
2. Barney – longevity, success, loyalty to the Boks above and beyond… Converted to tighthead on the whim of a Midget Madman Coach…
3. Teichmann – consecutive test win world record leader
4. Bedford – Leader of conscience
5. Morne Du Plessis – Leader extraordinaire
Men amongst men… Leaders of men… They all stood for something greater than themselves…
30 Aug 2012, 20:28 pm
Now I’m getting all tearful.
30 Aug 2012, 20:28 pm
@fitz1ella-726: I might be a tosbox, but i tell you this, you are thicker than pigshit, i mean you really dont have a clue, you sit here slating anything like a 1 year old space invader ****** on roids, the most hillarious thing of all is you in ur own corky way truelly believe ur this genius kenner??
Holy **** dude, you keep telling us how **** certain players are yet they have achieved more then most in world rugby??? now clearly you are that stupid, or ur arrogance has no ending that you reaLLy thiny Skopgat Mackenzie akak boknaai visagie that b eing you a tiually has knowledge of rugby???
Or in simple english you talk **** all the time as ur the loner in dire need of attention.
Yes i know you’ll rant in typical creche fashion and swear words that aint even in any world dictionary, coming from you that is to be expected
But, i am just letting you know this is what this TOSBOX THINKS OF YOU.
30 Aug 2012, 20:30 pm
@fitz1ella-727: So you “backed” the Boks when they lost against Scotland under Matfield?
Whoopee farken doodums… Looks like you might very well have been wrong there, but good of you to admit it….
*Applause from the gallery*
And then you go mess up this one way route to honesty by going Barney Befok for absolutely no valid reason whatsoever….
Mad I tell you that for absolutely free…
30 Aug 2012, 20:36 pm
@Heavens Game-732: Hiyas HG
30 Aug 2012, 20:38 pm
@Heavens Game-729: Actually just before SMits time, Louis Luyt in his book says, Teichmann the best Capt he has ever seen,, Says he believd the players would walk through walls for Teich
30 Aug 2012, 20:40 pm
@Heavens Game-729:
Nope you got it wrong doodums
1. Pienaar – the 45 million man… The Apple of Madiba’s eye
2. Morne Du Plessis – Leader extraordinaire
3. Divan Serfontein – the little general with a lion heart
4. Dawie de Villiers – the golden man with the midas touch
5. Teichmann – consecutive test win world record leader
6. Wynand Claasen – Leader of conscience 2
7. Bedford – Leader of conscience 1
8. Barney – longevity, success, loyalty to the Boks in 2007 until the concept of immortality turned him from hero to zero on the whim of an ego that went cancerous.
30 Aug 2012, 20:41 pm
@sharks_lover-733: Huzzit Sharkie… The natives been a bit restless today…
Looks like this Pith Helmet Last Outpost Colonial soutie from Pretoria been successful in quelling a whole goddamn rebellion here today….
Whites of their eyes boys…
Aim…
FIRE!!!
30 Aug 2012, 20:45 pm
@fitz1ella-735: Topsy farken turvy if I ever have seen….
But,
Swap Serfontein with Barney, De Villiers with Bedford then we actually may have got it right through your passion and my actual brains and imagination…
30 Aug 2012, 20:47 pm
@Heavens Game-732: I backed them for the grand slam that year because it was a distinct possibility with that fatfunk piece of overrated LARDASS out the goddamn way…
and Scotland should have been a cake walk.. but PdV and Matfield walked into a quagmire that day because they let their guard slip thinking of all the obstacles Scotland was the one they didn’t need to pitch up for… and like every time the ego gets warped by presupposed expectations they slipped on the very banana peel they left exposed..
and lambiekins got chucked into deep waters he couldn’t quite swim in yet.. poor dear.
and if you go back and check it prior to the game I’m pretty sure i warned the groot kannone that Scotland was NOT to be underestimated..
So you backed Boks to win against Scotland and LOSE against Ireland, Wales and England.. who got it right.. and who got it wrong.. when you gonna own up and check it straight up..? I pretty much owned your presuppositions almost every godforsaken time.
30 Aug 2012, 20:47 pm
I see The Sharks are right behind a Bullies are Loosers Campaign …!!
