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KeoTV: Missed opportunity

5 Sep 2012

MARK KEOHANE says Heyneke Meyer’s conservatism in sticking with Morné Steyn will be costly.


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  • 151.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:55 pm

    @Puma-142: Yeah, he was good… but I still dont reckon at his best because he aggravated an ankle injury…

    At least with his bench time he must have recovered 100%

    I am excited for when he returns to play for the Sharks when Meyer probably decides that he does not fit…

    Its coming soon, I tell ya… Golden Goosen is now there… The writing is on the wall for Pat.

  • 152.Jeraldjay: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:57 pm

    @gunther-140:
    Your man Robbie P’s is looking good.

    Somma a opening bowler.

  • 153.gunther: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:59 pm

    @Jeraldjay-152:

    He’s awesome :lol:

  • 154.Puma: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 16:59 pm

    @capebull-56: Lambie was our 1st choice fh at Sharks this year. He played more games there than at 15. Think it was because the season was so long that some has forgotten this. Lambie picked up a injury later and then Fred played there but once he was over that injury Lambie played fh again. Against the Chiefs at the Tank when we got back home and the Landers and Force then picked up flu when we were due to play Cheetahs and Fred took over at fh. Then the next week against the Stormers we needed to win that game so Plum needed to have both his play makers on so had Fred at 10 with Lambie at 15. Then Lambie picked up a injury playing for Boks against England. Then Fred played fh at Sharks. Fred only played there because mostly Lambie was injured.

    Another think no way was Lambie rubbish against England at 15. He was actually superb in both tests he played for Boks in the 2nd half of the first test when we played our best and again in the 2nd test in the first half when again we played great rugby. So Lambie can play great at fb just that he is a better fh.

  • 155.Puma: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 17:01 pm

    @Puma-154: 2nd paragraph – think – thing

  • 156.Puma: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 17:03 pm

    @Heavens Game-151: Well one thing he was way better than Zane he had a great game in both tests at 15. Only he is better at fh which is his preferred position.

    Yes he will be our 1st choice fh again next year. Can’t wait to see that backline you mentioned in a earlier post.

  • 157.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 17:04 pm

    @i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-130: the root of all this nonsense is heyneke chief!

    ‘I can improve a lot as an attacking flyhalf,’ Steyn said, before theorising about the root of his struggles. ‘When I arrived at the Bulls in 2003 I was more of an attacking flyhalf, but coach Heyneke Meyer explained to me that if I wanted to take the step up I needed to improve my tactical kicking game.

    ‘It’s the kicking that’s doing the job at the moment. The Bulls and Boks play more of a kicking than running game, so it required me to adjust accordingly. But having said that, my running game has suffered as a result. I know I have to grow that area of my game.’

    Steyn was confident that he, and by extension the collective, would become more potent as their synergy and cohesion improved. He agreed that the World Cup success of 2007 featured panache as much as it did pragmatism in an attacking sense, but stressed that it has become a significantly more difficult to score tries this time around.

    ‘You have to consider that every team in the tournament has improved defensively, particularly in their gainline contest. That demands that teams have a good kicking strategy. That’s not to say there mustn’t be variation,’ he said.

  • 158.Puma: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 17:04 pm

    @Heavens Game-151: With all the bench sitting that ankle must have healed 100% by now………hahaha. Jeez feel for players that get messed about.

    Okay out of here for now. Catch up later.

  • 159.RAI8: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 17:15 pm

    Imagine SA’s cricket team if we had all our SA-born players that are in England’s side. That said, our rugby would be potent if all those blokes playing abroad would stay in SA and play domestic rugby, however, money talks.

  • 160.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 17:17 pm

    @Puma-156: Look, as much as I dont think Zane is a great Full back, he has done nothing much too wrong… Not to say he had done nothing much right either – certainly no match winning performances like Israel Dagg… Zane is middle to good maybe just under good as an International 15…

    Lambie has been very good at 15 for the Boks, especially in the RWC, and not too bad vs England… But he will never be a great 15 like Jouba.

    I doubt he will have the opportunity this year at 10 for the Boks… But if he knuckles down at 10 in the CC this year, and S15 next year then it could be very embarrassing to leave him out by that time, especially if he spearheads a Sharks win in both comps…

  • 161.RAI8: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 17:26 pm

    Disappointed about Siya Kholisi’s injury, I think he would actually have more of an impact than what Marcell Coetzee has. Marcell is a good, young player, but Kholisi is more of an impact player and someone we could use off the bench if we started with Flouw instead of Marcell. Also, if we want Lambie at 15, why don’t we start him in these games and groom him into the perfect 15, and drop Zane to the bench, or out completely?

