Jake hammers Heyneke
30 Aug 2012
Jake White says Heyneke Meyer’s game plan for the Springboks is not a winning one.
The Brumbies mentor was speaking at a fundraiser at Emperors Palace in Kempton Park, according to Die Burger.
‘Heyneke’s coaching style is not a style that will help the Boks to win,’ said White. ‘If you can’t score at least four tries against Argentina, then there is a big problem.’
White said Meyer’s long stint with the Bulls had inevitably influenced his approach at Test level.
‘Heyneke was always going to get criticism because of his background with the Bulls. He was chosen as [Bok] coach because of the success he achieved as Bulls coach and it will naturally play a role in the way he coaches the Boks.’
White said that the more pressure Meyer was put under, the more he would revert to what worked for him at the Bulls.
‘If, for example, he must choose between Gio Aplon and Zane Kirchner, he will choose Kirchner every time,’ he said.
Meanwhile, former Bok captain Bob Skinstad reportedly described Meyer as a ‘dictator’, adding that ‘you can see during the match how he has told the players exactly what to do. They must learn to adapt.’
However, Skinstad later tweeted that he had not used the word ‘dictator’.
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30 Aug 2012, 16:21 pm
@Dawn-594: snakey – conrad smith
30 Aug 2012, 16:24 pm
@nama1-591: Not so sure about that. HM was only appointed DOR in 2011. The year the bulls were pathetic and only sticking to the seasoned players that were all over played, remember they did not even make the play-offs in 2011. So that makes for a conservative game plan last year and this year at the Bulls with Heynecke Meyer as DOR.
Ludeke was at the helm in 2009 61-17 Bulls beat Chiefs Bulls 8 tries to the chiefs 2) – thats expansive if you ask me and 2010 – final 25-17 Bulls beat Stormers – No HM then.
30 Aug 2012, 16:25 pm
@Transformation-600: Transie if you were coach would you have left Morne on? Be honest would you have after seeing how he offered nothing? Would you have tried out Lambie? He was right there on the bench.
I suppose you would not have either. If you having a laugh at it then you too would have kept Morne on……..
Morne has not offered much since 2010. Yet he is still there.
30 Aug 2012, 16:26 pm
@Transformation-600: one thing you can never accuse Puma of, that is not being loyal to his players
30 Aug 2012, 16:27 pm
Good heavens, you should see these one legged blokes on bikes in the velodrome!
Incredible stuff happening in London.
30 Aug 2012, 16:28 pm
@Puma-593:
Johan Sadie…that’s right.
Thanks Puma.
@Puma-593:
I can honestly see HM moving Frans to FB and bringing de Jongh in at centre.
Morne will probably have to play even poorer than last week, if that’s possible, for Lambie to get game time. All he needs to do is to kick over his first three attempts at goal and Lambie won’t get any game time.
I know how you feel. I felt the same way in the 3rd test vs England when Jantjies collected splinters while Morne was playing poorly..
30 Aug 2012, 16:28 pm
@Puma-603: Transie would have played jantjes, and never had Lambie close to a Bok team
30 Aug 2012, 16:29 pm
@Puma-603:
Hi Puma
30 Aug 2012, 16:30 pm
@nama1-606: Thing is Nama Lambie is yet to play a poor test and has 13 tests under his belt so he is not totally inexperienced,
But very true what you say, Morne would have to have 1 leg in the grave before he gets dropped
30 Aug 2012, 16:30 pm
@sharks_lover-607:
Is there a collective word for a mob of sharks supporters?
30 Aug 2012, 16:30 pm
@lieflingblou-602: NO, i disagree, tries scored does not translate to expansive, eg Springboks 2009 at the height of the Kick m Chase gameplan score more tries than both the All Blacks and Wallabies, the only team who managed a 4-try bonus point that year but NOWHERE near expansive, not by a long shot!
30 Aug 2012, 16:33 pm
@Puma-603: Puma, lambie injured his ankle here in PE playing FB, Jantjies was sitting on the bench the WHOLE game in PE, didn’t play a stitch, Morne was messing up big time – the crowd booed him.
did you complain that jantjies wasn’t used, if not, why?
