Jake hammers Heyneke
30 Aug 2012
Jake White says Heyneke Meyer’s game plan for the Springboks is not a winning one.
The Brumbies mentor was speaking at a fundraiser at Emperors Palace in Kempton Park, according to Die Burger.
‘Heyneke’s coaching style is not a style that will help the Boks to win,’ said White. ‘If you can’t score at least four tries against Argentina, then there is a big problem.’
White said Meyer’s long stint with the Bulls had inevitably influenced his approach at Test level.
‘Heyneke was always going to get criticism because of his background with the Bulls. He was chosen as [Bok] coach because of the success he achieved as Bulls coach and it will naturally play a role in the way he coaches the Boks.’
White said that the more pressure Meyer was put under, the more he would revert to what worked for him at the Bulls.
‘If, for example, he must choose between Gio Aplon and Zane Kirchner, he will choose Kirchner every time,’ he said.
Meanwhile, former Bok captain Bob Skinstad reportedly described Meyer as a ‘dictator’, adding that ‘you can see during the match how he has told the players exactly what to do. They must learn to adapt.’
However, Skinstad later tweeted that he had not used the word ‘dictator’.
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30 Aug 2012, 21:03 pm
@carol-750: yes about 25mil of the 45mil South Africans
30 Aug 2012, 21:03 pm
Serious lack of class for ex coach to criticize the incumbant. But we do expect that from JW.
HM will succeed, he will always be successful in the long run. Thats wat he made of. Quite simple actually.
30 Aug 2012, 21:04 pm
@sharks_lover-731: I couldn’t give two continental hoots what you toss box think of me.. not a twinkle toed foxtrot fanny aching funagalo whispering whoopsie daisy kaleidoscopic creosoted cods-walloping crestfallen carry on up the Tugela idea you may have of me.
It don’t change the facts from the fanny apple farm fantasy .. I know what I know.. and as much as you wanna carry on make believing you understand triviality from reality .. keep wishfully thinking your sharkshit bananarama queens are the bay watching beeswax business while the ramshackle truth shall perhaps one day by some graciously placed lucky packet enchilada still set you free..
30 Aug 2012, 21:05 pm
@hanneslom-752: that ex coach is trash.. through and through.. the punk simply cannot help himself his rampant ego has always been and will always be totally self beseeching way out of control…
30 Aug 2012, 21:06 pm
@sharks_lover-748:
It would come with time, the guy is still sorting his team out
If he played a team of newbies against the Poms and lost the same choir would have wanted his head
With them it’s the same mantra, “SARU must fire Heyneke* because he ……”, fill in the flavour of the day complaint
*-Actually any coach not only Heyneke, in SA a couch must beat the All Blacks 50-3 in the first test with last year’s kindergarten team, that’s how objective the Keo Premature Ejaculation Supporters Club is
30 Aug 2012, 21:06 pm
@fitz1ella-753: BWAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA, I DIDNT EXPECT ANY LESS A RANT THAN THAT
Yes you know what you know, and it is still ZERO
30 Aug 2012, 21:08 pm
@fitz1ella-754:
For once I agree with you, JW might have won the WC for us but he’s a doos
Typical onderwyser houding, I always know better that anybody else
30 Aug 2012, 21:09 pm
not a twinkle toed foxtrot fanny aching funagalo whispering whoopsie daisy kaleidoscopic creosoted cods-walloping crestfallen carry on up the Tugela idea you may have of me.
Bwahahahaha….
30 Aug 2012, 21:09 pm
@victoriabok-755: As much as i want to agree Vic, i dont also as his plahyer choices tell me a different story, also i have no doubt that he had no clue as how to utalise KD’s talent, i mean he knew Keegan was never gonna be a crunching basher type loose forward. Also the Kicking game always seems to be the only option he has.