30 Aug 2012, 20:47 pm
@Heavens Game-736:
30 Aug 2012, 20:47 pm
@sharks_lover-734: Look, I’m as much a Teich fan as anyone… But Pienaar led from the front for something pretty goddamn miraculous… Something bigger than the game played in heaven itself…
Only one Invictus Cappie… Pienaar = Carpe Diem personified.
30 Aug 2012, 20:49 pm
@carol-739: No we aint, we just think HM needs to rethink some of the silly things he is doing,
See Carol there is respect between the Bulls and Sharks for the most, of course there are one or 2 exceptions
30 Aug 2012, 20:50 pm
@sharks_lover-740: He sure did, noone can ever take away what he achieved
30 Aug 2012, 20:52 pm
@carol-739: Losers, darling, Losers…. Seems you that 50 Shades of Grey literary “merit” you been reading got you in a vice like grip of “looseness”…
And no this Sharkie got nothing but respect for Bullies and their fine history and winning tradition…
30 Aug 2012, 20:54 pm
@sharks_lover-742:
If he has a look in here I am sure he will know exactly what he now needs to do now!!
30 Aug 2012, 20:56 pm
Okay… over and out for me…
Banshee left some nice bits of cooked red meat in the kitchen….
This apex carnivore needs to go and lick and chomp some nice succulent bloody chops and steak….
30 Aug 2012, 20:57 pm
@Heavens Game-744:
Hooray, a spelling mistake for you to jump on!!
Probably the only thing you will get to ‘jump on’ tonight!!
30 Aug 2012, 21:00 pm
@carol-745: LOL carol, its very simple really he needs to look at his squad and realise he has good foot ballers there, not just kick and chase specialists, he truelt can play a good brand of rugby if he just puts his mind to it
30 Aug 2012, 21:01 pm
LOL, Even Jake White is sick of the sight of Kirtchner. Kick that plodder to the curb soonest Meyer!
30 Aug 2012, 21:02 pm
@sharks_lover-748:
Well that sounds straight forward enough!
Has anyone told him this?
30 Aug 2012, 21:03 pm
@carol-750: yes about 25mil of the 45mil South Africans
30 Aug 2012, 21:03 pm
Serious lack of class for ex coach to criticize the incumbant. But we do expect that from JW.
HM will succeed, he will always be successful in the long run. Thats wat he made of. Quite simple actually.
30 Aug 2012, 21:04 pm
@sharks_lover-731: I couldn’t give two continental hoots what you toss box think of me.. not a twinkle toed foxtrot fanny aching funagalo whispering whoopsie daisy kaleidoscopic creosoted cods-walloping crestfallen carry on up the Tugela idea you may have of me.
It don’t change the facts from the fanny apple farm fantasy .. I know what I know.. and as much as you wanna carry on make believing you understand triviality from reality .. keep wishfully thinking your sharkshit bananarama queens are the bay watching beeswax business while the ramshackle truth shall perhaps one day by some graciously placed lucky packet enchilada still set you free..
30 Aug 2012, 21:05 pm
@hanneslom-752: that ex coach is trash.. through and through.. the punk simply cannot help himself his rampant ego has always been and will always be totally self beseeching way out of control…
30 Aug 2012, 21:06 pm
@sharks_lover-748:
It would come with time, the guy is still sorting his team out
If he played a team of newbies against the Poms and lost the same choir would have wanted his head
With them it’s the same mantra, “SARU must fire Heyneke* because he ……”, fill in the flavour of the day complaint
*-Actually any coach not only Heyneke, in SA a couch must beat the All Blacks 50-3 in the first test with last year’s kindergarten team, that’s how objective the Keo Premature Ejaculation Supporters Club is
30 Aug 2012, 21:06 pm
@fitz1ella-753: BWAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA, I DIDNT EXPECT ANY LESS A RANT THAN THAT
Yes you know what you know, and it is still ZERO
30 Aug 2012, 21:08 pm
@fitz1ella-754:
For once I agree with you, JW might have won the WC for us but he’s a doos
Typical onderwyser houding, I always know better that anybody else
30 Aug 2012, 21:09 pm
not a twinkle toed foxtrot fanny aching funagalo whispering whoopsie daisy kaleidoscopic creosoted cods-walloping crestfallen carry on up the Tugela idea you may have of me.
