Thrilling Griquas lash Lions
31 Aug 2012
Griquas ran in five tries in a breathless performance that saw them down the Lions 42-32 at Ellis Park.
Griquas burnt white-hot from the the outset and while many would point to generous defence from the Lions, the visitors produced some inspired, expansive play which set up the victory.
The Lions simply could not cope with their physicality at the gainline, which allowed them to play with the pace and width they did. Their primary challenge was always going to be the sustainability of that approach. Ultimately they hung on and found something in reserve at the death when it appeared the Lions would steal it.
The Lions were gifted their first try, Ross Cronje collecting a spilled ball and racing to the tryline unchallenged. But Griquas responded with a double strike, the first to winger Rocco Jansen off the back of powerful phase play, while a Willie le Roux break down the touchline and a slick passing interchange set up Jannie Boshoff. Francois Brummer converted both tries to go with a couple of penalties.
The Lions scored straight from the restart, but this failed to deflate Griquas who continued their onslaught and profited just before the break, Ryno Barnes powering over to take his side to a 28-18 lead going down the tunnel.
Griquas coach Pote Human would have hoped his charges’ fitness didn’t betray them. Le Roux, however, gave them further breathing room with a try early in the half, the Griquas’ forwards depleting their opponents’ defensive line and creating a mismatch the fullback exploited to score the bonus-point try.
They held on admirably thereafter, despite their attacking tempo being visibly slowed, while their defensive punch, which had blunted the Lions, was patently reduced. This cost them, Lions winger Anthony Volmink exploiting exhausted defenders to score a converted brace in two minutes to make it a three point game (35-32) with 10 minutes to play.
The Lions looked likely to land the killer blow but Griquas refused to relent and produced an amazing try, birthed in their own 22m and played through 16 phases, to win a match they so desperately needed to to maintain hope of a semi-final placing.
83 Comments
31 Aug 2012, 19:26 pm
There’s a game on?
Lemme go look at Helberg.
31 Aug 2012, 19:47 pm
@Dawn-1:
According to the Keo CC schedule, this game is at 3.00pm tomorrow!
31 Aug 2012, 19:47 pm
Come on Lions !
31 Aug 2012, 19:49 pm
Lions sukkeling bigtime.
Kimberley ysterboere klapping them.
31 Aug 2012, 19:50 pm
Whatsup Duskeeeee
We thought a ysbeer stole your computer
31 Aug 2012, 19:51 pm
@David-2:
That’s why I rely on Supersport.
31 Aug 2012, 19:52 pm
@Dawn-5:
Eh, stealing my line?
31 Aug 2012, 19:55 pm
Sue me.
31 Aug 2012, 19:58 pm
@Dawn-8:
I will
In Dollars though…
31 Aug 2012, 20:02 pm
Where’s he now
Duskeeeee!!
31 Aug 2012, 20:06 pm
The one shark whose fin I like to tug and he runs for the fjords again.
31 Aug 2012, 20:10 pm
@Dawn-10:
‘n Pikkewyn het on sy server gedinges?
Hy melk die Reindeer?
31 Aug 2012, 20:10 pm
Griekwaaaaaaaaaaas!!!!!
31 Aug 2012, 20:10 pm
@Dawn-11:
> The one shark whose fin I like to tug
Tugging his what???
31 Aug 2012, 20:13 pm
@I am a stormer-6:
Very wise. I’ve already missed matches based on Keos schedule over the last 2 years.
31 Aug 2012, 20:46 pm
Did everyone see that chip from Andries Coetzee, his regather, and his pass to Volmink?
He has something written on his head.
It says SPRINGBOK
31 Aug 2012, 20:47 pm
His fin.
31 Aug 2012, 20:50 pm
Poor Lions.you have to feel for them
31 Aug 2012, 20:55 pm
@Dawn-17:
Hmm, ok if you call it a fin, we’ll call it a fin, nudge nudge wink wink
31 Aug 2012, 20:57 pm
He a shark, it’s a fin
31 Aug 2012, 21:01 pm
@victoriabok-19:
And you know this how?
