KeoTV: Backing Bekker

KeoTV: Backing Bekker

6 Sep 2012

MARK KEOHANE says there has to be a concerted investment in Andries Bekker.

 


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  • 201.grant10: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 14:16 pm

    South Africa
    Will Wallabies see Boks’ Goose step?
    Thu, 06 Sep 2012 09:36

    PrevNextI definitely want to give him some game time as soon as possible
    The situation in the match will be the determining factor, but Cheetahs prodigy Johan Goosen may well be unleashed on the unsuspecting Wallabies.

    The inclusion of the 20-year-old flyhalf on the Bok bench is one of several changes to the South African team for the Rugby Championship Round Three encounter with Australia in Perth on Saturday.

    Most of the attention would have focused on the Bok starting XV – where Western Province No.8 Duane Vermeulen will make his Test debut in one of five changes from the starting team that played Argentina in Mendoza recently, Willem Alberts will shift from No.8 to flank, there is a recall for lock Juandré Kruger, with Francois Hougaard moving from scrumhalf to left wing and Ruan Pienaar starting his first Test of 2012 at scrumhalf.

    However, probably the most exciting of all coach Heyneke Meyer’s selection is the decision to name the Cheetahs flyhalf, Goosen, on the bench.

    Those not following South Africa’s premier domestic competition, the Currie Cup, would have seen only glimpses of Goosen’s great all-round ability as a pivot.

    He was a member of the South Africa Under-20 team that competed in the 2011 IRB Junior World Championship and was also named in the squad for the 2012 tournament, but had to withdraw due to a serious shoulder injury sustained in a Super Rugby match against the Highlanders in April.

    Ironically it was the play he produced in the lead-up to his injury, a sublime individual try, that made pundits outside of South Africa sit up and take note of a young man who was then still a teenager. He turned 20 only in July.

    Despite his lack of experience, both in terms of domestic and international rugby, the Bok coach, Meyer, has been waxing lyrical about the young star.

    “Johan Goosen, I believe, can be a world class No.10,” Meyer said without hesitation in Perth.

    “He has everything that you need from a flyhalf.”

    Meyer made it obvious that he wants to get Goosen into the system and Bok culture as soon as possible – into the team’s patterns of play.

    “The No.10 makes most of the calls, so it is important for him to spend time with the team,” the Bok mentor said, adding: “We will see how it goes on Saturday, but I definitely want to give him some game time as soon as possible.

    “It does depend on the [situation in the] game, as Morné [Steyn] is one of our more experienced players.

    “It will depend on the game.”

    Of course there is another, slightly older and more experienced, but equally talented, flyhalf on the Bok bench.

    However, Pat Lambie will most likely only get game time at fullback – if he gets on at all.

    “Pat [Lambie] is a quality No.10, but I do believe his best position for the Boks is at No.15,” Meyer said, adding: “He adds additional attacking options, especially coming from the back.

    “He is very versatile and a very skilful player.

    “I would have liked to have given him more game time in the previous Tests, but we didn’t have any players left on the bench. I don’t want to make any promises, but he is a great guy to have on the bench – if you put him on with 20 minutes left, hopefully he can do something special for the Boks.”

    The backline change to the starting XV – which now has Hougaard on the wing and Pienaar at scrumhalf, will also give the Boks more attacking options.

    Meyer said the decision was two-fold – to get Ruan Pienaar involved and move Hougaard out to the wing where he has more space.

    “Ruan [Pienaar] is a very experienced player, who has played 56 Tests for his country,” Meyer said.

    “He has a great kicking game as well.

    “Francois [Hougaard] is a great player. It doesn’t matter where you pick him, he is a game-breaker and we need those game-breaking abilities … especially away from home.

    “I am really looking to see what he can bring on the wing

  • 202.XhosaKid: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 14:16 pm

    @Jeraldjay-199: This idiot, doesn’t even know why Peterson took the new ball yesterday, clearly doesn’t know Robbie’s history, old/recent against England, he doesn’t even know or remember what happened during the world cup

  • 203.grant10: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 14:18 pm

    @grant10-201:
    So that is that then…..

    Lambie will be utilised by Meyer as a 15….

    I suggest Lambie sit down with Plumtree and discuss his future role with the Sharks….perhaps this is why Sharks are chasing Jantjes?
    Because it makes no sense for Lambie to play at 10 for Sharks if Meyer insists he is seen as a 15….