30 Aug 2012, 21:11 pm
@nama1-758:
Nama look i know he is youe mate, but **** he is one crazy old Coot, and he sure rants like no other lol
30 Aug 2012, 21:19 pm
@sharks_lover-759:
Everyone has their favourite, I was pissed when JW took f-ucking useless Bobo
on the EOYT instead of Ettienne Botha in 2004 but just it, there will always be players missing the team that you fancy
The man had no time to prepare the team, he had injuries during the S15 on all or most of the key players he had planned to use when he was appointed in January, and a few more injured since
The team now has very little test experience compared to the more than 900 tests of last year’s team
Give him a chance, everyone loses, that’s how you learn
Keegan would be brilliant off the bench
30 Aug 2012, 21:22 pm
@sharks_lover-759:
> Also the Kicking game always seems to be the only option he has
With Morne, yes
But wasn’t Lambie also injured this year?
Why do they play the Frog instead of giving Lambie gametime at the Sharks?
It would make more sense to play him, he’s the future isn’t he?
30 Aug 2012, 21:27 pm
Mmmm… Red meat always good… Back for a little while
30 Aug 2012, 21:30 pm
@fitz1ella-753: Man you are seriously funny. Been a visitor to this site since day 1, for past 3-4 years almost never to post bit do follow some threads, alowing work to get in the way I guess. You never fail to entertain. Keep it coming!
30 Aug 2012, 21:30 pm
@fitz1ella-753: WTF? LOL… No… ROTFLMAO… Sheezus…
I bow down in awe at this onomatopoeia orgy…
Beyootiful…
“Carry on up the Tugela”, now that is some of the funniest shy.te I have read in ages…
30 Aug 2012, 21:31 pm
@Heavens Game-763:
Which kind, chops or V-Bone steak?
30 Aug 2012, 21:31 pm
typo – allowing…
30 Aug 2012, 21:32 pm
@Heavens Game-765: one funny mahfugga…
30 Aug 2012, 21:33 pm
everyone going on about goosen and flouw.
neither are likely to feature much on tour – flouw pretty weak anyway, minnie is better.
biggest travesty is gio aplon – way, way more of a rugby player than kirchner.
heyneke needs a wake up – bigger is not always better.
30 Aug 2012, 21:33 pm
@Heavens Game-765:
> “Carry on up the Tugela”,
Is that like the “Carry on” movies they used to make?
30 Aug 2012, 21:37 pm
@victoriabok-766: The kind Skop is in more dire need of than a room full of blowjobs… Struth, the funny old farker’s got a Vitamin B imbalance like never seen before…
30 Aug 2012, 21:37 pm
@fitz1ella-753: classic skop!
30 Aug 2012, 21:38 pm
@hanneslom-768: Farken madder than a pack of rabid dogs, I tell you that for free…
30 Aug 2012, 21:41 pm
@victoriabok-770:
Thats how I saw it… Maybe Skop got no clue about any “Carry on” stuff, but if he did mean it, then a farken spurt of comic genius for certain…
Lol… Still chuckling
30 Aug 2012, 21:42 pm
Now I’m really out for the count tonight… Banshee farken chewing my ear at the moment…
30 Aug 2012, 21:43 pm
@Heavens Game-771:
Need to organize a date for him?
He should come visit me, I’ll hook him up with a West Coast Hippie woman with hemp sandals and unshaven legs (and whatever else) living off the land organically
There are tons of those around, surviving on Spelt and Quinoa
Match made in heaven?
30 Aug 2012, 21:43 pm
@Heavens Game-773: I hear they turned him down for One Flew over Coockoo’s nest, official reason listed as “Crazy mahfugga”
30 Aug 2012, 21:44 pm
went for Jack instead…that’s why he’s so pissed…
30 Aug 2012, 21:49 pm
@Heavens Game-774: I saw all them Sydney James movies long before you were conceived.. so its keep on carrying on up the Tugela for you pooh pooh.