31 Aug 2012, 21:19 pm
SA rugby-Boks I mean can learn a lot from Griquas
Wow that was an amazing game and more so the pattern p,ayed by Griquas
They played the game at breath taking speed and most impressive was their skill level and variation. Back and forwards given the freedom to show case their skills even more I pressive was that former Bulls coach Pote Human who p,ayed such a dour brand at Bul,s adopted such a daring but effective style
The Griquas moved the ball at will from side to side with clever precise passing spreading the field,we’re playing with effectively 3 fly halves at one point with Brummer Boshoff and the GIFteD Willie Le Roux!!! Wow Le Roux cAused mismatches all game when he’d pop up at 10.The Likns didn’t know what hit them.The pillar defenders were flummoxed for much of the game and allowed for Rocco Jansen and JeAn Stemmet to flourish running off Le Roux,Boshoff,Brummer.add offloading in tackle from likes of Karemaker,Schoeman and co it was whirlwind SKILLED stuff on attack.
This indeed shows SA rugby DOES have the skilled p,ayers to play Total rugby and even old sods like Pote Human can adapt their coaching accordingly.committ to running total rugby and this is tip of the iceberg
Griquas were not perfect buy any stretch of the imagination as the let in a few soft tries as well as being smashed in scrums all game but wow can they BALL now imagine with better personnel with the same pattern and refining here and there what SA rugby could do????
Instead of this execution of innovation shackles holding back our rugby we need to embrace different skillsets and play RUGBY and not just play to keep score down or win by making 150 tackles a game.
Willie Le Roux take a bow
Griquas was phenomenal
SA rugby wake the f*ck up
31 Aug 2012, 21:30 pm
Well done Griquas!!! You played champagne rugby…
31 Aug 2012, 21:57 pm
Man, I missed this game cause of KEO’s CC fixture list, seems I missed a good game
31 Aug 2012, 22:16 pm
Willie le Roux?
A better flyhalf than a fullback/wing?
Kwas looked very good when he was first receiver.
Well done Kwas.
31 Aug 2012, 22:24 pm
@nama1-25: x-factor everywhere he is…played fullback mostly for boland & a bit of 10 when elgar watts was crocked…
still don’t know how WP overlooked him & took francis : shock:
31 Aug 2012, 22:25 pm
It is Friday
Where is Keo TV?
Where is Percy’s take on the ‘Jake/Meyer Situation’ ?
31 Aug 2012, 22:27 pm
Transie
Sbali Willie Le Roux ebeshisa nje blind
Lendoda is SA version of izzy Dagg ntwana yami
31 Aug 2012, 22:27 pm
@Transformation-26:
Don’t you ever get bored of talking about ..rugby?
31 Aug 2012, 22:48 pm
@Transformation-26:
Was thinking about that while watching him in this game. How did WP/Stormers let him go?
But then I remember about Gurthro, Ashwin, Ashley, WP Nel, Kobus Wiese, Wayne Julies, Stefan etc. All players who played for Boland first before they moved to other provinces where they became Boks.
31 Aug 2012, 22:51 pm
WP not a Bok yet but he should’ve been a while )two years) back. Just need to work on his conditioning and fitness and he’ll become a great imo.
This stint in Europe will do him the world of good.
31 Aug 2012, 23:22 pm
Will catch a re-broadcast
1 Sep 2012, 00:49 am
@mshiniwami-28: sbali bengiyibuke ngamehlo ami lebhari last year isenza ezibukwayo…
ukhuluma iqiniso izzy – our OWN version sbali…hayi!
uMeyer udakiwe alibele haboKirchner…
1 Sep 2012, 00:59 am
@nama1-25: Thanks, Nama.
1 Sep 2012, 01:21 am
@mshiniwami-28: sbali bengiyibuke ngamehlo ami lebhari last year isenza ezibukwayo…
ukhuluma iqiniso izzy – our OWN version sbali…hayi!
uMeyer udakiwe alibele haboKircher… e
1 Sep 2012, 07:57 am
One of the b!g d!fferences between HM and PDV !s that the latter would have drafted W!ll!e Le Roux !n the Bok team.
1 Sep 2012, 08:01 am
that old Griquas supporter must be very happy with this performance!
