Jake hammers Heyneke
30 Aug 2012
Jake White says Heyneke Meyer’s game plan for the Springboks is not a winning one.
The Brumbies mentor was speaking at a fundraiser at Emperors Palace in Kempton Park, according to Die Burger.
‘Heyneke’s coaching style is not a style that will help the Boks to win,’ said White. ‘If you can’t score at least four tries against Argentina, then there is a big problem.’
White said Meyer’s long stint with the Bulls had inevitably influenced his approach at Test level.
‘Heyneke was always going to get criticism because of his background with the Bulls. He was chosen as [Bok] coach because of the success he achieved as Bulls coach and it will naturally play a role in the way he coaches the Boks.’
White said that the more pressure Meyer was put under, the more he would revert to what worked for him at the Bulls.
‘If, for example, he must choose between Gio Aplon and Zane Kirchner, he will choose Kirchner every time,’ he said.
Meanwhile, former Bok captain Bob Skinstad reportedly described Meyer as a ‘dictator’, adding that ‘you can see during the match how he has told the players exactly what to do. They must learn to adapt.’
However, Skinstad later tweeted that he had not used the word ‘dictator’.
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30 Aug 2012, 11:16 am
@stew-299:
Just watch him on match day… Does that answer your question?
30 Aug 2012, 11:17 am
@stew-280: Meyer has the benefit of an adoring public, administrators and journalists (or he HAD).
P Divvy might have had experienced players to start off with…..but ZERO support. From ANY quarters.
30 Aug 2012, 11:17 am
@Transformation-287: And the SA public are the most understanding bunch LOL
30 Aug 2012, 11:17 am
@stew-286: Not so much that, but a certain extent Boks will need him there, sure….
But the real suicide is persisting with JdV at 13 and Hougaard at 9 in his present state of play….
Tell you what, even moving Zane Kirchner to 13 is a better option than our Cappie there…. And that says it all about my faith in JdV’s ability or potential as an outside back.
30 Aug 2012, 11:18 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-302:
…too true! Hurrican Isaac might be striking soon…
30 Aug 2012, 11:19 am
The next thing the Captain will get the blame… Oh that has just happened…
30 Aug 2012, 11:19 am
@Heavens Game-304:
“You and Transie overrate my ability to subliminally state what I am not… ”
Say WHAT???
30 Aug 2012, 11:20 am
The praise singers started with the coach and now the captain…
Who is next in line – let me guess – Vermeulen…
30 Aug 2012, 11:20 am
@Gumboots-296: No dearlord. He looks one small clot away from a stroke mate.
@Transformation-300: Bakkies (bless his soul) would probably say, Fourie du Preez. (in absentia)
30 Aug 2012, 11:21 am
@Heavens Game-304: Never rated JDV at 12 either … IMO the Steyn / Fourie combination at the 2007 WC was the best pairing SA have had in a while … To be honest as people of the Black we were scared of that combo
30 Aug 2012, 11:22 am
@Gumboots-308:
…and he has yet to play a game…
30 Aug 2012, 11:24 am
HM is scared of scorn and has thus kept Lambie in the squad.
He should have just sent him back to his union. He is getting splinters in the a rse…
He doesn’t rate the bloke so why the smokescreen…
30 Aug 2012, 11:26 am
@Transformation-292: I am no “Hater”… I differ from you in that I actually reckon HM’s mantra of “execution before innovation” makes sense… I also do not blindly worship at the altar of Wayne “Techno” Smith like an adolescent fanboy as some here clearly do…
Meyer has come across as a methodical, rational and intelligent coach – a man with a plan – an excellent contrast and far superior option to the little madman who came before him…
But this latest decision comes across exactly as Te Rangi mentioned earlier – the plan is not there any more. It is being abandoned… and some decisions are now illogical.
In short, Meyers latest decisions make as much sense as you normally do… Not much and vacillating on a fence…
30 Aug 2012, 11:27 am
@Dawn-307: If you cant keep up wench… tough… Bring yourself up to speed.
30 Aug 2012, 11:29 am
when this two faced arsewipe opportunistic Fakey Hero wanna climb in on the lynch brigade that’s when I change my tune and stand behind Meyer and try get the poor misinformed dude to learn the ropes quick and start swimming before he drowns.
