Jake hammers Heyneke
30 Aug 2012
Jake White says Heyneke Meyer’s game plan for the Springboks is not a winning one.
The Brumbies mentor was speaking at a fundraiser at Emperors Palace in Kempton Park, according to Die Burger.
‘Heyneke’s coaching style is not a style that will help the Boks to win,’ said White. ‘If you can’t score at least four tries against Argentina, then there is a big problem.’
White said Meyer’s long stint with the Bulls had inevitably influenced his approach at Test level.
‘Heyneke was always going to get criticism because of his background with the Bulls. He was chosen as [Bok] coach because of the success he achieved as Bulls coach and it will naturally play a role in the way he coaches the Boks.’
White said that the more pressure Meyer was put under, the more he would revert to what worked for him at the Bulls.
‘If, for example, he must choose between Gio Aplon and Zane Kirchner, he will choose Kirchner every time,’ he said.
Meanwhile, former Bok captain Bob Skinstad reportedly described Meyer as a ‘dictator’, adding that ‘you can see during the match how he has told the players exactly what to do. They must learn to adapt.’
However, Skinstad later tweeted that he had not used the word ‘dictator’.
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30 Aug 2012, 13:55 pm
@nama1-447: See… Now you talk sense all of a sudden…
Now, just to educate you a bit about Frans Steyn then you well and truly sorted…
Then you can call yourself a proper rugby fundi
30 Aug 2012, 13:55 pm
It would’ve been much better to select Goosen for the EOYT and give him some game time in order to expose him to the rigours of test match rugby.
This may very well be a Liefling/Gaffie scenario all over again.
The All Blacks and the way they are managing Cruden to take over from Carter,is the blueprint of how to bring a youngster through.
30 Aug 2012, 13:56 pm
so far only previous Bok coach who has not had a pop at HM is Pdivvy……………makes ya think doesnt it
30 Aug 2012, 13:57 pm
@Heavens Game-445: Goosen still lacks in distribution skills and tactical awareness. i’m also still unsure about his ability to make quicker decisions. Alot of his game is probably instinctive now, so that would have be change a bit to be more calculating. I’m also not convinced that he’d form a good partnership with Frans Steyn, because they are too alike.
30 Aug 2012, 13:57 pm
@theOracle-450: “I find that in SA talent is judged by how FAR a FH can kick…”
The truth… laid farken bare. Cannot agree more.
30 Aug 2012, 13:57 pm
@theOracle-450:
Quite ironic.
I read daily how the kicking approach is hated by South Africans but then fans punt a player because he can kick the furthest?
30 Aug 2012, 13:59 pm
@pompies2-454: Now you make sense big time… Interesting point on Goosen + Frans…
30 Aug 2012, 14:06 pm
@nama1-452: I tell you what… Woe betide the ABs put Cruden at 10 and Carter at 12 – a supercharged version of Mehrtens and Mauger – then the rest of the World of Rugby is in big bigshyte.
Classic five eigth pairing… Will unlock the AB’s to the next level. But maybe them sheepshaggers not so sharp and won’t.
30 Aug 2012, 14:07 pm
@Horings-438: you see what I’m talking abt?
30 Aug 2012, 14:07 pm
@nama1-452: best way to bring a new flyhalf through is to let him play another position in the team first.
Wilkinson played 12, Carter played 12, Larkham played 15, Cooper played 12, Hernandez played 15…list goes on.
30 Aug 2012, 14:08 pm
@PissAnt-456:
30 Aug 2012, 14:09 pm
@Heavens Game-451:
Hahaha…sure you’re not the one whose eyes not to be opened re Fransie.
Let’s see how he goes in the next four RC matches. See if he can “ignite” the Bok back line on attack like he did against NAMIBIA, SAMOA etc.
@theOracle-450:
So true.
The very reason why so few see Peter Grant in a Bok shirt.
30 Aug 2012, 14:11 pm
@pompies2-454: I agree with you regarding his general distribution, but will challenge your point about his tactical awareness.
If we are going on distribution only, Lambie is hands down the best option.
30 Aug 2012, 14:12 pm
@Hondo-440:
pollard will be a star at the bulls.
i believe.
30 Aug 2012, 14:12 pm
Here’s my team for the weekend. Keep in mind I didn’t select any players that are not in the current squad traveling to Perth on Saturday. My team is based on what there is at the moment. If there is one inclusion I would of made it is CJ Stander his fit and proved himself and deserves the spot above Jacque Potgieter.
