Duane set for Perth debut
5 Sep 2012
Duane Vermeulen will start at No 8 when the Springboks tackle the Wallabies this Saturday.
Bok coach Heyneke Meyer has brought two new loose forwards into the match 22 following last week’s poor showing against Argentina. Vermeulen will start at No 8 while Francois Louw will be utilised from the bench. Until recently, Vermeulen was playing for Western Province and Louw for English club Bath.
Vermeulen, who has been one of the most consistent performers in the past three seasons of Super Rugby, will finally get his chance at the highest level. The robust Stormer will add some grunt to a loose trio that suddenly looks very intimidating.
‘We’ve decided to put Duane straight into the starting team because he is a classic No 8, a position we’ve lacked in since Pierre Spies got injured and Ryan Kankowski moved to Japan,’ said Meyer.
‘I’ve always admired the way Duane plays rugby and he’s fitted in very well the past week. He would’ve been a Springbok years ago if it had not been for injuries and it’s great to finally see him selected.
‘And by including Francois on the bench, we have a specialist opensider, but also a versatile loose forward that brings a bit more balance to our back row mix.’
While Marcell Coetzee is not an out-and-out openside he will be expected to outplay Australia’s Michael Hooper at the breakdown. The Boks need to produce an improved collective showing in this area after last week’s shocker in Mendoza. Coetzee will need to step up in what should be a brutally physical first half, and Louw will be asked to play a different kind of game in the second when it is not as tight.
Other changes to the pack see Andries Bekker dropped completely and Juandre Kruger introduced as the starting No 5. Bekker played his worst game for the Boks last week, and Kruger should see this as an opportunity to make the position his own.
‘At lock we’ve decided to go for Juandré as he plays more to the ball. Juandré and Eben played well as a combination in the June Tests against England.’
As expected, Meyer has favoured Ruan Pienaar at No 9 and moved Francois Hougaard from scrumhalf to wing. The backline reshuffle sees Lwazi Mvovo moving to the bench.
It’s another change in selection that should become permanent if things go well in Perth. Meyer has said that it’s a ‘horse-for-courses’ pick, but if the Bok pack fires and Pienaar has a blinder, he must be considered as a long-term solution at No 9.
Of course, if Hougaard, playing on wing, gets the ball on the front foot and produces the rugby we know he can, it will serve as further evidence that he is better suited to a back-three role.
Johan Goosen is another new face in the 22, and will earn his first cap if he gets a run in the second half.
Goosen recently recovered from a serious shoulder injury, an injury that prevented him from making his debut in the Test series against England. He represents the future of South African rugby and through his Super Rugby offerings has shown that he’s ready to make the step up.
The pressure is on Morné Steyn, not only to improve on his inconsistent performances of 2012 and guide South Africa to victory, but also to keep Goosen at arm’s length.
Meyer has already admitted that Goosen is the kind of player he wants in that No 10 position. Apart from having all the necessary kicking skills to be a success under today’s modern laws, Goosen also boasts an impressive attacking game. It’s a complete skill set that could eventually allow the Boks to play a more balanced game.
‘In my mind he can become one of the great flyhalves in world rugby. I’ve been very impressed with his work ethic and attitude since he joined the squad on Thursday in Johannesburg and we will keep on managing him carefully over the next few weeks.’
Springboks – 15 Zane Kirchner, 14 Bryan Habana, 13 Jean de Villiers (c), 12 Frans Steyn, 11 Francois Hougaard, 10 Morné Steyn, 9 Ruan Pienaar, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Marcell Coetzee, 5 Juandre Kruger, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Adriaan Strauss, 1 Beast Mtawarira.
Subs: 16 Tiaan Liebenberg, 17 Pat Cilliers, 18 Flip van der Merwe, 19 Francois Louw, 20 Johan Goosen, 21 Pat Lambie, 22 Lwazi Mvovo.
694 Comments
5 Sep 2012, 06:52 am
Zane, Morne, K@k Dragons!!!
5 Sep 2012, 06:57 am
Should have been:
15 Lambie, 14 Habana, 13 de Villiers (c), 12 FSteyn, 11 Hougaard 10 Goosen, 9 Pienaar, 8 Coetzee, 7 Alberts, 6 Louw, 5 Kruger, 4 Etzebeth, 3 Jdu Plessis, 2 Burden, 1 Mtawarira.
16.Strauss, 17 Cilliers, 18 Bekker, 19 Vermeulen, 20 Vermaak, 21 De Jongh, 22 Mvovo
5 Sep 2012, 07:05 am
Everybody fit, available and on form:
15 Le Roux, 14 JPP, 13 Fourie, 12 FSteyn, 11 Rhule 10 Goosen, 9 Pienaar, 8 Kankowski, 7 Alberts, 6 Brussouw, 5 Bekker, 4 Etzebeth, 3 Jdu Plessis, 2 BduPlessis, 1 Mtawarira.
16.Chillie, 17 Coenie, 18 Kruger, 19 Coetzee, 20 Hougaard, 21 Lambie, 22 De Jongh
5 Sep 2012, 07:07 am
these boks can do it and will do it.
pienaar the only weak link danger.
5 Sep 2012, 07:12 am
@coma-2: If Zane didnt play there would only be 2 players of colour… HM will want to keep the politicians happy…
It seems Bekker wont have such a long Springbok career after all. It seems his days are numbered if he cant even make the match 22!
Good to see Strauss fit… Hopefully Flo gets at least 40min game time!
5 Sep 2012, 07:13 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-4: Kirchner, Habana, Morne, Strauss are all weak, none of them would even make the AUS squad.
5 Sep 2012, 07:17 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-4:
I’m not so sure, nowhere near as confident as you appear to be. The Wallabies are at home, they’re desparate to get it right after k*k results against the All Blacks and they have plenty of creativity and pace, a scrum at least as effective as ours, a lineout that will enjoy parity.
We, on the other hand, have looked pedestrian, devoid of ideas, sluggish and boring as batshite.
Sadly, I suspect we’ll get clobbered – until Meyer finally ditches his mate M.Steyn at flyhalf – after all, he has always been one-dimensional and when that dimension isn’t firing, he has nothing else to offer. The sooner Goosen gets into the game, the better our chances. Not sure of Pienaar at 9 either, we’ve been there, we’ve tried that and he has failed to step up to the
plate, time and again. So why should it be different this time?
What did Einstein say about insanity? Something along the lines of repeating the same things and expecting a different outcome.
5 Sep 2012, 07:20 am
Looks like a decent team. Just Zane need to be sent home and Lambie replaces him. Hopefully we get too see Goosen and Lambie take the field in the second half. Bekker is the most over rated player in South Africa. For a guy who is so big he sould be dominating on the field. But only trys to dominate the side line with bryan.
5 Sep 2012, 07:29 am
@Joe Maher-7:
Pienaar deserves a decent shot this time round. He’s mostly been played out of position during his bok career and has hardly been the first choice SH, second to Januarie and Fdp.
I think this pack can dominate and if they do, clean out better and with better quick ball from Pienaar, Steyn should be good enough and kick the boks to victory. If he misses a few penalties dont be surprised if he gets subbed shortly after.
5 Sep 2012, 07:30 am
@coma-6: Strauss was the inform hooker in the super rugby comp… How can he be a weak link if he’s the next best hooker?
5 Sep 2012, 07:33 am
Hougaard to wing is a regressive backward move. Hougaard should have stayed at 9
Pienaar should be at 10 or on bench. M. Steyn should be out the equation altogether and so should Kirchner
Otherwise far better loose forward selection at least one positive Potgieter is gone that in itself might be enough to swing things around but half backs and full back are all pathetically weak.
If Meyer gets out of jail by rearranging the deck chairs well and good if Aussie klap him stukkend as a result of zero penetration through flat non dimension from 9, 10, 15 then he deserves what’s coming.
He got no scum half on bench so is he looking for a reverse clause if his first gamble don’t pay off?
5 Sep 2012, 07:34 am
Pretty much as expected yeah.
Would’ve thought Juan de Jongh would’ve made the 22 instead of Mvovo though. No real point having a winger on the bench.
@coma-2:
Goosen is good, but let’s not get ahead of ourselves. Last thing he needs is to have all the pressure on his shoulders.
5 Sep 2012, 07:35 am
Poor Huilige Heyneke Die Mense Se Messiah ….
Consistency in selection is sign of clarity and understanding. On the contrary Heyneke looks to be confused as can be
At start of tourny had thought would achieve a 50% win ratio. At this point going forward, at best, could win home test match against Aus
The Meyer’s Men are going to get drilled this week and next (and thats not by the Meyer himself). Giving it to Aus by +10 and NZ +25
Hail The Messiah, Cry The Messiah and eventually Hang The Messiah from a Jacaranda Tree
5 Sep 2012, 07:37 am
Much better team. Hougaard and M.Steyn gets another chance pity Bekker didnt get another chance after his poor showing.
5 Sep 2012, 07:40 am
@Jeez-10: Coma chooses players in his 22 who have never been in the international picture. Who is Rhule and Le Roux? So don’t thin kto hard on his comments, he is known for off the ball selections, not that is inherently bad, just off.
5 Sep 2012, 07:44 am
I suspect Francois will come on after halftime in Duane’s place. Duane will not play a full game this week. Next week expect to see him on for the full 80 minutes.
As for Morne, I believe Heyneke will use the next two away tests as an opportunity to introduce Goossen to the matchday 22. If the guy impresses he will be first choice when the home leg against Aus and NZ take place.
5 Sep 2012, 07:44 am
no use complaining, Team much as selected, Surelly people did’nt expect kirchner and MOrne to get dropped?? those thinking La,bie will get time on the firled are dreaming, i think Goosen will get about 10 to 5 min
5 Sep 2012, 07:44 am
@capetown-13: The current change in selection can only be an improvement. Can’t change playing style over two weeks. You are a bit too negative. If he does loose home games and then suffers defeats in the EOYT then I believe he might be under extreme pressure, our EOYTs are when the politicians want more political selections and where fans want better results. Tough for any coach.
5 Sep 2012, 07:44 am
@coma-6:
neither kirchner or habana in a critical position which will win or lose the game for us.
strauss is not bissy, but he’s not a pussycat either.
morne could lose us the game if he misses kicks.
@Joe Maher-7:
fair enough, i do think the boks are in a must win situation though.
deans look about as devoid of ideas as a coach could be and nothing about the wallabies looked creative in their last game. i’d say they regressed from the game before.
they’re missing a few key players and have players back in the side who are short on form and not sparking. their scrumhalf is woefully out of form and costs them games? beale too would/could lose the game for them at 15. cooper’s going through a pretty ordinary phase?
a new winger, a kak midfielder at 12, a frans steyn type ‘is he a wing is he a fullback is he a centre’ player at 13.
i dont rate the front row and if we’re physical think they’ll fold.
i see your points but i think we’ll take this.
5 Sep 2012, 07:46 am
@patch-8:
my suspicion is fitness.
a lock that tall who doesn’t compete on opposition throw ins..?..
5 Sep 2012, 07:46 am
Albert, Vemeulen and Coetzee too cumbersome combo to my opinion
Louw to open side, Coetzee to the blind side and Albert moves to 5 would have more speed and skills at the breakdown while still enjoy Albert’s work rate and ball carrying, Kruger can cover both positions from the bench.
Morne Styen’s still there, but at least Houggie presents a real weapon from the wing position, MS would have to move to 15, Lambie to 10.
Goosen on the bench is a waste, HM should have JJ Englebrecht there to cover both wing and centre, the Wallabies will have an upgrade back line to contain this time.
5 Sep 2012, 07:48 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-19: I have to agree, this is the best selected bok squad since the start of the international season (obviously having JP at 15, Lambie at 10 and Bussie at 2 would make this a killer team).
If JP/ Bussie were fit:
15 Jp , 14 Habana, 13 de Villiers (c), 12 FSteyn, 11 Hougaard 10 Lambie, 9 Pienaar, 8 Vermeulen, 7 Alberts, 6 Coetzee, 5 Kruger, 4 Etzebeth, 3 Jdu Plessis, 2 Bussie, 1 Beast.
16.Strauss, 17 Cilliers, 18 Bekker, 19 Flouw, 20 Vermaak, 21 De Jongh, 22 Mvovo
5 Sep 2012, 07:49 am
@goodstuff-22: Oops, put Goosen at 20, not Vermaak.
5 Sep 2012, 07:50 am
My take….
Bekker had this coming…J Kruger should never have been dropped in first place…tne Bok jersey means you prepared to bleed , and Bekker was dismal last week…..and not much better the week before, welcome back Juandre!
Pienaar at 9….he better get his defensive game together…..Genia is a snipe artist and will be wanting to test Pienaarrs defensive appetite all day long…and I just hope Pienaar is not going to kick everything in the air and replicate FDP game, the same game plan that has sunk Hougaard who could not be a FDP clone….
Hooper will be licking his young lips at the prospect of going up against a fetcherless Bok team….F Louw should have started to combat Hooper….but we will learn the hard way again….
Mvovo must be pi ssed off….shafted because of a bloody useless 10 that cant get the backline in play and dropped for a 9 …..HM may rue this call….
All in all this is a wounded Bok team, and history shows it is the desperate Bok teams that produce, so I think they may win this 1 despite several shortcomings….
Of course the Aussies may be even more desperate….!
HM has gambled and M Steyn better repay the coach….we lose the next 2 Tests it may just be the home leg becomes the Battle of Meyers Waterloo all over again….the knives will be out big time.
5 Sep 2012, 07:51 am
@Hondo-21: The same JJ who got bossed by Vodacom cup team WP palyers, JJ’s skills and ability has declined at the bulls. Nope, De Jongh is miles ahead of that boy.
5 Sep 2012, 07:52 am
@patch-8:
@Craven-16:
goosen is there more to put psychological pressure on morne than to play a significant role on the field. if he’s lucky he’ll get a few minutes anywhere.
5 Sep 2012, 07:54 am
@coma-6:
so to be clear, i’m saying pienaar is in a position to lose us the game. he’s folded before. morne too if he misses kicks.
5 Sep 2012, 07:55 am
@grant10-24: I agree with you on Kruger and Pienaar, we can keep our ball posetion against Hooper if we only use agro to clear the ruck. The mentality must be that whoever gets close to our ball must be removed with extreme prejudice (legally of course), the fetcher must be so brused after the game from being smashed off the ball that when Flouw comes on it will be no contest.
I beleive if Goosen gets a chance, we will see F Steyn gets some space and whatch that Hougie look for work on the inside pass.
5 Sep 2012, 07:58 am
@goodstuff-22:
hehe
all good but i do not agree with a few of those selections at all.
5 Sep 2012, 07:59 am
I like it. This will be the end of Bryan Habana.
JP will reclaim the 14 jersey.
5 Sep 2012, 08:00 am
Mvovo has done nothing special in a Bok jersey …. 1 quota less which is very good – makes the Bok team stronger… now to get rid of Rasta Zane and we will kill the all blacks!
5 Sep 2012, 08:01 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-20:
Bekker’s scrums and rucks work against the Argies was a travesty.
If you can take another look at the replay of the Argies’ try you might change your opinion about how critical the full back position is, pay some attention to the turnovers resulted from his ‘counter attack’ runs too
5 Sep 2012, 08:02 am
also bekker plays better rugby than what matfield could ever dream of … then after 2 years since his last test, he has a bad game and gets dropped …. HM jy maak kak .. moenie, moenie nou kak maak nie!
5 Sep 2012, 08:08 am
@goodstuff-25:
If you could ensure another v. d. Merwe referee on Saturday at Perth then you may have a point
The Bulls players on Saturday, themselves no strangers to a referee winning it for them situation did very little on the field once the realisation of a fixed match was sinking in
5 Sep 2012, 08:10 am
So the cement sniffer recons we should keep an out of form scrumhalf and then move the other scrummie to play at #10, a position he never did anything of note in or played in for a while now
Good thing he has a construction empire to look after from the drivers seat of his Datsun bakkie…
5 Sep 2012, 08:12 am
@goodstuff-28: I am also very wary of selecting Vermeulen to start….and dont get me wrong, I am a huge Vermeulen fan…but is he really 100% Test match ready?
Aussies are clever, they will have latched onto the no fetcher and Vermeulens lack of game time…..I expect them to try and run from minute 1….stretch us th the fringes and Vermeulen may be 2 or 3 games away from coping with the pace , especially in a wide game…..Hooper will come into his own as we struggle to get out wide …..Flo would have been a good foil with M Coetsee at 8 …..then we would have a technician at the breakdown and a tearaway 8 who could also get to the wide points of contact…..
Marcelle may find himself having to make a lot of tackles as Alberts and Vermeulen will struggle to match the pace of Aussie loose trio….
Boks will need to dominate the 1 st phases to try and reign the Aussies in….
Actually a fascinating match in prospect…
5 Sep 2012, 08:14 am
@Hondo-32:
bekker has been a travesty.
i dont think kirchener is as weak a link as you make out though. he is not flash, cannot step, cannot jink, is not an israel dagg type game winner but he is solid and dependable to do just enough as needed.
he certainly does not pull any kurtley beale knockons, balls to the head, forward pass theatrics.
5 Sep 2012, 08:16 am
Bakkies you said before the 2nd Argy test you thought the Bokke would thump then, are you also predicting a big win here, to be fair Herr Meyer was also pretty devoid of ideas as well and the Bokke regressed from the first test so a 50/50 game then?
5 Sep 2012, 08:17 am
@grant100-33: Just ask Habana, he will tell you Bekker is more of a worry on the wing than in the pack.
5 Sep 2012, 08:18 am
@grant10-36: I do not rate Vermeulen at all , but I am open to be convinced otherwise on Saturday….
5 Sep 2012, 08:20 am
@grant100-33: Best post ever, you will win awards for this.
5 Sep 2012, 08:23 am
Yeah much more balanced looking team I think.
Vermuelen and Alberts in the same team is perhaps a bit cumbersome but it may well mean that we are more clinical at ruck time.
Expect to see Kanko replace Vermuelen next year.
I suspect this is last chance saloon for M Steyn. With Goosen picked on the bench, he is breathing down Mornes neck here.
5 Sep 2012, 08:25 am
@grant10-36:
The forwardsmight reign them in , win the ball or to slow it down but it will be futile as Ruan and Morne will simply hand it back to them with the instructed kicking plan.
5 Sep 2012, 08:27 am
i guess all the talk of HM keeping lambie for 10 was all a load of BS
he hasnt even got a chance and goosen is already ahead of him in line
HEYNEKE OUT- a web of lies and contradictions keep building up
5 Sep 2012, 08:31 am
@Hondo-34: The referee had nothing to do with JJ’s miss tackles on the line, knock-on etc.;)
5 Sep 2012, 08:32 am
@capebull-41: Ahalf fit Vermeulen is still 10 times better than a fit Spies….
But I am not convinced this is the game to start him….I would have given him 30 min off bench…and then considered him to start vs Kiwis where his physicality would be needed …
5 Sep 2012, 08:32 am
@Jeez-10:
strauss is the weakest player in this team, alongside zane
hes a ruck inspector who seeks glory on the wing- the cheetahs allowed him that glory in their system- nothing hard about this kid
-comparing s15 to test rugby is laughable my friend
5 Sep 2012, 08:37 am
hello china, why the one way monologuing? you dont answer my questions? is there no substance to them? if so then just say and dismiss it?
it wont be a big win but a win all the same. boks were bad in 2nd test but the ref was worse.
5 Sep 2012, 08:40 am
Bit better.hope Duane is fit,if so,he can make a huge difference.Kirchner dont inspire confidence ,hes like Gaffie du Toit that cant kick.and our centres are slow.its down to the forwards..
5 Sep 2012, 08:43 am
There is no substance to your claims, this is a better side than the one in Argintina and is good enough to beat a depleted Aus side however it wont be good enough the following week.
5 Sep 2012, 08:45 am
Argentina
5 Sep 2012, 08:45 am
Double standards Meyer, double standards…..
Dropping underperforming players is apparently not an option, as that is apparently selection and not coaching? And you are, according to your own hype, a coach?
But I guess the above statement only counts for Steyn, Kirchner and co? And not Keegan, Mvovo, Bekker etc?
I have no problems with Bekker being dropped, as his form does not warrant selection….but should the same not count for certain other fellows?
5 Sep 2012, 08:49 am
Imagine this back line in a season or two :15 Lambie/Taute 14 Rhule 13 Jordaan 12 Serfontein 11 JP Pietersen 10 Goosen 9 Pienaar/ Van Zyl – bar any injuries this could become a very dominate backline in world rugby for seasons to come .
5 Sep 2012, 08:49 am
Rugby
South African No 8 Duane Vermeulen will make his test debut in Saturday’s Rugby Championship clash with Australia in Perth after being named in the Springbok side on Wednesday.
Under-fire coach Heyneke Meyer has brought in three new players and made two positional changes to the side that were held to a 16-16 draw in Argentina in their last outing.
In addition to the powerful Vermeulen, Meyer has named Ruan Pienaar at scrumhalf, while Juandre Kruger replaces the dropped Andries Bekker at lock.
Pacy back Francois Hougaard goes out to the wing to allow Pienaar to start at halfback, while Willem Alberts moves to flanker to make room for Vermeulen at the back of the scrum.
With Morne Steyn retaining the flyhalf spot and no specialist openside flanker in the starting line-up, there is no indication the Springboks will change their tactics of trying to outmuscle the opposition up front and kick for territory.
Meyer has given himself options on the bench, however, where 20-year-old livewire flyhalf Johan Goosen will be itching to get on to the pitch for his test debut.
Ball-poaching flanker Francois Louw was also named among the replacements having been called up from English club Bath for the tour of Australia and New Zealand.
The Springboks will be looking to end a run of four defeats against Australia, which includes the quarterfinal loss at last year’s World Cup in New Zealand.
TEAM: 15-Zane Kirchner, 14-Bryan Habana, 13-Jean de Villiers, 12-Francois Steyn, 11-Francois Hougaard, 10-Morne Steyn, 9-Ruan Pienaar, 8-Duane Vermeulen, 7-Willem Alberts, 6-Marcell Coetzee, 5-Juandre Kruger, 4-Eben Etzebeth, 3-Jannie du Plessis, 2-Adriaan Strauss, 1-Tendai Mtawarira.
Replacements: 16-Tiaan Liebenberg, 17-Pat Cilliers, 18-Flip van der Merwe, 19-Francois Louw, 20-Johan Goosen, 21-Patrick Lambie, 22-Lwazi Mvovo
5 Sep 2012, 08:51 am
Dont often post here, but generally read all the comments. I shouldnt be surprised with all the flip-flopping on this site, but why does everyone think that Kanko is the answer at 8. In 30-odd tests he has been unable to replicate his Super rugby form. I think he has had enough chances, let him go!
As for Bekker, good player, but think he is carrying an injury
5 Sep 2012, 08:53 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-52: Agreed. Bekker was poor but so was M.Steyn. Shouldnt he also get dropped? Or shouldnt Bekker also get another chance like M.Steyn?
5 Sep 2012, 08:53 am
Not that I can pretend to understand HM’s thinking but it almost looks as if his bench has been picked to cater for failure by his starting 15……? Let’s see if this makes sense….at least in some of the positions…..
If Pienaar bombs – Hougard to 9 and Mvovo onto the L wing
If Kirschner bombs – Lambie to 15
If Morne bombs – Goosen in at 10
Vermeulen is hort of game time so…….Flo comes n at halftime ?
Cilliers to come on at some stage ‘cos Jannie will definitely get tired…..
Liebenberg and Flip (oh my God, he will give away even more penalties !!)_ seem to be genuine “replacement” selections, in case of injury
Seems our bench is selected more for putting out fires we know will start rather than injury cover, or “impact players” as the ABs have……
5 Sep 2012, 08:53 am
@grant10-54:
Para 5 is the haunting one…..
and it will come back to haunt Meyer….
5 Sep 2012, 08:55 am
I hope we have a 20 point lead going into the last quarter so that Goosen can get a taste of test rugga with not much pressure. Wishful thinking I guess.
I like the look of the backline all things considered. When JPP gets back he can slot into the fullback position, Goosen in for Morne and finally JDJ in for JDV, then I reckon we are cooking.
Its pay back time for the World Cup “defeat”.
5 Sep 2012, 08:56 am
No surprise at all after reading SS on Monday, this was obviously going to be the team to start.
Pity Meyer had not given Lambie 15min or better 20min in each of the games. Now if he does need him to come on at fb doubt he will be game fit at all. Though Meyer values training with the squad more it seems. So then he should have been brave and started with Goosen and Lambie especially against the Aussies.
Understand why Flo is on the bench. Very long flight from London to Perth. And not much training with the Boks yet. He will come on though for 20 or 30min. Well think he will.
Bekker was not great at all last week and not that good either the week before. So expected him to get dropped.
5 Sep 2012, 08:57 am
@NZINCHINA-50:
come on china, we both know there is a hint of substance there and if investigated would prove to be the likely case.
race based income inequality is a fact of life in nz society as a whole, you would be a fool to think the brown brothers you tout so much in the ab’s are payed as much overall as their white brothers in the team.
but you dont want to discuss it and that’s fine. forget about it.
agreed on the bok side, they should beat oz but will lose to nz. as much as would like them to win i just dont see it happening.