This other 2 face fake arse snake got saved from getting his overrated arse booted to kingdom come in 2006 after capitulation of the grandest proportions to all and sundry by 49-0 to Aussie in Brisbane and 45-26 to NZ at home in the same year with a grand win % of 30% vs NZ, 25% vs France and less than 50% vs Ireland and England overall.
Yet this poor pathetic moron of a coach who needed help from every possible quarter to fluke a no contest WC where anyone with a vague coaching credential could have taken out 12 rank Fiji, 6 rank Argentine and 7 rank England to cream a pisseasy no contest competition made up in heaven.
Now the 2 face creeping cretin got the gall to come out swinging like he’s Gods gift to SA coaching bewilderment.
Meyer may be raw and inexperienced and got some serious self made handicaps of his own but this other fake was the greatest f’ng overrated charlatan blustering his way through a coaching tenure that produced some of Boks biggest hidings ever in history, till he got bailed out his non composed mesmerized moronic misfit misfortune by other better equipped coaches than he could ever have hoped to become.
30 Aug 2012, 11:30 am
@Heavens Game-314:
I’m slow that way
You have to explain it to me
sloowwly.
30 Aug 2012, 11:32 am
MESSAGE TO MEYER
Bok game plan should be the following – simple:
1) Secure basics: Scrum, lineout, kickoffs, make touch
– Also compete, especially at lineouts
2) Secure breakdowns, if opposition arent committing then drive through
3) Defensive structure used by the Stormers in Super 15
4) Have fun, play into space, offload first option if not on, place the ball arm length away and secure “lightly” ; only kick in own half, run angles, play the overlap
Select a team that will enable us to achieve this plan – Fetcher or “securer” first choice Brussow. Injured so look at alternatives Flo (good selection), Minnie, Floors has done the job in the past very well, Stegman (Needs some coaching from his mate Brussow)
Also you need a flyhalf that makes the opposition nervous on defence, Morne is not that man and hes not even the best kicker at the moment.
I know you a good coach, just need to adapt to 2012 and pronto
30 Aug 2012, 11:33 am
@stew-310: 100% right… They were an excellent combo… The only thing that came close was JdJ and Fourie for Stormers in 2010 Super Rugby… The return of the Munster Reject Messiah put paid to that once and for all… Now JdJ bounces in and out the Bok squad like a pinball…
30 Aug 2012, 11:34 am
@Heavens Game-314:
Unless you are subliminally stating what you are not …………….
30 Aug 2012, 11:35 am
@Bok fan-317: Although nothing really new in 2012, just that the breakdown has become an absolute joke and every ref calls each ruck differently from 1 move to the next, hence the importance of a specialist
30 Aug 2012, 11:35 am
Where’s that malkop Blitzbok
He’s way more entertaining than pseudo intellectual shorkshits
He tell it like it is
30 Aug 2012, 11:35 am
I hear Jakey’s bought a holiday house in Fish Hoek which he plans to retire to one day…
30 Aug 2012, 11:36 am
@BrumbiesBoy-322:
Nothing available in Aus???
30 Aug 2012, 11:36 am
Can I ***** it?
Yes you can.
30 Aug 2012, 11:38 am
@BrumbiesBoy-322:
Jake has a sugar mommy.
He will be aiming a little higher than Vishoek.
30 Aug 2012, 11:38 am
@gunther-324:
Oooo jinne
30 Aug 2012, 11:39 am
@Dawn-319: Careful… with that line of thinking it could possibly be that I am subliminally stating that you are a “classless, toothless dronkgat from the mjondolos between CT airport and the City”…. Which I am not… Clearly.
30 Aug 2012, 11:41 am
Lambie, Burden, Goosen, Vermuelen all should be playing for their provinces this weekend.
All in need of some game time.
Seems ludicrous to haul Goosen and Vermuelen out of getting some valuable game time only for them to travel to Aus and NZ completely undercooked after long injury layoffs.
