KeoTV: Missed opportunity

KeoTV: Missed opportunity

5 Sep 2012

MARK KEOHANE says Heyneke Meyer’s conservatism in sticking with Morné Steyn will be costly.


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  • 101.WP-Forever: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:03 pm

    @katman-98:

    What they hell were they thinking, were they thinking at all?

  • 102.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:05 pm

    @Heavens Game-100: Now if you look at this backline:

    9 McLeod/Reinach
    10 Lambie
    11 Mvovo/Sithole
    12 Steyn/Whitehead
    13 Jordaan
    14. JPP/Ludik/Odungwane
    15 Ludik/Viljoen

    And this excludes rumoured moves to the Dynamite of Jantjies, Taute and others….

    And you look at the current Bok backline, and the direction it seems to be moving, in terms of personnel and playing style….

    I tell which backline is far superior… and that backline ain’t the Boks especially if Hougaard at 9, JdV at 13 and Kirchner at 15…

  • 103.katman: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:08 pm

    @WP-Forever-101: We’ve reached the limit of my ability to quote the Parlaphonies. Thank god.

  • 104.gunther: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:08 pm

    @katman-98:

    Arggh they’re only human.

  • 105.WP-Forever: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:10 pm

    @katman-103:

    We started something good, but now it’s got to end.

  • 106.TooMuchRugby: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:10 pm

    @WP-Forever-101:
    What the hell…..What the hell….

  • 107.katman: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:14 pm

    @gunther-104: @WP-Forever-105: huh?

    @TooMuchRugby-106: That sounds familiar.

    The only one I know is “Here comes the man”, and no thanks to the runny mascara gang.

  • 108.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:14 pm

    @londonshark-92:
    @TooMuchRugby-94:
    player of the month R10000 prize award courtesy of absa.

    he’s grown leaps and bounds this season has put on weight, runs direct and hard, strong on the tackle and of course his kicking (allround) is top notch.

    i really think he is there or there abouts in the pecking order.

  • 109.londonshark: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:14 pm

    @RL-99:

    Ha ha, look, if you honestly think Elton is the best 10 in SA, we must agree to disagree.

    Elton is very good, but because of his time with the Lions, no one knows how good he actually is. I hope he moves to the Stormers next year, then we can talk.

  • 110.londonshark: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:16 pm

    @i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-108:

    Oh wow, player of the month in a HUGELY watered down Currie Cup, based on ONE match against the team that has lost the most players to the Boks.

    No, Fouche is not even Super Rugby quality I’m afraid.

  • 111.capebull: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:18 pm

    @RL-77: Agreed ,furthermore to change 8,9 and 10 in one go is risky.

  • 112.RL: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:19 pm

    @Heavens Game-102: I hope that Elton moves to the guppies – that will end the Lambie flyhalf experiment and will save us from hearing what a great and natural 10 he is from all there whinging guppies.

    I bet that Mr and Mrs Jantjies and Mr and Mrs Lambie did not know what Mr and Mrs Goose were doing 20 years ago.

  • 113.capebull: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:19 pm

    Lambie played last year at 10 and we lost big time in Auz, o ja but those losses was WO fault

  • 114.TooMuchRugby: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:20 pm

    @londonshark-110:
    Even if it was a watered down Currie Cup, it was still way more entertaining to watch than anything the Boks dished up lately.
    But I do agree with you, Fouche is one-dimensional like Steyn. Not the kind of player we need for the future.
    But it seems thats the kind of player Bakkies and his chronies like. What else should we expect from the Bullies

  • 115.londonshark: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:20 pm

    @RL-112:

    Lol, here we go :)

    Lambie will be the Sharks 10 for many years to come.

    For Eltons sake, he needs to move to the Stormers (and for the Stormers sake too).

  • 116.londonshark: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:21 pm

    @TooMuchRugby-114:

    Lol, I agree. The Currie Cup is at least good to watch.

  • 117.londonshark: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:22 pm

    @capebull-113:

    So that’s one game. Morne is getting chance afer chance after chance. When will it end??

  • 118.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:22 pm

    I am starting to sneakily suspect that King Heyneke may not rate some players, not because they are bad players, but because they might not fit some sort of obsessive compulsive “netjies” picture of the player profile he would like in his “we are a family” type of team environment….