5 Sep 2012, 08:59 am
How does Flip still make the team? All he does is give away penalties.
5 Sep 2012, 09:02 am
@Jeraldjay-59: JDJ never even made the bench, so doubt Meyer will drop JdV who also is the captain, for a player that does not even make the bench. He is on this tour probably like Burden, just to cover for injury and not much else.
I agree with you though.
5 Sep 2012, 09:04 am
the M Steyn selection is a kick in the face of Lambie and Jantjes….
This guy is causing the Boks all sorts of grief…..very concerning that he seems untouchable after dismal performances since 2010…..
Please Goosen get 100% a sap so we can rid ourselves of this skop en jag 10 miles behind the gain line 1 trick pony….
5 Sep 2012, 09:04 am
I would have thought race based inequality if it were to occur would not be unique to NZ. My preference is for Aus to win this weekend not because I dislike the Bokke but if Aus wins the RC is basically in the bag.
5 Sep 2012, 09:04 am
Pretty good team even though I’d much rather have a proper scavenger in place of Coetzee: Flouw or Brussouw. But… But…
Fuckoff Kirtchner, just fuckoff fuckoff fuckoff HOW MANY SPRINGBOK!!! CAPS IS THIS MAMPARA GOING TO GET
5 Sep 2012, 09:05 am
I don’t understand the coach’s thinking. He doesn’t want to play Lambie at 10 because he hasn’t played there during super 15, yet he plays Hougaard who hasn’t played 14 this year. Double standards indeed.
Although I agree on Bekker being dropped, but then the other under performing players should also have been dropped. This includes Morne and Niknaks man… Why Mvovu who had no opportunity as the ball was kicked away… Why no fetcher again… Is Vermeulen match fit? Man I don’t understand this thinking…
5 Sep 2012, 09:06 am
You can’t play guys into form on the highest level. This was done with Spies and he only got worse. How he is doing the same with Morne… man the mind boggles.
5 Sep 2012, 09:07 am
@Spiesisworthless1-66:
Tourettes this morning…
5 Sep 2012, 09:13 am
Nice to see Heineken drop the kak players, Bekker, Potgieter and Daniels – now he needs to kill that Kirchner and that sub standard Lambie and bring in Coetzee and Le Roux as fullbacks / utility backs – Mvovo is a waste of bench space with these guys around who could give Heineken the option of an extra forward off the wood.
The Goose will replace Steyn it is his destiny.
Then Heineken needs to find a good young 9 that can do it all.
5 Sep 2012, 09:15 am
@Puma-63: GM Pooms, you well??
Yeah team was as expected, now mark my words, Lambie typically in here will be critisized as useless even if he does get 5 min game time yet he has not played for how long?? and truat me he will be lucky to get 5 min game time, which i honestly doubt.
I am also happy for Duane, but he surely is not test rugby fit?? and if he fails?? will a Bekker be done on him???
It becomes more and more clear as if HM is setting up certain players the public cry for,
5 Sep 2012, 09:15 am
Morne just keeps getting chance after chance. For that matter so does Zane.
Well think the reason Jantjies and Lambie never got a chance at fh is because both players would have shown up Morne and then Meyer would have not had a reason to drop them again for the under performing Morne. Also think if he had started either Elton or Pat and they performed great he would not know how to drop them now for his preferred choice in Goosen. That to me is mostly the reason he has not started either Elton or Pat at fh yet. He had been waiting on Goosen. BUT come on, we have two great fhs as well in Elton and Pat and if the others were not playing well or not even there then they should be used instead of Morne. Elton should have replaced Morne in PE, actually should have started the PE test and we would have won that test. Pat should have come on in Mendoza and we may have won that test as well.
Meyer been stubborn not to replace Morne when he is not playing well when he did have two excellent fhs in Elton and Pat at the time cost us. He will replace Morne at some stage in this test as he does want Goosen. But really like I said use the players you got when the ones you want are not there. The mind does boggle with Meyer somtimes.
5 Sep 2012, 09:16 am
Still Morne Steyn!
5 Sep 2012, 09:16 am
if goosen starts and the boks get smashed
we might have another meyer bosman on our hands
just sayin’
5 Sep 2012, 09:18 am
Big game expected from Vermullet.
Let’s se what we been missing.
5 Sep 2012, 09:19 am
i like you when you make a partial effort at honesty, china.
keep it up.
its neither here nor there, was just sayin. you claim saffas treating them less than white ab’s allowed the boks an advantage, i replied that for all their supposed worth to your cause you treat them as 2nd class too.
bad guys all round, but that’s not what its about is it.
anyway, i’m done with it, if you want to add something feel free.
i’m sure you dont dislike us but you sure do enjoy it when we struggle. my preference of course being the boks but it would also make it more exciting from a rugby perspective if the comp went down to the wire.
5 Sep 2012, 09:20 am
Not too bad but would prefer to see Lambie at 15 and Francois Louw starting before Coetzee. Hooper is going to give them a hard time at the breakdowns. Although not in the squad, I’d prefer Jantjies at 10 instead of Morne. Hoping for an SA win but can’t see it happening if they kick the ball away. Good luck guys…
5 Sep 2012, 09:20 am
Elton Jantjies only has “blinders” against k@k opposition – e.g. WP “B”, etc … he had a poor Super 15 and he was k@k against Griquas – let him go work at Woolies …. #f*ckquotas!
5 Sep 2012, 09:21 am
I am far more pleased with this 22/
By and large, Meyer has made the right calls.
Vermeulen will come off in the second half for Louw.
Vermeulen is actually also very good at stealing ball, so he will help Coetzee in this regard.
Hooper must not be underestimated.
I wonder though whether Adriaan Strauss will ultimately run on to the field on Saturday.
If he’s carrying an injury it is quite a risk – just look at Bekker.
Also, not so sure about including Goosen at this point.
He’s only had one CC game since returning from injury.
Vermeulen’s had two and is a lot more experienced.
What does Goosen’s inclusion mean for Lambie?
I am worried that Lambie is becoming to Meyer what Russell, Pienaar and Steyn were for White, PDV.
Is Lambie supposed to cover centre and fullback for this match?
There is no recognisable centre cover on the bench, which is why I would’ve gone for De Jongh ahead of Goosen for this match – especially against the Wallabies.
If Pienaar and Hougaard play well and Meyer starts looking at Hougaard more as a wing who can cover 9, what does this mean for Habana (and by extension Basson and Mvovo)?
Will Hougaard be on the bench most games as cover for 9 and 11, or will he start more often than not moving forward?
Interesting times…
5 Sep 2012, 09:21 am
@sharks_lover-71: Howzit bro,
Jeez I feel for Lambie. Just sitting on the bench for two full games. Crazy really. He should have come on for 15 or 20min in each game. Now if he does come on at fb and has a bad game people will probably say we told you so. Well he is a superb player and we know it. Now with no game time no-one should judge him. He has only had 40min game time since he got injured against England. The mind boggles with Meyer really.
Never saw the Province game where Vermeulen played. Everyone said he was not ready and so did AC. But it seems that Meyer values training with the squad. So let us see. At least Potgieter is not there.
Bekker was very poor in the last game so expected him to get dropped.
5 Sep 2012, 09:22 am
Oh, and Grant 10
It’s good to see you posting more regularly again.
I’ve often disagreed with your views, but your passion for the game has never been in doubt.
And variety is the spice of life.
So – welcome back!
5 Sep 2012, 09:22 am
I wonder what happens to Duane and Goosen when it becomes clear that their provincial coaches were 100% correct in saying that both should still be playing in the Currie Cup and taking contact there, before hitting the Bok battlefields?
Will they become part of the elite who will be “coached” into form by the Shaman Heyneke? Or will they too be drop kicked into obscurity with the other Meyer rejects (the list of which is growing at a helluva rate….)
Can’t believe there are those who still believe this hypocrite’s talk….
5 Sep 2012, 09:23 am
@Puma-72: The Boks were awesome the only time Lambie started at fullback against England in the 2nd test. They had their best game by far and Lambie had a great game linking with backs and forwards. Every time Kirtchner gets a cap is another slap in the face for Bok fans.
Agreed about Elton- should definetely have replaced Steyn in PE and Meyer came out looking rather stupid after that fiasco. Anyway, I’m convinced Goosen will take over from Steyn and happy to see him given the earliest opportunity. Jantjies also a classy operator that should offer valuable competetion for the position.
5 Sep 2012, 09:25 am
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by Tony Johnson 04/09/2012, 10:11
There pressure valves will be straining when the Wallabies host the Springboks in Perth this weekend.
If the Boks win, they will still be well in the hunt for the Rugby Championship ahead of their clash with the All Blacks in Dunedin (where they won their last time out), and with their last two games to be played at home in South Africa.
But should they suffer a loss, they’ll be anything between five and seven points behind New Zealand (should the ABs beat Argentina, that is) and will be under far more pressure to win in New Zealand.
If the Wallabies lose then it’s curtains as far as their already slim Rugby Championship hopes are concerned, and possibly for their coach Robbie Deans as well.
They are feeling the heat after two losses to the All Blacks, and missing their best two forwards in James Horwill and David Pocock.
In the Bledisloe Cup tests, they struggled to hold their own at the set piece, got completely dusted at the breakdown, and appeared to have lost all sense of structure, purpose,and most gallingly their trademark flair on attack.
The choice of venue won’t harm the Springboks’ chances, with a huge number of expat Saffas and Kiwis living in Western Australia, and it’s a more gentle six-hour time shift and four hours less flying time to Perth than Sydney.
South Africa have won three tests to two in Perth with one drawn.
But all that is not enough to guarantee a Springbok win, and the next two weeks will be a massive test for the Boks and their new coach Heyneke Meyer.
I will be fascinated to see whether he is prepared to make changes, or just try and get a better performance out of the side that played the first two games.
I’m not suggesting a raft of alterations, but they need to be more competitive at the breakdown, and while Heinrich Brussow would be the ideal man to do this if fit, the task could fall on Francois Louw.
But the biggest call to me is at 10, where he has three options. He can stick with Morne Steyn and hope he kicks his goals and plays his traditional role a bit better, he can rush the prodigiously talented but inexperienced Johan Goosen into action, which would be a massive risk after his layoff, or he could split the difference and pick Pat Lambie, who is a reliable goal-kicker, will defend his channel, and is more willing to play close to the advantage line on attack than Steyn.
Lambie’s ability to find a supporting runner either side of him would also be useful – a good plan of attack at the moment against the Wallabies would be to send as much traffic as possible down Cooper Street, where the incumbent has a tendency to be a bit gun-shy.
The Wallabies have a good record against the Boks in the past few years, but know if they can’t come up with the goods then the wolves will be howling.
You would expect them to be well fired-up, but you have to wonder what state they are in.
They don’t look very fit, and we are hearing increasing murmurings about players at one Wallaby-laden Super Rugby franchise dictating to the coach how much training they do, rather than the other way round. That’s an extraordinary scenario, and one that suggests a level of player power that is not commensurate with their performance.
On the subject of fitness, I don’t think I’ve ever seen an All Black team as fit and well-conditioned as the current one.
This is something that has been a few years in the making.
Their controversial “rest, reconditioning and rotation” policy was thrown back in their faces after the 2007 Rugby World Cup, but rather than drop it altogether, the lucky-to-survive management/coaching staff made subtle changes that would both appease the public and satisfy their aim of keeping the team as fit, fast and healthy as possible.
They successfully worked with New Zealand’s Super Rugby coaches last year to ensure players didn’t get overworked in the lead-up to the World Cup, and many were allowed extra downtime over the 2011/12 off-season.
But under their ace trainer Nick Gill they have been on a programme that has steadily increased their fitness, strength and speed, and this is seen as a factor in the All Blacks having fewer injuries than their opponents right now.
They have won their first two games without being particularly ruthless at finishing off their chances, something they are going to have to start doing with the Pumas and Springboks to play over the coming two weeks.
No-one here in NZ will be taking the Pumas lightly after their effort against the Boks two weeks ago, especially with their best openside flanker Juan Manuel Leguizamon and their world-class fly half Juan Martin Hernandez back in action after missing the Mendoza test.
It’s shaping up as a big weekend
5 Sep 2012, 09:26 am
What about tryin’ Lambie to start at 10?
5 Sep 2012, 09:27 am
It never fails to astound me how most of the planet agrees on the omission of M Steyn and the need for a fetcher….all except the main man who makes the decision….
5 Sep 2012, 09:27 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-82:
Meyers way of setting people up for failure. He chose an unfit Bekker and now does the same with Vermeulen and Goosen. He wants Spies and Steyn in the team… Hmmm makes one think…
Can you imagine the haters if this team fails. They will blame only certain players again…
5 Sep 2012, 09:28 am
@gunther-75: Hell Gunther, even his coach has said he isn’t test rugby fit. Now tell me how this is fair?
What I will tell you, is that even if Duane only has 40 minutes in him, those 40 minutes will be more physical than 300000000000000000000000000000000 minutes from Spies.
A 20% physically match fit Duane, with a 100% match fit heart and mind is already better than Spies.
I just hope Duane is given 50 Bok test match starts to prove himself
It’s only fair…..
PS: please read the Sports Illustrated. Quite a lot about Spies in it, and how Meyer refused to comment, apparently because he doesn’t like talking about individuals……(Yet, he seems to have no problem talking about any other player and their deficiencies)
5 Sep 2012, 09:29 am
give Morne a chance … for the first time im 2012 he has a different nr9. Hougaard is far to slow – he is a wonderkind wing — this team looks decent – except for that strange looking zane
5 Sep 2012, 09:29 am
Saturday will be the answer to the fetching debate.
If Cooper has a blinder we will loose. If we clean the rucks effectively and managed to recycle balls quickly we will win.
I was massive Brussouw fan when he came on the scene but through consistent injuries (timing of the ¼ final injury was a disaster) and the change in laws at the breakdown I have slowly swayed toward a robust ball carrying opensider that has fetching abilities but this is a secondary function.
Being a specialist fetcher you need to understand the laws like the back of your hand and on top of that, the breakdown as we all know has always been up to the refs own interpretation, so as a player you will not take that risk when you are in your own half.
All will be revealed in Perth.
5 Sep 2012, 09:31 am
If you say so ruckles if you say so.
I’m looking forward to it.
5 Sep 2012, 09:34 am
F Steyn
JPP
JDV
JDJ
Hougaard
Goosen
Pienaar
Vermeulen
Burger
Brussouw
Bekker
Eben
Beast
Bismark
Jannie
This team will beat the all blacks 6 love!
5 Sep 2012, 09:34 am
@Spiesisworthless1-83: I know. I just typed a post now about it then just deleted it.
That is what I had said. The only time Meyer brought on Lambie was when Zane got injured. Had Zane not got injured I doubt Meyer would have even given Lambie game time then. Then Zane gets injured Lambie comes on and has a blinder with Ruan and the whole game changed once Lambie and Ruan came on. That was Boks best perforance against England and then the 2nd test in the first half again, when we had Lambie playing at fb. Just a damn pity he got injured in the England test.
Meyer should have been brave here and started with Lambie and Goosen. Seeing he does not care if the player is game fit or not. It seems as he has said it is training with the squad what he values. So why not start the better players then? Well he should start with Lambie has played tests before. I suppose Goosen should be brought in the last 25min or so being his first test. Probably not a good idea to start him, though Morne playing so terrible I would just play Goosen and have Morne on the bench.
5 Sep 2012, 09:35 am
Well done HM. Another monumental selection ****-up. This side smacks of desperation and is ill considered.
Hougaard needs some bench time, like Bekker does. Mvovo did absolutely nothing get be shafted to the bench. Morne gets another chance, unlike Bekker and Mvovo. Kirchner again acts as a safety net. The bench is limits the ability to change the game. I’d have Bekker in place of vd Merwe and use Kruger as the lock\flank player. Either one of Alberts or Vermeulen runs out of puff, Kruger goes to 7 or 6 and Bekker to 5. Immediate improvement in the lineouts on both your own and opposition ball. The Ozzies won’t be able to compete with a back of the lineout throw-in and the wouldn’t try to throw there themselves if Kruger is there.
G’luck HM. I’m not convinced.
5 Sep 2012, 09:35 am
@Puma-93: typo – performance
5 Sep 2012, 09:38 am
@grant100-89: ANOTHER chance? This is junior school mickey mouse games where everyone gets a chance and the results don’t matter. Shape up or ship out. How would you like it if I said to you to give the ANC another chance when they haven’t performed?
5 Sep 2012, 09:38 am
Changes has been made and still we unhappy… The home games will differ a plenty I think… Basson is 1 week away and brussow is 2 weeks away… Chilly only casualty(4weeks)… I think we will see something like
15-lambie
14-basson
13-de villiers
12-steyn
11-habana
10-steyn
9-hougaard
8-vermeulen
7-alberts
6-brussow
5-kruger
4-etzebeth
3-du plessis
2-strauss
1-mtawarira
16-liebenberg 17-cilliers 18-vd merwe 19-louw
20-pienaar 21-goosen 22-engelbrecht
5 Sep 2012, 09:39 am
@pompies2-96: * isn’t
5 Sep 2012, 09:40 am
Cooper won’t have a blinder he’s awful at test level, no targeting is required he chokes on his own.
5 Sep 2012, 09:41 am
@Gumboots-87: Oh yes. I am already expecting a huge outpouring of anti-Duane garbage if Morne fucksup again
When we lose, I expect Duane and JDV to carry 98% of the blame…..fact.
5 Sep 2012, 09:42 am
@xtremebull-97: Silly argument. Neither Basson or Brussouw will be the difference between winning and losing with the current deficiencies.
Basson = kick and chase.
Brussouw thrives on possession based rugby. Does not have the same impact when the ball kick kicked to a pulp.
5 Sep 2012, 09:44 am
@Jeraldjay-90: nothing will be revealed in Pert Sir…..
Nothing.
We have a half fit 8 man
and a fetcher on the bench.
wait for home leg ….Brussow is playing this Sat…..
wait till he plays at openside then decide….
what the hell is going to be shown this Sat? We dony have an openside playing…..
But watch Hooper and learn….
5 Sep 2012, 09:45 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-100:
No doubt…
5 Sep 2012, 09:46 am
If Jean de Villiers played for Province on Saturday past, it would have been a close game. Need to get rid of the slow hands in the backline.
Hougaard – done
Now for MSteyn and De Villiers
5 Sep 2012, 09:46 am
So relieved useless Bekker is dropped! Now all we need is for Goosen to be introduced slowly through the next 2 tests and Lambie to finally get his chance at 15!
5 Sep 2012, 09:47 am
@Jeraldjay-90: and to further enhance your education I suggest you go watch the Sharks versus Cheetahs first half superrugby game, and while you at it go watch the Stormers Cheetahs game in Bloem…..
watch the small popeye cane the sharks and stormers into submission at the breakdown…..
Bloody hell
5 Sep 2012, 09:47 am
Also funny how Habana is on nobody’s radar – is it because the other blokes just play k@kker atm? Another hasbeen.
5 Sep 2012, 09:48 am
@grant10-106: I agree with you on Brussow , will have to wait and see on Vermeulen
5 Sep 2012, 09:50 am
Confident Kruger will really step up and take the 5 jersey for himself. We will see more ball protection and attacking at the rucks with him as his work rate is far higher than Bekker’s, and I think its because he wants the green and gold more than the old broken grandpa. Lets hope the hooker dilema doesn’t screw up our fixed play
5 Sep 2012, 09:52 am
coma, so all of the sudden WP is a team who plays running rugby? After 1 game? really? What happened in the other games? – against the Lions & Griquas? this was a once off – i can promise you that! I support WP, but Coetzee is a coach in the J White mould …. win by playing ugly rugby – just win! JDV has nothing to do with it. JDJ also a big culprit – the last time me passed the ball was when he had a shower with habana …
5 Sep 2012, 09:53 am
@Gumboots-103: I can see Shaman Meyer’s master plan though…..
Spies is apparently a few weeks away from fitness (so I suppose the marshmallow might be available for selection in one of our home games)
By setting a 60% match fit Duane up to fail on the away leg, it allows him the opportunity to suck Spies back into the setup.
Meyer is Spies obsessed mate. This is what Meyer said about Spies back in the day, “the best player I have ever coached. Could become the best loose forward the world has ever seen”. “He’s a supreme athlete, unlike any I have ever seen before…” etc etc etc etc.
Frankenstein’s (Meyer’s) monster will be back…regardless of how kak he is.
5 Sep 2012, 09:54 am
@capebull-108: Vermeulen is, at best, good for 30 minutes, from what I have seen….
This is a high risk gamble by Meyer….Vermeulen is a big unit and takes time to get 100% match fit….
when all are fit and ready Vermeulen at 8 is a shoo in …class act….should have been a Bok 2 years ago already…
5 Sep 2012, 09:55 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-111:
Are they having an affair?
5 Sep 2012, 09:55 am
Why is useless Morne Steyn and uselss Kircher still there, boring blue bulls style rugby again on Saturday, its going to be a hammering again against the convicts, kick, kick, kick, the wallabies will run the ball, and morne steyn will look like a chump again. Springboks are so predictble, Ricardo Loubscher useless backline coach, Zane Kircher, boring, yawn yawn yawn.
Wallabies by 12 easily.
Here is the blueprint to beat the springboks, my granny could even figure this out.
Slow down the springboks ball, run the 10 channel at Morne Steyn and quick ball to the wings, no rocket science here.
5 Sep 2012, 09:56 am
home leg will be a more true version of Bok rugby imo…..
Brussow
A fitter Vermeulen
Goosen….
Coenie perhaps….?
then we cooking with gas…
5 Sep 2012, 09:56 am
@grant10-106: 100% Correct. Before Brussow went off injured in Durban, he was wrecking the Sharks train single handedly. Plumtree had to bring on his big boys damn quickly to stop the rot…..
It was embarassing.
5 Sep 2012, 09:58 am
@grant10-106:
Grant what I’m saying is, (1). we are not starting with a fetcher and they are.
(2). A fetcher is only as good as how his opponents cleans the rucks.
If Hooper is able to dominate, has a blinder and the Wallabies win then you have a valid point regarding fetchers but if we are able to counter this with effective ruck clearances and win the game then HM’s theory makes a little sense.
5 Sep 2012, 09:59 am
@Dawn-113: Oh I think it is more than an affair. Soulmate shy te going down…in a bed of roses and a bath of champagne. Soft porn for a soft player
5 Sep 2012, 10:00 am
Who cares if we lose a game? As long as we are playing good rugby with a young team that will grow. The World Cup is four bloody years away. Look how successfull Mallet was with Carel Dups young team. Went on a 17 game unbeaten run after a handfull of dissapointments. Be bold heyneke, see the big picture.
Lambie, Goosen, Willie le Rouz, Rhule, Coetzee, Jantjies, Jordaan, Serfontein is the future.
All the skill has been coached out of players like MSteyn, De Villiers and Habana. I can pick 7 players that will be better than Kirchner at 15 ffs!!
5 Sep 2012, 10:00 am
Brussow, Louw, Kolisi, Burger, Alberts, Smith, Vermeulen, Kankowski, Coetzee
These should be the frontline guys as test level.
All, when fit, could do an impressive job.
5 Sep 2012, 10:00 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-111: you are right, he says that Duane is a classic 8 just like Spies – hell man Spies be kak.
5 Sep 2012, 10:01 am
Dawn — dont go shop @ woolies – boikot them
5 Sep 2012, 10:02 am
@coma-119:
Cheetahs backline looks scintillating for next year’s S15.
Van Zyl, Goosen, Ruhle, Ebershon, Sadie, Smit, Le Roux
Naka needs to get some decent lock depth (hello Franco Van Der Merwe) and perhaps we shall see more of a winning Cheetahs side?
5 Sep 2012, 10:04 am
Dont expect too much different from the Boks this weekend.
There will be plenty of box kicking by Pienaar to alleviate some of the pressure on M Steyn.
Meaning Pienaar wont be allowed to play his natural game. And M streyn might come out of this game without having really done anything. Which is a vast improvement from last week.
Picking Vermuelen and Alberts in the same side is also only sending one message. And that message wont be to use width.
Ausies to move the ball around and have a match unfit Vermuelen puffing in 20 minutes. Not his fault mind you.
Very dangerous Ausie backline as well.
Boks could be in for a long evening Down Under.
5 Sep 2012, 10:04 am
@coma-119:
I care if we lose! I care if we lose any game!
Since when have we become losers? Sport is about winning – since when do we have time?
Loser…
5 Sep 2012, 10:05 am
@grant100-122: You silly little man. Woolworths could employ only morbidly obese Bulls fans with mild retardation – and many of us would still shop there. Their food really is that good…..
5 Sep 2012, 10:06 am
I think at the eoyt we will be well balanced and much stronger imo… I just want to see a running style of approach at the eoyt… Why can’t we ever implement 1? We have the players but we don’t have the game plan for it… We are hiding the attacking style that our players poses… We have quick props in the mold of coenie oosthuizen and beast… Mobile hookers in chilli and burden and fourie for that matter… Locks is athletes too… Kruger and etzebeth played loose forward earlier… We have mobile forwards it endless to name them all…. I don’t wanna go to the backline coz it makes me sick to know this things but because of the stubborness of heineke meyer we will always be remembered as the kick and chase uop and unmder muppets!!! So much for a new era… Rather a back to the past era
5 Sep 2012, 10:06 am
@xtremebull-97: I can assure you Morne will not be starting when we get back home. It will be Goosen and I hope Lambie at fb. Basson is great under the high ball has good speed but his defence is not great.