1 Sep 2012, 08:41 am
i always thought that Karemaker guy would be a bok.
playing for wp juniors he was a monster
1 Sep 2012, 09:03 am
I said quite some time ago we don’t have a dearth of play maker fly halves when you have the likes of Johan Goosen, Andries Coetsee, Willie le Roux and Riaan Smit as well as Riaan Viljoen, Joe Pietersen and Willie Ludik available, wtf we still stuck with mediocrity like Morne Steyn, Zane Kirchner and Patrick Lambie for?
1 Sep 2012, 09:15 am
anyone seen the “earl rose and the quest for snoek” clip on youtube?
1 Sep 2012, 09:51 am
@mshiniwami-22: Remember that Pote Human was a very longstanding No 8 for the Cheetahs before he moved into coaching. Sadly that stint was at the Bulls. It is great to see him returning to his roots and his former instincts as a player instead of going down the old route of a formulaic rigid approach.
1 Sep 2012, 09:55 am
@fitz1ella-39: A large part of the problem lays in the lack of an underlying coaching of skills throughout all the provinces and franchises. This results in a large disparity when it comes to national level, from players to coaches. This is also why NZ are consistently good whereas we have up and down years.
I agree that players like Willie need to be brought up to the Boks. A coach like Carl du Plessis would have done so. The Boks would have seen some initial pain but the results will have started coming within a year, as they did in Carl’s last game hammering the Aussies.
Meyer will learn but he takes a lot longer. He doesn’t take what he sees at risks rather a “steady as you go”. We’ll get there in the end; it’ll just take a helluva lot longer than say under Carl or Mallett.
1 Sep 2012, 10:42 am
Where can i read the latest rugby news? If there is any…? The boks trained and id like to know if the latest training sessions can reveal mindshift regarding game plan…
1 Sep 2012, 10:50 am
@fitz1ella-39:
You really hate Pat Lambie don’t you? He’s no fullback, but he’s the best 10 in SA (unless Goosen realizes his potential).
And it seems NZL and co (who produce better 10′s than we ever have) agree with me.
1 Sep 2012, 10:52 am
@Jeez-43: You’re posting on the wrong blog then
Maybe rugby365 ?
1 Sep 2012, 10:57 am
@mikeybrass-42:
That is a good assessment… HM takes his time to sort out the problems.
A big overhaul will cause too much damage in the short term. I believe he is building, even though he hasn’t admitted it…
If you look at the selections of Flo,Vermeulen and Goosen, you can read between the lines and notice that he is acknowledging that the back 3 has not yet found the desired balance (without a fetcher and decent 8) needed to have the maximum impact and that MSteyn is struggling…
Perhaps not against the Aussies, but I wont be surprised if Flo and Vermeulen start against the ABs… Goosen probably wont get any game time on tour, but he could take over at home…
Slowly things will fall into place… Burger, Brussouw is yet to return to name a few…
1 Sep 2012, 11:00 am
Selecting Flo shows that he is learning from his mistakes. He’s probably kicking himself for not selecting Brussouw when he had the chance.. imo
1 Sep 2012, 11:09 am
@Jeez-43:
Mindshift? What mindshift?
A leopard does not change it’s spots.
Heineke is not the type of man who will ever bring romance to the Boks. He is not the man who is going to change the traditional bok (and bulls) game of simply trying to bash the opposition into submission. It’s gonna be skop and jag against the Wallabies, you can bet your house on it.
1 Sep 2012, 11:20 am
@Robzim-48: He will eventually evolve. The worst thing which can happen is for Meyer to be fired. He was appointed and now we must allow him to develop or our rugby will never change. Us supporters cry out for change without realising the damage short-termism does by demanding instant results without the backdrop (solid skills foundations and coaching throughout all our franchises and provinces) to achieve this.
1 Sep 2012, 11:21 am
The Bulls of 2010 were not skop en jag only. They played beautiful running rugby.
1 Sep 2012, 11:24 am
@mikeybrass-41:
Pote human was born and bred in Dispatch and played most of his rugby for eastern province?
1 Sep 2012, 11:32 am
Not sure, but I remember him playing lots & lots of times for OFS as well, maybe more than for EP.
