Midfield magic needed
4 Sep 2012
RYAN VREDE writes the Springboks’ midfield pair of Frans Steyn and Jean de Villiers are far more creative than what they’ve shown and need to be encouraged to explore that dimension of their play.
I’ve lamented the Springboks’ pack’s impotency extensively, and, in a game of cause and effect, their struggles are at the root of the broader impotency of the backline.
Over the course of the last five Tests there have been encouraging periods where the heavies have dominated and the backline has buzzed, their early blitz against England at Ellis Park the prime example of this. However, they have lacked consistency and it has reflected in a string of unconvincing performances. Notable in that period has been the muted impact of their midfield pair.
The duo seldom see the ball when the Springboks are in their own territory, the directive being to punt and chase for fear of committing errors in their half and gifting the opposition points. This is understandable given the small margins in Test rugby among the elite sides. However, when further upfield, it is deeply frustrating to see Steyn being reduced largely to a battering ram, whose primary function is to generate go-forward at the gainline. He has had limited success in doing so and will struggle to impose himself in the manner the coaching staff hope against the organised and physical All Blacks and (to a lesser extent) Wallabies.
Steyn’s creative ability is well known and was first exhibited as a young buck in the Springboks’ midfield at the 2007 World Cup. His running lines were excellent and his distribution – short and long – was incisive and created opportunities for his outside backs. I’d like to see Steyn encouraged to rediscover this dimension of his play (in the right field positions) because he has the skills set to be more than he is being utilised as at present.
De Villiers has found adapting to the attacking demands of a Test outside centre difficult. His running lines and timing of those runs are fractionally off and in Test rugby those fractions are the difference between breaking the line and being stopped. He certainly possesses the attacking flair to be effective in the position, but I am concerned that age has depleted the turn of pace he used to have to get him through holes in the defensive line.
De Villiers, however, remains a fine player who I believe will settle into the position and be a competent option. Comparisons with Jaque Fourie are unfair and those who peddle those comparisons fail to appreciate that Fourie was among the best in the position in the game. De Villiers is unlikely to retain the captaincy or No 13 shirt if, as expected, Fourie returns to the Test fold in 2013. Until then, he must explore different dimensions – tackle offloads for example – of his attacking game within the framework of the game plan.
The Springboks’ pack are central to their success and against the weakest Wallabies pack in recent years, they must create the platform for Steyn and De Villiers to be the game breakers they have the capacity to be.
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343 Comments
4 Sep 2012, 10:08 am
The Boks need to score more points than their opposition do.
4 Sep 2012, 10:16 am
Wow if JDV holds out until 2013 and then J Fourie Returns, i reckon J Fourie should easily make the next RWC!!
J Fourie is such a natural 13 and strong defender it will be very hard to find a replacement for him!! Currently there is no one that comes close!!
4 Sep 2012, 10:20 am
If Morne can do a bit more than his standard dross of just pass or kick, ie
challenge the gainline once in a while, and commit one or 2 defenders, then the space would start opening up for Jean and Frans.
4 Sep 2012, 10:25 am
The midfield will have a better chance at producing magic if we can get a flyhalf who doesn’t stand so deep in the pocket that he’s fallen down the trouser leg.
4 Sep 2012, 10:28 am
Let’s be honest, the system routinely fails to produce playmaking and strategically aware centres like Aaron Mauger & Conrad Smith
4 Sep 2012, 10:34 am
De Villiers is runs laterally, has sub-par distribution and zero offloading skills (I’m a Stormers fan for full disclosure). Not sure why he is so highly rated given how poor the Stomers backline was this year. He should be replaced by JP Du Plessis for the Stormers and by any number of players for the Boks (my choice would be Paul Jordaan).
Frans Steyn has very little hope of being creative when the flyhalf on his inside is attracting zero defenders, but I agree with Vrede that his distribution skill-set is being massively under-utilized. He’s one of the most skilled backs we have and all we do is ask him to run telegraphed crash ball after crash ball.
4 Sep 2012, 10:35 am
Frans Steyn is 1 dimensional-bash bash bash
Jean De Villiers is not a 13
Morne is pathetic
4 Sep 2012, 10:42 am
@mshiniwami-7:
Frans is not one-dimensional.
Has a great passing and kicking game.
That skip pass of his offers a little creativity on attack.
4 Sep 2012, 10:43 am
Don’t read this if you are religious:
The English word used to describe these ‘appointed times’ or significant times is ‘feasts’; around 30 AD the following events played out:
Pesach: Yeshua becomes the She Ha-Elohim (Lamb of God) when crucified (Passover)
Chag HaMatzot: Yeshua becomes the unleavened bread; leaven speaks of sin
Sfirat HaOmer: Yeshua becomes the firstfruit (first one to be risen from the dead)
Shavuot: Known as Pentecost in Christian circles but the Jewish calendar does not have such a feast; the outpouring of Ruach HaKodesh in Yerushalayim – see the parallels between Acts 2 v 2 and Exodus 19v16
The incredible thing is that Elohim (God) set up these times 1000s of years before when Moshe (Moses) led the House of Yisrael out of Egypt. He set them up and in fulfilment He adheres to these times as illustrated above.
So four have been fulfilled and three to go.
4 Sep 2012, 10:46 am
@kaksioek-1: J. Fourie has been brilliant for us. Just a worry here that he has not played any rugby in South African this year. By next year it will be more than a year. Also that he is playing his rugby in Japan of all places. Not sure how tough it is over there. Meyer should be looking to build for the future now.
We have Jordaan who I think is pure class, then there is also R. Ebersohn and Serfontein. All brilliant youngsters that should be brought in now. Also JdJ. Even Whitehead was superb for Sharks this year. We have the players they just need a chance.
4 Sep 2012, 10:49 am
The best youngster coming through at 13 right now is Jordaan. Yes I have taken my Black and White glasses off. Jordaan is surperb.
@mshiniwami-7: Game plan is causing that with Fransie. Watch Jordaan and Fransie next year at the Sharks. Fransie not just gonna bash, bash there.
4 Sep 2012, 10:55 am
@ Puma
Exactly – this obsession with running at the defender instead of running at the spaces is the root of our coaching problems in SA.
1 of the biggest differences between us and the All Blacks is that they always run for the gap, thereby committing 2 defenders and still being able to offload.
Stampkar rugby is so doff….
4 Sep 2012, 10:55 am
Suddenly our Keo experts have latched onto “the offload in the tackle”, a few years after some of the rest of us. The problem is that in order to offload effectively like the Kiwis, you need to have support players running the right lines to offload to.
Until our players, at all levels and positions, learn to do this as second nature the ability to offload will exist in a vacuum.
4 Sep 2012, 11:00 am
David no need to be a tjop.
Nobody has suddenly latched onto anything, just stating the bleedin obvious.
WP and the Sharks were both offloading beautifully in the tackle this weekend. Freestate have also being doing it well this year. The support play is the easy part if everyone is on the same page.
Why can’t the Boks do this?
4 Sep 2012, 11:06 am
Now read this in conjunction with post 9: again, if religious steer clear:
The next order of business is the feast of trumpets or Yom Teruah, then Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement) and Sukkot (Feast of Tabernacles)
Messiah spent a lot of time explaining to the talmidim (disciples) that He is Bridegroom (Chatan) and his followers the bride or alma.
Here is a further interesting bit as we take a look at Jewish wedding custom/tradition:
Marriage to the Jews of Yeshua’s day was a practical legal matter, established by contract and carried through by exacting procedure. The young man would come to the chosen girl’s house with a covenant (a true legal agreement) giving the terms by which he would propose marriage. The most important being the price he was willing to pay for this bride.
If the terms were suitable, the prospective bride and groom would drink a cup of wine together to seal the bargain. This cup was most significant as it showed the bridegroom’s willingness to sacrifice in order to have this bride and the bride’s willingness to marry him. Then the groom would pay the price and he would pay dearly to marry the girl of his choice.
Back at his father’s house, he would build her a “chuppah” (bridal chamber, small mansion) in which they would have their future honeymoon. This was a separate building on his father’s property and it had to be very beautiful yet simple since it would only be used for seven days. This construction would usually take the better part of a year and the father of the groom would decide when it was finished.
If anyone asked the bridegroom when the wedding was, he would answer, “Only my father knows that.”
The bride was obliged to do a lot of waiting. Custom declared she had to be ready to go and have an oil lamp ready in case the groom came late at night for her, which would be at a moment’s notice. During this long period of waiting, she was referred to as “consecrated,” “set apart,” and “bought with a price.”
Finally, when the groom’s father decided the bridal chamber was ready, the groom and his friends would start off to claim his bride. All Jewish brides were “stolen.” It was thrilling for her to be “abducted” and carried off into the night, not by a stranger, but by one who loved her so much he had paid a high price for her.
However, decorum declared that the bride had to receive at least a brief warning, so one of the groom’s friends would give a shout as they neared the house. The bride only had time to light her lamp, grab her honeymoon clothing and go.
It is for this reason that the Jewish calendar becomes important. We know that the Feast of Trumpets (Yom Teruah) is known as Rosh Hashanah, for example this year it will start at sunset Sunday 16 September 2012.
However, the question arises: in which year’s Yom Teruah will the trumpet (shofar/ramshorn) be blown that will usher in the next 3 key events? Will it be this year or next year of the year thereafter? Well we don’t know.
4 Sep 2012, 11:07 am
@Blokkies-12: Puma, the problem is that the school boys see this “stampkar rugby” and think it is how the game should be played. This year I started coaching at U/14 level again after being at U/19 level for 4 years. The youngsters, especially the bigger built ones, think that they should run “over” their opponents, while the smaller ones attack the gaps. Quite often the bigger guys give away tries because of their obsession with running through the opponent rather than attacking the gaps. It took a lot of work to get this out of their minds. It still happens but at least they are seeing the light (albeit very slowly). This stems from their primary school days where the coaches use the bigger players as battering rams. By doing that, they never learn how to offload
4 Sep 2012, 11:11 am
@ CharlesM
I know what you mean. I (assistant)coached U10′s this year and its a big problem. New Zealand has a better system where they play weight class instead of age group.
Its a no-brainer for developing skills at a young age.
4 Sep 2012, 11:15 am
@CharlesM-16: You are very right Charles. It stems from a early age with us here in SA where we learn to just bash into the player intead of finding the gaps. They way all school boys learned their rugby years back. Just thought we could be teaching them different now. It certainly goes back to learning your rugby from a early age at school. Time to change and coach them some skills from a early age.
4 Sep 2012, 11:16 am
Jip, we need some magic and that magic should come from the one and only Frans Steyn. He was hailed as the one to ignite the Bok back line.
After all, he was lured back from France with the promised of the inside centre berth. It is about time that he shows the world why the coach rated him so highly. This is not playing inside centre against the mickey mouse teams of the world anymore.
No use blaming M.Steyn for the fact that F. Steyn is not performing. He performed well, by all accounts, in the RWC against small nations with MS at flyhalf. Time to do the same against the big dogs now.
4 Sep 2012, 11:19 am
@Blokkies-14:
I was referring to Keo and Co.
4 Sep 2012, 11:22 am
@Blokkies-12: Definitely the ‘stampkar’ rugby comes from us coaching that way from a early age. Just seems to be ingrained into us to play that way which is just daft.
Sharks were playing some beautiful rugby towards the end of S15. The way to go I think. Cheetahs play some exciting rugby too. Province looked good on the weekend too. Only watched the last bit of that game on Saturday so watched it again yesterday. See AC saying WP will be adopting Chiefs blueprint.
Must say in our JWC especially towards the end our players were playing with some great skill. Hope those same players can take it into Super Rugby and not get it coached out of them.
4 Sep 2012, 11:23 am
Sheriff – Your religious posts were fab. Are you a Messianic Jew perhaps? Anyway very very informative. It is interesting at how christianity has lost/forgets its jewish roots, seeing as christianity started out as a jewish movement!!
Excellent post.
4 Sep 2012, 11:23 am
And Loubcher says Boks will focus on their own strengths. So expect more
‘stampkar’ rugby this Saturday.
4 Sep 2012, 11:26 am
@Blokkies-17:
The beauty of weight grouping is that it not only forces skill development on bigger kids, but also reduces the fears a lot of parents have of their kids being injured by the bigger players. Apparently this was a major concern in NZ, with parents not allowing their kids to play rugby.
I’ve also noticed it here in SA as well, where parents (usually mothers) refuse to allow their children to take up rugby.
4 Sep 2012, 11:26 am
A ball player is only as good as the freedom he is given within a gameplan and the support runners at his disposal running good lines.
A player like Willie Le Roux is excelling at Cheetahs/Kwas because the team plays a pattern condusive to his skillset.
