JdV: ‘Boks have a point to prove’
7 Sep 2012
Jean de Villiers believes the Springboks have plenty to work on if they want to achieve victory over the Wallabies in Perth this Saturday.
The Boks have endured an inconsistent start to the Rugby Championship, beating Argentina 27-6 in Cape Town before being held to a 16-16 draw in Mendoza. Their next opponents, the Wallabies, were dominated in their opening Tests against the All Blacks as they were beaten 27-19 in Sydney before going down 22-0 in Auckland.
Both teams have been criticised for these performances, creating plenty of pressure ahead of this weekend’s Rugby Championship Test Down Under.
Bok skipper De Villiers said his team enjoyed a good week of preparation, but stressed that they will need to improve if they are to beat the Wallabies – a side they have only beaten once over the last seven encounters.
‘Preparations in Perth have been good,’ De Villiers said on Friday. ‘We weren’t happy with our last performance against Argentina. We have a lot to work on. While the preparations have gone well, the trick will be implementing those plans for the full 80 minutes on Saturday.
‘I don’t think we can read too much into the Wallabies’ defeats to the All Blacks. They were up against a quality side, who are ranked No 1 in the world and are the World Cup winners. The Wallabies still showed a lot of positives over those two Tests.
‘Over the last seven games, we have only beaten them once. And that says a bit. Both teams will have a point to prove on Saturday, and we will go out to do that.’
However, De Villiers noted that victory in Perth won’t be easy. Despite the loss of hooker Stephen Moore (hamstring), he believed there were several other players who will be expected to play a big role for the hosts.
‘The Wallabies won’t be weakened by the loss of Stephen Moore. They have three world-class hookers, and Tatafu Polota-Nau and Saia Faingaa provide quality back-up. [Lock] Nathan Sharpe also brings a lot to that team up front, and the guys around him will make an impact … like [openside flank] Michael Hooper, who has the abilities to change the game.
‘The Wallabies are a skilled team. As as a backline, they are difficult to play against. On attack, they are very good and they are defensively solid. We need to up our game if we want to win.’
This weekend’s Bok match 22 will have a different look compared to the last one that faced the Wallabies – an 11-9 World Cup quarter-final defeat in October 2011. There’s a huge loss of experience, especially among the forwards, but De Villiers believes the young players will use this opportunity to prove they deserve a starting place.
‘In the pack of forwards, we have about 112 Test caps,’ said De Villiers. ‘Last year, we had John Smit, who had played in 111 Tests, and Victor Matfield, who had played 110 Tests. So there is a big difference in terms of experience.
‘But the guys who have come in have done really well. This is a new Springbok team, and this is an opportunity for players to put up hand and stake a claim for position in the side. The guys have realised that.’
112 Comments
7 Sep 2012, 10:51 am
Go Bokke. Hope we win this game.
7 Sep 2012, 11:16 am
Three world class hookers? Does he think we’re morons? Moore is class and so is Polota Nau when he’s throwing straight and isnt injured. Two high class hookers then and Fainga is pretty ****. Besides that, Heynekes comments are all extremely generic and cliched, no insight to take out of them whatsoever.
7 Sep 2012, 11:26 am
@Spiesisworthless1-2: What exactly do you expect Heyneke to say? He is not going to build up Aus to more than what they are, and he is not going to give away his own strategy. Knowing Heyneke, the comment will be on the field. We will see an improved performance. He is not a miracle-worker and needs to develope a team. No SA coach (White include) had a winning team from the start. In fact, there was strong talks over firing White in the run-up to the 2007 RWC due to the teams poor performances. Heyneke is still to loose a game.
7 Sep 2012, 12:16 pm
Any oz team will be good – so an away win is a feather in his cap – the pack is looking better, louw might be needed tho.
7 Sep 2012, 12:20 pm
that fainga chappie is the most out of condition player i have seen for the aussies since morgan turunui.
7 Sep 2012, 12:38 pm
@rangerman-5: rubbish!
2 words
FAT DUNNING!!
7 Sep 2012, 12:44 pm
@Transformation-6:
i forgot about matt “stretcher” donut
but you gotta admit, morgan carried a lot of weight for an international center whereas donut could be excused as he played in an age of an incredibly weak aussie pack and he was after all one of the upfront fatties.
7 Sep 2012, 12:52 pm
@Transformation-6: @rangerman-7: Fukkit, there is a blast from the past
I will never forget the try Dunning scroed against the Stormers (I think, back in his heyheyheyday)….ran the entire length of the field….then collapsed.