  • 162.Spiesisworthless1: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 17:26 pm

    @Heavens Game-160: It’s a golden era of fullbacks at the moment though. Kearney, Dagg, Beale, Halfpenny, Foden. So many great, match winning fullbacks running around and we have to settle for the most mediocre, middle of the road fullback imaginable.

  • 163.nama1: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 17:28 pm

    @Heavens Game-100:
    “While the Boks are only moderately successful with a win % of 60% by that time, playing a dour game with majority Bulls and Stormers darlings….”

    What happened to the BullSharkBoks???

    The blue, black and green DYNAMITE!!!

    BOOM!!!

    :lol: :lol:

    @londonshark-109:
    It is exactly BECAUSE of his time with the Lions that we know how good he is. Any back line player, let alone flyhalf, who can perform as well as he does consistently (bar the odd off day), behind the pack that the Lions have must be very good.

    Just imagine for a minute Morne Steyn playing for the Lions behind that pack. He would not have been close to be a Bok.

    Why does he need to play for another franchise for his talents to be recognize?

    Jantjies has shown throughout the season how good he actually is. Definitely better than Morne and Lambie.

  • 164.papaown: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 17:30 pm

    @Heavens Game-160: thanks for that. The vitriol being spewed@ Zane is uncalled especially since he hasn’t done anything wrong.

    He’s no Dagg for sure but Lambie@15 for Sharks was consistently undercooked, infact his performances@15 were shoddy to say the least.

    He was devastating@10 though,I must admit!

  • 165.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 17:31 pm

    @Spiesisworthless1-162: I tell you who could have been a great FB for the Boks, and that is Aplon… But by goodness, Stormers with their style of play, and the fact they kept swapping him with Joe Pietersen have farked his career up no end… Similarly for JdJ and how he’s had to make way for Jean De Villiers…

  • 166.RAI8: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 17:33 pm

    @londonshark yes Jantjies is very good, and has improved so much since he started, but I don’t think he has the maturity of a player like Goosen or Lambie or Morne in a tight Test match where crucial decision-making is crucial.

  • 167.nama1: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 17:37 pm

    @RAI8-159:
    Who would you drop for the players in the England setup?

  • 168.papaown: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 17:37 pm

    @nama1-163: Couldn’t agree more about Jantjies!

    I’ve heard a lot of cr.ap excuses over the years about how eg. A MS poor game can be excused because of a lack of dominance from a forward pack

    Yet we have a player who has consistently defied that thinking. Look he’s not Dan Carter, just saying he deserves more recognition than he currently gets!

  • 169.papaown: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 17:41 pm

    @RAI8-166: That’s garbage man!

    Jantjies has outplayed Lambie 5 times out of their last 6 encounters!

    Goosen has barely featured in enough S15 rugby games to have any confidence in his maturity for tight games.

    As for MS, he’s shown mental aptitude in tight games in his debut season but his last 2 seasons has shown a fragility unappreciated by those who excuse his performances for the dominance of the pack or type of scrummy he plays with…which is ridiculous!

  • 170.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 17:41 pm

    @papaown-164: Lambie at 15 for the Sharks undercooked? You mean the final, yeah? Chrissakes, I already written a thread about Lambie and his injury…

    Sheezus, I’m actually beginning to think some of you okes on the same stupid juice as Bok coaches seem to drink… Maybe that apple flavoured “Our Blood is Green” Energade stuff is not good for you…

    Maybe you must limit yourself when you drink that stuff because I tell you what… you okes keep Morne Steyn and Golden Goosen in the Boks and the meanwhile Sharks will welcome back Lambie for CC and S15 next year…

    When Sharks win CC this year and S15 next year with Lambie at 10, I will remind okes how “average” or “shoddy” a player they thought he was…

    It seems chaps have short memories because Lambie’s season at 10 in 2011 was outstanding. This year has been a farkup through injury and this sudden requirement for him to boot a ball 60m + just to be considered as Bok 10 when his accurate 45m – 50m kicks were just fine along with his very good advantage line direct play and excellent distribution….

  • 171.Robzim: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 17:42 pm

    @Spiesisworthless1-162:

    The last real good fullback we had was probably Joubert and before him Gysie Pienaar – before him we probably had to go back to HO de Villiers in the seventies who was perhaps the best of them all.

  • 172.RAI8: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 17:43 pm

    I’d drop Strauss and bring in Schalk Britz, put Etzebeth on the bench and start Bakkies, and bring back Big Joe as utility forward to cover 6, 7 or 8. Those are just 3 guys off the top of my head, but there are more guys there that are off the radar and could add a lot of potency to our domestic sides.