Think they said it took 8 weeks after JPP’s op for him to be back playing. By the time we get to play at Loftus it will have been 8 weeks. JPP could be back for that test.
5 Sep 2012, 10:08 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-116: that first half showed the guld between the so called Hybrid 6 [ arcelle Coetsee ] and the true out and out fetcher flank [ Brussow].
similarly in the Bloem game Brussow embaressed the Stormers, hammering us the breakdown and once again showing the hybrid Kolisi what a true class opensider is capable of…..
We have no idea what a gem in Brussow we actually have….
4 starts versus All Blacks….4 wins…
yet we drop him from a 40 man squad???
Absolutely insane and plain bloody criminal…..
I try my best to give Herr Himmler Heyneke the benefit of the doubt, but that shocked me to the core…..
as does the persistent selection of a clearly out of sorts M Steyn…..
How this M Steyn attained Sainthood status heaven alone knows…
5 Sep 2012, 10:08 am
@maximus1-114: Jantjies and Lambie are just hobbits
this man has given morne steyn numerous chances, lambie is benched because apparently his tactical kicking is not good enough, yet morne can bumble along without being dropped because apparently he is a warrior 
Morne is a Warrior
His 50% tally in PE continues a worrying trend of missed goal-kicks. The Bulls pivot landed only five out of eight in Johannesburg last week, while he had a satisfactory four-of-six return in the first Test in Durban. He was a sharpshooter in most of his previous 36 Tests and is arguably only picked ahead of Patrick Lambie at No 10 for his superior goal-kicking.
But Meyer is still backing his man. “Listen, Morné is a warrior. He knows he is not playing … Although I thought during the previous two games, he played really well,” the Bok mentor said after the match. “It’s just his kicking that is not there, and he has high standards. I know Morné, and worked with him for quite some time, and he has standards and will be back stronger. He’s now got three games at Super Rugby level to get it right.
“He knows we need him in the Rugby Championship. I have full confidence in him, and it’s not a question about him not working hard. He really works hard. He is just not striking the ball the way he is used to.”
Meyer admitted that he did think of relieving Steyn of the goal-kicking duties with replacement scrumhalf Ruan Pienaar. “I thought about that, when Ruan came on. But I don’t think that would’ve made a difference,” he said. “We didn’t play well. It was always going to be a 50-50 game once it started raining, and like I said, we didn’t adapt well to the conditions. Obviously goal-kicking is much more difficult in these conditions, but it is the same for both sides.”
Lions No 10 Elton Jantjies was in line to make his Test debut off the bench, and his game-breaking abilities and sound tactical and goal-kicking boot could’ve made a difference to the Bok effort in the second half. But Meyer felt that he didn’t want to throw the youngster into such a pressure situation.
“I thought that this was always going to be a 50-50 game right from the start, and at one stage, we already decided that Ruan would take over the kicking. We were so thin on experience in the forwards – with four of the guys having played two Test matches – so getting another youngster on at that stage under huge pressure …
“I wanted to keep Morné on the field, because I didn’t think that he played badly. It was just his tactical kicking that wasn’t good enough.”
5 Sep 2012, 10:09 am
The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food …. ABSA & SAA said the same …. and look at the drop in their earnings in the last year or so …. but higher drop than other companies in the same sector. Woolies made a big mistake ….
5 Sep 2012, 10:12 am
@Jeraldjay-117:
No my friend….whether we win or lose has no bearing on ewhether or not we need a fetcher…..
we do…simple!
and we have 1 of the best playing 40 min this weekend…..
Brussow is an absolute must….if not, F Louw must start…..for me its that simple….or are we right and the Aussies and Kiwis wrong?
Aussies beaten us 6 times in last 7 games…..
Kiwis beat us 2 out of 3…
its because we are domkrag en skop en jag befok…..
I dont believe for a minute we cant match these teams…we just too damn conservative and scared to even try….
5 Sep 2012, 10:13 am
Grant, watch Flo come on in the second half and Duane come off. There is a plan. We need effective rucking and ball protection which has been our main problem, and hopefully Juandre will add that grunt.
5 Sep 2012, 10:14 am
@puff-120: as long as you always start with a true opensider…
5 Sep 2012, 10:14 am
@grant10-132: What the ABs do so effectively is counter-ruck. We need to do it consistently. That by itself will make a huge difference.
5 Sep 2012, 10:17 am
Bekker gone out of the 22, HM persists with Flip (blue bull) who gave away a penalty shortly after coming on vs Arg; on the bench is a specialist wing & f/h (where’s the flexibility?); Lambie is still fighting for any type of game time; what were the reasons for benching mvovo (he was error free vs Arg); why the extraordinary faith in hougaard & M Steyn? to the extent that hougaard is meyer’s most valuable player (he always plays 80 mins whether as a 9 or substitute wing & now a starting wing)
5 Sep 2012, 10:20 am
@grant10-106: Brussow was effective against Sharks until Bissie and Alberts came on. Remember those players came on about the 32min mark. That last 8min Brussow never had it his own way. Then of course he was off for the 2nd half.
Where we could judge how effective Brussow was, was when the Sharks played them in Bloem the week before we played Stormers at the tank. Brussow never made a difference there Grant. Not with Bissie there.
Now here I agree with you. When Bissie went off injured in Cape Town then following week and Mendoza we should have had a fetcher there. We don’t have Bissie so yes, we do need Flo. You have to remember Flo flew into Perth only on Monday night. Very long flight from London and will be a bit jet lagged and not enough training with the squad. Probably best to have him come from the bench which he will do.
5 Sep 2012, 10:21 am
It is no use starting with a fetcher, hell we can even start with 2 fetchers, but it all comes to nought if the tactic is having Ruan playing a FDUP role and having Morne doing what Morne does, whats the point ?, unless the GAMEPLAN is changed, the personnel matter little. Change the gameplan and pick players accordingly then this argument of fetchers vs non fetchers has some relevance.
5 Sep 2012, 10:21 am
Mikey counter ruck and get it wide quickly , most teams defences aren’t quick enough to regroup and defend, unfortunately against Aus our finishing from those types of plays lets us down,te S
5 Sep 2012, 10:23 am
This is still probably the best 22 available, barring injury. Kudos for HM to creating consistency in selections.
The biggest problem right now is playing style and M Steyn, however HM has got alternatives on the bench and at the back of his mind he is already resided to the fact that he may have to resort to the next plan!!
People keep banging on about dropping M Steyn , well HM has got the next plan already in the match 22. Sooner or later M Steyn will be pulled off during a game and the next 10 will be brought on.
This 22 contains the countries best available 22 barring the injured and overseas players not available for selection!!
5 Sep 2012, 10:24 am
@mikeybrass-133: hi Mikey…
I am glad Juandre is back….should never have been dropped in the first place….great prospect…1 of my favorite Boks…
Why Louw for Vermeulen though? I know he has played the odd game there, but it would be a waste….
Rather move Marcelle to 8 and Louw to openside…..
The true opensiders of the world are rare assets….Warburton, Pocock, Mc Caw, Hooper, Gill, Louw, Brussow, to name a few…..
Brussow single handedly destroyed both Sharks and Stormers at breakdown…..this in an inferior pack ….showing the hybrids Kolisi and M Coetsee who is who in the zoo…..
Brussow in a bok pack is a must….I have always said that he and Bissy in tandem will terrorise the Kiwis ……
sadly Meyer wants the hybrids…..why the fark heaven alone knows…..and it may end up being a watershed call by Herr Himmler….because if it backfires he may end up coaching Tukkies again next year…
5 Sep 2012, 10:26 am
Mikey counter ruck and get it wide quickly , most teams defences aren’t quick enough to regroup and defend, unfortunately against Aus our finishing from those types of plays lets us down,Steyn doesnt have the required vision to play that type of game.
5 Sep 2012, 10:27 am
@grant10-129: I don’t feel let down or disappointed with any of Meyer’s fuckupsoffuckups thus far. Purely because I expected it from the minute he was announced as Bok coach.
I was happy to give him some sort of benefit of the doubt until he announced his 1st squad……
Sadly, what I have seen since has pretty much been as predicted (although in my most horrific nightmares I couldn’t have dreamed up some of the sh y te he has been pulling; and saying…)
No, even if we beat the Wallabies, lose admirably to the AB’s and manage one win at home in the return matches, I have seen and heard enough of Meyer’s ‘blueprints, philosophy and dumbassed dictator like tendencies to keep me firmly in the non-believers camp.
I don’t trust him, and I guess I join the list (which is growing by the week) of players who don’t trust him…
5 Sep 2012, 10:27 am
@NZINCHINA-139: I didn’t see the Aus-NZ game. I’ll take your word for it. I couldn’t agree more with the first part of your sentence. Get to the breakdown in numbers, counter-ruck and recycle the ball quickly (the latter is a strength of Pienaar as a scrummy). Hopefully Meyer will be drilling this into the Boks this week and is why he brought back Kruger. There’s no reason why we cannot do this too with the likes of Beast, Alberts, Etzebeth and Kruger in the loose. The Bok pack needs to hunt as a pack, like you guys do.
5 Sep 2012, 10:28 am
@mikeybrass-135: yes….I agree with that as well….too mucg fanning out and not enough commitment to the ball….that is also the result of having 3 ball carrying loosies wanting to get into position to carry as opposed to a ‘ to the ball ‘ loosie who commits to rucks aggressively….
Juandre will help in this regard as well…
5 Sep 2012, 10:29 am
@grant10-141: Morning Grant.
Reckon (and it’s merely my humble opinion), Duane will come off and Flo will slot into either 6/7 with either Marcel or Alberts moving to 8. I think that is the right strategy, provided the Bok pack hunts as a pack.
I’d pick Brussouw as the first name on my sheet once he has proven his match fitness. He is breaking down too readily these days.
5 Sep 2012, 10:30 am
Grant you can add Cane to that list shorty as well, Brussow always plays well against us, im glad he’s not there.
5 Sep 2012, 10:31 am
Whats with this bulldust about Vermeulen being a “Classic 8th Man”….
Farken hellsbells, lately on Keo the “knowledge” of rugby on display is getting poorer and poorer and the now regular dunces that seem to make up the majority of posts are dumber and farken dumber wrt the Great Game.
Some education:
Classic 8th Men include (And by no means exhaustive):
Past Players
Zinzan, Morne DuP, Teichmann, Dallaglio…
Current Players
Harinordoquy, Read, Kanko…
Now Shelford, Willie O, Richards were by no means bad 8th Men – legends all – but fark me they were never, ever “Classic”.
Spies was never a classic 8th man… and by goodness, Duanne Vermeulen is certainly not “Classic”…
In fact Vermeulen is a fat farken spermwhale in comparison to true “Classic” No 8s… The best he can be is a second rate bruiser similar but not even close to Buck, Deano or Willie O….
Chrissakes, dumbfools!
5 Sep 2012, 10:32 am
@grant10-132:
If Brussouw comes through unscathed over the next two week-ends then he should be drafted into the squad for the home-leg based on experience and as an alternate option.
It’s between him and Coetsee at the moment and Coetsee has not played a test against the big boys yet so lets see. But I hope Coetsee comes through. He has a high work rate, can defend and has the skills to offload in the tackle.
Kolisi brings another dimension and will become a great player overtime. His my favourite out of the 3 because his able to adapt according to the situation and he does this quickly.
I like the ball in hand high tempo gameplan like the Sharks in the last 20min of that 1st half against the Stormers at Kingspark and like the Boks against the Poms in the 1st half of the 2nd test at Ellis Park.
If only we can replicate that style consistently.
5 Sep 2012, 10:33 am
@grant10-141: Keep in mind that McCraw is a hybrid.
@grant10-145: Flo is most effective when arriving second. He used to come in behind another loosie at the Stormers and steal the ball. Use Alberts’ bulk at close quarters or Marcel’s speed and have Flo come in behind them with the rest of the pack knocking the opposition off the ball. Duane isn’t a bad securer of the ball either. A “fetcher” cannot do it alone; the pack needs to hunt as a pack. My poor tv and computer has endured endless abuse being hurled at it when I see the pack standing off!!!
5 Sep 2012, 10:34 am
Mikey hopefully Pineaar can utilise that ball if you get it, a cut out pass or a wipers kick to the far corner, bread and butter stuff for DC throw the Goose on in Dunedin and lets see how good he really is.
5 Sep 2012, 10:35 am
@Puma-137: Imagine Brussow and Bissy in tandem……
now that is where the jackpot is……@touch.pause.engage-138: very valid point in deed….
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-143: I thought that given the fact he trusted Steggmann we would have at least had a coach who emplyed specialists…..much to my dismay he has embarked on this hybrid jack of all trades bull s hit….
No man….he has me doubting big time…..
and the continued snubbing of Jantjes and Lambie is criminal….
I wont even get started on the omission of JDJ and Aplon ….for the JJE of the world…baffling …
and then of course there is the Chabal Lite story!!
5 Sep 2012, 10:35 am
I have a feeling the boks are going to crush the down in the dumps wallabies.
Boks 36 Aus 16
5 Sep 2012, 10:35 am
grant10 – It is strange the HM didn’t see what we and the ABs saw, how well Brussouw played under PDV!
The man was a revelation and a destroyer, we saw it, the ABs saw it and many other teams saw it, so it is worrying that HM didn’t see it!!
AM sure Mallet would have selected him and many other coaches!
5 Sep 2012, 10:35 am
Oh dear. Just as everyone was having a nice discussion, Gat walks in to be followed by the likes of Poppa later. Oh well, let’s enjoy it while we can
5 Sep 2012, 10:35 am
@Gumboots-125: Thats a bit harsh, I guess you struggle to read between the lines, don’t worry lots of people have that problem.
Fact is, Morne Steyn at 10 will not win us the WC in 4 years, then we will be expecting Lambie, Jantjies and goosen to nail it for us with limited gametime leading up to the tournament. Habana and De Villiers will be long past their best, they have already started the decline – so what I am saying is that heyneke should not fear defeat, make the bold moves now.
Some youngsters will crack, others will excell, unless you play them, you will never know who will swim and who will sink. Fact is, none of the 10′s can play worst than what Morne has already dished up.
If you are happy drawing against an Argentinian team, even though they outclassed us in every facet of the game, as long as we don’t lose – maybe you are a bigger loser than me.
5 Sep 2012, 10:36 am
@NZINCHINA-151: Agreed again. I’d give the Goose 20 minutes against the Aussies and the same against the ABs. Ease him into international rugby.
5 Sep 2012, 10:37 am
Jeez – Good optimism, but alas i think the Ozzies will womp us good and proper! Our tactics are too too predictable and the wallabies always thrive against a pedestrian Bok team.
5 Sep 2012, 10:37 am
@Heavens Game-148: Ummmmmm, Heyneke Meyer said that Duane is a classic 8th man, you know HEYNEKE, your hero?
Take the fight to him saggynuts.
5 Sep 2012, 10:39 am
@grant10-141: grant relax, the all blacks nullified pocock in the semi-final last year, not by matching him @ the breakdown but by making him tackle and have to release and THEN blitz him with a clean out, same story in Sydney 3 weeks ago, Pocock was blown out of the park by Allain Rolland as TJ alludes here
“Chief culprit was Wallaby skipper David Pocock who must have thought he was back in Wellington in the World Cup under a ref who wasn’t prepared to penalise anything. His biggest crime might have been trying too hard, but he did his team no favours.”
we can’t ALWAYS pick a team to nullify one guy BUT we can play as team to make him ineffective.
out of the box…
5 Sep 2012, 10:39 am
@grant10-152: On the plus side, Olivier can’t come anywhere near the squad for the time being
I’d have dumped Steyn for Lambie and given Jantjies some game time. Frankly, Goosen needed more game time at the Cheetahs but lets see how he goes now that he is there.
@coma-156: Think Habana is playing his best rugby in many a year. JdV will be phased out in a year’s time, probably.
5 Sep 2012, 10:40 am
@grant10-134:
The only true opensider there is Brussow.
I’d want him in the team, but I’d be happy with any one of the more hybrid players like Louw, Burger or Kolisi starting at 6 – as long as the likes of Bismark and Vermeulen are also included to snaffle ball.
5 Sep 2012, 10:40 am
159 nice one
5 Sep 2012, 10:40 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-159: Don’t be sensible
5 Sep 2012, 10:42 am
Tranny that was a masterstroke from Ted in that semi, poor old Robbie didn’t know what had hit him.
5 Sep 2012, 10:43 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-159: Aaah… The Game Plan expert puts its tuppence…
Now Ms Expert, how about enlightening the Keo audience as to what a Game Plan is…
How about posting a copy and paste of a gameplan that a coach might use for a game… Ask Transie if you need help… He apparently is also an expert on “GamePlans”….
Yeah, give us a game plan Ms Doggy went to Market….
PS… A proper game plan…
Okay?
Another Farken Dunce
5 Sep 2012, 10:44 am
Last time a Bok nr8 made his debut in Australia, the score was 49-0.
5 Sep 2012, 10:45 am
@mikeybrass-146: I am also concerned at Brussows injuries….then we need to commit to F Louw as anopensider Mike…it is crucial…
@NZINCHINA-147: Yes…Sam Cane…what a class act….
@Jeraldjay-149: Fact is both Marcelle and Siya are far more suited to the 7 or 8 role….and both state it publically….
I respect and admire them both….but if you want to compete against the aussies and kiwis its best to employ specialsits at openside….and watching Brussow dominate both Kolisi and Coetsee in superrugby is a stark reminder of what we have…..and I am sure that F Louw would school thhem both as well….
No disrespect to MARCELLE OR SIYA…. i rate them tremendously….but dont go to a Butcher to buy seafood !
5 Sep 2012, 10:46 am
coma #156 – I think we are all panicking too much about the draw in Mendoza. The Pumas have held many a good team in Argentina to a draw and have beaten some big ones too.
The Pumas have a nack of frustrating the daylights out of their opposition with their smothering tactics. They beat the French not so long ago, held the ABs to a draw a few years ago, have beaten the ozzies too a few years back, so don’t worry!!!
The acid test for HM is saturday!!
5 Sep 2012, 10:47 am
@mikeybrass-161: I see you also think you a bit of kenner all of a sardine….
Much like a Bauval of archaeology, Brass of Rugby
Nother farken Dunce
5 Sep 2012, 10:48 am
@willievz-167:
5 Sep 2012, 10:49 am
@mikeybrass-150: Mike….Mc Caw was first and foremost a fetcher extroadinairre….he has developed with experience and now does a lot of carrying….
but so does Brsussow….Brussow is not just a fetcher….
the only thing Mc Caw does better is lineouts….and I bet you Brussow would cause nervous palpitations down kiwis spines if announced in team….
The kiwis are not scared of a bit more Bok muscle….they scared of Brussow….as is Deans…
5 Sep 2012, 10:51 am
@Heavens Game-166: Diverting attention does your cause no good……(I revert back to your Bon Jovi ode to Meyer’s greatness)
Then again, always up for a challenge from an online paralympian like yourself.
Now because I so desperately want to impress you, I’m going to go with a gameplan that I know will meet with your approval. (I’m taking my lead from your obvious adoration of all things Meyer here….)
Kick…..
Kick…..
Kick…..
Chase….
Chase….
Chase….
Kick for corners, kick for territory, kick it back to the oppo so that they can run it back at us, kick when you have a 3 man overlap, kick when you are 8 metres out, kick when you are 20 metres out, kick when the oppo defence is in disarray, kick when they are organised…
I take it you approve?
5 Sep 2012, 10:51 am
@race of tan-154: Mallet in SA Sports Illustrated says it plain and clear….bring back Brussow!
5 Sep 2012, 10:51 am
@coma-156:
Losing is losing. Yes we didn’t deserve to beat the Pumas and should have lost. I take it as a loss if you lose to Argies anyway. To say you don’t mind losing is a loser mentality. Sport is about scoring more points than the opposition. If anyone chooses a team with the intention to lose so we can win in future is really short-sighted. A coach chooses a team he believes will win every game. The problem is not with the players but the coach. It actually doesn’t matter who his chooses. His game plan is a loser anyway…
5 Sep 2012, 10:52 am
@race of tan-158:
http://www.supersport.com/rugby/springboks/news/120901/Boks_are_on_right_track_Heyneke
Read this. I dont think the boks will keep on playing the same game over and over again. Its still early days. Some injured players will make a big difference and MStyen’s days are numbered.
For now, I think this team can beat the Aussies and do it convincingly. Its clear that they are a broken team. We just need to dominate up front and they will crumble. After last weeks draw Im sure HM rectified the problems at the break down and thats where you win the game.
The backs will be sharper with Pienaar and the lineouts will be a lot better with Kruger at the helm. He is the answer at 5. I expect all the set pieces to get the backs into the game much more this weekend. T
he Argies did us a favour in hitting us hard up front. The Aussies will try to do the same but will fail.
Hougie doesnt just have the x factor (seen at the worldcup) needed to win games, he has the same aggressive defensive style than JPP, which you need against an Aussie backline full of flare.
5 Sep 2012, 10:52 am
From fools spouting off about “Balanced” loose trios just the other day, to farken absolute bulldust about “Classic” No 8′s today…
Fark me Keo is becoming a fantastical fantasy world where posters are accomplished for one thing only…
Talking out of their noisy, wide open Dutpipes….
5 Sep 2012, 10:52 am
Apparently Elton Janjies old man was on E-TV last night spitting mad about Elton’s future and handling in SA rugby, did anyone see the interview?
5 Sep 2012, 10:53 am
@grant10-174:
I say bring back Mallet. Sooner rather than later…
5 Sep 2012, 10:53 am
@grant10-168: ““but if you want to compete against the aussies and kiwis its best to employ specialsits at openside” NO, this is not gospel grant…you need to be rational and not think in a tunnel…there’s more ways to skin a cat.
5 Sep 2012, 10:54 am
@grant10-168: I don’t mind Flo coming off the bench provided he is used. Right now I am more concerned about the Bok pack not hunting as a pack.
@Heavens Game-170: Never argue with an idiot. He’ll drag you down to his level. Good morning Idiot
5 Sep 2012, 10:55 am
@puff-162: only 2 opensiders for me….Brussow and F Louw….
Schalk at 6…..that has farked up stormers for years!!!
Even PDV saw through that and moved Schalk to 7….with Brussow…and it was the only good thing to come out of WC…
screw the Hybrid thinking…..
you either fish or fowl…..
jack of all trades come second in the big time….
5 Sep 2012, 10:56 am
@grant10-172: Yup, McCraw developed as the rules changed. He is now a hybrid.
One way this could be solved is for Flo to be at 6, Coetzee at 7, Duane at 8 and Alberts to come off the bench. With a straight Flo – Brussouw swop when Brussouw has proven his fitness etc.
5 Sep 2012, 10:56 am
@XhosaKid-178: I never saw it. However, it does your son no good by doing that. Not good for a parent to be complaining on national tv that their son never made the team. If it was me I personally would be embarrassed of my dad doing just that.
Players just can’t have their parents fighting for them to get into the team. It did Luke Watson no good either.
5 Sep 2012, 10:57 am
@grant10-182: Flo is a nice hybrid. The pack needs to operate as a pack for him to be effective.
5 Sep 2012, 10:58 am
@XhosaKid-178: Elton’s old man needs to bloody SHUT UP!
5 Sep 2012, 10:59 am
@Transformation-186:
…and Chad le Clos dad needs to speak up…
5 Sep 2012, 10:59 am
@Gumboots-179: gets my vote mate
work calls
outta here
cheers
5 Sep 2012, 11:00 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-173: Yup… Thought so…
It seems, my darling, you are adept at pointing your no doubt well groomed fingers here, there and everywhere; you obsfucate with a little bit of psych 101 now and again about this poster or that; you even induce a good few laughs with a more developed sense of humour than most Keolings (not really saying much though)….
But, fark me, when you actually talk Rugger, the Game Played in Heaven, the Hooligans Game watched by Gentleman, you farken disappoint because it is quite clear you dont really know what the flyingfck is actually cutting….
Never mind… Keo’s got room for many flavours… and many dunces…
Hey “Missy” Thumbelina…?
5 Sep 2012, 11:01 am
Horses for courses. In the land of the mullet, you play the Vermullet.
5 Sep 2012, 11:01 am
@XhosaKid-178: where is Keegan’s father, oom or tannie to complain for him? Where is Juan de Jongh’s Pa?
it is embraboer in the extreme!
i saw an article in the Times about it, now you’re saying it was on e-tv…Nobody is owed a Bok jersey!
5 Sep 2012, 11:03 am
@Transformation-180: I would always employ a secialsit opensider….as a rule…
I see no benefit in playing hybrids….ever…
makes no rational sense to me….
3 x ball carriers equals big kak…..
I want my boks to be the best of the best in all positions…..not the Smits at tighthead….the scrumhalves at 11….the blindsiders at openside…
no Sirree…..