Will never forget the look of fear on he and Sheperdson’s (I think…) faces everytime a scrum was called….Vickery and Sheridan would smirk.
Fond memories
7 Sep 2012, 12:53 pm
JdV has aquired one of the basic skills of Bok captain very quickly:
Overstating the obvious!
7 Sep 2012, 12:53 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-8: Ooops, was referring to the England/Aussie QF in RWC 2007…a classic match up
7 Sep 2012, 12:55 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-10: eina that was hectic.
7 Sep 2012, 13:05 pm
@rangerman-5: Was that a typo? Did you mean “out of conditioner”?
7 Sep 2012, 13:08 pm
Lol… You have to proof that you are getting old and slow and that morne is plain k@k and that krichner is solid but have no flair and that heineke is going to see his g@t!!!
7 Sep 2012, 13:09 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-8:
ja matt donut was good for lekker mirth…
7 Sep 2012, 13:10 pm
@Beast-3: Big difference here is that Heyneke’s going backwards…..just like Divvy…..but for different reasons.
Diffpipe was a moron that inherited a world cup winning team….but had no idea how to use it.
Heyneke is obsessed with large players, a dumb outdated gameplan and is too obstinate to see it.
Jake White inherited a broken dispirited team after a whole bunch of ******* destroyed them and methodically built them back up into the no.1 team in the world.
I personally don’t think Heyneke Meyer is capable of doing this. We often see players like Wynand Ollivier look wonderful at Super15 Level…..but can’t cut it at international level. I fear Heyneke may fall into that mould. Very astute Super15 coach……but I don’t know if he can handle sitting at the big boys table?
Only time will tell……….
7 Sep 2012, 13:11 pm
Really??? You can’t say m.orons on this site???
7 Sep 2012, 13:13 pm
I love the boks, but persistence with this damn kick and chase rugby will cost them and result in their first loss under Heineke…..the first of many if they don’t catch a wake-up and revise that gameplan of theirs.
7 Sep 2012, 13:13 pm
Wouldn’t read too much into it,but it sounds almost like Jean is making excuses before the inevitable defeat,I’m sure tho’ the Boks will give everything on the field,wether that’s good enough we will have to wait and see.
7 Sep 2012, 13:20 pm
Test
Moron (m oron)
Moronic (m oronic)
Moronification (m oronification)
7 Sep 2012, 13:21 pm
But cant say morons (m orons)
7 Sep 2012, 13:21 pm
Guess only some can…oi
7 Sep 2012, 13:22 pm
There is a distinct difference between the boks and the all blacks. Other than the fact that the all blacks actually win 80% of all their games…….they PLAY rugby.
I watched an interview with Naas Botha last night (jeez does he have a chip on his shoulder, more like a plank) . We as the South African rugby fraternity have been obsessed with kicking since back then (early 80′s). No b l o o d y wonder. Only Nick Mallet’s team have deviated from this NORM.
Can anyone shed some light on why the boks can’t adopt another style of play? Always reverting to the same old rugby year after year….no matter who the coach is.
7 Sep 2012, 13:22 pm
@hanneslom-21: Damn….how’d you do that? LOL
7 Sep 2012, 13:23 pm
I can only come to the conclusions that I said something else?
How bout fuckwits….can we say that?
7 Sep 2012, 13:23 pm
@Transformation-14: Matt Dunning and Owen FilthyFinegan
2 of my Aussie hall of famers…
7 Sep 2012, 13:23 pm
HEY…….we can!! LOL
7 Sep 2012, 13:24 pm
@CT Shark-16:
no its mormon
you said mormons
7 Sep 2012, 13:24 pm
@hanneslom-21: They have a complicated algorithm that determines (with about 70% accuracy) whether the word was directed at keo, WP or any current HSM clients or business partners. It bans it in these cases.
7 Sep 2012, 13:25 pm
morons
7 Sep 2012, 13:26 pm
@logie_Jumpbuck-22: Ja, you’re right.
“Ek speel so want my pa het my so gewys.”
And so it continues…
Seems like they can’t adapt.
7 Sep 2012, 13:27 pm
moreons
7 Sep 2012, 13:27 pm
@logie_Jumpbuck-22: Fear of change I guess?
The level of coaching in this country has also been pretty sucky for I don’t know how long….and for some or other reason we’re totally obsessed with size….eg Jacques Potgieter over Keegan Daniel….