    This “we are a family” thing sounds great on a superficial level, but it is but a small spiderweb strand from a full blown fascist type of setup…

    Maybe Keegan Daniel, Kankowski, Lambie dont fit the picture because they are too soutie…

    Maybe Jantjies doesn’t because of his weird hairstyle – i.e. Creativity gone wrong… prone to subversive activities

    Maybe Brussouw doesn’t fit the picture because he asks too many questions and is a bit too much of a windgat Vrystaater… “schemes he’s too tough” of iets.

    Ridiculous suggestions…? Yeah, maybe… but not so far away in terms of absurdity as some of the illogical decisions Meyer is starting to make, and the utterances that are coming from his mouth..

    Quite frankly it is disappointing because I had high hopes for this fellah.

  • 119.WP-Forever: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:23 pm

    @Heavens Game-118:

    Only now?

  • 120.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:24 pm

    @londonshark-110:
    fair enough only because he hasn’t had a good long run yet.
    watch this space same time next year.

  • 121.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:27 pm

    @i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-108: louis fouche is pants man, msteyn clone!

    Steyn says he arrived at the Bulls as a running flyhalf, but was sucked into their more conservative style of play, something he is trying to shrug off at the moment to become a more complete player.

    Morne said “I decided myself that it was something I wanted to do. I really didn’t have too much option in the past, and it was rather monotonous to play that way. I wanted to be able to move with the ball more, to run a bit flatter and I have started that. I feel it is one of the most important and correct decisions I’ve ever taken in my career.”

    Steyn knows all too well that Johan Goosen, the Bloemfontein wunderkid, is snapping at his heels. But he isn’t likely to give up his jersey too quickly.

    “I rate Johan – he’s a fantastic young player and really had an unbelievable first year. But he has time and he needs more experience. It is important not to throw him in at the deep end too early.”

  • 122.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:27 pm

    @RL-112: Dont be silly… Sharks are big enough for both Lambie and Jantjies especially with the length of rugger seasons and especially Super Rugby nowadays…

    Fark me, it will be schweet like a lemon if these two who are rated probably 4th and 5th in line for the Bok 10 slot become S15 champs next year… Over the darlings from North and South…

  • 123.capebull: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:28 pm

    @londonshark-117: Goosen will take over soon , and Pollard will take over from him.

  • 124.capebull: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:30 pm

    @Heavens Game-118: You said it “Ridiculous suggestions”

  • 125.TooMuchRugby: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:32 pm

    @Heavens Game-118:
    HM actually hinted as this kind of prejudices when he was appointed already, speaking about how he values certain “personality traits” above natural talent and all that bull. I’ve seen right through it from the beginning, but was labelled a bigot for my suspicions, while the rest of you wankers were to busy drooling on his feet to take notice.

    This is now my time to say: “Ek het jou mos gese”

  • 126.RL: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:32 pm

    @londonshark-115: if Elton moves to the guppies he replaces Lambie, if he moves to the Cape he replaces Grant – it is a fact of life. He only plays in one position and that is 10. So he will either push the Labster to 15 or he will push Grant to 12.

    Bet on it.

  • 127.TooMuchRugby: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:34 pm

    @capebull-124: Is it difficult to breathe with your head in the sand?
    Or is it up HM’s ***?

  • 128.WP-Forever: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:34 pm

    @TooMuchRugby-125:

    Heyneke Meyer prefers his team homogenous (just like Tacitus).

  • 129.gunther: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:35 pm

    @TooMuchRugby-125:

    You are a bigot.

    As you were.

  • 130.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:36 pm

    @Transformation-121:
    you really ar being unfair on fouche, transie.

    what does he have to do with morne’s opinions on rugby or goosen.

  • 131.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:36 pm

    @WP-Forever-119: Why are you suddenly so farken clever… Heyneke vacuuming up all the WePee darlings to put next his Bulletjies… Boks are fast becoming North and South full of the “traditional strengths” of SA rugby, playing a brand of rugby nearly identical to Stormers in this years S15…

    Meanwhile Sharkies can just carry on quietly on top of the CC log and build towards winning S15 next year…

    This is back to the future… While the Boks go back to N Trvl/WP establishment – the real anti establishment team, the Sharks get back to their roots of playing Isak Van Heerden Total Rugby and win S15 next year… All while the Boks astound the world with Stormers style rugger played by Bulls, WP players, a few token Sharkies and one two tame Vrystaters…

  • 132.Yetirat: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:37 pm

    @keo-7: Keo, Heyneke has stated previously that he doesn’t view Lambie as a 10 but rather a 15. You can’t really drop Morne to the bench and then go to Lambie who hasn’t played a full game at Flyhalf for the Boks and say listen we now want you to start, but we’re only placing enough faith in you for 60 mins and then we’re bringing SOMEONE ELSE on who we have long term plans for. You can’t churn through 3 flyhalves like that.