1 Sep 2012, 11:52 am
@Robzim-48: HM has not been too conservative in his career. The bulls was one of the leading try scoring teams when they won the super 12… So hopefully he will evolve his gameplan when he has enough time and sorts out the pack…
1 Sep 2012, 11:54 am
@mikeybrass-50:
Spot on.
The 2010 Bulls team was the most complete team we’ve ever had. They eased to the title that year.
1 Sep 2012, 11:55 am
@mikeybrass-50:
But remember, that wasn’t Meyer, it was Ludike.
1 Sep 2012, 12:13 pm
@londonshark-55: Todd Louden coached the backs when Meyer was coach and that was when they scored the second most tries in the comp… and when the backs were probably at their best.
1 Sep 2012, 12:13 pm
@Jeez-53:
True, but their attack was based on that ‘rumble’ the Bulls used to get (espically at Loftus).
With such insane front foot ball, their backs could do as they pleased.
Times though, have changed.The Bulls do battle if their pack is matched.
If their pack is out-musled, they screwed.
1 Sep 2012, 12:16 pm
@Jeez-56:
Yep, I WISH the Boks would get a NZL/Aus backline coach. Alister Coetzee was garbage with the Boks. Robbie Fleck is a joke at the Stormers, and Ricardo with the Boks now hasn’t set the world alight.
Eddie Jones had a few weeks with us in 2007, and our backline was transformed.
We ran rings around the Argie team, which was 10 times better than the one in this years RC.
1 Sep 2012, 12:20 pm
Why not change laubscher with hawies fourie? He is a attacking minded backline coach?
1 Sep 2012, 12:34 pm
Meyer is just too fearfully attached to his rigidity and his non compromise fixation with one dimensional bully style rugby. I doubt he’s adaptive as he needs to be. White was lucky Saru didn’t boot his hopelessly inept arse out the back door end of 2006 like they should have which gave him sufficient time to exhaust all his fckup trial and errors and realize his own lack of any lateral thinking ability which resulted in his savior Eddy Jones to come save his forlorn sinking ship. Even with the best players that Meyer Louden Muir and Campese put together for White to not know wtf to do with through 2007 till Jones fixed all the one dimensional derelict decision making within a miracle turnaround of 3 weeks.
Pote Human is the kind of coach Meyer should give the reigns to. This Griekwas side took apart the self same Lions team playing at home that smacked SharksBoks in the cc final last year.
When you consider Le Roux was the play maker general of this Kwas side who outplayed springboks such as Jantjies and James who are both streaks ahead of mediocrity itself in Lambie, Steyn and Kirchner then its pretty obvious the national coach and selector panel got no clue between their arses and their elbows.
The type talent Boks need to blood and blood fast are the likes of Goosen, Le Roux, A. Coetsee, Taute, ahead of those incumbents keeping the gdamn door and Meyer’s one track mind shut.
1 Sep 2012, 12:53 pm
Nope you were wrng on White, he won the RWC and he’s not fkd up the brumbies, quite the opposite.
1 Sep 2012, 12:57 pm
I’ll second that.
1 Sep 2012, 13:09 pm
Naka Drotske, Hawies Fourie, Pote Human, are the only wide awake saffa coaches present currently who would be the type coaches Saru should look at because they don’t have this justifying precious self absorbed conceited reputation they have to try uphold.
They would take the Boks forward instead of this baleful regression the likes of these overrated chickens who are too fear ridden by their own fear of losing syndrome, which is why they stick so rigidly to the archaic out of hand crash ball garbage that Streauli, White, Pdv and now Meyer tie their overriding conservation bent to instead of forging ahead.
I far rather lose with the style rugby Carel du Plessis showed or Hawies Fourie or Pote Human would introduce and eventually perfect as Carel showed before he handed over the blue print for Mallet and Solomons to run with, than draw or fluke ugly wins under the same style rubbish that Streauli, White and Meyer are so fearfully and credibility preserving attached to.
1 Sep 2012, 13:21 pm
Problem with meyer is two-fold, gameplan and selections but the latter is especially fataL
white analysed the game within the context the laws of the time and played accordingly – I don’t know if that was his real reason for success – I think it was more that he got virtually all his selections right.