The problem is…..I think…..that the coaches over here aren’t the brightest…..and what worked 10 – 20 years is still believed to work now…..we don’t think too quickly or do much out of the box thinking. Lets face it…..Jakes “rush defense” was the most innovative thing we’ve done since 1995…..
7 Sep 2012, 13:27 pm
Keo is n doos (test)
7 Sep 2012, 13:28 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-27: LOL….nah…can’t be that wasn’t moderated…..
7 Sep 2012, 13:28 pm
@hanneslom-33: HEY…..you passed the “test”!!!! LOL
7 Sep 2012, 13:30 pm
@hanneslom-33:
lmao
@CT Shark-34:
ok, so mormons didn’t destroy the boks then…?…
7 Sep 2012, 13:32 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-30: @CT Shark-32: Because the rest of the rugby world is correct when they say we are thick as sh y te when it comes to rugby?
All goes back to a conservative national psyche, Calvinisticfuckingtendencies killing rugby.
7 Sep 2012, 13:34 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-37:
nah
i’m pretty sure its the mormons
7 Sep 2012, 13:35 pm
@Spiesisworthless1-2: And they miss Spies because he always draws in more than the normal pound of flesh.
7 Sep 2012, 13:35 pm
what are the kiwis?
7 Sep 2012, 13:35 pm
kiwi mormons
kormons…
never trust a kormon
7 Sep 2012, 13:36 pm
and to any mormons reading this
i’m kidding
7 Sep 2012, 13:37 pm
@jacquesknotter-39:
seriously?
more than a normal pound of flesh?
seriously?
7 Sep 2012, 13:38 pm
moron mormons
7 Sep 2012, 13:38 pm
multiple marriage morn mormons
7 Sep 2012, 13:39 pm
mysogynistic male multiple marriage moron mormons
7 Sep 2012, 13:39 pm
@rangerman-7: Turunui DID look out of shape but yhell he could still run and step!
7 Sep 2012, 13:40 pm
@rangerman-45:
mutliple marriage masters are the mormons
7 Sep 2012, 13:41 pm
mysogynistic male multiple marriage moron mormons mystify morne
7 Sep 2012, 13:41 pm
@logie_Jumpbuck-22: To get results in the short-term, rather than possibly a few losses while we play the sort of rugby that Boks are capable of – and USED To play.
Think of Harry Viljoen not allowing the Boks to kick for 73 mins against Argies. Everyone went crazy, but hist last game (or Mallet’s first?) they beat Oz like 66-22 or something. Then Mallet took it to new heights.
We must also remember you have to have:
- The players capable of that kinda game (eg. Mallet had Honiball running the backline)
- Coaching staff that can successfully coach and implement that
- The Official rules at that time to suit that style of game
- Supporters with patience for it and supporting the team change
- a Union that will support a coach and not knee-jerk sack him (this is NOT SARU izzit?)
- The cycle of changing coaches every 4 years does not allow any continuity and not enough time to build the team properly (esp. with injuries to key players)
Heyneke re-built the Bulls on Big Forward dominance, kicking the opponents back, awesome lineout, and barging over for a try (Im generalising, but you know what I mean).
Harry shouldve had longer
Mallet shouldve been coach for MUCH longer
Jake shouldve stayed longer, and PDiv shouldve had a chance to stay on longer.
Although I dont begrudge HM at all – he probably shouldve been coach in 2007/8 – to coach those Bulls players he trained while they were in their prime… but once you have a coach, they should get some more time to achieve their plans.
Woodward had 8 years (as I recall?)
Henry – 8 years
7 Sep 2012, 13:41 pm
@bokfan1-47: yes he could, built up a nice head of steam when he got going.
7 Sep 2012, 13:41 pm
multiple marriage mormon masters are mysoginistic.
7 Sep 2012, 13:43 pm
@bokfan1-50:
“Heyneke re-built the Bulls on Big Forward dominance, kicking the opponents back, awesome lineout, and barging over for a try ”
are you generalising?
what do you mean?
7 Sep 2012, 13:43 pm
@bokfan1-50: that is a long post.
must have taken you time.
i agree or disagree with everything you said depending on how far i can read befor my brain starts aching and i have to have a lie down.
7 Sep 2012, 13:44 pm
only a moron thinks the multiple marriage mormon masters are mysoginistic
7 Sep 2012, 13:44 pm
if an opponent kicks me, i kick back.
thats how i roll.
7 Sep 2012, 13:45 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-55:
i think its clear moron is not a swear word at hsm.
7 Sep 2012, 13:47 pm
ok i am out.
have a good weekend crackers.