30 Aug 2012, 21:53 pm
@fitz1ella-779:
Skop, if you were to pick three players from each other S12/14/15 team to play for the Stormers, who would it have been, say the last 10-15 years?
30 Aug 2012, 21:54 pm
@fitz1ella-779:
Carry on Emanuelle?
30 Aug 2012, 21:56 pm
Luvly!
30 Aug 2012, 22:05 pm
@victoriabok-780:
For the Bulls I would have picked
Sharks
Teichmann
Bismarck
Botes (at his prime he could have been a Bok)
Cheetahs
Juan Smit
Brussouw
Os
Lions
Baywatch (at his prime)
Ernst Joubert
Taute
Stormers
Schalk
Kitshoff
Jacque Fourie
30 Aug 2012, 22:12 pm
@fitz1ella-779:
Sid James
Classic!
30 Aug 2012, 23:01 pm
Old jake just can’t help himself, maybe he us just speaking his mind, but I’m starting to feel a bit sorry for meyer.
I should calm down too – he’s only doing his best but fk me no more potgieter, asb, not for meyers sake but the boks – I actually find it quite bizarre with the talent in sa at tge moment how badly tge so-called kenners can actually get it.
30 Aug 2012, 23:05 pm
One thing about meyer I have never heard him criticising other coaches, at least in public. but he did lay all the blame at his players feet for saturday and that was nonsense.
30 Aug 2012, 23:08 pm
Sid James was south African, might have even from the east rand – south African cockney bizarre.
31 Aug 2012, 01:00 am
Gio Aplon for Kirchner
Elton Jantjes for Morne Steyn
Jean Deysel for Flip VD Merwe
Keegan Daniel for Potgieter
Heinrich Brussouw, Schalk Burger, Siya Kolisi, Coenie Oosthuzyen, Bismark Du Plessis
all to come back in place of
Louw, Greyling, Burden, Potgieter etc..
31 Aug 2012, 01:03 am
All Meyer has to do is drop Kirchner and Morne for Jantjes and Aplon and he will be backed. Plus he wins on a transformation front with Jantjes for Morne…Jantjes is better anyway
31 Aug 2012, 02:32 am
@fitz1ella
Did someone steal your lunch? Pinch your car? Burgle your house? What are you having such a rant about exactly? It certainly can’t have been a good day for you. Absolutely no lucidity in what your statements. Right ideas, terrible way of describing them. Full of Ad Hominem and abuse. How about sticking to the rugby, rather than making abusive personal attacks towards other users. You’re no where near as clever as you think. I doubt you’d be able to call 100% of the Springboks games correctly from now until the season is out.
31 Aug 2012, 02:34 am
Jack is allowed to speak his mind, a brillant coach and great person. How many teams provincal / international use the rush defence these days? Nearly all, including the Abs….was that not Jake who introduced it?
As i recall nobody was pee’d we had won the WC. Funny how dumb people are especially in SA. There is no country in the world that would speak of him badly if he was their coach, only in SA , what a bunch of red-necks. Usually i use that term fir kiwis, beacause they are,(having been there myself) but golly there’s a lot of them here. And all the racist **** dealt by the racist government, jees he handled that pretty well if you ask me.
You could clearly see Meyer shouting orders, you have heard M Steyn mention that he has never had the oppotunity to play his style of game thanks to the orders dictated. He is not amasing but he is not bad either. He needs to develop his game, on attack and defence(mmm, is there anything else to develop?) Aplon is a very risky player thanks to his size but he can be utilised against most teams, not all. His technique at tackling is brillant, M Steyn should use his technique as he is a push over. He is a bit of a girl when it comes to tackling, goes high, always looses 5m.
I dont disagree with jake’s comment, but at the same time Meyer needs to find his feet, he has not done it yet. The pressure is mounting which will shove his back against the wall. How he will cope is what we will find out. There is no point in talking about Meyer really because its too early. Of course he will use some maybe more Bulls rugby, but that is obvious. We all know where his success was, the SA rugby company wanted him, so they must be sattisfied, all those managers, ceo and cronies. They all know waht Meyer has to offer. He would not have been picked otherwise.