Boks wanna play stampkar,keep the good ball players away from this trainsmash of a pattern
4 Sep 2012, 11:34 am
sheriff – I noticed this paragraph is very significant:-
If the terms were suitable, the prospective bride and groom would drink a cup of wine together to seal the bargain. This cup was most significant as it showed the bridegroom’s willingness to sacrifice in order to have this bride and the bride’s willingness to marry him. Then the groom would pay the price and he would pay dearly to marry the girl of his choice.
The cup representing the new wine => New blood shed on the cross
The groom representing ****** who laid his life down to the church(bride)
The groom paid dearly/the ultimate price(Death on the Cross) for the bride(church).
4 Sep 2012, 11:34 am
Refs for Boks/Aus
Ref. Nigel Owens – Wales
AR. Glen Jackson – NZ
AR. Wayne Barnes – Eng
TMO. Matt Goddard – Aus
Think we have done well with Owens before.
4 Sep 2012, 11:35 am
@nama1-19: i don’t get this sometimes, heyneke says HE is teaching the bokke to “play the situation” then i see francois steyn crashballing the WHOLE game and i wonder if the message is getting lost somewhere or someone talking rubbish here…in 4 Tests with heyneke at the helm francois doesn’t step, doesn’t fend, doesn’t evade, he crashes all the time, Newlands was the worst of the lot…
something does not compute, are we to believe that all those “situations” required francois to crash?
sbw is streets ahead of our francois currently!
4 Sep 2012, 11:36 am
Under PDV the Bok players never really felt that if they didn’t produce they would not be selected the following week. Meyer has changed the climate in the dressing room which I feel should be a balanced approach.
Continuity in selection has always been a succesful recipe but you have to win while building. The yardstick has been a 60% win ratio in the past but I don’t think HM will get that luxury.
We are playing against wounded Wallabies on Saturday who are playing for pride and for their coach. They have matched our brawn with their brains in recent times so we definitely the underdogs.
4 Sep 2012, 11:39 am
Jeraldjay #29 – Agree. Ozzies are always tuff at home and are very canny characters! The Boks better watch out for this game, they could get a right womping from the Ozzies if they don’t man up!
4 Sep 2012, 11:43 am
@race of tan-22:
Thanks mate.
No in South African terms I am kullid. A lot of the insights are not mine, but what I’ve read in books like ‘ Gods appointed times’ by Barney Kasdan to name but one.
You will notice that I use a lot of Hebrew terminology but it is for the sake of completeness. For example: the term ‘shalom’ is far more comprehensive than the watered down ‘peace’ in English – peace is a component of shalom…
It’s like talking in SA about a barbecue, we all know the word is ‘braai’ – even Cane in Lower Hutt in New Zealand knows it eventhough he spells it ‘brai’ ; the reality is: we don’t do barbecues, we do braais
4 Sep 2012, 11:47 am
@Jeraldjay-29: @race of tan-30: if the boks defence is scattered or shows any fragility we will see four tries plastered against us…what the dominant scorelines by the all blacks don’t reveal is that the all blacks were put under incredible pressure by the aussies and exposed at times only for belligerent almost aggressive all black DEFENCE to repel the aussie barrage…
anything short of resolute defence, we will see our gatte and the talk we still be about players not being clinical at the breakdown.
4 Sep 2012, 11:51 am
@race of tan-26:
In the Malkuth HaShamayim (Kingdom of heaven) there is no room for religion.
It’s relationship. That is why Yeshua spoke at length about his Father (Avinu) and we get a glimpse of this relationship with Avraham (Abraham) and Yitshak (Isaac) as well as the mashal (parable) of what is known as the prodigal son.
There’s nothing religious about a father’s relationship with his son, it’s spontaneous and natural.
4 Sep 2012, 11:51 am
@Sheriff-31:
As long as I live,
I will never spell brai wrong again.
4 Sep 2012, 11:56 am
@Puma-18: Final comments before I’m out: we have 3 training sessions of 1½ hours each a week. On Mondays we do skills only. Some of the parents have complained about it, but there has been a remarkable improvement in the level of skills of the boys. What is also evident is the lack of proper skills’ training at primary school level (obviously not all the schools). When you have a group of players coming from more or less 8 different primary schools, the levels differ a lot. We have 2 big centres (we have moved the one to the wing because of his below average catching and passing) who tried to “bump” most of their opponents initially or used to run / cut back towards the forwards. The reason: in their league at primary school level, their team had the 2 of them as well as a big no. 8. All the play revolved around them (during last year) which meant that they hardly passed any balls.
Now finally they are passing but we still need to work on the accuracy etc.
4 Sep 2012, 11:56 am
@race of tan-30:
Australia were not as bad as some would have us believe, in their outings against NZ.
They will be hurting.
As will SA after Mendoza.
I’m picking Home wins in these two matches.
4 Sep 2012, 12:02 pm
@CharlesM-35: You doing good work bud. Keep it up. Pleased to read you coaching some skills the way to go from primary school.
Okay out of here too. Catch up later.
Cheers.
4 Sep 2012, 12:03 pm
its hard to believe that a player like frans is being viewed as a simple battering ram?
i still have seen nothing encouraging from the way the boks have played so far this 4n. there were some encouraging signs in the series vs the poms though.
meyer is rebuilding and along with injuries and retirement of a number of legends of the game, i fully expected him to struggle at first.
i also think that maybe his gameplan is the “safe” option for him at present until he has figured out who his best squad is and what to do to play the type of rugby he really wants.
will he be given time by the sa public?
i dont think so.
4 Sep 2012, 12:04 pm
@cane-36: I am hoping Boks turn it around and get a win away on Oz soil. Hoping we can Cane. Then we in for a cracker at Dunedin. If we lose to Oz our confidence will be just too low going down there.
Okay out of here. Cheers catch up later.
4 Sep 2012, 12:04 pm
@David-13: Well, David, why would our players bother themselves with ‘irrelevant” stuff like running good support lines when the coaches believe that all they need is big, fast, dumb players, after all, isn’t about dominating the collision?
4 Sep 2012, 12:05 pm
As an AB fan, Jordaan was the only SA midfield back that really scared me in the super 15 playoff games. Certainly Frans Steyn isn’t rated anywhere near as highly in NZ as he is in SA. Since he bulked up in France, he seems to have lost a lot of speed and agility.
I don’t think Frans would make it into the current AB team. Since Israel dagg took over at FB, we have sorted out our problems with distance kicking from hand, so we wouldn’t need him for that.
The 2009 model is a different kettle of fish – he was great that year.
4 Sep 2012, 12:05 pm
@cane-34:
I put it in there deliberately to see how long it will take for you to respond; given the actual distance and time difference not a bad turnaround
4 Sep 2012, 12:10 pm
Talking about kids sport, my son has played soccer since he was 5, and this year played in the top Wellington soccer league for 12 yo’s. Interestingly, two of the players in his club’s tip teams only started soccer in the last couple of years, previously having played rugby. NZ rugby must be doing something right with kids skills and game reading ability to enable these boys to switch over to soccer and to go straight into the top teams!
4 Sep 2012, 12:20 pm
@XhosaKid-40:
Dominating the collision and….
execution over innovation.
Now why would you need someone to run support running lines if that is your mantra?
All that needs to happen is that the players must execute so fast and so accurately that the opposition won’t have any chance to stop them even if they (opposition) knew exactly what was going to happen.
4 Sep 2012, 12:23 pm
@corporal punishment-43:
They must be playing for Stop Out.
Same goes for my sons U15 Soccer Team. Though I think the Ex Rugby Players in this case, are just naturally good athletes.
They also play a very physical game of soccer. I you know what I mean.
4 Sep 2012, 12:24 pm
Both are OK at centre but this is where the Boks are lacking. Compare these two to the NZ centre’s and need I say more? The Boks need quality centre’s who can step off both feet, get the passes away in the tackle and create the gaps. De Jongh is better suited but to be honest, we lacking in this department!
4 Sep 2012, 12:25 pm
@Sheriff-42:
Bait the hook Lawman, and you catch one everytime.
4 Sep 2012, 12:27 pm
@corporal punishment-41: great post…lot of truth in it.
4 Sep 2012, 12:30 pm
@greegs-46: Horan was most critical of Deans last year for playing a 12 who can’t step, pass or much else either than crash – Pat McCabe.
4 Sep 2012, 12:31 pm
barry and joubert worked, fourie and jean didnt, fourie and fransie boy did, jean and adi didnt, jean and fourie didnt, fransie and fourie did, fransie and jean dont. anyone spot the black sheep? hahahahahahaaaha
4 Sep 2012, 12:31 pm
@corporal punishment-43:
Yes I would agree with that.
South Africa’s years of isolation because of you-know-what meant that we were not exposed to the best and stretched to develop. A few of our coaches have worked hard to try and catch up but if I had a rugby team and must choose between a Kiwi and Saffa I’d opt for the Kiwi – but an honest one
The simple truth in rugby is this: the opportunity is in the space; if you play there chances are good that you will disrupt the defence structure and create the overlap.
4 Sep 2012, 12:34 pm
@Transformation-49: how is that comparable?
frans can step, pass both ways and kick with both feet?
wake up.
4 Sep 2012, 12:34 pm
@ cab 45: yep these kids are also physical, fast and v fit. Makes up for any gap in ball skills. That’s NZ soccer in a nutshell – minus the speed once we are playing internationals!!
4 Sep 2012, 12:36 pm
@Sheriff-51:
Space……………………………………..the final Frontier.
To boldly go where no man has gone before.
You are kidding right.
4 Sep 2012, 12:36 pm
@greegs-46:
“The Boks need quality centre’s who can step off both feet, get the passes away in the tackle and create the gaps. ”
That’s what we need. You right about that.
Unfortunately that is not the traditional SA way, so I doubt that we’ll be getting it in the near future.
Why do you think HM selects Fransie at inside centre? To bash it up, try and get over the advantage line and go to the ground. That’s why……..ot to run into gaps or to look for the offload when he gets tackled , that’s for sure.
4 Sep 2012, 12:36 pm
Frans Steyn can’t pass. Jean de Villiers won’t pass. They’ve degenerated into a third-generation photocopy replica of Marius Joubert and De Wet Barry — the crash-bash originals.
4 Sep 2012, 12:38 pm
@rangerman-52: has he done any of that in the past 4 games for the Boks?
4 Sep 2012, 12:38 pm
@cane-54:
Yeah the Boks would beat the ABs on Mars every time
4 Sep 2012, 12:39 pm
@rangerman-52: currently he is playing like McCabe and worse of i thing mccabe is faster than frans
4 Sep 2012, 12:40 pm
@ Nama1 – Bash ball is so outdated and thats why we getting hammered. Centre’s go to ground and allow the fetchers from the other teams to dominate. We need Danie Gerber and Jacques Fourie back in the team. HM believes bigger is better than fast…he’ll wake up soon. By selecting Louw he’s already gone against what he initially said.
4 Sep 2012, 12:40 pm
Fourie v highly rated in NZ prior to his retirement (which is what going to Japan generally is). Very smart player, a more physical version of Conrad smith.
4 Sep 2012, 12:42 pm
@ Rangerman – I’d be happy to send you a rugby 101 book, looks like you might need it!
4 Sep 2012, 12:43 pm
@TheTackler-56:
Release tackler !!!!
4 Sep 2012, 12:46 pm
@Blitzbok-50:
Jean and Adi worked great.
Go have a look at the games, in which they were the centres, again.
@Transformation-57:
I bet you he’ll mention that one skip pass by Fransie as prove that he did.
4 Sep 2012, 12:48 pm
@Transformation-57: so you are saying he cant?
you must be aving a larf pel.
or are you saying the game plan is for him to crash it up?
because then you may be onto something but your mccabe comparison still doesnt stand, sorry.
you must wake up transie, you arent talking ku k with a bunch of ten year olds here ok?
p.s. maccabe is faster eh?
on what grounds do you make this second erroneous statement?
looks like widdle transie is looking for another argument
4 Sep 2012, 12:50 pm
One thing I have noticed about SA rugby is that you tend to shift players between positions a lot. Eg Frans plays 15, 10 and 12, lambie 10 and 15, hougard etc. you do it in your forwards too. The other team that does this is England.
Seems to me that more often than not, this chopping and changing dulls a player’s attacking skills as they end up playing within the safe percentages. Ie to cover for unfamiliarity, they play it safe.
The Abs generally don’t switch players around much, and when we do it is often a disaster (Cullen and MacDonald at centre, and Jeff Wilson at fullback).
There are exceptions of course – mark Andrews was brilliant as a no8 in the 95 wc, when kiwis expected zinzan to have him for toast.