    I feel for Lambie….he needs to get this sorted…or find himself out in the wilderness…

  • 204.Sharksgirl: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 14:23 pm

    @grant10-203: This is the same situation as with Ruan, Sharks played him at 9 Boks wanted him at 10 then Sharks bow to pressure play him at 10 and PDV decided he was a 9 :( so he thought stough this I’ll play in Ireland! :cry:

  • 205.XhosaKid: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 14:23 pm

    John!!!, John!!!, where are you, I’m waiting………, are you waiting for your white brethren to rescue your dumb white arss?, when was Jacques dropped again?, why Morkel for “average” Peterson??

  • 206.carol: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 14:26 pm

    @grant10-203:

    A return of the REAL Grant10…. :-)

    Hooray, how are you old friend?

  • 207.Sharksgirl: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 14:29 pm

    @carol-206: Yes welldone, I also was relieved that Grant 10 was back to his normal self but was worried if I pointed out that nic thief would return!

    @grant10-203: Wellcome back Grant, gees in your other impersonation fluked me thought you had been abducted by aliens and came back possessed :)

  • 208.Puma: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 14:32 pm

    @grant10-201: Howzit Grant,

    Yip I just read that on rugby365. Really I am starting to not trust what Meyer says at all. First he says that Keegan’s style of play will be suited when we go to Aus to play and their he will play him. Then he drops him totally. Now this part of that article you just posted really makes the mind boggle.

    ____________________________________________________________

    “Pat [Lambie] is a quality No.10, but I do believe his best position for the Boks is at No.15,” Meyer said, adding: “He adds additional attacking options, especially coming from the back.

    “He is very versatile and a very skilful player.

    “I would have liked to have given him more game time in the previous Tests, but we didn’t have any players left on the bench. I don’t want to make any promises, but he is a great guy to have on the bench – if you put him on with 20 minutes left, hopefully he can do something special for the Boks.”

    _____________________________________________________________

    Now how could he not have brought Lambie on in Mendoza? He is on the bench mostly because he is can cover fh and fb also inside centre if he has too. BUT here Meyer says he never brought on Lambie because there were NO-ONE left on the bench? He is lying again. JJE and Lambie were left on the bench. There were two players left on the bench for that whole game. So there was a player there if he had brought on Lambie and taken off Morne. Also when game fit as we saw in the wc and again against England before he got injured, Lamie is a better fb than Zane. He offers more. So he never even came on for Zane either.

    We all know he only sees Lambie as a fb but really he is a better fh.

    Lambie must just play fh for Sharks Grant. That is where he is best for us. He should just look after himself now too. Play at the Sharks where it suits him and not Meyer. As it is very, very clear Meyer will not use Lambie unless there is injury. He is not game fit now just wasting away on the bench. Rather would have had Lambie this weekend playing for the Sharks against Griquas. Than seeing him just sitting on the bench for 80min. We need him more than the Boks do.

    Now if Meyer has any sense this weekend and we going backwards he should bring on Goosen with Lambie together. Those two will change the game for sure. Both great skilful players.

  • 209.Puma: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 14:33 pm

    @Puma-208: First paragraph. their = there

  • 210.carol: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 14:35 pm

    @Sharksgirl-207:
    Grant does have his own style….. rEMEMBER THE CLASIC SAYING….farkin caps!

  • 211.grant10: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 14:35 pm

    @carol-206: @Sharksgirl-207:
    Hi ladies….

    thank you….

    Nice to be back….but no sideshows for me….just rugby….

    been so busy of late [ a good thing ] but nice to share some rugby chat…

    Sharksgirl….I am concerned about Lambie….he will need to be firm about what he wants….imo he must specialise ….either at 10 or 15…..do what makes him happy…

    The utility tag is fine if you are prepared to spend an awful amount of time on the bench….not a place a talent like Lambie deserves….

    Jantjes even more shunned by Meyer….all the while M Steyn continues with the mediocrity….frustrating to see this going down!

    Gotta run….bloody work…

  • 212.carol: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 14:36 pm

    @Puma-208:
    Hi Pumes… That was a long post! ;-)

  • 213.carol: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 14:38 pm

    @grant10-211:

    What NO chat, just rugby?

    Fark, boring or what? :lol:

    Perhaps this is why Soda Joe is so scarce, he liked a bit of banter in the evening.

  • 214.pompies2: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 14:39 pm

    @grant10-201: “The No.10 makes most of the calls, so it is important for him to spend time with the team,” Herein lies the problem with the lack of creativity. Ideally you want the 2, 8, 9, 10, 12 axis to be the decision makers.