Fark that….it seldom works….if ever…
gotta run
cheers boet
5 Sep 2012, 11:03 am
@Heavens Game-177: Well Prince Philip, at the moment, the only dutpipers looking silly round these parts, are those who have been sucking up all of Meyer’s hype from day 1. Those who have flip flopped from “he is a god” to “he is a doos” with Usain Bolt like speed….
You mr Boom Boom, carried the Meyer flag from the minute he announced his 1st squad. You’ve been his drummer boy (albeit a rather wimpish and unfashionably dressed one) happly marching in front of the hype train.
Calling everyone else who happens to have been right about Meyer and his selections thus far EEJITS, is perfuckinglexing.
5 Sep 2012, 11:04 am
@Transformation-191:
Spies is the exception…
5 Sep 2012, 11:06 am
By picking Ruan, Zane and Morne the game plan is clear and obvious as can be, I am just not sure that kicking it back to the Aussies after the hard work earned to get it is the cleverest thing to do.
But that is what will happen, the 3 of them will put up bombs, we will chase and hopefully tackle them into making errors hopefully gaining quick ball from those errors to hand to our big ball carriers to try and get over the advantage line ,in so doing either create try scoring opportunities or force penalties.
That is it, not pretty , not complex and until now not effective. Expect nothing different on Saturday. It will be like watching the Stormers.
5 Sep 2012, 11:08 am
@Heavens Game-189: You are the expert? Tell us how the blueprint you and Meyer find ‘dynamite’ is working out? Read my posts from the day Meyer announced his 1st squad, and then read yours, then check the results and post match comments to see who has been more accurate….
You predicted a BOOM against the Argies in Mendoza….I predicted a game that could go either way due to selections and a conservative and rigid gameplan.
How did that work out for you?
Yes my friend…..the dunce is on the other foot.
5 Sep 2012, 11:08 am
@Transformation-186: What did he say?, he should indeed shut the phark up!!!, and let the boy play rugby. Dewey Swartbooi got a much kakier deal than Elton.
5 Sep 2012, 11:10 am
@grant10-192: hehe
5 Sep 2012, 11:13 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-193:
Who would you have coaching the Boks in this critical rebuilding phase we’re currently undergoing?
5 Sep 2012, 11:15 am
@XhosaKid-178: I reckon Jantjies senior may have a point… Good on him for speaking the truth.
Jantjies is actually the best 10 in SA at the moment…
Now I am very partial to Lambie at his best i.e. His 2011 season in Super Rugby, but lately the poor b.ugger has been languishing on the bench or recovering from injury… I reckon his confidence may be wobbly at best…
There are no such problems with Jantjies…
Actually, I reckon Morne Steyn should get one more game at 10 this weekend, outside a proper scrummy for a change in Pienaar…
If he doesnt produce then it should be DCM by all rights….
But, by goodness, I’ll be farked if Goosen steps in instead when Jantjies should be there…
So, Jantjies senior has a good point when he slates what is happening with his son…
5 Sep 2012, 11:18 am
@John Galt-199: Mallet. Said it from the start. (Would have loved a Wayne Smith in the setup as well, or a Warren Gatland, Ewan McKenzie type – but that was never going to happen….)
Mallet.
5 Sep 2012, 11:19 am
If Australia win this weekend will you concede that Australia is a better rugby team, it’ll be 7 from 9 or something close to that over 3 seasons pretty conclusive if they win again.
5 Sep 2012, 11:20 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-4: Praat k@k! Pienaar baie beter as Hougie op 9, maar ek is bly Hougie is op d veld.
Habana behoort nie daar nie (en ek skreeu WP).
Zane and Morne are the weak links china!
@coma-3: IMO thank goodness you are not Bok coach. I am all for giving the new guys a chance, but that team would not win.
question: Who is yr Capt?
5 Sep 2012, 11:20 am
@Heavens Game-200: Anyone but his dad should be speaking out for him. It just doesn’t look right when your old man is singing your praises or giving interviews left, right and centre.
5 Sep 2012, 11:22 am
@xtremebull-127: Actually Etzebeth use to play centre, and Kruger played almost every position in the backline except for 9 till moving to 7 in high school. So mobility and skill definitely doesn’t fall short with this partnership.
5 Sep 2012, 11:22 am
@XhosaKid-197: moaning about him being dropped without knowing what he did wrong and goosen being fasttracked…but elton’s not concerned it’s his father doing an Enver Rose and being grootbek.
5 Sep 2012, 11:24 am
What is Tac going to say about this – his hero Heineken talking about shoulders!
“Obviously we change from week to week and you target your attack accordingly, but these are small tweaks. You attack the weak shoulders”
5 Sep 2012, 11:25 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-201: remember mallett and wayne coaching an exhibition side end of last year, that raised the hopes of the duo potentially taking over england…they both said they would be open to working with each other.
5 Sep 2012, 11:26 am
And@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-193: Ag, your anti-Meyer thang has never had anything to do with anything Rugby… It is all to do with your perception of his light blue tinge…
Nothing else…
And no amount of diversion, tiddlywinks or amateur quackery will demonstrate otherwise…
But nevermind… Its okay on Keo to have no clue what the hell you talking about with the true Beautiful Game… Just ask Vrede… or Keo himself. I am pretty goddamned sure that they never gooi’d an elliptical shaped ball in anger… ever.
So… as you were
5 Sep 2012, 11:27 am
@NZINCHINA-202: Australia have always been smarter than the Boks.
They are sneaky littlefuckers who usually beat us hands down in the department that counts most: rugby intelligence.
With their playing numbers, they should be languishing at about 6th on the rankings in a good year, yet they have constantly outwitted, outlasted and outsmart much favoured
opponents over the years.
They currently own us, paid up and debt free.
Beating them in Perth ONCE will not change this.
No way in hell anyone can deny Aussies superiority over us as it stands.
(Only the fanatical will deny it…)
5 Sep 2012, 11:28 am
Tranny Mallet didnt get the job, Smith turned it down.
5 Sep 2012, 11:28 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-201:
Mallet never made himself available for the position did he?
I mean out of the available options.
The way I see it, HM is trying his hardest to play rugby like the way the Boks did in Jburg against the Poms.
Except now without JP, Bissie and a few other massive names its proving to be a little more difficult to get his combinations right.
Mallet, Jake etc all had a period of inconsistent selections during the first season of their tenure. it comes with the territory after a large batch of class players retire.
And whilst my opionion is that M Steyn and a few others are not the answer, i do think that HM will cull these okes straight away if they dont perform.
You have to rememeber that M Steyn was not horrendous against the Poms and then had a MoM performance against the Argies in SA.
His shocker in Mendoza prob means he is on final warning though. I reckon one more poor performance and he’s outa there.
5 Sep 2012, 11:31 am
I wonder how the comments will differ if the boks beat the Aussies? Will they stay the same or be postponed until the boks eventually do lose a game?
The boks are going to thrash the Aussies, mark my words.
5 Sep 2012, 11:31 am
@jacoshark-74: Agree with you 100% – we cant just drop young guys in critical positions into major Tests as their first game.
Dan Carter was brought in at 12 (as I recall?) and got used to Tests and then moved to 10 – good example of how to do it.
Morne had years of experience – which helped him to step up and kick the penalty again B&I Lions
5 Sep 2012, 11:31 am
@Heavens Game-209: Ok, you have finished trying to expose others. Now back to what matters: Your utterly misguided faith in Meyer and your obvious lack of grip on reality as it stands for the Boks.
You predicted the DYNAMITE for this Bok coaching setup, gameplan and squad – not me.
Divert til it hurts, the truth is there for all to see.
I do believe your little “I will lay down in the Bok bed of roses” quote is relevant right here
5 Sep 2012, 11:31 am
210 this is true but it seems most around here are in denial, another loss in Perth will be devestating for the KEO faithful.
5 Sep 2012, 11:32 am
South Africa
Hooper: Boks face breakdown blues
Wed, 05 Sep 2012 08:03
PrevNextYou’ve got a bit of a window to force a turnover, because they are bigger blokes
Australia’s new openside star, Michael Hooper, is convinced South Africa could be beaten with the same tactics that worked for the Wallabies at the World Cup last year.
Injured captain David Pocock was a real menace when the Aussies scored a 11-9 win in the World up quarterfinal, with a number of contentious rulings by now axed referee Bryce Lawrence allowing Pocock to reign supreme at the breakdown.
Hooper, who has now stepped into Pocock’s role in the Wallaby team, is convinced he can be just as affective when they face the Springboks in a Rugby Championship encounter in Perth on Saturday.
The Boks have again opted against using a specialist openside flank, with coach Heyneke Meyer naming three big ball carriers – Duane Vermeulen, Willem Alberts and Marcell Coetzee – in his starting XV.
Bath import Francois Louw, who is on the bench, is the specialist pilferer. He came on in the quarterfinal last year, when Heinrich Brüssow was injured in a cheap shot by Dan Vickerman.
However, Louw had no affect on the match, as Pocock continued to dominate amidst a series of puzzling rulings.
Hooper is bracing himself for a physical battering from the bigger-bodied Springboks.
“I guess when you’re going for a turnover or putting your head in the breakdown, they come in flying,” Hooper told a media scrum on Wednesday.
“But in saying that, you’ve got a bit of an opportunity, a bit of a window to force a turnover, because they are bigger blokes.
“They probably will be a step or two [slower] than if they were playing a traditional No.7.
“There’s opportunities there, but you’ve got to be prepared to be belted.”
Hooper said South Africa would present a different challenge to the All Blacks, who beat Australia 27-19 and 22-0 in the first two rounds of the competition.
“They’re a bigger pack, which brings a different style of how they’re going to attack it using more force than skill and things like that,” he said.
“I think as I said earlier it is a different challenge in that they’re going to use force rather than having that real on the ball player like a Heinrich Brüssow or something like that.”
Hooper said he would use his experience from Super Rugby contests against South African teams.
“The contact is a massive thing in South African games,” Hooper said.
“Each year over there we played the Bulls and the Lions in very physical games.
“In saying that though, there’s areas we can work to avoid those big contacts and get some pay out of it
5 Sep 2012, 11:33 am
Ok Bokke
no John Smit to turn down kickable shots at goal
no P Divvy to do whatever it was he did
and most importantly no corrupt Kiwi ref to cheat you out of your destiny
Time to show the world you’re better than Australia isn’t it?
5 Sep 2012, 11:34 am
This is a GREAT team and very close to the one I would choose (with my admittedly limited knowledge of Test rugby).
Bekker will be back – he must recover 100% and get some form back.
Vermulen to make the 8 jersey his own
Pienaar to make 9 his own
Hougie will be awesome on the wing, but he should replace Habana, and Mvovo should stay.
Lambie or another to take over #15
BOKKE!
5 Sep 2012, 11:34 am
@XhosaKid-204: If E TV comes knocking on the door of Jantjies senior to ask his opinion… What must he say? Farkall…?
Naah, its obvious Elton is in the cast off category… like Brussouw, and Daniel…
Hellsteeth, I can even understand why the latter two are not in favour… But Elton Jantjies…? I cant fathom one bit.
5 Sep 2012, 11:35 am
@grant10-217: What site is that from Grant?
5 Sep 2012, 11:35 am
@gonzo-218: “isnt it”
you a cape crusader isnt it?
5 Sep 2012, 11:36 am
@John Galt-212: Was how we played against England in Joburg a reflection of an English side coming from a RWC, 6Nations, domestic competitions or a very good Bok team.
5 Sep 2012, 11:36 am
The players coaching themselves it seems!
Haai-neke is basically just selecting the team!
Wake up from the dream!
49-0, Ozzies are keen!
5 Sep 2012, 11:37 am
@rangerman-222: nah bro, a Blues fan
5 Sep 2012, 11:38 am
Hooper is licking his lips….
I simply cannot believe we fall into the same trap year after year after year….
first we had G Smith , Waugh and Mc Caw giving us carrots at the breakdown when we foolishly ignored L Watson and went with the Spies, J Smith and Schalk behemoths…..
Then we catch a wake up and Brussow canes kiwis and B Lions 6 love…..
roll on 2012 and we back to the dark ages …and a young laatie like Hooper calling the odds ….
sometimes I honestly believe we as Boks get what we deserve for our complete stupidity and re tardedness
5 Sep 2012, 11:39 am
Gonzo they’ll need to beat Aus at least 3 or 4 straight for that to happen.
5 Sep 2012, 11:39 am
@bokfan1-221: rugby 365
5 Sep 2012, 11:41 am
@gonzo-225: A South African who is a Blues fan?
Or a Kiwi?
5 Sep 2012, 11:41 am
@grant10-217: It wasn’t Pocock’s genius but Mark Lawrence’s incompetence that won the game for Australia.
5 Sep 2012, 11:41 am
@grant10-228: Interesting… lets believe/hope that the Boks have a plan to counter that.
5 Sep 2012, 11:42 am
@XhosaKid-230: Do you mean the QF of RWC11?
5 Sep 2012, 11:43 am
@grant10-226: G.Smith was owned 3 out of 3 times by the late Solly Tyibilika.
5 Sep 2012, 11:47 am
@John Galt-212: Out of the available options (those that actively put their names in the hat), none of them. I would have head hunted the best man for the job, whatever it took, whatever it cost, wherever he may have been in the world. Everyone has a price – even those who say, “Not for sale”.
Heyneke should have been made Director of rugby or something of the sort, where he could do all of the backroom support stuff he really IS good at. Building this, building that, setting this up, setting that up etc.
International coaching is for the brave, not the stubborn and rigid.
Yes, injuries have floored the man somewhat, and I’m betting most take that into account. What has p#ssed me off, is not the hand he has been dealt, but the hypocritical nature of his term thus far.
Says this – does that. Does that – says this. What he is doing to players, is cruel and unusual, regardless of how ‘good’ his intentions are.
5 Sep 2012, 11:48 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-215: Misguided faith…?
In a coach with a pretty decent track record right up to Super Rugby… Including being assistant to Mallet?
After a series against England where two halves were played that demonstrated Bok Rugby at its very best?
That is not faith based… That is evidence based… and it was not misguided by any means whatsoever… and in contrast, certainly not guided by such “robust” thumbelina factors like: Meyer comes from “snor city”, or Meyer is a WP “hater”, or Meyer is a verkrampte “Blou Bul”….
But when talking about Keeping the Faith, I still hope and have a belief (diminishing, yes) but based on evidence that Meyer will come right and take the Boks on an upward trajectory…
However, I am worried about some illogical decisions he is making (like bringing two players into the squad, not completely with merit, and too soon after injury as a seeming sop to the wailing masses), which show that the syndrome of Bok Coach “madness” may be taking hold sooner than everyone thought.
5 Sep 2012, 11:48 am
@bokfan1-229: A kiwi – i was hoping my accent came through more in the last post
@NZINCHINA-227: I don’t understand it, the boks regularly beat NZ but the Aussies seem to have a mental hold over them like they did over the ABs in our dark, dark bledisloe-less period. I’m sure the boks are a better team but have always lost the game before they run out on the field. I feel their pain – i still have nightmares about the late 90s
5 Sep 2012, 11:49 am
@grant10-217: ask yourself WHY pocock wasn’t so effective in the semis against the ABs considering they were playing McCaw who effectively is a hybrid.?
5 Sep 2012, 11:51 am
@gonzo-236:
Are you a Muppet or a Man?
5 Sep 2012, 11:52 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-210: This is truth. We saffas just don’t like admitting the aussies are better than us at anything, but they’ve owned us for some time now.
5 Sep 2012, 11:52 am
Or a Muppet of a man!
5 Sep 2012, 11:52 am
@grant10-226: I reckon you overrate Hooper too much…
Aussies there for the taking this weekend… But fark me, if the Boks lose then its Shitstreet…
5 Sep 2012, 11:52 am
@Heavens Game-209: Maybe like your perception of Vermeulen or JDV?
5 Sep 2012, 11:54 am
@Atreides-239: it ebbs and flows mate…before their win durban 2008 we’d OWNED them too, and we had a pretty decent record against them on the highveld…
5 Sep 2012, 11:55 am
@grant10-226: I’m a bit more worried about M Steyn lying deep in the pocket as usual and Ruan having to try protect him…which will mean we get no backline movement going…especially if the forwards don’t get dominance early…..then it’s gonna be punty punt punt up-and-under box-kick all night again….
5 Sep 2012, 11:55 am
@gonzo-218: Listen mate. The Kiwi ref played a supporting role in the Boks demise in that QF, and ONLY a supporting role.
The Boks failed to adapt to anything that went down that day. 20000000000000000000 Test caps were on that field, and yet they lost the plot at crucial times. Regardless of Bryce (and he was utterlyfuckinguseless), our super experienced team SHOULD have won that game on their own steam.
Little errors, indecision, wrong decisions, ill discipline when it mattered cost us far more than Bryce did.
My opinion is not a popular one, but that has always been my take on it.
Bryce suckeddonkeydick that day, but the Boks LOST the game.
5 Sep 2012, 11:55 am
@Transformation-243: Yea it does, I just long for the day where we get on top again!
5 Sep 2012, 11:58 am
@Heavens Game-241:
60% chance of shitesville then.
5 Sep 2012, 11:58 am
John Galt – This whole thing of dropping M Steyn completely, i don’t agree with.
What i do agree with and it hasn’t happened yet is pulling MSteyn off for the last 20 and giving Lambie/Goosen game time. You don’t just drop M Steyn and then throw in Lambie or Goosen, like Mallet did with Gaffie, as it could backfire enormously!!!
I just hope HM starts to do that on Saturday, start giving lambie or Goosen a run at 10, he has already done it with Hougie and RP.
5 Sep 2012, 11:58 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-245: The boks couldn’t manufacture tries if their lives depended on it in the lead up to that game…..we had so much territory and possession, we should have closed that game out. Bryce contributed somewhat, but the Boks should have had it in them to finish them off, and didn’t
As poor as Bryce was, the boks were poorer
5 Sep 2012, 11:58 am
@gonzo-236: It did – but just wanted to check
A very good comment on the mystifying issue the Boks seem to have with Wallabies recently.
When I think back to 2004 – 2009ish we hardly ever lost to Wallabies, and wins were quite comfortable too (like the one I saw at Loftus in 2006).
Some of the recent Wallaby victories have been very close (eg. Beale’s last-second penalty in SA) but still… a loss is a loss and no good.
That Wallabies team of the 90s was legendary so I wouldnt feel too bad about it
5 Sep 2012, 11:59 am
@gonzo-225: are you a kiwi?
5 Sep 2012, 11:59 am
@Transformation-243: What are the stats RE: Wooden spoon finishes in the Tri-Nations? Serious question. I think we have wooden spooned more than the Aussies by some margin – although I’m not 100% sure…..
5 Sep 2012, 11:59 am
@Atreides-242: My “perception” of JdV is based in fact that the obvious majority on Keo don’t seem to take into account… Fact that Munster did seem to, by contrast… and only at the end of his stint, Dippy Divvy too.
Now Fatty Vermeulen, I am willing to give the benefit of my doubt to… However I do reserve the right to say my “I told you so’s” when he is shown to be farken too slow, not skilful enough and not spatially aware enough to be an International 8… His lineout jumping is nothing special either…
Vermeulen is actually a blindside flank who plays at 8… However as blindside he would definitely be inferior to Alberts.
Unnerstand?
5 Sep 2012, 11:59 am
Heyneke – “Secondly, it’s not about the game plan, it’s about reading the situation. Obviously if the defence is up tight, you have to play wider and if the defence is wide, you have to take it up the middle. That’s not the game plan, that’s reading the situation. You need to teach the players how to read these situations. ”
Good to hear?
5 Sep 2012, 12:00 pm
@race of tan-248: Agree with you 100%, you cant drop a brand-new fly half into a major test as a starter!
But it was a shame in the last Test vs England that Morne was terrible and still Elton didnt get a run…
5 Sep 2012, 12:00 pm
@Transformation-237: Mc Caw was a fetcher who developed….
why can Brussow not be this as well?
Why we need Marcelle to reinvent himself?
I bet the laaitie Hooper would be kakking in his broeks if Brussow was playing….
now the upstart chirping the odds already, becasause he knows without Louw he will reign on the deck….
we got no brains in our rugby….except for Mallet who rather farks about in the commentary box…..
Mc Caw is first and foremsot a expert at spoiling and slowing ball down….the rest is a bonus…
5 Sep 2012, 12:01 pm
The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food said #245 – I agree. We had much more ball than the ABs had at their RWC2007 quarter final loss v France(last 10 minutes), and we did nothing with it.
The Boks looked very pedestrian that day. We had loads of oppurtunities to create a drop goal scenario but didn’t take it, running around like headless chickens. The Ozzies tackled us into the ground that day, hats off to them for that!!
5 Sep 2012, 12:01 pm
@Heavens Game-253: JDV crabs way too much for my liking and dies with the ball. Also remember that Vermeulen has hardly played this season, so I would give him a couple of games to settle in and get match fit. At blindside he would be inferior to Alberts but I think he’s a better 8th man
5 Sep 2012, 12:02 pm
I do not understand you lot.
Fact team got to have colour , so live with Chikko
Lambie does not even start for Sharks why
You all called for Vermeulen , now he’s there , now you don’t want him now , but you have no alternative either.
5 Sep 2012, 12:03 pm
ah ok gonzo got it mate, cheers.
5 Sep 2012, 12:04 pm
@cane-240: Half Man/Half Muppet
5 Sep 2012, 12:06 pm
@Heavens Game-241:
I rate Hooper….but he has pissed me off with hid grandstanding…..
fact is if he were a saffa he would not make Maties 3 rd team….
but that is because we are thick HG….farken deluded….
I also believe we will win Sat….Aussies are clever and desperate…..we are farken over the top desperate….
But winning fugly will just paper the cracks…..@Atreides-244:
the M Steyn selection is a disgrace, especially seen in context with the Bekker and Daniel axing….
since 2010 that wally has held us back….criminal.
5 Sep 2012, 12:07 pm
@Atreides-254: What?, I’m sure you are making a mistake, surely that was PDV. I thought ” playing the situation” was called unstructured rugby when PDV talked about playing the situation?
Keo and your goons, where the phark are you?, did Heyneke Meyer really speak about playing the situation?????
5 Sep 2012, 12:07 pm
@race of tan-248: when asked why he didn’t drop MSteyn in PE meyer said there were too many inexperienced players on the field at one – marcell, pottie, eben, juandre – so he didn’t want throw elton in the deep end.
5 Sep 2012, 12:08 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-252: yes, no doubt…we are the serial holders!
5 Sep 2012, 12:08 pm
Cannot see the reason behind this bench (back division), 2 FH’s and a wing?
Ideally, it should have been;
20. Goosen - covers 10.
21. De Jongh - covers 12 and 13.
22. Aplon - covers 11, 14 and 15.
We already have two SH’s in the starting 15, so that’s pretty much covered.
Heyneke should decide (and pretty fast) on where he sees Lambie adding value. At 15, he’s way too pedestrian.
5 Sep 2012, 12:09 pm
@Atreides-249: Yes, 100% correct. Which is why I get so p#ssed off when Bryce is blamed for our exit – it’s a cop out. He contributed yes, but the blame lies firmly at the door of the players on the field at the time. Not Bryce, not the coaches, the players on that field directing play.
5 Sep 2012, 12:10 pm
@grant10-256: but that’s not the reason WHY pocock was ineffective…
5 Sep 2012, 12:10 pm
@cane-247: 50/50… Don’t forget Deans also under pressure…
Now Deans and Meyer have been very, very good coaches at the next level down to international…
But the pressure at International level (and especially in the Bok hotseat) seems to be inducing some illogical decision making and choices by both of them…
I reckon its actually a study in pressure at the highest level… One of Deans or Meyer may succeed and take their respective team to the RWC… They both however may fail…
However great Coaches (best long term examples in Rugby – Woodward and Henry) have somehow hung on through the pressure… made their mistakes and learnt from them…
We shall see… But I reckon its 50/50, only because of home advantage… If Wobblies were playing in SA then it would be your 60%, but to the Boks.
5 Sep 2012, 12:11 pm
Fark…I actually agree with HG on some of his assertions….
I am concerned about JDV at 13….
I also believe Vermeulen is not a classic 8…..probably more suited to 7 role ….but still a country mile better than the absolutely useless Spies passenger….
5 Sep 2012, 12:11 pm
@Transformation-265: At least we shine in something
That’s what p#sses me off about so many Bok fans, there is a sense of entitlement, when the reality says otherwise…however harsh it may be:)
5 Sep 2012, 12:12 pm
Transformation #248 – Maybe there is method to HMs madness. HM might be trying to build up some sort of experience first before he changes tatics!!!!
This does make sense with what is going on as HM knows he has got a youngish team, especially in the forward pack and maybe doesn’t want to change too much too soon!!
One good thing about Saturday is that HM does have alternatives on the bench for 10!!
5 Sep 2012, 12:15 pm
@Transformation-268: I know he was counter rucked and harassed off the ball Transie….
But that does not mean we should not employ a specialsit opensider….