But generally speaking, I think it contributes quite a bit to your lack of backlit e fluency.
4 Sep 2012, 12:52 pm
@greegs-60: “Bash ball is so outdated”
no it is not, SBW does it a lot to but with him it is done intelligently, he picks mismatches and with his physique and skill to offload he is dangerous…go look at the dagg try at Eden Park, williams had to touches on that ball, one from a ruck situation that he picked up and ran, stepped and passed and another where he ran crashed and went down and presented the ball…
in both instances the aus defence were stretched…
fransie gives us none of this currently but he is world class too
4 Sep 2012, 12:53 pm
The only way that direct rugby can work is if the opponent has 1 less player, or differently stated, 14 players.
That way you can run directly onto the opponent as you already have the extra player. Unfortunately in rugby union (and most sports for that matter) it’s 15 against 15.
So you need to manipulate the defence with innovative ways to create confusion or mismatch to be successful. There is a reason why the try is rewarded with 5 points; it’s a subtle way of saying that that is what the game is about / what the crowd wants to see…
My guess is that New Zealand is a much happier nation since the appointment of our current coach. You will notice that no one will say anything negative about him. But they feared PdV because they could see for themselves what his plans were. He wanted to beat the ABs at their own game. So no Craig Doubt would say something like what he did during PdV’s tenure.
It will be dead quiet; just quietly waiting for the next test and the next…
4 Sep 2012, 12:53 pm
Bok backline is stillborn, sterile and impotent….
Blame shifted onto Hougaard.
Now Mvovo will be axed to accomodate Hougaard.
when the real problem has been starring us in the face since 2010….
M Steyn.
Drop him and start Lambie Sat, I bet Bok backs will be a different kettle of fish…..
M Steyn is the handbrake….without a shadow of a doubt…start there Meyer…
4 Sep 2012, 12:56 pm
@greegs-62: thanks man but roll it up and shove it where the sun dont shine you armchair expert you.
its all just opinion isnt it so tell me yours rather you chop
4 Sep 2012, 12:57 pm
@greegs-60:
That’s the problem with HM’s game plan.
Asking Frans to get over the advantage line and then not have a loosie who plays to the ball to secure it for the next phase. That’s why we lose so many balls due to turn overs or the ball carrier gets penalized for holding onto the ball while lying on the ground.
All the while Coetzee, Potgieter and Alberts, plus a couple of tight forwards, are waiting at the back for the ball to bash it up again.
Would’ve been funny if it was not so stupid.
4 Sep 2012, 12:57 pm
@rangerman-65: hook, line and sinker
4 Sep 2012, 12:59 pm
@grant10-69: did you see my post to you on the shipperley thread?
4 Sep 2012, 13:00 pm
@ Transformation 67 – I do agree with what you say, altho my understanding of bash ball is crashing over the advantage line and taking the ball to ground. What SBW does so well is offload the ball before he hits the ground which creates that gap….not really bash ball! Prbably call that tackleball…
4 Sep 2012, 13:02 pm
@grant10-69: when you are right you are right gwantie.
dont let that comment go to your head ok?
4 Sep 2012, 13:03 pm
@Transformation-72: haha, thats an admission you were talking out your blowhole
4 Sep 2012, 13:04 pm
South Africa
Louw backs Boks to bounce back
Tue, 04 Sep 2012 09:06
PrevNextI wouldn’t say that we are panicking and everything is getting thrown out the window
Recalled Springbok loose forward Francois Louw has called on his teammates to “stay composed” and focussed on the job at hand.
Speaking at a media briefing in Perth, ahead of South Africa’s third-round Rugby Championship encounter with Australia on Saturday, Louw dismissed the notion that the Boks’ 16-all draw against Argentina a fortnight ago was a disaster.
The hard-hitting flank, who joined English Premiership club Bath last year and has captained them, joined up with the Boks in Perth late on Monday – after being recalled in the place of Keegan Daniel.
The former Stormers loose forward, unlike the widely held belief that Heyneke Meyer is on the wrong track with his coaching style, said there is no need for panic.
“They [the Boks] did well in the first game, getting a decent [27-6] victory [over the Pumas at Newlands],” he said of the Round One result.
“Getting a [16-all] draw in Mendoza [is] not an ideal outcome,” Louw told the media, adding: “That just shows what this tournament is like and what Argentina can bring to the table.
“They are not a side you can take lightly … it was a hard game up front.”
He described the Mendoza draw as a “wake-up call”.
“That is something we can feed off as a [Bok] team, going into the last four games [of the Rugby Championship],” Louw said, adding that there is definitely no sense of panic in the Bok camp at all.
“It wasn’t a good game, but I wouldn’t say that we are panicking and everything is getting thrown out the window.
“As with any side the most important thing is to stay focussed on the task, have composure … obviously work on your mistakes and fix those errors.
“You must [also] advance [and improve] on the things you did well.”
Describing himself as a “more rounded” player, the 27-year-old loose forward has made the most of his 19 appearances for Bath to add a difference dimension to his game.
Although seen as an openside flank, he feels that he has learnt from the more direct approach most Northern Hemisphere teams take to the game.
“There is a whole different culture there in the United Kingdom alone … the rugby is different,” he said of his stint in England.
“The styles between the Southern and Northern Hemispheres are different … not to say one is better than the other – the guys like to keep it a little more direct over there and a little more expansive in the south.”
He felt it was an “easy adjustment” to make.
“I have definitely been introduced to a new dimension of rugby,” Louw said, adding: “As a player you constantly look to evolve … you can never sit back and say this is my limit.
“To be introduced to new styles, new players and new schools of thought surrounding the game has massively broaden my perspective on the game.
“There is definitely elements you can take from it to improve your game.
“You play alongside players you can feed off, international players, Six Nations players. I definitely learnt a thing or two over there and [has] become a more allround player.”
Louw has also come in for high praise from Bok coach Heyneke Meyer, who felt the experience he brings from playing up north will be of good value to South Africa.
“If you look at our loose trio at the moment, there is not a lot of experience there,” Meyer said, adding: “He also brings an extra leadership role, which we also need at this stage.
“I haven’t worked with him before, so I want to have a close look at him.”
However, the Bok coach felt that – after having watched videos of the last two games between Australia and New Zealand – there is a lot of competing on the ground and that is where Louw can add value.
“It [competing on the ground] is one area we are going to look at – he’ll fit into that role.”
Louw hasn’t been guaranteed a starting place and may only play off the bench, since he only joined up with the Boks late on Monday and won’t have much time to adjust to the new Bok culture under Meyer.
“We’ll assess him [this week], but I am very happy to have a player of his stature here … especially with all the injuries to senior players.
“I think he will have a big role to play.”
Meyer said he always wanted the option of a specialist openside flank, maybe coming off the bench.
Meyer feels that with the Northern Hemisphere referees usually a little bit more lenient at the breakdown – Welshman Nigel Owens is in charge this week – he wants the Boks to have cover in that department.
“[Wallaby Michael] Hooper is a very good openside [flank] and he is playing very well,” the Bok coach said, adding: “At least he [Louw] gives us that option there if we need to put a specialist openside flank on, we do have the personnel there.
“What I have noticed, while analysing the videos, is that most of the steals are by the hookers.
“I said before, the whole team needs to be able to compete on the ground [at the breakdown] and our problem was not just taking the opposition ball, the problem against Argentina was the breakdown on our own ball.
“That is not just the openside’s role, it is the whole team.
“We need to be more affective at the breakdown. Our body positions should be lower and we should clean more effectively at the breakdown … it is a team thing, not just a job for the openside [flank].
“It is always nice to have an openside flank around and I have always believed in a specialist openside.”
Highly regarded for his defensive skills, Louw will provide the Boks with another strong back row option.
He does not only create havoc at the breakdown for opposing teams, but is also skilful and quick in attack.
The 188cm, 112kg loose forward has made 10 appearances for South Africa since his debut against Wales in 2010, and he has scored two tries – most recently he was selected to be part of the Springbok squad for the 2011 World Cup in New Zealand
4 Sep 2012, 13:06 pm
@Transformation-73: will check it now mate
4 Sep 2012, 13:08 pm
@ 13 David
My most sincere apologies.
4 Sep 2012, 13:08 pm
@greegs-74: ag sbw isnt the only offloader in the game,
keegans offload vs the cheetahs was simply sublime.
hands above the tackle and then below the defenders arms for the pop pass.
and keegs is cooling his jets in the cc whilst meyer selects bashers which is precisely why we dont see frans offloading or distributing. because of the gameplan.
allied to this is the fact that morne is playing 20m behind the advantage line and you have the perfect recipe for a stagnant backline.
put that in your rugby101 book
4 Sep 2012, 13:11 pm
@nama1-44: Genius!!!, the plan is full-proof, we will not lose. We have bigger, quicker, stronger players than anyone else, who needs ball skills and intelligence?. Intelligence and ball skills is for those midgets we will be playing against , if you dominate collision you have won the game, bring in JJ Engelbrecht ahead of those WP midgets.
How come JJ Engelbrecht couldn’t buy a game behind those black midgets in Cape Town, but managed to walk into the Bok team ahead of those black midgets?, Hondo, please feel free to explain…..
4 Sep 2012, 13:12 pm
@grant10-77: haha, what was he supposed to say?
meyer is wrong but shot for the gametime.
its so funny that ruan is being touted at 10 to “take pressure off morne”
morne was shoved into the bok side at ruans expense to satisfy the baying mob and now the worm has turned. tough job i guess.
4 Sep 2012, 13:12 pm
@rangerman-76: for the past 4 games fransie has been playing like mcaabe, you can’t deny it, go watch the newlands test…domkop stampkar all the way!
he looked stupid, even to your “fan boy” eyes
4 Sep 2012, 13:13 pm
@XhosaKid-81: which black midgets are we talking about here?
you are pretty fired up about this buddy, its not because you are black is it?
4 Sep 2012, 13:14 pm
@rangerman-80:
Keegan should be playing for the Boks this week, Keegan at 8 FLO at 6 and Alberts at 7, with Marcel providing cover. It is a travesty that he is going to be playing against GWAS and not Aus.
4 Sep 2012, 13:15 pm
80 not the only but certainly the best
4 Sep 2012, 13:16 pm
@Transformation-83:
wriggling like a wem.
wriggle away transie, you know you were talking k u k
4 Sep 2012, 13:16 pm
@rangerman-52: with all due respect, if you think Frans can step, then I fully understand why drunk white guys think they are best dancers in town. Frans couldn’t step to save his life, the boys is big , can defend and kick and that’s about it.
4 Sep 2012, 13:16 pm
@grant10-77:
“Meyer said he always wanted the option of a specialist openside flank, maybe coming off the bench….
….“It is always nice to have an openside flank around and I have always believed in a specialist openside.”
Really HM???
Why then did you not select HEINRICH BRUSSOW against England. He was not injured back then. Even having him coming off the bench would’ve been much better than having Potgieter coming off the bench.
4 Sep 2012, 13:18 pm
@grant10-69: Jeez bud – if that statement didn’t hit the nail on the head I don’t know what…
At least Meyer is eyeing Goosen for the future so I don’t think Morne will be in the picture for long. I also currently would choose Lambie as a starting Flyhalf until Goosen proves himself. Lambie lacks the out-and-out pace for fullback and playing him at fullback would do more damage than having him sit on the bench as no. 10 cover.
And we need Coenie to teach all of our backline players how to side-step.
4 Sep 2012, 13:18 pm
@touch.pause.engage-85: but keegan doesn’t hit rucks! people moan everyday that spies is a ruck inspector but want another ruck inspector instead?
oh ja keegan offloads
4 Sep 2012, 13:18 pm
Bloody Mvovo gets the axe without doing a thing wrong?
Thats b s hit man….
Hougaard can go sit on the bench….
M Steyn can go to France or Japan with Spies….
Lets start playing rugby again man….we regressing back into the dark ages with these damn ball carrier stampkar brutes and a 10 deep in the pocket…
4 Sep 2012, 13:18 pm
@rangerman-87: no kak, you just can’t handle the truth because you’re a fransie fanboy
4 Sep 2012, 13:19 pm
one dimensional dinosaurs
where is all this farken talent we hear about?
where is the depth?
SA deserved 8th at the WC
good to see the circus is still in season
Aussie by 15, because SA rugby is K@K
4 Sep 2012, 13:19 pm
@touch.pause.engage-85: I agree.
4 Sep 2012, 13:21 pm
@Transformation-91:
Keegan does more in 5 min in a game than Spies does in a season….fact !