30 Aug 2012, 11:43 am
@John Galt-328:
I have to agree. Why call up players who haven’t had enough game time and keep players who clearly won’t be in the mix. I for one am shocked with the treatment Lambie gets. You can actually see his frustration on the bench… Get them back to their unions where they would add value to their teams…
30 Aug 2012, 11:44 am
This HG reckons he’s a rugby fundi just the other day he was lording the heralding of Meyer the Messiah till Boks drew in Mendoza now he wanna blame Hougaard and de Villiers. This moegoe don’t know the first thing about what comprises rugby strategy. Since his darling Keegan got booted and Marvelous Marcel been showed up as another fancy boy with more show than substance he wanna go cry behind Plums little petticoat trails.
Meyer slowly turning around and recognizing his faults and neither Hougaard at 9 nor De Villiers at 13 are either. Those 2 gotta stay put as long as De Villiers carrying the cappie can because there are none other anywhere remotely qualified enough to don the captain arm band. Unless next in line Frans Louw becomes that man.
Meantime Meyer got to get the show on the road with a tough front row and 2nd row and a back row that works at the breakdown, Alberts at 8 with Potgieter 7 and Coetsee / Daniel 6 most certainly don’t.
Once Meyer fixes front 8 and fly half and full back, the rest of the connundrum falls neatly into place.
Hougaard was 1000 times more effective than Pienaar and De Villiers was the only back finding some space, not their fault the other hopeless lost in transit morons Steyn, Habana, Mvovo, Kirchner got no g’dam gas or guts or gees of their own.
30 Aug 2012, 11:46 am
One thing is for certain… King Heyneke is a 100% improvement on the insane little dwarf predecessor who was clearly out of his league from day one being in charge of the Boks.
But 100% of zero might not be much at the end of the day – especially if a coach hasn’t got the mental fortitude to deal with the pressures of the Bok job… An individual can be the best coach on the planet – but the pressures of the Bok job can boil the frog slowly…
I hope to goodness that the pressure aint getting to Meyer already and that we see his Leicester debacle as a prescient prelude to his current position…
Then the Boks are farked before they hardly even begun.
30 Aug 2012, 11:47 am
@fitz1ella-315: Hmmm… maybe. But HM now also ‘lost’ to England and Arg. Furthermore, it seems you forget that the 49-0 embarrassment was with almost an entirely Bulls team… all players at that time being coached by HM and Pote Human.
But Jake’s comments are ironic since most of the things he said about the type of player HM prefers, was also Jake’s preference at that time. He started with the ‘boks should be big rather than skilled’ ****.
30 Aug 2012, 11:48 am
@Heavens Game-313: How does “execution over innovation” reconcile with HM’s decision to select Potgieter over Daniel, sighting a horses for courses reason.
That’s 2 contrasting philosophies. As long as HM is unwilling to adapt, he can choose any players at his disposal, the end results will stay the same. Only thing different is that the Boks will fall even further behind.
If we really wanted to be fair to Heyneke, we’d say that this team plays as if they are coaching themselves.
30 Aug 2012, 11:48 am
@Heavens Game-331:
That is one of my bigger reservations of HM.
Jeez the oke looks way over emo in the coaches box sometimes.
Looks like he’s about to go postal at any moment.
30 Aug 2012, 11:48 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-213: Their inexperience at test level is glaring mate, Meyer has some experience but the others are novices and don’t have a clue what’s happening, Jim comes to Joburg scenario.
30 Aug 2012, 11:50 am
@Heavens Game-313: @Heavens Game-290: “You and Transie overrate my ability to subliminally state what I am not”
484.Heavens Game:
28 Aug 2012, 22:40 pm Daniel is the Christian Cullen of loosies… A phenomenon… Most wont play him because they dont understand him and what he brings…. But Plum knows.
439.Heavens Game:
28 Aug 2012, 22:04 pm Nothing wrong with Daniel at 8.
NOTHING!
Give him a tenth of the time others get to settle in their positions and he will make it his own…
443.Heavens Game:
28 Aug 2012, 22:07 pm Daniel is ten times the player Fatty Vermeulen could ever be…
And ten times the heart Spies could ever have…
Only player possibly better than Daniel at 8 is Kanko at his very best.
457.Heavens Game:
28 Aug 2012, 22:17 pm @I am a stormer-453: Jeezus… He was not great on Sat against the Lions… Completely outplayed and overshadowed by Josh Strauss…
You fools fcked in the head if you think that fat spermwhale is the answer at 8.