There is hoever one thing heavily in heyneke’s favour, which IMO goes against all the conventional reason on these here websites, which is to win test matches (not super rugby or curry cup) you need to win the collisions. Meyer realises this perhaps more so than any other coach and knows how to drill sa forwards – he could be fantastic.
The reason we draw to Argie is because we lost tge collisions, the reason for this is because the wrong players were selected. Meyer however must also be less conservative and encourage his players to attack the gainline with ball in hand once tge collisions are won – not kick that gdam ball away – it requires patience and v fit as well as a hard pack of forwards.
SA have not always encouraged forwards rugby, carel du plessis and harry viljoen were perhaps tge 2 most attacking and backline-minded coaches to ever coach a test team, let alone a Bok team. What happened? They both have tge 2 worst records of any Springbok coach.
The lesson is simple and repeatedly learnt – win the battle upfront, then attack – first walk before you run. We are not walking at tge moment.
1 Sep 2012, 13:24 pm
White was outright f’ng atrocious useless coach should have had his overrated arse booted to hell for the fckup he produced through 2006 and prior to Jones who taught him pretty much everything he knows and is implementing today.
If there was any consistency in Saru thinking White should have fckd off in 2006 just like they couldn’t give benefit of the doubt and booted Carel du Plessis after 1997, and ANY coach could have fluked that no contest mediocre cake walk in Paris over 12th seed Fiji and 6th seed Argy and a dead beat old hat England, easiest pisseasy WC to ever be contested under old hat kick chase play without the ball chickenshit rugby laws and principles.
Give me Carel or Hawies or Pote over fckwit White ANY day of ANY year.
1 Sep 2012, 13:27 pm
@londonshark-57:
Well considering that the 8 9 10 combos havent settled or havent been the best combo there is, its not a big surprise that the backs are struggling. Until then it will be hard for the backs to function to their full potencial… The backs should get better ball if the balance is right. Up until now there hasnt been a fetcher…which will make a huge difference..
@londonshark-58:
Yeah I dont think Ricardo is up to international standard. I believe the boks should have the best backline coach there is, if its a Aussie or Kiwi, so be it… A backline coach should help formulate the game plan..imo. I dont feel HM feels the same way… But its still early days.
The team needs to settle and a few team selections could make a big difference… hopefully…
Vermeulen could be the answer at 8 and Hougaard needs to step up or make way for Pienaar. Ug and Steyn… Jantjies should have been given an opportunity against England, but eventually Goosen will take over. The backs will be better.
1 Sep 2012, 13:33 pm
@fitz1ella-65: Simonstown Naval Base is but a short train trip away; why don’t u do something constructive like hopping on the 2.30 express from Fish Hoek and go there to vent your anger by washing submarines or something?
1 Sep 2012, 13:34 pm
You rather lose playing a partcular style than win ?
Fk me, nah don’t be gdam stupid.
Anyway the way to win and play like the ABs is to have the kind of ball that allows for attacking backline play – you ever play behind a beaten pack and get any decent ball? Never happens.
The ABs got the kind of backline we could never match at tge moment, never ever, no matter if they pick goosen le roux or summoned the ghost of gerber hisgoodself.
You have to win the forwards battle – and the kiwis are ruthless here – Wayne smith knows the key is to rip into those collision points get the go-forward and clean out to get fastball to attack with – slow static retreating ball is useless even for the Ultra-talented AB backline.
Meyer knows this – and knows how to drill forward to give you that kind of ball – his success/failure is going to be a) whether he can select the correct players to give that go-forward (ie picking wp players) and b) whether he is going to attack with ball in hand or try mould his halfbacks into kicking machines rather than letting hougaard unleash himself around tge fringes and bribing in de Jong and aplon/le roux to attack with this ball once won.
1 Sep 2012, 13:55 pm
the only thing that stood between Carel returning an 80% win record in contrast to the 37% he did in his first and only year as bok coach was the fact he didn’t have an 80% + kicker to kick the 3 pointers.