4 Sep 2012, 13:21 pm
@nama1-89: meyer is bloody hypocrite man, he thinks we don’t have tapes or quotes of his earlier interviews…
he said brussow needs to PROVE that he can play the new laws as in meyer’s mind he (Brussow) is giving away loads of penalties, nothing about “horses for courses”.
4 Sep 2012, 13:23 pm
@rangerman-84: Ask Hondo about the black midgets, he uses it to describe cullerd and black players.
4 Sep 2012, 13:23 pm
Honestly guys.
Do any of you think HM has it in him to change this Backline?
Really two coaches before him had backline problems, is it the coaches or the players that are being picked here?
4 Sep 2012, 13:25 pm
@grant10-92: Mvovo did a lot wrong, just ask Hondo.
4 Sep 2012, 13:26 pm
@poppa69-94:
Don’t hold back Popps.
4 Sep 2012, 13:26 pm
@Hurricane-99: its neither, its the actual intellect of the collective..
4 Sep 2012, 13:27 pm
@touch.pause.engage-85: ag meyer is making some strange decisions but its his head on the line i suppose.
i just dont see why keegan was given 50 mins of gametime in a winning team and then 10 mins in a losing team and then dropped?
4 Sep 2012, 13:28 pm
@Sheriff-58:
yeah suppose it is at altitude.
4 Sep 2012, 13:29 pm
still, they can always use the Pistorious excuse when they lose this weekend..
4 Sep 2012, 13:29 pm
@rangerman-103: Its called smokes and mirrors, just like the JJ Engelbrecht vs JDJ selection or non selection, it doesn’t make sense. Smokes and Mirrors
4 Sep 2012, 13:29 pm
@poppa69-94:
Poppa, get it out brother. No beating about the bush now
4 Sep 2012, 13:30 pm
South Africa is exactly like Siberia
everyone knows where it is
but who the fark wants to go there??????
4 Sep 2012, 13:31 pm
@poppa69-94: The player talent is all there in abundance Poppa. The real lack of talent lies in the coaching in South Africa.
4 Sep 2012, 13:31 pm
@XhosaKid-88: haha bs man (ok the part about drunk white guys dancing may be spot on
)
he can pass both ways and kick and step but he isnt being allowed to play his natural game in this bok setup is he?
@Transformation-93: haha nonsense transie, you were being silly, own it
@XhosaKid-98: since when does hondo speak for anyone else bud? the oke is warped.
4 Sep 2012, 13:32 pm
@poppa69-108:
yes yes sweetie, calm down and have your milkies now, you obviously need a little sleep.
4 Sep 2012, 13:32 pm
@grant10-92:
Yeah man. If it is true that Hougaard will start at wing ahead of either Mvovo or Habana, it will be a disgrace imo.
@Hurricane-99:
Maybe not him but the forward coach who doubles as attack coach might.
Only in good, old SA.
4 Sep 2012, 13:34 pm
@HongKongSlong-109: so I keep hearing, but Ill be farked if I ever see it come to fruition..
even us kiwis have felt the cold of the blade when we’ve tried to assist, literally as well as figuratively..
is no gated community safe these days?
4 Sep 2012, 13:35 pm
@Sheriff-58:
Hey Sheriff. POB long arm of authority reaches Mars.
You guys are fuked.We have those Martian ref in our pockets. You guys need to look somewhere else.
Maybe Venus, its for girls i heard
4 Sep 2012, 13:35 pm
@nama1-112:
lol
4 Sep 2012, 13:39 pm
the problem with Hougaard on the wing is : you’ll have to make place for a quota in another position …. also no other option than to play side show bob zane! …
4 Sep 2012, 13:40 pm
They should have summoned JF to team up with Fran Styen, discard Morne Styen and Keep JdV on the wing, then pass a judgement
4 Sep 2012, 13:41 pm
Isn’t it rich?
Are we a pair?
Me here at last on the ground,
You in mid-air..
Where are the clowns?
Isn’t it bliss?
Don’t you approve?
One who keeps tearing around,
One who can’t move…
Where are the clowns?
Send in the clowns.
4 Sep 2012, 13:41 pm
@grant100-116: I’m sure HM won’t battle to find another Afrikaner quota, Flip ” penalty machine” VDM ?, JJ?, Spies??
4 Sep 2012, 13:42 pm
Leave Mvovo where he is and have Hougie on the bench – that way he can come on wherever needed in 2nd half.
4 Sep 2012, 13:42 pm
Just when I’d stopped opening doors,
Finally knowing the one that I wanted was yours.
Making my entrance again with my usual flair
Sure of my lines…
No one is there.
Don’t you love farce?
My fault, I fear.
I thought that you’d want what I want…
Sorry, my dear!
And where are the clowns
Send in the clowns
Don’t bother, they’re here.
4 Sep 2012, 13:44 pm
isn’t it rich?
Isn’t it *****?
Losing my timing this late in my career.
And where are the clowns?
There ought to be clowns…
Well, maybe next year.
doot doot doodle oodle oot doot do do
4 Sep 2012, 13:44 pm
See that pic of Halley Berry in a bikini,(top left of screen).
Now scroll down to the Keo Team.
Has Nikita got a better set than Halley or what.
4 Sep 2012, 13:45 pm
@grant100-116:
HM’s job is on the line, like Dawie Theron before, he has to clear out the ‘passengers’ and worry about the quota ramifications later
It worked for Theron, should work against the current Wallabies who are btw a disgrace!
4 Sep 2012, 13:47 pm
@Hondo-124: a team that has beaten you 6 out of the last 7 times is a disgrace?
bwahahaa ok then, thanks for proving my earlier point about the collective being that stupid..
proof, meet pudding..
4 Sep 2012, 13:48 pm
just look what griquas did to elton…. and to think elton’s father wanted him in the bok team…. eish … TIK now being used in JHB aswel?
4 Sep 2012, 13:49 pm
@XhosaKid-119:
HM has no choice, really, chiliboy, jp and kolisie broke their ‘fingers’
4 Sep 2012, 13:50 pm
@cane-123: do yourself a favour Cane, forget Nikita.. imagine if you had kids? theyd be half South African, how could you do that to one who hasnt a choice?
4 Sep 2012, 13:51 pm
@grant100-116:
Isn’t it enough that the team has to carry Morne and Potgieter already?
No more quotas ekse.
@grant100-116:
Well said.
4 Sep 2012, 13:52 pm
@poppa69-125:
Not this current team
And yes, with Bryce Lawrence and Craig Joubert both the ABs and the Wallabies can go places!
4 Sep 2012, 13:52 pm
@grant100-116:
Well said.
Meant for Xhosakid (p. 119)
4 Sep 2012, 13:54 pm
@Hondo-130: are you Oscar Pistorious? he had excuses for losing too, and he seems just as lame as your excuses do?
4 Sep 2012, 13:54 pm
@cane-123: Filmed in the glorious Cape it was…Dark Tide.
@Hondo-124: Not sure where your and your ilk find all this ‘confidence’ going into the Aussie test. It’s certainly not based on our recent record against them, and it can’t be based on anything the Boks have shown up until now – so tell me what cheap and hammered tea leaves you have been reading that give you these positive Bok vibes? Wallabies a disgrace you say? Whatthefuckdoesthatmaketheboksatthemoment?
I don’t get this confidence, and “we should always beat the Wallabies” entitlement….
4 Sep 2012, 13:57 pm
@Hondo-127:
Don’t forget Spies.
Just pulled it from his arse and it broke.
4 Sep 2012, 13:58 pm
@grant100-126: @Hondo-127: Ohfuck. So the two of you will be feeding off each other today? A sick and depraved version of an online 69?…….The question is…who manages to shoot the furthest as the hysteria reaches it’s peak….
I’m guessing it will be a dribble dribble dribble from both parties…..
4 Sep 2012, 13:59 pm
@poppa69-128:
I cannot forget her Popps.
All my life I dreamed of the perfect game set and matching pair.
4 Sep 2012, 14:00 pm
@cane-123:
And?
4 Sep 2012, 14:00 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-135:
That’s depraved Doc.
Keep it up.
4 Sep 2012, 14:01 pm
@cane-136: shes ordinary mate… has South African genes… wears earrings that make her face look long..
seen better on Karangahape road at 4:15 am when Ive had twenty beers..
4 Sep 2012, 14:01 pm
oops…………………………………………………………………I’m out of here.
4 Sep 2012, 14:06 pm
@Nikita-137: Nikita wins hands down
4 Sep 2012, 14:08 pm
@grant100-126: and what did Elton do the the WP team that just tore the Bulls a new one???
4 Sep 2012, 14:08 pm
Forget the midfield.
They need the pack to provide a solid foundation in set phases, the boys to clean the rucks effectively, and a scrummy that clears accurately and quickly.
4 Sep 2012, 14:10 pm
@PissAnt-143: can always count on Morne to provide a semblance of truth… wish there were more like you..
4 Sep 2012, 14:12 pm
@poppa69-139:
At 4:15 am, after having 20 beers, they all look the same….equally beautiful. :lol;
4 Sep 2012, 14:13 pm
@cane-140: in Black Eyed Peas words ” I’ve got a feeling ….” – you had better get on your bike now.
This Saturday will see the coming of age of 2 great young Bok players in the making – Eben and Marcel if they play him with FLO. I hope that Lambie gets an opportunity as well. We hav problem in the front row however, both the Beast and JDP are tired and neither Strauss nor Liebenberg strong enough to help them out. This is where combinations really work.
4 Sep 2012, 14:13 pm
@nama1-134: HAhhaha!!!
4 Sep 2012, 14:13 pm
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4 Sep 2012, 14:14 pm
@PissAnt-143:
Nou ja.
That’s rugby.
In a nutshell.
4 Sep 2012, 14:16 pm
@PissAnt-143: PA they are going to have to overcome the new combination issue as well as travel to play a talented yet maybe disjointed Ozzie side at this moment. Gonna be hard but I would play
Beast
Strauss
JDP
Eben
Juandre
Flo
Marcel
Duanne/Alberts
Ruan
Hougie
Morne
Frans
JDV
Mvovo
Lambie
4 Sep 2012, 14:17 pm
@grant100-148:
Unemployed again?
4 Sep 2012, 14:18 pm
@nama1-145: D
look, not to say she isnt attractive, but she does herself no favours… with her skin tone she should be wearing dark coloured clothing
just my opinion mind.
4 Sep 2012, 14:19 pm
@poppa69-152:
What are you
A stylist
4 Sep 2012, 14:20 pm
@Dawn-153: nope, just a connoisseur
4 Sep 2012, 14:22 pm
@PissAnt-143:
True.
I think we can agree that the tight five is the best we have at this moment, maybe just Kruger for Bekker.
Now, how do you get all of them to hit the rucks in order to secure clean ball? Some of them are currently not doing it especially Beast. Strauss is not known for it. Jannie is Jannie even though he has been playing good rugby for a while now. Him hitting a ruck is like thrower somebody with a feather.
That leaves only the locks to do the work of cleaning the rucks since none of the loosies will commit themselves to it as they are waiting for the ball in the fringes to carry it up again.
The mindset is wrong and needs to change.
Afa the loose trio goes, there just is no balance if everybody wants to run with the ball or rather bash it up another few feet.
4 Sep 2012, 14:23 pm
a new zeelander saying someone is ugly lol …. its like bill gates calling someone rich ….
4 Sep 2012, 14:23 pm
@poppa69-154:
Surprised you can spell it!
4 Sep 2012, 14:24 pm
Just kidding.
4 Sep 2012, 14:25 pm
@PissAnt-143: So what happens when the other team does exactly the same or better?
4 Sep 2012, 14:26 pm
as Ive said before, the problem with the bok tight five is there is no leadership..
with Bismarck and both experienced locks out, there is no one bringing the collective together
such a simple game…
4 Sep 2012, 14:27 pm
@grant100-156:
there are beauties everywhere buddy.
but your comment is quite funny.
4 Sep 2012, 14:29 pm
Cane is truly obsessed.
The standard of beauty in the Hutts must be sooo kuk.
4 Sep 2012, 14:30 pm
@Dawn-162: nikita is quite pleasant on the eye though Dawnie.
4 Sep 2012, 14:31 pm
Joanne
Howsabout you put Cane out of his misery!
4 Sep 2012, 14:31 pm
@grant100-156: its like saying corrugated iron makes a good house
4 Sep 2012, 14:32 pm
While for more than a week now these moronic followers behave like mad dogs chasing their tails for a way out of this rugby nightmare of failure(predicted), the sure answer is stunning in its simplicity. But it will get worse in the next two w-ends of September(also predicted after Argentina).
From time immemorial their gameplan(rugby policy) has been a simple “subdue the (seemingly less endowed )opposition into submission and then dominate them to achieve our masterful control and rule the world of rugby. This is the mentality of the unable-to-think BULLY(the world over). Accept that universal life has moved on and we live in the era of superfast and skillful gadgets where brains are demanded.