Daniel might be small but he is fitter, faster, more skillful and probably with a higher strength to bodyweight ratio than any loosie in SA other than probably Ratel
so, Meyer “must be fcked in the head to think the fat spermwhale vermuelen is the answer at 8″ and to boot, he drops the “christian cullen of loosies”
overrated?
30 Aug 2012, 11:50 am
@Heavens Game-331:
WE TOLD YOU Boks are on their way to being farked after the 1st Bok squad announced.
Wakker slaap.
Now reply with a good insult.
30 Aug 2012, 11:50 am
@Heavens Game-331: It had to come out some time. The comparison with PDV. We’re not really interested in your little theories, show us the results.
For someone on a rugby site, your arguments are remarkably devoid of rugby logic. Up your game dudette. People from Durbs are supposed to know their rugby.
30 Aug 2012, 11:51 am
@Heavens Game-327:
Aaaw
That’s so sweet of you!
30 Aug 2012, 11:52 am
@Transformation-336: LOL Transie. Expect some. Prepare for the “backlash”.
30 Aug 2012, 11:52 am
@fitz1ella-330: This HG knows exactly what he’s talking about… Unlike others who sit on the fence, take all possible options and outcomes and then conveniently crow to the rooftops like a brain dead half legged Rooster “I told you so” AFTER THE FACT… All the time….
In short I got the courage of my convictions… I dont sit on the fence of indecision and mystical veggie fed bulldust baffles brains quasi religious sweet nothings…
I say it how I see it….
I say it how it is… Not to try and say “lookie here, see how right I was”, after the goddamned fact when pink pigs are flying…
30 Aug 2012, 11:53 am
@Bouts-332: And that week there were rumours that Jake was leaving to coach England and more of a player revolt than Aussie being awesome
30 Aug 2012, 11:53 am
@fitz1ella-315: read and admire skop
jake white:
Jake has a go at Meyer
August 30, 2012 by Tank | 1 Comment
Former Bok coach Jake White spoke at a fundraiser at Emperors Palace in Kempton Park yesterday, and Die Burger have published the following quotes from the function in their newspaper today – as translated from the original piece on their website.
White:
“Heyneke’s coaching style is not a style that will help the Boks to win”
“If you can’t score at least four tries against Argentina, then there is a big problem.”
“Heyneke was always going to get criticism because of his background with the Bulls. He was chosen because of the success he achieved as Bulls coach and it will naturally play a role in the way he coaches the Boks”
“If, for example, he has to choose between Gio Aplon and Zane Kirchner, he will choose Kirchner every time.”
“The current Bok management team is the most inexperienced in world rugby. There is no ways those guys will stand up to Meyer. At this stage they are just happy to be there and trying not to make too many mistakes. I don’t think there is anyone there who would question his way of doing things”
“Meyer thinks he will achieve success by playing big, strong redundant rugby, but only time will tell”
“You get two type of Bok coaches: those that have been fired, and those that are yet to be fired”
30 Aug 2012, 11:53 am
@pompies2-333:
Wasn’t it “subdue and penetrate” at one time?
Or was that too onbeskof?
30 Aug 2012, 11:53 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-259: PDV must be loving it, Meyer sulked for four years believing the bok was made for him, well here it is and there Meyer is, Meyer’s now realising it’s not super rugby, you need to be innovative every week! What did PDV say, “If you can’t piss in the long grass………”!
30 Aug 2012, 11:54 am
@Transformation-336: What’s subliminal about those comments of mine… They were pretty straight forward and clear, no?
Transie, you losing yourself you nincompoop…
30 Aug 2012, 11:55 am
@Heavens Game-346:
Hey.
You started the “subliminal” stuff.
30 Aug 2012, 11:55 am
@Transformation-343: Regardless of whether JW is right or wrong, he does nothing to quell the idea that he’s a bit of a ****** a$$
30 Aug 2012, 11:56 am
@pompies2-333: Also means he never has to take responsibility for his retarded 30-year-old stamp-kar game plan. He can just blame the players (usually in the media) for not executing properly.
30 Aug 2012, 11:56 am
@Heavens Game-331:
What a load of bollocks
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