He outplayed 97 Bils in all 3 tests except Jenkins got all his kicks and Honibal couldn’t kick for sh’t yet it was Carel who discovered and introduced Honibal who became Boks most fearless attack minded pivot ever, as well as Percy, Slaptjips Roussow and Fleck for Mallet and Solomons to benefit from. Mallet inherited Du Plessis team which smacked all kinds of pain over Mcqueens WC Aussies in his last test in charge.
Some coaches get lucky like White who was given more rope than he knew what to do with and got spared all his pathetic inept strategy to get given help to solve his inadequacies, while others like Carel Dup didn’t.
1 Sep 2012, 14:04 pm
G!ve the guy a break. H!s play?ng w!th half the team he wants. We w!ll NEVER be the flambouyant type and w!ll never be.
L!m!t the ‘Gary Owens’ and k!ck for the corners. Dom!nate at the set p!eces espec!ally the l!neouts and have a psyhcolog?cal advantage at the coll!s!ons.
In there 22 we need a creat!ve backl!ne that can run angles and f!n!sh off.
1 Sep 2012, 14:09 pm
Get serious du plessis and viljoen got outight hammered – our results were woeful – why is it that our two worst run of results coincides with the two most backline-oriented coaches we ever had?
Viljoen was so progressive/mad he outlawed kicking completely , and the Boks nearly lost v Argentina.
These are tge results – now u wanna complain cos there are no kickers – the very thing you don’t want?
White’s return was twice as good as these coaches and he won a 3n and a Rwc, and moved boks from 6 to 1, reversing much of the new-dangled kak that went before.
White’s flaw was an over-emphasis on defense to the detriment if attack, and this is where EJ might have added maybe 0.5% – boks would’ve lost to Fiji if they’d played your or EJ gameplan – White had prepped tge Boks to high-heaven warning them not to get sucked into Fiji gameplan but they did and as a result nearly got done – they then tightened up as he’d told them to play from the start and they won easily – he was a bladdy good coach and his technical analysis also coincided with mallets victory run – he took jeppe a 2nd tier school to tge top – he’s turned around tge brumbies with the weakest bunch of playing talent in their history – after tge shitarse results if last season all their players left and still White nearly took them top.
You and everyone else were going in about how useless White was and how Boks were going to get fkd and how he’d get smashed at super rugby level – well you were wrong in both cases, completely wrong, and still you won’t admit it.
1 Sep 2012, 16:03 pm
Seems like the favourite sport in South Africa is “fire the Bok coach.”
Well fuckme dead! How many of you out there would appreciate getting the DCM when you haven’t even fuckedup yet?
Heyneke hasn’t even lost a test and poepels here want to knife him in the back.
Give the guy a break. Give him some more time. He has pulled in some of our favourites he originally neglected. He hasn’t totally ruled out Brussow. And Taute will come into the Bok mix when he is fit.
And then you get the chief poepol, Jake White, who perfected the way of playing rugby without the ball. Or so he thought. And now he criticises Heyneke for doing the same thing.
When he has the confidence to play Goosen as a starting option the game plan will evolve. And the outside backs will come into play.
1 Sep 2012, 16:12 pm
the 2007 lucky packet WC win was a regression for SA rugby. White fluked a non contest win against basically nobody 6th and 7th ranked opponents which set our rugby back by at least 2 decades which we still haven’t progressed out of because every thick idiot still thinks this garbage which White introduced and entrenched as so called traditional SA strength kick chase trash is the forte by which all SA rugby should be played.
White was lucky beyond his own capacity and ability. He himself recognized exactly how inept and out of ideas he was which led him to hand over pretty much the entire coaching portfolio to Eddy Jones which absolutely visibly turned Boks around from one dimensional inept robots into more proactive decision making individuals in less than 3 weeks.
White is far better equipped now since learning much under the guidance and influence of more professional coaches hence his complete about turn in respect of bigger is better no fetchers required policy which he 100% has done a double take on since his famous 49-0 debacle. No international coach worth his salt loses 49-0 to anybody which indicates exactly how far out his depth this moron was.
Now the pathetic self styled idiot got the gall and audacity to attempt to undermine his successors who by and large are far better coaches than he was through their respective careers, the only difference being White got saved by a mentor and life saviour and a no contest WC to negotiate while others didn’t.