But lo and behold does that gameplan not sound like something we have all heard and experienced for many lifetimes?
Does “subdue the opposition into submission and dominate them to achieve our masterful control” not spell out racism,, and ‘APARTHEID’ to be exact? Are those of the BULLY mentality and unable-to-think brigade not responsible for that too?
Does SA rugby = ‘Apartheid’ then complete the losing equation of a life in SA?
For as long as you have the likes of those northen laager-wagoners like ‘boepie’ H. Meyer dictating the affairs of national interests, for so long will failure stare this motherland in the face.
In the Circle of Life this is balance.
4 Sep 2012, 14:33 pm
thrower = throwing
@poppa69-160:
The fact is that they are out and not available.
Beast and Jannie are both very experienced at this level. Bekker also played quite a few test matches. Among the three of them, they should be able to guide the newcomers for now.
4 Sep 2012, 14:34 pm
@Neilanate-166: you are a trifle strange buddy.
4 Sep 2012, 14:36 pm
@nama1-155: The ruck problem won’t be solved by putting more number into the ruck. Part of the problem lies in the support lines and the other is the lack of proper technique in ruck clearance. Body-manipulation is crucial aspect in this. It’s mostly strength based, but quite a bit of it has to do with technique and recognizing when to employ what technique.
4 Sep 2012, 14:38 pm
@nama1-167: beast is over rated, always has been… Jannie shouldnt be in the side, offers nothing and both of them are weak in their core duties, i.e scrummaging…
Bekker has had too many injuries to even command a starting spot, and has had how many test matches in total? (I presume it isnt more than 10? genuine question)..
there is no one prepared to get stuck in, and as such the rest become stand offish.. there is no communication, no organiser and so they play as individuals..
just my opinion though
4 Sep 2012, 14:42 pm
@Dawn-164:
And how should I do that?
4 Sep 2012, 14:42 pm
@poppa69-94:
A smart guy like you must know the “talent” has been ,is and will be forever suppressed by the monstrously conservative(‘verkrampte’) rugby BULLY? In short their is, has been and will be no “talent” let alone overflow type and numbers. All the Steyns are no more than deficient, selfish bullies of some sort.
4 Sep 2012, 14:45 pm
RYAN VREDE… You’re just such a shockingly bad rugby pundit, its laughable.
4 Sep 2012, 14:45 pm
@rangerman-168:
And you still are that ‘apartheid’ achiever chasing your tail like millions of dalmations(how apt).
4 Sep 2012, 14:46 pm
@rangerman-168: that’s an understatement for ExtraBallas…
he hates SA but wants to celebrate with us when the Proteas reach the summit of Test cricket
and cue the “Dolly” D’ Oliviera bio…
4 Sep 2012, 14:49 pm
@pompies2-169:
Without the proper technique, which we clearly don’t have, I would suggest that we put more numbers into the ruck to at least secure our ball. Isn’t it the reason why HM prefers big, heavy players ahead of smaller, more skillful players? Now why don’t they hassle in the rucks instead of standing around and watching the 2/3 Bok players fighting for the ball and losing it eventually?
In the meantime, HM can go ahead and coach our players the proper technique since the provincial coaches seem unable to do so.
4 Sep 2012, 14:52 pm
@poppa69-170:
An opinion with which I agree 100%. Especially the 3rd paragraph.
4 Sep 2012, 14:52 pm
The biggest joke of the year is the 48 hr. number 1 ranking for the Proteas in the ODI version.
Now they will have to wait for 2 months, 2 years or dare it be said, 20 years?
Without the not-so-white Amla(achieving) and Philander(not selected) top ranking are hard to come by, let alone held on.
4 Sep 2012, 14:53 pm
@poppa69-170: “beast is over rated, always has been… Jannie shouldnt be in the side, offers nothing and both of them are weak in their core duties, i.e scrummaging”
jeepuz popps, the two of them destroyed everything in front of them in super rugby and should be knackered considering the amount of travel and gametime they’ve racked up…
4 Sep 2012, 14:55 pm
Among other things, it is important for a backline player to have size and SPEED. This creates momentum and makes it difficult for the opposition to defend. Never mind handling skills or kicking. This is another conversation altogether. Assuming players have an equal kicking and handling game etc, it’s usually better to select the guy who generates more momentum. Especially in the centres.
Forwards however, are not especially required to have blistering pace. If they have a sufficient amount, they can still easily become world class. Richie McCaw as an example is not particularly fast, but is one of the best forwards in the world. What a forward needs (in contrast to a backline player) is a combination of size and MONGREL. What is mongrel? It is the skills which can’t be coached. It is close-combat. It is the ability of a player to win a battle he shouldn’t have won. It is the ability of the player to cause such a nuisance to the opposition that they make mistakes. It is ugly. It is not thoroughbred…. It is Ashley Johnson, not Pierre Spies.
Pierre Spies should be a backline player.
Ashley Johnson should be a Springbok.
View here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Thsrmjigmk4
4 Sep 2012, 14:55 pm
@Neilanate-174: seriously, you are weird.
wake up.
@Transformation-175: its quite hilarious posting on keo.
sure, we have a good barney and we tear strips out of each other at times like all saffas do but every now and then there are some seriously deranged minds on here and this poor fellow is one of them.
4 Sep 2012, 14:58 pm
@Transformation-179: haha, poops is talking k u k.
beast and jannie were outstanding against such highly rated front rows as the highlanders and chiefs.
4 Sep 2012, 14:59 pm
@Transformation-179: the travel excuse? how did the ABs win the world cup when the majority of their forward pack travelled over 100 000 kms each during the super rugby season of 2011? then had 3Ns then the WC?
4 Sep 2012, 15:01 pm
@nama1-176: I’m not a fan of the disproportionate response. The problem has been quantified and now it’s just a matter of applying the correct remedy. By putting more numbers into the ruck, you then limit your attacking play. The importance of the correct supporting lines also needs to be highlighted because is doesn’t just aid the ruck, but also aids continuity in the case of line breaks and offloads in the tackle.
i don’t recall this being a problem at the franchises, so i can only assume that players’ attention and role definition has changed or been redefined for test rugby.
4 Sep 2012, 15:02 pm
@rangerman-182: the highlanders front row highly rated?
hahaha bye bye credibility..
macintosh is kak… should have gone long time ago…
4 Sep 2012, 15:05 pm
@poppa69-185: ok you are right.
they are k u k.
4 Sep 2012, 15:05 pm
Some here shout Boks and Proteas and in the dark of night like a murderer silently call Wallabies and All Blacks and the rest. And that spells HYPOCRITE.
Since when does highlighting the achievements of those whose forebears were denied(Philander,Amla etc.) equate to the being enthusiastic about Proteas? Distortion of a serial liar?
The only decent protea is the one I swiped off the mountain in the reserve 10 days ago. It flourishes presently in a vase of water.
4 Sep 2012, 15:08 pm
@rangerman-186: so who rates the highlanders front row so much? please enlighten me…
4 Sep 2012, 15:09 pm
@Neilanate-187: amla and big vern are ours weirdo.
you can phuuuuck off loser.
4 Sep 2012, 15:09 pm
@poppa69-188: the guys who play in it?
4 Sep 2012, 15:10 pm
their moms?
4 Sep 2012, 15:10 pm
girlfriends?
4 Sep 2012, 15:10 pm
wives?
4 Sep 2012, 15:10 pm
@rangerman-190: cool, so no real substance to your claim
quelle surprise..
4 Sep 2012, 15:11 pm
who knows really, its a funny old world.
but one things for sure, you dont.
then again you are a blues fan. so why would you?
4 Sep 2012, 15:12 pm
@poppa69-183: majority is who? mealamu, woodcock?
the franks ROTATE and are rotated even NOW which is why ben wants to leave the crusaders!
you are delusional if you think what the Sharks were asked to do was not taxing!
no point in talking to a troll, as you were.
4 Sep 2012, 15:12 pm
@nama1-64: you fkin idiot they were kak hahahaha jean and adi was worse than van straaten and jorrie muller bwahahahaha you dont know **** pal fk adi was fkin cockswallop and jean a fkin carthorse we had a **** 2008 you fkin saggy *** fk you are so stoooopid
4 Sep 2012, 15:13 pm
@poppa69-194: likewise your comments about the beast and jannie
in fact you made your name toss there poops.
the sharks pack was awesome this season and once the beast got back from injury, they handled all comers.
it was beautiful.
just beyoooodifulll
4 Sep 2012, 15:13 pm
@rangerman-195: I understand Ranger, you have no real rugby knowledge and as such have to diffuse the situation by being obtuse and redirecting..
again, a simple question, who rates the highlanders front row so highly?
4 Sep 2012, 15:15 pm
@Blitzbok-197: i would like to introduce you to someone named neilanate.
he is also looking for a friend.
4 Sep 2012, 15:17 pm
@poppa69-199: oooh, am i talking to a kenner?
a real g e n u i n e expert?
teach me poops, tell me why you are so amazing and i am not.
get phucked fatty lol, you talked sh it e about jannie and the beast and now want to argue about the highlanders?
4 Sep 2012, 15:21 pm
@Transformation-196: where did I say it wasnt taxing, I just said it isnt an excuse because the majority of the saders pack did more and still WON a WC… mealamu and woodcock play for the blues Trans, so right away you prove your ignorance..
I said the majority of the saders pack, but then youre well known for bending peoples words because you cant argue the fact
McCaw, Owen franks, Whitelock, Thorn, Reid , Ben franks 5 (6) of the 8 forwards travelled over 100 000 kms in super rugby in 2011 and were there when NZ won the WC..
how was the sharks more taxing then the Saders forwards of 11? it wasnt, so fck off boy..
@rangerman-198: beast and jannie are kak, and the Aussies will prove it this weekend.. they didnt handle the Chiefs too well, twice in fact… ordinary plonkers, typical saffa windgats!
4 Sep 2012, 15:21 pm
@pompies2-184:
SA players are not known for their supportive running lines as you may well know. They are not good without the ball in hand on attack and sometimes look even worse with ball in hand. So, it might take a while to get them to understand what they are suppose to do.
In the meantime however, we get pummeled by the Argies in the rucks while the Aussies and AB’s have been our nemesis at ruck time for years (before the arrival of Brussow). We need a short term solution while working on a long term solution. More numbers at the ruck is exactly how the Argies deprived us of quick ball. For now, I think we should go that route as well. We will at least slow down the opposition ball which will hamper their attacking play with the back line.
Also, it is not as if we look like having an attacking game even when we have good, quick clean ball. More often than not the FH kick that ball way up into the sky for the rest of the players to chase.
So, committing more players to the ruck to at least secure our own ball and slow the opposition ball down, won’t make any difference imo.
4 Sep 2012, 15:21 pm
@rangerman-201: Ignore him mate. The comments are coming from a “man” berating SA for its people problems while living in a land whose white peoples killed off an entire island (Tasmania), which kept Aboriginal reserves (akin to “homelands”) and which has a government that does less for its original inhabitants than the ANC. He is a walking, talking loony tunes character for Hypocrisy-r-Us.
4 Sep 2012, 15:22 pm
@rangerman-201: youre the one who said the highlanders front row was highly rated, I asked you to prove it… you havent and continue to divert..
says it all
4 Sep 2012, 15:22 pm
@nama1-203:
won’t make any difference imo….to our attacking play.
4 Sep 2012, 15:23 pm
@nama1-203: As pleased as I am about Flo being included, and as good a player as he is, he is a different type of player to Brussouw. Flo was unable to handle Pocock in the quarter finals. If he is to be used, he needs to be utilised correctly as per the Stormers used to.
4 Sep 2012, 15:24 pm
@mikeybrass-204: yep, when 270 co workers get charged with murder that is perpetuated by the SA police force, you know the countries fucked..
4 Sep 2012, 15:25 pm
@poppa69-202: @poppa69-199: Popps, Jannie & Beast played the Reds in Brisbane, The Stormers in Cape Town, The Chiefs in Hamilton and are a week ago battle Roncero and his grizzled Argies in Mendoza and are to face the Wallabies in Perth…all this is an space of less than 2 months!!!
get real!
you brag about a 100 000kms racked up by the crusaders over 6 months please calculate the distances between durban, joburg, brisbane, durban, cape town, durban, sidney, hamilton, joburg, durban, cape town, buenos aries, mendoza, joburg, perth in 2 months
i’ll be waiting
4 Sep 2012, 15:25 pm
Poops wants people to think a front row containing the likes of Jamie Mackintosh and All Black Andrew Hore was not highly regarded. Looney tunes.