Bwahahahaha….
30 Aug 2012, 21:09 pm
@victoriabok-755: As much as i want to agree Vic, i dont also as his plahyer choices tell me a different story, also i have no doubt that he had no clue as how to utalise KD’s talent, i mean he knew Keegan was never gonna be a crunching basher type loose forward. Also the Kicking game always seems to be the only option he has.
30 Aug 2012, 21:11 pm
@nama1-758:
Nama look i know he is youe mate, but **** he is one crazy old Coot, and he sure rants like no other lol
30 Aug 2012, 21:19 pm
@sharks_lover-759:
Everyone has their favourite, I was pissed when JW took f-ucking useless Bobo
on the EOYT instead of Ettienne Botha in 2004 but just it, there will always be players missing the team that you fancy
The man had no time to prepare the team, he had injuries during the S15 on all or most of the key players he had planned to use when he was appointed in January, and a few more injured since
The team now has very little test experience compared to the more than 900 tests of last year’s team
Give him a chance, everyone loses, that’s how you learn
Keegan would be brilliant off the bench
30 Aug 2012, 21:22 pm
@sharks_lover-759:
> Also the Kicking game always seems to be the only option he has
With Morne, yes
But wasn’t Lambie also injured this year?
Why do they play the Frog instead of giving Lambie gametime at the Sharks?
It would make more sense to play him, he’s the future isn’t he?
30 Aug 2012, 21:27 pm
Mmmm… Red meat always good… Back for a little while
30 Aug 2012, 21:30 pm
@fitz1ella-753: Man you are seriously funny. Been a visitor to this site since day 1, for past 3-4 years almost never to post bit do follow some threads, alowing work to get in the way I guess. You never fail to entertain. Keep it coming!
30 Aug 2012, 21:30 pm
@fitz1ella-753: WTF? LOL… No… ROTFLMAO… Sheezus…
I bow down in awe at this onomatopoeia orgy…
Beyootiful…
“Carry on up the Tugela”, now that is some of the funniest shy.te I have read in ages…
30 Aug 2012, 21:31 pm
@Heavens Game-763:
Which kind, chops or V-Bone steak?
30 Aug 2012, 21:31 pm
typo – allowing…
30 Aug 2012, 21:32 pm
@Heavens Game-765: one funny mahfugga…
30 Aug 2012, 21:33 pm
everyone going on about goosen and flouw.
neither are likely to feature much on tour – flouw pretty weak anyway, minnie is better.
biggest travesty is gio aplon – way, way more of a rugby player than kirchner.
heyneke needs a wake up – bigger is not always better.
30 Aug 2012, 21:33 pm
@Heavens Game-765:
> “Carry on up the Tugela”,
Is that like the “Carry on” movies they used to make?
30 Aug 2012, 21:37 pm
@victoriabok-766: The kind Skop is in more dire need of than a room full of blowjobs… Struth, the funny old farker’s got a Vitamin B imbalance like never seen before…
30 Aug 2012, 21:37 pm
@fitz1ella-753: classic skop!
30 Aug 2012, 21:38 pm
@hanneslom-768: Farken madder than a pack of rabid dogs, I tell you that for free…
30 Aug 2012, 21:41 pm
@victoriabok-770:
Thats how I saw it… Maybe Skop got no clue about any “Carry on” stuff, but if he did mean it, then a farken spurt of comic genius for certain…
Lol… Still chuckling
30 Aug 2012, 21:42 pm
Now I’m really out for the count tonight… Banshee farken chewing my ear at the moment…
30 Aug 2012, 21:43 pm
@Heavens Game-771:
Need to organize a date for him?
He should come visit me, I’ll hook him up with a West Coast Hippie woman with hemp sandals and unshaven legs (and whatever else) living off the land organically
There are tons of those around, surviving on Spelt and Quinoa
Match made in heaven?
30 Aug 2012, 21:43 pm
@Heavens Game-773: I hear they turned him down for One Flew over Coockoo’s nest, official reason listed as “Crazy mahfugga”
30 Aug 2012, 21:44 pm
went for Jack instead…that’s why he’s so pissed…
30 Aug 2012, 21:49 pm
@Heavens Game-774: I saw all them Sydney James movies long before you were conceived.. so its keep on carrying on up the Tugela for you pooh pooh.