Starting 15:
1 Beast (needs to be giving us that power beast we are so use to)
2 Strauss (Get stuck in more) (VC)
3 Jannie (Also needs to pick up his game)
4 Etsebeth (Will play better next to kruger in my opinion cause Bekker’s attitude is enough too disrupt the most talented of players – Bekker sets no example for this kid)
5 Kruger (Send Bekker back to Vodacom cup so he can realise no Springbok position is automatically handed to you just because your daddy was a bok 30 years ago)
6 Coetzee (I wont replace him with Louw yet, the youngster has played his heart out and shown some talent, just needs to get his head stuck in the ruck to protect and fight for some ball)
7 Alberts (not at 8 pls, 7 is his strength – he can cover 4 lock if Etsebeth is injured and Etsebeth can cover 5 if Kruger is injured)
8 Louw (Great all round loosie – covers 6, 7 & 8)
9 Hougaard (To be replaced after 40min by Pienaar, and moved to 14)
10 Lambie (M Steyn can warm the bench)
11 Mvovo
12 De Villiers (Needs to start playing like he use to, we need his vision and individual talent not just his leadership)(C)
13 De Jongh
14 Habana (Moves to 11 when Pienaar comes on)
15 F Steyn (I know Steyn has done well at 12 but De Jongh does well next to Jean, and Steyn has proven himself at 15 before and at the moment he is needed there because Kirchner has to go – plus on the upside Steyn can launch those killer drop-goals with ease and no real pressure when he covers the back)
Replacements:
16 Vermuelen (Cover 7 & 8)
17 Liebenberg/Burden (not sure here Burden’s throw-ins are not that sharp but then again I hate Liebenberg’s attitude)
18 Cilliers
19 Bekker/Flip (Think they are both sh#t and if it was up to me they wouldn’t be in the squad, one grandpa and a penalty production plant whats more depressing than these 2 hasbeens or never were’s)
20 Pienaar (9, 10 & 15 cover)
21 M Steyn (Let’s hope the experience on the bench opens his eyes a little and has a positive rather than negative effect on his future as a bok)
22 Goosen/Kirchner (Goosen is a brilliant talent and I really hate Kirchner and I don’t want him there but Goosen is just off injury and may break rather than shine in this game and that is something i dont want happening – so maybe I’ll go for Kirchner here not by choice but to protect a future prospect)
30 Aug 2012, 14:14 pm
@Heavens Game-445: Goosen is, in my opinion, very close to the perfect 10.
30 Aug 2012, 14:15 pm
@Horings-429: At least he isn’t a true provincial blessing in disguise but a huge negative impact for the boks.
30 Aug 2012, 14:16 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-464: In 2020, when he finally gets game time.
30 Aug 2012, 14:16 pm
@PissAnt-456: Yes, to be honest with you…
the first time I heard abt Goosen was here on Keo when someone posted his “67m kick from YouTube”… even then it drew oohhs & aaahhs from our “kenners” and comments abt the best talent ever discovered… that was before the rest of us actually watched the kid play… I’m sure some know him from his playing days at school…
Make no mistake… the kid is that good… but nothing has seperated him from Jantjies and Lambie, IMO, other than the fact that he kicks furthest
30 Aug 2012, 14:18 pm
@willievz-430: Seriously stop talking str*nt honestly when the question is asked to any sport supporter whether he would prefer a goal kicker with the highest stats or one that wins a game with the right kick when he is needed their answer will be – and do you really want me to answer this for you?
Pls say something of relevance don’t beat around the bush just to have a word.
30 Aug 2012, 14:19 pm
@lieflingblou-470: And a very good afternoon to you, too.
30 Aug 2012, 14:23 pm
@Heavens Game-458:
I think they played that way when Cruden came on late in the 2nd half last Saturday.
I won’t be surprised if that’s the route they’ll take for the rest of their RC campaign now that SBW is not available anymore.
Cruden at 10, Carter at 12 with Nonu in jersey 13. Where to look if you are the opposition.
30 Aug 2012, 14:23 pm
@theOracle-450: Given your comment I agree I’m not a lions man but I feel for the union and watch all their games regardless of being a supporter or not and Jantjies has been great under pressure behind one of the sh#ttest forward packs to ever play for a SA union except for Josh Strauss who I think is a great player with a whole lot of heart and dedication. But on the flipside i think Carlos had a great influence on Jantjies so the real test will come when jantjies has no more World class running 10 mentor by his side.
30 Aug 2012, 14:24 pm
@willievz-466: Fark, Willie… Your template for a perfect 10 then probably precludes any Honiballs, Wilkinsons and Larkhams…
Pretty decent 10′s, no?
30 Aug 2012, 14:26 pm
@Heavens Game-474: Did any of those names show similar potential / deliver match-winning performances at Super Rugby level than Goosen at 19?
Potentially, he could become greater than any of those names.
You are willing to acknowledge what Marcelle Coetzee can do at such a young age, why not Goosen?
30 Aug 2012, 14:28 pm
During Super Rugby I said Brussouw was working his butt off to protect a brave but fragile Goosen’s channel.
This led to Ratel being less of a threat at the breakdown as he took on the roll of tackler first before being a scavenger whereas he needed to be the first to go for the ball after a tackle has been made since the rule change of first releasing the tackled player (refs want daylight) before you can go for the steal.
30 Aug 2012, 14:28 pm
@nama1-472: Sheezus… I hope not.