4 Sep 2012, 15:26 pm
@poppa69-208: Get out of Australia then.
4 Sep 2012, 15:28 pm
@Transformation-209: Don’t bother. The idiot is spurting again and from the wrong end.
4 Sep 2012, 15:29 pm
@Transformation-209: so if this front row was all conquering, why did the team only just scrape into 6th spot? surely they should have been right up the top of the log if they were so “dominant”?
only themselves to blame for their “travel disadvantage”
saffas looking for excuses, how very ummm strange..
4 Sep 2012, 15:29 pm
@nama1-203: I think we’re going to agree to disagree on this one.
The argies did indeed get the better of the boks at rucktime due to numbers, only because we were too slow to get to the ruck. They were good at assessing the ruck situation and poured numbers in when the boks were slow in their support.
That’s key to all good defensive tactics. Recognize the situation and apply thew correct action, otherwise you’re wasting your energy.
4 Sep 2012, 15:31 pm
@mikeybrass-211: why? I didnt perpetuate the same type of racist bullshit your forefathers are guilty of..
talking about spouting ****, you seem full of it..
hahaha laughing at the audacity of someone whose forefathers have been the very epitome of oppression for 100 years..
do you not even feel some embarassment for the way your forefathers treated fellow humans?
4 Sep 2012, 15:31 pm
Dawn do you think these men are as passionate about their woman as they are about discussing the men in their rugby team? It makes me think.
4 Sep 2012, 15:33 pm
@Blitzbok-197:
You feel good now?
Go watch again how Adi ran good lines in support of JdV. He scored a great try from one such move from memory, rounding the last defender.
T’was during their time as Bok centre pairing that they were both nominated for SA Player of the Year.
JdV won it.
So, go now and go **** yourself, dom kont.
4 Sep 2012, 15:33 pm
@mikeybrass-210: Macintosh is useless, Hore is more renown for his scavenging skills then his scrummaging
I cant help it if you know fckall about anything..
4 Sep 2012, 15:34 pm
@poppa69-213: buddy, relax…you’re the one saying beast and jannie are kak…check the sharks 5 last super rugby and how they won their games…only in your warped mind would they reach the final with 2 kak props f.ucking up the works bwahahahahahaha
4 Sep 2012, 15:34 pm
@poppa69-215: Yet you are willing to live in a land whose forebearers killed off an entire island population, etc etc etc etc etc. Hypocrite. As I have said before, you need conselling, intensive therapy. Run along now, it’s past your bed time and your mommy’s calling.
4 Sep 2012, 15:35 pm
@poppa69-218: Self-reflection and idiocy from the looney tunes hypocrite is so entertaining. Go on, amuse me some more.
4 Sep 2012, 15:36 pm
@poppa69-213: have you tallied up the distances between these cities Poeps? you glibly spout 100 000kms for the saders in SIX MONTHS with byes & home games included…
how much have jannie & beast travelled in 2 months?
4 Sep 2012, 15:36 pm
@Transformation-219: LOL
4 Sep 2012, 15:37 pm
@mikeybrass-210: ja poops calls jannie and beast k u k and refuses to rate ‘tosh and hore.
whattawally.
expect to hear how naughty white saffas are for the rest of the day
4 Sep 2012, 15:40 pm
@Transformation-222: and funnily enough, when the beast came back from injury the sharks started moving up a gear.
its a pointless discussion to have with poopa though, he has granted the crusaders of 2011 mythical status for their travels but will ignore the sharks travels happily.
sillydumbfuck.
4 Sep 2012, 15:41 pm
@poppa69-218: you know nothing.
wake up.
4 Sep 2012, 15:41 pm
@mikeybrass-220: yep, just like your willing to allow 270 innocent people to be accused for government sponsored genocide..
oh wait, you grew up in that culture and probably profited from it..
do you visit the townships and feel good because your parents helped create that? how do you live with yourself knowing so many millions are starving while you and your brethren live off the fat of the land? do you even see the oppressed? do you have to unlock the gates to notice?
@Transformation-222: the distances mean nothing, if they were so dominant they would have got home semis, the fact they didnt disproves your owned everyone theory…
4 Sep 2012, 15:41 pm
you guys are talking about a front row that got owned by the lions
hahahahahahahahaahahahahah
4 Sep 2012, 15:43 pm
@pompies2-214:
:lol
No problem.
Maybe the Argies went onto the field knowing exactly how the Boks would approach the rucks (committing only a few players) and decided beforehand that they will commit as many as possible to counter us.
Watch the Aussies committing up to six players, or even more, at the rucks on Saturday against our 3/4, driving us off the ball or slowing down our ball or forcing our players to hold on and give away a penalty without losing anything in their attacking play.
4 Sep 2012, 15:45 pm
@poppa69-228: ok, you dont rate them.
thanks for your opinion, everyone has one.
but its only an opinion much like my opinion of you.
4 Sep 2012, 15:45 pm
@poppa69-228: Which lions? Gauteng or B&I?
4 Sep 2012, 15:46 pm
anyways, bygones.
have a good day crackers.
poopa you get phucked
4 Sep 2012, 15:46 pm
@rangerman-230: feelings mutual ranger…
so dont sweat it, I hate you as much as you hate me..
but then, I am a “coloured” so you cant help your natural leanings….
4 Sep 2012, 15:46 pm
@rangerman-224: yeah while he lives among the rich whites of Australia whose forefathers killed off an entire island.
4 Sep 2012, 15:47 pm
@mikeybrass-234: an entire island versus 40 million
not too bright are you?
4 Sep 2012, 15:48 pm
@poppa69-233:
i dont hate you poops.
i pity you.
more so for your revulsion at your own skin colour. you have to stop wandering around feeling like its a curse ok?
4 Sep 2012, 15:49 pm
@mikeybrass-234: the fact youve used Australias atrocities against a kiwi really highlights your stupdiity.
lmfao
what a dumbfck..
4 Sep 2012, 15:50 pm
@rangerman-236: I embrace my colour ranger, shame thats all you see though..
but what to expect from one whose been brought up to distinguish by colour, it is indicative of how little SA has changed in the last 30 years..
4 Sep 2012, 15:50 pm
@nama1-229: the argies understood the value of the advantage line and made sure that went in their favor. The Aussies don’t have the bulk, nor the ability to play without a decent amount of possession. I expect them to want to dominate possession and tire the Bok defense. They’d also look and striking off primary phases. Obviously Genia also plays a crucial part in deciding the direction and pace of play.
The Boks will need to start like a house on fire to gain some added belief. They shouldn’t struggle in the primary phases, but don’t expect the Ozzies to wan to scrum too much, so you can expect a high tempo game with few lineouts and scrums.
4 Sep 2012, 15:51 pm
must be those nasty aussies got into poops head about his cullart status.
hectic.
nobody tell him we are all cullarts or he will deflate like an old balloon.
4 Sep 2012, 15:52 pm
@poppa69-238: all i see?
i have never seen you my fragile little cullart flower.
you brought it up as though it was a curse.
shame.
4 Sep 2012, 15:52 pm
@poppa69-227: Most of our police force should be under lock and key themselves. They need heavy reforming.
4 Sep 2012, 15:53 pm
@poppa69-237: You moved there, not me.
4 Sep 2012, 15:55 pm
@rangerman-241: you know Im maori ranger, it is common knowledge here… but continue, only making yourself look the fool… all because I have the opiniojn that beast and jannie are over rated..
you guys arent precious much are you?
when a foreigner has a different opinon to you rown this is what ensues..
so much for SA “hospitality”
@mikeybrass-242: yep, perhaps you should concentrate your scorn on fixing your own countries problems before berating someone who happens to live in a country whose past mirrors your own huh?
talk about glass houses..
4 Sep 2012, 15:55 pm
@pompies2-239: anyways, i must be off for real.
let that hate go poops, it will burn up those around you first.
and be proud of your heritage buddy, who knows who was porking who whilst the lady of the house was having her bath?
4 Sep 2012, 15:55 pm
@poppa69-227: do you know who dale chadwick is poeps? that’s who played prop when beast was injured mate.
what about craig burden and wian herbst?
jannie papsnoek has actually improved (don’t quote me on this, spits! feck the guppys
)
4 Sep 2012, 15:57 pm
@poppa69-228: don’t be stupid, didn’t the crusaders get raped by the rebels? nc nc nc
4 Sep 2012, 15:58 pm
@poppa69-244: a maori?
a real live one?
or part maori?
dont tell me, i dont actually care.
one thing is for sure you are 100% purebred bitterbek.
wake up and keep away from sharp objects i will continue your treatment at a later date
4 Sep 2012, 16:02 pm
@Transformation-246:
again, I think beast is massively over rated and Jannie is useless..
you guys disagree, so be it..
the fact that my opinion gets you all so riled really does do me the greatest honour… to get three or four people so adamant to porve me wrong because i have a different view really does highlight the insecurities you all have..
wonderful..
4 Sep 2012, 16:04 pm
@Transformation-247: dont be stupid, this great front row got owned by the Argentinians
easy to do this isnt it?
the Argentinians OWNED beast and jannie… OWNED them..
4 Sep 2012, 16:07 pm
@poppa69-202: Pooppa you have the biggest chip on your shoulder that you cannot see the wood for the Forrest! You are actually embarassing your native land instead of bringing us around to canonise the mighty crusaders! You are full of it when it comes to insult our country and teams, not having enough class to stop at stooping to using Aids as a means to try and poke fun at our “abhorent” country! Let me remind you however, that those “kuk” props were the ones that put their campaingn at stake in 2011, for those “mighty Crusader forwards” by accepting to play the Crusaders at Twikenham so that the Kiwis could make some money after the Earthquake disaster! Unlike the Crusaders flying direct to London, the Sharks had to fly to Durban and then Twikenham and then unlike the Crusaders going into a bye, we had to play the Stormers after traveling to the Antipodes and back and then again to London, try that for mileage! So the 100 000 kms traveled by those mighty forwards in 2011 is more than the mileage the Sharks had to fly to the final? (have you worked that one out yet?) yes its their fault they last the first few games but if you check team sheets in those games we were missing key players incidentally Beast was one of those players. It was more the game plan that sucked than the players, if you were watching, as soon as Plum changed game plan and Beast, Alberts, Jordaan and Deysel came back we got to the Final. Congrats to the Chiefs they were superior on the day, but maybe we should remind you the figure pasted on the Chiefs by the Bulls at Loftus just to bring some perspective to the “mighty” forwards!
And you are so big mouthed about the problems of this country you fail to see what makes this country great! But I wont waste any more bandwidth on explaining it to someone as blinkered and biased as you!
4 Sep 2012, 16:08 pm
@Sharksgirl-251: youve wasted enough bandwidth with your rant ..
now fck off…
your country is fcked, it has a history of oppression , thems the facts sweety
get used to it!
4 Sep 2012, 16:09 pm
I’m coloured
Don’t all panic.
4 Sep 2012, 16:10 pm
@poppa69-252:
And you.
Stop obssessing.
It’s boring
4 Sep 2012, 16:10 pm
@poppa69-249: this is exactly why this blog is not good for you, you come here for the wrong reasons. you expressed a cynical opinion on our props i replied and alluded to fatigue and you jumped on a hobbyhorse of “travel disadvantage” and the careered of about 100 000kms…
you don’t even see how childish you are because you are consumed by t*t-for-tat “returning serve” s.hit in your heart and mind.
every waking day you come here to rile up the japies like a cuckolded husband…
take it easy and enjoy the blog for rugby…let go of KKK and Whatever
i pray for you Poeps
Kia kaha
4 Sep 2012, 16:13 pm
I’ve never come across anyone so fixated about a foreign country before.
4 Sep 2012, 16:13 pm
@poppa69-252: classy!
4 Sep 2012, 16:14 pm
@poppa69-252:
And is this the way you address everyone who has an opinion.
4 Sep 2012, 16:16 pm
@Dawn-254: This w anker’s been boring for over a year now. If everyone just ignored him, maybe he’d just f uck off…or better yet, down some drain cleaner and do the world a favour
4 Sep 2012, 16:18 pm
@Transformation-255:
The wrong reasons indeed, but not the ones you allude to.
The reasons are to cherry-pick the worst news, opinion and statistics about SA, then slag off all South Africans for being racist pigs.
4 Sep 2012, 16:19 pm
@Atreides-259:
He’s a troll in the Heavens Game mould.
4 Sep 2012, 16:20 pm
I dont get this 24/7 thing though.
When does he work, sleep eat, do things that other normal people do.
4 Sep 2012, 16:20 pm
@Dawn-260: if the shoe fits…
4 Sep 2012, 16:20 pm
@Dawn-261: Yep. Beats me why people find trolling fun…says a lot about how sad your life must be.