30 Aug 2012, 21:53 pm
@fitz1ella-779:
Skop, if you were to pick three players from each other S12/14/15 team to play for the Stormers, who would it have been, say the last 10-15 years?
30 Aug 2012, 21:54 pm
@fitz1ella-779:
Carry on Emanuelle?
30 Aug 2012, 21:56 pm
Luvly!
30 Aug 2012, 22:05 pm
@victoriabok-780:
For the Bulls I would have picked
Sharks
Teichmann
Bismarck
Botes (at his prime he could have been a Bok)
Cheetahs
Juan Smit
Brussouw
Os
Lions
Baywatch (at his prime)
Ernst Joubert
Taute
Stormers
Schalk
Kitshoff
Jacque Fourie
30 Aug 2012, 22:12 pm
@fitz1ella-779:
Sid James
Classic!
30 Aug 2012, 23:01 pm
Old jake just can’t help himself, maybe he us just speaking his mind, but I’m starting to feel a bit sorry for meyer.
I should calm down too – he’s only doing his best but fk me no more potgieter, asb, not for meyers sake but the boks – I actually find it quite bizarre with the talent in sa at tge moment how badly tge so-called kenners can actually get it.
30 Aug 2012, 23:05 pm
One thing about meyer I have never heard him criticising other coaches, at least in public. but he did lay all the blame at his players feet for saturday and that was nonsense.
30 Aug 2012, 23:08 pm
Sid James was south African, might have even from the east rand – south African cockney bizarre.
31 Aug 2012, 01:00 am
Gio Aplon for Kirchner
Elton Jantjes for Morne Steyn
Jean Deysel for Flip VD Merwe
Keegan Daniel for Potgieter
Heinrich Brussouw, Schalk Burger, Siya Kolisi, Coenie Oosthuzyen, Bismark Du Plessis
all to come back in place of
Louw, Greyling, Burden, Potgieter etc..
31 Aug 2012, 01:03 am
All Meyer has to do is drop Kirchner and Morne for Jantjes and Aplon and he will be backed. Plus he wins on a transformation front with Jantjes for Morne…Jantjes is better anyway
31 Aug 2012, 02:32 am
@fitz1ella
Did someone steal your lunch? Pinch your car? Burgle your house? What are you having such a rant about exactly? It certainly can’t have been a good day for you. Absolutely no lucidity in what your statements. Right ideas, terrible way of describing them. Full of Ad Hominem and abuse. How about sticking to the rugby, rather than making abusive personal attacks towards other users. You’re no where near as clever as you think. I doubt you’d be able to call 100% of the Springboks games correctly from now until the season is out.
31 Aug 2012, 02:34 am
Jack is allowed to speak his mind, a brillant coach and great person. How many teams provincal / international use the rush defence these days? Nearly all, including the Abs….was that not Jake who introduced it?
As i recall nobody was pee’d we had won the WC. Funny how dumb people are especially in SA. There is no country in the world that would speak of him badly if he was their coach, only in SA , what a bunch of red-necks. Usually i use that term fir kiwis, beacause they are,(having been there myself) but golly there’s a lot of them here. And all the racist **** dealt by the racist government, jees he handled that pretty well if you ask me.
You could clearly see Meyer shouting orders, you have heard M Steyn mention that he has never had the oppotunity to play his style of game thanks to the orders dictated. He is not amasing but he is not bad either. He needs to develop his game, on attack and defence(mmm, is there anything else to develop?) Aplon is a very risky player thanks to his size but he can be utilised against most teams, not all. His technique at tackling is brillant, M Steyn should use his technique as he is a push over. He is a bit of a girl when it comes to tackling, goes high, always looses 5m.
I dont disagree with jake’s comment, but at the same time Meyer needs to find his feet, he has not done it yet. The pressure is mounting which will shove his back against the wall. How he will cope is what we will find out. There is no point in talking about Meyer really because its too early. Of course he will use some maybe more Bulls rugby, but that is obvious. We all know where his success was, the SA rugby company wanted him, so they must be sattisfied, all those managers, ceo and cronies. They all know waht Meyer has to offer. He would not have been picked otherwise.