It actually scares the living bejaysus out of me…
30 Aug 2012, 14:29 pm
@Big Hit-460:
The All Blacks are now doing it by playing the master at 12 and the pupil at 10.
Works fine imo.
But you’re right. Most of the great 10′s of the recent past started their career in another position.
With Larkham I think it was more a case of him being chucked into it because of a lack of quality FH in Aus at the time. At least in Rod’s mind.
30 Aug 2012, 14:31 pm
Nama Smith will play 13 if fit, that is a certainty.
30 Aug 2012, 14:32 pm
@willievz-471: Good afternoon Willie sorry for my blunt rant Willie, I’m just a bit worked up. But I do hope you understand my point regarding a kicking who does what expected but also whats needed of him when the time comes – kicking match winning penalties/drop goals rather than having the best stats. See I don’t mind Morne misses 50% of his kicks at goal as long as they are in matches where we are leading comfortably but when he misses vital kicks in close games when we need him most well thats the big concern.
30 Aug 2012, 14:33 pm
@willievz-468:
systems and structures, willie
its called systems and structures…
at the bulls they put the y into youth and the d into development.
30 Aug 2012, 14:34 pm
and Carter will still play mostly at 10, Carter/Nonu/Smith 90% of the time no need to tinker
30 Aug 2012, 14:34 pm
@lieflingblou-480: If you read my post 430 carefully, you will note that, actually, I agree 100% with you.
30 Aug 2012, 14:34 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-481: Lol, I know, just winding you up
30 Aug 2012, 14:36 pm
@willievz-475: Because much more is asked of a 10 than a flanker. A 10 is not surrounded and protected by a pack, his man alone with all eyes on him expected to make magic while a bunch of hungry forwards from the opposing team are storming towards him with only one thought in mind and that is to break his legs.
30 Aug 2012, 14:36 pm
@willievz-483: reading it right away
30 Aug 2012, 14:36 pm
@lieflingblou-470:
i usually beat around the bush to take a piss or to enjoy a naughty steek.
30 Aug 2012, 14:37 pm
@lieflingblou-480:
Yes, like Saturday when MS had the chance to win the game and missed…
30 Aug 2012, 14:40 pm
@Heavens Game-455: Been saying it for years. Goosens rise to fame was a 60m + penalty in schools rugby.
30 Aug 2012, 14:40 pm
@Gumboots-488: What’s also concerning is the kickable penalty JDV turned down early in the game, when we were 3-0 down.
This was a difficult kick, along the touchline, but one you would still expect Morne to get 8 out of 10.
JDV, mind you, also turned down a kickable penalty against England in the first test on the other side of the touchline.
Did he turn it down because he thought his forwards could get over for the 5 pointer, or did he have reservations about Morne’s kicking?
30 Aug 2012, 14:40 pm
@willievz-484:
hehehe
at the wp they put the Y and the M and the C and the A in to development
its a wind up
30 Aug 2012, 14:40 pm
@Heavens Game-458: already happened last weekend agains aussies
30 Aug 2012, 14:41 pm
@willievz-475: Come Willie…
Firstly, I dont buy that Goosen has been the awesome match winner he has been made out to be in Super Rugby
Secondly, I didn’t see a match winning performance from Goosen last Saturday, thats for sure… But yes, Goosen has just come back from serious injury…
However all three 10′s I have mentioned have come back from serious injuries and have won games where it counts… They also had pretty decent, courageous D that set them apart from other 10s.
Goosen hasn’t come back from injury yet… furthermore I have watched Goosen fail in a pressure game… I also reckon Goosen’s D leaves a lot to be desired.
30 Aug 2012, 14:41 pm
@lieflingblou-485:
yu should go into script writing.
30 Aug 2012, 14:42 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-487: The only reason for beating around the bush!
30 Aug 2012, 14:43 pm
@Gumboots-488: Exactly like Saturday and every single game the Bulls lost in this years S15 except for the second game against the sharks where the Bulls were completely outplayed.
30 Aug 2012, 14:44 pm
@Heavens Game-493:
absolutely, agreed.
fouche’s been far and away the flyhalf of the year so far.
30 Aug 2012, 14:44 pm
@Heavens Game-493: Let’s just say we differ on his abilities, then.
But I will leave you with some stats to ponder: at the time of his injury against the Highlanders, Goosen was the leading points scorer in his debut season of Super Rugby with 145 points from 9 games. The total includes 3 tries, 17 conversions, 31 penalties and a drop goal.
30 Aug 2012, 14:44 pm
When a SH/FH or any back line player for that matter, can perform consistently well behind a pack that takes a beating, you can sommer know that that player is very good.
Danie Gerber in an EP side.
Jaques Fourie at the Lions.
Andre Joubert at the Free State.
ELTON JANTJIES AT THE LIONS.
30 Aug 2012, 14:45 pm
@lieflingblou-485:
that was riveting.
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