4 Sep 2012, 16:20 pm
@poppa69-252: Pops Pops Pops…..why all the hate? If you hate our country why not spend time on an Aussie rugby blog, or a Pom rugby site?
4 Sep 2012, 16:24 pm
@poppa69-263:
I’m coloured.
Don’t panic.
4 Sep 2012, 16:25 pm
@Dawn-266: but youre a racist pig…
4 Sep 2012, 16:26 pm
@poppa69-263:
Seriously … are you a socialist?
Do you need a cause to battle which is lacking in Australia?
We have plenty of those here to get your communist nuts off on.
4 Sep 2012, 16:27 pm
@poppa69-267:
I’m a racist pig!
4 Sep 2012, 16:29 pm
@nama1-217: bwaahahahaha adi missed tackles was nowhere on support and hid in way too many rucks. you stupid fat ***** go get your racist marble eyes cleaned you dooos fagggot wank ****. hahahaha adi was dropped pretty quick you numb-nut even that useless midget d!ck snor could see it hahahaha go *** yourself you ****
4 Sep 2012, 16:34 pm
@Blitzbok-270:
You shut the Fuckup or I will get you banned.
In fact I think I will.
Sick of your kuktalk
4 Sep 2012, 16:38 pm
@poppa69-252:
Nice way to speak to a lady, do you ever think before you type? And yet you mouth off & judge everyone else on here. Would be funny if you weren’t so sad
4 Sep 2012, 16:50 pm
I’m Afraid of Americans
4 Sep 2012, 17:11 pm
I have always said that Frans Steyn is an above average player. Nothing special. He’s never stood out against any of the top unions. I see some are comparing him to SBW. That’s just crazy. He’s not bad but what’s the fuss with regards his “messiah” like status here? When he couldn’t get his way at home he ran away like a spoilt kid who can’t get his way. I hope he’s adjusted his attitude since then. I’d pick him for the Boks as JDV is over the hill but a world beater? I’m still waiting to see that.
4 Sep 2012, 17:14 pm
@KeurboomPark-273: ek weet, when i was in Cape Town recently, they said i must stay clear of USA…
4 Sep 2012, 17:25 pm
@poppa69-235: Hey poopy, Apartheid was one of the worst things humanity has ever invented and perpetuated. But this is about your hypocrisy of criticising anything South African while you moved to and live in a country which killed off the native population of a LARGE island and placed the remainder in “reserves” (which were Homelands in all but name). F*cking loony tunes hypocrite.
4 Sep 2012, 17:27 pm
@Dawn-254: He is still bitter we hosted the most successful rugby, cricket and soccer world cups
4 Sep 2012, 17:28 pm
@Blitzbok-270:
Hey, don’t call me fat.
Vokkin dom kont.
4 Sep 2012, 17:30 pm
@poppa69-267: Charming way to speak to a lady. You’re one helluva mind f*cked-up nasty piece of work.
4 Sep 2012, 17:34 pm
@Transformation-275:
Romney is a Nazi
4 Sep 2012, 17:38 pm
@W.P-274:
You can be very glad that there are no Shark supporters on this thread currently.
They will cull you when they see that you have spoken ill of their hero.
4 Sep 2012, 17:39 pm
@W.P-274: Don’t agree he was like a spoilt child. He looked after himself when he wasn’t treated right. Fair play to him.
4 Sep 2012, 17:40 pm
@KeurboomPark-280: Hope to god he doesn’t win.
4 Sep 2012, 17:43 pm
@nama1-281: Ahem….what am I, chopped liver?
4 Sep 2012, 17:46 pm
@mikeybrass-283:
There will be WW3 if he does
4 Sep 2012, 17:47 pm
You guys need to relax about racial issues…like it or not but these hostile comments that keep on surfacing (on all S.A. sites; not just this one) are detrimental to this country.
Rather focus your energy on predicting a good old hiding for the Aussies.
4 Sep 2012, 17:49 pm
@Marty-286:
Well said. Racist parties will kuk in the next election. Time is on our side. Yes it is.
4 Sep 2012, 17:50 pm
@KeurboomPark-287: What parties aren’t racist?
4 Sep 2012, 17:52 pm
@Skeppie-288:
DA, Cope, UDM are not racist. Nor anti Islam.
4 Sep 2012, 17:54 pm
@Skeppie-284:
Let’s see.
Your last comment before this one was made at 16H20 (p. 265)
This one at 17H43.
An hour and 23 minutes apart. Were you actually taking part in the discussions when W.P. made his comment? NO!!!
I clearly said,” there are no Shark supporters on this thread currently.”
4 Sep 2012, 18:21 pm
@mikeybrass-276: “Hey poopy, Apartheid was one of the worst things humanity has ever invented and perpetuated.”
It was not even the worst thing in South African history. The Concentration camps combined with the scorched earth tactic was far worse and far more influential for a bigger group of people in South Africa (At least percentaqge wise). I do not want to go into it, but people in South Africa compares Apartheid to the holocaust. Have one of these people ever been to a German concentration camp?
I think Apartheid was one of the worst things in the world at the time, but people really need a bit of perspective.
4 Sep 2012, 18:34 pm
@Horings-291:
“The Concentration camps combined with the scorched earth tactic was far worse and far more influential for a bigger group of people in South Africa (At least percentaqge wise). ”
You’ll have to go into it.
4 Sep 2012, 19:02 pm
Paul Jordaan looks set to become the next big thing locally. Been impressed by him. Great turn of pace and tackles well too!
4 Sep 2012, 19:21 pm
Sorry to the folks that replied to my hit and run post earlier, been helluva busy.
As far as some questions go I don’t think there is much wrong with the Boks. This view is supported by WP’s performance this past weekend funnily enough…
WP apparently ‘turning a corner’ was dismissed by Allister in saying their game plan, or game strategy (call it what you will) has not changed from last week (or even last year) to last Saturday.
What was obvious for everyone to see though is 5 tries scored and a snotting against a good Blue Bulls team.
His (Allister’s) reasoning following the game was the fact that the team showed better discipline, and better execution contributed to them achieving a better balance in their game between attack and defense.
Pine Pienaar (Bulls coach) confirmed as much when he said WP beat them at their own (kicking) game on the day.
Personally, I have no doubt Groom was the catalyst for WP (and something I have been on about for about 3 years now on Duvenhage being overrated) and combined with the inexperienced WP tight 5 (average age of 24 with more than a couple still U/21) fronting up physically, this balance Allister talks about was achieved.
As far as the Boks go, I will also maintain the game plan is not the problem, tweaks in selections in crucial positions will help Meyer achieve the balance. What was it he said; ‘Game plans between 80% of teams are the same’.
He (Meyer) is going into his 6th test only this weekend – he does not have the benefit of 3 to 6 months seasons with squads or pre-seasons or anything like that to find the right combo’s.
That said, he gets to choose the cream of the crop so I am not saying he deserves a 2 or 3 year grace period, but hell, he deserves some time to get it right, and once he does, you will see a toffee snotting like WP dished out on the weekend.
I don’t have a problem with Meyer’s game plan, I do believe his selections need some attention though but given time on the job, injuries to crucial playing personnel, pressure of the competition, I am still backing him 100% to get it right, and I believe he will, very soon.
4 Sep 2012, 19:27 pm
@PissAnt-294:
Al that said, my one gripe with SA coaches, they are usually forced into these changes through injuries or call-ups to higher honours.
You won’t see many of them pro-actively go out and make it happen.
And its this issue of change by default not design I wish we can get out of. But we are way too conservative for that.
4 Sep 2012, 19:32 pm
SA coaches are just the most chicken arsed bunch of hopeless goddamn cowards I ever come across.. Not ONE coach in this country is proactive unless you look at Cheetahs, Griekwas and occasionally Sharks
They cower behind this goddamn fear of losing syndrome and are too damn chicken to ever call the right moves..
And top of the heap are the national coaches they are the most cowardly bunch of rear guarded chickens I ever come across…
4 Sep 2012, 19:39 pm
@nama1-292: The “I do not want to go into it” is w.r.t. the apartheid vs holocaust debate, which is not really a debate. W.r.t. the concentration camps. At least 12% of 100,000 African people in concentration camps died, while a quarter of boers that was sent to the concentration camps dies. The 12% is only the documented percentage of deaths and it is also a fact that circumstances was far worse in the “African” concentration camps, so it will not be a surprise if more than a quarter of the 100,000 African inhabitants actually died. These numbers may not seem that much, but population numbers in those years were obviously much less.
If Apartheid leaders were “Hitlers” then the Bafokeng tribe would not have been able to establish itself as the richest tribe in Africa in an independent state created by these evil leaders.
The last point to make is how long did it take for Sharpeville to be copied by a similar event in a supposed democratic country. Was Sharpeville (which is documented as the pinnacle of Apartheid) then as bad to be labeled as “one of the worst things humanity has ever invented and perpetuated.” If it was then the ANC is surely also “one of the worst things humanity has ever invented and perpetuated.” AGAIN: I AM NOT SAYING IT WAS NOT A TERRIBLE PART OF OUR PAST, only some perspective is needed.
4 Sep 2012, 19:40 pm
@PissAnt-294:
PA, i’ve saying this for a while for people to just have more patience with Heyneke. He was only appointed in January. Because of that he had to make a scramble to find suitable assistant coaches – because surprise, surprise – they were already under contract and at an advanced stage of preparations for the Super rugby season. So who did he turn to in desparation – the Bulls of course. Again, no surprise there.
The poor oke is only into his 5th test. He hardly had time to work with the Boks before the end of the Super15 and the first England test.
What he does need though is a quality win on Saturday to relieve the pressure. Because I don’t see it happening in NZ.
4 Sep 2012, 19:45 pm
@I am a stormer-298: Jislaaik, the two of you is giving me hope that there is some support for Heyneke in the Cape. Where is Todd Louden these days. I know the crime in SA did influence his decision to go back to Aus, but Pretoria is a bit different to Cape Town. He can go and live there if crime is an issue for him.
4 Sep 2012, 19:51 pm
@I am a stormer-298: whole bunch of arsewipe excuses.. this dude was supposed to be the MESSIAH this rugby fraternity been waiting for.. all I see is a donkey walking backwards down the slippery slope to nowhere .. very fast indeed.
Clutching at goddamn straws since day one and now he’s clutching more frantically than ever.
4 Sep 2012, 19:54 pm
@I am a stormer-298:
Spot on mate – his hands were even tied on appointing his support team (assistant coaches) given most were tied up in contracts already.
Thing about our national team (and coach) is we seem to put them at a massive disadvantage from the word go.
Structures don’t really support them, timing is always rather **** and then you have clowns calling one of them quotas the day he got appointed!
I really don’t know how anyone in their right mind would actually take that job…
Meyer had two weeks outside of preparing for a test with his squad, and factor injuries into this whole scheme not to mention **** tired players from an absurd Super Rugby schedule and you get some idea of how ridiculous this job is.
I support Meyer 100%, like I did PDV and White. Difference – Meyer has the pedigree to break the sick cycle of Bok coaches in SA Rugby where we might just all give him the tools to do a job properly.
4 Sep 2012, 19:55 pm
@fitz1ella-300:
Skop, provide an alternative then.
If Heyneke had taken over from Jake White – like he was supposed to – Bok rugby might be in an even better space right now.
But alas: could’ve, should’ve, didn’t.
4 Sep 2012, 19:55 pm
@fitz1ella-300: Did you respect him when he was at the Bulls?
4 Sep 2012, 20:01 pm
@PissAnt-301:
I think that he also able to quickly learn from his mistakes by not picking a fetcher like Brussow and then having to fetch one playing in the UK.
His next biggest problem is to sort out 9 and 10 because the combo’s there are just not working at test level. I expect Morne Steyn to start on Sat before Goosen gets 20 hopefully 30 minutes out there.
4 Sep 2012, 20:02 pm
@I am a stormer-304:
Yup, it is not that you make mistakes, it is how fast you learn from them at this level.
Meyer will get it right.
4 Sep 2012, 20:07 pm
@I am a stormer-302: He’s an outright coward clutching at straws he should have gotten Jakes team because that was the team he wanted .. he got F’ALL clue about building a team.. he got ZERO idea about how to build a comprehensive high energy go forward platform.. He been LAMENTING and b’tching and moaning that he didn’t get FdP or Matfield while he goes about stuffing up with DISASTROUS selections from word go…
This dude needs HUGE f’ng cotton wool structures padding him up left right and center.. He should have gotten the WC 2007 team because then he wouldn’t have to do ANY thinking.. right now he is so out of his tree and his league he is panicking for mere survival and he’s only just begun year one..