Some of you sound like kids, perhaps you should be player rugby and not staring at the PC hey!
If you note any legendary coach, the media will always go to them and ask for there opinion, Jones, Henry, Woodward, they all get asked these same questions.
Gees you guys are like bloody 2 yr olds.
31 Aug 2012, 06:54 am
@Greenies-791:
The rush defence is one of the oldest and most basic and it was Gary Gold who reintroduced it, not Jake.
31 Aug 2012, 08:06 am
@fitz1ella-753: What a classic….I would pay an entrance fee to have logged on and read that.
genius Skop….seriously my man….had me in laughter for minutes here….great stress relief!!
31 Aug 2012, 10:10 am
And the knives go in!
Any of you that have seen me post will know im a massive Jake White fan.
But I think Jake needs to stay out of this if he wants to to get rid of the Jake the snake tag.
But pretty sure we’ll be begging for Jake back come 4 years
31 Aug 2012, 10:12 am
@Greenies-791: no, it wasn’t jake who introduced it, GARY GOLD taught jake the rush defence…
31 Aug 2012, 10:12 am
@David-792: oh, i see you’ve made the correction already
31 Aug 2012, 10:51 am
@hanneslom-752: Mallet also critiszed him, plus add to the fact that HM wanted to steal JW’s job in 2006, people have short memories.
31 Aug 2012, 10:59 am
@David-792: But Jake was the first international coach to use it! We are not talking about bloody AVIVA premiership….ai.
31 Aug 2012, 11:43 am
@752.hanneslom said
lack of class my bum man, don’t you remember the front page newspaper heading “Koebaai Jake” from HM? this was coming from a provincial coach at the time, where all provincial coaches should be supporting the National head coach. If I was Jake at this moment I would be scrutinising HM as well. How can we have a coach that is worse than his predecessor? His record so far stands at a 60% win ration, not good enough!!! Even PdV did better than him. Where is your argument?
Andre Markgraaf (1996) 61%
Carel du Plessis (1997) 37%
Nick Mallet (1997-2000) 71%
Harry Viljoen (2000-2002) 53%
Rudolph Straeuli (2002-2003) 52%
Jake White (2004-2007) 67%
Peter de Villiers (2008-??) 63%
31 Aug 2012, 12:14 pm
@759.sharks_lover – perfectly said!!!
@761.victoriabok – fine, agreed he didn’t have much time to prepare, but player choice does not matter in your argument of time, how can you select ZK in place of PL? that is one of the worst calls I have seen in recent years, find me a South African who disagrees with me on that. And yes, KD would be brilliant off the bench, but he only got half a chance, tell me how Potgieter gets more than 1 chance, even though his rugby is less than good? I do agree with your statement after that though, if they are not gona use Lambie then send him back to the Sharks, at least he is appreciated there, HM has no regard for his future.
@769.charo – totally agree, GA or PL way before ZK!!!
@785.cab – exactly, Potgieter, Flip van der Merwe are barely tackle bag holders, how they get into the team I haven’t a clue. Bring back KD and he sure will do better off the bench than these Potgieter ever will be. FH should be on the wing for goodness sake (either off the bench or starting in place of BH), put Ruan on at 9, every1 I have spoken to agrees with that, And well as much as I think M Steyn has done brilliantly in the passed, his game is boring, doesn’t win us games because he is too predictable, bring Goosen off the bench for the next 2 games then let him start. And for Pete’s sake put Lambie on the field!!!
@789.Rhys7 – even though I think there are better players at 10 than Jantjies, I agree with you, rather send Morne home, he does not deserve to be there at all.
@791.Greenies – well said, and yes give HM time, but man, get someone else to select the team. Maybe there should be an SMS line and whoever gets the most votes from the public gets into the team? Ha, joke.
31 Aug 2012, 13:23 pm
@Dylan-799: if you read the “Koebaai Jake”, story there is NO mention made of any commment form Heyneke. You can’t blame him for being approaced by SARU. Perhaps there was more behind the scenes.
But the point is made, the rugby public should give our coaches more leeway. If JW had any class, he would keep his comments for himself.