  • 173.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 17:49 pm

    @nama1-163: Ja, Nama, the dream is cracking up fast…

    But then again Im happy in a way… Sharks as the anti-establishment team is always a good fit… Like they were in 1990, when they werent ever supposed to win CC in another 100 yrs, and like they were in Tommy Bedfords era – giving a big up yours to the Stormtroepies from the North and South…

    Naah, Im happy… Win win for me…

    I still have hope that Heyneke will get the Boks going though, but at this netjies se rate I may not have that “my blood is green” feeling to the same extent as I have had in the past… Maybe its time for a Sharks rebel yell against the North South “traditional” establishment again…

    Just like the Last Outpost old days

    :lol:

  • 174.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 17:49 pm

    @nama1-163: heyneke dared to drop the “christian cullen of loosies” & pick “fat spermwhale” vermuelen against all guppy wisdom…

    what more does heyneke have to do the BENCH lambie for 2 games to show the guppys he does NOT rate their boy wonder AT ALL? :-) now he has fasttracked goosen… yho!

  • 175.nama1: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 17:56 pm

    @papaown-168:
    These guys are not honest.

    @Robzim-171:
    Johan Heunis was not too shabby.

    Gysie only had about 3 good test matches before Heunis replaced him, remember? He lost his adventurous nature when playing for the Boks after the Bill Beaumont Lions series.

  • 176.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 18:01 pm

    @Transformation-174: Ag, Transie, you such a flip flopping “expert”… from Sharkworld nogal… that you don’t even know which side of any line you even stand any more…

    Contrary to what you try so hard to portray – I actually understand why Meyer gooi’d Keegan… Heck, most coaches in SA wouldn’t know how to fit Keegan in their team… Can you imagine AC or Solomons playing Keegan? Farkoff if your reply is afirmative because you would be talking out of your lying, fantasising shangaan dutpipe. :lol:

    Just another thing… since you seem to be resident expert on game plans, could you possibly copy and paste a proper game plan from somewhere or possibly explain what a game plan is?

    (I suspect however this might be as definitive an explanation as you had on “Transformation” when I asked you about that… :lol: )

  • 177.nama1: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 18:02 pm

    @Heavens Game-173:
    That was an impossible dream, HG. :lol:

    @Transformation-174:
    :lol: :lol:

    Reality can be such a female dog sometimes. :wink:

  • 178.Robzim: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 18:02 pm

    @Heavens Game-173:

    The bad news for you is that the Sharks are no longer the anti-establishment team that they certainly were in the days of bedford etc. Perhaps you must blame it on the influx of the Free Staters- they were never the type who liked to rebel or who brought “romance” to the party but they brought you some silverware.

    These farkin trade-offs :)

  • 179.RAI8: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 18:03 pm

    @ papaown, I agree MS has been out of form, and a scrummy and pack of forwards cannot be blamed, I still believe Goosen is the guy we need, he has shown what it takes to out play the best of the best, and Jantjies (in my opinion) does not have the level-head of Johan Goosen. Jantjies has a tendancy of doing stupid things like trying to chip the ball over the defencive line, only to kick it into the opposition ‘s hands. Goosen has a great attacking game as well as defence and tactical kicking too, and I wont even mention his goal kicking abilities, because his stats speak the loudest.

  • 180.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 18:05 pm

    @nama1-175: Yup… Heunis was the chap I was trying to recall… A bit of a kenner, this Richtersveld brannewyn sluiper, after all…

  • 181.Robzim: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 18:05 pm

    @nama1-175:

    Ja, I forgot about Heunis, he was not shabby at all. Dawie Snyman was also not bad– Monty had huge talent but they coached him into becoming a safety first type of player.

  • 182.londonshark: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 18:07 pm

    @nama1-163:

    Ja look, I also thought about that.

    But it’s sometimes the opposite. Elton looks good in a team of rubbishes, because he’s bloody good compared to many of his team mates. The Lions pack usually held their own too.

    The Lions team also broke the game up, which allowed Elton to show some skills (like how Bosman always looked good at the Cheetahs).

    I think we need to see Elton in a structured, balanced team to see if he’s up to it.

  • 183.RAI8: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 18:09 pm

    Well said londonshark

  • 184.londonshark: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 18:10 pm

    @papaown-169:

    Really, please list all 6 games and your stats that show Lambie being outplayed (in 5 of those games).

  • 185.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 18:10 pm

    @Robzim-178: Of course they are… Sharks are the go to destination for, heaven forbid, all sorts of Frenchies, Kiwis, Aussies, Scots, Poms, Argies and other makwerewere… Its a melting pot of ideas… And the Vrystaters have always been a bit of an anti-establishment type Boer as compared to those van die Ou Transvaal and the poncy holier than thou verligtes from Stellies and other parts of the Cape…

    Come now, Natal Sharks have always been anti-establishment… and always will be… From the playing field to the boardroom…

  • 186.nama1: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 18:12 pm

    @Heavens Game-180:
    “sluiper”…you making me sound like a serial killer here HG. :lol:

    FYI, I’m a Namaqualander not a Richtersvelder, although I’m very fond of that area.