7 Sep 2012, 13:48 pm
@rangerman-58:
mormon high five
7 Sep 2012, 13:49 pm
@rangerman-58:
cheers
7 Sep 2012, 13:50 pm
@CT Shark-32: Exactly!
7 Sep 2012, 13:58 pm
@bokfan1-50: I agree with you. I also want to add that I do not want the boks to copy the All Blacks, but the coaching team should be intelegent enough to adjust our gameplan and style of play to the current rules and regulations, including the modern game defensive systems.
It’s demorolizing to see our poor guys running head first into 3 defenders waiting with baited breath while we all know that they can do much better than that!
I maintain, it’s no surprise that the 2 south african super rugby teams playing great running rugga are coached by Kiwi’s. (sharks and lions) At least the Cheetahs gave it a go, until they lost their flyhalf.
7 Sep 2012, 13:59 pm
Test 2: keo is a vars weskusplaas pletterpoes (test)
7 Sep 2012, 14:00 pm
Test 3: keo is a bosmossel (test)
7 Sep 2012, 14:01 pm
Freedom of speech is underrated hey
7 Sep 2012, 14:13 pm
JdV is not sounding confident, lets hope Oz have a shocker and make it easy for Boks to punt their way to victory .. maybe with some more confidence we will inovate our play.
What the hell is Loubscher doing as backline coach ? who the hell is coaching the fwds ? I thought D*ck Muir was awful but this seems worse.
We need to beg back JFourie and get some input from FdP (like VM)
7 Sep 2012, 14:32 pm
@Doughnut-66: johan van graan, the blue bulls CEO’s family is the Forwards/Attack coach
7 Sep 2012, 14:38 pm
@Doughnut-66: No one else was available thanks to SARU taking their time appointing Meyer, remember.
7 Sep 2012, 14:41 pm
This test against da Wallybangers is a must-win…….if we win, we will at least take some confidence into the ABs game and may “only” lose by 30 next Sat.
If they don’t find some divine intervention or inspiration, we can say Kadish for the Boks tomorrow pm………
7 Sep 2012, 15:00 pm
@Doughnut-66: jdv takes his cues from Meyer, if the coach is talking up the wallabies the cappie can’t come thru on some “we’re going to blitz” them!
7 Sep 2012, 15:19 pm
Its a bit casual the set up, would love to see Wayne Smith hired but I guess “politics” sees Loubsher there. As for van Graan never heard of him .. another brother in the system i guess .. we really could catch a break with Coaches !
7 Sep 2012, 15:22 pm
@Doughnut-71: why is loubscher politics but van graan & mcfarland something else?
they all come from the bulls mos..
7 Sep 2012, 15:23 pm
Condom Factory burns down in New Zealand.
Prime Minister of New Zealand, is awoken at 4am by the telephone.
Premier, its the health Minister here. Sorry to bother you at this hour but
there is an emergency!!! I’ve just received word that the Durex factory in New
Zealand has burned to the ground. It is estimated that the entire New Zealand
supply of condoms will be gone by the end of the week!
PM: ‘SH*T!!! – the economy will never be able to cope with all those unwanted
babies – we’ll be ruined!!’
Health Minister: ‘We’re going to have to ship some in from….Britain?’
PM: ‘No chance!! The Poms will have a field day on this one!!’
Health Minister: ‘What about South Africa ?’
PM: ‘I’ll call SA – tell them we need ten million condoms; ten inches long and
eight inches thick!! That way they’ll continue to RESPECT the All Blacks!’
Three days later a delighted Health Minister rushes out to open the boxes.
He finds ten million condoms, 10 inches long, 8 inches thick, all coloured
green and gold with small writing on each one…
MADE IN South Africa
Size: SMALL
7 Sep 2012, 15:35 pm
@Transformation-72:
Well you think he might have picked slaptjips.
7 Sep 2012, 15:46 pm
@gunther-74:
Leave that to Thelo Wakefield.
7 Sep 2012, 15:48 pm
@gunther-74: Freedom of speech
Don’t follow in footsteps of Zuma or state, pupils urged
07 September 2012
Mkhululi Ndamase
UNIVERSITY of the Free State vice-chancellor Professor Jonathan Jansen has urged Nelson Mandela Bay pupils not to be like President Jacob Zuma and incompetent government officials.
“Guys, I know it is difficult being you because you live in a country where the most important people in the country do not know how to keep their zips up,” he told a group of high school pupils yesterday.
