Comments on: Hooper’s hyped for Bok bashers

By: KeurboomPark

KeurboomPark — Thu, 06 Sep 2012 00:20:22 +0000

@xtremebull-39: Claton Blommetjies? Sounds like a porn star.

By: cab

cab — Wed, 05 Sep 2012 21:04:18 +0000

Ra8 – Coetzee not my 1st choice but I think he make a good player off bench or 8.

Talking about pretorius tge ovs scrummie who went to waratahs and they subbed him – fools

By: xtremebull

xtremebull — Wed, 05 Sep 2012 20:51:17 +0000

Add elton jantjies please… Can not forget the best flyhalf in country now!!!

By: xtremebull

xtremebull — Wed, 05 Sep 2012 20:49:37 +0000

I think if you think about the next generation then we do talk about something like

15-lambie or taute
14-pietersen or basson
13-engelbrecht or jordaan
12-steyn or de jong
11-rhule or mvovo
10-goosen or lambie
9-hougaard or van zyl
8-stander or botha
7-coetzee or kolisi
6-brussow or kolisi
5-kruger or etzebeth
4-etzebeth or elstadt
3-cilliers or coenie
2-chilly or strauss
1-coenie or kitshoff

Names I’ll put in to make the 30 full is the likes of peter steph-du toit
Paul willemse
Derrick minnie
Frans malherbe
Scarra ntubeni
Nick groom
Handre pollard
Jan serfontein
Clayton blommetjies
Jp du plessis

That’s our core of the future

By: hanneslom

hanneslom — Wed, 05 Sep 2012 20:34:57 +0000

@KeurboomPark-16: forgive him for what plonker?

By: RAI8

RAI8 — Wed, 05 Sep 2012 20:28:05 +0000

Pretorius is brilliant! I’d agree on that! But personally I’d much rather see Arno Botha as a backup 8 than Coetzee. Both fantastic though.

By: fitz1ella

fitz1ella — Wed, 05 Sep 2012 20:24:00 +0000

Not Potgieter its Pretorius at 9.. I reckon that’s who he’s thinking about..

Yip

Hougaard – Pretorius are the 2 best No.9′s currently in SA with Van Zyl of Cheetahs 3rd choice.

And Coetsee best position is 8.. he’s not a 7 or a 6.. but could be a very good 8 given the game time.

By: RAI8

RAI8 — Wed, 05 Sep 2012 20:17:28 +0000

@cab which potgieter do you want at no9? And personally, I’d bring Big Joe to cover at no8, but if you want a youngster to cover for Duane, why not Arno Botha? He’s played more no8 than Coetzee.. the rest of the team is good though in my opinion…

By: KeurboomPark

KeurboomPark — Wed, 05 Sep 2012 20:10:40 +0000

@cab-32: You have my vote

By: RAI8

RAI8 — Wed, 05 Sep 2012 20:07:20 +0000

@ cab coetzee is no nr8, and jdv is not a wing.

By: cab

cab — Wed, 05 Sep 2012 19:48:56 +0000

1. Beast Gurthro
2. Bismarck Fourie Brits Rallapelle (in that order)
3. Cilliers Coenie Jannie
4. Elstadt Bakkies
5. Etsebeth Kruger
6. Brussow Louw
7. Alberts Kolisi
8. Vermeulen Coetzee

9. Hougaard Potgieter
10. Goosen Lambie Morne
11. Jdv Habana
12. Frans Serfontein
13. JdJ
14. JP Rhule
15. Viljoen Aplon

He;s got next generation and some veterans, power and skill.

By: cab

cab — Wed, 05 Sep 2012 19:44:09 +0000

2 wordclass sa hookers not selected – Deon Fourie and Schalk Britz wouldve brought some much needed impetus. strauss and liebenberg are not Boks.

2 worldclass no 4s, bakkies and elstadt not selected.

1 beast replacement and a moerse addition

If HM wanted to go conservative he shouldve pulled Gurthro and Bakkes back into the squad for 1 year – definitely not FdP or Matfield.

Throw in Heinrich Brussow and Juan de Jong, trying a new 10 in Goosen and a new 3 in Cilliers – and this could be a moerse good Bok side, which might even end up surprising everyone immediately.