I can’t see him make it past cut off.. his got a couple measly threads of hope hanging by a ball hair if JdV and couple strong players like Alberts, F. Steyn can save his arse then he might just avoid the guillotine.. somehow I simply can’t see it…
the thing is Pdv should have gotten this team to build and make hay with, not that set in its ways bunch of JW robotic stooges who fck’d his hopes to hell already within year one.. Meyer should have gotten JW’s team and PdV should have gotten this one, cause this dude got ZERO clue about building off a first base bat.. he needs YEARS of structures and slow painstaking trial and error before he gonna get his thinking straight.
4 Sep 2012, 20:16 pm
These Springbok coaches are outright morons.. they got the biggest ego’s under the sun and yet can’t see half an inch beyond their pitifully self aggrandized noses..
JW exactly the same.. he was so far gone if Jones wouldn’t have saved his forlorn fckup of an ego gone belly up he would have imploded under the sheer pressure of it…
PdV no different except he was possibly far more capable to roll with the punches than this dude who is a frantic ball of wound up stress waiting to explode .. they think the goddamn sun itself oozes out of their highfalutin arses and yet back at the coal face they can’t even recognize which player to play WHERE..!!!
4 Sep 2012, 20:27 pm
Any event, I am off folks – another time.
4 Sep 2012, 20:29 pm
Alberts 4
Etsebeth 5
Flo 6
Marcel 7
Duane 8
Henineken 666
4 Sep 2012, 20:31 pm
Meltdown day on Keo
4 Sep 2012, 20:32 pm
@KeurboomPark-309: now that’s a little bit of ‘thinking’ for you.. but don’t hold out any great hopes that Heyneke ever gonna stretch any envelope THAT far off the blinker radar…
4 Sep 2012, 20:33 pm
@KeurboomPark-309:
Hallo Boom,
Hoe gaan dit?
4 Sep 2012, 20:35 pm
@fitz1ella-306:
Go back in history. Mallett inherited Carel du plessis’s team and went on a winning trot.
White used all Straueli’s players and won a tri-nations in his first year and a WC 3 years later.
And Pdiv just inherited the core of Jake’s team and introduced some along the way.
By building a team, you’re able to make it your own. By creating the combo’s that work and it might not always be the provincial combo’s that might click at international level. HM has inherited a team that went through mass retirements, guys off to greener pastures etc. By doing it his way he can instil his own way of doing things.
The guy is going to make mistakes. He said so himself. That doesn’t mean we must throw him under the bus after being in charge for 5 tests.
Have a heart.
4 Sep 2012, 20:35 pm
they kakking their broeks big time up in Tswane.. if this Bok team don’t pull the sack cloth and ashes out the fire on Saturday I somehow dunno if HM gonna have the wherewithal to even get up and look in the mirror Sunday..
He needs a miracle and I betcha he is bidding for one daily… hope somebody up there got ears to hear his plea bargain
4 Sep 2012, 20:40 pm
@fitz1ella-314:
All coaches lose, Deans have been hanging by his ball hairs, to use your term, for the last four years
Carel’s team lost, they fired him just as the team was on the verge of clicking and Mallet(Saint Nick in Cape Town) took over and used the same team to earn his well earned reputation
4 Sep 2012, 20:43 pm
@fitz1ella-314:
> they kakking their broeks big time up in Tswane..
They’ve been kakking their broeks in Brokeback since they’ve won the Conference Cup and the Sharks dumped them out of the S15 till now
Maybe it’s someone else’s turn?
4 Sep 2012, 21:02 pm
I think the disappointing thing for me is that incoming coaches see the performances of their predecessors, the mistakes etc and then come in with more ridiculous ideas.
I mean here is Heyneke – a man well respected as a rugby man with a solid track record – and within weeks start talking about ‘direct rugby’ which he must have seen did not work.
It did not work for Jake, it did not work when VM and FdP forced it unto the team so why will it work now all of a sudden? Why not say that he wants to build on what PdV started? But no, he needs to reinvent the wheel, the need to be a saviour…
Another puzzling thing is that whenever the Bulls had success it was either Heyneke’s vision, foresight or foundation that were singled out as the difference. Guys like Frans Ludeke and Slaptjips must be wondering what they need to do to get this quasi-messiah like status that some seem to enjoy.
The reality was that Habs scored in the 83 rd minute to win the S12 and Frans’ team destroyed the Chiefs here at Loftus. You have to wonder what is the difference. Is it perhaps Heyneke is more outspoken about his desire to the Afrikaner take up his rightful place in SA rugby? What does he say at the braai that is so compelling that resonates so powerfully with these boys?
4 Sep 2012, 21:25 pm
Have not been on here for a few days, but well done to the WP for an excellent performance in thumping the Bulls, atlast they realised you can pass and run with the ball. was good to see.
And glad my team showed some guts to fight back,
And congrats to Kwas for Klapping the lions
4 Sep 2012, 21:26 pm
hahahaha I see the Pooper volcano nearly erupted today! a blow top is imminent! And then he will be forced to take another leave of absence to get his head right…. you can see it happening, he’s getting far too obsessed with SA again, spending all of his time on here, what a c.rap life our little kiwicullartinsydney must have! I will sit back and watch the prick break down AGAIN with some delight!
4 Sep 2012, 21:28 pm
@KeurboomPark-309:
????
That was my selection on Sunday along with another blogger, Daniel, Anton Bressler and Elstadt on the bench
Better even we said, Jacques Cronje at 8, Flo and Coetzee flanks, Albert at 5, Vermeulen, Daniel and Bressler off the bench.
That scenario would be possible only if HM is worried for his job, until then it will be Morne Styen, Potgieter. Bekker, Kirchner, Mvovo, Habana,
The lot
4 Sep 2012, 22:42 pm
@Hondo-320:
Ja, I like Bressler. No nonsense man. Give the Aussies a nice taai klap or two. Jaque Cronje is solid, but I never rated him as a test play. Daniel is dynamin and intelligent. Can change a game. Would bring him on for Duane after 50. Habanero at 13. JdV on the wing. Habs is better put in the thick ovvit.
4 Sep 2012, 23:13 pm
@Sheriff-317: jy like daai vals noot.
4 Sep 2012, 23:14 pm
@fitz1ella-314: Nah. Just the Springbok on the backlash, no miracle needed.
4 Sep 2012, 23:31 pm
@victoriabok-312:
It’s lekker here in Koeberg. Hoe gaan dit met jou, Vik?
4 Sep 2012, 23:32 pm
So the Bok team is to be announced as follows:
15 Kirchner
14 Hougie
13 JDV
12 Frankie
11 Habanero
10 Skop en jag Steyn
9 Pienaar
8 Vermeulen
7 Alberts
6 Coetzee
5 Kruger
4 Estebeth
3 JDP
2 TBC/pending injury news
1 Beast
4 Sep 2012, 23:35 pm
@Humphrey-325: @<a href="#comment-
Wat rook jy, Humpty? Kirchner?
4 Sep 2012, 23:43 pm
@KeurboomPark-326: dont shoot the messenger, that is Meyer’s team for this weekend, the team that has been training this week. Bekker is to be dropped from the 22.
4 Sep 2012, 23:48 pm
Keo why do you guys bring up the English tour? Its like so last year, there’s no point mentioning it any more. All i recall in my distant memory is a poor performance in genral and last week we went lower than that “team of individuals”.
Sweep that dirt thats under the carpet Keo please and into the dust pan and be done with it?
Poor Franscois Steyn, how much more of this crapping Bok rugby he has to indure. With His tallent then infestered in French skill, can only mean he must fall asleep when playing for the Boring, One Dimentional, predictable Bok rugby. He is probably wishing he could change after the WC 2011 to another international team, even Argentina,…. anybody…, because who is more predictable than the Boks.– poor chap!
Because of the size of a backline, we should never fear unleashing the dragon. At times the dragon has destroyed any team on the planet. What the hell is wrong with SA Rugby coaches? When last have we had a real backline coach and a game plan that suports it. Argentine, we all can say they are better than xyz, but one must look at the ranking 8th verse 3rd. There is a huge gap between 3rd and 4th, and 8th jeez, this gap is even bigger. Our backline was non existant against a team ranked 8th. Thats really poor considering our boys are experienced. 7′s rugby, maybe they should all spend time there, It would do them wonders. We need Margret Thatcher in the coaching role, at least she has brains and BALLS !!
Big, Silver, you-betcha, Go-nadies…!
4 Sep 2012, 23:54 pm
@Humphrey-327:
Sorry. I would have played Lambie at 15.
5 Sep 2012, 00:01 am
@KeurboomPark-329: i woulod have played Lambie at 10. Anyone is better than M Steyn.
5 Sep 2012, 00:02 am
@Humphrey-330:
Absolutely. Franky at 15. Lambie at 10.
5 Sep 2012, 01:29 am
Jean to 12 and Steyn to 15. His boot is necessary to keep teams pinneed back in their own half.
5 Sep 2012, 03:53 am
@PissAnt-305: Could not agree more – HM will learn, and get it right.
There is a kind of person that has no issues acknowledging shortcomings, with a massive appetite to constantly learn and get better. As a result humble as hell too. Will always be a success in the long run.
5 Sep 2012, 04:53 am
@poppa69-267: @poppa69-252:
Careful your slip is showing!
Maybe in your household it is fine to talk that way to a woman in the ‘spirit’ of returning serve, but do us all a favour and keep your filthy habits to yourself.
Disgraceful.
5 Sep 2012, 04:57 am
@PissAnt-294:
Very good points PA, end of the day he is still unbeaten as Bok coach albeit not reaching the lofty and unreasonable hights some expected of the Boks.
5 Sep 2012, 05:12 am
Slart Meyer has a huge task Bokke fans rightfully want him to emulate Henry, win 85% of the time and win every trophy big ask in his first year, if he loses a couple this year coupled with the draws already I doubt he’ll get 85% over his 4 year tenure
5 Sep 2012, 05:28 am
@NZINCHINA-336:
Rightfully want but is it realistic? PDivvie had 4 years in which he did a great job in breaking down what was a decent squad to start with and in the process added very little.
Make no mistake, the Springboks do well in spite of all the external factors haunting them, least of all poor coaching. Imagine for one moment the political interference the Boks had to endure over years and the impact it will have on the All Blacks if it happened with them?
We can have a dig at one another, point and laugh but at the end of the day it is never easy for them or the Bok coach.
5 Sep 2012, 05:34 am
Yip tough job being Bokke coach at least in SA 75% of the population supports the round ball in NZ when it goes wrong its a national disaster.
5 Sep 2012, 05:52 am
5 Sep 2012, 06:18 am
Following the same trend again. Now they want to drop Andries Bekker – sure, he was not on par in Mendoza. I’m sure we heard the exact same words for a few more players over a few more weeks than only Mendoza. Keegan Daniel is another example. Why only have a handpicked few players to be protected by pathetic senior management?
To bring in J Kruger is not a bad call, but to keep Flip van der Merwe is only increasing the chances of more yellow cards.
Big ball carriers – just another vision that will fail. Jacques Potgieter is everything except a ball carrier, he hardly ever gaines any advantage and has the lowest “ball steals” during the whole Super 15 (for the time he played) and the test thus far. No ball skill – to dive into a ruck without arms doesn’t warrant a Springbok jersey.
Sad to say, but we just never learn.
5 Sep 2012, 07:02 am
@Blokkies-17: That is a very intersting observation abou why skills are larnt as opposed to reliance on size o penetrate and subdue. Perhaps a move to weight class rugby will be good for SA, and teach them skill sets that they would not otherwise learn?
It would also make mum’s a bit less nervous about their precious laaitie being run over by a 200 pound gorilla with a full beard in standard four…
5 Sep 2012, 07:08 am
poppa doos blowing gaskets again
beeyootiful
5 Sep 2012, 11:22 am
If the Boks cannot catch and pass a ball by now what the hell are they doing on a rugby field never mind in the national team?
HM needs players with brains as well as Brawn on the field but more importantly he needs a captain who can change a game plan when he sees the one they are using in not working.This will only happen if your captain has the brains and courage to actually do that but I am afraid that the capt will not.
Remove the fear of doing something wrong and let them do there thing but also be responsible for their decisions.In the world of the Boks they spend more time on their electronic devices than on planning their way to WIN a game.I would bet that the coaches this week have all been planning for DEFENSE instead of attack.
Just look at the flyhalf and that will tell the Aussies all they need to know about what rugby we will be playing.
What is the point of taking a Lambie and Goosen if you intend to bring them on later to play catch up instead of starting them and attacking the Aussies from the word go?
Wake up Boks Management(Maybe there is no brains amongst them?)
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