31 Aug 2012, 15:37 pm
It’s not the selections, it the game plan. Can anyone see the All Blacks playing like this? They would rather pack up and play in France if they had to dish out this s h i t.
31 Aug 2012, 15:40 pm
Skop en jaag en crashball…..laat my dink aan daai gemors wat Ian Mckintosh probeer het met Heinrich Fulse en Pieter Muller jare gelede. Hoekom dink alle bok afrigters (uitsluitende Mallet) ons spelers is groter en sterker en moet dus bo-oor oposisie hardloop?
31 Aug 2012, 15:40 pm
@leeman-801: Jake has as much class as a Saturday morning babelaas kak…
31 Aug 2012, 15:49 pm
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-804: Apparently it was Captain Morgan speaking. Even without class he still made more sense than HM.
31 Aug 2012, 15:49 pm
Heyneke gaan sy gat sien as hy so aanhou. Terug Eagles toe boeta, gaan leer weer hoe om rugby te speel onder die nuwe reels.
31 Aug 2012, 15:50 pm
@logie_Jumpbuck-803: Want hulle is vaaljapies sonder insig
31 Aug 2012, 15:52 pm
@TooMuchRugby-805: Jake also had a rough couple of years before sense prevailed and he got in someone who knew more about rugby than him….enters Eddie and saves the day for Jake. If Jake farked up WC 07 he would’ve beel labelled in the Harrie Viljoen Rudolph Strontsak level
31 Aug 2012, 15:55 pm
Give me back Jake anyday. At least he adapted and was willing to seek help when he couldn’t make it work. Don’t see that happening anytime soon with Heyeneke. Draconian dragon!
31 Aug 2012, 15:56 pm
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-808: Agreed. I’m not defending Jake’s coaching ability, but I do agree with what he said about HM, even if he is a doos.
31 Aug 2012, 15:56 pm
@logie_Jumpbuck-809:
31 Aug 2012, 15:58 pm
@TooMuchRugby-807: ek dink nie jy weet eens wat n vaaljapie is nie. As jy daarmee bedoel Afrikaans, Mackintosch was Ingles jong. Selfde kak, selfde resultate.
31 Aug 2012, 16:00 pm
@logie_Jumpbuck-809: And you make that assumotion after three months in the seat for HM. Look I am not enjoying what I am seeing either but there is a hell of a lot more to HM than what we are currently seeing. I hope for his sake thing start turning pretty quickly or the seat will become very hot indeed.
@TooMuchRugby-810: If the comment came from anybody else but Jake it might have carried more water but hey maybe he was the only one with enough kanters to do so.
I still reckon HM is not a sprinter but rather a marathon runner. Only problem is that when you take over the Boks you have to deal with fooooooking inpatient fans.
31 Aug 2012, 16:05 pm
@logie_Jumpbuck-812: Vaaljapie kan beteken net wat jy wil he dit moet.
In my geval is dit verteenwoordigend van enige afrigter wat hierdie vervelige (en oneffektiewe) stampkar rugby voorstaan, maar vir jou beteken dit dalk ‘n ou trekker of selfs ‘n goedkoop bottel wyn.
Maar as jy dink dis ‘n aanval teen Afrikaners moet jy miskien daai chip van jou skouer afhaal.
So by the way, ek is ook Afrikaans en stem saam met wat jy van HM se, so klim maar af van jou agterpootjies ou maat.
31 Aug 2012, 16:07 pm
Heyeneke doesn’t fill me with confidence….he looks too stressed and wired. Old Henry used to be the best, quiet and confident all through the game.
31 Aug 2012, 16:09 pm
@logie_Jumpbuck-809: he’s only had 5 games, can we give him time to find his feet
31 Aug 2012, 16:10 pm
@TooMuchRugby-814: ou trekker is reg, n gryse wat ek van kindsbeen af gery het. Glad nie, ek wil net nie he mense moet Afrikaanse afrigters = dom rugby voorstaan nie. Mackintosh was net so stampkar bevok soos Heyneke. Wonder hoekom ons nie weer vir Mallet in die tuig kan kry nie. Alles behalwe skop en jaag rugby…asb.