“The only way out of poverty is through education, not through the ANC and not through connections. “Girls, respect your bodies. First get a degree, then get pregnant. The boys will run away when they find out that you are pregnant. Protect yourselves at all times.”
Jansen was invited by former Uitenhage High School pupil Ghauderen Coetzee-De Vos, who wrote a chapter in his book, Great South African Teachers, to motivate pupils ahead of their final exams.
Hundreds of pupils from David Livingstone Senior Secondary School in Schauderville, Port Elizabeth and Uitenhage’s McCarthy Comprehensive and John Walton schools also attended the motivational talk held at the Uitenhage High School.
Before moving on to the serious stuff, Jansen showed pupils another side of his personality – that of comedian.
“I am happy to be in Uitenhage where there are more cars than people.
“Before coming here I had never heard of Uitenhage High, so I googled it. It said Uitenhage High was the best school in South Africa after David Livingstone,” he said to loud applause from the pupils.
“This was the coldest winter. It is believed it was so cold that the president was sleeping with his own wives to keep warm.”
After the ice was broken, he got down to business.
“I grew up on the Cape Flats where I was raised by very religious parents, Abraham and Sarah.
“They saved me from being like my peers who were drinking alcohol and ended up in jail – they taught me the value of education,” Jansen said.
He said he was the worst performing student in primary school.
“When I got to Std 8 [Grade 10], my teacher told me I was pretending to be stupid and that I had potential. “From that day onwards, I never came second in my class in South Africa and in America. That day changed my life. “My daughter is deaf in one ear and we never told her about the deaf ear. We always told her what she can do, not what she cannot do. “You are smarter than you think. Do not let anyone tell you what you cannot do. “Do not be like the incompetent people who run this province – do not be like the government,” Jansen said.
He said when Oprah Winfrey was at his university last year, they had spent 30 minutes alone chatting.
“I asked her how she had managed to be one of the richest women in the world after she was molested as a child by her stepfather and was a teenage prostitute.
“Her answer was simple. She said in her Chicago accent, ‘Jonathan, when they gave me a chance for education I said Oprah do not mess it up’. “If you think you have problems, think about what Oprah went through growing up in a racist Mississippi where men were lynched and still accomplished what she accomplished.”
Grade 12 pupil Darrel George, 17, said Jansen motivated him. “The fact that he brought up some personal experience is good. Sometimes we do need to be motivated because we cannot always motivate ourselves. He was very motivating and I enjoyed it,” he said. Anita Nokhetshe, 19, also a Grade 12 pupil, said: “It was very inspirational, especially the way he did it with laughter. “It is good to hear something nice instead of being told what you cannot do.”
School principal Timothy Heynes said the school was honoured to have Jansen motivating pupils in a fun way.
Coetzee-De Vos said Jansen was the most relevant person in the higher education system to motivate pupils.
7 Sep 2012, 15:49 pm
@gunther-74: rossouw knows he is not bok material
7 Sep 2012, 15:55 pm
@Transformation-77:
Who told him that?
Slaptjips is a genius.
7 Sep 2012, 15:59 pm
@Transformation-76:
Quite right.
Most sensible people can see that the ANC has become poisonous.
It is only a matter of time before the rotting carcass turns into a ZANU clone.
7 Sep 2012, 16:00 pm
Ooh…your’e speaking about Pieter Rossouw…..(wink)
7 Sep 2012, 16:02 pm
@Transformation-77:
Slaptjips is the only reason why the Bulls score any backline tries at all.
7 Sep 2012, 16:02 pm
@TooMuchRugby-75:
Very good.
I am noticing a steady improvement in your vibe.
Keep it up.
7 Sep 2012, 16:07 pm
@gunther-82:
Thank you Herr Doctor
Can I get of the couch now?
7 Sep 2012, 16:16 pm
@TooMuchRugby-83:
Slowly.
In case you pull something.
7 Sep 2012, 16:35 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-53: Bakkies – Ek bedoel ek veralgemeen dat al hulle driee was gedruk deur voorspelers en Bulle het nie agterlyn spel gebruik nie.
Maar – veral in die begin van die herbouing – was dit die mag van die pak wat priorieteit was – en hoekom nie as jy Bakkies, Matfield, Russow, Gary, Chili, ens. (ek kan ie die stutte onthou nie – Richard Bands?)
7 Sep 2012, 16:35 pm
@logie_Jumpbuck-62:
Not anymore
7 Sep 2012, 16:36 pm
@rangerman-54: Hahahaha, no didnt take long at all – I ponder these things a lot and it just flows out
You dont have to disagree, just agree with it
7 Sep 2012, 16:46 pm
@logie_Jumpbuck-62: Thanks Logie, and I agree with you too – I dont want us to be “copying” anyone – least of all the smelly ABs!