1 Sep 2012, 16:12 pm
HM: “Most tries come from broken field possession or turnovers and it’s not about the game plan, it’s about reading the situation,” he said.
“The more experienced players read the situation better and Australia and New Zealand are better at it than us because of the way they are brought up as rugby players.”
Im starting to get worried… WTF ‘brought up as rugby players’! So what he’s saying is that a player cant be coached to be a better attacking player!???
1 Sep 2012, 16:15 pm
@Jeraldjay-70:
Another voice of reason.
1 Sep 2012, 16:28 pm
@I am a stormer-72:
LOL
Jip that seems to be SAs favourite sport ha! Youre right, some perspective is needed… After sorting out the 6,7,8, 9 and 10 the team will be totally different. Still early days. Burger and Brussouw still need to return into the bok fold… Steyn’s days are numbered and Hougaard’s too.
Even if the boks lose a few games on tour, its wouldve been worse if they lost with their best combinations… And they actually might surprise everyone and win a game or two!
EVENTUALLY the boks will regularly play these combinations, which will make a huge difference.
6. Brussouw/Flo/Kolisi (The boks havent even played a fetcher once under HM!)
7. Alberts/Coetzee/Burger
8. Vermeulen/ Kanko
9. Pienaar
10. Goosen/ Jantjies/ Lambie
On Supersport.com HM:
“I’m a guy who backs the players, will give them continuity and once we’ve played away from home then I’ll look at the combinations and be ruthless.”
1 Sep 2012, 16:38 pm
You don’t win 3n ir world cups out of luck.
Both mallett and White have criticised meyer and mallett was a helluva lot more scathing. Meyer has criticised his own players – so if we talking the prize for saintliness rather than rugby, who exactly casting the first stone?
The best ever coaching setup (apart from kitch) was 98 with mallett, solomons backs, meyer forwards, White technical – this coaching team setup the greatest number of test wins EVER
and then what happened they had a selection run-in over venter and White wad dropped and it all went tits up, mallett made 2 further mistakes in dropping teichman and then honiball.
All 4 brilliant coaches – the fkn dream team but as per usual their gdam egos got in the way.
1 Sep 2012, 16:40 pm
@Jeez-76:
The thing is HM is prepared to learn from his mistakes. In this case by not picking a fetcher. With Brussow srill injured, he was prepared to go overseas to get his man. And people must give him credit for that.
He has now picked a pool of players of something like 40 players. Everybody now knows who is in mix.
And who is on the out.
1 Sep 2012, 16:51 pm
@I am a stormer-78:
Thats so true. Yeah, hopefully he will learn some more and make changes everybody agrees with haha. Im sure a hell of a lot will change with the EOTY tour…
He wouldnt have brought in Goosen if he wasnt thinking Steyn is no more than a short term solution. And if Vermeulen was fit, Spies probably wouldnt have made the starting team in the long run either.
TIme will tell
1 Sep 2012, 16:58 pm
@I am a stormer-78:
Another example- he probably favours Coenie to Cilliers…
Perhaps next year:
1. Beast
2. Bis
3. Jannie/Coenie
4. Kruger
5. Esebeth
6. Brussouw/ Flo
7. Burger/ Alberts
8. Vermeulen / Kanko
9. Pienaar
10. Goosen
11. Hougaard
12.Steyn
13. JDV/ JDJ/ Fourie (could come back in a year)/ Jordaan (one day)
14.JPP
15. Taute/ Lambie
Its not all doom and gloom..
1 Sep 2012, 17:38 pm
@Jeez-80:
I suppose you mean Coenie Oosthuizen.
Coenie de Villiers is the more sophistcated bloke who sings about the smell of the rain in the Klein Karoo
1 Sep 2012, 19:59 pm
@phil72-51: Pote started off in EC before moving to the Cheetahs where he captained the team for the vast majority of his career, alternating captaincy with Helgaard Muller. As much as I thought him a bumbling bemooth, he formed a formidable loose trio with Rassie and Andre Venter before he retired. He was a hard but fair player. It is great to see his coaching returning to his playing roots and philosophy.
1 Sep 2012, 20:03 pm
@Jeez-74: He is saying they receive skills training from an early age, unlike our players.
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