The kiwis are far more dominant in scrums and counterruck than saffas are currently….
we need to get there first to compete….because our 3 ball carriers loosies and Bekker dont commit like Kiwis do….
either too farken lazy or Meyer scared to over commit numbers there…..
even more reason to employ a ‘ to the ball ‘ specialist…..add the Bissy injury and we farked in the head if we think otherwise!!
5 Sep 2012, 12:16 pm
@capebull-259: “You all called for Vermeulen , now he’s there , now you don’t want him now”
the guy is coming back from a 4-5 month layoff and has only played minutes of currie cup rugby, his provincial coach and medical staff told heyneke NOT to pick him but no heyneke shoots him straight into Test rugby to DEBUT against australia…that’s bullshit in any language!
5 Sep 2012, 12:17 pm
@Atreides-258: Agree 100%. Alberts a shy.te No 8, and Vermeulen better than him at 8… And the way Spies been playing the last few years, Vermeulen better than him – but thats not saying much.
Yes, Vermeulen has been injured, but fark me why is he there already… He is been set up to fail at this rate… Have seen Vermeulen perform pretty well for Stormers when 100% fit, but fark me if he performs like he has in the CC to date then he will get slaughtered…
This is what I can’t understand about Meyer decision to include him. I reckon Vermeulen is at least 2 more games away from being able to play a full 80 mins at CC, never mind a farken test.
5 Sep 2012, 12:17 pm
Sigh of relief seeing Juandre back in the starting setup, that’s probably the only Bulls player i’m glad to have starting, pretty much meh about the rest, Hougies included. Better as a bench option until the boks decided what the hell they wanna do with him.
5 Sep 2012, 12:18 pm
work calls again…farkit…
5 Sep 2012, 12:19 pm
@grant10-270:
5 Sep 2012, 12:19 pm
@Heavens Game-269:
I agree only more so.
Oz 60% chance at home.
SA 70% chance at home.
I hope both games go to the Home Team.
This can only benefit NZ’s chances of winning The Championship.
Which of course, as we all know. Is the most important thing.
5 Sep 2012, 12:21 pm
@grant10-262: 50/50… Both coaches and teams under pressure… Wobblies got a glaring weakness though… No Pocock. They are there for the taking…
I actually reckon the Argies could take the Aussies in Perth if it was them playing there this weekend instead of the Boks.
But fark me, if the Boks lose?
I actually dont even want to think about it.
5 Sep 2012, 12:22 pm
@Transformation-274:
Agreed.., no way he’ll last a full 80 for the next two weeks.
Add to that Alberts, who’s all together not an 80-min player due to his conditioning (2nd 40 player IMHO), and we’ll may see Coetsee and Louw carrying the loosies in the last quarter.
Would have called up CJ Stander, and cap him before the Irish whispers all kinds of honey in his ear.
5 Sep 2012, 12:24 pm
@race of tan-272: there are no gentle learning curves or window periods in international rugby, ask deans!
his 3 out of 17 win ratio against the all blacks will sink him!
heyneke can’t think what worked at the bulls in 2007 will work now, he has to be sharper!
5 Sep 2012, 12:26 pm
@cane-279: @cane-279:
Cannot be accused for having a biased opinion.
5 Sep 2012, 12:26 pm
The NZ TAB (Betting Shop) is paying on the Boks/Wobblies Test:
Head to Head-
Oz $1.62
SA $2.20
5 Sep 2012, 12:28 pm
@Pot Blou Gevaar-283:
hey …………………………..I’m neutral on this one.
5 Sep 2012, 12:28 pm
Robbie Deans doesn’t deserve all the flack he is getting, Australia lose mainly cos they’re just not good enough, they don’t have personnel or depth to be World number one, and i think that’s enough for any fan to accept. Meyer on the other hand, he deserves the criticism i think. Either he doesn’t know the players well enough, or he is just plain being a ****.
5 Sep 2012, 12:29 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-267: Very well said…strange that it’s NEVER the players’ fault!!!
5 Sep 2012, 12:29 pm
Transformation #282 – I am very worried about Saturday. It is not a bad Wobblie team at all and they seem to have the nack of snot klapping the Boks regularly. I am getting a horrible feeling that the Boks could be embarrased come Saturday!
5 Sep 2012, 12:29 pm
@cane-279: At this moment in Rugby time, I reckon the ABs have no need to benefit from the farkups of other teams to win the 4N… If they dont then it will go down as nothing more than another monumental choke…
The day them ‘orrible ‘obbits start playing Cruden at 10 and Carter at 12 then everyone in bigshyte…
Fark, I dont want to even think of it… Imagine having to look on at the ABs in awe… Fark that.
5 Sep 2012, 12:31 pm
@Heavens Game-289:
lol
5 Sep 2012, 12:31 pm
@Heavens Game-275: And that is what I have been saying all week. Duane is being set up to fail. And for a fellow who has waited this long to get his shot (when he deserved it wayyyyyyyy back already) – it is grossly unfair (whether you rate him as a player or not).
The man management has not been good all round….Brussow, de Jongh, JJ, Lambie, Mvovo, Jantjies, Goosen, Vermeulen, even Hougaard has suffered (although he is now being accomodated at anothers expense), Bekker, Kruger, Daniel etc. All victims thus far.
The only ones who seem to be immune: Kirchner, Morne Steyn, Hougaard (to an extent) and Spies will be once he returns from the potentially career ending injury of a splinter in his finger.
5 Sep 2012, 12:32 pm
286 Australia lose because they have to play Nz, against the rest they are fine.
5 Sep 2012, 12:32 pm
@cane-285:
5 Sep 2012, 12:34 pm
Yip picked it exactly right – he’s got about 7 mediocre selections – it’s going to be close but tge Aussies should take it. If liebenberg, cilliers, louw, hougaard and goosen started with a more attacking fullback might have been different. Good luck but I got no confidence.
5 Sep 2012, 12:34 pm
Caner the Bokke are worth a flutter at those odds.
5 Sep 2012, 12:34 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-287:
Sharks rugby pedigree says it as it was. He knows and is not afraid to say it.
A few on here just cant blame there own players but find it alot easier to blame everyone else.
Brycie reffed a joke of a game, for both sides as well..we all know that and its an embarrassment that NZRU gave Bryce ref of the year, that was a kick in the nuts for SA as well as Kiwis that know the game, he deserved nothing.
5 Sep 2012, 12:34 pm
@Heavens Game-289:
Get plenty of Booze in for the weekend HG.
You are gunna need it.
Even if you don’t need it. There is nothing wrong with being prepared for all eventualities.
5 Sep 2012, 12:37 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-291: and farken Potgieter!!!!!!!
5 Sep 2012, 12:38 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-291: No, I don’t rate Vermeulen as a regular starter for the Boks at 8. But agree with pretty much everything else you say…
However having said I dont rate Vermeulen, he still is better than some of the farked up picks Bok coaches have made in the grip of ,something that can only be described as, madness.
Willing to give him the benefit of the doubt especially when 100% fit, but hellsteeth he is a few games away from being ready at present…
5 Sep 2012, 12:40 pm
@Heavens Game-275: Yea I’m not sure what the thinking is there, surely HM doesn’t expect 80 min from him?? I reckon passion might carry him for 40 min but what happens if he gasses? Alberts to 8 and Flo on at 7?
5 Sep 2012, 12:40 pm
@capebull-259: Excuse me since when hasn’t Lambie started for the Sharks????? You havew confused me entirely!
5 Sep 2012, 12:42 pm
@cane-297: Booze…. Definitely… Gonna be tequila mockingbird Saturday….
5 Sep 2012, 12:42 pm
@Hurricane-296:
“Sharks rugby pedigree says it as it was. He knows ……………………….”.
He is a She.
And a Doctor to boot.
5 Sep 2012, 12:44 pm
@cane-297:
I’m stocked up for Saturday.
Gameplan A is Johnny Black if whether is mild to warm, Gameplan B is Cockspur Rum if the weather is cold.
Damn I hope we win so that we can be in a positive mindset to take on that “other” team the week after.
5 Sep 2012, 12:46 pm
@cane-303:
Gee Cane, way to kill my good post.
5 Sep 2012, 12:46 pm
@Heavens Game-299: Well it seems Heyneke decided to ignore Duane’s coach and those who know him best by selecting him now. Ditto for Goosen.
And that smacks of desperation, which is NOT a good look for a Bok coach.
Both he and Goosen should have played Currie Cup rugga last weekend, the coming one, and the one that follows…..and if they pulled through, by all means ease them into the Boks home games.
Whatever P Divvy was and wasn’t – he really did care about his players and their wellbeing, emotional and physical.
5 Sep 2012, 12:46 pm
@Hurricane-296: Absolutely.
I’ve said it on here before but he apparently blew the Aussies off the park in their pool loss against Ireland so what did they do…simple…they adapted better to his “style” in that QF against the Boks.
Simple, really.
5 Sep 2012, 12:47 pm
How many more games is dumbass Meyer going to play InSANE Kirschner..??? I cannot watch another game with that useless mofo on the field.
5 Sep 2012, 12:48 pm
@Sharksgirl-301: 2012 Lambie started at 10, then frenchie took over, with Rian , Ludick and Lambie competing for 15 , to be honest Rian was the best at 15
5 Sep 2012, 12:48 pm
@Jeraldjay-304:
Keep a Sour Cane in reserve Jerry.
Just the thing for an emergency.
5 Sep 2012, 12:49 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-306: So pick an 6/7/8 that everyone on this site will agree with.
5 Sep 2012, 12:50 pm
@Atreides-300: I dunno… That worries me.
Alberts 8, Flo 7 and Coetsee 6 is to me the total antithesis of a “balanced” loose trio…
Even Vermeulen (if 100% fit) 8, Alberts 7, Flo 6 is lopsided.
Better may be Vermeulen 8, Coetsee 7 and Flo 6 but that aint gonna happen….
And we are absolutely Fubar if its Vermeulen 8, Alberts 7, Potgieter 6… Fark me, I wouldn’t put that past Meyer at the moment.
Yeah. this is worryng me.
5 Sep 2012, 12:51 pm
@Hurricane-305:
Would you rather have Dawn show up and put you right?
5 Sep 2012, 12:52 pm
@cane-310: Finally, a Kiwi dispensing advice on a topic they’re familiar with.
5 Sep 2012, 12:52 pm
@cane-313:
lol
Fair Call.
5 Sep 2012, 12:53 pm
@cane-310:
We should win it Cane.
But thats what I thought halfway through the second half of the RWC ¼ final…..
We playing you guys on my wife’s b’day……. thats definitely a recipe for disaster.
5 Sep 2012, 12:54 pm
@cane-313:
And?
5 Sep 2012, 12:54 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-306: Now the first 3 paras are exactly what I am farken having a bit of a paddy about at present… Those 2 selections farked the cat for me…
And it worries me… Hopefully its a blip… But I dunno.
Just helluva irrational at the moment.
5 Sep 2012, 12:54 pm
@Jeraldjay-316: Get her a Bok jersey. Problem solved.
5 Sep 2012, 12:55 pm
@Nikita-317: Where you been? We thought Keo had sold you off to a syndicate in Belarus.
5 Sep 2012, 12:56 pm
Out quick.
5 Sep 2012, 12:56 pm
@Heavens Game-321: Broken condom?
5 Sep 2012, 12:57 pm
@katman-320:
We thought. You mean you thought. Speak in first person please. I’ve been around and not around the corner either.
5 Sep 2012, 12:58 pm
@Nikita-323: When I say we I mean I. Everyone knows this.
5 Sep 2012, 12:59 pm
@katman-319:
5 Sep 2012, 12:59 pm
@katman-324:
Have you seen Me,Myself and Irene?
Good movie.
5 Sep 2012, 13:01 pm
@Jeraldjay-325: Along with a nice card, of course, and some fragrant lotion stuff that squirts from a little bottle. Then serve her a romantic brunch in front of the telly.
5 Sep 2012, 13:01 pm
@katman-324:
I know what you mean. We all do
5 Sep 2012, 13:02 pm
@katman-314:
We’ll take advice from you Okes on Cricketing, Trade Unions, and Braai.
You listen to us on Rugby, Distilled Grains and hangi.
5 Sep 2012, 13:05 pm
@cane-329: oh and don’t forget to also advise us on sheep shagging..!!
5 Sep 2012, 13:07 pm
@katman-327:
Funny thing is if I had a rugby mad wife like Pedigree, it would never work.
Me: “Babe’s I’m off to mates to watch the game” with a reply “just hold on honey, I’ll get my jacket”
5 Sep 2012, 13:08 pm
@Rixmaadi-330:
Hey, we dont only shag sheep, but we seem to have a knack at shagging Springboks as well.
5 Sep 2012, 13:09 pm
@Hurricane-326: No, I’ll look out for it.
5 Sep 2012, 13:11 pm
@Nikita-317:
And……………………………………Sorry.
Forgive me.
I didn’t know that you see ALL.
It was a momentary lapse in good taste. Just an observation I should have kept to myself.
I am but human, (barely human I know).
And …………………………………….They are a nice set of earings Niki.
5 Sep 2012, 13:13 pm
***While Marcell Coetzee is not an out-and-out openside he will be expected to outplay Australia’s Michael Hooper at the breakdown.***
this Michael Hooper will have a field day!!
why is Goosen on bench?? – not an impact player. Quite certain this will be Morne last season in Bok 10 jersey
5 Sep 2012, 13:14 pm
@Hurricane-332: Farken Hurricunt…
5 Sep 2012, 13:15 pm
@greatest13gerber-335: let’s hope so. listen, the boy can kick, but bloody hell man, for how long are we going to rely on him kicking us to victory???
5 Sep 2012, 13:16 pm
Wallabies by 12
Boks to score 1 try, max
5 Sep 2012, 13:17 pm
@Nikita-328: Glad we had this chat then.
5 Sep 2012, 13:18 pm
@Heavens Game-336:
My pleasure
5 Sep 2012, 13:18 pm
@Jeraldjay-316: @katman-327:
Just make sure the romantic lunch is all ready to go before the haka starts.
5 Sep 2012, 13:18 pm
@willievz-338:
Yoh Willie…
It definitely will be closer than that.
5 Sep 2012, 13:19 pm
@Hurricane-332: Yep, thats true, you guys would bang your own mothers.
5 Sep 2012, 13:20 pm
@katman-319:
No dont do that. If you buy here a Bok Jersey, what you are saying is that you are 3rd.
Buy her an AB jersey, then she will know that she is #1
5 Sep 2012, 13:20 pm
@cane-341: Round here we view the Haka as part of the ad break. So this is when you butter the toast and squeeze the orange juice.
5 Sep 2012, 13:21 pm
@willievz-338: That’ll be the farken day, coach Willie… What, you also succumbing like Heyneke to the madness?
No cuzzie… Not that bad, surely…
5 Sep 2012, 13:21 pm
@Rixmaadi-330:
First piece of advice Rix.
Velcro gloves.
They are not essential, but all good players have them.
5 Sep 2012, 13:22 pm
@Rixmaadi-343:
hmmm dont know if you are using the internet correctly, this is a rugby blog.
Fetishes and Taboo sites are probably on the next line on your favourites.
5 Sep 2012, 13:25 pm
He’s new around here.
5 Sep 2012, 13:26 pm
@Hurricane-348: You are very close, my next favourite is actually banging your sister in the shower and having a snack.
5 Sep 2012, 13:28 pm
If we play kick and chase rugby again on Saturday I swear I will not watch another damn bok game this year. Demoralising uninspiring dreary cold pudding rugby.
5 Sep 2012, 13:29 pm
@katman-345:
ad break or addictive viewing………………………………….it makes no difference.
Your Romantic lunch should be on the friggen plate by now……….full stop!
Time is critical at this point, remember you stiill have to knock the top off a castle ale, get to your lazy boy, and pop up the foot rest.
I do hope Jerry is taking all this in.
5 Sep 2012, 13:29 pm
@Rixmaadi-350:
lol
The force is strong with this one.
But i have no sister so sorry man, just keep practising on your own……player.
5 Sep 2012, 13:29 pm
@cane-347: Thanks mate, I’ll keep that in mind. Tell me, is it compulsory to stick a photo of that overweight Weepu on Sheila the sheep’s back or is that also optional..?
5 Sep 2012, 13:30 pm
@Hurricane-353: Ah, must have been your mother then. Apologies.
5 Sep 2012, 13:30 pm
@logie_Jumpbuck-337:
Good question!
I also think Jano Vermark should have being given a go – as unknown quality . could have unsettled Aussies
5 Sep 2012, 13:32 pm
Rixmaadi we’ve heard them all before, do you have any new material?
5 Sep 2012, 13:32 pm
@Rixmaadi-350:
I see you are here to raise standards.
good start.
5 Sep 2012, 13:33 pm
@Rixmaadi-355:
Dont apologise, she said you were the worse shes ever had.
Anyway, these sister and mother things seems a bit childish. If you are a minor
i understand but will not play your weird game. If you are in fact an adult…….
hmmmm no you are a minor.
5 Sep 2012, 13:33 pm
@Rixmaadi-354: did you jackroll her or was it a corrective scenario?
did you make her shower afterwards so she wouldnt catch your bad aids?
5 Sep 2012, 13:34 pm
@Rixmaadi-355: why dont we leave family out of this?
5 Sep 2012, 13:34 pm
@Rixmaadi-354: @Rixmaadi-355: Originality: 0. Humour: 0. Cringeworthiness: 10.
So you think you can dance?
5 Sep 2012, 13:34 pm
@NZINCHINA-357: How about this one: A South African and a Kiwi walked into a bar……..then the South African banged the Kiwi’s mother.
5 Sep 2012, 13:35 pm
Is he related to Fern.
5 Sep 2012, 13:35 pm
@rangerman-361:
agree
etiquette around me is very bad…reminds me of CT
5 Sep 2012, 13:35 pm
@Rixmaadi-354:
Whatever you are into Rix.
Just let your inhibitions run wild.
5 Sep 2012, 13:35 pm
@poppa69-360: “bad aids”?
there is a good kind?
anyways nice to see you are still determined to stick to the moral high ground my cullart friend
5 Sep 2012, 13:36 pm
@cane-352:
Hope you show some respect and give us the Kapo O Pango.
The Boks did win the last encounter…..
5 Sep 2012, 13:36 pm
Not bad, what else you got.
5 Sep 2012, 13:36 pm
@greatest13gerber-365:
“reminds me of CT”
a true gerber classic.
5 Sep 2012, 13:37 pm
Farken Haka’s… An ode to a bit of longpig nosh… Wonder what pakehas like Reechie and the Franks brothers must think when they doing the jig while the maori are busy whipping up a hunger frenzy…?
Thats it… I figured it out… I figured out the advantage gained out of the Haka…
All them AB brownjobs are driven by hunger…
While the AB pakeha are driven by fear of landing up with apple in mouth served in front of Piri Piri Weepu after the game…
Come to think of it… Where’s Jimmy Cowan gone?
5 Sep 2012, 13:37 pm
@Rixmaadi-363:
lol
Look i know you are trying man but lets move on please, mothers,sister etc not the place
5 Sep 2012, 13:38 pm
@Heavens Game-371: haha, piri swallowed him but he didnt taste so good so piri keeps trying to air his tongue out.
5 Sep 2012, 13:38 pm
@rangerman-367: That’s our Giulietta. No matter where the conversation was going, he’ll find a way to work in some AIDS comment. I can just imagine the dinnertime conversation in the Giulietta household.
5 Sep 2012, 13:38 pm
@cane-334:
Thanks Cane. They are originals too. I’m glad you have taste.
@katman-339:
I’m glad you are glad Katman. Nothing gives me more joy.
5 Sep 2012, 13:38 pm
Got a good feeling for this team, specially when goosen comes on in second half
5 Sep 2012, 13:39 pm
It is better to let Vermeulen start than bring him on as a sub. That way the coach can see how long he will last and then sub him when necessary.
5 Sep 2012, 13:39 pm
@NZINCHINA-364:
You think Rix might be “Fernly of the Damned”.
…………………………………….I think you may be right.
8)
5 Sep 2012, 13:40 pm
nothing wrong with a bit of kiwi bashing.
one of my favourite pastimes actually.
but there are limits.
because at the end of the dasy we are all one big rugby family (not poops obviously, but you get my point).
5 Sep 2012, 13:41 pm
@rangerman-373: Sheezus…
5 Sep 2012, 13:42 pm
@katman-374: aids and cancer and all other dread diseases are not banter.
neither are rape and murder.
but poops has had his moral compass spun out of whack.
i hope he gets back on track sometime because deep deep deep down he is just a fragile little flower looking for a bit of sunshine.
5 Sep 2012, 13:42 pm
HM should watch more CC rugby. Willie le Roux was sublime last weekend. He is the kind of playmaker the Boks need.
5 Sep 2012, 13:42 pm
Cut from the same cloth Caner.
5 Sep 2012, 13:43 pm
@Jeraldjay-342: @Heavens Game-346:
History – 6 losses in last 7
Long flight
Inability to score tries
I think we will find it very difficult on Saturday.
The only slight positive I can think about is that we are playing in Perth, where we have a good record of late.
5 Sep 2012, 13:43 pm
@Nikita-375: You are a good sport, Nikita.
5 Sep 2012, 13:44 pm
@Nikita-375:
originals…………………………………………………………………….they are gems.
.
.
.
those earings of yours.
5 Sep 2012, 13:44 pm
@rangerman-379: Yeah… 100%
Such a pity with Knobber69 that its “everytime a coconut”…
Otherwise Keo’s one big happy blogging version of family games…
5 Sep 2012, 13:44 pm
@rangerman-379:
Imagine if that Sharky ref gave a penalty to France in the dying seconds of the final.
Things would be sooo different.
5 Sep 2012, 13:45 pm
@Heavens Game-380: apparently after swallowing jimmy piri was arrested at a roadblock for DUI.
ok that ones maybe a bit bordeline.
5 Sep 2012, 13:46 pm
Blue-blinkers on the Boks?
2012-09-05 11:53
Perth – According to the majority of Sport24 readers, Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer has sent out a clear message with his selection policy: If you don’t perform you will be dropped – unless you’re a Blue Bull…
Lwazi Mvovo, Andries Bekker and Keegan Daniel have all felt the wrath of Heyneke Meyer’s axe after some indifferent performances in the Bok jersey, while Francois Hougaard, Morné Steyn and Zane Kirchner have been given another chance to shine.
Jacques Potgieter was the one notable exception, as the blindside flank dropped out of the match 22 entirely after failing to make an impact against Argentina in the 16-all draw in Mendoza.
Here’s what Sport24 readers had to say about Meyer’s team to face the Wallabies:
“Mvovu is a way better wing than Hougaard.” – Kenny van Rensburg
“Guess who will sit on the bench without a game – for the third time in a row. if Heyneke has no faith in Patrick Lambie, tell him so he can get on with his career. A gifted player being left to wither. Not good.” – Milner x Erlank
“My thoughts would be to play Pat Lambie at fullback who is a more dynamic and consistent performer as well as a mature player in that position. As soon as Zane puts on the Springbok Jersey he seems to be overwhelmed and un settled, whereas Pat is comfortable and settled.” – Gary Denham
“Not a bad team. Just don`t know why HM is so into Zane and Flip. They are NOT Bok material!” – Jacques
“If Bekker gets drop from the match 22 for such a horrific performance against Argentina, then why the hell is Morne Steyn still there. Kirchner as well.” – Alex Radford
“Ruan at scrummie is going to change Morne Steyn’s performance, as Ruan has a quicker pass.” – Zane Blignaut
“I think that Bekker deserved to be dropped after a poor performance, but it is the continued presence of Morne Steyn that is driving me nuts. What the hell does Lambie still need to do to get a chance?” – TravieGrif
“Looks like Bekker is bearing the brunt for the last performance.” – John.Comyn18
“I think Mvovo has been really unlucky to lose his place to Hougaard. I think that it is poor management and giving Hougaard more chances than he deserves. Mvovo looked dangerous every time he attacked, and yet he is dropped to the bench, where Hougaard, who is arguably one of the most devastating impact players in the world starts. I would swap those two and give Mvovo the start.” – TG
“Look, I have to agree with Bekker getting dropped. This is the national side and no place to find form. Which brings me to the double standards of why first Spies before his injury and now Morne are being given so many chances? Consistency is all I ask.” – Jason
“Very happy about Duane’s selection but why, oh why Flip van der Merwe?” – lionell.kemm9
“But Bekker would’ve been better off the bench. What totally out of the 22, and to be replaced by Flippie, nogal?” – sulaiman.galant7
“What ‘favours’ did Two-step Hougaard do for Heineken? He is useless, even at wing. And Turnstile Steyn? Kruger? Kirchner? Heineken, is that blou bril of yours letting any light through?” – chris.in.oz1
“How can Bekker be the fall guy for a poor team performance that starter in the 21st minute vs England and continued ever since.” – caravan.bulls
“HM is rewarding the poor form of his Bulls buddies while dropping non-Bulls at will! Kirchner? Morne? Flip? This has to be a joke! HM rewards his Bulls mates while leaving talented players like Lambie and Mvovo on the bench. I’m losing all respect for this guy. He seems just as clueless as Divvy…” – Malcolm86
5 Sep 2012, 13:46 pm
What a shame Rix left so suddenly.