  • 215.grant10: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 14:39 pm

    @Puma-208: See my post 211 Puma….

    I also have my reservations about HM…..

    tHE bRUSSOW dropping still irks me !

    Damn…sorry farkin caps….[ Just for Carol ]

  • 216.carol: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 14:40 pm

    @grant10-215:

    I feel all nostalgic now !! ;-)

  • 217.Puma: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 14:40 pm

    @grant10-203: Plum played Lambie mostly at fh this year Grant. Fred only played fh when Lambie was injured or if the situation wanted it that we needed both playing at the sametime then Pat played at fb.

    Pat has said his preferred position is fh but will play where ever the coach wants him to play. Now if he is only going to be used as a bench warmer for the future at Boks then why should he be played at fb by Sharks? Let him play where he plays best and prefers to play. He is not going to be starting for Boks. If that was the case then it would be different.

    Lambie is a superb fh and I personally would want him to be playing at fh for Sharks and not fb.

  • 218.Sharksgirl: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 14:41 pm

    @grant10-211: Yep I am totally on the same page as you!!!!

  • 219.Puma: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 14:43 pm

    @grant10-215: I read it on rugby365. Pleased you put it up here as we need some articles like that.

    Yip I am starting to not trust Meyer more and more. Gave him my full support until he left our Jantjies in PE. Now he does the same to Pat. Both players could have turned those games around. Think if Elton came on in PE we would have won that game and not drawn it. Same if Pat came on at fh in Mendoza think we could have won it and not lost it. Morne offered nothing much in Mendoza.

  • 220.H: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 14:44 pm

    @gunther-5: I’m so late to this thread, but I’m not going to read the whole thing because gunther sums it up perfectly in a single sentence.

  • 221.Puma: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 14:45 pm

    @carol-212: Hello Carol,

    What you doing at home blogging and not working?… hehe.

    Yip it takes it out of my fingers those long posts………………….hahahahahaha.

  • 222.RL: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 14:54 pm

    @grant10-203: said yesterday that I hope Elton moves to the guppy tank – much better flyhalf than the Lambster. That would force Lambie to 15 and make life much easier to Heineken.

    It would also boosts Eltond claim to become the Goose’s 2ic. Win win all round.

  • 223.katman: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 15:02 pm

    @XhosaKid-196: The context? Black guys get it?

    I’m sorry, but that’s an even bigger crock of sht than your arse-owning post. It’s really becoming a bit awkward to read.

  • 224.mikeybrass: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 15:04 pm

    @RL-222: Yup. Summed up nicely.

  • 225.RAI8: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 15:09 pm

    @RL – well put!

  • 226.Puma: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 15:10 pm

    @RL-222: Elton must go to Province, they need him more than we do at Sharks. We have Lambie and he will be our 1st choice fh. My opinion Lambie is a better fh.

  • 227.mikeybrass: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 15:14 pm

    @Puma-226: I’d rather see WP develop Gary and Kurt.

  • 228.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 15:23 pm

    @Puma-226:
    you need a minimum of two good fh to compete in sr and the cc so with the frenchy gone it makes sense.
    they could fight it out for the starting fh spot.

  • 229.Puma: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 15:28 pm

    @mikeybrass-227: Yes probably always better to use your own and develop them. However, here we are in South Africa with 3 brilliant fhs. They all should be at a different franchise to make sure they all start in their perferred position.

  • 230.XhosaKid: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 15:28 pm

    @katman-223: from the guy who pointed me to CK making a joke about being white?, puzzling?, try some Steve Harvey or Bernie Mac or any other African American comedians, maybe it will help your narrow minded arss get white/black jokes, or jokes are only funny to you when a white guy makes racist jokes?

  • 231.Puma: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 15:32 pm

    @i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-228: I know that, but feel one will suffer having to be pushed back to fb to play. I rather Sharks play Pat at fh. He has always played superb for us there. Pat will be brilliant with Fransie. Can’t wait to see them playing together.

    Elton is a excellent fh too. He needs to start every game there. The only way is if he goes to Province. Plum has stated that Pat will be our 1st choice fh as he was this year until he got injured.

    Bosman played well at fh on the weekend. He can cover Pat. We also have two great fbs in Ludik and Viljoen. Province right now need Elton more than we do.

  • 232.grant10: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 15:36 pm

    @Puma-231: agree with you Puma..