30 Aug 2012, 16:34 pm
@Zandberg Jansen-595: it is a pity yes, but who knows maybe HM surprises us all, regarding all the heated pressure he is currently receiving from all corners.
30 Aug 2012, 16:36 pm
@nama1-606: I honestly don’t think JDJ or Lambie will come on at all. Meyer will not move Fransie Nama I can assure you that.
It frustrated me because Morne was playing terrible and we needed something to happen. Lambie might have got us going who knows. We will never know because he will now never get a chance. We drew the damn game and needed the 4 points not 2 points from it. Actually we needed 5 points for that game.
He did take Bekker off that was probably the worst players on the field. Then he had Flip there to replace him so the reason he did and Flip just gave a penalty away straight up.
30 Aug 2012, 16:36 pm
I think Jake White should keep his mouth shut from a purely patriotic point of view. I disagree with a lot of HM’s poor team selections, but I think former Bok coaches should button their arrogant beks for at least until the Championship is over. if we could exhibit that sort of gentlemanly solidarity, we would win the respect of the world rugby community.
30 Aug 2012, 16:36 pm
H.m is a good coach, “he thinks”…Well change yer gameplan of soccer and play rugby, aswell as selecting rugby players. Blockhead.
30 Aug 2012, 16:37 pm
@Puma-598: He is brilliant that kid I agree, I would of much rather put him in the squad than JJ. Even if he is ready I still think he can benefit from another season of S15.
30 Aug 2012, 16:38 pm
@Transformation-612: YES I wanted Jantjies on then too. This is NOT about Sharks players pal, it is about us winning. It is about the Boks which players will help us win. Jantjies would have been better than Morne that day most definitely. Damn shame he too sat on the bench. This time I was Lambie he would have offered far more than Morne.
Now why not answer my question I asked you. Would you have brought Lambie on when Morne offered nothing? I never asked about the PE test.
30 Aug 2012, 16:39 pm
@Transformation-575: Aaron Smith hasn’t been playing the last 2 years, Jimmy Cowan is a good box-kicker.
30 Aug 2012, 16:39 pm
@Puma-603: to answer you…
i rate lambie as a 10, more than morne…i would’ve started him at newlands and mendoza.
the point though is that the shrieks come out of NATAL when Sharks players get shaftef by meyer! you lot care more about “SharksBoks” than the Springboks.
if you expressed the same outrage when players from elsewhere get jerked around i wouldn’t be taking the piss right now
30 Aug 2012, 16:40 pm
JJ = The Andy Carroll of rugby. All legs and no brains. Play Lambie, ffs!
30 Aug 2012, 16:40 pm
@Big Hit-619: please! jimmy the boozer?
FdP try boxkicker? you’re overplaying it a bit Biggles
30 Aug 2012, 16:42 pm
@lieflingblou-602: yeah the Bulls were better under Ludeke in 2009 and 2010, and they did play expansive rugby (with Morne Steyn at 10).
30 Aug 2012, 16:42 pm
@sharks_lover-607: Transie would have played anyone but Lambie.
Also Jantjies would have been better too had he been brought no against England. Meyer just will NOT replace Morne. Unless it is for Goosen it seems.
Damn man I get so angry when we have a player on the bench that could have made a difference and he is just left there. We needed to win that test not draw it. Actually needed the 5 points. Now we have no chance that we drew. ABs will sail even more ahead now. Why do people always think we are talking about Sharks because we are Shark Supporters when we are actually talking about the Boks? Have no clue. When I talk about the Boks is as a Bok supporter and who suits us best there. Ag, give up with the stirrers here really.
30 Aug 2012, 16:43 pm
@Jinx2-615: Nah, here in SA Rugby we like to light a blowtorch underneath a Bok coach…
30 Aug 2012, 16:43 pm
@sharks_lover-609:
You guys at the Shark tank should settle on a position for him first.
Is he a FH or a FB?
I see that Puma says he will play only FH next year but how many games has he played there THIS year to be in line for a FH berth, whether as a starter or as FH reserve?
You are as good as you last game, they say. His last game (S15 semi final?) was not that good.Yes, I know he just returned from an injury.
Jantjies also “just returned from an injury” this past weekend and put up a MoM performance against WP.