5 Sep 2012, 13:47 pm
@rangerman-389:
hahaha
But i think FS seems more over weight than Piri.
Lets do some jokes about him
5 Sep 2012, 13:48 pm
Jerry we’d still be the best in the world nothing would have changed there.
5 Sep 2012, 13:49 pm
@Hurricane-391: No mate, still here. Just showing your mother to the door quick.
5 Sep 2012, 13:49 pm
@cane-386:
Yes of course.@katman-385:
Sport has always been my passion Katman. I know what you mean though. We all do.
5 Sep 2012, 13:49 pm
@willievz-384: Yeah… A difficult one, no doubt, but 12 points…?
If that is the case then Heyneke aint felt real pressure yet.
Pressure now? Fark me, if the Boks take a 12 point loss to an injury ravaged Wobblies while scoring only one try, then he will know what pressure is really about…
5 Sep 2012, 13:50 pm
Hurri don’t go there he’s untouchable, done fark all since 07 but he still world class and rated as the best 12 on the planet, not sure why though.
5 Sep 2012, 13:51 pm
@rangerman-379:
Yeah…………………………………………………….we love you too Dangerman.
Not all the time.
.
.
Not most of the time.
.
.
hardly ever in fact.
.
.
.
but sometimes……………………………………………just sometimes…………………………………………..we do feel the love.
5 Sep 2012, 13:51 pm
The Boks are the underdogs at 3:2 (meaning you’ll get a R3 Back for each R2 of your wager), in other words, a Boks’ victory will be a mild surprise
Mvovo and Goosen on the bench will hurt, the Wallabies are going a 5:2 bench split and the Boks might need an extra forward.
M. Styen and Kirchner will produce their damage, they almost always do, seemed HM doesn’t believe in getting things right from the start, must be an ardent believer in the saying that “it got to get worse before it may (ever) get better”
5 Sep 2012, 13:51 pm
@NZINCHINA-393:
Ja but would Ted have been knighted.
5 Sep 2012, 13:52 pm
@Rixmaadi-394:
oh boy kids these days.
5 Sep 2012, 13:52 pm
weres katgirl with his moral compass? seems he didnt like Skop mentioning his family, but hasnt uttered a word about rix..
double standards? from the rainbow nations self appointed guardian of all thats morally wonderful? surely not…
5 Sep 2012, 13:52 pm
@rangerman-389:
LMAO… Watch out… Knobblet is raging…
Gonna possibly be a couple AIDS bombs coming your way now… plus a bit of life of crime and maybe a lifetime of oppression thrown in for free…
5 Sep 2012, 13:52 pm
i think it is fern, playing games.
5 Sep 2012, 13:53 pm
@Hurricane-392: He only weighs a lot more because he’s about 2 and a half times as tall as piri piri.
Seriously though, Wepu looks like he’s a good few wee poos behind. How does that work, with all the training they supposedly do?
5 Sep 2012, 13:53 pm
@cane-398: awww shucks cane
5 Sep 2012, 13:54 pm
@poppa69-402:
honestly, why dont you just phukkoff…
5 Sep 2012, 13:55 pm
@poppa69-402: What you blabbing about, Giulietta? I told Skoppie to lay off my family, which he duly did. This Rix bloke is not my concern.
Now let’s see if you can work in a couple of Aids jokes and a rape or two into your bitchy reply.
5 Sep 2012, 13:56 pm
but you wont
will you
no sir
5 Sep 2012, 13:57 pm
@Nikita-395:
Thank you for not banning me.
Ig would have.
5 Sep 2012, 13:57 pm
@poppa69-402: Fark… Thats disappointing…
No rape?
No AIDS?
No Murder?
No mention of Dutchies?
I reckon you may be mellowing, Fatty…
Must be them new pills you taking.
5 Sep 2012, 13:57 pm
@Hurricane-401:
in case you missed it, buddy:
219.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
5 Sep 2012, 13:50 pm
@Hurricane-212:
hehehe
you just dont give up do you.
so he’s coached them for five years and won two crappy six nations titles against the 4,5,6,7, 9 and 11th best teams in world rugby? big deal.
wales is still lower than england and france on the rankings table.. so much for their two titles.
you know the 3nations is between the three best teams in world rugby for only like the last 100 years (exasperated smiley).
you know and i know why they finished higher than us at the last wc (rolling eyes smiley).
i think his ratio is 50% or just below.
by all means count those two bit countries if it gives credence to your argument.
5 Sep 2012, 13:57 pm
@Nikita-395: That’s most uncanny, the way you understand me.
5 Sep 2012, 13:57 pm
@katman-405:
lol. Kat a fat gut is a fat gut, no matter how tall you are.
5 Sep 2012, 13:59 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-362:
5 Sep 2012, 14:00 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-412:
lol
So you think Scotland and Italy dont count as international wins??
Oh boy, didnt scotland beat you a few years ago??
Seems like they are worthy contenders for international status.
Gve up Bakkies, you have no respect.
5 Sep 2012, 14:01 pm
@cane-410:
you’re not worth banning, caner
you are in fact a poor excuse for a kiwi
judging by pooper’s standard.
5 Sep 2012, 14:03 pm
@Hurricane-414: Come on, I think we both know the difference between Steyn’s physique and Wepu’s signature waist wobble. Like chalk and cheeseburgers.
5 Sep 2012, 14:05 pm
@katman-413:
As Mae said; “A hard man is good to find”
5 Sep 2012, 14:06 pm
@katman-418:
Look at Steyn 5 years ago and now look at him.
I know you like picking on Weepu but at least acknowledge that Steyn a carrying a gut and is not in tip top shape at all.
5 Sep 2012, 14:06 pm
@cane-410:
in fact i’d say you need to up your game, big guy.
lay that bottling yarn on me again
@Hurricane-416:
thats a 50 percenter, hurri
serious question though, its just occured to me that kiwi coaches do not in fact do as well internationally as they do at home, why is that?
honest thoughts? no baiting.
5 Sep 2012, 14:08 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-417:
So I’m not even worth banning now Bakkies!!!!!!!.
I know I’m not the Angry Late Middle Aged Man I once was.
but I still have some pride.
5 Sep 2012, 14:09 pm
I’m so sick of Kirtchner. He’s probably the worst test fullback in the world and so totally boring and one dimensional. Zero pedigree or calibre and along with Morne the most mediocre, uninspiring rugby player you could ever see. ALL the other test rugby nations have great ball playing fullbacks that add value to their team.
NZ- Dagg
Australia- Beale
England- Foden
Ireland- Kearney
Wales- Halfpenny
Scotland- Hogg
Argentina- Amorosino
Italy- McLean
A proud rugby nation like South Africa has a guy like Zane Kirtchner? WTF?
To go from Joubert and Percy Montogmery and having guys available like Willie Le Roux and Lambie we’re selecting Zane Kirtchner? How many caps is Meyer going to give him?
5 Sep 2012, 14:09 pm
@Nikita-419: Where is that blushy smiley thingy when you need one?
5 Sep 2012, 14:11 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-412:
@Hurricane-416:
Only the results against top 5 countries in Union count,
For the Boks it means the ABs, Wallabies, France, Poms and Wales
Losing to the next 3 Ireland, Agentina and Scotland should count double, victories do not count
It means among other things that PdV had 24% success during the 2010-2011 period!
Check the record!
5 Sep 2012, 14:13 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-421:
I really dont know.
But Gatland has done really well with the Welsh team i believe.
Maybe our style of rugby is not for all teams or countries.
Its really hard to put a finger on it.
5 Sep 2012, 14:13 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-421: strange
“its just occured to me that kiwi coaches do not in fact do as well internationally as they do at home”
they currently own the following
the CC title
3Ns title
The WC
The Six nations
The Super Rugby title
heineken Cup (Josef Schmidt)
keep talking bakkies…
5 Sep 2012, 14:13 pm
@katman-424:
Try Long Street after 10.
5 Sep 2012, 14:13 pm
@Hurricane-420: They Steyn playing for the Boks now is a far cry from the porky who just stepped off the plane from Paris. He was seriously out of shape after a couple of season with Racing Metro, but he’s shed most of that.
In fact, most international players who go to France end up looking like a butter croissant after 6 months.
5 Sep 2012, 14:16 pm
@katman-429:
5 Sep 2012, 14:17 pm
@poppa69-427:
lol
Well that answers it i must say.
5 Sep 2012, 14:17 pm
@katman-429: True, he’s looking slimmer, but I think he’s far from top shape.
5 Sep 2012, 14:17 pm
@Nikita-428: Cool. How will I recognise you?
5 Sep 2012, 14:18 pm
@poppa69-427:
add to that the:
-IRB World 7′s.
5 Sep 2012, 14:20 pm
@katman-433:
A good firm set of earings.
You will know katman………………….you will know.
5 Sep 2012, 14:21 pm
@cane-435: I think the collective noun you’re looking for is “pair”.
5 Sep 2012, 14:23 pm
@cane-422:
age is a cheap beetch, caner
she’ll nail every one of us all
at no extra cost
:lo:
5 Sep 2012, 14:25 pm
5 Sep 2012, 14:28 pm
@Hondo-425:
oh hondo, you have your cake and you eat it.
and you never get enough.
@Hurricane-426:
the psychology of success..?..
look at oz, nz and sa over the last 100 years.
it certainly is one to think about.
5 Sep 2012, 14:37 pm
@poppa69-427:
oh pops, you make a fair point, why stretch it?
1. the cc against third string sa sides does not count.
2. the 3n’s was a humdinger and well deserved.
3. the wc does not count (you know the reason but also because it was a kiwi at home).
4. the six nations while they played some good rugby was really there for wales due to a rebuilding england team/coach and the usual unpredictable french showing.
5. again, the super rugby tiltle does not count cos its a kiwi at home win (and a dirty one to boot).
6. the heineken cup is a deserved effort like the 3n’s.
so there it is then:
1 3n’s
1 heineken cup.
5 Sep 2012, 14:39 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-440: so 95 doesnt count? so the Bulls 3 super titles dont count?
keep shifting the goalposts mate..
they are International competitions…
5 Sep 2012, 14:40 pm
@Spiesisworthless1-423: “A proud rugby nation like South Africa has a guy like Zane Kirtchner? WTF?”
5 Sep 2012, 14:44 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-440:
Sorry Bakkies, but pops is right. There is no way we have any SA coaches of the quality that NZ has.
Go on admit it. The truth will set you free.
5 Sep 2012, 14:46 pm
So Mvovo has to make way for “look at me, I’m so good I’m the no.1 scrum half and the no. 1right wing at the same time” Hougaard
BULLSHIT!!!
5 Sep 2012, 14:47 pm
@TooMuchRugby-443: careful, agreeing with me is akin to putting the noose around your own neck..
5 Sep 2012, 14:55 pm
@TooMuchRugby-443: I think you missed the point, What Bakkies was askin was howcome, a good successful Kiwi coach in NZ seem to battle when coaching foreigners away from NZ. Hence the wins at home don’t count, because that was never part of the equasion. Henry was coaching Kiwis at home, Deans excellent coach in NZ battling in Oz etc.
5 Sep 2012, 15:05 pm
@poppa69-441:
no you idiot, i’m saying a kiwi winning at home does not count. this point was about kiwi’s coaching better at home than internationally.
5 Sep 2012, 15:09 pm
@TooMuchRugby-443:
ja, but not the point tmr.
@Sharksgirl-446:
can i get a hallelujah, thank you sharksgirl.
5 Sep 2012, 15:19 pm
@Sharksgirl-446:
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-448:
Well if you say it like that……
But who’s the “etc”. I can only think of Deans that’s struggling, and thats more because of personnel than anything else
5 Sep 2012, 15:20 pm
Jano Vermark?????
what is Meyer going give him a start?
very underrated player
5 Sep 2012, 15:20 pm
To be fair to Deans any coach that has to play against the Ab’s 4 times every year is farked, his record against the rest is good, against the Bokke outstanding.
5 Sep 2012, 15:22 pm
At some stage the Bokke will have a NZ coach, if you want to be the best you need the best coaches.
5 Sep 2012, 15:24 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-440:
If you’re saying cc and 6n doesn’t count, I think you’re clutching at straws. In both cases these coaches brought a refreshing (and rewarding) new style of play to these comps that really injected some new life in both these comps. Wales was also vere refeshing at the world cup. If only we could follow suite and appoint a more enterprising coach (not necesarily NZ), we wouldn’t be stuck in the dark ages like we are.
5 Sep 2012, 15:29 pm
TMR Bakkies will never admit it on this forum too much pride but he knows.
5 Sep 2012, 15:30 pm
Funny how some people talk about “the home leg,”…. “the eoyt,”….”next world cup” as the time to measure the team now. When Meyer was announced as coach, his supporters believed that he would coach the Boks to an unbeaten home record, 90% win record in Europe and about 60% win record in the RC.
What happened to that?
5 Sep 2012, 15:33 pm
@TooMuchRugby-449:
kiwi coaches havn’t exactly turned international rugby on its head though have they?
kirwan poor
gatland poor to mediocre
henry poor
mitchell poor to pathetic
deans mediocre ‘to almost out of a job’
are ones that come to mind.
5 Sep 2012, 15:34 pm
will never happen china
5 Sep 2012, 15:35 pm
@TooMuchRugby-449: Sorry TMR I was only repeating what Bakkies was actually asking, I don’t keep track of Kiwi coaches at all, the only one I am interested in is Plum
5 Sep 2012, 15:36 pm
@nama1-444: With you there… 100%
5 Sep 2012, 15:36 pm
inevitable my friend only a matter of time
5 Sep 2012, 15:36 pm
@TooMuchRugby-453:
he won a watered down cc void of any big hitter personnel and has been poor elswhere.
there is a case to be made in wales’ regard true, but then just look at his win ration?
5 Sep 2012, 15:37 pm
@Sharksgirl-458:
and how’s he been doing?
5 Sep 2012, 15:39 pm
please, i would slice my ballsack the day that happened,, if it ever happened.
becasue it never will happen.
sa plays an honest but hard brand of rugby which no single kiwi is in keeping with.
5 Sep 2012, 15:39 pm
@TooMuchRugby-449: Gatland ain’t struggling – if one is doing international comparisons for Kiwi coaches.
Deans could possibly be one of those coaches, who is brilliant…but with his ceiling being provincial rugga – super rugby – like Heyneke
I don’t believe that though, I believe Robbie Deans is struggling because of player discipline(no-one can out ill discipline Aussie players….and they can’t be dropped – because in Deans’s case, there really IS no other player to replace a Beale for example), player injuries depleting an already shallow pool….etc etc. Then again, Robbie Deans and the Wallabies havefucked us up enough over the last few years, which means he can’t be a total washout
@Sharksgirl-446: @i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-447: Kiwi coaches are the best in the world, IMHO, and have the silverware to show for it. Deans is not the only yardstick for Kiwi’s overseas…look at Warren G. (and see above, Deans ain’t half bad….)
5 Sep 2012, 15:43 pm
thing is, if Saffa coaches currently held all the trophies I mentioned earlier, bakkies would have no doubts that they were the best… the fact so many nations employ kiwi coaches irks his xenophobic hatred of anything NZ..
therein lies the conundrum..
5 Sep 2012, 15:49 pm
@nama1-455:
Reality has a way of fuckingup even the nicest dreams…..
5 Sep 2012, 15:49 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-462: I’ll leave that unanswered
I do believe in giving credit where it is due, once he recognised that his game plan didn’t work and left MJ at home he did get us to the final. However if it had taken him just 3-4 games less to figure it out we would not have had the gruelling travel itenerary that we had! and my biggest beef I have with Plum is his lack of belief in hiring a head (head as in kop) coach for the Sharks, when clearly its what is needed at the Sharks, how can we thrash a team like the Bulls and Stormers and then go and lose to the minnows? etc. and Like Meyer it seems, he will stick with a player through loyalty and the player needs to almost score a try for the oposing team before he gets replaced read MJ, MB, while there are promising youngsters such as Jordaan waiting in the wings 
5 Sep 2012, 15:51 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-464:
agree to disagree then.
@poppa69-465:
i do not hate all things nz pops, i’ve told you this before..?..
i deeply dislike ‘to the point of contempt’ the dishonest, low, cheap shot style of rugby you play that’s all. its ruining agreat game as spectacle and so many possible classics for matches gone dwon the tubes.
5 Sep 2012, 15:53 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-456: C’mon Bakkies. I would sell my soul to the Bulls to have Gatland, Henry, Deans, Kirwan, Smith, Rennie and co involved in SA rugby in any way, shape or form.
5 Sep 2012, 15:57 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-468: yes Bakkies, we can agree to disagree
5 Sep 2012, 15:57 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-469:
Calm down Ruckles.
Nobody is at the Bulls is interested in your soul.
5 Sep 2012, 15:59 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-464: @The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-464: I think you may be right, only I don’t really follow NH rugby (if I could get hold of the remote I might just do that too) so I don’t feel knowledgeable enough to make a statement in that regard, and SH rugby didn’t count according to the question that Bakkies was asking. I always liked Deanes when he was at the Saders, and yes I agree with you irt Ozzie discipline, look how badly they have rubbed off onto Pops
I certainly wouldn’t be upset if Henry came to coach the Boks.
5 Sep 2012, 16:00 pm
I’ll hold you to that.
5 Sep 2012, 16:01 pm
@Sharksgirl-472: oops sorry Henry was meant to read as Deanes freudian slip?
5 Sep 2012, 16:03 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-468: maybe its the gulf in class between the Abs and Boks that is causing the loss of “classic” matches as you say..
5 Sep 2012, 16:06 pm
@poppa69-475: Speaking of gulf in class…
5 Sep 2012, 16:07 pm
@gunther-471: Would give it to them for free, and even wear those satanic little horns for a week….if it guaranteed a few of those Kiwi names in our coaching ranks…..
C’mon Gunther….don’t be like Morkel now, no balls and all and all. How good would a few of those Kiwis be for SA rugby…
5 Sep 2012, 16:08 pm
Pops is back for more.
Why am I not surprised
5 Sep 2012, 16:08 pm
@katman-476: hilarious…
too funny, but then I guess you know all about gulf in class, its why your leeus-ers wont be playing Suepr rugby next year..
5 Sep 2012, 16:10 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-477:
We’re still not interested in your soul my angel.
Only how you fill out a bikini.
5 Sep 2012, 16:10 pm
@poppa69-479: Unrelated and unfunny. A dreadful combination.
5 Sep 2012, 16:11 pm
I seem to have read most of this yesterday.
Deja vu
Except the part where Katman is gonna voel Joanne’s earrings later.
That’s new.
5 Sep 2012, 16:12 pm
477 11 tri nations and 11 super titles to Sa’s 3 says it would be outstanding for SA rugby, its happening already though, Plum, Mitchell and the Kings coach.
5 Sep 2012, 16:12 pm
@gunther-480:
Have you ever seen a pubikini?
5 Sep 2012, 16:12 pm
@katman-476:
Poeps Gulf is all class.
It’s got tinted windows and a canon on the bonnet.
And a box of tissues on the back shelf.
5 Sep 2012, 16:13 pm
@katman-481: agin youd know, youre the expert on unrelated unfunnies..
5 Sep 2012, 16:13 pm
There goes the neighbourhood
5 Sep 2012, 16:14 pm
@gunther-480:
You should be, at least there be some soul there. There certainly ain’t any in the way you play rugby.
5 Sep 2012, 16:14 pm
@gunther-485:
He’s more resilient nowadays
Yesterday was almost-meltdown
Today he’s back with the same posts from yesterday.
5 Sep 2012, 16:15 pm
@Dawn-489: and still, my rancid bait attracts the same “big fish”, without fail, without delay, always..
more fool me huh?
5 Sep 2012, 16:16 pm
@Sharksgirl-467:
yes, he did leave late to give the sharks any real chance.
considering his overall coaching history i think its fair to he’s poor to mediocre and should come up for a serious review irrespective of the sharks making this years super final.
5 Sep 2012, 16:16 pm
@Dawn-482: Hey, I’m not too picky. I’ll rate anyone’s earrings.
Pedigree, do you have a nice pair?
5 Sep 2012, 16:17 pm
@TooMuchRugby-488:
Whatever you say Dorothy.
5 Sep 2012, 16:17 pm
@poppa69-490:
Rancid indeed
5 Sep 2012, 16:18 pm
@gunther-480: Oh well, if the Bulls don’t want my soul, I will have to try selling it to the devil…..I’ll let you know if Brian van Zyl and his Sharks crew are more receptive.
Whatever it takes
@NZINCHINA-483: You are preaching to the converted.
5 Sep 2012, 16:18 pm
@poppa69-490: Your tackle is rancid? I’d have that looked at.
5 Sep 2012, 16:18 pm
@Dawn-482:
Indeed.
He’s working on the matching necklace.
5 Sep 2012, 16:19 pm
@Dawn-494: oh look, seems I have one on the line at the moment
5 Sep 2012, 16:19 pm
And who’s this new eedjit with this sister fixation
5 Sep 2012, 16:19 pm
a triple hook up now, excellent…
5 Sep 2012, 16:20 pm
On the Bakkies coaching scale how would you rate Mallets performance as the Italian coach?
5 Sep 2012, 16:20 pm
@poppa69-500:
Are the bloggers here the only people you talk to?
5 Sep 2012, 16:21 pm
@gunther-497:
I didn’t know she wore pearl earrings?
Mind you, she does look a bit like the model in Vermeer’s masterpiece.
5 Sep 2012, 16:22 pm
@WP-Forever-484:
It sounds like something Poep would wear to the Turkish Baths.
5 Sep 2012, 16:22 pm
@gunther-504:
You might be thinking of a zerokini…
5 Sep 2012, 16:23 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-469:
as assistants at super level and no further. at worst short term consultancy jobs as assistants at national level. let them give their input and no more.
@poppa69-475:
no…. its the dirty stuff…
of that i’m certain…
5 Sep 2012, 16:23 pm
@Dawn-489: Any attention is better than no attention.
5 Sep 2012, 16:23 pm
@WP-Forever-503:
So what is a pub kini
5 Sep 2012, 16:24 pm
@WP-Forever-503: Think a pearl necklace would suit her…
5 Sep 2012, 16:24 pm
@Atreides-507:
Hence my question
5 Sep 2012, 16:24 pm
That’s it the ginger’s out.
5 Sep 2012, 16:24 pm
@Dawn-508:
Google it.
5 Sep 2012, 16:24 pm
Morkel gets Bairstow’s wicket. 79/3
5 Sep 2012, 16:25 pm
@WP-Forever-512:
No
You tell me
5 Sep 2012, 16:26 pm
@Dawn-502: not at all, theres my psychologist, the man who injects my sedatives, god, jebus, buddha, the homeless man that cleans my shoes, the list is endless..
how many more times are you going to bite?
5 Sep 2012, 16:26 pm
@gunther-511:
Initially didn’t realise you were talking about cricket…
5 Sep 2012, 16:27 pm
@Dawn-514: “…a bathing suit in the form of a tiny V-shaped fabric strip meant to expose pubic hair…” *
* according to The Internet.
5 Sep 2012, 16:28 pm
about as good as kirwan’s if not better.
no
in fact better
5 Sep 2012, 16:28 pm
Duminy gets Morgan.
5 Sep 2012, 16:28 pm
with the addition of Atreides thats four now champing at the bit, relax guys, you’ll all get a turn..
5 Sep 2012, 16:28 pm
@poppa69-515:
I’m just getting started
5 Sep 2012, 16:29 pm
Lovely captaincy from ABieber de Villiers.
5 Sep 2012, 16:30 pm
@poppa69-515:
see that’s where the split personality thing trips you up.
you are the homeless man cleaning your shoes
5 Sep 2012, 16:30 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-518: this would be John Kirwan who took japan to a win in the Pacific nations cup, against teams like Samoa, Tonga and Fiji, teams SA seem to struggle with at the WC?
ok then, keep telling us Bakkies… your argument is S O L I D
5 Sep 2012, 16:30 pm
@poppa69-520: No one’s champing at your rancid bits, Giulietta. Probably just itchy.
5 Sep 2012, 16:31 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-523: thanks, your bite now makes it 5..
all with year old rancid bait..
LMFAO
5 Sep 2012, 16:32 pm
@katman-525: bait = bits? really?
haha back to remedial English for you chump..
5 Sep 2012, 16:32 pm
@poppa69-524:
who has samoa, tonga or fiji beaten lately?
besides he asked about italy?
5 Sep 2012, 16:33 pm
@NZINCHINA-501: Mallet was in a pretty similar
position with the Italians as to what Deans is in now. Limited options, but granted Deans has a lot more talent at his disposal.
We have already seen what Mallet can do with a decent player pool….the only SA coach I would want close to the Bok team…
5 Sep 2012, 16:34 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-528: Samoa beat Aussie, something South Africa hasnt done for quite a while..
this really isnt looking good for you bakkies, being beaten by Poppa online..
eish..
5 Sep 2012, 16:35 pm
@poppa69-526:
try not to lose it though, pops
lets make this fun without having to walk away concerned about you mental health state.
5 Sep 2012, 16:37 pm
breath bud
breath
5 Sep 2012, 16:38 pm
No doubt Vermeulen’s impact in 40 minutes will be way better than Spies’s impact over 40 tests, but is this the best way to introduce him to test rugby??