  • 233.David: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 15:39 pm

    @Puma-231:
    You Guppies are a fickle bunch. :lol:
    Originally Lambie was touted as the best 15 and Bok prospect in the country. Then he became the best 12 option after which we listened to moaning about how he was being messed around when moved to 10. Which it now transpires is his best position after all. :roll:

  • 234.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 15:39 pm

    @Puma-231:
    getthefuckouttahere..?…

    meyer bosman to cover lambie at fh..?.. :shock:

    je sus

    talk about taking one step forward and two steps back

    expect sharks to flatter to deceive next season again

  • 235.mikeybrass: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 15:42 pm

    @grant10-232: Let Elton go to the Sardines or EC. We need to develop our own players.

  • 236.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 15:42 pm

    @David-233:
    whats funny for me is it would nt surprise me at all if plumtree actually did play lambie and bosman as the sharks respective fh’s next season :lol:

  • 237.stormersboy: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 15:43 pm

    Lambie is a good Flyhalf, make no mistake, BUT I agree (and have said it from the beginning) that Lambie’s best position for the Boks is full back.

    Elton should be getting the opportunity that Goosen is now getting IMO. HM has missed an opportunity with him. He takes the ball up better in structured play better than any other fly half in SA.

    We’d love to get Elton here in the Cape. With a scrummie like Groom or Schreuder inside him the whole backline will look like a totally different prospect.

  • 238.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 15:43 pm

    @XhosaKid-205: who is john galt?

  • 239.TooMuchRugby: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 15:45 pm

    Lambie…..flyhalf…..Lambie……fullback…..Lambie….Lambie…..Lambie…yaaaawn!

  • 240.katman: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 15:45 pm

    @XhosaKid-230: I truly am sorry that you just don’t get it. It means that there is an entire level of understanding that’s just not available to you. I mean if you get from that Louis CK piece that he’s racist, then you’re not even scratching the surface of his routine. You probably also think that he’s an abusive father when he calls his little girl an *******. It’s not very deep, but clearly it’s bently belt territory for you, my pedigree chum.

  • 241.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 15:45 pm

    @mikeybrass-235:
    i like the idea of him going to the kings as it would be good for the kings and make for entertaining viewing and woud also boost their transformation claims.

    of course to go from playing for the lions to playing for the kings will effectively signal the end of his potential springbok career / desire.

  • 242.grant10: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 15:45 pm

    @mikeybrass-235: Jantjes is young….would love to see him at Stormers….

  • 243.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 15:47 pm

    @Puma-208: “We need him more than the Boks do.”

    WHAT? clearly the Sharks mean more to YOU than the Boks, no?

    8)

    or you are frustrated because your favourite player is not the coach’s favourite?

  • 244.David: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 15:48 pm

    @Transformation-238:
    Paul Ryan posting under the nic.

  • 245.Puma: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 15:49 pm

    @stormersboy-237: Exactly. Province need him more bud. Lambie is pure class at fh. Just don’t want him messed about from fh to fb all of the time, just because Meyer wants him at the Boks to cover fb, then Plum needs to do as Meyer wants and play him there at the Sharks. No way we want our best fh to start at Sharks.

    @i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-234: LOL. I know but he did have a excellent game.

    @grant10-232: Yip. Think Elton’s best bet is to go to Province. Lambie will be our 1st choice fh. Jeez unless Meyer instructs Plum to play him at fb but that would be stupid as he is covering 3 postions really from the bench for Boks. And will only EVER come on if a player picks up a injury. So he should just play fh for Sharks and no where else next year.

  • 246.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 15:49 pm

    @grant10-242:
    i dont think the stormers are ready for a running/attacking fh who sets up backline plays, granty.

    it would go pear shaped for him and for the team.

  • 247.mikeybrass: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 15:50 pm

    @grant10-242: He is young but think of what the effect would be on the moral of other promising players like Kurt and Gary to have him parachuted in. No, let us develop a 4th talented flyhalf.

  • 248.XhosaKid: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 15:50 pm

    @katman-240: quite rich ( witless) words from a guy who does get ” Nyygga you got owned”, what do you think is being “owned”, heart?, mind?, off blooming course its a “whoopass!!!!”.

    In baby language, I gave John Galt a whoopass in sporting knowlegde, hence the term, I owned you beetch!!!.

  • 249.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 15:51 pm

    @Transformation-243:
    i dont think his favourite player is anyones favourite player for that matter :lol:

  • 250.XhosaKid: Reply to this comment
    6 Sep 2012, 15:52 pm

    @Transformation-238: John Galt is some dumb guy who knows nothing about Cricket and Rugby, but for some strange delusions, he offers his dumbness with *** abundance…

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