Jeez – the Boks WERE the trend-setters for 100 years – they followed US, and so it should be! SA perfected the 8 man scrum for example!
It kills me to see the terrible running too – in the last game the Bok backline did virtually the EXACT same thing every time – its madness! There is no inciciveness or imagination – and no one can tell me we dont have the players to play like that – WE DO!
Example – I think the first offload was Frans to JdV in the 82nd minute – which led to Jean losing it and a turnover
But – as we all know – the pack must “set the platform” for the backs. The pack is currently very inexperienced and not dominant. On top of which a senior player like Bekker had a shocker (by his own high standards).
Thats is what White did so well – fix the forwards.
That is what Mallet did – amazing pack – Venter, Labuschagne, Teichmann, Andrews, Rassie, Os, Chris Russow, Pagel, Kempson, Tommy Laubsher, Skinstad (at the end).
And how good did those Bok backlines look?
7 Sep 2012, 16:46 pm
@hanneslom-64: Hahahaha
7 Sep 2012, 16:50 pm
Still keen to see if Vermeulen has the pace to keep up at International level with a running side like the Wallabies.
7 Sep 2012, 16:51 pm
@bokfan1-88:
“Jeez – the Boks WERE the trend-setters for 100 years ………”
Neutral Refs soon put a stop to that shiit Fanny.
7 Sep 2012, 16:53 pm
@CT Shark-15: JISSSSSSSSSSSUS! You are that typical Springbok “fan” who is too opinionated and too ignorant to know it!
While I agree 100% on how Jake turned the Boks around – and I wish he couldve stayed as coach for another 4 years, please dont come here and talk kuk about PDiv or HM when you dont know niks.
From some of your other posts on this site, I can see exactly the kind of “supporter” you are. Heyneke and PDiv are both brilliant coaches. PDiv did LOTS of good with the Boks, and HM will still go on to do many great things.
7 Sep 2012, 17:00 pm
Watch our guys! The trolls are under the bridge just waiting to post STUPID comments to try and provoke.
Dont feed the trolls
7 Sep 2012, 17:09 pm
@bokfan1-93:
We don’t fuuk about under any bridges Fanny.
This is keo.dot.comedy.
We are all stand up boys and girls.
7 Sep 2012, 18:32 pm
Point to prove – but not tomorrow – HM needs to adapt his Rugby thinking”! and expand the game plan.
How can he be so one sited, if the rest of the world can see it.. and the worse thing is when they don’t succeed in the game plan there is no fallback. Look at the Bull’s when the sharks started bullying them they crumbled… When Argies bullied SA we had no Idea what to do. But to beat Aus you need to destroy them at the scrums, when they are on the backfoot they make countless error, and explode.. That’s exactly how Ireland beat them in the WC dominated them from the front…. Think the same for the Kiwis – I just wish we could have played them in the WC – think that would have written a different storey all together.
7 Sep 2012, 18:46 pm
@bokfan,would you care to mention a few good things that Pdivvy did for the Boks? He was gifted a masterclass team from Jake White, and got no real results out. However, I must agree with you on HM, I too believe he will do great things with the Boks, he just needs to hit his head a few times to realise he needs to make some changes.
7 Sep 2012, 18:55 pm
Some easy wins for the Springboks include the following moves:
1) offloads in the tackle – If we practise this week in and week out in training and in games, we will learn when to offload and when not to. Healthy offloading is the cornerstone of any good attacking team.
2) Inside ball – if our backline is moving the ball through the hands, it can often catch an opposition off guard for someone to run against the grain and take the inside ball.
3) Variety from our flyhalf – this will make our flyhalf more difficult to predict and will mean that oppositions will have a harder time preparing for us. As it currently stands, we are one of the easiest teams in the world to prepare for, because we are so one-dimensional and predictable.
4) Variety in our game plan – same reasons as above. There is nothing wrong with the kick chase game plan, except for the fact that it’s the only game plan we have. A one size fits all approach is not the approach of a world class team. To be the best, we should have a few more tricks up our sleeve. There is a time to use kick chase and a time to use other tactics.
5) A fetcher – self-explanatory as to why we need this.