Saw him in Currie Cup and he’s currently way off the pace! Don’t want another Bekker situation where fans are deriding an injured player for “poor form”
5 Sep 2012, 16:39 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-531: ohhh got me there, but I do like the way you have tried to deflect from the fact that your argument re NZ coaches is poor, you even state youd have NZ consultants?
thanks for your admission Bakkies, didnt hurt too much to say it did it?
5 Sep 2012, 16:40 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-532:
the word is “breathe” mate..
5 Sep 2012, 16:41 pm
So Bakkies Mallet was poor then?
5 Sep 2012, 16:43 pm
@NZINCHINA-536: careful, hes worried about my mental state, but we should be more concerned for his..
how is he going to be able to face all his tough, strong, warrior South African brothers with them knowing he got owned by that loony “should be in the funny farm” Poppa?
hes got the shrivel factor and he hasnt even been swimming..
5 Sep 2012, 16:44 pm
@poppa69-534:
it was to make the nice lady happy.
i dont for a minute believe it will ever, ever happen.
and in my heart of hearts i feel good about that.
@poppa69-535:
seriously..?
seriously..?.
oh gawd
5 Sep 2012, 16:45 pm
It must be late there china.
Been a long day on keo for you.
5 Sep 2012, 16:46 pm
if it gets us to agree that kiwi coaches are far less succesfull, if at all successful, internationally than they are at home then yes.
my question was why is that?
5 Sep 2012, 16:46 pm
For future reference, he’s has an apostrophe. Getting it wrong twice means you simply don’t know.
5 Sep 2012, 16:47 pm
poppa’s correcting english now
5 Sep 2012, 16:47 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-538: I’ll go now mate, let you regroup so you can continue your argument re the poor quality of NZ coaches..
Im going to see if I can collate pictures of all the trophies NZ coaches currently hold, all over the world..
might take a while..
5 Sep 2012, 16:47 pm
I’m just after some consistency Pops in the Bakkies coach rating scale.
5 Sep 2012, 16:50 pm
@katman-541: is it anything like getting “bits” from bait? or was that trying to be funny again?
I see the same fish are still biting..
5 Sep 2012, 16:50 pm
@poppa69-543: Which would make it your most exciting Wednesday night in years. Have fun now.
5 Sep 2012, 16:51 pm
And Faf gets Cook – caught and bowled.
5 Sep 2012, 16:52 pm
@poppa69-543:
i have to go too boet.
cheers
5 Sep 2012, 16:54 pm
Yes time for bed shortly.
5 Sep 2012, 16:55 pm
Go Duane!, in a way they are throwin you at the wolves but good luck anyway.
Good honest solid no-nonsense player who always go flat out , he wll never be the second Zinzan but then again, there will probably never be a secod zinzan.
At his best there is no current no 8 in SA who comes close to him but sadly he is probably only at 70% of his best at the moment after the long lay-off.
5 Sep 2012, 16:56 pm
@Robzim-550:
Ahh the excuses start already.
5 Sep 2012, 16:57 pm
Dream team:
1. Beast
2. Bismarck
3. Coenie
4. Eben
5. Bekker (he will sort his game out and be the best in the world)
6. Heinrich
7. Marcel with Alberts coming on as impact player
8. Duane
9. Sarel
10. Goosen with Lambie as back-up
11. Hougaard
12. Frans
13. Paul Jordaan
14. Habana
15. Taute
5 Sep 2012, 16:59 pm
Someone please show Parnell where the bloody line is.
5 Sep 2012, 17:00 pm
@katman-553:
Youssuf’s GPS is farked.
5 Sep 2012, 17:01 pm
Why can’t we get guys from abroad likeSchalk Britz and Bakkies and Joe van Niekerk?? Those okes are all on form, and even coming off the bench, they’ll add so much to our team!
5 Sep 2012, 17:02 pm
If we had to take on the AB’s tommorow and all these guys were fit and available. Would beat the current AB lineup imo.
1. Steenkamp
2. Bismark
3. Coenie
4. Botha
5. Etzebeth
6. Brussouw
7. Alberts
8. Burger
9. Hougaard (natural game)
10. Goosen
11. Habana
12. Frans
13. Jordaan/Serfontein
14. Pietersen
15. Lambie/Le Roux
5 Sep 2012, 17:03 pm
@RAI8-555: Agreed! Schalk Britz especially should have been called in.
5 Sep 2012, 17:03 pm
@gunther-554: Perhaps, but that was a very lucrative 26th over for a couple of blokes in Pakistan.
5 Sep 2012, 17:07 pm
@Transformation-130: The thing about HM is that his contradictions are soo hilarious that 1 can’t help compare to PdV.
Because if you actually listen and read what he says you see how hard he tries to justify his selections without making sense
Hilarious his comment about Morne having a good game in 3rd test against England except for tactical kicking, yet saying he’s uncomfortable with playing Lambie cos of his tactical kicking…
What an idiot
5 Sep 2012, 17:07 pm
@nama1-444:
HM had no choice, really, his job is on the line
5 Sep 2012, 17:09 pm
I wish the Bok team all the best on Saturday, wish HM would take a PR course so he doesn’t sound like an idiot with his constant contradictions!!
5 Sep 2012, 17:10 pm
@Spiesisworthless1-556: Jordaan has to be brought in sooner or later. Le Roux not bad for 15. Also Ludik and Taute. Hougaard has to be on wing.
Our problem areas for the future: 9 and tighthead.
What is that Cheetahs winger’s name? Raymond Kofi Rhule – that’s it…watch this boy. This is the special pace we need. He makes MVovu’s and Sithole’s pace look very ordinary.
5 Sep 2012, 17:11 pm
@Marty-562: Taute or Andries Coetzee – there’s the solution at 15.
5 Sep 2012, 17:12 pm
@Marty-552: Bekker should only start once fit. He’s been a shadow of himself and someone needs to get it into his thick skull that not EVERY lineout should be thrown to him
That is NOT taking charge of the lineout, I remember games where Matfield made all the calls but took the ball@lineout possibly twice!
Kept the opposition guessing the whole time
5 Sep 2012, 17:14 pm
@papaown-561:
Did you mind Divvie sounding like an idiot for 4 years?
Surely you should be used to it now?
5 Sep 2012, 17:15 pm
@Marty-562: As Bok fans our constant need to discard of players for the next best thing that showed itself out in 1 game is the most predictable and sad case for why there should only ever be 1 coach.
How can we be talking about putting Rhule in the Bok team after a few good Currie Cup games??? COME on man
See how Julian Savea had to sweat to get into All Blacks team and even after a hatrick it wasn’t enough to keep his place!
That’s the culture we need!
5 Sep 2012, 17:17 pm
@gunther-565: When you’re told some1 is an idiot from day one and he sounds like 1, it doesn’t come as a surprise.
So when the same thing happens with the Messiah, yes I find it more than surprising!
More than comical in fact!
5 Sep 2012, 17:19 pm
I have lost al faith and interest in one day cricket.
It is one for you, one for me, no consistency.
Playground for gamblers and bookies.
5 Sep 2012, 17:20 pm
@Marty-562: Saw Rhule in the junior RWC, awesome prospect. The Cheetahs back-line are going to be very interesting to follow in Super Rugby next season, some seriously talented youngsters involved.
5 Sep 2012, 17:21 pm
@papaown-567:
Why don’t you make your own mind up instead of going on what you are told buddy.
5 Sep 2012, 17:24 pm
@katman-563: Andries Coetzee another outstanding talent to have in the mix. Geez, these guys can step in for Kirtchner today and be twice as good.
5 Sep 2012, 17:25 pm
@papaown-566: Fair enough and I’m not saying that he should be in the starting line up on Sat or even in the squad for that matter. What I am saying is that he is a fantastic prospect – we have had ordinary pace on the wings (for the boks) ever since Habana somehow lost his blistering pace. It is exciting to have someone with raw, genuine pace coming through the ranks.
5 Sep 2012, 17:59 pm
@Hondo-560:
So, what happens if the Boks lose on Saturday without Mvovo in the team?
Is his job still on the line or are you going to shift the blame to Kirchner, Habana, Beast?
5 Sep 2012, 18:05 pm
@gunther-565:
Does HM’s idiotic utterances gripe you as much as those of PdV did?
5 Sep 2012, 18:12 pm
@Spiesisworthless1-556:
Great team. I would include Vermuelen. Coenie is king
5 Sep 2012, 18:19 pm
@nama1-574:
Will you put as effort into defending Meyer as you did Divvie hey Namski?
Thought not.
I know where you’re coming from.
5 Sep 2012, 18:25 pm
Positions 8 and 9 sorted.
Position 6 on its way to being sorted.
Positions 10 and 15 – the pressure is mounting.
The jigsaw is slowly falling into place.
5 Sep 2012, 18:34 pm
@gunther-576:
Jip.
If he can prove that he is unbiased in his selection on all fronts, stop his double talk, change the game plan a bit and start winning convincingly instead of the kak that we’ve seen in his 5 test matches so far..
Remember, I punted for him to be made the coach right after the world cup.
PS: You can’t ask me a question and then proceed to answer it yourself. You don’t know me, remember.
5 Sep 2012, 18:35 pm
@nama1-573:
He can always bring Mvovo on around the 40 minutes
What’s the point of playing him if JdV and FS are seemingly reluctant to pass him the ball?
5 Sep 2012, 18:40 pm
HKGK…..totsiens Bokke….
5 Sep 2012, 18:40 pm
@I am a stormer-577:
You believe that HM will bring back Brussow ahead of Coetzee or what do you mean by, “Position 6 on its way to being sorted?”
Remember that he did not select a fit HB for the England series.
5 Sep 2012, 18:41 pm
@nama1-578:
In other words if proves himself to be the opposite of Divvie?
5 Sep 2012, 18:47 pm
@nama1-581:
I mean the fact that he brought Flo back from the UK and has him on the bench. HM has gone on record that he will only use an overseas based player if none is available in SA. He is obviously having a rethink about the breakdown and the combo’s of the loosies. Particularly as he was relying on Bismarck to do that job.
Brussow is coming back from injury this weekend so we will have to wait and see how things pan out.
Hope Flo gets 30 mins or so on Sat – it will all depend on how Vermeulen goes, how he lasts the pace. But being his 1st test cap he will go flat out.
5 Sep 2012, 18:50 pm
@nama1-581: The Boks are on their way to their biggest humiliation in tri-nations history – I can just feel it coming. Unfortunately, Goosen is going to be part of that. Here comes the creation of a new Gaffie Du Toit.
5 Sep 2012, 18:51 pm
@Hondo-579:
OK, if they are so reluctant to pass him the ball for fear he’ll knock it on or something, let’s see how many times they are going to pass the ball to Hougaard then.
Deal???
“He can always bring Mvovo on around the 40 minutes”
That would probably happen if Pienaar is not up to scratch. Replace Pienaar by Hougie, replace Hougie by Mvovo.
I think the odds for that are pretty good …even more than you can imagine. Pienaar going to find the going very tough vs Genia on Saturday.
5 Sep 2012, 18:51 pm
@I am a stormer-583: Springboks are about to see their behinds big time. Get ready. I am not sure I will bother to watch. Might be too painful.
5 Sep 2012, 18:55 pm
@Dusky-586:
Relax. We’ve got home ground advantage. It’s Perthfontein, remember.
5 Sep 2012, 18:58 pm
@gunther-582:
No Gunther.
If he proves that he is all that he was made out to be as a coach.
He IS the opposite of PdV, on all fronts except for the fact that they share the same religion and a great love for rugby and their family.
Don’t deflect, Gunther. I asked you a question and you have not bothered to answer it.
It’s OK. I know where you’re coming from.
5 Sep 2012, 18:59 pm
@I am a stormer-583: Let me tell you without a shadow of a doubt, that Duanne Vermeulen will have a nightmare debut this weekend. You are all celebrating because your Free State turned WP turncoat has finally gotten his Springbok dues but I watched Duanne play in his Currie Cup return and he was diabolically poor.
Heyneke Meyer has made a very poor decision to pull him in so soon after a long injury lay off and then crown him with the starting Nr 8 jersey. Good luck. If you ask me, he will sink faster than a rock.
Francois Louw – average player in my opinion. Lets hope he has learned something overseas and brings some benefit to the team.
Meyer is flippin dim. He should stick with his core group. He was on the right track but has become completely discombobulated. He had to stick it out and the continuity would have come. All in all – I think the Boks are in for a hiding of maximum record proportions. Especially against the All Blacks.
5 Sep 2012, 18:59 pm
@I am a stormer-587: We’re f$cked. Big time. Trust me.
5 Sep 2012, 19:02 pm
@I am a stormer-587: Really, really hard for me to believe that Meyer was credited for bringing the Bulls from being the laughing stock of SA rugby to being the ‘new Crusaders’ of Super rugby. Well at least for a few years.
If you ask me now. I think Heyneke rode a very lucky wave. Imagine the luck of a coach having talented youngsters like Bakkies Botha, Victor Matfield, Bryan Habana, Fourie Du Preez, Danie Rossouw all coming into their prime at the same time ?
5 Sep 2012, 19:03 pm
Australia 41 – Springboks 6
5 Sep 2012, 19:04 pm
@Dusky-589:
In his first game on return from injury, Vermeulen just tested the knee out and went better in the 2nd game. I, for one, was only expecting him to get a call-up for the home series.
Just give the okes chance. And I’m only talking about this weekend.
The following weekend? – well that’s something totally different.
5 Sep 2012, 19:05 pm
@Dusky-584:
I have the same feeling, Dusky. Hopefully we are both wrong.
I know the Bok team is a whole different beast when they are with their backs to the wall but the Wallabies (and Deans) find themselves in a similar situation. It will be brutal on Saturday but I think the wallabies will take the spoils. The last few games by the Boks cannot fill even the most ardent Bok supporter with confidence. All that is left is unwavering loyalty to the Bok team and HOPE and PRAYERS.
5 Sep 2012, 19:07 pm
@I am a stormer-593: Lets just get on the same wavelength. I have nothing against Duanne Vermeulen. I mean other than the fact that he sometimes gets that confused look when his two brain cells bump into one another, he seems like a above average talented player. When he is on form.
Currently, Duanne is not in test rugby form.
Of course I will support the Boks, but we are going down buddy. Hard ! And unfortunately Vermeulen and Goosen will be on that ship when it sinks. Lets hope the trip in the life raft doesn’t ruin their careers. They could thank Heyneke for that then.
5 Sep 2012, 19:11 pm
@nama1-594: No I am afraid not. They are stuffed. There is no continuity in this team and I cant imagine the morale must be at an all time high. Players can see what is happening. You play one game below average, you’re out and your coach will hand over your jersey to an unproven rookie.
Dont worry – come Monday people will start calling for Heyneke’s head. Then old shouter will quickly start to realise he better come back in line. 11 Boks he has created in his short time so far. ELEVEN !
5 Sep 2012, 19:14 pm
@Dusky-595:
Both Vermeulen and Goosen’s provincial coaches said they were not yet ready for a test call-up. But HM went ahead anyway.
Let’s just say our prayers that this movie has a happy ending.
5 Sep 2012, 19:15 pm
@nama1-594: I get the sense that some ‘sympathy’ has developed amongst Stormers fans for Heyneke after his selection of Vermeulen. We will see how long that lasts when he drops Andries Bekker which is due to happen soon if rumors should be believed.
5 Sep 2012, 19:16 pm
Hope also that the Proteas have a happy ending tonight. It’s not looking too good right now.
5 Sep 2012, 19:18 pm
@I am a stormer-597: Yep – and that is what I am saying. There is so much provincialism in SA rugby (I myself am guilty – I admit) that it is easy to see my comments as an attack on either Vermeulen or Goosen.
Actually it is completely the opposite. Two talented kids are about to embark on one of the biggest Springbok nightmares ever since Rudolph Straueli was coach – thanks to Heyneke which by the looks of his rantings in the coaches box is a bit of a difficult coach.
Lets start thinking about who is going to fix this problem ? Frans Ludeke ? John Plumtree ?
5 Sep 2012, 19:21 pm
@Dusky-591:
I’ve been thinking the same.
Much like Buchanan, the Aus cricket coach during the Steve Waugh era. Then he couldn’t make it after all that superstars left. Not even in the IPL. They fired him in quick time.
The Buchanan-Meyer effect.
Topic for a thesis if Meyer does not get it right…and soon.
5 Sep 2012, 19:22 pm
I reckon send someone to Perth to put Heyneke in a straight jacket and give him a few lithium injections. Replace him with Jake White or Eddie Jones, just as a temporary measure. Lets see if Jake can improve things over the next few months and then a decision can be made on which coach will take the Springboks to the next world cup.
5 Sep 2012, 19:27 pm
@nama1-601: He was lucky. Perhaps as was Jake White to be honest. Difficult to tell.
One way not to go about it is to make it look like you are grabbing at straws and replacing players left, right and center. How many Boks will be still create ? Who is next to become a Springbok ?
And really…Jano Vermaak !? Is he off his mind ? Does he have no concern for a players current form ? Other bloggers here will hate this, but Charl McLeod would have made more sense. Honestly. Even on the Bulls blog the guys are pleading with the coach to get rid of Jano. They are probably overjoyed he has gone to the Boks.
5 Sep 2012, 19:27 pm
@Dusky-600:
The job of Bok coach is a thankless one. You’re either hero or zero. There’s no in-between. The guy hasn’t even lost a test yet and people are already calling for his head.
HM needs a win this weekend more than anything. Because it ain’t going to happen the following weekend.
5 Sep 2012, 19:34 pm
@Dusky-592: I wish I could bet with you Dusky. Boks by a margin of 8 to 13. We by no means have the best team available but I think our game plan will be somewhat more condusive to running rugby. I reckon Frans and de Villiers might show some creativitiy. Finally Hougie on the wing. And our forwards got a kuk – uit of note after Argentina. Our forwards are better than Aussie forwards. This starting 15 needs to be improved at 3, 5, 6, 10 and 15.
5 Sep 2012, 19:35 pm
@I am a stormer-604: I think the reason for that is his senseless team rearrangement with a frequency equal to changing of underwear. And also the ‘free for all’ handing out of Springbok jerseys.
Also some of his selections make absolutely no sense at all and he has already displayed a lack of willingness to discuss or justify any of his selections, no matter how bizarre.
At least when Jake White did something crazy, he explained why he did it. When he refused to select Schalk Brits – he explained why. Meyer is a one man show ‘en hy gaan sy gat sien’….
5 Sep 2012, 19:36 pm
Dusky we are not going to get raped on saturday, I think we will edge them… Or they may edge us.
5 Sep 2012, 19:37 pm
This is like double jeopardy calling
Its that kind of feeling you don’t know whether you wanna back these boks or not
Almost leaves one out on the cold fringes not caring which goddamn way the wind wanna blow
Meyer improves his back row and then in a couple doff moves fcks up the back line
Its a hard place to be at.. because this dumb coach could land up stuffing up a whole lot of very promising players careers all because he’s so damn fearful and paranoid for his own credibility to get saved he risks the players careers in the firing line.
I don’t like the sound of the sheer frantic desperation shrieking out from behind the Bok change room door.
And how many these blue eyed messiah preachers still holding out this dude walks on water.. I wanna count them.. put up your hands all you brave Meyer worshipers.. where is your flag flying now only 5 tests into the messiah’s bewildered career?
5 Sep 2012, 19:38 pm
@Marty-605: I am glad for you that you feel optimistic however I dont believe your optimism will be rewarded. We have no game plan because we have no continuity. We have played different players in pivotal positions in nearly every game and the players have absolutely no idea how to play together.
5 Sep 2012, 19:39 pm
@I am a stormer-583:
OK. Never been over enthusiastic about Flo even when he was at WP/Stormers but he sure is a moerse step up from Potgieter.
Flo be the man if he is right.
@Dusky-596:
11 new players in 5 matches!!!
WOW!!!
@Dusky-598:
Most Stormer supporters with sense know that Bekker is not firing on all silinders. Dropping him won’t be the major problem.
That would be HM not dropping BB players who are also not firing.
Look, I think most supporters were behind HM when he was appointed untill he announced his 1st squad. His bias towards BB players were so obvious, it was just not true.
JJE
Potgieter
Flip
I mean, really!!!
I don’t think it is the selection of Vermeulen that changed people’s attitudes. In fact, I’ll say most are still in a “let’s see what happens next” kind of stage at this point.
As in, if Morne fails again, will he let him go? When will he get rid of Potgieter?
And then of course, the Kirchner conundrum. Not really good enough to be a Bok but the alternatives are not knocking the door down. (Lambie must specialize first)
None of these necessarily have to be replaced by Stormers players imo. It is just that they should not be there.
5 Sep 2012, 19:39 pm
JW was a bigger ******** than this dunce.. only difference was he had a higher level of risque he could brandish with far less to lose from day one..
But JW in 2006 -2007 was the worst rugby coach on the planet by some distance.
5 Sep 2012, 19:40 pm
@Gazelle-607: I hope you right.
5 Sep 2012, 19:43 pm
@fitz1ella-611: That’s your opinion. I think Jake White had his redeeming qualities.
One thing you and I agree on though is it looks like all reason has flown the coop with Meyer.
5 Sep 2012, 19:43 pm
Well be competitive atleast, Probably edge them.. if we don’t beat aus this weekend ..some serious moves needs to be made.
5 Sep 2012, 19:59 pm
@nama1-610:
Brussow be the man…sorry
5 Sep 2012, 20:07 pm
@nama1-615:
Another Brussow cheerleader
Just watch him getting blown off the park by Deon Fourie on Saturday.
5 Sep 2012, 20:08 pm
@Marty-605:
“Finally Hougie on the wing.”
What did he do to deserve being on the wing?
He should’ve been on the bench.
@Gazelle-614:
Yeah…. we’ll start like a house on fire but if we don’t lead by about 15 points after 25 minute or so, we’re not gonna win this match.
Do to them what the Argies did to us at the start of the match. That’s the only way we’re going to win it.
5 Sep 2012, 20:08 pm
The ego now doing his 100m heat.
5 Sep 2012, 20:09 pm
Winning comfortably.
No complaints about blades lenghs (for now)
5 Sep 2012, 20:13 pm
@Robzim-616:
That would be an interesting match-up.
HB has proven himself over and over again, Rob. No peer in SA when it comes to open side play.
5 Sep 2012, 20:16 pm
@Robzim-619:
Did the Brazilian run also?
5 Sep 2012, 20:21 pm
@nama1-620:
I reckon Fourie has caught up very quickly.
Interesting stats that Transformation posted a day or so ago.
It seems the two made exactly the same number of “steals” during the super 15 tournament.
In general play I reckon Fourie is better- is there anything he cannot do? Linebreaks, running, passing, cover defence, captaining a team, chip kicks, even jumping in the lineout.. you can name it.
Only thing he is not good at is throwing into the lineouts but luckily he dont have to when playing on the flank
5 Sep 2012, 20:25 pm
@nama1-621:
He ran in the first heat and came third after starting very slow and then came charging through the field exactly as he did during the 200m. I think the 100m is too short for him- the british runner who won(Jonny something) the first heat seems very quick and will not lose easily in the final.
5 Sep 2012, 20:32 pm
Bekker’s back is not 100 percent
Wed, 05 Sep 2012 16:25
Suspicions that veteran Springbok lock Andries Bekker is still struggling to shake off injuries have proven to be spot on.
It was revealed on Wednesday, when Bok coach Heyneke Meyer unveiled his team for the Rugby Championship Test against the Wallabies in Perth on Saturday, that Bekker is still in some discomfort – with back and ankle problems.
Meyer named a team that will see No.8 Duane Vermeulen make his Springbok debut – one of five changes from the starting team that played Argentina in Mendoza recently.
Willem Alberts shifts from No.8 to flank.
However, the more significant change up front sees a recall for lock Juandré Kruger, while Bekker drops out of the matchday 22 altogether.
Meyer said the axing of Bekker was twofold.
“We know what we have in Andries [Bekker], he is a quality player,” the Bok mentor told a media scrum in Perth.
“He came through a few injuries [back and ankle] and [is] probably not 100 percent fit.
“Juandré played very well against England, [where] I was very happy with his performance. He may not be as experienced as Andries, but he does play more to the ball and that is what we will need on Saturday.”
Meyer admitted that Bekker’s poor performance in the 16-all draw with the Argentineans in Mendoza contributed to his axing.
“I wasn’t happy with our cleaning and how we recycled the ball [against Argentina in Mendoza],” he said, adding that injuries remain a big factor.
“Unfortunately Andries has been struggling with injuries the whole year … his back is almost there and his ankle is almost there.
“I just felt I needed to give him a break, so that he can be 100 percent fit when we play New Zealand [in Dunedin next week].
“You need two quality locks, given the [risk of] injuries and you need a squad system. Both locks [Bekker and Kruger] will feature in the future as well.”
Meyer said he is comfortable that Duane Vermeulen – who has played just 100 minutes of Currie Cup rugby since coming back from a serious knee injury – would be up for the challenge in Perth.
“Duane [Vermeulen] has fitted in superbly,” he said of the burly loose forward, adding: “He is a great lined-out jumper, which gives us an extra option there.