By: fitz1ella

fitz1ella — Wed, 05 Sep 2012 19:32:13 +0000

This a half baked team

Beast in front row
Etzebeth, second row
Louw, Alberts, Vermeulen – back row

F. Steyn, centers

Cilliers, Goosen – bench

Those about the only top caliber players we have at this level

Strauss, JPP

Pienaar, M. Steyn

Hougaard – out of position, Habana

Kirchner

Vd Merwe, Lambie, Mvovo

all reasonably mediocre at top tier test level.

Less than 50% top caliber players to bring back the bacon.. well that’s quite a tall order for anyone aiming for the stars.

By: RAI8

RAI8 — Wed, 05 Sep 2012 19:22:41 +0000

What I do like is that Goosen is a specialized flyhalf. We need to handle him with extreme caution, at least he wont be stuffed around like Frans Steyn was as well as Ruan Pienaar, they were constantly shuffled around in the backline, instead of moulding them into specialized players in their respective positions. The trip up north did Frans and Ruan the world of good, they got out of the SA spotlight and critisism from the media, and focused on getting their game back on track.

By: cab

cab — Wed, 05 Sep 2012 18:53:28 +0000

yeah exactly, plus if they win strauss and jannie and coetzee cemented – i dont think they going to win tho, and its a shame cos they going to be motivated to high heaven for this one, and then whats left? nz? godgerd waar is die perd…

By: fitz1ella

fitz1ella — Wed, 05 Sep 2012 18:37:14 +0000

I think he’s only using Samo for short stint up front to rough Vermeulen and Alberts up and then he unleash Higginbottom maybe even at 40 minutes or earlier soon as Samo wears out.

Dennis quite a big bruiser unit and Shipperly got some gas and makes yards every time he gets the ball.

I’m not sold on Barnes who is just another Morne Steyn with slightly better field kicking game, and Cooper blows hot and cold..

Sharpe is not a huge threat puts in the effort but don’t have the fire of Simmonds and Horwill

Its a 50/50 game with both teams not fully functional.. Boks could sneak it but it could mask some pertinent weaknesses and if we win with Hougaard at wing and Pienaar at 9 then could be Hougaards scrum half career is finished..

on other hand if we lose with Vermeulen and Goosen thrown in half cooked their own careers could be jeopardized so I dunno if this game is a win – win or a lose – lose.

By: cab

cab — Wed, 05 Sep 2012 18:24:39 +0000

Its actually not a good ozzie team – higginbottam or beau robinson should be starting, pocock is out injured, where is horwell at and mitchell or nsw winger peter ***, mccabe should be in place of barnes – they actually picking as bad as we are, and its in perth – going to be very interesting.

By: groen

groen — Wed, 05 Sep 2012 18:16:06 +0000

@willievz-2: Good point there are other ways to clear out a ruck nowadays . Especially the way the Northern hemisphere plays but if you are slow you will get pinged .Going low and hard doesn’t always work so maybe to twist the player out of the way (legally of course then you still have the problem of a guy that needs to go for the ball.

Not this —-> http://youtu.be/XzxGBzqJzGc

But this is what I mean http://youtu.be/Yzge8Hs1TN8

By: cab

cab — Wed, 05 Sep 2012 18:14:11 +0000

If they’d picked higginbottom, think oz mighta been in with a shout, but i dunno much about Dennis or Timani, Sharpe is old and Alexander is like Jannie, mediocre. However, Moore is hundred times better than either of our hookers. Robison and Beast both outstanding, so pretty much evens there but Beast prob going to be out on his feet and getting kakked on by Meyer when it should be the others 4 in the tight 5 that need to start contributing.

berrick barners and sjipperely so-so, but the others could rip us a new one.

tough game to call – Boks are going to come out like men possessed – they literally going to be prepared for war. But this Bok pack not that war-like , oz can weather that storm and use their brains if match goes on.

By: fitz1ella

fitz1ella — Wed, 05 Sep 2012 18:11:54 +0000

The fun has kinda gone out of the exuberance of this game

I don’t want to see some players reputation and careers getting hurt at the expense of the coaches blind inadequacies.. so its like a double edge sword hanging off the guillotine

Meyer needs to get woken up from his abysmal slumber.. but then at same time he got players that have to buy into his philosophy because its their careers he’s actually playing dice with… and he only really is concerned with his own head.. not theirs.