PS: I like Lambie and rate him highly but he should not be there ahead of Jantjies right now imo.
30 Aug 2012, 16:43 pm
@Puma-624: meant = on against England.
30 Aug 2012, 16:44 pm
Lambie is A carter without speed and a boot…..
30 Aug 2012, 16:46 pm
@Transformation-620: Let us forget about Sharks here Transie. I was asking your opinion as a BOK supporter not about what Sharks do and don’t do. When Boks are playing I am not looking who plays for who. That don’t matter to me I just want what is best for the Boks.
In both tests against Arg Lambie would have been better. He was right there. That is what I am saying. Jantjie nor Goosen was there. We did have the service of Lambie and Meyer chose to ignore what he had. That is purely dumb dumb. Much like he left Jantjies on the bench against England. Jantjies would have offered far, far more than Morne. Just can’t understand what Meyer is thinking really. Now we sit with 2 bloody points intead of 4 the very least against Arg in that last test. Abs will be just to hard to chase now.
30 Aug 2012, 16:48 pm
@carol-608: Hello Carol,
Sorry I missed your post. How you doing young lady? Hope well.
30 Aug 2012, 16:48 pm
@Puma-624: Our subbing and all teams subbing for that matter is useless. If you can see Morne is no where (Eng 3rd test), why not take him off after 30min or why not bring on Pienaar to take the kicks. Same goes for Lambie in the super 15 final, he was having a shocker at fullback and Viljoen was one of our best players the week before so why not sub him on after 20min? It seems a coach can only bring a player on after 60 or 70 min as pre planned before the game. Amazing
30 Aug 2012, 16:49 pm
@blik-596: Good squad for next year but Pieter Steph-Du Toit better improve his line-out play as the Junior Boks were shocking really really shocking with their line-outs, but other than that a great athlete and a sizy bugger as well.
Bekker on the other hand doesn’t deserve his bok spot this year and I highly doubt he will deserve it next year. I think his on his way out. And for the boks sake I hope he realises that. It is preposterous to field a 5 lock – who in todays time should be a playmaker, setup good ball from fixed play – that can not even play for 50min at a time. If he is to play for the boks any longer he urgently needs a reality check on the following terms:
1. A place in the bok team isn’t inherited its earned through hard work, and even harder play when on the field.
2. He needs to improve his attitude and be a role model for the younger players
3. Stop faking little injuries and niggles because of being unfit just so he doesn’t have to play a full 80
4. Realise that his aspirations of becoming a world class centre or wing will never come true, and get stuck into the ruck – clean some people and protect the damn ball
5. And for god sake start tackling – his a giant and is suppose to be intimidating but all he does is slip tackles all over the place
6. I know he is the tallest lock in world rugby and to ever represent the boks but damnit does he have that little brains that he thinks that means he doesn’t have to jump to contest the opposition line-out because he can merely stick his arm up and catch it????
Mallett might be an @ss but he was right Bekker current performance is a damn disgrace for the nation and the Boks.
30 Aug 2012, 16:53 pm
@Puma-624:
“Why do people always think we are talking about Sharks because we are Shark Supporters when we are actually talking about the Boks?”
Be honest now Puma. If you were given the opportunity to select the Bok team for the test against the Aussies, it would mostly be Sharks. Up to twelve by my last count.
30 Aug 2012, 16:54 pm
@lieflingblou-632: i agree bekker is a pima donna, useless on opposition ball, doesn’t even jump!
kankowski made him his b.itch this year…
30 Aug 2012, 16:54 pm
@Transformation-622: I don’t really understand your argument. It seems to be that a kicking 9 doesn’t take the pressure off a kicking 10. It doesn’t stand up to any scrutiny.
When using a kicking gameplan it is better to have kickers in both positions otherwise you put all the pressure onto one of them.
30 Aug 2012, 16:54 pm
Lambie is a 10.
Not a 15.
30 Aug 2012, 16:55 pm
@lieflingblou-632: I’m sure Bekker is still injured. I’m very disappointed in his performance !! If he is still carrying an injury, he should go back to rehab, or else he should start pulling his weight.