“[He is] a typical No.8, he is physical and tough – we are going to need that physicality on Saturday. Duane has fitted in nicely.
“Although he hasn’t played Test rugby, he is a very experienced campaigner, when you compare him to the other guys… he has played a lot of Super Rugby.
“I definitely think he will make a difference on Saturday.”
The arrival of Francois Louw from Bath in England is another significant change to the team, although the openside flank will only feature off the bench.
“I have really been impressed with Francois Louw [in the few days he has been with the team, since his arrival on Monday],” Meyer said.
“He has not been with the team for a long time, but he has fitted in nicely. He is also an option in the line-outs, which is a huge positive for us.
“When we did our ball-stealing drills he was superb on the ground.
“He looks in great condition. He had a good off-season … you can see he is raring to go. He is definitely going to get game time on Saturday and I am excited to see what he can bring to the party
5 Sep 2012, 20:34 pm
@Robzim-622: Rob….go watch the game between the Cheetahs and the Stormers in Bloem….Brussel sprout made Kolisi and D Fourie look silly ….
5 Sep 2012, 20:37 pm
@Robzim-622:
I was at Loftus a season ago – in the upper reaches – when this Stormer 12 made a clean break between the Bulls centres inside the Bulls half to score near the poles.
After watching the replay on the big screen, I realised he had no. 2 on his back.
5 Sep 2012, 20:37 pm
Meyer on Flo…..’ When we did ball stealing skills Flo was superb ‘…..
Thats because all the rest are bloody useless on the deck you wally!!
5 Sep 2012, 20:41 pm
@grant10-625:
That was then… now is now.
Watch Fourie on Saturday… student catching the teacher.
On a more serious note I think the ref’s interpretation will play a huge role- sometimes south african refs allow heinrich to get away with murder while he is usually not so lucky when overseas ref’s have the whistle. it’s a thin line these blokes walk on- they got to be clever or influential or both (like Richie).
5 Sep 2012, 20:42 pm
my favorite part of the Super 15 was that half in Durbs where Brussel Sprout had M Coetsee and Comapny scratching their heads in disbelief …..
Popeye klegendary stuff from the Sprout…..
Glad he is only playing 40 min against wp Sat!!
5 Sep 2012, 20:46 pm
@Robzim-628: well no way heinrich look that clever….so maybe the refs need to be studied properly…..key is to know whe to attempt the steal and when not….I dont remember HB being crucified too much this year though? Maybe transie will know the stats…
also I heard N H refs a bit more lenient…..so thats another consideration I suppose…
5 Sep 2012, 20:47 pm
This is for John Galt. Read and weep, “CUNTRY BOY.”
Robbie Peterson took 7 wickets in this ODI series. The most wickets by a SA bowler at an average of 21.71, second best behind Steyn for bowlers who have bowled more than 20 overs in the series.
He also score 54 runs in two innings without being out once.
Definitely a candidate for player of the series but it will probably go to Amla again.
Not bad for an “uber kak player,” is it?
5 Sep 2012, 20:47 pm
@nama1-617: For me, Hougie’s best position always has been wing. S14 showed that and I blame the doo*s that switched him back to scrummy. What has he done? WC 2011, he was the one player who noticably ignited the game and made the bok backline look dangerous, at wing. I feel sorry for Mvovu but I believe that Hougie is the better alround player at wing and I agree with his selection there.
5 Sep 2012, 20:48 pm
and for the record I think D Fourie is an amazing player….how the fark WP can lose him I just dont know….
5 Sep 2012, 20:49 pm
@I am a stormer-626:
I remember that… he has more explosive speed then even Schalk Brits.
I particulary enjoyed his lineout take against I think the Rebels or even the Cheetahs (at newlands) and that nonchalant smile when he fell back, caught the high kick and pass infield to his fullback in classical 8 man textbook style. That was his first game as an eight man and he got man of the match!
5 Sep 2012, 20:53 pm
@grant10-633:
I think Deon wants to play hooker only- but fark, he cannot throw into the lineout and will probably never be able to manage that skill. It is weird because he certainly has a lot of ball sense- some people claim his hands are not big enough to control the ball when throwing, I don’t know.
5 Sep 2012, 21:00 pm
He’s the poor man’s Schalk Brits by a long, long margin. So if he deserves some kind of higher honours, it’s an outrage that Brits has not had a Bok look-in.
5 Sep 2012, 21:01 pm
@Robzim-635: Ja….fark he will be missed….scarra has been bloody good as well at 2….need a decent 10 ….hope elton comes down south..
5 Sep 2012, 21:06 pm
@grant10-637:
Tim Swiel is also looking quite good in the under 21 side- i saw 2 games on TV- he only needs to work on his goalkicking – he missed one from straight in front against the Lions on Saturday and it cost his team at the end- . As far as the rest of his game is concerned he is top class, just needs some more experience. Holding thumbs that Elton comes too.
5 Sep 2012, 21:09 pm
@katman-636:
I like that boykie from Mossel Bay a lot too and reckon he should have played many more tests but with John Smit overstaying his welcome and Bismark being just about the best hooker in the world he was always up against it.
5 Sep 2012, 21:13 pm
@Robzim-639: Ja, it’s a difficult era to get a chance at 2. But over in the UK they’re gobsmacked that he doesn’t feature somewhere – even on the bench.
5 Sep 2012, 21:14 pm
Amla and De Villiers are just toying with the Poms now.
Which probably makes them Toy Poms, I guess.
5 Sep 2012, 21:19 pm
@katman-640:
Yip, I have no doubt that he will make more of an impact off the bench against a team like Australia then flippin Tiaan Liebenberg who seemed to have lost some of his zest in general play. But I guess it’s too late for him, at least he is earning good pounds in England.
5 Sep 2012, 21:22 pm
@Robzim-638: Justrugby has been singing Swiels praises….I havent seen him yet though…
Also a huge Schalk Brits fan….should be impact player off bench for boks in perfect world….off to celebrate Proteas win with lady…
nite all
outta here
5 Sep 2012, 21:23 pm
Pity Amla ends on 97 not out. He deserved another century.
5 Sep 2012, 21:23 pm
@Robzim-635:
@Robzim-622:
HM turned a “too short for a lineout option” Gary Botha into a good hooker
I can’t see why DF can’t play at no6, I thought AC was crazy or had no choice to play him there during the S15, but he’s gotten better and better with each game
Like Hougie he wants to play in a position where he doesn’t excel, all the while he’s one of the better options in the position he doesn’t want to play in
5 Sep 2012, 21:23 pm
Deon Fourie is far more potent and far tougher and far more grit and fire eater no holds barred wrestler in the trenches than Schalk Britz or any other hooker perhaps world wide apart from Bismark and perhaps Andrew Hore
He should have been a Bok already ahead of Strauss and Burden, Liebenberg is next best after Bismark, Fourie, Chili…, same as Elstadt should be the first name down for enforcer instead of some the soft soap options that this coach been bandying about.
5 Sep 2012, 21:25 pm
@fitz1ella-646: Talking kak again. What’s new?
5 Sep 2012, 21:26 pm
@ 39 robzim…spot on…britz is one of the most exciting frontrowers in world rugby…and that’s my hometown too…hehe
5 Sep 2012, 21:27 pm
@ 639 robzim
spot on…britz is one of the most exciting front-rowers in world rugby…and that’s my hometown too…hehe
5 Sep 2012, 21:29 pm
@fitz1ella-646:
The problem is he wants to play hooker, and a hooker’s primary function is throwing in at the lineout and that’s his achilles heel
> Deon Fourie is far more potent and far tougher and far more grit
Agree
But it’s all moot anyway, he’s going overeas next year
5 Sep 2012, 21:32 pm
Skop
Fourie is in the form of his life but to rank him up there with proven international performers like Hore and du Plessis..no ways man
5 Sep 2012, 21:38 pm
Fourie is top caliber international class HOOKER .. ready to be chucked straight into the deep end..
but the ‘kenners’ around the fireplace reckon he is not…
You got to be able to recognize class or at least CHARACTER when you are estimating a player’s potential.
Deon Fourie will EAT up an international level portfolio where others like Strauss and Liebenberg and Burden and Gary Botha are never going to amount to anywhere near the level of fire and brimstone this little pack of mongrel dynamite would..
Deon Fourie is in same class as Bismark perhaps better in the loose.. and able to hold his own in the tight…
Like Schalk Britz his position is HOOKER… NOT flank or 8th man or wing or center or chief cook bottle washer like some other overrated ball carriers who play first receiver when all they do there is stuff up the works.
5 Sep 2012, 21:40 pm
@grant10-643:
Cheers, enjoy!
@victoriabok-645:
I also believe he has a real future as a number 6 and have no idea why he is reluctant to consider a permant switch to that position. Besides the bad lineout throwing he appears to be a bit “light” as a scummaging hooker as well- even the young and relatively small Scarra Ntubeni seems better in the scrums
@Rage-649:
Very cool place- specially the point breaks – i spent many very happy days there.
5 Sep 2012, 21:46 pm
Schalk Britz not a patch on Deon Fourie.. and I reckon one on one face off.. Fourie shows Bismark a couple moves he could learn in the ring…
Fourie, Brussow, Bismark, Etzebeth, Elstadt, Vermeulen, Alberts, Hougaard, Kolisi, De Jongh, Aplon, Ebersohn, PSdT, Serfontein, Arno Botha and hopefully Goosen
these the type players you build a team around.. players with HEART and fearlessness and mongrel who put their hearts FIRST and their bodies a distant 3rd…
Instead the coach wanna surround himself with Spies and Potgieter and Kirchner and Steyn and Pienaar and Jannie Dup and Strauss all the mediocrities singing in unison in the coaches chorus.
5 Sep 2012, 21:47 pm
@katman-647:
I think he is right, Katman. Fourie is great.
5 Sep 2012, 21:52 pm
@KeurboomPark-655: He’s okay, but nowhere near Schalk Brits.
But out of sight, out of mind, I guess. Brits is a once-in-a-generation type of player.
Don’t listen to Skoppie though. What he knows about heart and mongrel and tricks of the ring couldn’t fill a post-it note. He’s a phoney and he knows it. Groot bek oppie innernet and not much more.
5 Sep 2012, 21:56 pm
@katman-656:
I am staying out of the personal stuff. Skop has original ideas, and I respek him.
You are right about Schalk Brits. A rugby geniuz.
5 Sep 2012, 21:59 pm
Fourie is way ahead of Britz in every facet of tough mentality and fire fighter in the trenches … way ahead..
Britz was good and Jake was a moron overlooking him for far less gifted players.. But Fourie is better than Britz because Fourie will mix it right in the fire of the belly of the beast where Britz wanna dance around the fringes in the back line and look good…
This little ponce face fuckwit katman is just one little pompous fucknosed dickiehead who thinks the sun oozes out his non evolved boertjie broertjie arsehole because he’s tweetalig and supposedly ‘bright’
little dunce dunno the first thing about what comprises brightness from dull.. he’s just a little pompous fuckwit that needs to get sat on his over aggrandized pompous arse and read the riot act about who’s who and whats what.
5 Sep 2012, 22:02 pm
@KeurboomPark-657: katman’s a ****… who thinks he’s clever.. fact is he’s a little piece of over aggrandized trash who knows absolutely fckall.. yet thinks he knows a whole lot more than he actually does…..
Fourie will eat Britz for after dinner mints.. something I know that Katman don’t…
5 Sep 2012, 22:06 pm
@fitz1ella-658: Not gonna happen. Not by you, anyway. Not by some fake old moegoe with anger issues and delusions of grandeur.
If you’re so rugby smart, Skoppie, someone would have roped your infinite wisdom in long ago. You would have been a tradable commodity on the rugby market. You wouldn’t be a sad old opinionated geezer on an online rugby forum.
Sure have an opinion, like anyone else here. But this storming into a thread every night with these ridiculously overstated “truths” that everyone else in the world, including just about every coach an analyst, is too thick to see… well, that’s just plain stupid. And even fake, arrogant old you should be able to recognise this.
5 Sep 2012, 22:11 pm
@fitz1ella-658:
Skoppy, as long as Fourie keeps on missing his jumpers in the lineouts he will NOT even be considered as a test player. Do you realise how many try scoring opportunities from 5 meter lineouts the Stormers/WP have lost because of his wayward throwing. I think he suffers from stage fright when throwing into vital lineouts.
He even once threw the ball straight into the hands of the Highlanders flyhalf during a lineout from 5 meters out. It was the most shocking throw in I have ever seen in my life- and it even scared the **** out of the flyjalf who was not expecting it and just managed to get his hands up in time to protect his face.
Otherwise he is brilliant- one of my favourite players- gutsty as you said and punches far above his weight. but fark man, his lineout throws are attrocious.
5 Sep 2012, 22:11 pm
@katman-660: yeah they should have roped my rugby genius in long ago.. way more insight than dumbfck klutzes such as grandiose fuckwits the likes of you little pompous piece of fuckwit trash.. and your arme mesmerized coach who going round the rosemary bush the long way round…
You the kind of little over aggrandizedcunt that needs to get sat down smartly and your pompous little fucked up head fixed for you one time.. just say the word little pompous piece of garbage trash .. I fix your fucked up little over aggrandized boertjie head so smart you be thanking me profusely till your dying day…
5 Sep 2012, 22:16 pm
@Robzim-661: Throwing in the line out is a trick you learn.. simple little trick that can be taught.. 1.. 2.. 3.. and bob’s your aunty
mongrel and tenacity and heart and courage and attitude and CHARACTER you CANNOT learn..
Fourie is 10000 times the player that Strauss or Liebenberg or Burden will ever be.. and he’s ten times the potential player that Schalk Britz was or is.
2nd only to Bismark in SA with regards to what is required at the coal face of the inferno.. Britz don’t come near Fourie for sheer tenacity and grizzly guts in the trenches.. Britz is a loose playing hooker out in the fancy pansy open field.. Fourie is right in the thick of the action all 80 minutes long and reveling in it.
5 Sep 2012, 22:18 pm
@fitz1ella-662: All I hear is blah blah blah. Do you ever to to some kind of point, old poepol? Or is it always the same old same old? Perhaps you could spend the weekend researching some new adjectives, because you’ve well and truly worn yours out.
The irony is that you probably sit in the lower 20% when it comes to real, practical rugby insight here on keo. But you reckon you’re untouchable at the very top. Would have been comical if it weren’ so fcken sad.
5 Sep 2012, 22:19 pm
@fitz1ella-663: If it’s so simple, you silly twat, then why hasn’t he learnt it in the god knows how many years that he’s played top-flight rugby at hooker?
Dink voor jy tik, jou onnosele aap. Dink.
5 Sep 2012, 22:33 pm
@katman-664: listen punkface.. You the little sniveling runtcunt come looking for a smack to your over zealous pompousness… keep at it.. you doing just fine…
I put very simple clear as day realities out on the blogosphere for eg.. Deon Fourie is Bok material second to none and is overlooked by morons the likes of you and quite a few others.. including the national coach … then you little pompous prick come out with your pompous little cleverdick fantasies that Schalk Britz is all the beeswax and Fourie ain’t a patch on your fancy footwork little razzmatazz darling …well I’m telling you it is QUITE the other way around
Fourie is the be all business they should be keeping not discarding.. and Britz is OLD hat show pony that should have been a Bok 6 years ago.. not now….
5 Sep 2012, 22:37 pm
@Fitz1ella fourie is good and naturally talanted but, he’s got to master the basics first. Don’t get me wrong fourie is a real star in the Making… A classical hard man with guts like all hookers should be.
5 Sep 2012, 22:38 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-456:
” kiwi coaches havn’t exactly turned international rugby on its head though have they?
kirwan poor
gatland poor to mediocre
henry poor
mitchell poor to pathetic
deans mediocre ‘to almost out of a job’ ”
Bakkies, if all those coaches are poor, why is it that so many Kiwi coaches get approached to coach overseas teams?
We know you hate NZ, stop- saying you don’t, it is a huge lie.
Whats the bet if Henry ( Poor Coach ) approached South African rugby, he would be taken to coach South African teams. You hatred has so clouded your judgment. Get over it .
5 Sep 2012, 22:53 pm
@Gazelle-667: The FIRST thing you look at if you a decent coach is the CORE of what makes the player who he is and where his potential can develop and evolve to.. and that is the stuff you CANNOT teach or coach..it is that unseen unbridled stuff that makes a player or a person more than the average and that is called Courage, Heart and Character…
those are the cornerstone bricks you build your team around..
Not all the fancy footwork talents and techniques but the hard as nails in depth character and guts that makes a player stand out above his peers..
And Deon Fourie has got that quality in spades.. and if the coaches here are THAT dumb that they cannot recognize it then let them LOSE such caliber of quality while they surround themselves in absolute mediocrity by comparison..
There are players with that quality that the coaches stuff around and select poorly.. imagine a Christian Cullen in SA.. he might never have been discovered here.. because we look for the WRONG aspects when assessing players instead of what is the fundamental core of what makes a player more than what the average is.
First look at the inherent character and potential of the player if you recognize that fire and drive like Fourie has in bucket loads.. then you harness it and USE it.. don’t LOSE it, for chrissake. !!
5 Sep 2012, 22:54 pm
Not going to look back through all the posts but can someone tell me if the Poop Volcano eventually erupted today? It’s been coming for our little kiwi friend……..I’m sure another enforced absence at the insane asylum (no internet there) is in the offing……
5 Sep 2012, 22:55 pm
@Hurricane-668:
Bakkies must have been taking the piss with that post.
I sincerly hope.
5 Sep 2012, 22:56 pm
is this i love Bakkies mofo trying to be the SA equivalent of Pooper? He’s getting a bit boring now.
5 Sep 2012, 23:06 pm
@fitz1ella-669: The only reason Fourie is so prominent at the moment is because he is being played in the loosies. As an outright hooker, where he has to be play a tight game, he is definitely not better than Bismarck, neither Burden. Fourie and Burden are better than the two hookers in the test 22.
5 Sep 2012, 23:07 pm
@Robzim-671:
lol
No he actually believes that Kiwi coaches have not done much in the international scene.
I dont think Henry was ever a poor coach. actually any of those coaches are good coaches. No doubt they would probably struggle in the South African setup as most do but does not take away that they are good coaches.
5 Sep 2012, 23:11 pm
@Hurricane-674: did pooper volcano eventually blow today? where is he, he normally lives on here?
5 Sep 2012, 23:38 pm
@Humphrey-675:
Poppa comes on, makes sure all you guys are ok and if any misbehave he is here to help. Wont find anyone on here that cares for you guys as much as Poppa
6 Sep 2012, 00:41 am
Have to agree with some of the posters here.Meyer is setting up DV for a massive fall here.When that happens ,all the attention will be on DV instead of another expected kak performance from MS.
6 Sep 2012, 04:07 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-61:
“race based income inequality is a fact of life in nz society as a whole, you would be a fool to think the brown brothers you tout so much in the ab’s are payed as much overall as their white brothers in the team.”
Where do you come up with this stuff Houston? Jonah in his time earned more than his team mates from his Nzru contract and I would expect Dan Carter to be the highest paid in the Abs now, obviously there is more to it than the colour of your skin when the Ab player/ agent and the Nzru try to negotiate a contract.
6 Sep 2012, 04:16 am
Geez. I just take a break for a boskak and I come back to befukte rumble..?
6 Sep 2012, 05:46 am
@Te Rangatira-678:
Te, Houston says a lot without facts, and hopes no one actually hits him up about his comments.
I know for a fact that Tana was paid very well.
Skin colour in NZ has nothing to do with what you get paid. Bakkies is just showing his up bringing, not his fault. But needs to wind his head in especially when talking about another country.
6 Sep 2012, 08:00 am
@Te Rangatira-678:
tr, i hate to say it but its probably true. jonah would have been the statistical anomaly which when averaged out would still show an income disparity between white and brown ab players historically.
dan carter again being an exceptional player in a public relations type position would eran a good salary, but again when averaged out i would hazard it is still less than white players have received. besides, carter hardly qualifies as brown.
my point was that considering the facts of race based income inequality in nz, which persists to the present, i would expect this to be reflected within nz rugby and quite probably all the way up to the ab’s.
and this point was only made in response to china taking digs at sa and its refusing to allow ‘brown brothers’ (as he says) to play in sa. he uses this and biased refs as the blame for the boks dominance of the ab’s.
it was a road he went down and i too do like go a ride every so often (we’re both chops).
@Hurricane-680:
you think whatever you like about it hurri,
its still true. not looking for a fight about it, but it is.
race based income inequality is a fact of life in nz as much as it is in many other parts of the world.
6 Sep 2012, 08:02 am
and i too do like go a ride every so often = and i too do like to go a ride every so often
6 Sep 2012, 08:14 am
and i too do like to go for a ride every so often
6 Sep 2012, 08:31 am
@Hurricane-668: What a load of tripe….Henry, Gatland, Deans, Smith, possibly Mitchell…..NZ must have the best coaches in the world. I wish it weren’t so but it’s the truth.
6 Sep 2012, 08:35 am
@Finfan-673: I am not so sure, in Super rugby/currie cup the smaller mobile hookers really stand out but throw Burden/Fourie into test rugby where everything is tighter and collisions are everything as opposed to looser play I would be happpier with Strauss/Liebenberg in my test team. Both really good players but not Bok quality.
6 Sep 2012, 09:19 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-681:
Hi Houston…..how you been doing? I think you are confused. You go on about the “facts of raced based income inequality in Nz” when I think you mean the difference in average median income between say Maori and European Nzer and Maori avg income would be lower for sure because more are unemployed and work in lower paying occupations, fact.It certainly doesn’t mean a Maori GP will earn less than a Pakeha GP because of his/her ethnicity, or a Maori who may become an Ab will earn less than a Pakeha who also becomes an Ab in the same position because of skin colour or historical stereotypes.
Oh in my post #678 Carter was my white example and Jonah my brown Thankyou my friend.
6 Sep 2012, 09:27 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-456: This is hilarious as back in January and after last years currie cup final everyone wanted a kiwi coach ? How cruel are the rugby gods !
6 Sep 2012, 09:28 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-681:
See the first line says it all when you said ” its probably true ”
You dont know so why say that sort of thing. Its fuckn rude to sit in another country and start talking a load of Bollocks about another country.Especially about race issue.
I am a Maori so you can stick your no based facts up your a$$
6 Sep 2012, 09:30 am
@stew-687:
Stew, Bakkies is a couple sandwiches short of a picnic. Dont bother what he says.
6 Sep 2012, 13:51 pm
@Skeppie-684: I don’t mind them having top coaches especially when they end up coaching foreign teams. I don’t even mind them having some of the top players, what bothers me is them having the referees on-side too – that’s just taking the proverbial.
6 Sep 2012, 14:23 pm
@Te Rangatira-686:
hi tr hope you’re well too,
no i mean not only is there a difference in income due to unemployment and maoris holding lower paying occupations. i would venture there is a difference in the salaries paid to whites and browns (is there a better term? i’m using nzchina’s term) in the private/corporate sector and if averaged out would reflect along racial lines. the world is cruel in many ways and this is a phenomenon the world over.
i’m sure it would be difficult for a maori gp in a public institution hospital not to be paid the same as a white gp and the same probably holds true for most if not all public/government instituitons i would hope. is government your biggest employer though?
i am pretty certain than historically it would have been the case that brown ab’s received less compensation than white ab’s (in whatever form that compensation may have been given) in the present i have to agree that it probably does not happen but i am not entirely certain and neither you or i have this data at hand to show otherwise.
do the ab’s receive a set contrat length payment type dealt and on top of that match fees for winning or losing?
i thought carter was white but didn’t realise jonah was brown haha just kidding
@stew-687:
well stew, hand on my heart i can tell you that i certainly was not one of the people supposedly calling for a kiwi to coach the boks.
@Hurricane-688:
i am sorry if i offended you hurri and do apologise for doing so. no malice intended at all. it is a touchy subject and will stop.
if it makes any difference i’ll say this is a phenomena the world over and not anything particular to nz alone. also, in my defense i will say that the point was in response to nzchina baiting/goading me about sa historically denying ‘brown brother’ ab’s form playing in sa as the reason for the boks dominating nz.
6 Sep 2012, 22:05 pm
@Big Hit-690:
lol yeah right.
You have to be kidding me now that you think all coaches from NZ no matter who they coach are looked after by the refs.
Didnt realise France had a kiwi coach in RWC 2007?
Strange even the english refs are corrupt, like the english team swapping balls and fielding 16 men in RWCs.
6 Sep 2012, 22:37 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-691:
OK understand, all good.
But what NZchina said is what actually happened.
SA didnt want the Maoris on there soil. But what should also be said is that the NZRU and public are just as much to blame. They still toured and let it happen,bloody cowards.
Bad times for both countries i think and both to blame.
7 Sep 2012, 07:15 am
@Hurricane-693:
i know but why bring it up? to prove a ‘we’re better than you’ point? and was it in relation to the point at hand or topic of discussion?
hence my response to him that even though this may have been true it was also true that those self same ‘brown brother’ ab’s were being compensated for their services to nz along racial lines too.
he threw a rock and i threw one back.
anyway, its done and dusted. agreed, bad times and the world is certainly a better place in many ways.
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