6) Pressure defense – We are a young-ish team at the moment and there are a lot of guys in a green jersey who, although talented, have been a teensy bit outmuscled and schooled by more experienced opponents. The Argies as an example schooled our forwards at the breakdown in Mendoza. Let’s turn things around and put the pressure on the opposition. When we don’t have the ball, this is a perfect opportunity to make life difficult for the opposition. Let’s throw our forwards all over them and force them into mistakes. Rush defense combined with drift defense. Aggressive D is one of the quickest wins we can get.
7) Competing at the lineout – why not?
8) With all this talk about playing a kicking game, we have on too many occassions put pressure on ourselves by kicking down the oppositions throat and letting them counter attack… How about we try finding touch?
9) Guys like Quade Cooper and Sonny Bill Williams are going to throw offloads. Guaranteed. Let’s be aware of that in advance and have JDV or Habana (or anyone for that matter) hanging nearby when the tackle is made. When the offload eventually comes, go for the intercept… If they don’t throw an offload, then at least we have found a way to stop them offloading.
There are many many more tactics than kick and chase. Above are only a few that I would expect from my Springboks.
7 Sep 2012, 19:05 pm
@kaizan very well summed up!
7 Sep 2012, 19:27 pm
@bokfan1-85:
lmga (lag my gat af)
****** snaaks bok… ****** snaaks
rayno gerber, gurthro steenkamp, danie thiart en jaco engels was die bulls se stutte in 2007 toe hulle die reds, crusaders en tjarks deurmekaar geloop het. bands het al lank voor dit by die bulls klaar gemaak, miskien in 2004 of 2005 al.
ag goie tuie, goie tuie…
7 Sep 2012, 19:28 pm
JW win ratio vs NZ – home and away
Played 9
Wins 3 33.3%
Losses 6 66.7%
PdV win ratio vs NZ – home and away
Played 11
Wins 5 45.5%
Losses 6 54.5%
JW win ratio vs France home and away
Played 4
Wins 1 25.0%
Losses 2 50.0%
Draws 1 25.0%
PdV win ratio vs France home and away
Played 2
Wins 1 50.0%
Losses 1 50.0%
JW win ratio vs Home Unions Eoyt
Played 10
Wins 5 50.0%
Losses 5 50.0%
PdV win ratio vs Home Unions Eoyt
Played 10
Wins 7 70.0%
Losses 3 30.0%
JW away wins vs Ireland
Played 2
Wins 0
Losses 2 100.0%
PdV away wins vs Ireland
Played 2
Wins 1 50.0%
Losses 1 50.0%
JW away wins vs England (Eoyt)
Played 3
Wins 1 33.3%
Losses 2 66.7%
PdV away wins vs England (Eoyt)
Played 2
Wins 2 100.0%
Losses 0
JW win ratio vs Wales home & away
Played 3
Wins 3 100.0%
PdV win ratio vs Wales home & away
Played 6
Wins 6 100.0%
PdV win ratio vs Br-Ir. Lions
Played 3
Wins 2 66.7%
Losses 1 33.3%
JW win ratio vs Australia (3N)
Played 11
Wins 6 54.5%
Losses 5 45.5%
PdV win ratio vs Australia (3N)
Played 11
Wins 4 36.4%
Losses 7 63.6%
So the Stats prove that APART from vs Australia every other first tier rugby nation PdV has a BETTER win / loss ratio to JW
Only difference is JW waltzed a no contest gimme WC against nobody teams such as 7th rank England and 6th rank Argy
and PdV was put out the quarter finals against 2nd rank Australia by 2 lucky packet points and a one eyed ref.
Fundamentally speaking PdV was a FAR better coach than JW except nobody wanna ever believe it.