  • 133.capebull: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:37 pm

    @TooMuchRugby-127: Relax , I did not say anything; @Heavens Game-118: You said it “Ridiculous suggestions” he did

  • 134.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:39 pm

    @capebull-124: Yup, like farken the ridiculous decisions being made and the flip flopping bulldust that is starting to become more common from the mouth of King Heyneke…

  • 135.capebull: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:39 pm

    @Heavens Game-131<

  • 136.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:43 pm

    @TooMuchRugby-125: You said nothing… You have a dislike of Meyer, not for rugger reasons, but because of his Blue tinge from the beginning, like all good people from the South… Its nothing more than undisguised envy for people from the North and their relative success in rugby over the recent decade or two.
    But now you should be in 7th heaven where Heyneke uses a Stormers style game, copied from him in the first place, to go and conquer the world with his Heiliger Magtige Stormtroepies from the North and South.

  • 137.Puma: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:43 pm

    @capebull-113: Have you lost your memory? Remember the 1st side Boks were all in Rustenburg training for the world cup. We went to Oz and Nz with a 2nd Bok side or more like a 3rd side. Don’t care which player started at flyhalf with those players against Oz and Nz, NONE would have not looked good.

  • 138.Puma: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:44 pm

    @londonshark-115: Agree.

  • 139.TooMuchRugby: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:45 pm

    @gunther-129:
    You’re posts are actually quite witty and original most of the time. This was not one of them.

  • 140.gunther: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:47 pm

    @TooMuchRugby-139:

    No humour intended buddy.

  • 141.mshiniwami: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:49 pm

    On missed opportunities

    Daniel Odongo is playing for NPC/ANZC table topping Counties after being shunted from pillar to post in SA.unhappy with his treatment @ Bulls & Sharks they Kenyan freak athlete was picked up by Tana Umaga’s Counties and playin immediately.none of the “refining bs” spoken of in SA as only way one learns is by PLAYING.Odongo has a wee bit to go as a player but he is a hit in NZ especially his potential.He sat on bench for varsity cup in SA and now playing in NZ premier competition.Watch NZ develop him into a world class player and will play superrugby next year

  • 142.Puma: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:50 pm

    @Heavens Game-100: Lambie came on for a injured Zane in the first test against England in the 2nd half. Once Lambie and Ruan came on our game changed and that was the best the Boks played in that 2nd half and again in the 2nd test the first half was our best. That was with Lambie playing fb. He was superb in both games. Nothing wrong with Lambie’s game against England.

    In the Chiefs game Plum should have had Lambie come off the bench. He was not game fit at all. Had only 40min game time since he picked up the ankle injury against England.

  • 143.TooMuchRugby: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:50 pm

    @Heavens Game-136:
    You must have misinterpreted me. The reason why I dislike HM is precisely because of his prejudices. Maybe it’s not a rugby reason, but it does impact on team selections.
    I also don’t appreciate the Stormers gameplan and I have stated before that I think the Stormers are an abomination. I’m a WP supporter.
    So we actually agree on the subject of HM’s stormtroepies.

  • 144.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:51 pm

    This netjies rugger all about “game plans”, “structure” and “traditional strengths” might just work…

    But fark me if it doesn’t and teams that evolve at the same playing a different style of rugger and become successful with Bok “discards”… its going to be embarrassing.

  • 145.TooMuchRugby: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:52 pm

    @gunther-140: I’m laughing

  • 146.capebull: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:53 pm

    @Puma-137: Ok so with that in mind we should bring back WO as well

  • 147.Spiesisworthless1: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:55 pm

    At least Heyneke has two proven world class assistant coaches to turn to and refine his gameplan if things go pear shaped. Van Graan and Loubscher, beyooooooooooootifullll.

  • 148.capebull: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:55 pm

    @mshiniwami-141: Agree on that one , I still wonder why that happened.

    He ‘s big fast

  • 149.gunther: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:55 pm

    @TooMuchRugby-145:

    Yes but you’re crying inside my little plank.

  • 150.TooMuchRugby: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:55 pm

    @mshiniwami-141:
    While I agree that Adongo was treated poorly by the Bulls, I must say that I watched him play the other day and you are correct…..He has a loooong way to go.

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