31 Aug 2012, 16:14 pm
@Transformation-816: what feet? 16all draw vs the argies?? I’m sorry, I hate to point out the obvious, but loosing against second tier nations is unacceptable in my book, under any coach at anytime of his career. I can’t see this gameplan ever changing either…..he believes what he believes, and he will continue with it until he gets lucky or sinks the whole damn ship. Saw it with Mack as well. Too one eyed and regimental.
31 Aug 2012, 16:17 pm
I never did like the Bulls mentality…..daai ‘ek sal jou wys!’ maniere van hulle.
31 Aug 2012, 16:18 pm
@logie_Jumpbuck-817: Dan stem ons saam. Ek is so gatvol vir hierdie tipe rugby dat ek dit oorweeg om oor te skakel na cake boss of Oprah as die springbokke speel.
Om eerlik te wees dink ek nie daar is ‘n afrigter in SA tans wat ons kan verlos uit hierdie hel nie. Ons sal maar oorsee moet gaan soek.
31 Aug 2012, 16:22 pm
@TooMuchRugby-820: Presies, dink jy dit is toevallig dat die twee SA superrugby spanne wat hardloop rugby speel NZ afrigters het? Gee dan eerder vir Plumbtree die job.
31 Aug 2012, 16:23 pm
@Transformation-816: Frankly I don’t even care anymore if he finds his feet or even his lost car keys, or if the Springboks win or lose anymore. I just can’t stand watching this uninspired, dreary sh.it anymore. I love the game and it would have been nice to have the team representing my country at least dish up something that we can be proud of, but this **** is too much for me. It’s not good for my sanity. I’m at the stage that i would rather watch NZ play than the Bokke.
31 Aug 2012, 16:28 pm
@logie_Jumpbuck-821: Ek dink die Kings het ‘n goeie besluit geneem om NZ afrigters te kry. Nou kort hulle net ‘n paar spelers van gehalte.
Sorry, maar ek is oorspronklik van die Oos-Kaap en kan nie help om ‘n soft spot vir die Kings te he nie, al is hulle toegang tot SuperRugby effens “dodgy”
31 Aug 2012, 16:29 pm
@TooMuchRugby-822: Makes two of us. I certainly won’t dish out R550 a ticket to watch the Springboks murder rugby live. It’s an uninspiring kick-chase game I can play with my dog….and Fido can run, unlike the bok backline!
31 Aug 2012, 16:31 pm
@TooMuchRugby-823: same here, grew up shouting PROVINCE from the railway stand as a laaitie on Boet Erasmus. Hope they give a few teams some stick next year.
31 Aug 2012, 16:33 pm
@logie_Jumpbuck-824: Hahaha. And Fido has got balls too!
31 Aug 2012, 19:13 pm
lol – some v amusing afr banter here. it is a v rhythmic language actually.
31 Aug 2012, 19:18 pm
twinkle toed foxtrot fanny aching funagalo whispering whoopsie daisy kaleidoscopic creosoted cods-walloping crestfallen carry on up the Tugela
Ok I surrender. I am in awe.
Possibly the greatest quote in the history of Keo.
31 Aug 2012, 22:24 pm
@cab-827:
Vokken snaaks hoe hulle kan saamstem oor iets terwyl hulle “verskil.”
31 Aug 2012, 22:30 pm
@SodaJoe-828:
No doubt.
The funniest thing EVER said on Keo.
I laughed…and laughed… and laughed… after reading that.
Who said Skop has no sense of humour?
Hy skiet baie van die sogenaamde comics op die site ‘n kaart.
Vok, daai was bleddie snaaks.
31 Aug 2012, 23:14 pm
@Dylan-800:
“@789.Rhys7 – even though I think there are better players at 10 than Jantjies,”
Pity you did not name them. You have to remember that we are always talking about 5 players in every position on the field for the most part since there are only five franchises in the S15.
So afa FH goes we have Morne, Jantjies, Grant, Goosen, Sias Ebersohn and Lambie competing for the no. 10 position.
Who, in your mind, is better than Jantjies keeping in mind that Goosen was injured, Sias was his understudy, Lambie played full back because the Froggie played FH.
That leaves Morne and Grant as his competition. Who of the two is better than him? Honest opinion .
3 Sep 2012, 12:07 pm
They both suck
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