7 Sep 2012, 19:32 pm
@bokfan1-88:
trendsetters ja, dont forget lifting in the lineout
7 Sep 2012, 19:36 pm
Post it again with a hyphen so you can read the reality a little better before you deduce who’s the bees knees of rugby coaches and who ain’t
JW win ratio vs NZ – home and away (3N)
Played 9
Wins 3 – 33.3%
Losses 6 - 66.7%
PdV win ratio vs NZ – home and away (3N)
Played 11
Wins 5 - 45.5%
Losses 6 - 54.5%
JW win ratio vs Australia (3N)
Played 11
Wins 6 - 54.5%
Losses 5 - 45.5%
PdV win ratio vs Australia (3N)
Played 11
Wins 4 - 36.4%
Losses 7 - 63.6%
JW win ratio vs France home and away
Played 4
Wins 1 - 25.0%
Losses 2 - 50.0%
Draws 1 - 25.0%
PdV win ratio vs France home and away
Played 2
Wins 1 - 50.0%
Losses 1 - 50.0%
JW win ratio vs Home Unions Eoyt
Played 10
Wins 5 - 50.0%
Losses 5 - 50.0%
PdV win ratio vs Home Unions Eoyt
Played 10
Wins 7 - 70.0%
Losses 3 - 30.0%
JW away wins vs Ireland
Played 2
Wins 0
Losses 2 - 100.0%
PdV away wins vs Ireland
Played 2
Wins 1 - 50.0%
Losses 1 - 50.0%
JW away wins vs England (Eoyt)
Played 3
Wins 1 - 33.3%
Losses 2 - 66.7%
PdV away wins vs England (Eoyt)
Played 2
Wins 2 - 100.0%
Losses 0
JW win ratio vs Wales home & away
Played 3
Wins 3 - 100.0%
PdV win ratio vs Wales home & away
Played 6
Wins 6 - 100.0%
PdV win ratio vs Br-Ir. Lions
Played 3
Wins 2 - 66.7%
Losses 1 - 33.3%
7 Sep 2012, 20:17 pm
Nothing like Kaptein Donkey stating the obvious…
Farken clown…
Leader my foot.
7 Sep 2012, 20:21 pm
yeah little Keegy Danny boy.. now THERE’s a goddamn leader for you .. like you gonna follow a will o the wisp little dandelion all the way into war…
7 Sep 2012, 20:23 pm
I reckon besides King Heyneke having a distinct lack of imagination in the selection stakes, half the problem with the Boks is a distinct lack of leadership on field… Whether that leadership is actually suppressed or whether true leadership ability is lacking from the Captain of the moment, I reckon the latter is why this is actually missing from the Boks on field and is a big factor in underperformance…
As nice a guy Donkey might be… he is no real leader.
7 Sep 2012, 20:26 pm
@fitz1ella-104: Follow will o the wisp over Blondie the ex Munster Clown any day of the week…
And I reckon most of the Boks would too if it really came to the wire…
Fact is, Kaptein Donkey does not inspire.
7 Sep 2012, 20:41 pm
Like that fatfunk self righteous useless punk who LOST the following games he ‘led’ Boks in the last 2 whole years of his IMMACULATE leadership…
13 Nov 2009 AI - South Africa v France 13-20
28 Nov 2009 AI - South Africa v Ireland 10-15
10 Jul 2010 3N – South Africa v New Zealand 12-32
17 Jul 2010 3N – South Africa v New Zealand 17-31
24 Jul 2010 3N – South Africa v Australia 13-30
21 Aug 2010 3N – South Africa v New Zealand 22-29
28 Aug 2010 3N – South Africa v Australia 44-31
04 Sep 2010 3N – South Africa v Australia 39-41
23 Jul 2011 3N – South Africa v Australia 20-39
30 Jul 2011 3N – South Africa v New Zealand 7-40
13 Aug 2011 3N – South Africa v Australia 9-14
Played - 11
Wins - 1 - 9.1%
Losses - 10 - 90.9%
Now THAT is world class LEADERSHIP for you
If JdV EVER returns such abysmal f’ng HOPELESS leadership capacity I will be the FIRST to scream blue murder for his Hopeless Head..
7 Sep 2012, 20:51 pm
@fitz1ella-107:
Heres a simple equation:
Tricky Dicky + Goldilocks + Dippy = Farken Madness
Yup… Smitty could only do so much… and he did as much as he could… Nearly superhuman leadership. If it wasn’t for him then there would have been far more funnies than those you have listed…
By far… Smitty was the difference between Dippy and Co being average, and farken downright historical flops…
7 Sep 2012, 22:26 pm
@katman-28:
ha ha 
Mr ***** =^. ^= Katman… Every so often when I’m on the road and not logged in some1 comes up with pure comedy gold.. I heard the developer keo paid off to code them calls them “Keorythums”
7 Sep 2012, 22:28 pm
And ‘WeepArythums” respectively, deul algorithms..
7 Sep 2012, 22:44 pm
Time for a late night pizza and some rugby replays.. May even watch couple has of the last round starting with Kiwis vs Auz don’t think can watch Boks last game again 1 and a half times was more than enough :O let’s hope Jean was not bedding a cover to cushion any potential fall and Boks come out firing! Hopefully Heynek will do some of the real talking tomorrow if the new changes and bench get used right..
8 Sep 2012, 08:09 am
The comments from the Bok captain seem a tad too nice…..fire and brimstone….go out there on a mission to destroy….talk it up.
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