30 Aug 2012, 16:55 pm
@nama1-626: Nama,
Have you all forgot the whole of S15 season? Lambie started more at fh than fb. It was only when he was injured that Fred played fh. Then again towards the end when we had to go for broke to win every game that Plum played Fred and Pat at the same time against Stormers at the Tank. That was a MUST win game for us. We needed both on the field. The only way was to play Pat at fb as he can play there. Pat actually was superb that day at fb must say, but he is even a better fh. He got injured in the Endland test then Fred started all games for Sharks at fh. Pat only came back for half a game against Cheetahs at fb. Again a MUST win game and Plum played them both. But if we count all the games Pat played he mostly played fh this year. Because Fred played fh towards the end it seems people think it was Fred at fh. Lambie was our 1st choice fh and Freddie played scrummie at the start. Think on our tour overseas Lambie was injured for two games. I think as remember he was injured there and Fred played two games there. Then Fred played from the Cheetahs game at Bloem at fh for Sharks and like I said when Lambie was injured during the season. He will again be our 1st choice next year. Also by the way I heard that Jantjies may be heading to Sharks next year. I personally hope not as who will start when again? Both should be starting every game so hope Jantjies heads to Stormers.
30 Aug 2012, 16:57 pm
@willievz-636: AMEN. I totally agree.
He can play very well at fb and 12 but he is superb 10. Pat is a flyhalf.
30 Aug 2012, 16:59 pm
@willievz-636: Yes Willie and as far as I can recall, Ricardo Loubscher said at a press conference earlier this year that the Boks’ coaching staff regard him as a 10 and not a 15. Will Goosen be on the bench against Aus and or ABs ? If not, why did HM not leave him at home to regain match fitness in the Currie Cup (same with Vermeulen) ?
30 Aug 2012, 16:59 pm
@Puma-624: “Why do people always think we are talking about Sharks because we are Shark Supporters when we are actually talking about the Boks? Have no clue.”
well let me give you a hint…because you are ALWAYS talking about “SharksBoks”, i don’t recall anyone else on this blog referring to “StormersBoks” or “CheetahBoks”. you reserve your ire for when sharks players get jerked…
if what happened to siya was happening to marcell you would’ve damn near had a Facebook petition to get Heyneke fired
30 Aug 2012, 16:59 pm
@nama1-633: I want the best players Nama. Can I help it that most come from the Sharks? hahahahaha. Now I am joking…hehe.
I want the best for the Boks and truly don’t care which union they play for.
30 Aug 2012, 16:59 pm
@Puma-638:
Bambie has never been the first choice fh for the farkies, and next year wil be scond choice again…..
30 Aug 2012, 17:00 pm
@Transformation-611: Completely true, but in this game it was a direct result of expansive attacking rugby http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsfhnNvodnw&feature=related
take a look.
30 Aug 2012, 17:01 pm
@Transformation-641: Then we should just mention names. Not which franchise they come from. Just seems easier that way.
Next year wait you gonna get it when your Kings play. Jeepers you gonna get it from many…………..hahaha.
30 Aug 2012, 17:01 pm
You can’t blame people when they think it is SharkBoks first before the Springboks. Ask any Shark fan on this site to post his “Bok team” and it will not differ much from the following:
15. Ludik
14. JPP (if available)
13. Jordaan (thanks for services rendered “Donkey”)
12. Frans
11. Mvovo
10. Lambie
9. Hougie (special mention of McLeod)
8. Kankowski
7. Alberts (special mention of Deysel)
6. Coetzee
5. Bresler (spescial mention of PSDT)
4. Etzebeth
3. Jannie
2. Bismarks (special mention of Burden)
1. Beast
30 Aug 2012, 17:02 pm
@willievz-636: heyneke disagrees, PdV disagreed!
Puma and his mates were ecstatic about lambie @ fullback at the world cup, they couldn’t understand why zane was preferred by meyer…so if lambie is a 10, then he must play 10!
30 Aug 2012, 17:03 pm
@Big Hit-623: exactly!!!
30 Aug 2012, 17:04 pm
@Transformation-634: A few other guys made him their b!tch as well!
30 Aug 2012, 17:06 pm
@lieflingblou-617: Sorry bud only saw your post now.
Yip Jordaan is pure class.
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