  • 187.gunther: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 18:16 pm

    Suiper surely?

    :lol:

  • 188.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 18:17 pm

    @londonshark-182: Elton in Black and White will be farken excellent… Him and Lambie can drive eachother onward and upward at a rate of knots next year…

    I hope Rudi Straeuli signs him and Cilliers as per some rumours… Will only be good for the Sharks, for himself and for Lambie… Especially with the length of season and attrition next year… A team with a couple of top class 10′s will have an advantage…

  • 189.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 18:20 pm

    @nama1-186: Ja, ja okay… My Voortrekker code is a bit rusty…

    But Nama, I reckon you fit the profile… Farken Keo’s very own Dexter..

  • 190.nama1: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 18:23 pm

    @londonshark-182:
    You could’ve spoken about Goosen in the Cheetah team except for the “team of rubbishes” part.

    What are the odds that Goosen will fulfill his promise in a more structured team than the Cheetahs? Isn’t it because both of them play in the environment they currently do is what allow them to showcase their true talent? There is nowhere to hide behind a dominant pack of forwards or “structure” associated with teams like the Bulls, the Boks and the Stormers the last two years.

    No man, people trying to highlight supposed weaknesses of Jantjies while at the same time only concentrate on the strengths of the Goosens and Lambies without ever indicating weaknesses on their part, are not truly honest imo.

    How would you rate Goosens defense?

  • 191.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 18:28 pm

    @nama1-190: I tell you one thing for certain… Both Jantjies and Lambie are better tacklers than both Golden Goosen and Morne Steyn…

    That said, Morne has had a bit of a bumrap with regards to D and has in fact taken the blame for the defensive deficiencies of De Villiers more often than not, especially last year.

  • 192.Robzim: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 18:28 pm

    @Heavens Game-185:

    If you do not like the blokes from Stellies please send JP Pietersen back to where he belongs. Kabous was also from Stellies and you guys seemed to like him a lot… even ignoring the fact that he was the most wanabe surfer ever – always a board on the roof of his car but never to be found in the water.

    Ps… seeing that we are on the subject plse send capey Pieter S du Toit back as well- he will never fit in there on the longer term amongst the anti-establishment – he is even more of a bo erseun than Bismark. Only english he knows is “Jis” and “no” and “thenk jhoe”.

  • 193.nama1: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 18:30 pm

    @gunther-187:
    I just “kuier” Gunther.

    That’s what it is called in your world, isn’t it? As in, “Vokkit, ons het darem gisteraand lekker gevokken kuier.” :lol:

  • 194.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 18:35 pm

    @Robzim-192: No… Fark you… Once a Shark always a Shark…

    When they old and grey, maybe… Then we send them off to you like Tricky Dicky and Joel “Nasal” Stransky…

    JPP is a Shark legend now… Every bit of Stellies blood been washed out, cleansed and replaced with nothing more than Black and White liquid dynamite… Same with Pieter Steph in years to come.

    While Sharks are busy being enlightened rebels, you fools can go back to the “Traditional” North-South “strengths” of SA rugby and be comfortable in it…

  • 195.nama1: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 18:36 pm

    @Robzim-192:
    “thenk jhoe”.

    :lol:

  • 196.Robzim: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 18:38 pm

    @nama1-193:

    Ons het so hard gekuier en party het hoog gesuip geraak en loop nou met ‘n dik vokken babalaas :)

  • 197.Hondo: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 18:43 pm

    @Heavens Game-165:
    Thought the issue was concluded 2 weeks ago when Josh Strauss ran 3 times through him as if it was just a thin air :)

  • 198.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 18:43 pm

    @Robzim-192: And btw we liked Cabous because he was ironic… I reckon that oke couldn’t take himself seriously if he tried… Naah, Cabous could never have come from Stellies… The complete antithesis…

  • 199.gunther: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 18:44 pm

    @nama1-193:

    Nope I get gesuip.

    Nice try though.

    :lol:

  • 200.Robzim: Reply to this comment
    5 Sep 2012, 18:45 pm

    @Heavens Game-194:

    Don’t talk like that about Joel. He is won a world cup for you, he embraced the cape lifestyle and he has completed a few Cape Epic’s . Not too shabby. Hard to believe he is originally from the last outpost. Pity AJ Venter went back to Natal, he fitted in very well down south too. He even admitted on national TV the other day that he still loves the Stormers- now there is a legend who also saw the light :)

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