Some of you sound like kids, perhaps you should be player rugby and not staring at the PC hey!
If you note any legendary coach, the media will always go to them and ask for there opinion, Jones, Henry, Woodward, they all get asked these same questions.
Gees you guys are like bloody 2 yr olds.
31 Aug 2012, 06:54 am
@Greenies-791:
The rush defence is one of the oldest and most basic and it was Gary Gold who reintroduced it, not Jake.
31 Aug 2012, 08:06 am
@fitz1ella-753: What a classic….I would pay an entrance fee to have logged on and read that.
genius Skop….seriously my man….had me in laughter for minutes here….great stress relief!!
31 Aug 2012, 10:10 am
And the knives go in!
Any of you that have seen me post will know im a massive Jake White fan.
But I think Jake needs to stay out of this if he wants to to get rid of the Jake the snake tag.
But pretty sure we’ll be begging for Jake back come 4 years
31 Aug 2012, 10:12 am
@Greenies-791: no, it wasn’t jake who introduced it, GARY GOLD taught jake the rush defence…
31 Aug 2012, 10:12 am
@David-792: oh, i see you’ve made the correction already
31 Aug 2012, 10:51 am
@hanneslom-752: Mallet also critiszed him, plus add to the fact that HM wanted to steal JW’s job in 2006, people have short memories.
31 Aug 2012, 10:59 am
@David-792: But Jake was the first international coach to use it! We are not talking about bloody AVIVA premiership….ai.
31 Aug 2012, 11:43 am
@752.hanneslom said
lack of class my bum man, don’t you remember the front page newspaper heading “Koebaai Jake” from HM? this was coming from a provincial coach at the time, where all provincial coaches should be supporting the National head coach. If I was Jake at this moment I would be scrutinising HM as well. How can we have a coach that is worse than his predecessor? His record so far stands at a 60% win ration, not good enough!!! Even PdV did better than him. Where is your argument?
Andre Markgraaf (1996) 61%
Carel du Plessis (1997) 37%
Nick Mallet (1997-2000) 71%
Harry Viljoen (2000-2002) 53%
Rudolph Straeuli (2002-2003) 52%
Jake White (2004-2007) 67%
Peter de Villiers (2008-??) 63%
31 Aug 2012, 12:14 pm
@759.sharks_lover – perfectly said!!!
@761.victoriabok – fine, agreed he didn’t have much time to prepare, but player choice does not matter in your argument of time, how can you select ZK in place of PL? that is one of the worst calls I have seen in recent years, find me a South African who disagrees with me on that. And yes, KD would be brilliant off the bench, but he only got half a chance, tell me how Potgieter gets more than 1 chance, even though his rugby is less than good? I do agree with your statement after that though, if they are not gona use Lambie then send him back to the Sharks, at least he is appreciated there, HM has no regard for his future.
@769.charo – totally agree, GA or PL way before ZK!!!
@785.cab – exactly, Potgieter, Flip van der Merwe are barely tackle bag holders, how they get into the team I haven’t a clue. Bring back KD and he sure will do better off the bench than these Potgieter ever will be. FH should be on the wing for goodness sake (either off the bench or starting in place of BH), put Ruan on at 9, every1 I have spoken to agrees with that, And well as much as I think M Steyn has done brilliantly in the passed, his game is boring, doesn’t win us games because he is too predictable, bring Goosen off the bench for the next 2 games then let him start. And for Pete’s sake put Lambie on the field!!!
@789.Rhys7 – even though I think there are better players at 10 than Jantjies, I agree with you, rather send Morne home, he does not deserve to be there at all.
@791.Greenies – well said, and yes give HM time, but man, get someone else to select the team. Maybe there should be an SMS line and whoever gets the most votes from the public gets into the team? Ha, joke.
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